Conflicting Conclusions: The Government Assassination Investigations
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- The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza presented a conversation between Warren Commission Assistant Counsel Howard P. Willens and G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Staff Director to the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979. The moderator was Curator Stephen Fagin, and this program was recorded at the Museum on October 29, 2018.
One week after the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, President Lyndon B. Johnson established The President’s Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. Chaired by Chief Justice Earl Warren, this prestigious investigative body, commonly known as the Warren Commission, concluded in a report published in 1964 that alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, finding no evidence of a conspiracy.
Following a wave of critical literature by independent researchers about the assassination investigation, amplified by skepticism and social unrest of the 1960s and the Watergate scandal in the early 1970s, public trust in the Warren Commission’s Report significantly dropped. In 1975, the Abraham Zapruder film that captured the assassination was broadcast for the first time on network television, leading to increased interest in the circumstances surrounding the death of President Kennedy. Further fueled by revelations that government agencies had withheld information from the Warren Commission, in September 1976, the U.S. House of Representatives established the Select Committee on Assassinations to investigate the deaths of President Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. While several scientific studies commissioned by the House Select Committee corroborated some findings of the Warren Commission and they concurred that Oswald killed President Kennedy, acoustical analysis of a Dallas police dictabelt recording led the Committee to conclude in their Final Report issued in 1979 that President John F. Kennedy “was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.”
Howard P. Willens, an attorney in the Criminal Division of the U.S. Justice Department in 1963, served as Assistant Counsel on the staff of the Warren Commission. He is the author of "History Will Prove Us Right: Inside the Warren Commission Report on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy" (2013).
G. Robert Blakey, a longtime law professor at Notre Dame and Cornell Law School, was appointed Chief Counsel and Staff Director to the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979. He is co-author of "The Plot to Kill President Kennedy" (1981).
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At 1:54:20 Did he really say Dulles admired Kennedy? Kennedy fired Dulles. Dulles hated Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs and the fact that Dulles was even on the Warren Commission nullifies all of their work.
Exactly! And Dulles' number 2 for 9 years (and in charge of the BOP attack) was General Cabell, brother of the Mayor of Dallas. Cabell was also fired by JFK. "Admired/loved Kennedy" Was used several times by people involved in the plot - David Ferrie, Clay Shaw and Jack Ruby were all extreme right wingers who said it, to avoid suspicion.
Could one of you point to comments of Dulles explicitly stating he hated JFK? I know it’s popular in mythology but I’ve never found anything where he personally criticized the president.
@Katrina Favret
Ultimately it was his call but there was a lot of blame to go around.
@@Ckom-Tunes True he had no good choices. I mean he could have overthrown Cuba, but he would be condemned all throughout Europe,Latin America, a lot of the left here, and Moscow. Not to mention the constant reprisals from Castro loyalists if under military occupation.
But you don't know the whole story.Dulles and Kennedy both agreed he had to step down though he technically fired him.Blakey is right there are pictures of Kennedy and Dulles being friendly ling after he was fired.
In all my 60+years of experience with firearms. I've never seen an entry hole larger than an exit hole.
Thats right!
The Warren Commission and the goverment are full of it.
They fed the American people, actually the whole world, so many lies..it's degrading to the whole world and all things that made sense!
"We have differing views of the assassination."
Proceeds with the 2 men agreeing with the warren commission.
LOL!
My thoughts exactly... hilarious how they believe the final shot to the head came from behind, especially considering all the witness testimony to seeing blood and white matter spraying over the left rear of the trunk ... and more importantly one of those witnesses was a motorcycle cop, directly to the left rear of the car, and his testimony was unique because not only did he see this pattern and direction of blood and brain, he also stated he got spattered with blood from that shot 😳... these people seriously need to take forensics course or at least have a better understanding of basic physics, this is just embarrassing imo
We call that "closing the Overton window"
Their running a shell game. The deck is stacked 75-25. They plant the oswald did it flag, then hedge just enough , so they can say - we will never know the truth. But Oswald did it. It's called truth management. Lol
@@larrywheels762 *They're
Mr. Hoover said Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin and I would be happy to take his word for it except for the fact that J. Edgar was one of the most villainous characters in American history. If this were a just society they would remove his name from the FBI headquarters but the fix is in.
The reason Hoover was saying that was everybody and there mommy in Dallas law enforcement were telling him that though he did want it to get settled quickly because he did not want it to get out that he dropped the ball on investigating oswald
@@randyharris3175 We will never know because Oswald was never tried and convicted. Hoover, on the other hand, was as guilty as the day is long. What a horrible person he was! Poor Justice Warren was forced by LBJ to partake in that fraud of an investigation.
@@stephenjablonsky1941 i think we know beyond any doubt that oswald did it
@@randyharris3175 Were you there? Did you see him do it?
@@stephenjablonsky1941 come on man more evidence against that guy than anybody in history do not be a moron
This was fantastic. I'm so appreciative that this was put together and uploaded to RUclips. All of the people who worked on this case are getting old and unfortunately dying. So important to hear these stories and opinions. I'm 52 yrs old and feel it's still relevant today. Stay healthy everyone
It doesn't matter how long any of the Witnesses live, The Government has Covered this up and The FBI, CIA and Secret Service were all involved in the Assassination!! Read some books and you will see! Start with the Book, The Best Evidence and there are many More! I used to think that Clint Hill, The Secret Service Man who jumped on the back of JFKs Car was a Hero but he was Just as Involved as the Rest of them and that's One Reason he was Not on JFKs Car? Very Sad that we will Never Know what really happened? And Now were dealing with the Worst President in our History!! Biden is a Treasonous Along with his Entire Family and hopefully the House will get to the Bottom of the Bidens Dealings with China and other Countries?
You must be very easy to entertain.
@@rvierra7235 ..So, why don't you ! Take your time now.
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1 hour 55, quotation Allen Dulles was a great public servant? That idiot is got to read the devil's chessboard having somebody who has an opinion like that is ridiculous to allow him to express anything about the Kennedy assassination!
@@rvierra7235 I turned it off when he said the entry wound was at the back of the head. All the Parkland doctors saw a large hole in the right posterior of the head. I don't think all of those doctors were lying.
Was Oswald a loner? No, he was a joiner. He joined the Civil Air Patrol, joined the Marines early, joined political causes, joined libraries, joined a carpool, held a full time job, joined in Holy Matrimony with Marina, joined her on the weekends to see his two kids rather than leave them alone, joined a boardinghouse with 16 other people living there, tried to join the USSR, etc. To see what a loner looks like by contrast, look at the loner known as the Unabomber, who was unmarried, unemployed, and lived alone in a shack in the woods.
That`s a binary understanding of a "loner"
Oswald also joined the KGB 🎖️ He was recruited in Japan and trained in Russia ☝️
Loners don't have friends like Clay Shaw and DeMohrenschildt.
A loner and a joiner are *NOT* mutually exclusive.
@@jamesanthony5681 of course not, but behavior patterns are smthn u can bet money on😏
Possible Mafia involvement in the assassination would not be a factor in the governments refusal to release all the documents now classified under National Security.
in the early 60s where the line between CIA and the Mafia was pretty blurry...
I was seated in High School History Class, as I was thinking "Gee, I like History but nothing ever happens any more." A knock on the classroom door ? The teacher went out into the hallway for a few minutes. As she returned she was muttering "Oh, he must be drunk Again?"... then the school's speakers came on. The Janitor was "Right"... my classmates will never for get that day either.
Sounds like a scene out of "Peyton Place".
@@samsmom400 😂
I have no idea what this means
Bay of pigs Cuban missile crisis Berlin blockade and nothing happens anymore in history at that time??
@@gobert9316Precisely. Junk.
The key difference between the two official investigations: the Warren Commission set out to disprove a conspiracy and establish a truth (theirs) whereas the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations set out to find the truth and ended up leaving the case open to interpretation and the possibility of conspiracy. "Trust those who seek the truth, but doubt those who say they have found it." - Andre Gide
There's a good new and scary book Lone Star Speaks on many witnesses who were scared told to shut up about what they saw and did in relation to Oswald,Ruby,LBJ, and The Assassination.
@@vernpascal1531 My dad was briefly questioned by the Secret Service and FBI, but his statement did not fit their narrative, so they never used it, He was told not to discuss it further with anyone, under the National Secrets Act. Several of our neighbors, who were also there, were also questioned and told the same thing.
@dropsy: The HSCA determination of "probable conspiracy" was based solely on last minute acoustical evidence (of an alleged 4th shot). But this evidence was debunked 3 years later by the National Academy of Sciences; leaving the House with no evidence, and no conspiracy.
@@JoelBrothers I'd like to hear more if you could. Or maybe contact the above Authors. I just saw this. When good witness after good witness( first hand etc is denied, or ignored ,and people are threatened or told to shut up)Then that tells you the official story can't be true. Same with the concealing of all the Documents.
@@vernpascal1531 What would you like to know? I didn't see much, but I'll tell you what I remember. And it wasn't like what the official storyline says. It's garbage. I was only 4 years old, but my eyes and ears worked fine.
It’s amazing how both of these men spent so much time on this case and know so little.
True-Blakey does not represent the conspiracy side well at all.
Vern Pascal It’s because he really doesn’t believe anything he’s saying. And he’s right not to. His theory is total garbage. The Mafia was used by the actual people responsible for planning and covering up the crime.
@@Chauncey60 -Yes..like it said in JFK-Could the mob wreck the Autopsy"? "Change the Parade Route" etc.
Vern Pascal correct
@@Chauncey60
Vern is just another uninformed conspiracy kook that spins conspiracy kook horse shit that is over 50 years. After all these years, it still stinks.
Yet in spite of these learned, knowledgeable gentlemen being so intelligent, they have no idea how Oswald pulled the trigger twice and yet fired three bullets. Pulling off the greatest magic trick in history......
"Oswald pulled the trigger twice and yet fired three bullets": Is that supposed to make sense????
I don't have an issue with someone taking the position that Oswald acted alone. I have an issue with that person claiming that zero evidence exists to support any other theory (a conspiracy) because that simply is not a true statement. Evidence exists to support a conspiracy when you take in all the information and testimony. We will never know for sure.
I have a problem with the fact that much of the evidence and information had and is still being held or has been "lost," Kennedy's brain or what was left out of it, for example. I also have a problem with the magic bullet theory and the greatly unemphasized implication that if the magic bullet theory is not reasonable, there follows with certainty that there was another involved (definition of conspiracy).
Those are a couple of good points. Here's another big problem regarding the Assassination and the Warren Commission. It's common knowledge that the feds destroyed Oswald's note a couple weeks before the killing by Agent Hosty. Hosty always maintained that the note was innocuous" If you don't quit bothering my wife I'll take this to a Higher Authority". Agreed if that was what was said.. You can't blame Hosty. But about like everything in this Crazy Kennedy Assassination Story there is a whole other side. Secretary Nancy Fenner of the Dallas Field Office said she saw the note and Oswald had talked about blowing up the place. Now that's a huge discrepancy. Why would the local Secretary lie? And so blatantly lie? Because if what she said is true then Hosty, Shanklin the Head Of The Dallas Office and Hoover should have been prosecuted for destruction of evidence and not doing anything about Oswald in the 2 weeks before the Assassination. Even if Hosty was telling the truth and he might well have, then Shanklin and Hoover should have been held accountable to some degree by The Warren Commission, and nothing was done in the most important murder investigation in their History.
Oswald was obviously the only shooter... It is the question of who trained and paid Oswald that has been kept very very secret
Hint: KGB and DGI
I agree.
@@vernpascal1531 Supposing the note was innocuous, why would they have
destroyed it? Makes no sense.
1.) How did the bullet get on the stretcher? Dr. McClelland and Dr. Jones said it was absurd to believe it just showed up.
Right
PLAN - TED. PLEASE WATCH THIS. The Zaptruder Film MYSTERY.
"How did the bullet get on the stretcher?" philly johnny
the question should be HOW DID A BULLET GET ON THE GURNEY ?. there actually is not a single witness who identofied ce399 (the so called magic bullet ) as the bullet found at parkland . it didnt even fall from connallys gurney , it fell from a gurney that was already in the corridor and which a young boy had previously laid upon .
darrell tomlinson along with nathan pool found the bullet , pool said that it was a pointed tip bullet , ce399 is round nosed all most flat nosed . pool knowing about jfks death didnt want to be involved so he told tomlinson to say he found the bullet alone , and thats what he did . tomlinson brought the bullet to his superior o p wright , he also gave a statement saying the bullet was POINTED TIPPED .
tomlinson always maintained that the bullet fell not from connallys gurney (which he pulled from the elevator ) but from a gurney that was already in the corridor by the wall . the fbi fabricated a report stating falsely that the above men were shown ce399 at parkland by fbi agent odum and that they identified it as the bullet they found . ALL LIES . none of the 3 men ever identified ce399 as the bullet they found . in fact agent odum upon being told that he was named in the fabricated report as the agent that brought ce399 to parkland stated that he never even saw ce399 and that he never brought any bullet to parkland . arlen specter knew the importance of the bullet and he tried to twist things and tried to get tomlinson to say that the bullet fell from connallys gurney , when that failed he pushed tomlinson in to admitting that HE COULD BE WRONG .
a bullet was found thats for sure . remember it was texas . the lad on the gurney could have been hunting and was somehow injured or taken ill , i say that as i dont recall why he had been on the gurney . but a bullet could have innocently fallen from his pocket and on to the gurney . it was then brought to fbi offices where they THOUGHT it fell from connallys gurney , they found it was not a carcano bullet . that would pose a big problem , it could mean two shooters and by then orders had come down NO CONSPIRACY . oswald had originally been charged with killing jfk in the furtherance of an international communist conspiracy , the dallas police had orders to change the charge , no mention of conspiracies . after all j edgar hoover had already told rfk about 2 hours after jfks shooting that THEY HAD THEIR MAN , HE WAS IN THE CATEGORY OF A NUT . oswald was only at the police station a few minutes at that stage and they were still trying to ascertain who he was . so late that evening the fbi receiving a non carcano bullet would be a problem . if you check you will find there is a hour discrepency between agents delivering the bullet and the fbi ballistics guys saying they took possession of it .
its just my thought now as we cant really prove it . but rather than a bullet being planted say by ruby or another on the gurney it may be the case that the fbi in a panic just substituted the bullet they received with a test carcano bullet fired through nothing more than cotton wadding . and that would explain why there was virtually no damage to the bullet aside from a little flattening at the base . then they have a carcano bullet and as it was fired by the rifle in question the markings matched . its win win for j edgar .
@@fobrien1 There is a far more plausible, as well as credible explanation for the bullet in question; that which has been adequately demonstrated by SBT, which consigns all the tales of a "planted" bullet, (regardless of planter) to the category of a silly cartoon.
Fobrien1 is at it again. He never learns, as he fails (again) to to expound on the meaning of the alleged inconsistencies, discrepancies, deficiencies...anomalies, he obsessively digs up; and fails also at explaining how any of those affect the final outcome. To do any of that, one needs to advance their own coherent theory of the crime. But there fobrien1 comes up empty again. Folks should keep in mind that Inconsistencies, discrepancies, unanswered questions, investigative shortcomings, etc. linger at the close of many cases, even simple traffic accidents. However, the preponderance of the evidence should always override such anomalous elements. This is why Oswald-alone is well-founded, decisive and correct.
Cliff Notes version: Every last thing fobrien1 has ever posted on YT about the JFK case is insignificant, and can be safely ignored.
It fell from a shallow wound in Connally's leg.
The Warren Commission IMHO was more focused on proving that the Soviets took no part in the assassination to prevent calls for war. That’s not unreasonable per se because we now realize that the Soviets probably preferred JFK to LBJ & there was still great awareness that WW1 set off by events that began w/an assassination.
Yeah Kennedy was espousing anti-war, and anti-imperialist rhetoric.... no reason for USSR to want to remove that. JFK opposed vietnam war, wouldn't invade Cuba, so basically he was going against everything that the military complex wanted. He literally said a peaceful resolution to the cold war, so that would mean no work for all these guys.
@@atmosrepair You're full of idle, useless speculation, if not full of something else.
@@atmosrepair but to be fair, every single president called for a peaceful end to the Cold War. Whether they meant it or not, they had to say it for domestic politics and international relations. You can't run for president/reelection saying you are going to start a war haha.
When someone famous dies, it's typical for people to look back at things they said and think they are more meaningful/relevant than they actually are.
@@grobbs666 this is the President that was in power at the peak of the Cold War. He was very open about in his American University speech. Diem was murdered only 3 weeks before JFK as he was eyeing a route out of Vietnam and Detente with Castro.
@@cheezoncrack1 again every president says publicly they want peace. Ronald Reagan for example said he wanted to end the Cold War peacefully, even pushed publicly to eliminate all nuclear weapons. Yet he spent countless billions of dollars building up the military and got us involved in several conflicts. So Kennedy saying in a speech he wanted peace doesn't really mean anything. Actions are what matters.
Not sure what assassination of Diem has to do with Kennedy assassination. First there's no evidence the CIA murdered him. There's evidence they knew it was going to happen, but not that they did it themselves. Second, Kennedy was President, so if it was a CIA operation, he would have had to order it and give the ok. Third, my mom was also born roughly 2 weeks before Kennedys assassination... that doesn't make it suspicious.
Point is, you can always go back at look at events right before a significant event and jump to the conclusion they must be somehow relevant. Right now as a thought experiment, you could pick a random world changing event you pretend happened, and look back at the last month and easily find countless quotes, speeches, events that seem to fit it. Like people seeing shapes in the clouds.
Anybody still trying to sell the lee harvey oswald lone shooter story , should really hang there heads in shame . My 5 year old knows that's bullshit..
really your 5yr old? i guess your point is the facts are obvious
i sure hope your 5yr old doesn't know crap about the subject
The Professor's comment about how the Warren Commission might have tried asking some of the witnesses of the actual shooting is kind of supported by the fact they DIDN'T take a statement, deposition, or anything else from one of the OTHER closest eye witnesses to the fatal shot.
His name was Mr Charles Brehm.
He was a 38 yr old man with perfectly normal faculties.
He was, at the time, a retired Army Ranger who had seen serious "action"; the likes of which I couldn't begin to imagine...
He had served during WWII as a younger man and had been part of the Normandy Invasion forces and was well acquainted with seeing and hearing rifle shots heading his way... (ever seen "Saving Private Ryan"???)
Did I mention he was one of the closest eye witnesses to the head shot?
I'll let you guess/research/assume where he told the cops the shots came from.
It might be that someone on the WC had seen his TV interview on the 22nd November 1963, and took that into consideration... or decided it wouldn't fit well with their lines of inquiry.
When a commission or committee can actually put Oswald IN that window, with that rifle, (not the Mauser they found), with evidence that he fired a rifle that day, I'll listen to what they have to say. And that needs to be more than the "Well, this is how he *could have done it*" that both the WC and HSCA came up with. (Nitrate evidence on his cheek would have been a start.)
Outstanding post. Mr Brehm was on the drivers side of the limo. I believe he stated that a piece of JFKs skull landed on the grass.
Yes, without checking, I'm sure that was Brehm. There are a number of eye witnesses who could describe the... characteristics... (for want of a better word) of the head wound, who were never called to or deposed by the WC.
In a proper trial, all these witnesses would have been called by Oswalds defence. And the prosecution would have had to show how and why this "Mass Hallucination" (that caused nearly 200 people to go charging toward the picket fence area to try and catch the shooter, including a Police outrider who got half way up the Grassy Knoll on his motorcycle before his vehicle decided it wasn't going to play...) happened. But of course, since there was never going to be any trial, any evidence that a defence lawyer might have used was just discarded.
It's really easy to win a case when you are the prosecutor, there is no defence, and you also happen to be the judge.
The Warren Commission could and should have done a better, proper, job. (And that applies to the HSCA as well.)
yes brehm was on the drivers side of elm or to jackies left on the edge of the grass . brehm said the shots he heard came from the direction of the depository .
however brehm was problematic . i mean i believe he was honest , but an honest person can be wrong . or he was right that atleast some shots came from the rear , which i have no doubt . brehm asked (recorded on film by mark lane ) if he saw the affect of the shot to jfks head , he replied yes . when asked in affect what he saw he replied that he saw a piece of jfks head fly rearwards and leftwards towards him and land by curb where he and his young son . he can be seen saying this on youtube either in a single video interview or in mark lanes rush to judgement from which the interview came .
jfk had passed the newmans and zapruders position , and was nearly at the knoll steps , brehm was all the way back up elm , approximately opposite the stemmons sign on the left side of elm . i would say that conservatively brehm was 30 feet to jfks left rear . that is the problem . officially a bullet entered the rear of jfks head sending brain / blood and skull FORWARDS , yet here is brehm saying that he watched a piece of jfks head fly all that way to the left rear .
now lone nut advocates will say that brehm took issue with lane , in that he felt that lane tried to make it look as tho he said the shots came from the knoll . lane didnt do that . what lane did was to show that while it does seem a shot or shots came from the rear of jfk that there is also evidence that tends to show a frontal shot may have struck jfk . brehm never disputed that he said he saw a piece of jfks head fly to the left rear over quite a distance and land at his feet , he couldnt ITS ON FILM .
lone nut advocates wont even address this , as to do so would mean they have to attack the credibility of their own witness . so its best for them to ignore it .
the warren commission , clark panel , hsca were not put together to perform proper investigations . earl warren had refused to chair the commission , until lbj told him in effect HE HAD TO if he didnt it could mean ww3 . very quickly warren told his fellow commissioners that he didnt want an investigation , that he wanted to simply review the fbi report . russell also didnt want to sit on the commission . lbj told him in essence it wont take long just review the fbi report . of course it ended up taking many months .
the clark panel was really put together to counter garrisons investigation .
the hsca started out as an honest investigation . when it became apparent that they were actually looking like they would do a proper job that is when the problems started . sprague and stokes etc were replaced , and blakey came in . he basically dropped his pants and bent over for the cia . the cia had control over what cia people were called and if they were called at all , and if called they controlled what they were questioned about .
the warren commission via specter lied about the position of the BACK wound and falsely placed it on the upper right neck .
the clark panel lied about the head wound entry location , they pushed it 4 to 5 inches higher up to the crown of the head , because the autopsy / warren EOP location was too low a wound to have come from the 6th floor window . dr humes vehemently protested this saying THERE NEVER WAS ANY WOUND IN THE CROWN AREA OF THE HEAD . the vehement protestations of the very man that performed jfks autopsy fell upon deaf ears .
the hsca went along with the above lie . they took testimony from bethesda witnesses who told them that jfk had a large wound in the back of his head . they sealed away those testimonies for a minimal of 50 years . they then added to their lie about the head and their sealing away of testimony that contradicted them by lying further about these witnesses , they states that all bethesda witnesses contradicted the parkland witnesses and agreed with the autopsy findings . LIES , they said jfk had a gaping wound in the back of his head jjust as parkland staff had said . 2 of these witnesses were fbi agents , they have shown us by attacking the lies that they were honest . they were sibert and oneil , you can see interviews with them on youtube . their report stating that the bullet that struck jfks BACK had no exit point and their statements about jfk having a gaping wound on the back of his head were kept from us . sealed away or buried . but now we have them .
the ARRB had a panel also . to a man they were warren commission supporters , i wonder how they got on that panel ? lol . they said in essence to members of their staff if you find anything conspiratorial WE DONT WANT TO SEE IT . but a lot of information was released by the ARRB but much remained sealed .
@@fobrien1 But remember 30 feet isn't far. It's ten yards. It's five men laid down head to toe... his position was probably one of the best suited to judge the direction of the shots from the sound.
As you say, he was close enough for part of the President's head to land at his feet.
Whatever else anyone might think of Mark Lane, and God knows he's had his detractors (How DARE he contradict the official story so soon after the death of the President! Think of Jackie and the kids!!!) he advocated for the man accused of the crime of the century having the same defence as any living suspect would have under the same circumstances. One of the most ironic complaints about him is that he made the evidence fit his case... Really?... I'm surprised DPD and the FBI didn't try to hire him on the spot when they heard that.
I was in my 20's when JFK was assassinated. It was the first murder ever seen on TV--deeply shocking to say the least. I watched and read everything available for some years on this. Nothing ever caused me to think that it was NOT a conspiracy. The simple fact that Ruby, a known lowlife, sauntered into the Dallas Police station and down the stairs with a gun in his pocket, through cops of every description, and right up to Oswald--probably the most important prisoner since John Wilkes Booth--and shot him point blank, should have been impossible unless it was planned. To me, that stinks to high heaven. I can never resolve that any other way. There were many other questions about this as well. The Warren Commission was a joke.
uuhh to my recollection , they did'nt show the killing of kennedy until 1975 on Geraldo Rivera's show .. i think your time table is off
Jack Ruby was a friend to many of those Police Officers at that station. He would bring donuts & coffee to the Officers at the station to help with the relationship with his strip club. He was a regular visitor there at the station. That is why Jack Ruby was able to enter the station & walk freely among them. Those allegations of mob ties are unfounded. The people close to Ruby say he killed Oswald because he killed the President of The United States. I believe those people because they have no reason to lie. Jack Ruby would die in prison & NEVER say anything about the MOB being involved. Instead focus attention on what happened at Parkland Hospital / Bethesda / Warren Commission. That is where all the cover ups happen. Not in Jack Juby's cell.
@@ag4allgood Yeah, but how about all the FBI, CIA, etc. that had gathered there. Ruby was not their buddy. I hold fast to my opinion that it was bizarre to let him into the station that day.
@@barefootdesigns It was a FRICKIN Police Station ! Not a CIA / FBI holding cell ! Get that part thru your head. Ruby had access were others didn't. Its your opinion that is fine. Its wrong though ! Ruby was in with the press & fit in with those officers plain & simple. Ruby was a familiar face there at that station.
@@ag4allgood Well yer right there,but please don't repeat nonsense that he wanted to spare Jackie a trial. He knew Oswald prior to the Assassination, and was neck deep involved in the conspiracy..as he said in statements and a letter after he was in Jail.
Ditto to Stephens Dygert. A lot of fog has been thrown up about acoustics in the Plaza and how that might have confused people as to where the shots came from. That could not be the case for the people on the grassy knoll, since they were so close to the fence from which the fatal shot was fired, they would have had two sensations : 1) the sound of the rifle; 2) the pressure or percussion wave that was created by the rifle shot. Any one who has spent any time at a firing range knows how unmistakable this pressure wave is, and how it is more reliable than the sense of sound in determining the direction from which a shot has been fired. I stood on the spot where those witnesses did, and the distances involved are closer than they appear in any photography or sketches of the scene. There is a reason why they all turned and pointed up at the fence, why people all ran up the hill toward the fence looking for the killer - not toward the Book Depository. Much as we might like to think such a thing could never happen in America, it was a bloody coup, and it was an inside job.
What physical evidence do you have for a shot from the grassy knoll?
@Laika24102007physical evidence, medical evidence, for starters shots above and behind the president. Not one piece of evidence show otherwise for a frontal shot, which you must know this but start acting silly about clips.
@@dustinkfc6633 ALL of the medical professionals, who were very experienced with gun shot wounds, saw a large exit wound on the _rear_ of Kennedy's head. What more do you need?
@@432b86ed not true
@@dustinkfc6633
Suit yourself.
Anybody else wonder about the government investigating assassinations being a conflict of interest?
Oswald was connected to the CIA etc.. who the hell else could have set him up to be the patsy.
To answer your question: the "government" is a twofold answer. States have their laws, and the federal governments laws Trump theirs. BOTH pursue investigational are required to do so
In this case anyone investigating it has a conflict of interest.
@@rusty3968, not really. Since Lincoln, the federal government is no longer subject to the state. Which is why the federal government demands two senators from every state every session. Prior to this, if the state didn't like what the federal government was doing, they wouldn't send senators so that nothing could pass through. (Yes, both unconstitutional and in violation of the Treaty of Paris, but Lincoln wasn't really interested in either.)
Allen Dulles, fired 3 weeks earlier, after a plot to assassinate Kennedy was foiled in Chicago that was exactly the same as the Dallas plot.
Couldn't answer a straight question if they wanted to.
Why hasn't a trial ever been done in the usa. .
A trial was done and is on RUclips. They found that Oswald was the lone assassin.
@@saffronsworld1508 Nope... every trial has ended up a hung jury.
That's a joke, right?
Showtime did conduct a mock trial with the participation of two major attorneys Vincent Bugliosi of Manson Fame and Jerry Spence. Extensive actual witness
1. No actual trial would ever be done. It is considered what is known as a "moot point" in the law, since Oswald is dead.
2. There was a mock trial done, as was mentioned by others, but that was a farce, as it was conducted ridiculously. Plus, only with the witnesses who agreed to take part and were probably paid to be there (no one was subject to answering a subpoena). The outcome was correct, of course. Oswald was the only person who had anything to do with the assassination. Spence's arguments were almost as stupid, crazy, baseless, and nonsensical as those Blakey is offering here.
I'll never be convenience that the assassination was not a conspiracy. Here are 2 facts that have been stated by more than one witness but not discussed here. First is that the second and third shots were almost on top of each other. Many witnesses have stated this. You can't do that w/ a cheap "bolt action" rifle I don't care how good of a shooter you are. Second...Texas Senator Ralph Yarborough and others in the motorcade stated as they drove to the Triple underpass away from the TSBD they smelled gun smoke. How can you smell gun smoke at ground level from a shot fire from behind 6 floors up? There was a second shooter at street/ground level.
How could Oswald, "live" as to answer the Warren Commission wrong pressentation. His lawyer would have torn them all apart. Hardy nothing would stand in court. Oscald is innocent till proven guilty
Oswald fired 3 shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD. They found 3 shells there and the murder weapon. How many shells did they find behind the stockade fence?
The clip for the Carcano rifle only held 4 rounds of ammunition...According to the police who found the gun, they said a round was chambered but not fired....The clip for this Italian rifle would’ve fallen off after the last(4th) round was chambered but it was on the weapon when found... which means it had to have been reinstalled before hiding it....If an assassin is going to do this, reinstall the clip, why not pick up the three spent cartridges as well...it looks more like a staged sniper’s nest
@@roberthussey595 Oswald kept his rifle in the Paine's garage. When did the conspirators remove the Carcano rifle from that garage? Who were they? This is your big chance.
@John Deagle ... before Oswald arrived at the Paine residence on the 21st...
Sam Holland the Railroad foreman in the overpass heard the report and saw the smoke across the fence. They didn't take him as a good witness . Three attempts on Sam Holland's life were attempted but all failed . Two of these resulted in Holland shooting perps .
I read this years ago and now can't find this information.
sam holland, thank you i want more infor on sam now railroaders are good witnesses. and 3attempts to kill him ha
The explanation of the smoke which shouln't have come from smokless powder is that the rifle had beeh in storage and was oiled up, so the smoke came from the oil in the barrel, Only one shot was fired.
@@bernardedwards8461 No that is absurd because they heard the report and saw smoke emanating from the stockade fence. Amazing how some people will say absolutely any crazy thing other than denying the obvious. At least one shot from the Grassy Knoll that struck JFK in the right temple.
@@vernpascal1531 I dont disagree.
Fletcher Prouty mentions this detail in his interview which is still on youtube.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was business partner, friend, and political Ally of David Harold Bryd who was the owner of the
Texas Schoolbook Depository Building on November 22, 1963.
David Harold Bryd was an big financial supporter of Lyndon
Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines Johnson wanted to be president of the United States so bad he was willing to kill
for the job. There was also the Cabell brothers, Charles
and Earl Cabell. Charles Cabell was Deputy CIA Director
under Allen Dulles, who both of these guys was fired by
President Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs because they
we're insubordinate toward him over lack of air power
supporting the Cuban Exiles in 1961. Charles P Cabell
in particular wanted President Kennedy dead over being
fired, Charles P Cabell was extremely pissed off
over his firing by President Kennedy, his brother
Earl Cabell was the mayor of Dallas, Texas on
November 22, 1963, Earl Cabell was in charge of
motorcades and parade routes. Lyndon Baines
Johnson had a lot of influence in the state
of Texas especially Dallas. Lyndon Baines Johnson
created the Warren Commission to cover his
butt. Allen Dulles being on the Warren Commission
was an big conflict of interest. Lee Oswald was an
flunky and so was Jacob Rubenstein. They hired
professional assassins and hitmen, a lot of
money was invested for this tragic event.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was ambitious, crazy and
ruthless. Johnson had his own personal Hitman
Malcom Mac Wallace. That museum is an joke.
Also, Byrd founded the Civil Air Patrol which had a 16yo Oswald as a member.
LBJ 's friend owned the building where Oswald worked and "took the shot".
People claim Oswald was "a marine". He was a lifelong fuckup who barely lasted before being kicked out. He was a convenient fall guy, but not the master assassin people claim. The Book depository distance, plus wind, plus moving target, plus multiple hits yet he couldn't get General Walker? BS!
Sir, I was in US Army for three years and zeroed my m16 in 1978 while in
Germany three rounds in same hole
dead center and was in common section, Oswald was in radar, LBJ
personal hitman Malcolm Mac Wallace was also on that sixth
floor, they found his fingerprint,
he graduated from University of
Texas, he was also a much better
shot than Lee Oswald, Wallace was
also once a Marine also and had
murdered several people for LBJ.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was ambitious, crazy and ruthless, he
created the Warren Commission
to cover his butt, Lee Oswald was
an funky, so was Jacob Rubinstein.
You don't know what you are talking
about.
Oswald didn't take a shot with that sorry, Lyndon Baines Johnson created the Warren Commision to
cover his behind, they had to kill
Oswald to shut him up because
no man like being exploited, Oswald
was much better man than Lyndon
Baines Johnson, he back was against the wall, the cop killing
was shady also Aliquippa Clemons
witnessed it, there were two men
at the scene, she was told to be quiet or that she would be hurt, this
was about a personal vendetta
with Oswald as the fall guy, President
Kennedy was setup. LBJ created Warren Commission to cover his butt, David Harold Byrd was awarded
several government contacts after
LBJ took over the Whitehouse, Bryd
also owned Tempco, Lyndon and Bryd made lots of money.
There’s no point in the Govt withholding documents from 1963 that don’t divulge methods of espionage. All documents that were initially sealed for 75 years should be released to the public. Whether or not there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, Oswald’s interactions w/various govt agencies were suppressed, at a minimum to avoid criticism as to why no one took precautions regarding Oswald during the President’s visit.
The last time the Government held documents and it took 75 years to find out the truth was...The little-told story of how the U.S. government (FBI) poisoned alcohol during Prohibition with deadly consequences.
Perhaps records were concealed because possibly Kennedy bore a child by some other woman. I don't know what that would have any baring in the assignation but to protect the good name of Kennedy and those of his child. Who knows??
@@johntodd8854 when the documents were first sealed some people thought it meant that there was evidence that the Soviets were involved since Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union so the public might demand retaliation that could result in a nuclear war but those emotions would subside by the times 75 years had passed. But others believe it’s a red herring issue done in an attempt to lead people to that theory so that they would not come up with a theory that was true. I believe that the Soviets were not involved. If Oswald was indeed a patsy then it was very dangerous to use him & risk nuclear war. If elected, RFK was going to use his office to get to the bottom of it. If RFKs murder was also a conspiracy then IMHO it was the same ppl who killed JFK.
Oswald had absolutely no connection with shooting - what the hell are you wittering on about..the bullet that blew jfk's rear head off came from the front and low.
@@naradaian People often forget that JFK was wearing an extensive back brace. IMHO Oswald might have fired shots but that doesn’t eliminate a conspiracy. If you watch the Zapruder film frame by frame & account for the back brace the fatal shot might have come from behind, whether or not fired by Oswald. Witnesses indicate more than one person in the School Book Repository. Regardless, Oswald’s issues, whether or not real, were documented to the point that he should have been on the list of ppl visited by either FBI or Secret Service & prohibited from being anywhere near the President’s motorcade route that day. That was standard procedure even in 1963. Of that had happened maybe another patsy would’ve been set up.
Do you really think oswald could shoot that well?
@J M Not good enough to shoot Magic Bullets and Neurospasms..No one has ever done that before or after...
Using a junk rifle, by anyone's standards , with a scope out of aliment no less !
What a ludicrous group of puppets on this stage ! Fascinating they can actually find anyone still believing this nonsense. Everything this first speaker mentions and tries to promote as truthful evidence has substantial evidence against it. This poor lemming acts as if there has never been good solid evidence to the contrary. ...Is he a deceitful old fool or simpzly a ignorant fool ? Is that the premise of this talk . I wonder what his family thinks of him...lol
Easy shot. Oswald could have hit JFK with a slingshot.
Having fired 10, rounds from a 6.5 Carcano locked in a bench rest, 3 friends one a gunsmith, a Carcano in excellent condition pristine rifling, and at 25 yards it never placed 2 bullets within 6 inches of any other shot. The further away the greater the inaccuracies. Oswald might have actually score a hit, but only one. Then Hale Boggs, disappeared on a campaign flight assisting another politician in Alaska, no wreckage has ever been found. Hale Boggs was the dissenting vote on the Warren Commission findings.
Nope, not with that POS gun.
Frangible round to the front right side of the head "fist sized" exit ( Dr's at Parkland ) at the low right rear of the head eliminates the single shooter "theory".....
@Ken Amaro: What you described does not align with the established facts of the case, so it "eliminates" nothing.
@@stddisclaimer8020 the "facts" were described by the Dr's at Parkland who were in the trauma room with the body of the president. They described the rear and lower portions of the presidents head as a " fist sized" blow out ( an exit wound ). This is what people who treated gunshot wounds stated. How many gunshot wounds have you treated? They were there, where you?
@@kenamaro3942 You've got it all wrong, bucko. Four out of five Parkland ER doctors testified that while treating the President, they saw nothing which contradicts the autopsy findings. They were there, and you were NOT. Why was the wound to your own head left untreated? Could it be the reason you leave such foolish comments?
The Warren Commission got the order of shots wrong. We now know the first shot missed, not the second shot. Which gave LHO about 8.6 seconds to make all 3 shots. The little girl running along limo stops at the sound of the first shot and immediately turns her head towards the TSBD.
And at the same time, an SS agent on the rear left of the follow-up can be seen leaning over to see the firecracker that he thought someone had thrown against the side of the limo.
Oswald did not fire the headshot. OBVIOUSLY. Have you NOT seen the Zapruder film or are you blind?
Zapruder film proves fatal shot came from behind. Frame 313 - you will see the blood and brain matter exiting the front of JFK's head along with the 3rd bullet that then impacted the inside of the limo windshield and was found on limo floor. FRAME 313.
@@bens.664, obviously you are blind, because the photo evidence including Zapruder film clearly proves all 3 bullets came from the direction of the 6th floor depository.
From what I remember from what I have learned about the JFK Assassination I remember these things. When I was in High School I remember my Spanish Language Teacher telling the Class that when He was in the CIA they found evidence that one of the Bullets that Hit the President was travelling in an upwards direction and there was no way that where Oswald was supposedly Firing from that could be Possible. Also British Intelligence discovered that when President Kennedy was Hit by the Fatal Head Shot that there was a Storm Drain directly to the Right of the Motorcade and that back in 1963 it was Possible for a Person to Fit in there. After the Shots were Fired the Person who was Firing from that location could have then travelled through the underground Drainage System and then make an exit. That could explain why if there was another Shooter from that location why one of the Bullets that Hit the President was travelling in an Upwards Direction and why everyone who was there during the Shooting never visually saw that Person who was Shooting at the President.
Johnny Rosselli
Huh?
Bill Bonanno claimed in his book “Bound by Honor” that Mafioso Johnny Roselli told him (Bonanno) that he (Roselli) shot Kennedy from a storm drain in Dealey Plaza. Gianni Russo tells the same story in a “VladTV” RUclips video.
@@denniswatts4658 he’s full of it
You are absolutely correct👍🏼
The sad reality of this case is I went into this RUclips posting and just read the comments without playing the video. Because if I want to hear truth on this matter, the people making the comments here are more believable than the people on that panel. Great comments everyone!!
Conflicting Conclusions. Great Title for a country song. I deeply respect Mr Blakey for bringing up the George Joannides matter. You could have devoted the entire discussion to that alone. Lol. The matter confirms the investigation was compromised by CIA. The matter confirms LHO had a operational relationship with CIA..In 1963 George Joannides had a field operational role as Case Officer. Running the DRE a anti Castro revolutionary group. Funded and conducted everything from disinformation operations to assaults on Cuba it's self. He had the group when they had their contacts with LHO in New Orleans the summer of 63. When LHO was both anti Castro..And pro Castro withing like a weeks time. Staging a bogus fight in street with LHO. Staged according to the opinion of a New Orleans Police supervisor involved in publicly arresting LHO. This is a clear and present indication of a field operational relationship with LHO. The HSCA had an agreement with CIA that no one operational from that time would work with the committee. All to continue, to create an intelligence senario involving LHO. I think he finally figured it out somewhere around 2nd floor Coke machine. What a time to enjoy a cold beveridge. Lmao.
Best books on the possible LHO/CIA connection? I always wondered if his time in the USSR was spywork.
@@cheezoncrack1 LHO was sent undercover into the Soviet Union to gain Communist credentials so to speak, so he could possibly get to Castro with with the monkey serum developed by Dr. Oshner from the Oshner clinic in New Orleeans. LHO was definitely a CIA operative, no question about it.
Thank you,I found this very interesting.
2 forensic pathologist at Bethesda Dr Hume and Boswell had never in their entire career, an autopsy based on gunshot wounds? Incredible. Only until the next day after the magic bullet was found on a gurney, did they change the story back in Bethesda that the bullet was an exit wound not an entrance wound as previous thought. They were confused by the trach performed on the wound made in the emergency room. The drawings from that autopsy shows the bullet hitting the back of the head, clearly not taking the account of 26 witnesses on the grassy knoll who said they heard shot or shots from the grassy knoll. The Warren Commission did not account for any of the 26 witness accounts in their report. Remember this was before the Zapruder film came out.
Robert Baker. Neither Humes nor Boswell was a forensic pathologist. Only Pierre Finck was. And he showed up half an hour after it started. Hmmm.
@@howieduin915 and by his own testimony at the clay shaw debachle did next to nothing.
Your claims are weak and unconvincing.
@@peterfraser9070 they are a group of facts not claims, how unconvincing they are has more to do with your bias than anything else.
Can you expand on why he made sense the way he spun those "facts" around? I'd love to hear that.
But one thing we know is that President Johnson and Mr. Hoover had already decided the tune. (the lone nut theory) Thus we only have to see who they got to dance to the tune.
When ever something odd or different that harms others all's you have to do to find the guilty is look for those that had something to gain. Oswald had nothing to gain. He died. Left his wife a widow. His children without a father. Dulles was fired by Kennedy. He got revenge. Johnson became President without even running for President. It was a coupe de ta .
@@PJ-uu5ef Dulles had Kennedy killed.
@@realitychannelwithtomparos8238 I am sure he was at the table when this murder was planned. I just think of who had something to gain from his death. The names LBJ,Dulles,Hoover,Organized Crime,the people they were trying to drill for oil around Cuba. The people wanting to stay in Vietnam. This murder took a lot of people to cover up. So the FBI,CIA,Secret Service had to have some part also. It wasn't one person.
Thus we know what tune you are dancing to, don't we?
Absolutely fantastic debates like this makes RUclips so worth while.
There were 18 doctors that noted a large wound in the right occiput with pieces of brain, cerebellum, as well as an entry wound in the neck. Fragments of bullets were embedded in Connelly. The autopsy at Bethesda, by 2 docs that never did a GSW autopsy, show a picture of small hole in the right occiput, small hole right scapula area, and no record of a neck wound, but after discussing with Parkland, modified their report to include a hole in the neck. They didn't find a bullet, even after taking out the lungs, so they concluded, that during cpr, the bullet fell out, and was found pristine at Parkland. The pristine bullet weigh was < 1.5% of it's actual weight, but bullet fragments were removed @ Parkland weighing more, and noted in the nursing notes. Conley was buried with bullet fragments in him. During the Zapruder film, it's clear, while JFK is shot, holding hands to neck, Conley is not, and holding his stetson, and turning around to see what's up with JFK. The single bullet could not have hit both men at the same time.
100%
@@rickjensen2833 yeah 100% wrong
I strongly disagree. I think it’s very clear from the Zapruder film that they were shot at the same time by the same bullet. They both react together and it’s so clear it baffles me when people say they can’t see it.
You can also see from the motion of JFK’s head on the fatal shot that it comes from directly behind him as the right side exit wound lines up with the SS car. Hickey shot him with the AR15 by mistake when he was preparing to return fire at the 6th floor window. That’s why they rushed the car off for cleaning, the AR15 was never tested, all footage that would show the SS car at the Moment of impact was destroyed. You try and find any footage of the headshot with the follow up car in the frame - you can’t because they destroyed it all to protect Hickey.
@@Modelo118 but they found THREE shells on the 6th floor, so that Hickey shot would be FOUR shots and most of the witnesses said they heard 3.
they noted a large EXIT wound and not that obviously faked neat little entry wound. The throat wound was also from the front, so that means people at the highest levels of government tampered with, destroyed evidence, and forged photographs. There are no shortage of witnesses that prove this. Paul Connor, Dr Crenshaw, etc. Also, as world famous forensic pathologist Dr Wecht noted, there are more grains and bullet fragments visible in the xray of John Connally's wrist and forearm than could have possibly came from that pristine, undamaged bullet that someone planted on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. The US is being controlled by gangsters that we never elected and make all these illegal decisions in secret without our knowledge, consent, or approval. As Edward Snowden revealed to the world, they are still running the show and have no regard for the law or the Constitution. We are still being run by gangsters. Trump, whether you like him or not, knew about their existence and wouldn't do what they told him to. That is why there was a viscous , unrelenting assault on Trump even before he beat that vile pig/puppet Hillary and that attack continues to the present.
While I like to hear these people talk about this event. I would MUCH rather hear an interview with the Detective that did a crime scene analysis Colin McLaren. It would turn the conversation from a flat line to a fever pitch !
colin (agent hickey did it ) mclaren ? . please . there was first a book and then a tv documentary , the book was mortal error , the documentary based on the book was THE SMOKING GUN . the author / publisher of the book were sued not once but three times , one was by hickey . they settled all law suits . hickey thought he could then die in peace and his family could rest easy from that BS . after he died that BS was resurrected in that god awful documentary . if what they said about hickey was true and they could prove it why didnt they do so in a court of law instead of paying out for lawsuits ? .
@@fobrien1 You obviously didn't read the book or see the documentary ! The evidence is there ! Your BLIND ! The trial never went to court because of the money involved & fighting the government ( Secret Service ). Why do you think NO AMERICAN detective would touch what McClaren did ? McClaren being a foreigner can't be threatened or punished like any American would be ! Use your brain. Instead of being a sheep & believe what the government wants us all to believe ! Ballistics tell the TRUTH ! Eye witnesses backup that TRUTH ! Unfortunately so many have passed away.
"You obviously didn't read the book or see the documentary ! The evidence is there ! Your BLIND ! The trial never went to court because of the money involved & fighting the government ( Secret Service )"@@ag4allgood
let me see here if i understand you alan . you appear to be saying that they HAD PROOF that hickey shot jfk , proof that would have won them all 3 law suits . HOWEVER they decided not to go to court with all this case winning proof and instead decided to hand out a lot of cash in 3 lawsuits ? .
i am the reincarnation of jesus, im serious .,.
@@fobrien1 Witness the ongoing childish copy n' paste job of the original comment. Fobrien1 wears his name tag inverted so he can look down and recall to whom he's speaking.
Convenient conclusions to put the issue to bed. It's amazing what actual details are coming out now that were simply brushed under the rug back then, and also totally ignored in this discussion.
If anyone was ever to spend any time shooting with a similar rifle you'll know within a day that the headshot was from in front of JFK. It's really simple physics.
Half an hour into this video and I have to turn it off! Neither gentlemen talked one second about evidence that has come forward over the years. In particular, the Zaputo film that shows JFK's head being thrown very violently to the back and the statements made by the doctors at Parkland who inequitably state there was an entry wound on the right temple with almost the entire back of JFK's skull being blown out of the back. Neither of these pieces of evidence could have been done by a rifle being shot towards the back of JFK's head! All these two men seem to want to talk about are the parts they themselves took in the investigation. Both flawed! The Sixth Floor Museum has a LOT to lose when the true killers of the president are discovered. The shots DID NOT come from the museum - impossible unless the government invented a bullet that could turn 180 degrees reverse from how it was shot! This symposium is ridiculous!
Hi, just before the shot to the head, his head goes forward a little
Excellent post Kathy!
The zapruda film has been doctored,my opion he was shot once from behind n once from in front
@@neil2550 they showed the film in slow motion and it look like his head goes forward a few inches before it goes back, think he was shot twice in the head,
@@rickraybourn7456 I'll have to take a closer look,,I thought that zapruda film had been altered in some way,prior to anyone seeing it,as LIFE magazine,had bought the rights to it ,,from some astounding $$$ ,,n didn't show it ,because ,,it probably been doctored before they got their hands on za Film?
The Warren Commission. Was tasked prior to it's creation. To create a product. J Edgar Hoover advises LBJ he is very much concerned that " There be something issued. " To Convince The Public. "That LHO is the lone assassin'. That says a lot. As it relates to integraty and fruits from such tasking. There was a reason the late Earl Warren cried. When this task was forced upon him by LBJ. J Edgar Hoover never went to Dallas that day to take charge personally of the investigation. He decides within hours that LHO is guilty and the case closed. This alone makes no sense in 1963 or 2021.
They were appointed by lbj as window dressing. LBJ’s own directive was to go along with hoovers report . In his recruitment if senator Russell, LBJ mentions there is more involved in this assassination. He's referring to Oswalds connections to the soviets and Cuba. That was the lever that shut down a legit investigation, which would be to investigate a possible conspiracy. It's all on tape of lbj and senator Russell as lbj tells Russell he has to serve and do his his patriotic duty to prevent millions dead.
Who's the clown on the left ? Ask Blakey why both Ruchard Soeague and Robert Tannenbaum resigned from their positions with the HSCA ..
Ask these dopes , why in Tip O ' Neill book , that Dave Powers had admitted that he had heard shots from in front of the motorcade , but changed his testimony to pacify the Kennedy family.
Q. Why wasn't Bill Newman called to testify as one of the closest witnesses to the assassination.
A. ' I HAVE NO IDEA'
MY INTERPRETATION. Because we heard and saw him on TV and his testimony would not suit our remit which was, ' Only find evidence that Oswald acted alone'.
No winner. Too much water under the bridge and the speakers have lost their sharpness.
I disagree facts on first guys side
Lost there sharpness what has that got to do with the facts?
Literally dozens of people from at least 3 different vantage points saw and heard and smelt the lethal shot from the knoll behind the fence and 20 doctors drew a entry/exit pattern and injury consistent with those ballistics - which was then changed in the official autopsy to a injury consistent with a shot from behind. That was always enough for me to know something sinister happened there - 20 trauma surgeons don't all make the same mistake at the same time over such a simple issue
Indeed.
Everything I’ve seen leads me to think the back of the head cratered inward and the front blew forward and out. The fractures are visible on the X-ray and people describe a bone hinge in back that witnesses say is being covered by the scalp being stretched over it. Why they chose not to photograph without the scalp stretched over the bone damage as well, that I don’t know, but the X-rays and descriptions cover it. They say they had trouble measuring the skull deficit because fractures radiating from it confused the matter. That don’t show these radiating fractures on the drawings. It seems like an effort to simplify the trajectory that backfired because it excludes effects of the entry wound that all the witnesses were impressed by.
Wrong …
1. No bullets were found other than Oswald’s.
2. No other shooters were ever identified.
3. Witnesses agreed there were 3 shots. Oswald’s gun fired 3 shots. There were 3 casings there to prove the point.
How did they "see or hear" the fatal knoll shot when that didn't even exist? Kenendy was hit twice from behind, so forget about a bullet throwing his upper-body back like that, that's a joke.
Someone shooting from the knoll is crazy. That means there was a shooter on ground level, amongst the crowd and shooting from metres from where Zapruder was standing. In the grassy knoll scene in JFK movie they had a lot of practical problems setting up that shot. There was a sign and obstacles which made it impossible for a gunman to track the limo at all, it just appear from behind a sign. The special effects guys also tried a number of rifles to try and get the smoke people claimed they say and smelled. They said none of them put out any smoke, so they ended up using special effects to fake that part. Dealey plaza is small, there were people everywhere. Having a gunman just on ground level in a place like that is all the proof anyone should need to know that's crazy.
The print was pulled from the rifle by the Dallas police. They had it and there was confusion due to multiple jurisdictions.
Plausible deniability is always the highest goal of any criminal plot. Without which nothing else can be gained.
The plot was designed to make it look as if it was an aberration, when in fact it was a continuance of Govt. There are so many basic obvious things that were not done, far too many for coincidence, and so many really good witnesses ignored, that if you only look at the surface... sure it sounds like a Lone Communist Nut did it.
And too many suspicious deaths of people involved in the case to put down to coincidence. But those who desire the Official Fiction will always find a way to make an elephant hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy.
@@david-spliso1928 The so-called "suspicious" death list of witnesses is entirely bogus. We are able to demonstrate the point, witness by witness. Try it. (Feel lucky, punk?)
"And too many suspicious deaths of people involved in the case to put down to coincidence.": Are you so sure?? This came from a sensationalistic author who has an obvious financial motive.
AT LEAST 4 SHOTS WERE FIRED. The first shot MISSED and hit the street. The second shot hit Kennedy and "maybe" Connolly as well. Another shot missed and went through the Limo Windshield. Then Connolly was shot, and he himself believes that he was shot by a separate bullet. Lastly, Kennedy's head was blown wide open by a violent blast from the right front. That adds up to at least 4 shots and possibly 5. Please explain how you can come to the conclusion that only 3 shots were fired?
Thanks for clearing up everything
Zapruder film shows Kennedy's head initially move forward as his brain blows out the front, then a neural reflex back jerking of his body.
@@baxterscruggs1716 My pleasure.
When seeking the truth, lawyers are the last people to find it. These are two of the last survivors remaining, therefore, it is unlikely the truth will ever be found.
Huh?
@@MartynCollins Yep! You got it.
You wouldn't recognize truth if it was staring you right in the face.
Thanks for a slightly fractious debate. Two professionals duking it out with facts. Happy to hear grownups who were actually involved with the official investigations discussing this famous case.
This story is going to run on and on for centuries partly to keep this tourist museum running as well as book authors and RUclips video makers. But still interesting stuff despite that.
Question #1 is the Zapruder film altered? If you watch the zapruder film then you will see that JFK's very first movement after being shot in his head is to move forward for a split second and then it's back and to the left. Many people theorize that he was shot 2 times near simultaneously in the head, once from the front then one from the back. You can also see the black out behind JFK's head in the zapruder film.
#2 why did he move back and to the left? If he was shot from the back by LHO then why does he jerk backwards? I realize the limo nearly stopped and then sped up but i don't see that making him jerk backwards the way he did cause remember the film definitely shows his very first head movement to be forward after being shot in the head.
#3 Connelly sure doesn't look like he's shot at the same time as JFK in the film. Hell even Connelly himself said he didn't believe he was shot at the same time.
#4 What does the skin flap of skull tell us? I don't see how JFK could of been shot from the side or an angle that goes into the side of his head cause of that flap and there would of been damage to his left side of his head.
#5 Clint hill and the bike cops all said blood and brain matter sprayed them while Connelly said he saw the limo and himself and wife just sprayed with matter. Would a back head shot cover Clint hill and those cops behind the limo?
#6 Boom......Boom..Boom. so many reliable witnesses describe the last two shots as being close together. This to me I'd one of the smoking guns to the fact that LHO could not have fired those last two shots just by himself. But if there were more than 3 shots then why do most of the witnesses not hear the other 4,5 or 6 shots if there was that many? We're the snipers firing at the same time to throw people off?
#7 missing pictures that could of showed people on the 6th floor or other places. Two instances that i know of where people claimed to have photos that showed other people up on those floors or windows and both times authorities lost or damaged the photos. Plus i will always believe that Mary Ann Moore had to have taken more pics especially when the president was coming down Elm street cause why would someone wait to take a pic when the president had done passed you by? We see her with her camera to her face and your telling me that she took just that one pic? I don't believe it.
First off people say the film was altered. When I ask them was it the original or one of the 3 first day copies, all I get is crickets from them. Answer: None of the films were altered.
JFK's head does indeed go forward at frame 312.
The head is propelled forwards on impact 2.5 inches in less than 1/18th second.
85% or the visible blood spatter is forwards of the rear of the head.
The head is also pushed down on impact
At frame 313 we see him appear to go backward. Take in mind he had bad back problems and was wearing a very confining back brace designed to keep him upright. This is the "back and to the left effect" you see in frame 313.
All ballistic evidence leads to Oswald's rifle. Of which was found on the sixth floor with his prints on it.
@@ronaldsimmons7638 On one hand I truly believe LHO was the lone gunman and the official story is correct but there will always be questions. The past 20 years I've realized there's alot of myths and things that were just not true that has diminished conspiracies in my opinion. It's so hard not to fall in that trap of everything is a cover up or that the Cia has all these people out here lying and spreading misinformation cause that's just not the case. I still think there's more to the story and could probably be things that we don't even know about or that were ever documented from that fateful day. The zapruder film Idk if it's been altered but there are missing frames and it doesn't show the limo briefly stopping that we all know it did for whatever reason. The first man to work with the zapruder film Dino even said that the film he saw was different and he worked with the film for the Cia photo imaging department to make briefing boards. He is a very reliable witness and I found his interviews fascinating. Just so many strange incidents happened that day and afterwards that one must entertain the idea of a conspiracy. I don't know what happened,I mean you have people who actually believe that the driver shot him lmao,it's rediculous after a certain point. Wish Connelly or Mrs Connelly would of let those bullet fragments get taken out cause that could of been huge but of course that didn't happen. I'll tell you someone that interests me is Jack Dougherty. I do believe there could be alot more to him than we will ever know but that's just an opinion.
@@mrsinister8943 Actually I don't believe the cia has people out there spreading mis-infomation. It's actually the conspiracy authors doing that.
For years Oliver Stone and others have claimed the body was removed illegally. Not true according to Texas law gave Judge Theran Ward the authority to conduct an inquest, as defined in Chapter 49 .01.(2) of the Code as ' an investigation into the cause and circumstances of a death of a person, and a determination, made with or without a formal Court hearing, as to whether the death was caused by an unlawful act or omission .' Under 49.05.(5) of the Code, Ward also had the following authority 'A Justice of the Peace may direct the removal of the body from the scene of death or move any part of the physical surroundings of a body only after a law enforcement agency is notified of the death and a Peace Officer has conducted an investigation..'
@@ronaldsimmons7638 The body was removed illegally. The coroner in Parkland, Dr. Earl Rose, tried to prevent the Secret Service from removing the body
@@ronaldsimmons7638 I watched a 1st generation copy of the Zapruder Film when it was first released to the general public. The film that has been circulating the internet is an altered copy/copies.... There are frames missing from the original. That limo came to a stop for at least 2 seconds. The president was hit in the front of the head, then the driver started to slowly move forward.....
As for that magic bullet, The president was struck in the throat from the front, as Governor Connally was turning to him, then yelled, ''They're trying to kill us.'', while still holding his hat in his right hand,so no that bullet didn't hit him. Next he (Connally) was hit by at least one but possibly two bullets.. The limo was shipped back to Dearborn, Michigan to the Ford Rouge Facility, where the windshield (which had a bullet hole in it) was replaced, along with any of the interior that contained usable evidence...
2 spent shells were initially found in the TSBD. The police took photos of them ,you can see these in books like "Impossible:the case against LHO". Then one of the police claimed he had the 3rd one and had put it in his pocket and carried it around. Sounds a lot like the disappearing Mauser rifle that was first found.
Sound sa lot like someone's story that they suddenly came up with 30 years after the fact as some kind of revenge against their former colleagues that they never did like. You're a sucker.
And the 3 spent shells found was from a 7.65 mouser NOT a 6.5
This video was made for dis information purposes..
We ALL KNOW JFK was shot twice from the front and once in the back at MINIMUM..
Another round hit a concrete curb.
Another round ran into the grass and was found
That's FIVE shots at minimum.
Peddle your lies somewhere else.
Because you say so.
It’s September 28, 2023 today. Will the Sixth Floor Museum host a program which explores the recent revelations of a secret service agent who in effect states that he tampered with evidence, a bullet discovered in the presidential limousine, and then concealed that fact for years thereafter as explored in a recent Vanity Fair article?
First of all how can anyone in their right mind tell from a photograph whether or not one rifle is the same as another rifle unless it has some really serious demarcations but without the serial numbers it's a little tricky to pick the right rifle
I always wondered who Jim Henson modeled Waldorf and Statler after. Now I know...
Priceless!!
You'll be their age sooner than you think, if you're not already.
@@jimcole4692 -- I'm 75 and my once 8 cylinder brain now only fires on 2.
Why no discussion of James Files self confessed grassy knoll shooter who states 1 shot -hollow point bullet--hence the head explosion. Check out his interview on You Tube and decide for your self if this workman of Nickolas Nicolletti / Johnny Roselli ticks all the right boxes
Nobody wants to publish the truth. There's still people involved that are alive. Just for the fact the files are confident for 50 years tells the whole story.
Files knows a lot but he is very clearly telling someone else’s story. They don’t grab a driver to be a shooter at the last minute for the biggest job they’ll ever do. They wouldn’t leave evidence like a murder weapon hanging around for his cousin to shoot at birds with. His story is implausible. But I do think it’s someone’s story.
Marchello, Chicago mob, etc could do it... but not cover it up as happened. LBJ. Hoover, etc. could and did cover their @ss on this. Files himself on tape stated he did not know everything... just that he was to take the shot if JFK not obviously fatally wounded. Mob was double-crossed by Kennedy family, Johnson was facing RFK trying to get rid of him, and Hoover faced mandatory retirement. After JFK is dead LBJ is prez and reverses Vietnam plan, Hoover gets exemption and stays in place. Mob no longer getting prosecuted by RFK, etc says to me only a half dozen folk needed.Not a hard assassination to get away with IF you have LBJ & Hoover blocking investigations. "Why Ruby?" certainly points at need to shut Oswalds mouth.
Probably no one picked files out of available pics an videos to prove he was actually there. He in prison don't have to worry about a Mafia hit. Many researchers videos don't mention him so files words probably has no evidence to back up his words
When the crooked investigate and debate the crooked the truth is never known.
"When the crooked investigate and debate the crooked the truth is never known.": When the ignorant make these kinds of comments, then their ignorance is always shown.
@@peterfraser9070 my comment is truthful and accurate. Wake up brown nose.
They need him to he the only one. Oswald who was a radar operator asked to have an early discharge, it was granted by the marines, he left for Europe. While in Europe he defected to the USSR and denounced the USA and surrendered his passport to the US embassy in Moscow. The State department, FBI can CIA were notified of his actions at the height of the cold war. How did he get passports for himself and his family? Who authorized the passports? if you start at this point in time we will find all the connections to the government we need to know it was a conspiracy.
"They need him to he the only one": And you need him not to be the only one so you can have your beloved conspiracy theory and fun mystery. It is interesting, though, so I don't blame you.
The establishment never gives up.
There right in this case
Here's just another thing. recently Chester Boyers died he was at Bethesda Hospital,lab Technician,anyway he believed the official story OK? Fine,but he was certain of the head wound entrance about an inch to the right of the EOP and above so...if he's correct then the official photos,trajectories are completely wrong.
@@vernpascal1531 Let me get this because Boyers believes this or you say he believes this how would you actually verify he really believes this that would be the end of it the head shot came from the front what do you think people just fell off the turnip truck well you know i know better seems like youre up to your old tricks incomplete info half truths rumors and just flat out lies can be dangerous
@@randyharris3175 -What I was driving at with Boyers was if you believe him and The Autopsy Doctors then The HSCA, and Clark panel were blatant frauds. You want to believe the official story at all costs,so you will believe in wounds no one saw! And vanishing wounds seen by several!
@@randyharris3175 your grammar is awful. I truly believe that anybody that can't formulate proper grammar, most likely doesn't have the capacity for critical thinking or serious research.
Howard Donahue figured it out back in 1992, and in 2017 the final piece of the horrific truth was revealed.
Carlos Bringuier and Petr Deriabin figured it out in 1963 🇺🇸
@@kxkxkxkx The DPD had the case solved in a matter of hours.
@Mark Delgado: There is no evidence whatsoever of an AR-15 being fired that day in Dealey Plaza.
RFK figured it out back in 1964, and the conclusion wasn't anything like the Warren.
"Howard Donahue figured it out back in 1992, and in 2017 the final piece of the horrific truth was revealed": Yes, horrific in the sense that all these CT people have been the dupes of people like Mark Lane, etc. You must feel like a bit of a fool.
If this is from the six floor museum; you can tell what the outcome will be.
They have conspiracy theorist there all the time.
My God that is a ignorant statement .Blakey was the head man of the HSCA
What about the bullet that went through the windshield of the limo?
KENNEDY WAS HIT IN THE BACK , THROAT AND HEAD 2 X ,., THATS 4 SHOTS ,, CONNOLLY POSSIBLY STRUCK 2 TIMES , THE LIMO GLASS 1 SHOT AND IM SURE I SAW ONE GLANCE OFF THE BACK OF THE TRUNK UPPER LEFT END BEHIND MRS KENNEDY ...AND LETS NOT FORGET THE GUY WAS GRAZED ON THE CHEEK BY THE UNDERPASS ... THERE HAD TO BE AT LEAST 3 TEAMS OF SHOOTERS AND POSSIBLY A FEW OTHER CRACKPOTS BEHIND THE BURGOLA JUST BEHIND ZAPRUDER , A GRASSY KNOLL SHOPTER , DAL -TEX SHOOTER .. ECT ... LOTS OF KILLERS IN THAT SMALL AREA YET FEW WITNESSES SQUEALING
Funny how that is rarely discussed despite clear photographic evidence as well as video testimony from a nurse who was there and clearly saw the damage.
A front end miss from the grassy knoll..into the grass near the manhole..it may still be there.
Pretty sure it ended up in JFK's head.
Update guys. Im in Texas in the Airforce at Sheppard Airforce base. Im going to visit Dealey Plaza for the first time. Super excited. Hope Covid doesn't ruin my chances to go to the 6th floor museum and ask staff where's the 2nd Sniper's nest exihibit.
Everyone heard two shots which came one quickly after the other. How is that explained?
How is the bullet trajectory explained from low on Kennedy's shoulder travelling upward to exit his throat.
How is it possible for Connolly to hear the bullet that shot through Kennedy's neck and then hit his (Connolly's ) shoulder?
It seems that the acoustic analysis suggesting grassy knoll shooter was discredited.
"Everyone heard two shots which came one quickly after the other. How is that explained?"
Dealey Plaza had lots of echoes. Not "everyone" heard the shots as you describe.
"How is the bullet trajectory explained from low on Kennedy's shoulder travelling upward to exit his throat."
It's because he was leaning forward. This is easily shown in sketches of the position of his body.
"How is it possible for Connolly to hear the bullet that shot through Kennedy's neck and then hit his (Connolly's ) shoulder?"
Huh? We know that Connally was reacting to the shot.
"It seems that the acoustic analysis suggesting grassy knoll shooter was discredited."
Yes it was.
Don't forget, the Z Film shows it was 5 point something seconds between the 2nd and 3rd shots. The guys on the 5th floor right below Oswald said they heard 3 evenly spaced shots. Others said this too. The bullet entered just above the shoulder- yes, you guessed it, above the exit. That bullet was proven to have come from Oswald's rifle, we know his rifle was fired from the 6th floor, how the heck do you think it could have entered low and gone up? Connolly said said he didn't hear - or more correctly - he said he doesn't remember hearing the shot that hit him.
Upward angle slighns with many researchers that a Mafia sniper was in storm drain culvert right in front of limo when driver slowed way down then last fatal shot. Angle from storm drain surely looks very possible for last awful shot not even 15 ft away. Read many comments where you see on some of film footage a motorcycle cop points towards storm drain area as limo sped away to hospital
@@davidwilliams4498 i can't picture how it could be done from storm drain though. It would have to be low under the curb ...don't know.
Police office said at the scene of the shooting you could put a pencil through the bullet hole of the front windscreen. This was confirmed by examining doctor who saw the bullet in the front windscreen. So was JFK shoot from the front which showed his head flinging backwards not fordwards as per video?
Obviously shot from front.
Don't forget.. Jackie was trying to retrieve part of Jack's skull from the truck of the limo..behind THEM. Not helping Agent Hill as the Warren Commission said.
Later at the Hospital..she gave one of the doctors the skull fragment.
I love my country. We may disagree over many issues. Killing someone over these disagreements is insane
19:05 ''Warren commission knew about Lee 's attempt of killing Gen Walker! ''-----Why nobody arrested Lee about that at that time?
Because at that time no one new who shot at the general let alone who Oswald even was it came out after he shot Kennedy simple as tat
@@austenspriggs904 Blame it on Oswald! He is dead anyway
@@narancauk come on mate all the evidence points to him conspiracy dreamt up Oswald was nuts end of so get over it mate theres no argument with me about its case closed before u reply I've spent 40 years goin threw every bit of released info talked to 6 people who were there on the day each hearing 3 shots from book depository building as well as the 87percent of people in daily plaza who only heard 3 shots from book depository so how much research have you done
@@austenspriggs904 I understand that when you make noises in a surrounding like that you have echoes. Them to hear only 3 shots is admirable. They must be experts in urban combat .I bet they said ''3 shots from Manlicher Carcano 6.5mm''.Hahahahahahahahahahah
@@narancauk mate theres no point you and I getting into a pointless argument about it I can tell you just will never get it and by your reply it's like I'm corresponding with an infant so get ya last we dig in so I never have to reply to you ever again
How did Oswald a Marine stationed in Japan get inside Russia during the Cold War and then bring back a Russian wife with no problem? How did he get away with supporting the USSR in public in Texas? It's pretty weird stuff largely ignored by the Warren Commission as - oh well it just was him being a "strange fellow". Blakely is right go to 1:52:35.
LHO was in a Gov program sending defectors to the USSR. Russians aren't stupid. They knew he wasn't a defector. Let him stay a while and sent him home.
xanadu blakey bent over and dropped his pants for the cia . he let them choose who if any of their people would testify , and he let them decide what they could and could not be asked . blakey was not seeking the truth , the hsca under him lied and deceived as much as and more than the warren commission . so its hard to have any faith at all in anything blakey says . and after all his committee concluded essentially what the warren commission concluded , which was that oswald killed jfk alone . yet blakey has spent his life since then saying the mod did it .
Oswald was recruited by the KGB in Japan and trained in Russia and given a KGB wife 🇺🇸
@@fobrien1 fobrien1 lies and deceives with his every post. He lives for conspiracy. But he and his ilk cannot find one in over 58 years. Maybe another century or two might help. Suddenly the much imagined plot might, in the year 2120, come crawling forth from the fever swamp. You think?
@@81overon LHO had zero connection to any government program. There no proof of that in 58+ years, and there never will be. You just need it to be true. You imagine that it is, to get your conspiracy fix.
outside of the young staffers on the Warren commission who were worked like dogs any SR member on the Warren commission should be embarrassed for the horrendous job they did. the magic bullet/lone gunman conclusion is a F'N joke.
It is the single bullet theory not not magic bullet theory. Also of the whole thing is so wrong the what is the "right" story? There are only like 30 things that point to Oswald being guilty and after 58 years there is still no proof of a conspiracy. Thank God Oliver stone is coming put with yet another fake movie. Just wait the world needs
@@baxterscruggs1716 100% disagree with you. 1000 things stating the obvious
@@brettrobertson2538 so who killed Kennedy then?
I used to be like you: I assumed the WR was a joke because I had always heard it was - especially after watching the movie JFK. Then I got acquainted with the facts; reading the WR (it didn't bite), watching the witnesses, doctors, etc, THEMSELVES talking. That's how I found out that the grandfather of conspiracy theorists, Mark Lane, for example, started the original conspiracy stories that are the basis for all the subsequent theories that have emerged since the 60's. People like him influenced Oliver Stone's movie. Lane invented the idea of the Magic Bullet and the idea that witnesses saw a 2nd gunman, etc. He's the reason you believe what you believe.
As far as I know Odio is still alive. I wonder if the museum ever tried to interview her. Also I'm pretty sure Marina won't do anymore interviews but reaching out to June and Rachel is worth a try.
marina has been denying everyone interviews for a while now.
Not once had anyone mentioned the Abraham Zepruder Film clearly shows JFK being thrown backwards, resulting from them being shot
at/shot from a Frontal-Direction. And we all know how/why they've all refused to do that.
Then why is brain matter thrown forward at Frame 312?
Film was doctored before a single soul saw it. Jeez. It's not like they sent it down to the drugstore for processing
@@moragmacgregor6792 People like you undoubtedly prove what I always tell People: Apathy is worse than Ignorance.
I remember seeing a video showing the side rail holdings on the sides of the limonene where agents should have been positioned to have their head in the place of the Presidents head. In that video a agent begins to walk in that line of sight and his supervisor tells him to stand down. I am not talking about behind the car, but on the sides. LBJ has a limo that has them with the security staff being held up by standing on a piece of metal that was likewise not on the President's limo.
that is because the Zapruder film proved that the head shot came from the rear. The brain is bursting out in the front and Kennedy is thrown back because his brain hit his head. (If you look carefully you would also see that Kennedy moved slightley forward and then back.
All the doctors at Parkland ( later in the day told to shut up by the secret service) contradicts what the two naval doctors at Bethesda hospital in Washington who had never done an autopsy before in their lives
You're buying into that story Crenshaw told in his phony book? Come on.
@@peterfraser9070 the parkland doctors do disagree with the bethesda doctors who had no experience with gun shot wounds while the majority of parkland doctors had tons of experience with gunshot wounds. so that has nothing to do with crenshaw and is just the reality of the situation.
@@simonjames1604 So you agree Crenshaw's book is human fecal matter?
@peterfraser9070 every doctor at Parkland said there was a massive exit wound in the back of Kennedy's head. You're the one who's trying to spout a bullshit story
@@peterfraser9070name what facts are phony in his book.
With a conspiracy, one must consider why no shots were fired at LBJ.
what about the guys at the bowling alley
What about the bullet hole in the front windshield of the limo? It is pretty obvious to me that there was a shooter standing behind the picket fence on the right side. On the day it happened one of the trams room surgeons, at a press conference, held his finger up to the right side of his head to demonstrate how the shot hit from the right side (in the direction of the picket fence).
You are misinformed.
@@jeffclark7888He is BADLY misinformed.
The thing that really trips me up: Everyone I listen to sounds reasonable in that moment. Then I hear the other side and they sound reasonable. I would love to see a debate on each point of contention, where the "evidence" offered by each side is examined and affirmed or debunked.
The 1982 rebuttal of the HSCS acoustic investigation has now been proved to be wrong, therefore Blakey won the argument here, although he didn't do a very good job.
This idea that Oswald acted alone is crazy and even the fbi never believed it..my grandfather..a prominate rancher married to my grandmother from a very wealthy powerful family..died less than 36 hours after Kennedy in North dallas..the fbi had a team in my grandmother's home, took his body, removed all the firearms, looked at all of their finicial documents, recorded incomming calls...there was no reason for this other than proximity and promintancy along with an unusual undetermined death...I'm sure they did all of this because they initially thought he acted alone..ridicilous
@James haren: Go float that kind of BS over on the Conspiracy Fever Swamp forum.
@@stddisclaimer8020 not a conspiracy..I wasn't there but from what I understand it happened...I imagine it was because he spent almost 5 years in Indochina in the mid to late 30's with the flying tigers..He was also a member of the Redman and 32* Mason and sat on the board of the "Texas southwestern cattle ranchers association" and if you'll remember your history anybody with connections to China during Mccarthy red scare and after...my grandmother's father and brother was founder and CEO of braniff airlines, Dallas Air motive, grandy's chicken and a litney of other big business at the time..her other brother origionaly an OSS operative then CIA and at that time was running a "battery factory" in coulmbia...if you'll remember initaly it was believed the assination was likely a communist plot..thoes were the first words out of LBJ's mouth..that's why he insisted on taking the oath of office before the plane took off...incase he had to take any action while airborn...when Oswald was taken in they grabbed the 16 year old kid he worked with that gave him rides to work daily and grilled him insisting that this was an assianation plot and they knew he had a part in it...his wife Marina was heavily grilled for info demanding to know who elese was involved in this and they knew it was a soviet action..just before his visit to Chicago the previous week they stopped a man with a rifle, information on the pres. Motorcade and where he would be speaking, money and fake passport...and in Florida they discovered a weekly rate hotel room freshly abandoned by 4 or 5 dominican nationals with weapons..maps of route..cash..selictions of news papers speaking about the pres. Visit..and were actively hunting down these guys up until when Kennedy was shot...part of the failure that day was because the secret service agent Poole was very diluted because of the number of genuine threats that involved potentialy complex plots and there was an abundance of inexperienced agents because many of the veteran ones were shelved in preference to highly vetted young ones because of the supposed discovery of a soviet plot to infiltrate the secret service or marine guard and implant an assain...if these are the beliefs of the people on the ground when this all happened then they had to believe it was bigger than one nut with a gun at least initally...I'm certainly not saying there was any relevance to them looking into my grandfathers death only that it indicated there could be something more at play...neither my mom or grandmother were given any information at all so it may of had nothing to do with Kennedy assianation but I don't know what it could be in relation too if it wasnt...it's a little coincedental...I have no radical conspiracy therioes of any kind..was only stating what I think investigative agencies precieved could be going on in the immediate aftermath of the shooting...not that was infact did happen...I'm certainly not the first person to make the statement others were involved in this besides oswald...ever watch mickey franseze youtube channel or read his book...he former capo of banno crime family and father the highest profile mobster of that time and underboss..he says very matter of factly that the mob facilitated at least some parts of the assianation and that their was an organized plot..Robert Kennedy went to his grave believing trafficante was responsible for his brothers death and even bugged his jail cell and put a CI in place in prison...I'm currently writing a book on my family which includes some explorations of this...I have no reason to lie to you or anyone I'm not making any claims to anything other than a beliefe he wasn't a lone gunner...I like an accedemic argument as much as anybody but your statement was simply inarticulate, obnixious, and frankly an insult to a leader like kennedy who understood the importance of class and social dynamics and discussion..I'm feel bad your so angered about someone commenting and sharing information that's unknown in the community...many people like to hear information then decide what value to give it...trying to suppress the free exchange of ideas and limit discussion to only what you want to hear...and only being willing to listen to something if it supports your position is a very ignorant and unveiled way of operating...it's been what 58 years now...I don't think Kennedy would harbor so much ugliness and anger over his own death as you do...plus he fought against fascists in ww2 who didn't want the free discrimination of ideas and open discussion...I'm sorry if you come from a low class lineage or disenfranchised family but no need to hate of thoes who were players at the highest levels at that time..its natural to question someone but classy educated people ask questions when questioning something not demans for resignations..there's 7.8 billion people out there...comments arnt written just for you to judge...I imagine others here would like to decide for themselves...you might try relations whit the oppsite sex sometime...it will help with all that anger you harbor
@@jamesharen8607 What you've never considered, Mr. Wanker is that: One would think that by now, someone would have come forward in the last 58 years to tell the world about the Great Plot. He or she would become a major figure in world history, not to mention the likelihood of becoming very wealthy. We know that conspiracies usually fail because someone talks or wants money. Watergate burglars were brought down in very short order because a few wanted hush money. Yet, in over 58 years, every single one of so many (thousands)of conspiring lips has remained ever so tightly sealed. Once that is realized, your beliefs become a joke.
@@stddisclaimer8020 you can theroize whatever you like..I'm not a liar and not and conspiracy theroist..who knows why this happened or even if this was related..it came to me first hand from my grandmother who literally never told an out and out lie in her life and was a brilliant, wealthy, well respected woman and sharp as a tack..why ever this happened and I would think it must of been related statistically speaking, it certainly happened..I have no idea why and make no claims to no..but there's certainly no reason to be obxixious or rude..I'm certainly no wanker..I'm a six sigma expert who runs a facility under Raytheon defense systems division and act as a facility millitary liason and carry a security clearances and make the most advanced optics in the world for our millitary and aerospace programs ...I'm certainly not going to be insualted my someone who's so knowledgeable and serious a guy they reference sexualy transmitted disease STD in there handle...I'm sorry your in a place of so much loathing and hostility but try and keep you head up..with the cool classy attitude and swagger ypibr shown here I'm sure there are dozens if not a hundreds of women that would find you interesting and appealing enough to sleep with you if you paid them...trust me it will help with all the pent up aggression..just FYI though you might want to leave out any other references to STD's...although if they had to pick between an STD and your personality, I imagine the std thing would be much more likely to get you somewhere with them..there's condoms for pricks to prevent std's, but I don't think they make them big enough to put a prick like you in..I don't know for sure though...so I should probably message one of your old girlfriends(and by "one" I mean that 1 girlfriend) since she should know, and ask her where she gets thoes realy big condoms that she buys for her new boyfriend...I'm sure because of her job as a transgender escort she has become well versed in STD's...I'll give you one thing though, your not the first b*tch to accuse me of a Big Wanker, but if you ever want to cross the pond and face me you might just be the last...you gonna need to bring something besides your keyboard if you wanna come across as a tough guy where I'm from
@@jamesharen8607 Grandmas, of course, never lie, but they can be mistaken, which yours clearly was in the Kennedy case; where, as I’ve said, no proof of a conspiracy has been forthcoming in over 58 years; and another half-century or more will not help find what never existed in the first place; and no grandma can be of any help. The rest of your comment is a welter of off-topic, discursive blatherings that should see you in a straight jacket, were this not the YT comments section, where loonies such as yourself may let loose with relative impunity. In addition, you've given ample evidence of suffering political paranoia, of your feelings of being helpless, powerless; and of having a rather low level of self-esteem.
When did the Warren Commission view the Zapruder film? When did the public learn about the existence of the Zap film? How did the transfer of momentum from the bullet hit his head from behind but cause it to move in the opposite direction? And how did Oswald conveniently get the job at the book depository just weeks before the assassination.
Zapruder film was made public immediately by Time Magazine. Reflex reaction backwards was due to neurological nerve then muscle reaction caused by traumatized brain.
@@mikejackson8916 : Actually, I believe it was Life magazine, Z had sold the rights to publish only still photos at that time. The public did not see the film until 1975, on a Geraldo show that featured Robert Groden.
@@Dogheadj the FBI got a copy of the Z film almost immediately and it was part of the evidence reviewed by the Commission. Still photos from the film were made public soon after the assassination.
High velocity full metal jackets are designed to go right through a person.
@@mattsmolinski595 Right . What you see in the zapruder Film is as clear as the nose on yer face. Frontal head shot back and to the left and an exploding bullet. The Radius Bone in the wrist is more dense than skull ..so think about how incredibly stupid The Magic Bullet Theory is, and the mindless Neuromuscular Reaction.
"If he presented this to [RFK], he would have been laughed out of the room.
Ouch! haha
The text for this video needs to be updated. In the 3rd paragraph the dictabelt recording is mentioned as proof of conspiracy. On the contrary a citizen, in ohio i believe, with audio background disproved the alleged time and location the recording was made. Further verified by other sources.
@Derek Chiasson The film matches the witness testimony and the autopsy. Plus there was no technology to alter 8mm film at the time
@@johncooper7663 The guy who made the copies of the film or who handled the film (Dino Brugioni?) stated on the record the version that aired on Geraldo was not the original they saw that day in November 1963. He said without doubt the head shot was altered in his view.
@@PhillyJohnny that would have been impossible because there was no technology to alter 8mm film
Read Josiah Thompson's new book Last Second In dallas...I'm unsure of the acoustics myself and haven't finished it,but what he does is totally disprove the 2 main Scientists utilized to bolster the Single Assassin Theory. Guinn, and Alvarez.
@@vernpascal1531Vern does love his conspiracy
Horrendous audio track on this, rendering it to torturous to follow.
Is there another copy anywhere that hasn't been badly processed by incompetent technicians?
Also, is it possible to make sure that the same people are never again employed to record an important debate?
What a great point by Willens at 1:07:23.
Interesting how a man who is said had 125.00 to his name, could travel out of the country to mexico or anywhere else.
How much was a plane ticket to Russia back then? I’m really curious to know traveling costs back then
With $125 quite easily - I travelled for 6 months in Mexico in 1966, living well, and I don't think I spent more than $500
@@dennisa946 did you also have a family to take care of ?
@@dennisa946 did the government claim you visited embassies of the soviet union and cuba and then produced pictures that clearly were not you?
I would like to see the non fiction version of the Warren's Report.
Ask yourself why Hale Boggs disappeared on a flight in Alaska, after objecting to the Warren Commission findings, he was not happy with the conclusion, that there was only one shooter.
Maybe you can write one
all these people who think the Warren report is bogus never read all the volumes. ask the people watching who owns a set....zero
@@valdavis4474 What, he "disappeared" years later and you're trying to tie that in?? Get serious.
You just have to feel sorry for Blakey, in how deep he’s gone down the looney bin.
I don't feel sorry for Blakey at all ..If anything has ever had conspiracy written all over it , it's the Kennedy assassination. I feel sorry for anyone who has completely closed their mind to the very real possibility of conspiracy ....Anyone like that is far ahead of Blakey going down the Looney bin.
They don't even question LBJ...
Here's how it unfolded, first shot was from the direction of the underpass, it went through the windshield of the limo and struck JFK in the neck; the second shot came from behind and miss JFK and struck Gov Connally in the back; third shot ricocheted off limo and struck the sidewalk near the underpass; forth shot came from the direction of the tracks and hit JFK in the head blowing the back of JFK's head out.
You are leaving out the bullet hole in JFK's back near the base of his neck. Also you'd have to ignore a great deal of evidence to propose that Connally was stuck by a bullet that missed JFK.
@@Caeruleo
Haha
Just saying lol
@@patrickjdart9392 "Haha Just saying lol"
Mmmkay. In other words, does that mean you're "just saying" that you can't prove any of your claims to be true?
@@Caeruleo
No, it means I don't want to debate about something that happened sixty years ago when people already believe the lies that the Warren Commission told.
My statement is supported by facts and physics.
Have a good day
Howard Willens statement that Allen Dulles was a committed public servant and was a committed supporter of President Kennedy even after he was fired is laughable at best. Howard loses all credibility with me with that statement alone.
So unbelievable its unbelieved. The perfect plot.
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OSWALD, 2 FOR 3 @ JEK
You don’t believe this nonsense, do you?.. Here’s a dead giveaway Oswald was a cop killer.. He discarded his jacket..
In fact, the final 2 things he did in Oak Cliff that day was discard his jacket, and try to commit suicide by cop when he resisted arrest.. Both are the actions of a guilty man, and both are not in dispute..
With no direct evidence of a conspiracy, I’m not giving the benefit of the doubt to a cop killer..
Wouldn't a shooter from the grassy knoll be shooting downward. The knoll sits above the street. Why doesn't the Zapruder film show the back or back-left of his head being blown out from a front-right downward shot?
I can understand the rear shot to his head entering as shown in the drawing here, if it lines up with Oswald. Also, the tie fibres indicate the direction of the wound, because the fibres moved outward.
Yep.. It’s called evidence..
Willets and Blakey going at each other is pretty good tv! On a bigger level, the imperfections of human nature are on full display. Each guy sees it their own way and came into this with their own biases and prejudices. As they attack each other, the truth of the assassination becomes further distorted. Some have said that the JFK assassination has to much evidence. While that maybe true, there are to many egos in my opinion.
That's true. That's why I always prefer to go directly to the sources as much as possible. I don't take what a conspiracy author or author arguing Oswald acted alone says on face value. They might be honest and telling the truth, but their own bias can unknowingly distort their views, they can leave out facts/details that are against their claims (either on purpose or not), or they even just flat out lie! So I always read directly from the source. I've read nearly every testimony in both the Warren Report and HSCA report (all except people with minor/insignificant roles), the entire Shaw case transcript, and thousands of declassified documents.
So far, I haven't found anything that leads to me believe there was a conspiracy. Virtually every claim made by conspiracy theories can be explained. However, I'm still open to the idea there was a conspiracy. I love hearing new claims of evidence of a conspiracy and then looking into it to see what comes up!
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@@grobbs666 Then you have not researched enough. You should listen to E. Howard Hunt's son and the tapes his father gave him. May also want to look into Cord Myer and Jim Marr's book.
@@tamgsmith8077 sounds like you need to do much research buddy. Like maybe look into the reasons why even most honest conspiracy believers don't put any stock into E Howard Hunts sons tapes and claims, nor does their siblings or rest of the family.
And Jim Marrs? You are way behind. Crossfire has been utterly and repeatedly debunked for years and years now.
So you seem to have some catching up to do since you talk about books over a quarter century old!
Once you get up to speed, let me know any further questions you might have, or anything else you might be confused by and I'll help you out!
WHAT is the big deal about different people, in different areas of Dealey, believing that they'd heard shots from different areas of the Plaza ? There were gunman situated THROUGHOUT Dealey.
Not proven not one iota of proof so therefore you can not make that statement
Randy Harris
Really ? No through-and-through hole in the windshield ? (Starvis)
No entry wounds in JFK’s throat and temple ? (Perry, Kemp, Chaney, Newman, Kilduff) No smoke seen wafting from the picket fence trees ? (Holland). No knoll gunpowder smell ? (Yarborough, Smith)
Stop it, will you ? Just stop it. Thanks.
@@nycsongman9758 yes perry said that but later he said was mistaken they did not turn kennedy over if they had they would have seen the wound in his back what is obvious to me you do not know the facts of this case stop wastiing my time with your bullshit and bullshit it is there was no frontal wound to the presidents neck that is 100 percent no bullet hole from front to back thtough the window. Thats 100 percent
@@nycsongman9758 cant say what these people saw so a puff a smoke if actually seen would automaticaly mean a shooter behind the picket fence no nexus there
And Mostly everyone in Texas either is familiar with guns and gunshots their whole lives, they know exactly how guns sound?
The person who gave them the dictabelt which recorded the sounds from Dealy Plaza, who Willens called a conspiracy theorist, was the former Curator of the 6th floor museum the late Gary Mack.
Goes to show you that the Mob intertwined with other unsavory characters in or out of the government proved to be a very lethal opponent for JFK
SMMFH
Yes an why 60 yrs later we have no proof. It was destroyed an cover up
He was a patsy.
We do have a photo of the 2nd gunman, "badgeman" holding a rifle. We also have another photo shot just 4 seconds following the shooting of the president of the knoll near the railroad underpass where you can see smoke flying across over Elm Street, consisted with someone who had fired a weapon.
@Desmond Castro: Only you, and those with a pre-conceived conclusion of conspiracy claim to see such things. Maybe it's time to lay off the grassy knoll weed.
@@apointofinterest8574 what about the many witnesses that smelled gunsmoke and the railroad workers who saw smoke? None of us know what really happened for certainty. If a person looks into the JFK assassination and doesn't look into a possible conspiracy then they are naive and a fool. I'm not saying there was one cause idk but i will say there's alot of strange coincidences and circumstances that happened. Ruby killing LHO for example. Nothing to it at all cause jack was just a big JFK supporter and didn't want Jackie to go through a trial. Bullshit. Maybe it is true but if you don't question what you are told then your just one of the sheep that would of been saluting Hitler in Nazi Germany back in the mid 30's being brain washed like the masses.
@@mrsinister8943 We already know the railroad workers changed their original stories, one of them after being coached by Mark Lane, so you can toss all their tale-telling out.
These witness reports(and they are not the 'majority') of "smelling gunpowder" have to be explained in psychological, rather than narrow olfactory, terms. As JFK researcher Gary Nivaggi has said:
“I do not believe that there was any gunpowder smell following the shooting, but a similar combustion by-product odor combined with the psychological effect likely caused the confusion. Those enormous, inefficient V-8 engines in the motorcade, vehicles would, under the obvious rapid or full throttle acceleration, give off some very strong exhaust fumes. Upon passing through these fumes, especially after hearing the shots, those fumes could be mistaken for gunpowder smells.”
Don't be brainwashed by the CCC (Cuckoo Conspiracy Club).
@@apointofinterest8574 I just think that the possibility of some sort of conspiracy or plot by either the mafia,rogue forces or one other person will always be within reason to look into and search for. As someone who became absolutely fascinated by this event ever since I learned about it in 7th or 8th grade and while I'm not a professional but I've done alot of personal research and have an open mind about the events and consider myself an intelligent person. I realize so much about that day and the aftermath was myth,lies, embellished or out of context and I can understand that after years of searching and researching that one can conclude that LHO was the lone gunman and there really was no signs of a conspiracy that a person could find. If I had to guess with my brain then I would say all the evidence sure does point to one man but Theres always been those little lingering questions. I think what happened to the two photographs that two different men had from that day that possibly showed more people up in the 6th floor or window? Both instances the pictures were lost or damaged one by our government agency I believe FBI and the other by a Toronto news agency which in turn sent the man a check and claimed they accidentally lost or damaged the pic. The man who saw the Tippet shooting and was trying to follow the shooter down the street to keep tabs on him 2 or 3 days later was shot in the back and the head,he survived. The Dallas police losing all records of the 3 tramps except their names. The pic that looks alot like Bush Sr in front of TSBD. The former plots against Kennedy involving multiple gunmen with sniper rifles. The SS agent called off right before the assassination. Ruby killing LHO and then saying that the world will never know his true intentions and that people with the most to gain will never let the truth come out. E Howard Hunts deathbed statement and audio. Joseph Milteerin attendance at dealey plaza and his audio just a month or so beforehand about how it's in the works to kill JFK and that authorities will arrest someone quickly to throw the public off and he described pretty much how it would happen from a high rise office building with a rifle brought up by being broken down to sneak into a place. The fact that even the Kennedys themselves thought there was a conspiracy says alot. There's so much more from the supposed sloppy autopsy to a very reliable witness claiming he saw a different version of the zapruder film. It's stuff like all the things I mentioned is why a potential conspiracy will always be valid. You have evidence vs strange and unbelievable coincidences and circumstances. I don't know what happened all I know is that jack Ruby destroyed any sense in this case when he killed LHO . Good luck my friend and may we continue to search or understand whatever is the truth.
@@mrsinister8943 Ha ha, the bit about Ruby "protecting" Jackie is such a crock. It's amazing how that got credibly foisted onto the world. Ruby owned a strip club, which means he consorted with mobsters. He was just a POS doing the bidding of someone awful.
Interesting debate! I liked Mr. Blakey better, he was nicer and more respectful of his adversary. However, I ultimately agree with Mr. Willens - if I can put it in the form of sarcasm: a grassy knoll shot has everything going for it, except for a wound, a bullet, a cartridge, a weapon and a shooter.
None of these shots even seem to work from shooting 6 stories high. It seems in my mind to be shots from a ground level or 2-3 stores up
I like this SixthFloorMuseum!! All is great to hear about The Kennedy's! I was 12 years old, when this happened!
You should know better than to listen to ANYTHING the Sixth Flor Museum says. Yeah, Oswald shot JFK (wrong), Sirhan shot RFK (wrong), Ray shot MLK (wrong), Adam Lanza shot the kids (wrong) and Paddock shot hundreds from room 32-134 in LV (wrong). All lone nuts. Lol. Do you see a pattern here? People are beyond stupid to believe this crap.
they never stop with their bs lies. we know the real reason jfk had to go; for the same reason rfk had to go!!!!
him stating that a corcano 6.5 or 7mm fmj military's round would tumble, at those short distances that is extremely unlikely, either caliber would be a through and through, stopping in a more solid medium, ie parts of the car, and a bullet traveling at around 1900 fps definitely wouldn't turn and go backward then change again to continue forward , , watch this guy was painful , his body language wasn't believing his words ,
oh the wed that has been woven with this one is kinda pathetic
Shots 2 and 3 are so very close . Could LHO pulled this off alone ? Go back and listen again .Plus so many folks smelled gun powder near the grassy knoll.
Check out Robert Tannenbaum 's take on his experience with the HSCA. He resigned as did Richard Sprague.
Obviously neither man heard of Judyth Vary Baker and her book about Oswald. Her book very clearly connects Ruby to Marcello and Oswald to Marcello.
@Don Bartels: Obviously, Don has not heard that Baker cannot prove she ever knew Oswald, nor that she was even employed at the Reily Coffe Co. at the same time as him. She's a self-promoting, pathological liar whose desperately-sought 15 minutes of fame expired long long ago.
@Katrina Favret Big mistake, making a post that might make sense in a comic strip, but is 100% disconnected from historical reality.
If you believe what's in that book I got some swamp land I'll sell you.If this book or her accusations were out at the time you can bet they heard about it
i am the reincarnation of jesus, im serious .,.