Kodiak Lodge Tent 6170 - Day 6, installing damper, comparing Mr. Buddy heater, don’t use a rain cap
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- In this video I'm going to show you several things. First, how to install a damper into your wood burning cast iron colorado cylinder stove. It's a 5 inch damper I install. Next, I show you how to put on the rain cap, but I will not be using it again as it caused embers to fall direclty onto the tent roof (fortunately none burned through). I'll show you how a mr. buddy heater compared to the colorado cylinder stove. I show you a quick review on the envirolog and why I won't be using that again in the stove at least (great for fire pits outdoors). Lastly, I show you how to clean the stove for the first time. It's all quite simple and I hope it's helpful to you. If there's anything in these demos you want to see please speak up by commenting below.
Note: the version is the video is the first edition of this 6170 model. There have been several improvements. Kodiak makes improvements based on customer experience, warranty claims, and engineering recommendations. These include a stronger reinforced upright pole with the joint reinforced, and stainless steel rings vs brass grommets for the pole and guy rope attachment points.
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also pro tip toss a little water into the ash it would go all over the inside of your tent i bring a small spray bottle and spray down my ash and it makes cleaning it so much easier
Great tips.
Thanks for posting! Can’t wait to see how this tent holds up through the winter
Kodiak Canvas rules. I have used mine now for three years. I take good care of it. I love it.
The damper is used to help control the fire burn , open it up and the door damper to have hot fie or to get the wood burning when filling stove then when going good shut both down to let fie burn on a slow burn doesn’t stop the fire foam burning just slow burn and good slow heat ….. been hunting in wall tent for 50 some years .
Lyle, I just took this tent and stove out for our inaugural first camping trip. If I close both dampers all the way will I still get a burn through the night? I found myself getting up a lot to fill the stove up in the middle of the night.
@@adamhilbert8730 yes that’s what you have to do , once you get a good fire going shut both dampers off will burn till wood is gone . If you get up to go to bathroom put some wood in, or if you feel cooling down . Try not spitting all wood if you have whole pices that will fit in use them as many as can get in , burn longer if you put as much as you can . Looking at you’re stove you should be able to put 5-6” maybe 7” in stove , you’ll have to try different sizes .to see what fits best and get lots in , split wood burns a lot faster and quicker .
@@lyleloomis3493 what is your take on the rain cap? In the video it looks like all the ash and embers came from the EnviroLog he burned. They are prone to producing a lot of ash.
@@adamhilbert8730 for your tent your pipe goes out the roof so yes use the cap and you might be where it’s law to use . We have our pipe going out the front left side if in tent looking at door , it goes out away from tent 2 pipe length then up in air 2 pipe length no cap we don’t need it. We have 2 - 1” steel pipes drove in ground that we fasten the upward pipe to and tie wire from pipe to pipe under stove pipe too
Spark arrestor with rain cap is fine but not with a heater cap top style like you would see on a propane heater to push heat down. Ash comes out hits the cap and falls on the tent. With a rain cap spark arrestor that does have the heater cap the smoke just comes out as normal and away from the tent.
Thanks for your great points.
Find you one of the old ash buckets and a fireplace shovel and put a curved flue pipe on the top to keep rain from coming down into the stove.
I learned the hard way on the cap...
It would cool to have a little wood burning stove in the 2 man tent.
That's an interesting thought. Thanks for your feedback.
Great video
You getting sparks probably because your pipes are not 10 feet at least , I have the same set up but 10 feet , drill in bulbs or screws at top to use guylines to hold your pipes from filling over
Great idea!
Do not use any paper product to start your fire. It will create a lot of embers that land on your tent. Use a fire starter liquid instead which will burn clean. We had to put a large flat piece of aluminum sheeting on our tent tied down with rope to protect it.
I’m very inspired by your post, I’m trying to decide between the kodiak and the Russian bear up2 tent which is just awesome from what I’ve seen, love to see you do a personal opinion on that one please
I've never heard of the russian bear up tent, but I just looked it up. I'm not sure it's much of a comparison. it looks very small and kind of dangerous sleeping right next to that stove. I'd love to test one out and if I do I'll post it here.
mr heater great for small tents
A thorough cleaning isn't required every time. You should leave the grate in and pull the ashes towards you. The ashes that remain under the grate are a really good insulator to keep the bottom of the stove from burning through.
they should've made a finer mesh cover to put at the bottom of the cap to prevent the Amber's from rising
Or use a better wood stove. Rocket style is perfect for this and no embers. Tent stoves are so old technology these days. Silverfire has some way better options.
Thank you sir !
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Then when there's a downpour and you need heat what's the best option
Excellent question. When it is down pouring you can use a rain cap as a wet roof will be impervious to small embers.
Charlie...a question? Instead of using the rain cap, why not put an elbow pipe at the very top of the pipe, then put a spark arrestor on the end? It’ll keep the rain out of the pipe and you shouldn’t have the issue of hot embers landing on the tent
That's a good point. I'll have to give that a shot.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts Please let me know how this works out...I’m still waiting for my tent from you guys. Overdue by three weeks and counting. I don’t want to cancel...then I may NEVER get one with the back order waiting.
even in a down poor not enough water would get into the pipe with a good fire going would do nothing rain cap and worrying about water is nonsense, i been winter camping all my life have been in a very strong rain storms in the fall and never have had a issue with water into my pipe or stove.
Thank you for your comments. That was my experience as well.
Good veido thinks and don't worry about us let that dog bark haha
I know this is way late, but in your demo with the Mr. Buddy Heater you are showing the 9000 BTU model, the smaller one. What difference would using the 18,000 BTU Big Buddy heater, which has two heating elements, make in terms of heating the tent in comparison to wood? Thanks.
I think the 18,000 would heat it up nicely.
All you need is the smaller 9000 model, put a heart activated fan on top and you're good to go. Even on low, this setup will heat your tent quickly.
I am wondering what it would be like using the Heat Robber and the Rain Cap? The Heat Robber has its own spark arrestor inside. This should stop most of the embers and limit what would contact the tent roof.
That's a great idea! I'm going to give that a shot. I'll post here how it goes once I get my hands on the heat robber.
Competitive Edge Products, Inc Thank you, I will look forward to seeing how it works.
You have to use the bigger Mr. buddy heater that is too much area during cold temperature
That's a good point.
really enjoy your videos, very informative. I was wondering what kinda chairs you have there. they look very comfortable.
Thank you for your feedback. They are very comfortable and after using them I had some other family members purchase some. I got them from Sam's Club and they are the members mark brand and I think they were advertised as hammock camp chairs. The frame collapses instantly and folds up into a regular camping sure size bag-they're very nice.
Listen, you can put the cover back on the pipe you just have to screw the cap to the pipe so you dont loose it again
Robert, are you referring to the rain cap?
Yes I am
@@onslought2 The rain cap didn't fall off. I took it off, because it was causing embers to fall onto the tent roof.
Where do you get the stove and accessories from ??
@@jaybird3301 Colorado Cylinder Stoves is the brand of the stove and accessories. This is the Spruce stove model.
Did you use the damper, it slows down the flow of air. That might be some of the ember problem. Not enough speed to send them into the air.
Those rocking chairs are nice.....where can I get one?
Here ya go: www.samsclub.com/p/members-mark-swing-chair/prod23120337?xid=plp_product_3
@@Competitiveedgeproducts thank you
Your adorable 😍
What reason do they recommend NOT using the Buddy heaters?
I think it's for liability purposes and safety.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts did you notice heavy condensation when you tried it?
@@justins8768 Yeah a bit, nothing major. I can feel the condensation in the air when I breath especially with a Mr. Buddy. But I don't see anything beading up on the walls or ceiling. There is a clear difference with the dry heat though from a wood burning stove. I own and use both. I used a Mr. Buddy over the weekend on the Outer Banks and it worked well in the Kodiak screen house, but nothing is quite like a hot stove. I feel like the stove literally dries the tent on both the inside and outside. The Mr. Buddy heater adds heat, but doesn't have the BTU's like a wooden stove. You can get a million BTU's burning a cord of wood for a few hours depending on the tree. The standard size Mr. Buddy is about 10k maybe? There are some pros and cons to both. I'd say the biggest con on a wooden stove is the weight and the wood you need to keep it going. The Mr. Buddy requires you bring propane, but it's lighter weight, takes longer to heat up and isn't as efficient. Hope that helps.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts thank you for taking the time to respond. I am used to running my Big Buddy Heater in a cheap tent which is what I have done for years. It works fine for me but the ceiling is mesh. I am ready to get a bigger, nicer tent but I'm not sure the stove will work for me at this moment just simply because I want to minimize what I'm hauling. I have decided this is the tent I want and I plan on using my Big Buddy heater I just had concerns with the condensation. Thanks again!
Can you burn charcoal in wood stoves like this? Just the supermarket stuff I mean.
That is a good question. I really don't know the answer to that. I mean, I'm sure you can, but I'm not sure how efficient it is. Anybody out there try that? If so, please share.
You can but they burn WAY hotter than the wood does so be very careful to not over due it.
Can you put the spark arrestor mesh on and then put the rain guard on??
Great question. The diameter of the rain card is too wide to fit the spark arrestor.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts how about just adding extensions to the piping so that the piping goes out and over the ground so that the ash lands on the ground and not the tent?
I use a spark arrestor cap for over 12 years and haven't had any trouble. My top section of pipe has a bunch of small holes drilled in it about 6" from the top and down about one foot all the way around spaced and offset about 1". The embers burn themselves out before leaving the pipe. Custom made cylinder stove.
get a proper rain cap for the pipe ... thats for a gas heater ... and useless on a wood stove ... the cap you need is a t cap with fine mesh screen . it will look like a tank gun with muzzle brake as for the fine mesh ... steel wool held in the cap with some mechanics wire ... it provides a cross flow of air drawing up the flu better ... and the damper adjusts the air flow slowing down or speeding up the fire ... (the heat is just a side effect a damper controls air flow) and for that stove a 4inch pipe is proper size .. 5 inc is over kill and will send more crud up the flu than the proper sized one ...
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and not packaging the needed parts from the start that's just plain crappy service ... Kodiak used to be better I guess profit got in the way of quality
Thank you for the feedback. The stove is by Colorado Cylinder, the tent is Kodiak.
Why couldn't you install a raincap over the spark damper
The rain cap just meant that embers galore where landing on the roof top. None did any damage, but I would only put the cap on in the event of some good rain (which I did). Just be careful how much you are burning with it on. I've had no complaints from anyone using the cap though.
What wood stove are you using in tent?
The colorado spruce cylinder stove: www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/spruce-stove-package.html
It has a 5-inch stove pipe which works great in these.
That stove is large enough for an entire house. Envirologs are just rolled up waxed cardboard and will produce a lot of ash.
If it's windy, point your vent so it blows away from your tent. There is no way burning wood causes that much embers!
I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand what your saying. The vent? The pipe just goes straight up through the roof and has a mesh spark arrestor - it can't be pointed in a direction. Or am I missing something? Wood creates embers, the more you burn, the type of wood, the heat, all contribute to the ember count.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts point your tent so that the wind blows the smoke away from the tent. And make sure that your pipe is higher than the tent.
@@dodgerammopar360 ah, I see what your saying. There a few places I've been where the wind blows consistently one way. That's not a bad idea.
@@Competitiveedgeproductsalso make sure your flu pipe is above your tent so the embers have time to cool before it leaves the pipe
Use a bigger mr buddy that one is small
Yeah, I've got the dual burner mr. buddy with a 16 gallon tank and 8' hose and it can heat it up really well. It's not the dry type of burn though, meaning, you get a fair amount of condensation if you're burning it a while.
Didn't even compare the Mr. Buddy.
No you're right. I should have done a better job about that. Here's what I noticed with the Mr. Buddy heater - it did okay in temperatures around 40F. It couldn't heat it down to 1F though. It would bring the temperature up closer to 40F when running on high. Could you get by with a Mr. Buddy, sure! Some campsites won't allow stoves and there are burning restrictions in certain times of the year, especially out West. There is a Mr. Buddy that has two elements and feeds in with two propane canisters. That one could keep up much better in this large tent. So, it definitely could work, but once you've fired up a wood burning heater you know you've got very comfortable heat relatively quickly and you don't have to battle the humidity/condensation that's a byproduct of propane. Thank you for bringing this up. I really think I'm going to do another video and compare them as the sole focus of the video.
@Competitive Edge Products, Inc Appreciate the response. I own and hate the Mr. Buddy. Condensation leads to mold, which is a disaster in wet areas like the PNW. Not to mention, they are very dangerous. Maybe, you will consider a second part to the video with more detail.