I live in the Lehigh Valley. I grew up Mennonite. Thank you for explaining the difference. Although some people chose to dress plainly in our particular church, we didn’t. My background is German/Czech. (My whole family is from Bucks County). Missionary work was the heart of our church. I still practice this today. ❤️🙏
Also, I’m 10 minutes away from Moravian College in Bethlehem. The College and the bookstore has amazing references if people are interested in PA Dutch culture including Mennonite and Amish. In fact, my family was from Moravia in Czech Republic and that’s where the background lies.
Great video!! I live right in the center of Amish country- when I first moved here I was blown away by the culture..I was surprised to learn they spoke a language other then English l. I always have so many questions but I'm afraid of asking them incase it'll be annoying to them.
Thank you for your excellent overview! I have Yoder ancestors and as the story goes, one brother went with the Mennonites and the other went with the Amish. Your video explains how that happened.
I love the new-ish intro (it's the first time I've seen it in full length) where your daughter is older, not so ashamed to speak Dutch in front of the camera. Just perfect: Es is Zeit für Deitsch! Edit: And the new Outro is also much better, although your son sounds more a bit like he says "mach gut!" instead of "machs gut" ;)
In the state of Chihuahua in Mexico they are MENONITAS that arrived in 1922 from the Province of Manitoba in Canada, they are very good in agriculture and also they make a great cheese and milk they are very hard working people, they do not mix with the locals in any way, they do not do Missionary work some of them are now using tractors for agriculture work, some speak spanish but they all speak old high german
I've always found it interesting that they published a German language bible (Gutenberg), and 50 years later -- Anabaptists, Mennonite movement. Later in England they published an English language bible (King James) and 50 years later -- Quakers etc. in England, with lots of parallels. Somehow it takes about 50 years from when people can read the book themselves and when they decide the church should run like it says in Acts...
*The Amisch-Mennonite rift began as a 1690's variance between Jakob Ammann (CHE) and Hans Reist (CHE),* though followers of both hold to the seven Articles of the _Brüderliche Vereinigung etzlicher Kinder Gottes_ (Schleitheim, Kanton Schaffhausen, CHE: Schwyzerbrüder, 1527). I grew up in the OMS Holiness Church of North America, which holds to doctrine foreign to both; John and Charles Wesley (GBR) forked from the Church of England (which was unaffected by Zwinglianism as then practiced by the pan-German Anabaptists) in the mid-18th Century to establish the doctrine of Methodism, and the Holiness movement of the late 19th Century forked from the then-mainline Methodist churches.
So if Amish people and Mennonites meet, do they usually get along with each other, can they even be friends? Or are there jokes in the style of "an Amish meets a Mennonite" (and then something funny against one or the other group)? Or do they just avoid each other? Like, on one side of the street, there's the Amish and on the other side, there's the Mennonites, and neither ever crosses that street (at least within the city boundaries or within the boundaries of the street)?
Great summary! Now, since your channel is mainly for speaking about language, why not cover the differences, language wise, between the Amish and the Mennonites.
Im curious how do they refer to themselves in PA Dutch language? Assuming there are words for the different denominations. Also others like Old Order Brethren or Hutterites?
Well in early christianity it was normal to be baptised as an adult. Jesus was also baptised as an adult, the reason why they started baptising children was more rational than we think. The children mortality in the past was incredibly high and if they wouldn't have been baptised they wouldn't go to heaven.
Good explanation. You want to really complicate things, then you bring in the element that some Amish are Swiss and not Pennsylvania Dutch though most Amish speak "Dutch" there are many of Swiss background that speak the Swiss dialect. Then you add in what the Mennonites back east call the "Russian" Mennonites, and you have real confusion. The Russian Mennonites came from Russia and Ukraine about 140 years ago and settled on the Great Plains and throughout the prairie provinces of Canada, yet they were not Russians but German speaking people from Switzerland, Germany, and Holland/'Ost Friesland. These Mennonites have different dialects from PA Dutch. Here in SD, we have the Low German Mennonites whose migration was Holland to Prussia, now Poland, then to Russia then to the Great Plains. We have the Swiss Mennonites that went also to Russia and then to America. Add in the Hutterian Brethren or Hutterites as they are commonly called. They are from South Tyrol in northern Italy and some from Moravia. They were chased all over Europe through persecution ending up in Russia as well and then to SD. 2/3 of the Hutterites gave up communal living and live on their own farms and belong to American Mennonite conferences of some sort. 1/3 chose to remain communal. The only place you find these three groups living along with Amish from back east is here in Hutchinson County, SD. We also have one small church here that was of Brethren tradition but like the small group of Amish here, they have their roots among the Pennsylvania Dutch and not the German Russian Mennonites. Add into the mixture, we have a very large number of other Germans from Russia, who are Lutherans, Reformed, Baptists, and German Congregationalists. The Mennonites have their separate Swiss, Low German, and Hutterische dialects. The larger group of these Black Sea Germans who are not Mennonites have the same dialect "Schwabish". However, I see much similarity with your PA Dutch with the "Dutchified English" such as, Throw the cow over the fence some hay, the milk is all, and open the door with the ducks. Also ending a sentence with the word, not?.
“And everything will be worshipped in the house!!!???” 8:59 Sounds wildly pagan, LOL. Just kidding, I say much stranger things whenever I make a recording or a post, and they sound okay to me. My family roots were Mennonite from Souderton, PA. The town is named for my Souder ancestors. All joking aside, you did a great job with this explanation!
Thank you for the clarification/. SO both groups are Pa Dutch. One question. Are outsiders allowed to convert or must all members be born into the faith?
I live in the Lehigh Valley. I grew up Mennonite. Thank you for explaining the difference. Although some people chose to dress plainly in our particular church, we didn’t. My background is German/Czech. (My whole family is from Bucks County). Missionary work was the heart of our church. I still practice this today. ❤️🙏
Also, I’m 10 minutes away from Moravian College in Bethlehem. The College and the bookstore has amazing references if people are interested in PA Dutch culture including Mennonite and Amish. In fact, my family was from Moravia in Czech Republic and that’s where the background lies.
Thank you for sharing our culture. Both my parents are PA Dutch. Dad’s line was Lutheran from the time of Martin Luther and Mom’s side was Anabaptist.
"Are there flowers on her dress?"
"Yes."
"Then she's Mennonite, not Amish."
😁
Also, is the carriage all black? Mennonite. Gray roof? Amish. (Lancaster Co.)
Great video!! I live right in the center of Amish country- when I first moved here I was blown away by the culture..I was surprised to learn they spoke a language other then English l. I always have so many questions but I'm afraid of asking them incase it'll be annoying to them.
Excellent basic summary of the subject.
My ancestors were Amish that turned Apostolic sometime around 1900. Dutch was still spoke in the church and home until the 1950's-60's.
Thank you for your excellent overview! I have Yoder ancestors and as the story goes, one brother went with the Mennonites and the other went with the Amish. Your video explains how that happened.
I love the new-ish intro (it's the first time I've seen it in full length) where your daughter is older, not so ashamed to speak Dutch in front of the camera. Just perfect: Es is Zeit für Deitsch! Edit: And the new Outro is also much better, although your son sounds more a bit like he says "mach gut!" instead of "machs gut" ;)
I have relatives who are Wisler, Joe Wenger, and Horning Mennonites, and 2nd and 3rd cousins who are Old Order Mennonites.
Wisler is german; Wenger swiss (Berne)
In the state of Chihuahua in Mexico they are MENONITAS that arrived in 1922 from the Province of Manitoba in Canada, they are very good in agriculture and also they make a great cheese and milk they are very hard working people, they do not mix with the locals in any way, they do not do Missionary work some of them are now using tractors for agriculture work, some speak spanish but they all speak old high german
I've always found it interesting that they published a German language bible (Gutenberg), and 50 years later -- Anabaptists, Mennonite movement. Later in England they published an English language bible (King James) and 50 years later -- Quakers etc. in England, with lots of parallels. Somehow it takes about 50 years from when people can read the book themselves and when they decide the church should run like it says in Acts...
*The Amisch-Mennonite rift began as a 1690's variance between Jakob Ammann (CHE) and Hans Reist (CHE),* though followers of both hold to the seven Articles of the _Brüderliche Vereinigung etzlicher Kinder Gottes_ (Schleitheim, Kanton Schaffhausen, CHE: Schwyzerbrüder, 1527). I grew up in the OMS Holiness Church of North America, which holds to doctrine foreign to both; John and Charles Wesley (GBR) forked from the Church of England (which was unaffected by Zwinglianism as then practiced by the pan-German Anabaptists) in the mid-18th Century to establish the doctrine of Methodism, and the Holiness movement of the late 19th Century forked from the then-mainline Methodist churches.
So if Amish people and Mennonites meet, do they usually get along with each other, can they even be friends? Or are there jokes in the style of "an Amish meets a Mennonite" (and then something funny against one or the other group)? Or do they just avoid each other? Like, on one side of the street, there's the Amish and on the other side, there's the Mennonites, and neither ever crosses that street (at least within the city boundaries or within the boundaries of the street)?
Great summary!
Now, since your channel is mainly for speaking about language, why not cover the differences, language wise, between the Amish and the Mennonites.
Im curious how do they refer to themselves in PA Dutch language? Assuming there are words for the different denominations. Also others like Old Order Brethren or Hutterites?
Well in early christianity it was normal to be baptised as an adult. Jesus was also baptised as an adult, the reason why they started baptising children was more rational than we think. The children mortality in the past was incredibly high and if they wouldn't have been baptised they wouldn't go to heaven.
Mennonites from Hans Reist from Sumiswald (Berne); Amish from Jakob Ammann from Erlenbach (Berne).
Good explanation. You want to really complicate things, then you bring in the element that some Amish are Swiss and not Pennsylvania Dutch though most Amish speak "Dutch" there are many of Swiss background that speak the Swiss dialect. Then you add in what the Mennonites back east call the "Russian" Mennonites, and you have real confusion. The Russian Mennonites came from Russia and Ukraine about 140 years ago and settled on the Great Plains and throughout the prairie provinces of Canada, yet they were not Russians but German speaking people from Switzerland, Germany, and Holland/'Ost Friesland. These Mennonites have different dialects from PA Dutch. Here in SD, we have the Low German Mennonites whose migration was Holland to Prussia, now Poland, then to Russia then to the Great Plains. We have the Swiss Mennonites that went also to Russia and then to America. Add in the Hutterian Brethren or Hutterites as they are commonly called. They are from South Tyrol in northern Italy and some from Moravia. They were chased all over Europe through persecution ending up in Russia as well and then to SD. 2/3 of the Hutterites gave up communal living and live on their own farms and belong to American Mennonite conferences of some sort. 1/3 chose to remain communal. The only place you find these three groups living along with Amish from back east is here in Hutchinson County, SD. We also have one small church here that was of Brethren tradition but like the small group of Amish here, they have their roots among the Pennsylvania Dutch and not the German Russian Mennonites. Add into the mixture, we have a very large number of other Germans from Russia, who are Lutherans, Reformed, Baptists, and German Congregationalists. The Mennonites have their separate Swiss, Low German, and Hutterische dialects. The larger group of these Black Sea Germans who are not Mennonites have the same dialect "Schwabish". However, I see much similarity with your PA Dutch with the "Dutchified English" such as, Throw the cow over the fence some hay, the milk is all, and open the door with the ducks. Also ending a sentence with the word, not?.
“And everything will be worshipped in the house!!!???” 8:59 Sounds wildly pagan, LOL. Just kidding, I say much stranger things whenever I make a recording or a post, and they sound okay to me. My family roots were Mennonite from Souderton, PA. The town is named for my Souder ancestors. All joking aside, you did a great job with this explanation!
Don't forget good ol' Zacharias Baer, aka Ursinus! Namesake of my alma mater.
Thank you for the clarification/. SO both groups are Pa Dutch.
One question. Are outsiders allowed to convert or must all members be born into the faith?
Outsiders are allowed to convert, but it does not happen very often.
Hi Doug, why is the language called PA Dutch if it sounds more like Deutsch?
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Sorry, but Ammann was a typical bernese highland bulldog. His own daughter left him and remained near Thun.
If you say Amish with a short A sound you are saying it wrong. They pronounce it with a long A sound.
"This won't be in depth..."
🤣🤣🤣 I grew up amish and learned more about our history in these 11 minutes than my last 37 years .
Halo , wie geht’s ?
Amish in Ontario meet in church buildings
Really?! That's interesting. That would never happen here in Pennsylvania among the Amish. Always meet in the home.
"..from priest to bishop to cardinal to pope etc." Well, I hope the great Etc. will forgive you that you've captured him for the catholics... ;-)