Honestly, they seem to be targeting two different markets. One is for someone who wants a commuter style bike, but wants to play on the trails. The other I believe is marketed to someone who wants to get into more hard-core mountain biking, but not completely sure yet and wants to get their feet wet. Kind of difficult to really compare the two. All the same. Thank you for doing it.
If you’re really wanting a mountain bike, the Aventon makes more sense. The mid drive alone sets it apart. The Velotric is a commuter with a mountain bike look. JMO.
Nah, The price difference can be used to upgrade parts and make the Velotric far superior…I’ll take the hub drive over a useless broken mid drive or broken chain..😂
I went with the summit with the intention to upgrade for more trail use and I like to tinker, so far I’m at 2050.00 total after I purchased the Bomber Z2 forks. It I s night and day difference. Now it’s way better for trails and still have the speed for pavement gravel as well!
I also got Bomber forks but I am waiting to do the head to head trail test before I add the new forks. If it would only stop raining long enough for the trails to dry out!
@@richarde1355not at the moment don’t feel the need to. Eventually I may upgrade the group set but the one that comes in the bike pairs well with the hub motor I never feel the need to have more gears. The brakes work really well and no additional brackets are needed to fit them on the new forks I have. Majority of my use is technical single track with some drops and jumps, bike handles it great now.
Scott I have the Summit 1 and have both the rack and fenders installed. No issues on the bike the only downside is that you have to remove the back tire to add the rack, the rack was an easy install. The fit was very good.
Hi Scott, The correct rack has a the side bolts fit on the inside of each of side of the frame and after you remove the tire and pull the 2 plastic plugs on the fender you bolt through the fender and there is an unusual bracket that connects the front of the rack and the fender bolt under the seat a very unusual mounting set up for the rack
@@mrc1436 Yes. I am fully aware how to properly install the fenders and the rack. I even did a video of doing but I never posted it because the rack that was in the Summit 1 Rear Rack box did not fit at all. It wasn't an installation issue. I now believe that they put the wrong rack in the box when they sent it. I'm just happy this was just and isolated incident and they are sending out the correct rack now.
Sorry to hear that, although, it's not an actual emtb. They market it as one but it's more of a city bike that can handle a single track. In my eyes, the Ramblas is real emtb.
One of the advantages of the mid drive motor is being able to have and easily change out different wheels. The Velotric would be an awesome hybrid commuter/mountain bike, but for each different use different tires would be more appropriate. Having an extra set of wheels with different tires would be awesome. The Velotric hub causes a problem. Likewise with fixing a flat. Replacing a rear tube on the Aventon is much easier than on the Velotric. Lastly. tubeless options. A lot easier and less expensive to convert the mid drive (Ramblas) bike to a tubeless setup.
Great content, I am in the same space as most, been following your info and content on both bikes. Seems like a win win either way. Gonna pull the trigger soon..... might wait till the next video . Appreciate you.
Thanks for watching! I hoping to get the video done next weekend as it keeps raining up here and not letting the trails dry before it rains again. It is raining all day today, then 1 day sunny, then 3 more days of constant rain. Mother Nature is making it hard for me to get videos out.
This video HITS THE SPOT I have researched for weeks and finally scratched the Tero 3.0 from the list due to shortcomings @ motor. I feel like I want the Summit, but will outgrow it if I keep getting into more aggressive Single track. The fact I want to driven with my daughter and take it to work makes the summit make sense... anyone else in this conundrum?
If I could have bought the Ramblas for $2399, I would have pulled the trigger - but it's now $2899 with the new tariffs. I found a youtuber that gave me a $300 discount code for the Summit, so at $1699 (with current price of$1999) I went with that. Get the bike next week - hope I made a good decision.
Just note that the Summit is not really an emtb. Instead, its a super fun bike for the city but it is not my first (or even second choice) to put on the mtb trails. Can it survive them? Yeah, but its not what I consider to a be true emtb like the Ramblas. With that said, the Summit is my everyday bike. I leave it at home if I am hitting single track (unless I am doing a video with it).
The Ramblas has power! Love it! Its also a great communter. Ima say the city range is 40-60miles using all modes. If ya use man power and eco mode, you easliy got 70 miles range. 8.5/10
Went to my local dealer to order the summit 1 and now the asking price is $1999. The Ramblas was at a $300 discount the other day. Really disappointed in velotric right now.
Depends on what you plan on using it for. In my opinion, if it mountain biking all the time, maybe the Ramblas but if it's more weekly riding with mountain biking on the weekends, you may be right.
So😂 I can put 1Ks worth of upgrade parts on the Velotric and have a far superior bike to match the price of the Ramblas….Fox kashima from Ebay, Carbon Lite Bike Rims, XT four pot brakes, carbon crankset😂😂😂 Zee derailleur, 8 speed Sram cassette😂
@@scotthardesty Hahaha, I put my foot in my mouth as they start raising the price of the Summit now…I am serious about it. In a place where the 8K full suspension bike is still out of reach and just want a fun fitness machine for getting around everywhere.
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Honestly, they seem to be targeting two different markets. One is for someone who wants a commuter style bike, but wants to play on the trails. The other I believe is marketed to someone who wants to get into more hard-core mountain biking, but not completely sure yet and wants to get their feet wet. Kind of difficult to really compare the two. All the same. Thank you for doing it.
Hahaha. I totally understand.
If you’re really wanting a mountain bike, the Aventon makes more sense. The mid drive alone sets it apart. The Velotric is a commuter with a mountain bike look. JMO.
Thanks for commenting!
Nah, The price difference can be used to upgrade parts and make the Velotric far superior…I’ll take the hub drive over a useless broken mid drive or broken chain..😂
cant wait dude!!!!! I needed this series to decide what bike to get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy to help! Now I just need it stop raining every other day and let the trails dry up so I can get this testing done.
I went with the summit with the intention to upgrade for more trail use and I like to tinker, so far I’m at 2050.00 total after I purchased the Bomber Z2 forks. It I s night and day difference. Now it’s way better for trails and still have the speed for pavement gravel as well!
I also got Bomber forks but I am waiting to do the head to head trail test before I add the new forks. If it would only stop raining long enough for the trails to dry out!
Did you make any changes to the brakes and drivetrain?
@@richarde1355not at the moment don’t feel the need to. Eventually I may upgrade the group set but the one that comes in the bike pairs well with the hub motor I never feel the need to have more gears. The brakes work really well and no additional brackets are needed to fit them on the new forks I have. Majority of my use is technical single track with some drops and jumps, bike handles it great now.
Got ya, Love your videos and your response time to comments is impressive. I am a dealer for both brands and they have been great to deal with overall
Thank you!
Nice t-shirt......where can I find one? Love your videos BTW. You can tell you are having so much fun doing these reviews.
Thanks for watching! I have had this shirt for years, they do not make it anymore. It's from gruntstyle.com
Scott I have the Summit 1 and have both the rack and fenders installed. No issues on the bike the only downside is that you have to remove the back tire to add the rack, the rack was an easy install. The fit was very good.
They must have sent me a different rack. Nothing about mine fit. Good to hear!
Hi Scott,
The correct rack has a the side bolts fit on the inside of each of side of the frame and after you remove the tire and pull the 2 plastic plugs on the fender you bolt through the fender and there is an unusual bracket that connects the front of the rack and the fender bolt under the seat a very unusual mounting set up for the rack
@@mrc1436 Yes. I am fully aware how to properly install the fenders and the rack. I even did a video of doing but I never posted it because the rack that was in the Summit 1 Rear Rack box did not fit at all. It wasn't an installation issue. I now believe that they put the wrong rack in the box when they sent it. I'm just happy this was just and isolated incident and they are sending out the correct rack now.
I look forward to the performance battle!
Now the fun begins!
@@scotthardesty - Yeah...you need to start having some fun out there, huh?? 😉
@@riclevine5983 it’s been raining constantly here.
@@scotthardesty - Awww...what's a little moisture?? You submerged that Aventon once, didn't you??? 😉
UPDATED comment re Summit: Initially had a problem with power on hills, but a firmware update fixed. I can now highly recommend the bike.
Sorry to hear that, although, it's not an actual emtb. They market it as one but it's more of a city bike that can handle a single track. In my eyes, the Ramblas is real emtb.
One of the advantages of the mid drive motor is being able to have and easily change out different wheels. The Velotric would be an awesome hybrid commuter/mountain bike, but for each different use different tires would be more appropriate. Having an extra set of wheels with different tires would be awesome. The Velotric hub causes a problem.
Likewise with fixing a flat. Replacing a rear tube on the Aventon is much easier than on the Velotric.
Lastly. tubeless options. A lot easier and less expensive to convert the mid drive (Ramblas) bike to a tubeless setup.
You are correct! I just set my Ramblas up as tubeless. Video coming soon.
Great content, I am in the same space as most, been following your info and content on both bikes. Seems like a win win either way. Gonna pull the trigger soon..... might wait till the next video . Appreciate you.
Thanks for watching! I hoping to get the video done next weekend as it keeps raining up here and not letting the trails dry before it rains again. It is raining all day today, then 1 day sunny, then 3 more days of constant rain. Mother Nature is making it hard for me to get videos out.
This video HITS THE SPOT I have researched for weeks and finally scratched the Tero 3.0 from the list due to shortcomings @ motor. I feel like I want the Summit, but will outgrow it if I keep getting into more aggressive Single track. The fact I want to driven with my daughter and take it to work makes the summit make sense... anyone else in this conundrum?
I can understand your conundrum. This is why I am doing a series. Stock vs modifications and various scenarios.
If I could have bought the Ramblas for $2399, I would have pulled the trigger - but it's now $2899 with the new tariffs. I found a youtuber that gave me a $300 discount code for the Summit, so at $1699 (with current price of$1999) I went with that. Get the bike next week - hope I made a good decision.
Just note that the Summit is not really an emtb. Instead, its a super fun bike for the city but it is not my first (or even second choice) to put on the mtb trails. Can it survive them? Yeah, but its not what I consider to a be true emtb like the Ramblas. With that said, the Summit is my everyday bike. I leave it at home if I am hitting single track (unless I am doing a video with it).
@@scotthardesty After buying one I certainly agree.
I'm waiting for the showdown! Did Velotric change the brand or type of fork or does the new bike have same fork as the first?
Same fork. We just don’t know if the fork on my original one was faulty. This showdown will let us know.
Exciting matchup! Can't wait to see how the Aventon Ramblas and Velotric Summit compare. We sent you an email, take a look.
Thanks! Will do!
The Ramblas has power! Love it! Its also a great communter. Ima say the city range is 40-60miles using all modes. If ya use man power and eco mode, you easliy got 70 miles range. 8.5/10
I've seen where people have gotten 90+ miles out of this bike on a single charge. The range is crazy!
I want both!
hahahaha... It is nice having both.
Summit - more commuter oriented. Ramblas - more MTB oriented.
Agreed!
What the fender on Ramblas?😊
It's a tiny little thing, but I like it! hahaha
Went to my local dealer to order the summit 1 and now the asking price is $1999. The Ramblas was at a $300 discount the other day. Really disappointed in velotric right now.
Prices on all ebikes raise on Jun 10th from what I am seeing. Buy one of them now before it goes up higher!
@@scotthardestyaren’t new models arriving soon. I understand the nomad is totally revamped
velotric for me
Right on. Thanks for watching!
Because the summit 1 can go 28. It’s like the ultimate commuter bike
Agreed… but on the trails, the Ramblas the one to choose in my opinion. With that being said, the Summit 1 is my main commuter currently.
The velotric seems like the better choice.
Depends on what you plan on using it for. In my opinion, if it mountain biking all the time, maybe the Ramblas but if it's more weekly riding with mountain biking on the weekends, you may be right.
@scotthardesty Yeah, I'm a hybrid bike guy. Not a hardcore mountain biker.
So😂 I can put 1Ks worth of upgrade parts on the Velotric and have a far superior bike to match the price of the Ramblas….Fox kashima from Ebay, Carbon Lite Bike Rims, XT four pot brakes, carbon crankset😂😂😂 Zee derailleur, 8 speed Sram cassette😂
Please do. I would love to see the results.
@@scotthardesty Hahaha, I put my foot in my mouth as they start raising the price of the Summit now…I am serious about it. In a place where the 8K full suspension bike is still out of reach and just want a fun fitness machine for getting around everywhere.
@@IHatePikeys At least you can save $60 with discount code.