A Conversation with Jim Leavelle and Eddie Barker
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024
- Recorded on January 24, 2007, "A Conversation with Jim Leavelle and Eddie Barker" was the inaugural program in the Museum's "Voices from History: Dallas Law Enforcement" program series. James Leavelle was the Dallas police detective immortalized in Bob Jackson's Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald. Wearing a light-colored suit and a cowboy hat, Leavelle was handcuffed to Oswald and helped wrestle Jack Ruby to the ground. Eddie Barker was news director for Dallas CBS affiliate KRLD-TV/Channel 4 in 1963. He was heavily involved in local news coverage of the assassination and was the first to announce President Kennedy's death.
To launch this 2007 series, Judge Joe B. Brown, Jr. provided a special introduction. A Dallas justice of the peace in 1963, Brown held an inquest into the death of Officer Tippit and issued search warrants for several assassination-related locations. His father, the late Judge Joe B. Brown, presided over the Jack Ruby trial in 1964.
Mr. Barker passed away on July 23, 2012.
Judge Brown passed away on July 30, 2013.
It's a privilege to have access to this kind of presentation. I can't say my memories of visiting the Museum and the Plaza are fond, but I will never forget the opportunity to go there and pay my respects, on behalf of my father as much as anyone else. He had the opportunity to meet President Kennedy and talk with him briefly during the President's visit to Ireland earlier in 1963.
Those of us that were alive at that time will always remember that day. We as kids, were gathered around the TV to watch what was happening. It was surreal to see Ruby leap out of the crowd and shoot Lee Harvey Oswald. Incredible!
Is Leavelle the coolest guy ever? Humble, dedicated, a Pearl Harbor vet and the guy shackled to LHO when he was shot. What a level-headed guy. And he's now 95... sharp as a tack.
I shook his hand in '92. Amazing he's still alive and looking so well for his age.
Leavelle was a good 'ol boy from red river county in texas. And so was Officer Tippit. There were multiple people from Lamar county(Paris, Texas), and red river county, neighboring counties in texas. One of the Dr.'s in the trauma ward that worked on Kennedy was feom Paris. Eddie barker from this interview was from Paris. He was the first to announced the shooting to the public at the trade mart where kennedy was heading next. And the man that Oswald rode to work with in the mornings was from lamar county. The mornin of the assassination he had a long box with him when he was picked up that mornin. Oswald said it was curtain rods.
@Marc Bell You mean the guy who enabled the poisoning of 300 people in Guiana? That Mark Lane?
He got it right. RIP Jim🌹
Jim was what a man used to act like.
I really need to visit museum again and bring my son and my mother. My mother was working downtown Dallas that day and her recollections are Gold . To add to it , my moms friend introduced her to my bio father who the friend met in the aftermath chaos of the assassination.
Great to hear Mr. Barkers voice again. I grew up watching him on TV.
I would also love to have Robert Oswald's interview become a piece of the Sixth Floor Oral History. We are missing a great and honorable man's story if we don't get him.
@Just think
He didn't say he interrogated him. So the object of your Post is to call Mr. Leavelle a Liar? Pathetic. Shove it up you ass.
If I remember correctly Robert Oswald stated that he believed Oswald did it alone.
@Just think I cant believe anyone that has seen Oswald being killed does not suspect this guy , he practicly held Oswald so that Jacob Rubinstein could hit him
@@dancingisraeli2376 And if you never saw her naked, you can't guarantee that your grandmother didn't have balls!
However she probably didn't
but you can't know for sure!
@@generalfred9426 Yes that's what he believs.
Thank you from Quebec
The BEST thing to do is find interviews done by all of these reporters and eyewitnesses who were THERE that DAY and SAW everything happen. THEN you will conclude there were NO CONSPIRACIES. It happened EXACTLY the way they all say it did. I was a conspiracy guy then I did my homework. I'm a believer of the WAY IT HAPPENED!
Me too!
How do you explain Oswald getting to snack Room so fast without being seen? I’m opposite used to assume it was Oswald till I did research. Too many things hidden overlooked like so many witnesses dying within 3 years. Plus testimony withheld that did not fit with the Warren Commission report like a woman who said she saw Oswald on the 1st floor at 1227 3 minutes before the assassination!
@@PC-lu3zf The failure to explain everything does not negate everything that's been explained. Oswald ALONE.
Dozens of eye witnesses heard shots from grassy knoll area , the Warren commission ignored their evidence
@@jdunn101ify The majority heard shots only from one direction: from the TSBD, and the preponderance of other evidence corroborates that. You are the one who's ignoring things.
He lived to be 99 I just saw
As I recall at one time I believe Chief Curry said no one could put that rifle in Oswald's hands. Indirectly he was dismissing any supposed palm print.
Beliefs are not evidence.
@@aaronz7056 : What's the WCR but a bunch of beliefs, ignoring evidence. So your point is, what?
@@rogerscottcathey My point is that's not true and after 60 years all credible evidence still points right at Oswald despite the assertions of guys like you who never seem to attempt offering any convincing alternate scenario as you just jump through hoops letting Oswald off the hook at every turn.
What evidence did they "ignore?"
@@aaronz7056no evidence points to Oswald
@@paulanddianathomas3376 In that case we look forward to you explaining how the people framing Oswald for these murders could POSSIBLY have known:
- where his rifle was
- he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21, otherwise they can't pretend he smuggled the rifle Nov. 22
- he wouldn't simply stand out on the sidewalk during the parade
- nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle
- they can safely get his latent palm print onto the rifle to be found
- they can safely get his prints onto the exact spots of the sniper nest they would be had he been firing from it
- the assassination won't simply go down in a way that makes it impossible to pretend only one shooter did it
- no unidentified persons will ever be caught inside the building
- it will even be POSSIBLE for future investigators to plausibly, consistently and clearly demonstrate using mathematically precise computer recreations of the shooting the victims' wounds all line up on a perfect trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window
- witnesses under that window can be counted on to lie that all the shots came from directly over their heads
- Oswald will immediately flee the crime scene
- Oswald will definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff
- Oswald will take evasive action to get there
- Oswald owned a revolver
- where the revolver was
- he would obtain the revolver
- he would retain the revolver
- he would ignore his cab driver and landlady when they try speaking to him
- he would decide at the last minute to put on a jacket
- he would throw his jacket away in the streets before his arrest
- there is any logic in attacking a cop on a public street just to frame Oswald for it since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here they will just end up confirming a conspiracy exists after all
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- the imposter can be certain Oswald is still walking around free
- the imposter can be certain Oswald has come to the neighbourhood
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- the cop won't simply outdraw the imposter, capture him and blow the whole plot
- no other cop will capture the fleeing imposter
- nobody will ever see the imposter again
- nobody will see Oswald anywhere else during the shooting
- Oswald will not be able to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting
- Oswald will be seen trying to hide from passing police
- Oswald will be seen trying to dodge more police by ducking into the theater
- Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- Oswald will fight like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking police about the penalty for cop-killing
- Oswald will lie to police, starting with about his whereabouts during the assassination
- Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator
- Oswald will send the President of the Dallas Bar Association packing when he arrives to offer him help
- Oswald will act so smug and placid he'll even convince his own brother he is guilty
- Oswald will just shrug a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
- Oswald will make no attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody
- the Dallas PD will be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real murderers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children
- they can safely count on scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, ballistics experts, doctors, photographers, x-ray technicians, staffs at embassies in another country, Oswald family members and acquaintances, journalists, whole commissions, etc. to obey illegal orders to commit crimes and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason...
Thanks in advance for clearing all this up.
marco... what page can I find this in Gerald Ford's book? Can you quote what the book says exactly?
I'll never forget that Sunday morning in 1963. I was 10 years old living on the family farm Was sitting in a chair at home watching TV We had our CBS channel on and then Dad wanted to change it to another one I turned it to our NBC station and within 10 minutes he was shot(Oswald) and I remember hearing the shot and Tom Petit saying He's been shot He's been shot Lee Oswald has been shot
The Warren Commission could find no link between Ruby and organised crime. The senate select committee made the huge investigation years later of looking at his phone records. He made lots of calls to different mob bosses in the weeks prior LOL.
Ruby was originally from Chicago and knew some guys in the Chicago Outfit but first of all Ruby was Jewish so he could not ever be a made member if the Mafia. There are plenty of guys that work along with the mob but it doesn't necessarily mean that he was totally trusted and that is how they felt about Ruby. He was a total hot head and was always where the action was so its not so unusual that he was around for those couple of days.
The mob paid Ruby $50,000 to whack Oswald. That money was found after Ruby killed Oswald in his safe.
@@Dr.Pepper001 Where is that documented?
My grandfather talked the same way ..these old timers are stubborn,Loving,honest,and tuff as shit !! I know this for a fact!!
Jim Leavell kind of sounds like Larry the cable guy.
Interesting to hear this. One question arises. That neighbour was introduced to Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby while walking his dog? Who introduces someone using their middle name? It's almost too specific. Also, who is Lavealle to pronounce Oswald guilty? Thats a job for to the courts. Did he actually see Oswald commit the crime? He sure uses his position to tell us Oswald is guilty and deservant of the death penalty! From an appointed officer of the court this behaviour is unacceptable. He no way looked at the incident as it was. He looked at an image painted for him from which he brooked no departure. What about the driver who slowed down? What about the different ammunition used in the shooting? Why about the impossibility of firing the shots in the time frame? These are not difficult observations. They are simply ignored by this man
Swell: there is a mountain of credible evidence pointing right at Oswald and none pointing towards anybody else.
@@aaronz7056 no there isn't
@@nickfraser4599 Well, that changes everything. lol
Maybe he held the paintbrush...
0:46 "On Wednesday, April the 18th, they'll be arresting Oswald."... Well that was spoken awkwardly.
And while we failed to do our jobs on fifty different levels,we can laugh about it now.
Go pet ur service skunk.
wtf
They made no mistakes. They did everything right. Oswalds dead. Kennedy's dead. Never a trial. LBJ was the new President. It all went perfect.
Isn't sovereign immunity wonderful?
it's a holdover from America's days as part of Britain, it's there to protect the monarchy and now lazy, incompetent corrupt and politically motivated bureaucrats of various kinds, hide behind it to avoid any accountability for they're negligent & reckless conduct.
@@PJ-uu5ef Clint Hill pounding his fist, then giving a thumbs down to the secret service car - "it's done."
He ask Oswald if he belived in god and he said he read the Bible but didn,t understand it!
Well I think most of America don't understand the bible
Fitz movements as Oswald gets shot... looks sus to me..... late reaction to the shot and before that he gets himself out of the target area doing some miniscule bullshit . .... Bet he was in on the hit .
@Bruce Ross: Conspiracy theorists never have real evidence; instead they have anomalies. Anything that seems a bit odd, out of place, coincidental, or all-too-convenient is cast in a sinister light and made to seem as if it is evidence for a conspiracy. It’s defective thinking as described in the volume: “Abnormal Psychology: The Study & Treatment of Psychiatric Disorders.”
I believe that too! It was so scripted and staged like a low budget movie!
@@stddisclaimer8020 what about the real evidence from dozens of eye witnesses that heard shots from grassy knoll area?
@James D: 88% of the 179 witnesses who expressed an opinion said there were 3 shots and 3 shots only. The largest group that identified a location, 28% said they came from the book depository. Only 4 witnesses, 2% of all the witnesses at Dealey, heard shots coming from more than one location.
@@stddisclaimer8020 only 28% thought the shots were from the depository , that says it all
"LOL!!! And There you go again you still clumsy...
Interesting.
Ruby was kind of an odd guy never got married, I wonder if they found anything sexually incriminating when they searched his place, like possibly that he preferred the company of men.
@@insertnamehere313 I have seen interviews with the girls from his club and they were asked about that and said no he was straight and he had a girlfriend like a steady girlfriend and was kind of old-fashioned about it. But like I said in my comment I would think if they found something that would have been leaked or publicized and I’ve certainly never heard anything like that. Like they found gay magazines or something like that
@@janetphillips2875 At that time, a lot of gay men would be seen with or even marry women, yet still live a very secret gay life. Again I’m just wondering if they found anything incriminating when they searched his house, I need searched his apartment as they would discover anything he may have had hidden and been very secretive about. I don’t think they found anything because I think he would’ve heard that sensationalized in the news
His sister said he had girlfriends. Why is it everybody wants to push the G word?
@@janetphillips2875 In my case I don’t think I’m pushing any kind of agenda, in the 1960s it was rather strange for a guy of his age to be single. Also he had some unique habits like always traveling with his two little dogs. But I’m sure they searched his apartment thoroughly, and had he had any compromising or homosexual material I’m sure they would’ve discovered it and I’ve never heard Anything like that so I guess they didn’t find anything like that. Again not trying to push an agenda either way, just curious.
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+william miller
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT - BUT CONSIDER, THOSE BASTARDS ARE JOKES TO BEGIN WITH.
Conspiracy theories: "Hogwash" indeed.
bbrown222 You know it was revealed by Gerald Ford in his book that Oswald was a paid 3 letter agency informer right? $200 bucks a month. WR hushed it up.
marco calarco JFK Assassination Conspiracy Myth #873
bbrown222 In other words you have no real response. It's in Gerald Fords book. Release of sealed LHO tax records from this period would confirm it. I wonder if they'll ever be released. No wonder feds were interviewing LHO on regular basis (and denying it) including 2 weeks before dealy. Reminds one of this recent Boston affair. So many similarities.
@@bbrown222 since your so informed, name each POC Oswald spoke to in Mexico City......do you recommend me waiting on your response?
@@marcocalarco7575 Ford, in his book or elsewhere never showed any Oswald-CIA connection, because they was none. That's just the conspiracy kook's wet dream. keep dreaming....
Hogwash is exactly what is it
Really. You'll change your tune when you grow up.
24:28 or 1:02:31
This isn't a game of Clue, no need to guess...Oswald did it and acted alone, now move on to something else.
I believe that too,Ive read,listened to or watched dozens of accounts and think LHO,just did it.
Correct just study it in depth and you'll realize it's true.
Just think roger Craig made stuff up like seeing Oswald 8n the station wagon reading mauser on the gun he brought it all on himself oh by the way he did commit suicide nobody silenced him okay
Why would he do that? What would be his motivation? To get ridiculed by people like yourself? To have his life threatened? Yes, he and anyone else who offered a statement that was in conflict with the official version were independently conspiring to undermine the govt's version.
@@Autshot20 Some people, like Craig, will do and endure whatever backlash for their 15 minutes of fame. Craig's various and conflicting tall tales richly deserve ridicule.
Epstein committed suicide, also.
@@timhawks6101 So you don't buy the murder theory?
@@Autshot20 Craig even kept contradicting himself as he couldn't keep his own on-the-record stories straight.
RO's "testimony" and "knowledge" of Lee, is in NO WAY,proof of guilt.
WAS HE THERE?
Did Lee CONFESS TO HIM?
Oneandonly
Judging by you worthless Post, there is proof that you're just another conspiracy kook that only proves that you're a dumb ass. The Dallas Police knew they had their man, the DA was confident they would have gotten a conviction. Find a different Hobby, you suck at this one.
@@johnadams5489 For a worthless post, you certainly found worth in it, to respond.
@@liecrusher3506
I read ALL the Posts in that thread. Don't flatter yourself.
@@johnadams5489 I'm neither flattered nor flustered, just amused.
@@liecrusher3506
You're too easy.
Hey just think they dudnt think somebody was going to kill In the basement come on
Just begs the question as to why someone like Jack Ruby who was not a reporter gained entry into a tight security precinct. Jack knew most policemen in Dallas through his night club that he ran. It's obvious who let him in.
@@jayramdas2377 if you study the case it was luck and happenstance he slipped down the ramp when Vaughn turned his back and stepped into the street to let Detective Pierce out that happened 52 seconds before Ruby shot Oswald so Ruby got down in that basement 30 seconds before he killed Oswald nobody seen Ruby enter the basement because at that time Oswald had just stepped off the elevator and their eyes were focused on him Ruby told Detective Leavelle when he asked him hiw did you get down that ramp he said.i slioped down the ramp when the guard turned his back Leavelle knew he was telling the truth because Ruby was able to id Pierce as the driver who he knew thats the only way it could have happened so thats absolutey blows the theory out of the water that Ruby was sent by the mob to silence Oswald
Right. Ruby spontaneously decides to go shoot Oswald, 1 hour and 20 mins after the scheduled transfer nut managed to get there just in time to have the suspect brought out. All reports that day described the DPD headquarters as an armed camp but yet Ruby was able to just wonder down the ramp. The officer guarding the ramp took multiple lie-detector tests stating he did not see Ruby and he passed every one.
@@Autshot20 Vaughn did not see Ruby he had stepped away to Let Detective Pierce out.Just happenstance no doubt.Ruby had his beloved Sheba in the car and said if he didnt make an illegal turn he would have missed Oswald.
@@Autshot20 He didnt go there to shoot Oswald he went to send a WU.
Lots of untrue statements
Stoneyburke, I have thought the same thing. Just stay in the lunchroom and I don't think Oswald would have ever been a suspect. I'm not sure if he had his lunch with him but he probably did. By leaving the building, this makes him suspicious. His leaving connects him to the event. I'm still not sure he killed Tippett.
right, he would have never been a suspect? Just because his rifle, which he denied owning, was up there wouldn't have been the least bit suspicious. you guys are delusionally stupid.
Something else that connects him to the event: a mountain of evidence.
RIP Jim
Why didnt lee have a jail jumpsute and jail slippers he came in in his work clohes its another lie
Stonetburke stop it you sound silly
Eddie barker was also silenced and died under very mysterious circumstances
It's always suspicious when someone dies in their 80s fifty years after an event such as the assassination.
@@rawbacon agreed. Eddie barker was silenced.
@@mikehiggins946 they killed both Eddie and Jimmy lavelle when they was very vulnerable murderers
@@MalEvansUSA You have nothing...so just go home.
@@mikehiggins946depends on when he started talking, and what he said.
Why did Mr. Jim Leavelle as the only one (during the whole weekend) choose to wear a white suite in the basement when Oswald got shot?
He says in every interview, it wasn’t white! It was tan. It just looks white in the old B&W photos.
@@mikehiggins946 Really admire crackpots who just happily accuse people with zero evidence of being conspirators, just giving the middle finger to the man's family so long as it suits their "theories."
He had on the same color of suit on the day of the assassination.
D
The conspiracy did not happen
Well at least you are being open minded about all of the unanswered questions and all the reasonable doubt that exists with much of the evidence. And again, ALL of the individuals who made statements or had observations that differ from the official, preconceived conclusion are ALL lying, mistaken, not credible and/or are trying to be noticed?
@@Autshot20 Mostly I notice the avalanche of demonstrable lies told by conspiracy authors.
Seems like all the original people in the debacle are all having great fun at interviews and events. Anniversaries are big ones! That's where they catch up with old buddies. As far as Jim LeLeavelle goes 'of course he's going to be on the Dallas Police Departments side. Do you think he'd go against them for one second? He's gotta go along with them. His pension and the side money he makes from interviews is worth sticking to a lie. Some of the original witness's have traveled to Europe and Japan on those Countries dimes!
Notice though that his friends are turning toward the conspiracy theorist, Like Marina Oswald Porter did! Soon it'll be just a handful of holdouts who still believe the Warren Commision's side of the assassination of Kennedy.
+Follow The Sun Soon it'll be just a handful of holdouts who still believe the Warren Commision's side of the assassination of Kennedy.- That statement is absurd. The "holdouts" as you call them are the conspiracy theorists and their bizarre tales.
Victor Fariello I disagree. The Conspiracy facts speak for themselves. There's more to the JFK assassination than meets the eye of the public. Even former Pres Ford said there may have been more than one lone gunman. And he was part of the Commission. There's enough info available to renew the request for a new commision. I'd hate to wait too long though. I was hoping to see some of the people involved charged with crimes. Like CIA operative & ex Prez Geo. Bush Sr who was part of the cleanup crew. Too bad USA National Interest (World Embarrassment) gets in the way.
Not much to explain. Northerner goes into southern territory gets shot.
Blaming the "entire south" for the murder of jfk is ludicrous.
I don't speak or understand 2nd place
This all seems like a joke to most of these people.
A murder was committed. They act like it was a birthday party.
All bs, all set up.
White Suit jimmy
Oh B.S. "We have the evidence to convict Oswald but what's the point of bringing it out now?" Talk about a conspiracy nut.
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Jim Revealle?
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