Great video - do I grade it as Ace or Ace Plus, I'll have to think about it. When using the Freeform mode (I don't use it myself) did you edit the video straight out the camera into a 3rd party app, or did you load it into Insta360 Studio and export it from there? It might be that you have to export the video from Studio in order to get those settings applied - which is a totally weird way of doing things if you ask me. I only have the Pro but the way I see it is that if what is mostly important to you is recording up to 4k and want the crispest most detailed image you go for the Ace Pro. The 8k sensor lets the camera use pixel binning where it combines 4 pixels out of the 8k image into each pixel in the 4k video (except when in clarity zoom mode). This lets it override errant pixels (hot pixels and noise) with the values of its 3 siblings giving a cleaner image. This is one of the reasons that the low light mode looks better on the pro as I don't think you can do that as cleanly with a 6k image. You could see this crispness in the shots of your face - The Ace Pro captured the details crisper whilst the Ace made you look younger ;) If, however, you prefer to make videos at a higher resolution that 4k to give yourself some room to zoom in in post and reframe the shot in the editor if needs be then go for the Ace. At 24, 25 or 30 fps the 6k would be able to fit into more projects than the 8k of the Pro which would only fit into 24fps videos comfortably. It's similar to the way many people use the 5.3k mode of the Gopro then either downsize or crop in the editor as the needs be. But I do have to say that sensor size is a strange metric that isn't as clear cut as you made it sound. Sure it can be used to compare similar sensors but the 1/1.3" or 1/2" isn't about the height or width of the sensor. It isn't even about the diagonal size of the sensor (a 1/2" 4:3 sensor would have a diagonal sensor size of 8mm, width of 6.4mm and height of 4.8mm while the 1/1.33" 4:3 sensor would have a diagonal of about 12mm, width 9.6mm and height of 7.2mm) No, that would be far too simple. The 1/2" and 1/1.33" refers to the circumference of an imaginary none existent tube of glass that would have surrounded the sensor if it had been an old fashioned vacuum tube sensor, rather than a modern ccd sensor. This is a throw back to the days of analogue sensors where the sensor was in a vacuum tube and that tube was measured. When digital sensors were introduced they were few and far in between so to fit in with the market they were shoe-horned into the existing established metrics. Once digital took over and replaced analogue sensors they were too firmly enshrined into the old system to change. And (of course) this isn't true for all sensor sizes. 35mm Full Frame sensors are the same size a a 35mm frame on film stock so are 35mm(ish) wide, although other 35mm sensors may still be measuring the invisible tube so comparing the same size can also be confusing. Even if the sensor size does relate to the actual sensor size it may not be 100% accurate - with a 6x9 medium format sensor being a bit under 6mm high and a bit under 9mm wide so rounding is used to make it easier. I propose that we get Ikea to name all the sensor sizes then it will be easy for everyone to understand.
I think both cameras have their advantages! Regarding the free frame mode you are right: I was importing the footage directly into Vegas Pro. And this problem only exists only in a third party software! But that goes even further, for example right now, when I use original 4K-footage coming out of the GO 3S in Vegas pro, somehow the codec generated by the GO 3S leads to certain GREEN or half inverted frames inside the footage, a problem which does not appear, when first rendering out in footage using the in the 360 Studio App! So most probably Insta360 is using some very specific codecs, which are best compatible with their own software only. Regarding Pixel binning I once created this short clip, also trying to explain it in a somewhat similar way: ruclips.net/video/GxZB6RYOnio/видео.html This might as well be interesting in the context of the following: Regarding the "crispiness" the Ace Pro is better than the Ace, but still I like much more the pictures generated by Sony-Sensors instead. Also I agree with your strong pro-6K-30p-argument regarding the Ace! And when it comes to IKEA: thanks at for your explanation of the "tube" - fits well here on You-Tube
@@xiannengtai24 I think there must be also some battery packs available as an option. What I know for sure is that the water just inside the batteries are not the same. Why don't you write to the Insta360 Support way shall give you are precise answer, for example if the Ace tolerates the batteries for Aco pro as well? Usually the insta360 support is very "supportive" 😂 Good luck 👍 if you don't mind, please tell me what was your final solution ...
I've seen a video where they used a diopter on the 360 Ace Pro and it really made a difference.. That will probably be the case for the Ace too, so I think I'll be good with a Ace instead of Ace Pro, as a first time action camera user? I'd use it just for travelling.. I'm so confused and really want one 😩😩
Hi Talitha! In case you have the chance to look at this video at full resolution on a larger screen, you will be able to discover that, at least to my eyes, somehow the resolution of the Ace Pro appears to be a little more clean in sense of the pixel matrix itself. How to let me tell you that the near focus distance difference makes in fact: a difference. Especially in case you want to use the action cam for travelling - you might end up being more happy with the Ace Pro and at the same time you can save the money for an additional diopter, which will never be fixed properly (no screw on mechanism). Except you buy and cheap diopter, or so to say macro-adapter from Alibaba to screw on, but then you risk the water resistance of your cam ...
Yes of course it is both cameras original footage!! That's why you have a direct comparison, and, here is some more: ruclips.net/video/NW-fy3mkGYI/видео.html
On the Ace without pro, the faster aperture is combined with a half inch size sensor, so the minimum focusing distance is not affected by this minimum difference of f/ (2.4 vs. 2.6).
Agree with you totally - and that must be because of the Size of the sensor! I goes on like that, when you compare the sensor of ace pro to the aps/c sensor of Sony 6700: ruclips.net/video/GxZB6RYOnio/видео.html the pull over (an the funny beard) again appear in higher detail ...
isn't the ace pro the company's professional model? and the simple ace? how does the simple one write at 30p at 6K and the professional model (Aki pro) write at 30p 4k before it didn't record HDR at 30p, in b the simple one was written? let's face it, doesn't it have a smaller sensor, so it writes better? did I not understand well? how do you get a bigger battery in the simple model? the reverse shouldn't be?
you are totally right‼️ the ace pro is meant to be the professional model, but as I try to explain in the video (2:30): it can record 8K, yes, but only at 24P: the maximum resolution of ace pro is higher, but the frame rate lower. Before the last update the Aspro was recording HDR automatically by default at 4K30p, there was no option to deactivate it. Now it is possible to toggle HDR on and off. I also assumed the bigger battery to be located in the pro model but it is other than expected. Nonetheless both cameras perform almost exactly the same while recording. If I find the time I'll make a direct battery duration comparison one day.
Great video - do I grade it as Ace or Ace Plus, I'll have to think about it.
When using the Freeform mode (I don't use it myself) did you edit the video straight out the camera into a 3rd party app, or did you load it into Insta360 Studio and export it from there? It might be that you have to export the video from Studio in order to get those settings applied - which is a totally weird way of doing things if you ask me.
I only have the Pro but the way I see it is that if what is mostly important to you is recording up to 4k and want the crispest most detailed image you go for the Ace Pro. The 8k sensor lets the camera use pixel binning where it combines 4 pixels out of the 8k image into each pixel in the 4k video (except when in clarity zoom mode). This lets it override errant pixels (hot pixels and noise) with the values of its 3 siblings giving a cleaner image. This is one of the reasons that the low light mode looks better on the pro as I don't think you can do that as cleanly with a 6k image. You could see this crispness in the shots of your face - The Ace Pro captured the details crisper whilst the Ace made you look younger ;)
If, however, you prefer to make videos at a higher resolution that 4k to give yourself some room to zoom in in post and reframe the shot in the editor if needs be then go for the Ace. At 24, 25 or 30 fps the 6k would be able to fit into more projects than the 8k of the Pro which would only fit into 24fps videos comfortably. It's similar to the way many people use the 5.3k mode of the Gopro then either downsize or crop in the editor as the needs be.
But I do have to say that sensor size is a strange metric that isn't as clear cut as you made it sound.
Sure it can be used to compare similar sensors but the 1/1.3" or 1/2" isn't about the height or width of the sensor. It isn't even about the diagonal size of the sensor (a 1/2" 4:3 sensor would have a diagonal sensor size of 8mm, width of 6.4mm and height of 4.8mm while the 1/1.33" 4:3 sensor would have a diagonal of about 12mm, width 9.6mm and height of 7.2mm)
No, that would be far too simple. The 1/2" and 1/1.33" refers to the circumference of an imaginary none existent tube of glass that would have surrounded the sensor if it had been an old fashioned vacuum tube sensor, rather than a modern ccd sensor. This is a throw back to the days of analogue sensors where the sensor was in a vacuum tube and that tube was measured. When digital sensors were introduced they were few and far in between so to fit in with the market they were shoe-horned into the existing established metrics. Once digital took over and replaced analogue sensors they were too firmly enshrined into the old system to change.
And (of course) this isn't true for all sensor sizes. 35mm Full Frame sensors are the same size a a 35mm frame on film stock so are 35mm(ish) wide, although other 35mm sensors may still be measuring the invisible tube so comparing the same size can also be confusing. Even if the sensor size does relate to the actual sensor size it may not be 100% accurate - with a 6x9 medium format sensor being a bit under 6mm high and a bit under 9mm wide so rounding is used to make it easier.
I propose that we get Ikea to name all the sensor sizes then it will be easy for everyone to understand.
I think both cameras have their advantages!
Regarding the free frame mode you are right: I was importing the footage directly into Vegas Pro. And this problem only exists only in a third party software! But that goes even further, for example right now, when I use original 4K-footage coming out of the GO 3S in Vegas pro, somehow the codec generated by the GO 3S leads to certain GREEN or half inverted frames inside the footage, a problem which does not appear, when first rendering out in footage using the in the 360 Studio App! So most probably Insta360 is using some very specific codecs, which are best compatible with their own software only.
Regarding Pixel binning I once created this short clip, also trying to explain it in a somewhat similar way: ruclips.net/video/GxZB6RYOnio/видео.html This might as well be interesting in the context of the following:
Regarding the "crispiness" the Ace Pro is better than the Ace, but still I like much more the pictures generated by Sony-Sensors instead.
Also I agree with your strong pro-6K-30p-argument regarding the Ace!
And when it comes to IKEA: thanks at for your explanation of the "tube" - fits well here on You-Tube
Can the battery if the ace pro be used in the ace?
Hi, unfortunately they are NOT compatible ❗❗
@@S-LAB ohh im from Singapore and I can only find the ace pro’s battery 😢
@@xiannengtai24 I think there must be also some battery packs available as an option. What I know for sure is that the water just inside the batteries are not the same. Why don't you write to the Insta360 Support way shall give you are precise answer, for example if the Ace tolerates the batteries for Aco pro as well? Usually the insta360 support is very "supportive" 😂 Good luck 👍 if you don't mind, please tell me what was your final solution ...
I've seen a video where they used a diopter on the 360 Ace Pro and it really made a difference.. That will probably be the case for the Ace too, so I think I'll be good with a Ace instead of Ace Pro, as a first time action camera user? I'd use it just for travelling.. I'm so confused and really want one 😩😩
Hi Talitha! In case you have the chance to look at this video at full resolution on a larger screen, you will be able to discover that, at least to my eyes, somehow the resolution of the Ace Pro appears to be a little more clean in sense of the pixel matrix itself. How to let me tell you that the near focus distance difference makes in fact: a difference. Especially in case you want to use the action cam for travelling - you might end up being more happy with the Ace Pro and at the same time you can save the money for an additional diopter, which will never be fixed properly (no screw on mechanism). Except you buy and cheap diopter, or so to say macro-adapter from Alibaba to screw on, but then you risk the water resistance of your cam ...
By the way - how did you finally decide?
this is what i wanted
Perfect! (I'm still about to process a direct comparison of image quality, hopefully coming soon ...)
Original Both camera Footage ??
Yes of course it is both cameras original footage!! That's why you have a direct comparison, and, here is some more: ruclips.net/video/NW-fy3mkGYI/видео.html
Thanks for the review
I am happy in case it was useful to you!
On the Ace without pro, the faster aperture is combined with a half inch size sensor, so the minimum focusing distance is not affected by this minimum difference of f/ (2.4 vs. 2.6).
Are you sure did you have a closer look @ 6:09 ?
Your pull over is clearly more detailed on the right
Agree with you totally - and that must be because of the Size of the sensor! I goes on like that, when you compare the sensor of ace pro to the aps/c sensor of Sony 6700: ruclips.net/video/GxZB6RYOnio/видео.html the pull over (an the funny beard) again appear in higher detail ...
Yo the soundcheck could be more differenciated (from yogi perspective!)
Coming soon!
isn't the ace pro the company's professional model? and the simple ace? how does the simple one write at 30p at 6K and the professional model (Aki pro) write at 30p 4k
before it didn't record HDR at 30p, in b the simple one was written?
let's face it, doesn't it have a smaller sensor, so it writes better?
did I not understand well?
how do you get a bigger battery in the simple model? the reverse shouldn't be?
you are totally right‼️ the ace pro is meant to be the professional model, but as I try to explain in the video (2:30): it can record 8K, yes, but only at 24P: the maximum resolution of ace pro is higher, but the frame rate lower. Before the last update the Aspro was recording HDR automatically by default at 4K30p, there was no option to deactivate it. Now it is possible to toggle HDR on and off. I also assumed the bigger battery to be located in the pro model but it is other than expected. Nonetheless both cameras perform almost exactly the same while recording. If I find the time I'll make a direct battery duration comparison one day.
@@S-LAB thanks for the immediate reply, so I should go for the pre; because confusingly a bit from the video, how are we going to update the software?
@@dimg3175 software update is very easy using insta360 app on android/Mac and/or PC 👍