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Concerning your updated testing and the PQ EOTF curve was these adjustments in calibration only or were there user menu settings used that can fix the PQ EOTF? What brightness levels did you get once this was done with HDR and a 10% window? Your D65 brightness is unheard of beating measurements of this display taken in Vivid mode. Most D65 brightness levels have maxed around 3500 nits from reviews.
The issue I have with those monitors is the limited warranty. You are getting a high price monitor and won't even get any replacement any true free repair (shipping costs, extra possible defects might be found, etc), for a piece of equipment most of us will want to have for at least a decade.
Just got the qm8 98" the other day, got it from bb for 4k when they had it on sale, well worth it imo, the tv looks amazing and for that price it is a no brainer.
Everyday you wake up to the brightest most impressive 98" in the world. Is a good day. Put on the first 10 minutes of Bad Boys: Ride or Die in Dolby Vision. Be prepared to be blown away.
How's the motion handling and blooming? I'm debating on getting this in 75 and 98 inches. Have only owned LG OLED's, and the burn in over time from static images sucks 😂 I'm done with OLED's. The Sony Bravia B9 is too damn expensive 😂. Any issues over 25hz like judder or screen tearing etc.
Qm8 molly whops U8N and yes they have similar specs but U8n doesn't utilize it. Qm8 rivals the Samsung S95D with quantum tv’s settings. (yes everyone hates him but his settings and calibrations are god tier).
Thanks for mentioning vrr flicker. I have a u8k and it’s an excellent tv minus the vrr flicker which makes it nearly useless for gaming. Black smearing is also an issue and because of it I think va panels will never come close to oled in gaming.
Have you received the new pg32ucdp for review? If it wasn't for the partial matte coating it looks like it might finally be true endgame gaming monitor (for single player and fps games) and higher hdr brightness than normal for WOLED.
@@thedisplayguy TV Showdown of the year. What I really want to see in the U8N vs QM8 comparison is the perceived brightness of a starfield pattern: ruclips.net/video/PMJiHJoE0L8/видео.html If you're getting the 75" U8N it becomes particularly interesting when according to RTINGS the 75" U8N has an ADS Pro panel (IPS type) vs. the 65" with VA, and in this case I would personally recommend the 65" U8N over the 75" U8N because I consider native contrast just as important as dimming zones, and reportedly the 65" U8N has the highest native contrast of any LCD ever tested.
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I have the qm851g, 65inch. When set to IMAX Picture Mode, I notice some motion stuttering. Anybody else having this issue or did I receive a defective one?
I'd love a mini led TV, but holy shit they are almost all too big for a desk setup or too expensive. I feel like we should have mini leds competing at the 42" size competing with the LG C series but we kind of just don't.
It is a real shame they won't even make this display in 55". What's more it's a common trend among Mini-LED TVs to make the 55" version really crappy with often half the dimming zones you'd find at 65" or 75". Which is super annoying when I'd gladly pay the same price for the same specs just at a smaller size.
@@budthecyborg4575 Yeah. It’s like the mid size miniledTVs get disproportionately shafted. It ends up being a sort of awkward middle ground where it they don’t have the dimming zones, or the response times to compete with OLED. I can sacrifice the response times for exceptional HDR performance, but you only really get that on the bigger screens.
I game on a 43' qn90b, it has around 400 zones, but the HDR is great, the main drawback is that its 400nits on 2% windows, but then it is 800/1000 for 10% up until 50% at 800 and 100% at 600. Since it has that low brightness on smaller highlights, it doesn't produce very noticeable blooming. I think it can compete with Oled in some aspects, it looks better on bright scenes and worse on dark ones. I have been eyeing oleds for a time but the brightness specs in bigger windows currently don't cut it for me. Also, of course pixel response time is superior on oled as well, but having temporal ghosting and blur in games kind of kills the advantages of the lower response times. Edit: got it used at 400bucks, so pretty good deal.
@@tomaspla4252 After buying an 1,100nits PC monitor and comparing with my OLED it's surprising how much brighter the 800nits OLED appears in many scenes. Even though RTINGS records the same 2% window brightness between the LG C1 and INNOCN27M2V monitor, the LG C1 obviously produces specular highlights much better than the 1,152 zone IPS type LCD monitor. LCD FALD is great if you need to pump out a lot of light but I almost always prefer the OLED.
Would love to see your comparison of this to the Hisense U8N. My local Best Buy has only the QM751G on display, NO QM851G, which is so dumb. The Hisense U8N on display however looks incredible with great blacks, glossy screen and I think no rainbow effect on the reflections.
No. End of video. I have top Mini-LEDs, Mid Budget Mini-LEDs, Top OLEDs/QD-OLEDs and Mid Budget OLEDs. The answer is NO. Stop with ABL BS. The only thing Mini-LEDs have at certain levels is Brightness. OLEDs have gone closer to the brightness level in 2024. Stop with any burn in BS as well. Price is the only reason one would buy a Mini-LEDs LCD TV. We are not talking about Micro-LED. The goal is to get near the Sony HX310 reference monitor with it's image quality and 1000nits on a 100% window. (Not a 10% window)
It doesn't matter how bright a TV can get if the source material is only graded in 1000 nits. Most movies these days are only graded at that, same with games, so the extra 4000 nits on this TV is wasted (for now anyway) until future movies are graded in 4000 nits such as on Sony's new 4000-nit mastering monitor, then you will get huge benefit from TV's like this TCL but that will be later down the track.
This isn’t necessarily true. If a Mini LED TV does 1000nits full screen vs an OLED which does let’s say 150-250nits than the Mini LED can produce more accurate and brighter high APL scenes.
The dark level motion is trash, I returned mine. I’d rather have IPS glow than dark level smearing at this point. Still, nothing comes close to my LG C3 so far that I’ve tested.
It doesn't have usable brightening leaving it's 5k nits peak brightness pointless for example when a low light scene is displaying with the sun in the corner getting brighter it'll brighten the entire screen VS just on only the sun ☀
It has 4032 dimming zones, it will behave really similar in contrast to OLED, and in your example you'd see that sun far brighter than in the OLED, while you'd have dark parts still dark.
Good job. Excellent review. Well explained，I’d love to discuss a potential collaboration with you. I’ll be sending you an email soon with more details, so please keep an eye out for it. Looking forward to the possibility of working together!
@@EverydayElectronics23 I play Xbox & pc games and I watch 4k content. The processing in the tcl is more than enough. My qm851g looks fantastic and I have two usable hdmi 2.1 inputs. Don't have to sacrifice one to earc.
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Man called these awesome TVs used to cost their upper leg. Now they’re practically giving them away.
Max brightness is overrated.. Accuracy ftw..
Concerning your updated testing and the PQ EOTF curve was these adjustments in calibration only or were there user menu settings used that can fix the PQ EOTF? What brightness levels did you get once this was done with HDR and a 10% window? Your D65 brightness is unheard of beating measurements of this display taken in Vivid mode. Most D65 brightness levels have maxed around 3500 nits from reviews.
The issue I have with those monitors is the limited warranty. You are getting a high price monitor and won't even get any replacement any true free repair (shipping costs, extra possible defects might be found, etc), for a piece of equipment most of us will want to have for at least a decade.
Just got the qm8 98" the other day, got it from bb for 4k when they had it on sale, well worth it imo, the tv looks amazing and for that price it is a no brainer.
Solid purchase man. 77 qd oled doesn't stand a chance against the 98.
Everyday you wake up to the brightest most impressive 98" in the world. Is a good day. Put on the first 10 minutes of Bad Boys: Ride or Die in Dolby Vision. Be prepared to be blown away.
All I have to say is
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How's the motion handling and blooming? I'm debating on getting this in 75 and 98 inches. Have only owned LG OLED's, and the burn in over time from static images sucks 😂 I'm done with OLED's. The Sony Bravia B9 is too damn expensive 😂. Any issues over 25hz like judder or screen tearing etc.
I would love to see a head to head comparison of the TCL QM8 and the Hisense U8N.
Qm8 molly whops U8N and yes they have similar specs but U8n doesn't utilize it. Qm8 rivals the Samsung S95D with quantum tv’s settings. (yes everyone hates him but his settings and calibrations are god tier).
@@heyolorennswhat’s wrong with the u8n, I heard it’s really good except for the 55 inch.
Thanks for mentioning vrr flicker. I have a u8k and it’s an excellent tv minus the vrr flicker which makes it nearly useless for gaming. Black smearing is also an issue and because of it I think va panels will never come close to oled in gaming.
searing my eyeballs with 5000 nits
👏👏👏
You mention slight audio delay. Is that with the on-board audio or external soundbars via eARC? This is something I really need to know.
I am very happy to see this review since RTINGS only reviewed the 65" version, so now we have actual hands-on verification of the zone count at 75".
That's what I was waiting on as well since the 75 inch is what I'll be buying with a 5 yr warranty from Best Buy this Black Friday.
Have you received the new pg32ucdp for review? If it wasn't for the partial matte coating it looks like it might finally be true endgame gaming monitor (for single player and fps games) and higher hdr brightness than normal for WOLED.
I love my last years 85" QM8
HI Is there BAD MACROB-LOCKING 1 Horrible 10 PERFECT ???
Is it better than the hisense u8n
I will be reviewing that next.
@@thedisplayguy thank you
@@thedisplayguy TV Showdown of the year.
What I really want to see in the U8N vs QM8 comparison is the perceived brightness of a starfield pattern: ruclips.net/video/PMJiHJoE0L8/видео.html
If you're getting the 75" U8N it becomes particularly interesting when according to RTINGS the 75" U8N has an ADS Pro panel (IPS type) vs. the 65" with VA, and in this case I would personally recommend the 65" U8N over the 75" U8N because I consider native contrast just as important as dimming zones, and reportedly the 65" U8N has the highest native contrast of any LCD ever tested.
@@budthecyborg4575so ads (pro) is a worse than va?
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Goooood job. Excellent review. Well explained & easily understandable graphs.
Is baldurs gate even a hdr 5000 game?
You'd need a game like God of war with sliders upto 10k
Or SpecialK HDR.
I have the qm851g, 65inch. When set to IMAX Picture Mode, I notice some motion stuttering. Anybody else having this issue or did I receive a defective one?
honestly the only thing where 1000 zone mini led lack behind is Stars in Space
so how can it handle that now that there is 5x the zone count
Yikes, that miniLED vignetting/shadowing is always visible
How does the comparable Hisense 75” compare? U8L I believe.
I'd love a mini led TV, but holy shit they are almost all too big for a desk setup or too expensive. I feel like we should have mini leds competing at the 42" size competing with the LG C series but we kind of just don't.
It is a real shame they won't even make this display in 55".
What's more it's a common trend among Mini-LED TVs to make the 55" version really crappy with often half the dimming zones you'd find at 65" or 75". Which is super annoying when I'd gladly pay the same price for the same specs just at a smaller size.
@@budthecyborg4575 Yeah. It’s like the mid size miniledTVs get disproportionately shafted. It ends up being a sort of awkward middle ground where it they don’t have the dimming zones, or the response times to compete with OLED. I can sacrifice the response times for exceptional HDR performance, but you only really get that on the bigger screens.
I game on a 43' qn90b, it has around 400 zones, but the HDR is great, the main drawback is that its 400nits on 2% windows, but then it is 800/1000 for 10% up until 50% at 800 and 100% at 600.
Since it has that low brightness on smaller highlights, it doesn't produce very noticeable blooming.
I think it can compete with Oled in some aspects, it looks better on bright scenes and worse on dark ones.
I have been eyeing oleds for a time but the brightness specs in bigger windows currently don't cut it for me. Also, of course pixel response time is superior on oled as well, but having temporal ghosting and blur in games kind of kills the advantages of the lower response times.
Edit: got it used at 400bucks, so pretty good deal.
@@tomaspla4252 After buying an 1,100nits PC monitor and comparing with my OLED it's surprising how much brighter the 800nits OLED appears in many scenes.
Even though RTINGS records the same 2% window brightness between the LG C1 and INNOCN27M2V monitor, the LG C1 obviously produces specular highlights much better than the 1,152 zone IPS type LCD monitor.
LCD FALD is great if you need to pump out a lot of light but I almost always prefer the OLED.
Whats's the european model umber or are they the same??
My issue with these tvs is the quality control.
Tcl qc and customer service absolutely sucks
Would love to see your comparison of this to the Hisense U8N. My local Best Buy has only the QM751G on display, NO QM851G, which is so dumb. The Hisense U8N on display however looks incredible with great blacks, glossy screen and I think no rainbow effect on the reflections.
Where is tcl 27r83u review?
we need those zones x 10.
7:03 What about 1080p240Hz though? You said it supported it.
It’s not good.
@@thedisplayguyoh... Sadge. Thanks for answering
@@thedisplayguy unfortunate... but i still would have liked to see the ufo test😁
lets go mini led input lag 18msec when HDR ADAPTIVE sync is on ! And ghosting :D
No. End of video. I have top Mini-LEDs, Mid Budget Mini-LEDs, Top OLEDs/QD-OLEDs and Mid Budget OLEDs. The answer is NO. Stop with ABL BS. The only thing Mini-LEDs have at certain levels is Brightness. OLEDs have gone closer to the brightness level in 2024. Stop with any burn in BS as well. Price is the only reason one would buy a Mini-LEDs LCD TV. We are not talking about Micro-LED. The goal is to get near the Sony HX310 reference monitor with it's image quality and 1000nits on a 100% window. (Not a 10% window)
How come mini led more expensive then qd oleds i dont understand.oled image is the best.only downside brightness sdr.
It doesn't matter how bright a TV can get if the source material is only graded in 1000 nits. Most movies these days are only graded at that, same with games, so the extra 4000 nits on this TV is wasted (for now anyway) until future movies are graded in 4000 nits such as on Sony's new 4000-nit mastering monitor, then you will get huge benefit from TV's like this TCL but that will be later down the track.
This isn’t necessarily true.
If a Mini LED TV does 1000nits full screen vs an OLED which does let’s say 150-250nits than the Mini LED can produce more accurate and brighter high APL scenes.
The dark level motion is trash, I returned mine. I’d rather have IPS glow than dark level smearing at this point. Still, nothing comes close to my LG C3 so far that I’ve tested.
Enjoy your complimentary burn in.
Tcl 27r83u
Good luck getting any warranty from TCL or Hisense 😂
That's why you get the extended warranty from the store or a home electronics warranty from Ausurion.
OLED will always outshine Miniled because of infinite contrast and deep black levels.😊
But wont get as bright and burn in issue ...
Enjoy your complimentary burn in.
Yes in theory it could. But definitely not from TCL
1400 dollars??!! Just get an OLED at that point, I will save up just a bit more to get per pixel dimming
Are there 75" oled at 1400$ ??
@@catalyst9568only 65 inch s90c
75" inch OLED for 1400 bucks that beats this tv is non existent. The Quality and size you get for this price is unbeatable right now with the QM851G
@@catalyst9568 Right now you can get a 77" LG B3 OLED for 1,796
$1400 is cheap ma boy
It doesn't have usable brightening leaving it's 5k nits peak brightness pointless for example when a low light scene is displaying with the sun in the corner getting brighter it'll brighten the entire screen VS just on only the sun ☀
It has 4032 dimming zones, it will behave really similar in contrast to OLED, and in your example you'd see that sun far brighter than in the OLED, while you'd have dark parts still dark.
@@itisabird you can't prove it doesn't do what I said VS just only brightening the entire backlight
@@BIGBASSSAMA_4If you don't like the TV, then just don't buy it. It's that simple.
@@alejandrourbinaalva3740 I'm calling it out for what it is don't have to sugar coat anything it's not Disneyland 😂
@@BIGBASSSAMA_4 RTINGS recorded 161,000:1 contrast with local dimming, of course the FALD is doing its job.
My 83 inch oled has 8,294,400 dimming zone's let that sink in.
Good job. Excellent review. Well explained，I’d love to discuss a potential collaboration with you. I’ll be sending you an email soon with more details, so please keep an eye out for it. Looking forward to the possibility of working together!
This or the Sony Bravia 9?🤔
Bravia 9 for sure
This is significantly cheaper than the Sony one. If money were no object I'd go with the Bravia 9.
How many usuable hdmi 2.1 ports does the Sony have? If one is the earc then it's the qm851g all the way
@@viscious82you forget Sonys processing is top notch and TCL isn’t that good
@@EverydayElectronics23 I play Xbox & pc games and I watch 4k content. The processing in the tcl is more than enough. My qm851g looks fantastic and I have two usable hdmi 2.1 inputs. Don't have to sacrifice one to earc.