Is Clean Meat Vegan? Does It Matter?
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- I was going to make a video about Upside Foods and their recent victory, but then I realized I've never made a dedicated clean meat video. So here we go!
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Would you eat clean meat? Also, Happy Thanksgiving!
I would’ve before finding out about all the biopsies! I’ve done many biopsies and had a few myself, and if you’re choosing to do it that’s fine and it’s not so bad, but these animals don’t know what is happening and why they have to go through that pain. It would be better if they used one cow one time then moved on to a new one, that’s not much worse than immunizing them. But the harm reduction will be nice as is, I just feel horrible for the animals that have to be specimens
I am unable to rely on all forms of vegan protein (yes, all of them) so yeah! Hook me up with that clean cow beef!
I don't like meat but I'd feed it to my cats. Also I think it's less harmful to animals and the environment so if meat eaters eat cultured meat it'll be a step up, in my opinion. There are a lot of people who will never give up meat and our current system of meat production is not sustainable.
I have figured out how to get the same taste from seitan, tofu, tempeh, mushrooms, chickpeas, eggplant, and jackfruit at this point. 🌱😁✔️
They have all been around for several hundred years if not longer. 💫🤔
And given that baby powder has been found to cause cancer after only 💯 years of being declared safe, I don't see the point in bothering with any of that junk. 😑 😉
They can miss me with that crap. 🦸♀️😄
I’ve learned to never say never. I can’t see me eating it, but never is a long time and things can change.
Clean meat is potentially fantastic for people who want to go vegan or vegetarian but can't for health reasons. Or even people who just struggle because of social stuff.
Even in the worst case scenario of requiring stem cells from a donor animal once every three months and the animal isn't treated well, that's still far less cruel than the current standard.
Is it perfect? No. Is it way better than the current system? Yes. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
This is fantastic period. It includes people with no intention of becoming vegan, without convincing them. Look at dairy, non-vegans use plant-based dairy products a whole lot more now without even thinking about it much.
@@rep-vile If the product is good, you don't need an ethical reason to choose it.
i really want it for my pets I don't feel comfortable feeding cats vegan food.
Can't believe I forgot pet food! So much potential. Two companies I know of are focused on it (Bond and Because Animals)
Thanks, I agree cats are carnivores and an option that supports their health requirements would rock. Thanks for companies to look at and watch what happens. No clean meats or milks for me. I stay healthy without. I make exceptions for vaccines and if I need dissolvable stitches. Nobody is perfect. If my skin would allow it I would feel weird with wool.
same ! I wouldn't eat it because I have been vegan so long that I do not see meat as food. Also, I am not sure that meat eaters would be easily convinced by this alternative because I does feel 'weird" and scaring. BUT for pet food it would be a really nice alternative.
@mdoublehb6069 You have a lot of free time to do this all the time weirdo
Please report that weirdo for misinformation and harassment. They stalk her videos constantly and spam comment her comment section.
I pray to see clean meat to become a thing in my lifetime for feeding all the cats and dogs out there.
dogs and cats need met, not some fake meat in a lab
@@GarudaLegends it’s real meat lmfao
@@scotclifford7651 it is as real as the sun being a gaint citrus orange. you are just stupid to believe that. most ppl wont eat that Frankenstein food, because it is not meat or food. it will be less popular than vegan mock meat. you must be a low IQ vegan. no one is going to eat garbage from a lab. it is for struggling vegans.
@@GarudaLegends Dogs don’t.
@@JB-gq1od show me a video of a wolf eatimg a salad
Veganism is a harm reduction stance. :) So, imo, yes it can be vegan to consume lab meat!
Very interested in your stance. :)
Just finished the video. I totally see your perspective. :)
But i guess if you're already vegan, eating lab grown meat would be doing more harm than your baseline, thus it's not harm reduction?? But I agree for most omnivorous people, it'll be a great reduction in lives lost consuming lab grown meat rather than animal meat
veganism is an abolitionist stance. welfarism is a harm reduction stance. nice try, UV bot
No, veganism isn't just any measure of harm reduction. It's harm reduction up to a standard which isn't fulfilled by lab meat, for the reasons explained in the video.
ask us in 10 years. i think it'll be good in the long term, right now seems a bit sketchy. will it help reduce animal suffering someday? i sure hope so!
I'm in Singapore and I did not get to try clean meat. Just being able to enter the restaurant requires a membership that costs like $300, and doesn't include the price of the actual food.
wow that's so expensive
@MdoubleHB thinking we have enough farmland to provide everyone with enough raw food is delusional 😅
It was the same with computers a few decades ago. No civilian could afford it, but nowadays most can.
I feel like the question one has to ask themselves in this situation is: if there was alien species that was eating human meat would you rather them continue to eat humans wholesale or would you rather them biopsy a limited number of humans? Personally I’d rather them just biopsy us than to know my children are going to be eaten. Also I have to believe this will at some point be better for the environment than the raising of farm animals.
I like your comment (the alien idea is funny and clever), but I don't see the environmental standpoint as a valid option. Well, maybe in a world where meat consumption is very reduced and preserved for special occasions. Still nah. Food is a consumable. It takes a lot of energy to make and use technologies. Even clean energy requires mining and destroying nature. Death is taboo but sometimes part of restoration. I would not sacricife a lake for a mine to produce factory-made fish.
True, but since there is also a completely healthy option to not eat humans at all, I would hope the aliens would go for that! Like the scenario though, good way to decide those things!
If meat eaters want to eat that and be called vegan, I’ll gladly invest them with the vegan pallium and vegan crown and scepter, and anoint them as vegan AF, but sure, I won’t be eating it.
Hello Swayze, thank you for all that you do here on RUclips. I would love if you made an updated video on feeding pets (specifically cats) vegan, and used information about clean meat and other alternatives to meat-based pet foods, like insect-based pet foods. I hope you and your family are doing well; happy thanksgiving!
omg what a great idea, i would love an update on this too!! 🥺
Cats are obligate carnivores, they really do need meat (specifically taurine) to be healthy. Swayze has talked about this before, she used to have a cat and iirc she fed him meat-based food for the entirety of his life and then didn't get a new cat after his death, because it's just not fair to a cat to feed them a vegan diet. They will not thrive and their life span will be significantly shortened. Maybe there are like taurine supplements or other things that cats really need that you could give them? But their digestive tract would really struggle with plant-based food, it's just not what they are biologically built for. If you want a vegan pet, dogs can be healthy on a well-planned plant diet and obviously so can rabbits and other plant-eaters.
currently doing my phd in neuro-tissue engineering but i wish i realized sooner that i want to work in clean meat! i decided a while ago tho that my dream job would be at one of these companies or if i do my post-doc i would do it on lab grown animal products
Something that has always bothered me about the vegan stance is “why feed the feed to the cows when you can eat that yourself?” Because not everyone can afford the time in preparation and consumption to eat a large bowl of beans 3 times a day, or the expensive boutique processed alternatives. Cows do the hard work in condensing nutrients so we don’t have to, because a lot of us can’t. It’s just not a simple problem, and acting like it is is both naive and privileged.
Some of us also can not digest that much veg.
I didn't even think of how clean meat can be used to make crazy meat combinations and genetically engineered stuff, if they can solve the sampling and fbs problems and throw out the need to be "natural" then this could make some amazing luxury products. But I think the most important function of clean meat will be to accommodate people who can't eat a vegan diet due to dietary limitations, and to feed meat-eating pets. That should definitely be prioritized over luxury uses eventually but in the current market it needs broader appeal to grow. I think people would buy crazy frankenmeats as long as they taste good enough.
What of the things we eat is natural in the first place? Nearly all vegetables, fruits and animals humans consume today are cultivated and far from natural
I appreciate that you paint the full picture, good and bad, and then give us your opinion based on the whole equation because ofc nothing is black and white. Thanks for making this.
A couple weeks ago I did a speech on animal experimentation for my speech class (I’m 16 lol) so I’ve done a lot of research on the topic recently. The “Bipartisan FDA Modernization Act 2.0” unanimously passed the senate about a month and a half ago. From what I’ve seen, this would ban animal testing mandates. Though, as you said, animal testing isn’t technically required for food products as it is for drugs or other things. I still believe this would affect animal testing in the food industry because there are already tons of medical organizations working on alternatives to animal testing and with these methods being able to actually be used in practice will (I think) rapidly advance these methods. So there will be safe alternative methods to animal testing available (which are cheaper than using animals) and I would think the FDA would loosen up on alls ends if this bill was passed but idk I feel like I’m just kind of spewing nonsense, my little brain cannot handle this complex level of thinking lol.
If you have enough reasoning and courage to be animalist (ethical vegan) in a society which isn’t, then your brain is not that small.
That's great news! Thanks for sharing :)
@MdoubleHB good food gave mankind the ability to fall.
It allowed us to focus on other stuff than eating all day.
7:18 Noo you didn’t dream it, I specifically remember you mentioned that pampered cow in a video! But annoyingly I can’t remember which one either
Interesting. Wondering how you feel about animal testing or even surgeons practicing surgery on pigs before getting to perform on humans? It’s a big thing in Denmark. I’m not really opposed to it but I don’t think I would ever be able to do it (I’m a doctor myself).
I always appreciate your candor and courage to broach third-rail topics in veganism. I hope you will be one of the first major creators to consider the topic of neonicotinoid pesticides.
Like you said, it’s subjective… but I do think you dropped the ball here. We desperately need clean meat, like for yesterday.
1. most people will never go vegan for the ethics. You seem to realize it, but you immediately undermine it by saying “[rofl] just eat plants duh”. Again, this will not happen for most people, and the fact that you’re unhappy about it doesn’t justify to undermine that we need clean meat to end animal farming.
2. for people who can’t go plant-based because of allergies or another health issues.
3. for pets (and rescue). My 2 cats have 14 years, I adopted them before I became animalist anew. And when I did, I find myself in the trolley dilemma. Well, it’s bugging me but they’re family, they’re my responsibility, and I will not abandon them in a refuge. And no, I will not feed them plant-based either, they’re obligatory carnivores. Their well-being is my responsibility. If they develop an health issue which can even remotely being caused by plant-based food, I will not forgive myself. Just forget it. However, once they’re gone, I will not adopt another cat… unless clean meat. And I can't express how much I adore cats, it's a huge sacrifice for me.
4. and, like you said, zoonoses.
If they can figure out how to use cultured cells like Perfect Day, I’d consider it 🤷♀️
Had to go find the quote all these biopsies are reminding me of:
Dwight Schrute:
I invented a device, called Burger on the Go. It allows you to obtain six regular sized hamburgers, or twelve sliders, from a horse without killing the animal. George Foreman is still considering it, Sharper Image is still considering it, SkyMall is still considering it, Hammacher Schlemmer is still considering it. Sears said no.
I honestly would be very happy if we could get an 'end of the year - where I was wrong' video every year. There's so much growth in education for veganism - that it just makes sense. Make it clear and upfront!
Omg i haven’t seen one of your videos in forever - excited for this
In your vid «The best vegan news of 2020», about 6 minutes in, you talked about sampling from a retired chicken called Inga :)
Great job on this topic. So many nuances I didn’t know about. Personally I won’t eat it, haven’t had meat in 30+ years and I would not welcome the taste. I’m excited for others to have access to clean meat though.
Bovine serum is so common in most lab testing . Almost every lab test is animal products based.
Hopefully the lab grown meat industry will have to invent artificial replacements to those components.
Btw in your best vegan news 2020 video you mentioned labgrown chicken being made with a heritage chickens cells and that chicken now living on a farm in (Kansas.?) Maybe that's what you remembered?
I think the serum in the growth media is not an insurmountable issue. There have been serum replacement options for cell culture for years, and if anyone is doing stem cell cultures, the serum replacement is preferred to eliminate hormones and growth factors effects. Some of the alternatives are cheap too. They can absolutely not use FBS. They could also get a relatively small amount of blood to generate induced pluripotent stem cells from the blood cells that can be propagated for years, so muscle biopsies wouldn't even be necessary.
All that to say, I think it will get cheaper and could be a viable option, it's just a while off still.
I think I will stick to plants. All these manufactured clean meat products are not appealing to me. Also I really cannot afford them.
Wow so much that I didn't know about
I wanted to go to a restaurant that serves clean chicken but it's quite a while to book a table
I surely have to think about how and if this information changes my opinion
not to mention antibiotic resistance in animals we use for food. we can reduce this through clean meat too
very informative, thank you :)
It might also be that they are doing pilot studies where they are working on the techniques and use not-so-vegan methods in that. Then when they launch with vegan friendly practices they do not have to deal with all the negative PR to the brand due to questinable product development procedures.
Are you making determinations based on this completely unsubstantiated assumptions? This is exactly the kind of irrational thinking that causes people to treat us like a joke.
I really hope you aren't. Please stick to actual proven facts to keep your brain thinking rationally. Doesn't mean shady stuff doesn't happen, it means you won't be susceptible to quacks.
I know there was one clean chicken meat where they made the meat from the cells acquired off of a shed chicken feather. I think as technology improves and progresses there will be ways to move away from needing to repeatedly harvest, it may also depend on what cells. Some human cells types used in research are considered immortal cells, I wonder if a similar thing can be accomplished within the clean meat industry. There may also be hybrid processes where the method uses a combination of plant based substances and cell cultured meats. I agree that there needs to be more information on how the clean meat samples are collected and what happens to the animal. Initially yes these products will be more expensive but it is believed that once the initial cost of development is overcome that the cell cultured meat will be very inexpensive to produce and the facilities to produce it will be very inexpensive as well and the product will be extremely affordable and will have even less environmental impact than plant based products. This may be dependant on which method, but the method of developing meat from a microbes found in yeast will be very economical and uses very little water.
yeah I'd have to agree with you completely on this video! I would not like eating clean meat knowing that an animal was still used in the process to make it. However, hopefully one day clean meat can get to a point where animals are not needed
How is the bravo robot whey process different from the clean meat biopsy process that you’re not super keen on? Just curious, thanks!
These precision fermentation diary proteins (Perfect Day makes whey and New Culture) are made by tweaking a yeast cell to produce whey or casein. There’s no requirement of any biopsy of animal cells. It’s a genetically modified microorganism. And then similarly to how fungi is grown, they feed them sugars to grow and then harvest the protein from them. Something like that…check out their websites or precision fermentation in general. But no animals are involved.
7:15 I'm pretty sure that was one of the dog food companies, and it was a chicken named Inga.
I would imagine it would eventually function like the dairy industry. Farmers in different parts of the USA would keep smaller herds, collecting samples to send into a manufacturing facility. Hopefully with the technology cows would be able to live full lives.
great video as always!
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! ✨☀️🧡🔆
It's OK I can't do Brussel sprouts ! I am looking forward to some invirtomeat for pet food :)
I see it as an incredible improvement. Even if we end up with a stock of 3000 cows kept in matrix-like prison chambers, is that not better than the millions of cattle in the meat industry we have currently?
We're never going to get the human race off of meat. It's just not realistic to think we could ever accomplish that. But getting people to switch from meat that harms a small group of stock animals for donor cells vs millions of livestock for slaughter is not unrealistic to expect (given we get to the point where the cost is comparable) People don't want to cause harm intentionally, so given the choice between small harm and big harm, without sacrificing anything, people will choose to do less harm.
What exactly is this soft approval from the FDA? And how do you find out if companies you purchase from participated in it?
it's not really great the GHG emissions from having the animal stay on the farm longer to keep extracting and perfecting cells.
I'm sure you've heard & tried this but roasting brussels sprouts makes them sweeter. My Mum made a sprout tarte tartin for Christmas. Oh my word, it was borderline sexual!
As excited as I am for these the water is going to get impossibly muddied, I imagine in the US especially you’ll have to always go through the ingredients list of everything to avoid these.
And I don’t trust the government to bother to regulate and if it does it will just be in the interests of dairy & meat lobbies etc
I liked that in the Minority Report tv show (based in the future) they had a scene where they went to a clean meat lab/factory and talked about how cruel it "was" that people actually killed animals for the meat. I like when futuristic shows have this as what the future looks like
I hope this isn’t insensitive. I have a lot of people I know that won’t eat vegan meat because it doesn’t taste like meat. Is there any specific brands of vegan meat you recommend that taste as close to (or like) real meat? I know you have said in past videos you don’t like the iron blood taste of meat, but for people that do, what is a good vegan alternative?
Edit: asking this question gives me anxiety. Please do not attack people I know and love because they like the taste of meat. I’m genuinely trying to find out more information to buy more vegan meat instead of animal products.
This is an old ask but Impossible meat is fantastic for them.
The Brave Robot I tried was so awful that I get queasy every time it's mentioned in a video. I still want to know why a lab-grown dairy that ought to be identical (right?) to real dairy is so terrible.
I can see how it could be good for ppl who like meat to have as an option, but personally the thought/idea/feeling of eating flesh skeeves me Right out- i.e. I myself don't want whatever it is I'm eating to be in any way reminiscent of flesh.
Same. I'd rather my omnivore family eat that; but I like veggie-based "meats" if anything.
I'm not sure if I would personally choose to eat clean meat, but I support the technology as it could really help a lot of people who have trouble going veg for health or even tastebud reasons, as well as help feed carnivorous pets, like cats. It is indeed frustrating to me that those ex-vegans who go back to eating meat because it feels right for their health very seldom advocate for clean meat, I guess because they view it as "unnatural" :(
Regarding animal testing: I absolutely hate it, and wish they would stop it. There is plenty of data to show that it is of no benefit. I remember when "Just" mayo had an issue with Walmart & animal testing. I liked Just mayo, and now we can't get it.
I want to see all those "I was wrong" videos lol, I'm so curious
I think any vegans who oppose cell based meat because of the miniscule harm it causes need a shake tbh.
We're in a climate crisis, developed and increasingly developing countries are battling epidemics of lifestyle diseases, and we're farming 80 billion animals a year. A biopsy every few months from a small amount of animals doesn't remotely compare.
But what about pets? I thought this might be interesting as in harm reduction for those with carnivore pets.
Not sure if l will eat it myself, but l think its a great ideas for people who arent able to go vegan or people who dont care enough to go vegan
I was excited about clean meat because I thought it would be a good alternative for people who can't eat vegan. For health reasons, not because they don't want to. But if it's going to be expensive, it's not going to be accessible to everyone.
I wouldn't eat lab grown or clean meat because of the cost and I don't eat most of the existing vegan mock meats because some are ultra processed foods and not the healthiest for you.
To be honest, I think “clean meat” is the closest we get to a vegan future. I’m 100% behind it. The amount of suffering it can reduce is monumental but yes it is, I think, a long way off for a while.
For example, say in 30 years from now “clean meat” is everywhere, cost parity, the common form of 99% of consumed meat the way factory farmed meat is today. That’s billions of animals not suffering and killed.
Say in 30 years then that clean meat is NOT around/as niche as “happy farm” meat. Maybe, generously, saying that 25% of the world is vegan now. Still means that billions of animals are being killed. Even if another 25% of the world ate “flexitarian” it would still result in the deaths of more animals than it would if “clean meat” was around. Vegans who think supporting clean meat is anti-vegan make no sense. Not about whether to call it vegan but to support it.
The best way to a future with the least amount of animal suffering is going to be something like this. The whole world just isn’t going to become herbivores out of a strong moral ethic in the amount of time that I think it would take for “clean meat” to be an accessible, if not dominant, source of meat. I’m also not interested in “but meat is still bad for you!” Argument. Who cares. People do things that are bad for them all the time. There are vegans who smoke and drink. I’m not interested in policing peoples health especially here in the US where the structures that be aid in our unhealthiness and has no public health system to better address these issues.
Personally, I don’t want it, don’t care for it, won’t eat it. It’s been so long since I’ve eaten meat I really don’t care if I ever ate it again. Im content with the mock meats and substitutions I use for it. But generally I do support growing this industry and hoping it succeeds for the sake of animals and the planet.
It's funny--I think I would have considered eating it 30-some years ago when I started eating vegetarian, moving toward veganism because of animal welfare reasons. But at this point in my life, I simply don't think of meat as food, and I'd be kind of grossed out by it, and I've become more convinced of the health benefits of a wfpb diet,, and the animal concerns connected to this product still bother me, so no, I wouldn't eat it. I would love to feed my dogs cultured meat, though. If this became the norm for people who won't or can't give up eating meat, it could potentially be wonderful for cows and for the environment. It's for sure a move in a better direction.
You did a wonderful job exploring this complicated topic, btw. This meat isn't as "clean" as it appears at first blush.
Meat grosses me out anyway (texture etc) so I’ll never be able to eat it. No thank you
…if tastes/feels like meat when you take a bite.🤢
I'll watch but yeah... I've been vegan for about 6 years. I'll probably continue to eat plenty of vegan protein sources but as soon as the cloned meet doesn't require consistent supplies of fetal bovine serum I'll be using it again. Especially when we have company over. If that makes me no longer a vegan, whatevs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess clean meat is a better marketing term than frankenmeat
Personally, I wouldn´t eat clean meat, but I think that it is a huge change! If less animals are killed, then I am in, because we have to bear in mind that most people are not going to become vegan but can eat this meat. Love ur videos btw!
imagine someone coming up to you and taking a biopsy when you're standing in line or reading a book and then makes meat from you to sell? How ethical is that?
They not only keep information for this reason, but also because they have many doubts, they have many biotechnological problems. Just like 'super meat' at the beginning, promising things to get funding. And this is not conspiracy, it is data that George Peppou supposedly refuted. There is nothing to refute, the studies show the great technical problems. They love to romanticize cultured meat production.
It does not matter in my opinion because the goal is to reduce animal harm and not indoctrinate everyone to become vegan as an identity
I prefer tofu & beans, and am highly disgusted by the idea of "cloned" meat products. Plus, I have gotten so use to avoiding meat that I would not be interested in lab-grown meat for myself. But, I could see that it might be a good idea for cats. I don't trust Chinese made pet foods. There have been too many recalls & pet deaths. So, it would be nice to have more American made pet foods available.
The biopsy thing is obviously not vegan 😢
I'm waiting for clean fish. I think fishing is super damaging to the ecosystem, and on a practical note, it would be better if people who eat fish didn't have to worry about mercury poisoning
The Mercury and ecosystem thing is where fish farms come in.
But people see that as low quality.
14:45 brave robot was at grocery outlet for super cheap.
i hope some day i can buy it for my pets though
RIP Jen.
thanks I'll definitely reevaluate the plant proteins. They're not tasty nor are they great for health - wtih their prop 65 warnings. It's best to eat straight off the plant itself. This is one of the many issues I have with these misleading vegan certifications - many aren't vegan even when it says that. It's all to push product - sad state of affairs.
FIRST!!! SLAY QUEEN!!!!
Clean meat for pet food?
. . . angels on the head of a pin.
From an environmental point I hope this reduces cows by the millions and we stop slashing forests for grazing
The way they'll be able to fool around with these products makes me feel uneasy. And I've been vegan for a couple of years now. I am perfectly fine without any animal products. These products are for meat eaters I guess and harm reduction is the greater good here. But keeping an animal around, specifically for biopsies is still exploitation imo, even if the animal lives their best life on a sanctuary.
I mean theres always a little animal harm in our food, in crops, in coconuts in almonds. For everything there is animals suffering.
So a few animals for this lab meat isnt that bad
am I the only one who couldn't stand the taste of brave robot?
I think it is practicable to avoid foods with animal testing. I grow my own food - it takes no animal testing for that. 9:47 I think the practicable is a loophole just to get away with bad behavior and excuse oneself from one's actions. It's why I don't like the vegan society's definition and why vegans can be made to look like hypocrites. We can do better - I created my own defintion on my website.
5:17 rat burger. Again imagine someone testing on you to sell their product with the ceo saying that you're raised in an 'ethical manner' with 0 say on it? Yeah I don't eat impossible foods - it's not vegan!
Not supporting it is counter productive. Want to have a major impact on reducing animal cruelty? Support clean meat. Choose not to? Ok, but you will very much struggle able to convince me you actually care about reducing harm to animals. This would be a major step forward in reducing harm and it will be more likely to find success if vegans support.
The reduction needs to be big enough to abolish the meat, dairy and egg industry.
You do know that the industry isn't going anywhere.
These industries have fed billions of people
@@Aceofwolves Lets make it happen
Yes, just eat plants! At least eat mostly plants.
Also I am waiting for an I was wrong video! It's okay if you start easy with just 2022. Or you could go backwards!
I mean for most plants there is still animal suffering, almonds and coconuts are specially cruel
@@somnia3423 some suffering is inevitable, but we should try to minimise it.
@@veganust well then dont buy coconuts and almonds, dont support such a cruel industry. its not just "some" suffering. you sound really speciest right now, so chickens do matter but apes dont?
@@somnia3423 I don't know what are you arguing with. Have I said that I buy coconuts? Have I said that I don't buy eggs? (I don't, but that's not the point) I just said - eat mostly plants is a good rule of thumb. To what extenct can somebody go with reducing suffering is somewhat personal, and that's okay by me as long as you try.
@@MdoubleHB funny
Clean meat isn't for vegans anyway. It's for omnivores.
I'm glad you feel that way... I honestly often don't agree with your love of "science" so I don't ever comment on your videos. Personally I have no interest in any meat the thought turns my stomach...I just eat a plant based diet lol but living in Mexico I honestly can't get many/most things here and I've just gotten used to it. However that said you would consider me a non vegan since I buy and cook meat for my animals here... while I'd love them to be happy vegans it's not available or possible in a healthy way (and I'm not rich at the moment) lol so I'm expecting vegan rage.. sorry
"Science" in quotation marks is absolutely hilarious. Like it is some boogie man
Actually when Swayze had cats she didn't feed them a vegan diet. So she wouldn't be opposed to that.
I would eat it because I’m vegan for the animals and environment
Cultured meat will decrease the ammount of animals bred for meat/milk/etc. but I get the feeling the industry will shift to something akin to dog breeding, they will still have animals and will breed them in order to get special breeds for their biopsies. Maybe a solution is taking biopsies from willing humans, but that's not very marketable.
Don't eat it. Period.
No thanks. All you need you can get it from plants, fungi, and contact with Mother Earth and Father Sun.
and 200 different supplements
@@tomlauris NO.
Vitro meat
The stuff's not vegan. See: Clean Meat Hoax, BornVegan, etc.
are u aware that you're low key a gay icon?? 🥰
why.....
How? As far as I know, UV is straight.
@@bigrollingpin many gay icons are straight 🥰
@@bluebarrymore5442 cause she's a queen and us gays love women that are this badass
just because gay people like a person doesn't mean they are a gay icon. lady gaga is a straight woman who is a gay icon cause she does stuff for the gays it just feels so weird to add gay for literally no reason. gay people are just like anyone else and that the the point. not everything gay people do/like is gay.
"Zoonotic disease"
Laughs in listeria, e coli and salmonella annual produce outbreaks.
Is it not more ethical to eat anomalies that are killed to protect crops instead of letting them rot on the ground ?
Im still enjoying my golden steak
You drive a vehicle. A gasoline vehicle. Up until now I've remained silent in regards to criticism just because I actually do respect you. But all this protecting the planet stuff you're saying sounds a bit hypocritical, no? Regardless I still do respect you, just held off on criticism until I had gathered enough information.
For many people, using public transport isn't possible. The village I live in has a bus every 2 hours, with the last one at 4:30pm. There isn't a supermarket in walking distance and I am disabled so taking heavy shopping on the bus is asking for me to spend the next two days in agony. Driving is essential.
Swayze and her family didn't own a car for a very long time, but they kinda had to get one ever sinds they moved. I'm sure she would rather not have a personal motor vehicle if she had the option.
That’s all you got?
have you heard of the trolley problem?
i mean... the US is not very walking-cycling-publictransport friendly
You're very beautiful!
Love your channel.