It’s not like this hasn’t been used for several years or pretend she’s British so she can talk about the al-loo-men-eum chassis, but even the British pronounce alcantara like everyone else.
@@blueciffer1653 DRR, SlimPen2, Typecover+silo, updated bigger screen bezels, Win11, better touch integration, LTE (all next year), Android App support (next year), better thermal design so better battery life... There's a lot of improvements. yes as this review says: Price really kills it dead. give it more generations and this will take off however. For now for those that can afford it's big improvement. Yes Intel 12th Gen will be a lot better for price performance ratio too...
@@jeanbaptistelabelle As you say, it depends what you compare to. This excels as a laptop comparison device with a decent (now) tablet experience (still not quite up to iPad on that). Hence take M1 Air which blows the market wide open on Performance:Price. That's the key, at this price compared to that baseline it really kills it for those who want a "companion device" but don't have the budget = most people. It's still a Business/Enterprise entry level price. So will have an audience who love it , but much smaller audience still. Sorry about the previous hyperbolic language but it was contextual. As said a few more gens and the price:performance ratio and convergence will make this form factor number 1 imho.
Are the replacement ssd proprietary from microsoft or you can buy them from other retailers ? I am trying to see what would cost me the upgrade in a year ot two if I don't have enough storage
@@JEYMS it’s not proprietary but the form factor is rare so there’s not too many options, from all i’m aware Windows Central has the info you’ll need to look for replacements
This version of Surface Pro is the one that should have been since Surface Pro 4. Also, people keep forgetting that an iPad uses a mobile OS and it feels like with each iteration, Apple is trying to make the iPad just like the Surface Pro. The flexibility of having a tablet, laptop, and workstation when docked makes this device worth the money. More flexibility then iPad OS and still has the tablet form factor for when you want to read ebooks, browse the web, etc. It beats ultra books because they still have the keyboard attached and have to be folded for tablet use. The Surface Pro 8 is the way. No question.
but it cant.. without adding a fan in there, thats why they limit the power of the M1 chip in there and limit software functionality bc that shi will explode
Exactly, that's the point, it can work as a laptop (with a laptop OS), it can work as a workstation as you can plug a e-GPU and attach many more things to it (multiplex monitor setup and other peripherals via USB-A etc..) and it can also work as a tablet as its thickness is less than 10mm. One of the keys is the processor, that's more capable now and even so still preserve a decent battery life. This can be named as "All in one" device is you max out to 1tb and 32gb, plus an e-GPU setup.
Respectfully I disagree. It's still a 2-in-1 for me because it makes an okay-ish tablet and okay-ish desktop (with an eGPU) but since it's not really _lappable,_ fails to be a "Laptop". I can never really balance those hinges on my legs in any comfortable position trying to type the way I do, so that made me return it at the end.
@@mini9503 Well it's personal preference, still I find the surface pro lineup quite Lapable if you fix the kickstand between your knees and have the rest sitting on you lap. It can even be a more stable platform then most laptops. You just need to make sure that it doesn't bother you to have those two relatively thin edges of the kickstand pushing against your legs.
@@mini9503 I get what you're saying. I have always found the Surface clunky as a handheld tablet, but great as a standalone tablet. There is certainly a learning curve for using the Surface as a "laptop" on trains and planes, but you learn to adapt. I suppose your point is that you shouldn't have to adapt. Fair, but it's a small sacrifice to pay for the Surface's potential when you remove the keyboard. With the addition of TB4 and the performance achievable with an eGPU and SSD, now the only thing keeping the Surface Pro from being the perfect all-in-one device is its lack of reparability.
A rear camera on a computer is handy for a quick photo when you have it to hand (e.g. of a whiteboard at a meeting or in a classroom, a page in a book, etc.)
00:23 52% better battery life? Did you test this? Toms Hardware did and only saw a 1 hour increase in battery life. That would mean that the battery went from 2 hours to 3 hours. Or did you mean it increased by 52%? This cant be correct either, the Surface Pro 7 had a battery of ~40Wh, the Surface Pro 8 is ~50Wh. Thats barely a 10-20% increase, depending on what actual size of battery you received.
Dana, I have been watching your reviews of Surface products for years now and you always do an amazing job. It would get great to see you do a review of the Surface Pro line and how they have improved (or not) over the years. You have the reviews to make the comparisons. Just a thought. Great job as always.
This is the first ti.e I've heard anyone getting more than 6 hrs on that battery. Short battery life is what holds me back. If I could reliably get 9 or 10 hours, I'd jump for this.
I have a question. Which one is more snappy and responsive (better real world performance), this or the ipad pro (or air)? That includes writing experience too.
The iPad Pro will be a little snappier, but you are limited by iPadOS on what you can do. Get enough RAM, storage, and dongles and the Surface Pro can be your home computer that you can take with you. Can’t do that with the iPad Pro because Apple will not let you.
@@danielhenderson8316 Have you tried the surface pro 8? Or you just assuming that ipad pro is noticeably snapper? I asked about writing experience too. Just for reference, I feel my galaxy tab s7 plus is just as snappy as my 2nd Gen ipad pro.
@@h1a8 - The M1 chip in the iPad Pro is faster and superior to any Intel mobile chip. To get to same amount of power out of Intel, you’re going to be using a lot more power which will kill battery life and kick the fans on. When the fans kick on, you will get a performance loss on the Surface Pro that will affect system wide responsiveness. Except for the 4:3 aspect ratio, anything that the iPad Pro and the Surface Pro can do, the iPad will do it better. Where the Surface Pro shines is it can also be used as your only computer that you can take with you. If you’re looking for just a tablet, get the iPad Pro. If you want a computer that can do tablet things, get the Surface Pro.
@@danielhenderson8316 Lmao I guess you didn't see my sentence on how the my s7 plus is equals to my 2nd Gen ipad pro when it comes noticable (not actual) differences to REAL world (not synthetic benchmarks) tasks like scrolling, opening apps, and screen responsiveness. Yet the benchmarks for iPad pro blow the s7 plus out of the water. My question is ONLY FOR THOSE WHO TRIED BOTH. Not for those who can only speculate. Now for intensive tasks (video editing, etc) then clearly the iPad wins over the s7 plus. But I'm speaking of only scrolling, opening apps and browsers and the most basic real world tasks. Here's food for thought. Type 9x9 in a $10 calculator and also in ipad pro. Hit enter on both. Which gives the answer faster? That's right, it is not noticable which one was faster although the iPad is hundreds of times faster.
@@h1a8 Your S7 isn’t fan cooled. As soon as the fan kicks on any x86 mobile device, there’s a performance hit to keep the processor from melting that an ARM processor does not have to deal with. It’s not my fault you’re too stupid to realize this and that the Surface Pro 8 is no exception. The iPad Pro will feel much snappier for a much longer period in both writing and in performance.
Don't buy surface laptop studio. I've seen the device, built quality is not so good for a device that costs that much. And there's a problem in the hing that makes screen pop forward.
The fact that Brad Colbow did a diagonal drawing test with the new surface pen and the jitter seems gone is a million times more practical and interesting than the 120hz. Ever since Microsoft abandoned Wacom EMR from their surface pros only after the second version, made the device kind of useless for artists. The n-trig thing they bought was horrible and the jiggly lines made it unusable for work. So this development is interesting. I wish all reviewers did the simple diagonal line tests, and tapering tests. Honestly scribbling random stuff and jotting down notes doesn’t say enough.
i second this comment. Endgadget, you make recommandations for microsoft on their strongpoints communication, but you missed the fact that, surface pro 8 is potentially very interesting for artists.... and completly forgot about a decent pen review. Saying ''the accessories make the experience of the surface pro'' and then blowing a strawberry in our faces by making a glitter doodoo on the screen..... i'm lacking words to describe the emotional rolercoaster this sad joke did to me. TEST THE ACCURACY GDMit !!!
@@Origam-I he is alluding to an assumption that they give Apple good reviews. Back to the point there are basic stylus test you can do to see if they are good for drawing. You don’t need to be a good artist. Just slow diagonal lines, slow curve and tapering tests. Clip studio and Photoshop have line smoothening options, but they come at a performance expense. Honestly if there is haptic engine in it, I think killing the jiggly line is more important than paper feelings
@@sloppynyuszi nothin' wrong rating it good if it is ;) apple pencil is very precise and have no jitter..but i hate apple brand and state of mind. for the point of the comment, spot on. just need a ruller and steady hands and ff sake stop writing "suscribe" or " channel name" or smiley face. 129 euros for the pen, over 4000 pres. lvl, a wonder of technology. first thing they all do ? draw three lines, drool over the haptic feeling and call it a day.
Use any USB-C Power Delivery (PD) compliant charger, and you won’t have any issues. Proprietary fast charging adapters like the ones OnePlus and Xiaomi use, won’t work.
@@GreeniusGenius Since Oneplus 8T they have PD standard included in their adapters. I've used mine with SP8 no problem. It's just slower than the official charger.
Thanks for the review. I would love to see a eGPU based review. 32 GB and the possibility of using a eGPU while working or gaming would be amazing especially while docked.
totally agreed. I Preordered the 32gb version with plans to have an egpu for work on the road, and its more than powerful enough for when I'm just using it normally.
@@charlesrodriguez3657 Yeah, there's a guy doing that and the results look really impressive. In fact, the Surface Pro + eGPU looks so impressive it will probably kill the new Surface Laptop Studio.
Really want the Pro 8 but not liking the loss of the microSD card. Here's my dilemma: the Pro 8 at $1199 with i5, 256gb SSD and 8gb RAM, the Pro 8 at $1699 with i7, 256gb SSD and 16gb RAM, or the Pro 7+ at a much more palatable $779. It has the same 11th gen i5 and 8gb RAM. Only has a 128gb SSD but comes with the microSD slot. All three models are bundled with type cover and pen (the Pro 8s come with new type cover and pen, of course). What do you think? Is the Surface Pro 8 worth that much more money?
It's funny how the raised keyboard position is considered ergonomic while Microsoft's own sculpt keyboard claims that a negative tilt is ergonomic while the positive tilt like the surface pro is harmful for your wrists.. I've been using the negative tilt sculpt keyboard for a while and I refuse to return to the so-called ergonomic tilt that you display here because it harms my wrists.
I have a Surface pro 4 and still love it, just wish I got 16 gigs vs 8 gigs of RAM. Love the dock and dual monitors, plus being able to grab it and go. No Ipad can do that. I would like a bigger screen than what I got and I don't think it is that great on the lap.
Also on Surface Pro 4 (i5,8G,256G). It just revived itself for me after installing W11 because I find the touch interface to be better refined. PS: I've bought it over three years ago used and it's battery is still fine. Sure it lost some capacity but I can still get through a whole day of university by using the power saving setting (can only speak for W10). Even though I've basically been daily driving it since I got it.
@@sntx_8250 So I guess you install W11 from iso file not from the “setting”? Because old intel processor doesn’t get update. Mine doesn’t get update too because not inetl 10th gen processor (or newer).
@@nuevoinvolve I have a SP4 (i5, 512GB) which i bought in 2017. It works fine although I wanted to get an updated bigger display and better pen which is why I am looking at SP8. My SP4 battery still runs for at 2 hrs at least on normal settings which is quite a difference from when I first got it but decent nonetheless. I do have to carry around my charger around though which is a pain in the ass.
My SP4 still works great one reason I am holding off on SLS and SP8 (despite loading my cart 4x), I find both very appealing. I'll grab one if a deal comes up or my SP4 dies. Most likely will hold out until 12 Gen or greater.
Nice review! I like these devices. It’s the closest Windows machines to MacBook quality. The only drawback for me is the glassy screen. I need to have a matte finish, especially when I am editing photos on Lightroom. The glare is really annoying. But overall I like it.
This is _completely_ unrelated, but I swear Dana has the naturally friendly face and voice in all of tech reviewing. Her personality wavelength feels akin to Lisa Su's and I'm all about it.🤘 Keep being your coolest self, Dana
If you don't need one right now, I would wait for the 12th gen Intel Alder Lake, that should be available relative soon. The new CPU seems to be a real step up from previous generations.
@@blueciffer1653 "Very limiting" is a demonstrably wrong opinion. For 90% of common functions iOS is simpler, more efficient and more reliable. For deeper cuts it is amazing how far the M1 gets for a first release. I completely understand not wanting to learn a new system but this new SP is quite pricy for minor performance improvement and windows 11 brings change anyway....
I assume they are not promoting the 120Hz due to no dynamic refresh yet so it means a massive battery hit which devalues the feature considerably. Hopefully, MS can develop dynamic refresh sooner rather than later? The price seems to be a Dell-like premium, that is, charging you a big wedge of cash for the smaller bezels? If aesthetics are worth that $350 extra cost then all well and good, but as with Dell, I prefer to ignore such pricing for a prettier display! The deal-breaker is that the chip is about to be discontinued and I cannot imagine any sensible people paying so much and missing out on the 12th gen? Save your money and if you are a hardcore Surface fan then wait for the inevitable big discounts once Kaby Lake machines flood the market.
Yes, nicer hardware is...more expensive. That is the difference between an iPad Pro and generic tablet for instance. Also, your advice is...to wait for future more powerful CPU ? Then you never purchase anything i guess...
Yeah the problem is though is that the 12th gen surface devices won’t come out until next fall. If you’re constantly waiting one more year for better tech, you’ll never wind up buying anything at all.
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. No one cares about chipsets, which is why people keep their laptops/desktops 5 to 7 years. And business don't upgrade their computers for new chipsets either. They also keep their laptops/desktops for years before upgrading. Why do people keep posting such nonsense...
Yep, poor room acoustics and no mention that the iPad Pro isn't a PC and can't run apps that the Surface Pro can run. Also, I get that some reviewers just can't get their heads around the keyboard being sold separately (just like the iPad) but they never seem to notice that retailers often sell bundles with a Surface Pro and a keyboard.
MS doesn’t push 120Hz b/c it is primarily purchased as a productivity machine and only a tab second. 120Hz does nothing for productivity. Screen real estate and battery life does. Also missing here is the comparison to buying this instead of both a laptop AND tablet. I use the SP7+ for both of those AND my office workstation. Compared to $3k+ I’d spend on all those this is a steal. Even just comparing to a laptop it’s equivalent plus you get a tablet with excellent pen input. I’m disappointed there’s no review of pen quality (esp jitter which is still an issue on my device).
They brag about the 120hz display then don't enable it because they also brag about battery life, which is disappointing if you rune the 120hz. Battery life is what justifies the added weight.... If you like your SP7, keep using it. The new fluff is not worth the $$$$ upgrade.
@@skyak4493 According to the reviewer they don’t brag about it enough. It’s probably nice, but in terms of priorities I think MS has it right. For me the 7+ has the same chipset, so I’ll pass. I figure on waiting a gen or so to get a better chipset and dynamic refresh to save battery and reduce the weight back down.
Listen, I totally get that some sacrifices had to be made to YT channels like this when the pandemic came along, but SERIOUSLY? This is a 1.3M subbed channel, with a whole digital network attached, and this """reviewer""" couldn't get a slightly better microphone than her toilet bowl? I'm serious, the Apple AirPods usually sounds better than whatever the heck she used. It just peeves me to see such a popular channel not give a crap about their quality after this much time.
@@TellurdogIsayhi no, I won’t blame the device. Because they’re professionals. No professional company relies on the in device mic to make a review. What kind of an excuse is that?
It’s acceptable if they tell you in advance, but pretending you’re not doing it is a problem. It would be neat to have a disclaimer saying they entire video was shot and edited on the device they’re reviewing, but if she’s suppose to be an editor-in-chief and this is the level of quality she’s capable of, then she’s been promoted over her ability.
It is the weight that seems to be the big drawback. It is not an tablet at 1kg. You cannot use it as tablet for reading. Surface Pro 6 is still manageable. IPad Pro 11 too seems to double as tablet pretty well.
I'm sorry, but this wasn't a great review, quality wise. I like the lady, she's nice. But the sound quality was very poor and she was merely reading a script. And yes, I know all reviewers read a pre elaborated text, but it rarely is as obvious as in this case. This is intended as constructive criticism and nothing else - I still hit the thumbs up. Cheers.
Wonders if I will have to buy a Surface 12 after 2025 when win10 isn't supported anymore and my Surface 5 bricks itself. They replaced Surface 5 for free mind you (out of warranty), when the Surface 4's battery expanded, pushed the left half of the glass in a curve but did not shatter. Felt spongy, you could see computer hardware through the gap from the bowing glass. Oddly, a Surface 4 is all you need if it's only for RUclips and browsing the web.
It is funny. Most of the Apple reviewers find it easy to bash Microsoft for not including the keyboard and stylus but have a hard time bashing Apple for not including their keyboards and Apple pen. I have noticed this from almost every major tech reviewer. Funny!
Man i love my surface, but I don't know if a new gen would be worth almost $2000 including the keyboard and pen... I'm just wishing the iPad pro will eventually reach parity with a Surface.
Apple has the hardware, but they refuse to even edit the operating system to allow it. There’s no reason I should have to treat a $1,500 tablet like a 30 year old iPod to get videos and music off my computer.
Or you're an Apple sheep that can't admit that most of the flaws in Apple's products were out there by Apple. There no reason for the MacBook Air to exists since the M1 iPad Pro could run MacOS and be a real computer. And a 3:2 screen will always be superior to a 4:3 screen.
@@Gonzax maybe ... hopefully there will be a way to do it properly ... but someone also pointed out replacing it yourself voids your warranty. This may be like the SP7+ where the removable SSD is for enterprises to fix their own PCs and not for the general user.
The i7 only provides a 8%-10% performance boost in benchmarking, meaning in real life you won't notice unless you're using it for video editing work. Save the $800 and get the i5/16GB/256GB. You can use that money to buy the keyboard & pen, Dock 2, external monitor, and still have money left over.
good time to buy a knock down price pro7+ which I just did, basically they are the same except refresh rate and thunderbolt that I don't really care for
People banged on about the Surface Pro 7 not being good enough, people banged on about the Surface Pro X not being good even more. Microsoft gave you what you wanted, in spades. Now you bang on about its to expensive 🤦♂️. Here's me very happy with what Microsoft gave us 2 years ago. The Pro X and I paid under 900 for it new. eBay 👍
price is crazy, a $899 M1 macbook air will greatly out perform even the highest most expensive intel i7 sp8 which will cost more than twice the price before buying the overpricd keyboard
This thing really is not a $1100 device, it's $1280. the keyboard just is a MUST have and it's a joke that Microsoft is seriously selling it separately.
Summary - when you really like the product but you are a apple fanboy - this review shows how it is done . After every feature add " But .... It can be done better " . Now watch the video . And notice after the reviewer go through each and every feature 😂😂😂 you will hear " But ......"
This is the best Surface Pro by a country mile. However, the price is exorbitant. If there’s a sale on the keyboard or the device itself, I would seriously consider it. A $100 discount would make this purchase more palatable.
I got one for my business. With tax reductions and by doing a SSD swap by myself I got the i7/16GB/1TB model for -50% discount basically. Pretty good deal IMO!
Windows is a very bad tablet system, and Surface itself is a very bad laptop, you can't really use it on your lap or carry it around use it as you walk as a laptop. I had Surface Pro 7, and a Surface Pro 8 from my job, never liked it.
As much as I respect your opinion, you are in the minority with yours - just reading various comments and watching reviews tells me a whole different story about the device. Also, I never really understood this "lappability" as a point personally, I never really use laptops like that (but I do understand some people do).
Why she reading during review ? She has 4 minutes of time when camera is on her face and she is not capable to remember couple sentences. This is RUclips generation of ppl...
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Wait, did she call Alcântara……. Ale-con-tra 😅
That hurt me too 😂😂
As someone who likes cars, I am hurt🥲
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It’s not like this hasn’t been used for several years or pretend she’s British so she can talk about the al-loo-men-eum chassis, but even the British pronounce alcantara like everyone else.
Over here becoming one of her biggest fans huh? Can't get famous with out the haters😉. Thank God for the amount of engagement you guys provided 😍🥰🤩
Wouldn't call Surface Pro 8 as an incremental update. This is the update people wanted for years.
i mean..
- thinner bezels
- 120hz
@@blueciffer1653 DRR, SlimPen2, Typecover+silo, updated bigger screen bezels, Win11, better touch integration, LTE (all next year), Android App support (next year), better thermal design so better battery life...
There's a lot of improvements. yes as this review says: Price really kills it dead. give it more generations and this will take off however. For now for those that can afford it's big improvement. Yes Intel 12th Gen will be a lot better for price performance ratio too...
@@commentarytalk1446 price is more or less the same as the Pro 7 last year. What is this myth?
Thunderbolt 4 will help enormously when rendering 3d models using a egpu and video card which can also be used for gaming if wanted to.
@@jeanbaptistelabelle As you say, it depends what you compare to. This excels as a laptop comparison device with a decent (now) tablet experience (still not quite up to iPad on that). Hence take M1 Air which blows the market wide open on Performance:Price. That's the key, at this price compared to that baseline it really kills it for those who want a "companion device" but don't have the budget = most people. It's still a Business/Enterprise entry level price. So will have an audience who love it , but much smaller audience still.
Sorry about the previous hyperbolic language but it was contextual. As said a few more gens and the price:performance ratio and convergence will make this form factor number 1 imho.
You forgot to mention about its removable hard drive at the back.
It uses a HD?
Are the replacement ssd proprietary from microsoft or you can buy them from other retailers ? I am trying to see what would cost me the upgrade in a year ot two if I don't have enough storage
@@JEYMS it’s not proprietary but the form factor is rare so there’s not too many options, from all i’m aware
Windows Central has the info you’ll need to look for replacements
@@dl5fse990 thanks!
@@JEYMS Microsoft warns against changing the SSD yourself or it will void the warranty.
This version of Surface Pro is the one that should have been since Surface Pro 4. Also, people keep forgetting that an iPad uses a mobile OS and it feels like with each iteration, Apple is trying to make the iPad just like the Surface Pro. The flexibility of having a tablet, laptop, and workstation when docked makes this device worth the money. More flexibility then iPad OS and still has the tablet form factor for when you want to read ebooks, browse the web, etc. It beats ultra books because they still have the keyboard attached and have to be folded for tablet use. The Surface Pro 8 is the way. No question.
iPad OS is still 🗑
but it cant.. without adding a fan in there, thats why they limit the power of the M1 chip in there and limit software functionality bc that shi will explode
The Surface Pro is considered a 2in1 but it's really a 3in1, and I think it's potential as a workstation is its greatest feature.
Exactly, that's the point, it can work as a laptop (with a laptop OS), it can work as a workstation as you can plug a e-GPU and attach many more things to it (multiplex monitor setup and other peripherals via USB-A etc..) and it can also work as a tablet as its thickness is less than 10mm. One of the keys is the processor, that's more capable now and even so still preserve a decent battery life. This can be named as "All in one" device is you max out to 1tb and 32gb, plus an e-GPU setup.
Respectfully I disagree. It's still a 2-in-1 for me because it makes an okay-ish tablet and okay-ish desktop (with an eGPU) but since it's not really _lappable,_ fails to be a "Laptop". I can never really balance those hinges on my legs in any comfortable position trying to type the way I do, so that made me return it at the end.
@@mini9503 Well it's personal preference, still I find the surface pro lineup quite Lapable if you fix the kickstand between your knees and have the rest sitting on you lap.
It can even be a more stable platform then most laptops.
You just need to make sure that it doesn't bother you to have those two relatively thin edges of the kickstand pushing against your legs.
@@mini9503 I get what you're saying. I have always found the Surface clunky as a handheld tablet, but great as a standalone tablet. There is certainly a learning curve for using the Surface as a "laptop" on trains and planes, but you learn to adapt. I suppose your point is that you shouldn't have to adapt.
Fair, but it's a small sacrifice to pay for the Surface's potential when you remove the keyboard.
With the addition of TB4 and the performance achievable with an eGPU and SSD, now the only thing keeping the Surface Pro from being the perfect all-in-one device is its lack of reparability.
HP Elite X3 is the only true 3 in 1 device.
A rear camera on a computer is handy for a quick photo when you have it to hand (e.g. of a whiteboard at a meeting or in a classroom, a page in a book, etc.)
Automatic driver update made available the option of dynamic screen refresh 60-120 Hz
00:23 52% better battery life? Did you test this? Toms Hardware did and only saw a 1 hour increase in battery life. That would mean that the battery went from 2 hours to 3 hours. Or did you mean it increased by 52%? This cant be correct either, the Surface Pro 7 had a battery of ~40Wh, the Surface Pro 8 is ~50Wh. Thats barely a 10-20% increase, depending on what actual size of battery you received.
I believe what they're referring to is the rated 10.5 hours from the pro 7 to the 16 rated hours on the Pro 8.
How about connecting to an external monitor?
What matters most in Displays for Every Several Decades:
1990's - 2000's: Color Depth
2010's - 2020's: Refresh Rate
What about resolution?
Dana, I have been watching your reviews of Surface products for years now and you always do an amazing job. It would get great to see you do a review of the Surface Pro line and how they have improved (or not) over the years. You have the reviews to make the comparisons. Just a thought. Great job as always.
Waiting for the LTE Advance version i7 to be released. Wish the screen was OLED or Mini LED 120hz HDR 10bit.
Would you recommend this laptop for developers with 8 gbs of ram
Microsoft messed up the pricing on the surface pro 8. Too expensive
If it wasn't for this parts when we look at her reading the script - pretty nice review! Also Ale-con-tra is interesting way of reading alcantara...
This is my dream device. I am not able to afford it though. It costs much more than an m1 ipad pro where i live. even the base model.
I live in a country where the base model is $1,799 but my dad bought it for me for school
@@matilda_janee is it good?
SP8 is the 9th gen though, we had SP7+ in-between SP7 and 8.
This is the first ti.e I've heard anyone getting more than 6 hrs on that battery. Short battery life is what holds me back. If I could reliably get 9 or 10 hours, I'd jump for this.
Same here. I’d like to get at least 8 hrs without too much load. Don’t think I’ll ever use 120fps mode, so maybe that’s the difference?
I have a question. Which one is more snappy and responsive (better real world performance), this or the ipad pro (or air)? That includes writing experience too.
The iPad Pro will be a little snappier, but you are limited by iPadOS on what you can do. Get enough RAM, storage, and dongles and the Surface Pro can be your home computer that you can take with you. Can’t do that with the iPad Pro because Apple will not let you.
@@danielhenderson8316 Have you tried the surface pro 8? Or you just assuming that ipad pro is noticeably snapper? I asked about writing experience too.
Just for reference, I feel my galaxy tab s7 plus is just as snappy as my 2nd Gen ipad pro.
@@h1a8 - The M1 chip in the iPad Pro is faster and superior to any Intel mobile chip. To get to same amount of power out of Intel, you’re going to be using a lot more power which will kill battery life and kick the fans on. When the fans kick on, you will get a performance loss on the Surface Pro that will affect system wide responsiveness. Except for the 4:3 aspect ratio, anything that the iPad Pro and the Surface Pro can do, the iPad will do it better. Where the Surface Pro shines is it can also be used as your only computer that you can take with you.
If you’re looking for just a tablet, get the iPad Pro. If you want a computer that can do tablet things, get the Surface Pro.
@@danielhenderson8316 Lmao
I guess you didn't see my sentence on how the my s7 plus is equals to my 2nd Gen ipad pro when it comes noticable (not actual) differences to REAL world (not synthetic benchmarks) tasks like scrolling, opening apps, and screen responsiveness. Yet the benchmarks for iPad pro blow the s7 plus out of the water.
My question is ONLY FOR THOSE WHO TRIED BOTH. Not for those who can only speculate.
Now for intensive tasks (video editing, etc) then clearly the iPad wins over the s7 plus. But I'm speaking of only scrolling, opening apps and browsers and the most basic real world tasks.
Here's food for thought. Type 9x9 in a $10 calculator and also in ipad pro. Hit enter on both. Which gives the answer faster?
That's right, it is not noticable which one was faster although the iPad is hundreds of times faster.
@@h1a8 Your S7 isn’t fan cooled. As soon as the fan kicks on any x86 mobile device, there’s a performance hit to keep the processor from melting that an ARM processor does not have to deal with. It’s not my fault you’re too stupid to realize this and that the Surface Pro 8 is no exception. The iPad Pro will feel much snappier for a much longer period in both writing and in performance.
I’m trying to make up my mind between this, Surface Laptop Studio, Laptop 4 and the Book 3
Don't buy surface laptop studio. I've seen the device, built quality is not so good for a device that costs that much. And there's a problem in the hing that makes screen pop forward.
@@TheEhtesham34 Alright! I was thinking about getting the Pro 8 instead
The fact that Brad Colbow did a diagonal drawing test with the new surface pen and the jitter seems gone is a million times more practical and interesting than the 120hz.
Ever since Microsoft abandoned Wacom EMR from their surface pros only after the second version, made the device kind of useless for artists. The n-trig thing they bought was horrible and the jiggly lines made it unusable for work.
So this development is interesting. I wish all reviewers did the simple diagonal line tests, and tapering tests. Honestly scribbling random stuff and jotting down notes doesn’t say enough.
i second this comment. Endgadget, you make recommandations for microsoft on their strongpoints communication, but you missed the fact that, surface pro 8 is potentially very interesting for artists.... and completly forgot about a decent pen review. Saying ''the accessories make the experience of the surface pro'' and then blowing a strawberry in our faces by making a glitter doodoo on the screen..... i'm lacking words to describe the emotional rolercoaster this sad joke did to me. TEST THE ACCURACY GDMit !!!
@@Origam-I You are expecting way too much from an Apple channel...lol
@@msp5138 oh, didn't know they are an apple channel, can you pls explain why you said they were ?
@@Origam-I he is alluding to an assumption that they give Apple good reviews.
Back to the point there are basic stylus test you can do to see if they are good for drawing. You don’t need to be a good artist. Just slow diagonal lines, slow curve and tapering tests. Clip studio and Photoshop have line smoothening options, but they come at a performance expense.
Honestly if there is haptic engine in it, I think killing the jiggly line is more important than paper feelings
@@sloppynyuszi nothin' wrong rating it good if it is ;) apple pencil is very precise and have no jitter..but i hate apple brand and state of mind.
for the point of the comment, spot on. just need a ruller and steady hands and ff sake stop writing "suscribe" or " channel name" or smiley face.
129 euros for the pen, over 4000 pres. lvl, a wonder of technology. first thing they all do ? draw three lines, drool over the haptic feeling and call it a day.
Can i charge it with usb C mobile charger? Or have to use the proprietary charger?
Yes, you can use USB-C to charge it too. You need a 65w charger for full charging rate though.
@@PhazonBlaxor thanks 😊
Use any USB-C Power Delivery (PD) compliant charger, and you won’t have any issues.
Proprietary fast charging adapters like the ones OnePlus and Xiaomi use, won’t work.
@@GreeniusGenius Since Oneplus 8T they have PD standard included in their adapters. I've used mine with SP8 no problem. It's just slower than the official charger.
Thanks for the review. I would love to see a eGPU based review. 32 GB and the possibility of using a eGPU while working or gaming would be amazing especially while docked.
There's a youtuber that did post a video testing that. can't remember who, but the test/review exists
totally agreed. I Preordered the 32gb version with plans to have an egpu for work on the road, and its more than powerful enough for when I'm just using it normally.
@@charlesrodriguez3657 Yeah, there's a guy doing that and the results look really impressive. In fact, the Surface Pro + eGPU looks so impressive it will probably kill the new Surface Laptop Studio.
Really want the Pro 8 but not liking the loss of the microSD card. Here's my dilemma: the Pro 8 at $1199 with i5, 256gb SSD and 8gb RAM, the Pro 8 at $1699 with i7, 256gb SSD and 16gb RAM, or the Pro 7+ at a much more palatable $779. It has the same 11th gen i5 and 8gb RAM. Only has a 128gb SSD but comes with the microSD slot. All three models are bundled with type cover and pen (the Pro 8s come with new type cover and pen, of course). What do you think? Is the Surface Pro 8 worth that much more money?
mmmmm audio can be a lot better ... the review is awesome but just the audio ain't the best...
I’m guessing she used the onboard mic…so, blame the device for having poor mic quality, I guess.
I have a sp5 that needs a new battery, but you have to completely dissasemble it to do so... So no more tablets for me, theyre basucally disposable
It's funny how the raised keyboard position is considered ergonomic while Microsoft's own sculpt keyboard claims that a negative tilt is ergonomic while the positive tilt like the surface pro is harmful for your wrists..
I've been using the negative tilt sculpt keyboard for a while and I refuse to return to the so-called ergonomic tilt that you display here because it harms my wrists.
6:44 - Me trying to convince friends that Surface products are actually good now.
They are though.
@@NavodB Definitely agree.
@@NavodB expensive but worth it.
Isn't there a Keyboard Without the Alcantara Finish that is Cheaper???
I have a Surface pro 4 and still love it, just wish I got 16 gigs vs 8 gigs of RAM. Love the dock and dual monitors, plus being able to grab it and go. No Ipad can do that. I would like a bigger screen than what I got and I don't think it is that great on the lap.
How is the battery? Mine SP5 can be turn on while plug in only. 😢
Also on Surface Pro 4 (i5,8G,256G).
It just revived itself for me after installing W11 because I find the touch interface to be better refined.
PS: I've bought it over three years ago used and it's battery is still fine.
Sure it lost some capacity but I can still get through a whole day of university by using the power saving setting (can only speak for W10).
Even though I've basically been daily driving it since I got it.
@@sntx_8250 So I guess you install W11 from iso file not from the “setting”? Because old intel processor doesn’t get update. Mine doesn’t get update too because not inetl 10th gen processor (or newer).
@@nuevoinvolve I have a SP4 (i5, 512GB) which i bought in 2017. It works fine although I wanted to get an updated bigger display and better pen which is why I am looking at SP8. My SP4 battery still runs for at 2 hrs at least on normal settings which is quite a difference from when I first got it but decent nonetheless. I do have to carry around my charger around though which is a pain in the ass.
My SP4 still works great one reason I am holding off on SLS and SP8 (despite loading my cart 4x), I find both very appealing. I'll grab one if a deal comes up or my SP4 dies. Most likely will hold out until 12 Gen or greater.
I think last surfacecpro you reviewed was surface pro 2
Nice review! I like these devices. It’s the closest Windows machines to MacBook quality. The only drawback for me is the glassy screen. I need to have a matte finish, especially when I am editing photos on Lightroom. The glare is really annoying. But overall I like it.
They don’t add matte to these so it feels better with a stylus. I’m pretty sure matte screen covers exist.
Matte also slightly decreases contrast, something that will impact a Lightroom workflow
This is _completely_ unrelated, but I swear Dana has the naturally friendly face and voice in all of tech reviewing. Her personality wavelength feels akin to Lisa Su's and I'm all about it.🤘 Keep being your coolest self, Dana
If you don't need one right now, I would wait for the 12th gen Intel Alder Lake, that should be available relative soon. The new CPU seems to be a real step up from previous generations.
Then wait for the 13th gen
@@nickh4676 Yeah good idea!
@@nickh4676 Or just get the M1 iPad pro today for less money and better performance than 13th gen Intel. 14th gen intel will be arm anyway.
@@skyak4493 better performance....on a very limiting mobile operating system that can't take advantage of the hardware
@@blueciffer1653 "Very limiting" is a demonstrably wrong opinion. For 90% of common functions iOS is simpler, more efficient and more reliable. For deeper cuts it is amazing how far the M1 gets for a first release. I completely understand not wanting to learn a new system but this new SP is quite pricy for minor performance improvement and windows 11 brings change anyway....
The Surface Pro 8 is a beast when it comes to the price...... but the Surface Pro is my favorite Surface product to date!
Surface pro 8 vs Samsung galaxy pook pro 360?
xps 2 in 1 is the better laptop
'Price Hike'? - Forgot to mention the 'Spec Hike'?
I assume they are not promoting the 120Hz due to no dynamic refresh yet so it means a massive battery hit which devalues the feature considerably. Hopefully, MS can develop dynamic refresh sooner rather than later?
The price seems to be a Dell-like premium, that is, charging you a big wedge of cash for the smaller bezels? If aesthetics are worth that $350 extra cost then all well and good, but as with Dell, I prefer to ignore such pricing for a prettier display! The deal-breaker is that the chip is about to be discontinued and I cannot imagine any sensible people paying so much and missing out on the 12th gen? Save your money and if you are a hardcore Surface fan then wait for the inevitable big discounts once Kaby Lake machines flood the market.
Yes, nicer hardware is...more expensive. That is the difference between an iPad Pro and generic tablet for instance. Also, your advice is...to wait for future more powerful CPU ? Then you never purchase anything i guess...
Yeah the problem is though is that the 12th gen surface devices won’t come out until next fall. If you’re constantly waiting one more year for better tech, you’ll never wind up buying anything at all.
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. No one cares about chipsets, which is why people keep their laptops/desktops 5 to 7 years. And business don't upgrade their computers for new chipsets either. They also keep their laptops/desktops for years before upgrading. Why do people keep posting such nonsense...
So... MacBooks can get these high production value reviews, but Microsoft products get the scratchy mic review treatment?
Yep, poor room acoustics and no mention that the iPad Pro isn't a PC and can't run apps that the Surface Pro can run. Also, I get that some reviewers just can't get their heads around the keyboard being sold separately (just like the iPad) but they never seem to notice that retailers often sell bundles with a Surface Pro and a keyboard.
I’m guessing she probably recorded with the onboard mic…so the fact that it’s scratchy is unfortunate.
@Its Wes I don't think so. I think on one of the clips it showed her speaking into a mic.
@RL inWA Right. IPad isn't even a full computer, and Apple is never going to make it one. So why would it be a fair comparison.
@@DarkstalkerZero ah. I was basing my assumption on the clip she included of her recording using the front facing camera.
WAIT YOU CAN REVERSE YHE PEN TO USE IT AS AN ERASER I HAD NO IDEA xD
I get 5h of battery life at 60hz on 30%
MS doesn’t push 120Hz b/c it is primarily purchased as a productivity machine and only a tab second. 120Hz does nothing for productivity. Screen real estate and battery life does. Also missing here is the comparison to buying this instead of both a laptop AND tablet. I use the SP7+ for both of those AND my office workstation. Compared to $3k+ I’d spend on all those this is a steal. Even just comparing to a laptop it’s equivalent plus you get a tablet with excellent pen input. I’m disappointed there’s no review of pen quality (esp jitter which is still an issue on my device).
They brag about the 120hz display then don't enable it because they also brag about battery life, which is disappointing if you rune the 120hz. Battery life is what justifies the added weight....
If you like your SP7, keep using it. The new fluff is not worth the $$$$ upgrade.
@@skyak4493 According to the reviewer they don’t brag about it enough. It’s probably nice, but in terms of priorities I think MS has it right. For me the 7+ has the same chipset, so I’ll pass. I figure on waiting a gen or so to get a better chipset and dynamic refresh to save battery and reduce the weight back down.
“Alley contra” lol.
Sweet...Pulls out the keyboard and pen to watch a video 3:26
Listen, I totally get that some sacrifices had to be made to YT channels like this when the pandemic came along, but SERIOUSLY? This is a 1.3M subbed channel, with a whole digital network attached, and this """reviewer""" couldn't get a slightly better microphone than her toilet bowl? I'm serious, the Apple AirPods usually sounds better than whatever the heck she used. It just peeves me to see such a popular channel not give a crap about their quality after this much time.
Guessing she probably used the onboard mic on the surface…so, blame the device.
@@TellurdogIsayhi no, I won’t blame the device. Because they’re professionals. No professional company relies on the in device mic to make a review. What kind of an excuse is that?
It’s acceptable if they tell you in advance, but pretending you’re not doing it is a problem. It would be neat to have a disclaimer saying they entire video was shot and edited on the device they’re reviewing, but if she’s suppose to be an editor-in-chief and this is the level of quality she’s capable of, then she’s been promoted over her ability.
It is the weight that seems to be the big drawback. It is not an tablet at 1kg. You cannot use it as tablet for reading. Surface Pro 6 is still manageable. IPad Pro 11 too seems to double as tablet pretty well.
I'm sorry, but this wasn't a great review, quality wise. I like the lady, she's nice. But the sound quality was very poor and she was merely reading a script. And yes, I know all reviewers read a pre elaborated text, but it rarely is as obvious as in this case. This is intended as constructive criticism and nothing else - I still hit the thumbs up. Cheers.
Agreed, she’s good and the info is decent, but the production quality is pretty low. Yes, we’re all working from home but get a pro mic at least!
Man, all I want is a tab like design with a built in pen... Is that so much to ask for?
want the LTE version!!!!! But bummed out it only goes up to 512mb
The hard drive is easily upgradable and easy to get to. All you need is a SIM tool and a screwdriver to swap them out.
Wonders if I will have to buy a Surface 12 after 2025 when win10 isn't supported anymore and my Surface 5 bricks itself. They replaced Surface 5 for free mind you (out of warranty), when the Surface 4's battery expanded, pushed the left half of the glass in a curve but did not shatter. Felt spongy, you could see computer hardware through the gap from the bowing glass. Oddly, a Surface 4 is all you need if it's only for RUclips and browsing the web.
So basically it costs the same but it doesn't have an i3 option
3:23 "pull out" "tough to grab onto" lool
It is funny. Most of the Apple reviewers find it easy to bash Microsoft for not including the keyboard and stylus but have a hard time bashing Apple for not including their keyboards and Apple pen. I have noticed this from almost every major tech reviewer. Funny!
Haven't thought about that, but this is totally true. Weird now that you mentioned it!
Why else would you get the surface pro if your not expecting to use a stylus? I think most people who uses SP were attracted because of that …
I'm really glad to see the Surface Pro finally gets a much-needed Thunderbolt 4 port. But I'll wait until Microsoft or the rivals use LPDDR5-6400 RAM.
Wait when it has ARM with the new 12th gen intel
try to talk to the camera next time... it will be better
52% better battery life must be based on the claimed life - with 120hz enabled it’s probably a 52% reduction
Man i love my surface, but I don't know if a new gen would be worth almost $2000 including the keyboard and pen...
I'm just wishing the iPad pro will eventually reach parity with a Surface.
Apple has the hardware, but they refuse to even edit the operating system to allow it. There’s no reason I should have to treat a $1,500 tablet like a 30 year old iPod to get videos and music off my computer.
@@danielhenderson8316 OneDrive works fine on iPad, iPhone and Mac, as do many other cloud storage programs.
iPad Pro is way beyond the Surface pro. If that isn't obvious, the apps you run are not very demanding.
Or you're an Apple sheep that can't admit that most of the flaws in Apple's products were out there by Apple. There no reason for the MacBook Air to exists since the M1 iPad Pro could run MacOS and be a real computer.
And a 3:2 screen will always be superior to a 4:3 screen.
@@danielhenderson8316 ...an apple sheep that owns and loves their Surface Pro 7. So close, buddy
Removing the SD card slot was an awful idea
oh no! I agree ... but I was using it to supplement storage, so I guess I'll upgrade the SSD.
@@dswartze But then you lose your windows installation, right? and it's also a weird-sized SSD, not easy to find.
@@Gonzax maybe ... hopefully there will be a way to do it properly ... but someone also pointed out replacing it yourself voids your warranty. This may be like the SP7+ where the removable SSD is for enterprises to fix their own PCs and not for the general user.
Why are there now comparisons with the Surface Pro X? Such an obvious comparison.
3200 in Canada for one with an i7 and 1tb ssd. Plus for that price you don't even get the keyboard lmao. What are they smoking?
The i7 only provides a 8%-10% performance boost in benchmarking, meaning in real life you won't notice unless you're using it for video editing work.
Save the $800 and get the i5/16GB/256GB. You can use that money to buy the keyboard & pen, Dock 2, external monitor, and still have money left over.
Great gadget review 7 stars 🌟 🤩
This ought to be the form factor for PCs.
This is Surface Pro 8. But it reminds me Surface Pro X
good time to buy a knock down price pro7+ which I just did, basically they are the same except refresh rate and thunderbolt that I don't really care for
All I see is a person reading a script
People banged on about the Surface Pro 7 not being good enough, people banged on about the Surface Pro X not being good even more. Microsoft gave you what you wanted, in spades. Now you bang on about its to expensive 🤦♂️. Here's me very happy with what Microsoft gave us 2 years ago. The Pro X and I paid under 900 for it new. eBay 👍
I paid $445.00 at Best Buy open item. It looks and works great. lol
Also I use it more than my Ipad Pro 12.9 M1. Apple ecosystem is crap. I don't care what benchmarks shows. $1500 piece of crap.
price is crazy, a $899 M1 macbook air will greatly out perform even the highest most expensive intel i7 sp8 which will cost more than twice the price before buying the overpricd keyboard
This thing really is not a $1100 device, it's $1280. the keyboard just is a MUST have and it's a joke that Microsoft is seriously selling it separately.
Yes she did. Minor NIS
Way too expensive for what it is
Summary - when you really like the product but you are a apple fanboy - this review shows how it is done . After every feature add " But .... It can be done better " . Now watch the video . And notice after the reviewer go through each and every feature 😂😂😂 you will hear " But ......"
Great review. Thanks,
“Alacantra”. Uhhmm ekey
the sound is very bad and you are just reading what is written on the article like a robot
Surface Pro 8 ❤❤
All we need is better, more efficient processor. Come on Intel.
I just wish they have bezelless tablets already.
The only cool thing of note is the new pen
XPS and other laptops should compare to....Surface Laptop, not the Pro
It’s not “alacontra” it’s ALCANTARA
Just stopped watching because of the reviewers sound recording quality.
it’s pretty bad, on top of the fact that it’s really obvious she’s reading from a script because she doesn’t look near the camera when speaking
Alcantara...you read it Alicantra....lmao
"Ala Cantra" lol
This is the best Surface Pro by a country mile. However, the price is exorbitant. If there’s a sale on the keyboard or the device itself, I would seriously consider it. A $100 discount would make this purchase more palatable.
I got one for my business. With tax reductions and by doing a SSD swap by myself I got the i7/16GB/1TB model for -50% discount basically. Pretty good deal IMO!
Waiting for the Surface Pro X 2 - slimmer, lighter, fanless and hopefully with a much improved SOC :-)
No wonder Apple is so amazing
So awesome they gimp the iPad Pro with a version of iOS. If Apple could make the iPad Pro an Apple Surface Pro, their sales would fly off the chart.
Engadget is 100% an Apple channel, so why do people come here for Windows reviews?
huh? they barely make apple videos lol
Microsoft has finally milled that old, outdated design....
Oh, thanks. Sheesh.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Engadget always have to say something against Microsoft products on the video titles. "But" "Pricier" "Heavy" "Thicker". Etc 🙄
When iPad OS can organize file like desktop drag n drop and M1 can run most of the Program on iPad
That's the end of all surface product.
Windows is a very bad tablet system, and Surface itself is a very bad laptop, you can't really use it on your lap or carry it around use it as you walk as a laptop. I had Surface Pro 7, and a Surface Pro 8 from my job, never liked it.
As much as I respect your opinion, you are in the minority with yours - just reading various comments and watching reviews tells me a whole different story about the device.
Also, I never really understood this "lappability" as a point personally, I never really use laptops like that (but I do understand some people do).
Why make it so obvious you're reading your review from a screen? Don't do that again, please.
And basically filmed on a webcam! So unprofessional!
Alacontra?? Try Alcantara, ya lazy amateur.
Why she reading during review ? She has 4 minutes of time when camera is on her face and she is not capable to remember couple sentences. This is RUclips generation of ppl...
Ale-Con... What? Video Disliked.
Cringe, Cringe, Cringe
Surface pro 8 is too expensive
Why? its added a lot and runs great?
@@tombyrne6433 Looks good, however after adding the cost of keyboard and pen, it becomes more expensive than XPS 13 and DELL spectre x360
@@anishshrestha8772 Which I could care less about they are not Surface which I like
Ouch my ears! Review 7/10 sound 0.5/10