@Bob Todd Don't believe everything you hear. There are (stupid/illogical) restrictions on what guns we CAN have, thats true....but its not a blanket prohibition. I have quite a few handguns and long guns...as a very active IPSC /Wild Bunch /Cowboy Action shooter...
@Bob Todd Australia enacted gun control laws after our worst (and at the time the worlds worst) mass shooting - the Port Arthur massacre. In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13 mass shooting homicides in Australia. In the 24 years since, there have been three. How’s that going for you in the US? It is still possible to own guns in Australia, we just have sensible laws. Guns are dangerous tools which can be used responsibly or irresponsibly and so should be regulated. Guns aren’t freedom.
@@mktj1 but we have a much worse crime against the individual (assault, robbery, etc) than most states in the US and our domestic violence rate is nearly double.
@@wubble666 Of course - but at the same time women in the Americas are more likely to be killed by their partner than women in Oceania. Many crimes like burglary and assault would be gun crime without our strict regulation of firearms. It’s almost like taking guns away doesn’t stop crime, it just stops gun crime. Huh. Regardless, get out of my comment thread. It started as a pleasant thank you to Ian for a great video as always and now it’s been twisted by ridiculous opinions on gun control. We’re going to have to agree to disagree, because I know that I’m not going to convince any gun nut that gun control is good no matter how much my point of view is supported by statistics, just as a gun nut isn’t going to convince me that gun control is bad. I come here for fascinating firearm history and engineering (and for gun jesus). There’s a reason Ian stays out of these kinds of discussions.
The problem with holstering the firearm on the horse was if the rider dismounted and the horse bolted you were left unarmed. My father was in the Aus Light Horse in the 1930,s , he said they were told to always sling/carry your rifle when dismounting or you could be left at the mercy of the enemy.
I saw one of these in a Clint Eastwood movie, _Joe Kid_ maybe, that was the young, hotshot, bad guy gunslinger's go-to weapon. I was only 17 or so and thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen.
Short Barrel Rifle laws literally make no sense anymore. Because for some reason, a .22 rifle with a 6 inch barrel is illegal, while you can happily carry around a .50AE DEagle. At least they walked back the idiotic 'putting arm brace against your shoulder is illegal', but I won't be surprised if they flip that again. The National Firearms Act needs to be abolished. It just doesn't make any sense any more.
Most states have them banned/classified as a firearm.. I believe Qld may be the only ones allowed..I'm nsw and prefer my actual firearms over a gel blaster..
@@jayzenitram9621 And don'tforget SpaceForce. I know we don't have any astronauts but having only TRS-80's didn't stop us from having a world class cybersecurity force; did it?
@@jayzenitram9621 paratroopers in elbonia are the grenadiers of the napoleonic and victorian eras. just a fancy name to say they are above the average cannon fo- i mean, brave involuntary volunteer
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 I'm looking at a modern Model I Level II emulator -- I am so tempted! but I don't know where to get black powder and round shot. I wonder why "csave" doesn not save anything here
Hi Ian...WOW...As a South Australian I nearly fell off my chair when I saw this video. What a great find. Thanks so much for doing a video on this. I love your videos. Keep up the good work. Andy
My great grandfather Johannes (a German immingrant in the 1920s) was in the Queensland Police Force in the 1930s to early 1950s. He was issued a Lee Enfield rifle and a Webley .455 revolver. He bought a 12 gauge double-barrell scatter gun to use with his baton for crowd control. He was stationed mostly around Mount Morgan and other mining towns. Often he was the only officer for 100 miles in any direction. I've read his journals which were very interesting. He once put down a riot, on his own, where the miners were threatening to burn down the town over pay disputes. His issued baton was an 18 inch long pice of Tasmanian Ash with a lead core. Once the 3 ring leaders were having a nap in the dust he told the rest (approximately 150 men) to disperse while he took their complaints to the mayor and council. The 3 prisoners were carried to the station by their friends, locked in cells and the keys hung back in place in his absence. Many locals took it a kind gesture on his behalf for not shooting them dead in the street, which he would have been within his right to do at the time.
@@Porty1119 Completely valid. Australia has a long and sordid history of miners and other labourers being mistreated by corporations and official agencies. Hence our widely held belief that the greatest equalizer is a unionized workforce (not to say our unions don't have their share of problems...) while the second greatest equalizer is a jerry can and a lighter.
A little bit of context regarding Australian law enforcement history. Before federation at the beginning of the 20th century, Australia consisted of a number of colonies each with their own law enforcement jurisdictions. This included at least partially individual colonial defence forces. Which means that, yes, each colony (later states) was responsible for its own navy. Hence funny old ships like the river gunboats Paluma and Gayundah and torpedoboats like Childers and Mosquito (two guesses which state I'm from.) So colonial expeditionary units like the Victorian Light Horse were often made of members from all walks of life, from drovers and stationhands to, you guessed it, lawyers, accountants, baristas and law enforcement employees. Specifically regarding the South Australian Police, it also acted as a component of the South Australian metropolitan fire brigade(s) and was the primary first response organization for natural disaster relief such as floods or bush fires. If this sounds a lot like the idea of a civil militia, you're not that far off. All of this is a long-winded way of saying that equipment belonging to SAPOL may have found its way into foreign service with expeditionary forces involved in conflicts like the second Boer War.
@@SonicsniperV7 Not really. They were intended to be sold by gun manufacturers as extras, and that fad never really caught on. Around the turn of the century, to the Interwar period, pretty much everyone offered a shoulder stock for their pistols. However, people were stingy, and for the most part, Militaries weren't all that interested outside of a few exceptions. (Like the "Artillery" Luger.) Back when self loading pistols were fairly new, one of the things you could do was fit them in a holster-stock. So, it was an Option, John Browning went to Belgium, and told FN that Colt was doing it. The Germans, and French found out that the Belgians were doing it, the British found out that the French, and Americans were doing it, and for about 30 years there, everyone was doing it. It just never really caught on, but it's not because "ALL" of them were flimbsy. Honestly, it's because Militaries issue long arms, and side arms, but the holster stock takes away the portability of the sidearm, without giving it the capability of a longarm. So, (With a few exceptions) people kept carrying long arms, and sidearms.
SA police also sold all their 686 revolvers back to S&W in the US when they upgraded to the S&W M&P .40. The revolvers were in such high demand over there that it was actually almost cost neutral.
On 29 September 1800, John Stenhouse, a city merchant, was appointed Master of Police and he set about organising and recruiting the force. He appointed three sergeants and six police constables, dividing them into sections of one sergeant and two police constables to each section. On 15 November, the Glasgow Police mustered in the Session House of the Laigh Kirk, Trongate, for the first time. There were three reliefs. One sergeant and two police officers were on duty in the Police Office for twenty-four hours. The other section on patrol duty and the third section was entitled to rest for twenty-four hours. The sixty-eight watchmen were also there in their long brown coats with their personal numbers painted on their backs. Each carried a lantern and long stave. They would man fixed points within the City while the police officers patrolled to prevent crime. It was from these modest beginnings that the Glasgow Police embarked on more than 200 years of service to the City. On 30 June 1800 the authorities of Glasgow successfully petitioned the British Government to pass the Glasgow Police Act establishing the City of Glasgow Police. It served Glasgow from 1800 to 1975,
Paris had a "police" force from 1667, although they actually had broader duties than modern police. They were reorganized (although with those of other large French cities) by Napoleon on February 17 1800.
maybe even Camel, SA used camels as well as Horses especially in the Northern Territory of South Australia, the Current Northern Territory, they were used to patrol along the Overland telegraph from Port Darwin through to Alice Springs and the Adelaide.
Part of why there was no formal police force when the colony was established was the colony was somewhat of a "colonisation experiment" by a guy named Wakefield; while not fully thought through (see: no police force), it presented some novel ideas around city planning, labour organisation, emmigration, land sale and rapid urbanisation, elements of which are still used in city planning today. You can still see some of the land organisation effects today if you look at google maps of Adelaide.
One of my ancestors was one of those interstate criminals. He was exiled to Australia for “uttering an illegal oath” in the old country (he joined a union during the industrial revolution). He travels to SA from Tasmania, lied about his background, used a false name and became a quite a wealthy businessman... all his life hiding the scars on his legs from the shackles on the boat. Before he died he asked the undertaker to keep the secret (as he would notice the scars) so his children did not lose the good family name he had built off the lie. My grandparents got the story from the grandson of the undertaker while researching the dead end in the family tree.
Clearly there are many South Aussies here, and there are many of us who have been long time fans. The fact about being the second centralised police force is absolutely correct. All police officers sent here to Australia were Officers of the London Metro Police. As a south Asutralian it makes me proud that something pivitol to our poilces history has bought you both intigue and knowledge.
I was under the impression France had a centralized police force even before the London Metro. In fact, that was regarded as suspiciously French when first introduced.
How could south australia have anything other than a 'centralised' police force? There was nothing except for Adelaide, and that was just a tiny little town. It's hard to imagine how police force with 20 officers could be decentralised.
revolver carbines are pretty rare in Australia. I own a uberti cattleman with an 18 in barrel, currently locked away in a gun shop because WAPOL wont let me licence it. So sad i loved that little 357.
Lol... the awkward moment in the early hours of the morning when I read that as M96 Mauser instead of C96. 🤦🏻♂️ An M96 without a stock would not be rare or indeed any fun at all! 🤣😂🤣
If you were in the Outback, alone, in the 1800s on horseback and could only have one gun to fend off bandits/Australian wildlife/anything else then I imagine you could do a lot worse than a .44 revolver with a shoulder stock. That thing must pack some serious punch, and having converted my air pistol to take a shoulder stock it really does add useful stability for firing aimed shots. Great vid as always Ian, keep it up!
As a South Aussie it is nice to see something from here. A bit of a misunderstanding on the history of the state, but it is really too complicated for a 10 minute video. It would take me days going into what was intended, what happened, and why. As for SAPOL, it really is that old, and it differed from other police forces in its professionalism, and the fact they were not glorified Bush rangers.
SApol what a joke they make inspector clouseau look like a rocket scientist .SA was the most mind numbing boring state i even was forced to live in when in RAAF
Much better than Queensland’s police, though, you have got to give them credit, they are trying to change. A bit hard to do though when half the state is related to each other.
Don't worry about it. Most countries have waaay more history than can comfortably taught in a set number of lessons, so somethings, especially quirky stuff gets missed out. Really cool gun and set of accoutrements btw.
@@fruitbat4429 dont think i learnt anything about gun in AS schools , except guns bad and people with guns bad ,, sad , since iv started getting more into gun over the years i feel like iv missed out on so much
@@lavitzbass6666 thats pretty much the only thing you learn about guns in American schools too... Well, that, and how to dodge gunfire. No nifty facts, not historical oddities, just gun=bad
A 10mm glock with one of the B&T stock kits might be the modern equivilant. It's actually one of the only practical applications for those stocks I can think of.
You know pistols weren't apart of the buy back right, was only semi auto long arms and pump and semi shotties... Yeah, ppl still handed in pistols (retards) but it wasn't required.
@@Oligoogletookmyname - Not sure if handguns were all that common amongst the general population. Or if there were existing licensing and restrictions on them.
There was a fair amount of colonial nations experimenting with anarchy/minarchy in the 19th century, really cool period in history politically speaking. This is also one of the coolest guns you've featured.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I suspect many were, especially in the bush. Leaving aside the possibility of resistance from the indigenous population, this is Oz we're talking about - every single species if wildlife is venomous, carnivorous, both or just plain bad-tempered.
Hi, Ian. I like it. Reliable pistol with a well-designed shoulder stock and leather holsters. Very sensible and serviceable. I'm not sure if they have crocodiles down there, but if they did, that would certainly be adequate protection. They probably used those Australian hats with the upturned brims. Very handsome, I am sure. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
We don’t just have crocodiles, we also have salt water crocodiles; one of the most dangerous crocodiles on the planet. However all crocs are only found up north, and I’m pretty sure they’re all protected.
Nah no crocs down south mate, their all up north, south aus only has a few things that can kill you, its got sharks,blue ring octopus, eastern brown snakes, western brown snakes, copperhead snakes, red-bellied black snakes, tiger snakes, inland taipan's, funnel-web spiders and redback spiders. Their the main ones anyway :)
@@-TheRealChris haha, most of which would prefer to avoid contact, thankfully. Besides tigers. Those dudes don’t give a shit. Still love em, tho. Edit: and some sharks, obviously. But they’re easy enough to avoid if you want to, lol.
Those who only involve themselves with politics at election time will be ruled by those who make politics their religion. Find some like minded people and join a political party, and turn it towards the kind of soft libertarianism necessary to make Australia gun friendly.
Without the bourgeoisie oppressing the proletariat, there will be no motivation for crime! We wil need no police! Either that, or we'll all starve to death at the hands of a totalitarian regime. To be honest, statistically speaking, mass starvation is more likely. But we owe it to the children to try! (But we might have to eat the children)
@@cipherthedemonlord8057 Although I don’t entirely agree with it I believe the main argument behind defunding the police is not to totally abolish the police, but to put some of that money towards the root of the problem: homelessness, addiction, mental health. Police are not always best equipped to deal with domestic cases or mental health crises. If we have better infrastructure to help these people than there will be less need for police.
So am I, My ex wifes family came to South Aus, in 1838, and her Great Grandfather was a member of Parliament there was also a Gun Shearer, (not firearm related).
i don’t know about you people but these videos get me through the day it’s nice to forget about the troubles of everyday life and look at the mechanics of some truly intriguing firearms
One of my professors told me that we (SA) didn't have a prison until 50 years after colonization. The first prison was a 3 bedroom house used to hold the Victorian bandits who operated out of "the tiers", a wild hilly region outside the city.
My Grandfather served in Sapol from 1929 to his retirement in 1968, initially as a mounted officer, so it is possible that he may have encountered one of these firearms during his time.
Thank you for making this interesting vídeo. As an Australian revolver buff, I flipped when I first heard of No.3s having been used by Australian police. I always wondered how effective the stocks were. Now I've seen the video too. And thanks for confirming what I suspected; that they were still chambered for 44 Russian. Wasn't a smokeless powder cartridge possible when black powder was deemed obsolete? No suppliers?
Not a pistol you'd think of when you consider stocked pistols. The "we're going to have a Utopian society and have no need of anything as crude as police!" was kind of amusing. I'm honestly surprised they went sixteen months before giving in.
@@mycosys so civil instead of military police as found in the early 19th Century in the US was a 'new' idea? Perhaps you feel as many still do that police forces need to be a 'national' police force'. It may be a semantic distinction, but just in the United States, there were a multiplicity of town and county marshals, sheriffs, constables, day and night watch that existed all over the individual States. The whole idea of town police officers and their other identities in the American West were those ideas brought back from the eastern states, and not the invention of pulp fiction writers of the 18th Century.
@@haroldbalzac6336 Few people want to completely abolish the police (though those who do tend to live in areas where calling the police might increase the chance of them or a loved one being shot). The idea of defunding the police is to take some of the resources devoted to law enforcement to pay for services better suited for some problems. If you call the police because someone is having a mental episode or domestic disturbance, there is a good chance violence will be the result. There are places where the culture of the police department is so bad that desolving it and putting it back together from scratch (thereby reviewing every applicant) would be beneficial.
It is interesting that he said that it was people came from other regions (where there was forced convict labor) which resulted in a need for law enforcement. I wonder how long they'd have lasted if they were the only colony.
i recall reading that revolver carbines had a problem with burning gases from the cylinder cooking the support hand. but cavalry likely had wristguards on gloves.
As a Viewer from Australia, It was indeed great to see. Also interesting for me it was a Smith & Wesson. I always assumed as Australia was a British Colony / then Country in the Empire that most of the weaponry would have been by default from British manufacturers.
If my memory is correct Australia (may have been the N. Australia group who did, not sure) also purchased a batch of 2 inch barrels which when swapped out with the 6 inch barrel converted the gun into a fearsome concealed carry weapon.
@ironwolfF1 That is exactly what I was thinking when he said where they ended up. Your government destroyed a ridiculous number of firearms, many of which were priceless.
@@4WDBearAus mass shootings are a population problem Australia still has the occasional mass killing (where theres 4 or more deaths including the perpetrator) by means of arson,knife attacks or vehicle attacks. America has mass shootings however its rare to be caught in the midst of one, mass shootings also hardly exceed 20 deaths in January 2019 America had 28 mass shootings with 48 deaths total most gun deaths are suicides. Hell here in Australia a man with an ankle monitor out on parole got his hands on a highly restricted pump action shotgun killing 4 last year proving criminals will get them no matter what.
@@the.bog. yet suicides plague Australia today more than ever. Getting rid of guns wont help suicides in 2019 alone we had 3,317 suicides thats more than years prior the 1996 gun ban. In 1988 2,197 suicides in 1989 2,096 suicides in 1990 2,161 suicides and remains a stedy number of 2000+ until 2017 with suicides increasing to 3000+
Clicked for the weapon, stayed for the history and the story ... Blessed be the disciples of Gun Jesus, for they are always learning and expanding their knowledge
Nice piece featured. “Sorry Australians. We get your cool revolvers now I suppose.” Takes me back to the days of "If you try to shoot this with some ratty GI surplus magazine the Teutonic Gods of Germaness will strike you down with a lightening bolt from the sky." From the Korth PRS Automatic Pistol vid from '18.
The Australia police always have had a preference for Smith and Wesson handguns. They recently ditched their 357 S&W revolvers for S&W M&Ps chambered in 40 S&W
I've only ever seen cops with glocks, but I'm in QLD so maybe its different in other states. A cop did let me hold his glock (not a euphemism) when I was seven years old in WA though, that was 20 years ago.
Something of note to add to your presentation. The Russians originally ordered a butt load of the No.3 S&W on the proviso that the cartridge meet their specifications. Their greatest objection was that up to that point, S&W used heeled bullets in their cartridges as a .22 still does to this day. They are responsible for the concealed grease grooves in a full width bullet, not the previous step design.
@@winfieldjohnson125 Yes they are, I am sure if you searched "human saddle" here on youtube you can find a demonstration of how they are used. If that doesn't work, try "pony play" ;p
Turns out, according to the comments section, everyone watching Forgotten Weapons is from South Australia. I thought I was Canadian but I was wrong.
There's dozens of us. Dozens!
@@garyfoale3707 hahaha
I just want to know why this video was filmed upside down.
@@DH-xw6jp LOL
Do you have hairy feet and live in Bag-End? 🤣
'That's not a revolver, THIS is a revolver!' - Crocodile Numberthree
I see youve played gunny revolvery before
Probably be a crocodile Dundee reboot soon. All female cast and no animals.
@@TurinTuramber "Crocodile Dundette" where a feminist-vegan goes through the outback hugging trees and eating the local flowers?
Shut up and take my upvote
More like a SBR.
South Australia is a middling sized Australian State, being only 45% larger than Texas so 16 police was plenty
in those days what was called south australia also included what is now the northern territory. and was about 4x the size of texas today
@@allthegoodnameshavebeentak6585 It still had far less population than Texas....
@@libtardgunlover762 And of course those evil guns took over the minds of their owners and turned them into psychopathic killers.......
@Chris Porter aaAAND?!!
And vast networks of underground tunnels and the worlds largest number of missing ..... in the world for its population.
Ian “Sorry Australians. We get your cool revolvers now I suppose.” **twirls mustache**
You got our Victorian police model 10's not that long ago too.
It's ok Ian, we were done with them anyway.... :)
Even worse the gun laws are worse over here sadly
I wonder what will happen to our hi-powers when the army gets rid of them.
@@stevenlee798 Oh yeah They were really good pistols, they were just phased out not long ago
As a viewer from Adelaide South Australia, an incredible welcome surprise to see us represented on Forgotten Weapons! Great work as always Ian!
@Bob Todd Don't believe everything you hear. There are (stupid/illogical) restrictions on what guns we CAN have, thats true....but its not a blanket prohibition. I have quite a few handguns and long guns...as a very active IPSC /Wild Bunch /Cowboy Action shooter...
@@trooperdgb9722 Very true. I have more long guns than I realistically need also. 🙃
@Bob Todd Australia enacted gun control laws after our worst (and at the time the worlds worst) mass shooting - the Port Arthur massacre. In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13 mass shooting homicides in Australia. In the 24 years since, there have been three. How’s that going for you in the US?
It is still possible to own guns in Australia, we just have sensible laws. Guns are dangerous tools which can be used responsibly or irresponsibly and so should be regulated. Guns aren’t freedom.
@@mktj1 but we have a much worse crime against the individual (assault, robbery, etc) than most states in the US and our domestic violence rate is nearly double.
@@wubble666 Of course - but at the same time women in the Americas are more likely to be killed by their partner than women in Oceania. Many crimes like burglary and assault would be gun crime without our strict regulation of firearms. It’s almost like taking guns away doesn’t stop crime, it just stops gun crime. Huh.
Regardless, get out of my comment thread. It started as a pleasant thank you to Ian for a great video as always and now it’s been twisted by ridiculous opinions on gun control. We’re going to have to agree to disagree, because I know that I’m not going to convince any gun nut that gun control is good no matter how much my point of view is supported by statistics, just as a gun nut isn’t going to convince me that gun control is bad.
I come here for fascinating firearm history and engineering (and for gun jesus). There’s a reason Ian stays out of these kinds of discussions.
South Australia: We are setting up a police force.
Rest of the world: Why?
South Australia: Have you met the rest of Australia?
As a South Australian I can say that still applies. LOL
Shhh. We like to let them think we don't bother them because they don't want to be bothered. It's kinder that way.
Adelaide is enough to drive anyone to crime.
@@peterfranzen3538 As a Victorian, please refer to my comment above.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot Particularly around Elizabeth???
The problem with holstering the firearm on the horse was if the rider dismounted and the horse bolted you were left unarmed. My father was in the Aus Light Horse in the 1930,s , he said they were told to always sling/carry your rifle when dismounting or you could be left at the mercy of the enemy.
As a long time viewer and south Australian, this is wild. Love seeing the not very common Australian items appear!
Never thought I'd see our state here!
Probably cause most of the historical weapons in australia got thrown in car crushers.
I saw one of these in a Clint Eastwood movie, _Joe Kid_ maybe, that was the young, hotshot, bad guy gunslinger's go-to weapon. I was only 17 or so and thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen.
I was mistaken. The movie gun was one of those Mauser Broomhandle dealies with a detachable stock.
Love stocked pistols. Wish there were more stocked pistols and no restrictions on getting/making them.
There's stock options for alot of handguns but they are awesome and also wish there was more..
Oh no stocked pistols are too dangerous to own in the US. Unless you pay the government a tax. Then it's safe.
@@svtirefire this one is an Antique Firearm under US law. NFA/GCA does not apply.
Short Barrel Rifle laws literally make no sense anymore.
Because for some reason, a .22 rifle with a 6 inch barrel is illegal, while you can happily carry around a .50AE DEagle.
At least they walked back the idiotic 'putting arm brace against your shoulder is illegal', but I won't be surprised if they flip that again.
The National Firearms Act needs to be abolished. It just doesn't make any sense any more.
@@startedtech It never made sense you can thank the NRA for it.
Shout out to Ian from Adelaide, South Australia! I have a couple of family members in the SA Police. They will love this video.
Graham, also in Adelaide :)
He's very anti-gun, however, so it's fun to tease him with our machine gun, etc :)
SAPOL -1880 has epic cool shoulder stock equipped S&W
SAPOL - 2020 Declares children's toys firearms
Such as?
Rip my gel blaster ;(
also G1 Megatron
I was just gonna say that, Australian laws and politics are sometimes very ridiculous
Most states have them banned/classified as a firearm.. I believe Qld may be the only ones allowed..I'm nsw and prefer my actual firearms over a gel blaster..
I'm the Elbonian Defense Minister. We are interested in thoser S&W #3 since they have a proven track record
... to be put into service with our underwater demolition team - never mind we're landlocked, logic never stopped the paratroopers with no airplanes.
@@jayzenitram9621 And don'tforget SpaceForce. I know we don't have any astronauts but having only TRS-80's didn't stop us from having a world class cybersecurity force; did it?
@@jayzenitram9621 paratroopers in elbonia are the grenadiers of the napoleonic and victorian eras. just a fancy name to say they are above the average cannon fo- i mean, brave involuntary volunteer
@@SpacePatrollerLaser nothing wrong with TRS-80s my brother has a working COCO 3 with software
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 I'm looking at a modern Model I Level II emulator -- I am so tempted! but I don't know where to get black powder and round shot. I wonder why "csave" doesn not save anything here
I really like this "New Concept" of "Pistol Caliber Carbines" I really hope it catches on.
thank you from Adelaide (South AUSTRALIA)
and from the riverland SA
You are boring, your state is boring and your capital city is boring. Victoria for life
@@tristankeech4070 my state may be boring but its not a totalitarian state thats beats and fines the people for shits and giggles
@@tristankeech4070 Aren't you all dead of coronavirus over there?
@@tristankeech4070 imagine this being the closest you could get to having a personality
As a South Australian, I would never of thought I would hear the words 'Forgotten Weapons and South Australia' in the same sentence/video.
Hi Ian...WOW...As a South Australian I nearly fell off my chair when I saw this video. What a great find. Thanks so much for doing a video on this. I love your videos. Keep up the good work. Andy
My great grandfather Johannes (a German immingrant in the 1920s) was in the Queensland Police Force in the 1930s to early 1950s. He was issued a Lee Enfield rifle and a Webley .455 revolver. He bought a 12 gauge double-barrell scatter gun to use with his baton for crowd control. He was stationed mostly around Mount Morgan and other mining towns. Often he was the only officer for 100 miles in any direction. I've read his journals which were very interesting. He once put down a riot, on his own, where the miners were threatening to burn down the town over pay disputes. His issued baton was an 18 inch long pice of Tasmanian Ash with a lead core. Once the 3 ring leaders were having a nap in the dust he told the rest (approximately 150 men) to disperse while he took their complaints to the mayor and council. The 3 prisoners were carried to the station by their friends, locked in cells and the keys hung back in place in his absence. Many locals took it a kind gesture on his behalf for not shooting them dead in the street, which he would have been within his right to do at the time.
Awesome story. As a miner, I'm not entirely unsympathetic to wanting to burn down a town in response to not getting paid!
@@Porty1119 Completely valid. Australia has a long and sordid history of miners and other labourers being mistreated by corporations and official agencies. Hence our widely held belief that the greatest equalizer is a unionized workforce (not to say our unions don't have their share of problems...) while the second greatest equalizer is a jerry can and a lighter.
@@dylanwight5764 Absolutely. I wish we had more of that mindset in the US.
Holy shit, my state gets a mention.
Holy shit, the state to the west of my state that I always shit on but will always love gets a mention.
@@KingdomOfApple Bloody Victorians have to show up the moment SA gets a mention lol
@@andrewdiplock1783 haha, it’s just a given. Pretty sure Victorians exist for that sole purpose.
@Arrogant Leftist Socialist Australian Weird murders e.g. Snowtown and The Family.
@Arrogant Leftist Socialist Australian I’m pretty sure Vic has a ban on gel blasters too... afaik you can still get them shipped to your door, tho.
Lee Van Cleef in the movie "For a Few Dollars More"
Lee sends his approval of this video from the other side. But he objects to that "hipster caliber" .44 Russian...
Ok, this is weird, I don't know what is more of a surprise, having Ian talk about SA or that heaps of people commenting on here are from Adelaide.
I know right, look how many!
A lot of us South Aussies miss our guns and live vicariously through Ian.
feels like i've just seen myself on TV
Glenelg born here! Living in Perth now though.
In South Australia I was born, heave away, haul away
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In South Australia, 'round Cape Horn, we're bound for South Australia!
Never thought I'd see a No.3 with a stock doesn't look bad really
It honestly looks better than any other stocked pistol I've seen
Same here. I actually wanna try and get my hands on one now just to see how it would feel.
@@laurentthibault564 you don’t like the stechkin?
@@skeltonslay8er781 not aethestically. Just weird taste Ig
Right, just needs to be in .357 magnum or .44 magnum, the stock ought to help tame recoil on stout rounds.
A little bit of context regarding Australian law enforcement history. Before federation at the beginning of the 20th century, Australia consisted of a number of colonies each with their own law enforcement jurisdictions. This included at least partially individual colonial defence forces. Which means that, yes, each colony (later states) was responsible for its own navy. Hence funny old ships like the river gunboats Paluma and Gayundah and torpedoboats like Childers and Mosquito (two guesses which state I'm from.)
So colonial expeditionary units like the Victorian Light Horse were often made of members from all walks of life, from drovers and stationhands to, you guessed it, lawyers, accountants, baristas and law enforcement employees. Specifically regarding the South Australian Police, it also acted as a component of the South Australian metropolitan fire brigade(s) and was the primary first response organization for natural disaster relief such as floods or bush fires. If this sounds a lot like the idea of a civil militia, you're not that far off.
All of this is a long-winded way of saying that equipment belonging to SAPOL may have found its way into foreign service with expeditionary forces involved in conflicts like the second Boer War.
I think you mean barristers... baristas make coffee.
@@BatCaveOz I know what I said.
Cheers Ian,I'm from SA so this was some cool local history to see, thanks mate.
This is turning into a weird family reunion for south aussies who didnt realise we all had the same hobby.
Appears to be one of the sturdier pistol stocks Ian’s shown.
It's for Australia. All Australian shoulder stocks are required to be useable as a cricket bat in the case of an impromptu match breaking out.
@@Dafmeister1978 I will believe this explanation more than any other.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Seems like most stocks were never really intended to be used outside of target shooting.
@@SonicsniperV7 Not really. They were intended to be sold by gun manufacturers as extras, and that fad never really caught on. Around the turn of the century, to the Interwar period, pretty much everyone offered a shoulder stock for their pistols. However, people were stingy, and for the most part, Militaries weren't all that interested outside of a few exceptions. (Like the "Artillery" Luger.) Back when self loading pistols were fairly new, one of the things you could do was fit them in a holster-stock. So, it was an Option, John Browning went to Belgium, and told FN that Colt was doing it. The Germans, and French found out that the Belgians were doing it, the British found out that the French, and Americans were doing it, and for about 30 years there, everyone was doing it. It just never really caught on, but it's not because "ALL" of them were flimbsy. Honestly, it's because Militaries issue long arms, and side arms, but the holster stock takes away the portability of the sidearm, without giving it the capability of a longarm. So, (With a few exceptions) people kept carrying long arms, and sidearms.
@@Psiberzerker I imagine that shoulder stocks helped out with the reliability of early autoloaders too
I went to Adelaide for a glass conference in 2004. Beautiful place. I shook the hand of the Lord Mayor. Great story/history behind their police force.
SA police also sold all their 686 revolvers back to S&W in the US when they upgraded to the S&W M&P .40. The revolvers were in such high demand over there that it was actually almost cost neutral.
On 29 September 1800, John Stenhouse, a city merchant, was appointed Master of Police and he set about organising and recruiting the force. He appointed three sergeants and six police constables, dividing them into sections of one sergeant and two police constables to each section. On 15 November, the Glasgow Police mustered in the Session House of the Laigh Kirk, Trongate, for the first time. There were three reliefs. One sergeant and two police officers were on duty in the Police Office for twenty-four hours. The other section on patrol duty and the third section was entitled to rest for twenty-four hours. The sixty-eight watchmen were also there in their long brown coats with their personal numbers painted on their backs. Each carried a lantern and long stave. They would man fixed points within the City while the police officers patrolled to prevent crime.
It was from these modest beginnings that the Glasgow Police embarked on more than 200 years of service to the City.
On 30 June 1800 the authorities of Glasgow successfully petitioned the British Government to pass the Glasgow Police Act establishing the City of Glasgow Police. It served Glasgow from 1800 to 1975,
Paris had a "police" force from 1667, although they actually had broader duties than modern police. They were reorganized (although with those of other large French cities) by Napoleon on February 17 1800.
The back side of the stock holster seems to be cracky from horse sweat.
maybe even Camel, SA used camels as well as Horses especially in the Northern Territory of South Australia, the Current Northern Territory, they were used to patrol along the Overland telegraph from Port Darwin through to Alice Springs and the Adelaide.
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 Did you look that up on The Google? 😂
@@stevenkelby2169 No I have lived in the Northern Territory for over 45 years, My great uncle came to the Northern Territory shortly after WWI.
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 very cool
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 What's the area you live like? I find Australia fascinating, particularly the wide open spaces.
Reminds me of the pistol Lee used in "For a Few Dollars More"
Part of why there was no formal police force when the colony was established was the colony was somewhat of a "colonisation experiment" by a guy named Wakefield; while not fully thought through (see: no police force), it presented some novel ideas around city planning, labour organisation, emmigration, land sale and rapid urbanisation, elements of which are still used in city planning today. You can still see some of the land organisation effects today if you look at google maps of Adelaide.
One of my ancestors was one of those interstate criminals. He was exiled to Australia for “uttering an illegal oath” in the old country (he joined a union during the industrial revolution).
He travels to SA from Tasmania, lied about his background, used a false name and became a quite a wealthy businessman... all his life hiding the scars on his legs from the shackles on the boat.
Before he died he asked the undertaker to keep the secret (as he would notice the scars) so his children did not lose the good family name he had built off the lie.
My grandparents got the story from the grandson of the undertaker while researching the dead end in the family tree.
Clearly there are many South Aussies here, and there are many of us who have been long time fans. The fact about being the second centralised police force is absolutely correct. All police officers sent here to Australia were Officers of the London Metro Police. As a south Asutralian it makes me proud that something pivitol to our poilces history has bought you both intigue and knowledge.
Gotta have something to be proud of in SA I guess. ;D
I was under the impression France had a centralized police force even before the London Metro. In fact, that was regarded as suspiciously French when first introduced.
How could south australia have anything other than a 'centralised' police force? There was nothing except for Adelaide, and that was just a tiny little town.
It's hard to imagine how police force with 20 officers could be decentralised.
I saw one of these for sale in Sydney in the 90s. Dealer who went to the states to buy antique stock.
revolver carbines are pretty rare in Australia. I own a uberti cattleman with an 18 in barrel, currently locked away in a gun shop because WAPOL wont let me licence it. So sad i loved that little 357.
WA gov is a bigger pack of sissy boys than SA.
Hey Ian when this whole Ronna thing is over come down to NSW and go to the Lithgow Arms Museum. Lot of Aussie gun history there
Revolver + butt-stock. So clever.. and that barrel length is like twice a causal 9mm nowadays
I have a C96 Mauser with no stock. Very cool you found this No.3 with a stock. Very rare.
Mauser is a badass weapon I’ve got a T&Co Schofield wish it came with a stock attachment
Lol... the awkward moment in the early hours of the morning when I read that as M96 Mauser instead of C96. 🤦🏻♂️ An M96 without a stock would not be rare or indeed any fun at all! 🤣😂🤣
Last time I was this early Northern Territory was under South Australian mandate
That's why some of the police had horses.
@@terben7339 they still do
Imagine being shown your patrol route and it's Adelaide to Darwin
@@richardhaselwood9478 Uggh that'd suck even in a modern vehicle, according to google maps it's about a 31 hour drive.
@@christuncks Modern vehicles and good roads... I think you'd be looking at a couple of months on horse back
If you were in the Outback, alone, in the 1800s on horseback and could only have one gun to fend off bandits/Australian wildlife/anything else then I imagine you could do a lot worse than a .44 revolver with a shoulder stock. That thing must pack some serious punch, and having converted my air pistol to take a shoulder stock it really does add useful stability for firing aimed shots.
Great vid as always Ian, keep it up!
As a South Aussie it is nice to see something from here. A bit of a misunderstanding on the history of the state, but it is really too complicated for a 10 minute video. It would take me days going into what was intended, what happened, and why. As for SAPOL, it really is that old, and it differed from other police forces in its professionalism, and the fact they were not glorified Bush rangers.
Or the best behaved convicts like New South Wales.
SApol what a joke they make inspector clouseau look like a rocket scientist .SA was the most mind numbing boring state i even was forced to live in when in RAAF
Today they are a big improvement on the Victorian Waffen SS.
Much better than Queensland’s police, though, you have got to give them credit, they are trying to change. A bit hard to do though when half the state is related to each other.
I'm Australian and didn't know half of the facts Ian discovered during his research
Probably cos you’re not from Adelaide...
well they dont teach much aussie history nowadays , or even back in the 90's ,, im from SA and i didn't know this
Don't worry about it. Most countries have waaay more history than can comfortably taught in a set number of lessons, so somethings, especially quirky stuff gets missed out.
Really cool gun and set of accoutrements btw.
@@fruitbat4429 dont think i learnt anything about gun in AS schools , except guns bad and people with guns bad ,, sad , since iv started getting more into gun over the years i feel like iv missed out on so much
@@lavitzbass6666 thats pretty much the only thing you learn about guns in American schools too... Well, that, and how to dodge gunfire.
No nifty facts, not historical oddities, just gun=bad
A 10mm glock with one of the B&T stock kits might be the modern equivilant. It's actually one of the only practical applications for those stocks I can think of.
I'm so glad they were sold back to the US. That means they weren't all destroyed in the 90s like almost every other cool firearm in the country.
You know pistols weren't apart of the buy back right, was only semi auto long arms and pump and semi shotties... Yeah, ppl still handed in pistols (retards) but it wasn't required.
@@maxnaz47 Didn't pistol become illegal for most people too? If they weren't buying them back what happened to them all.
@@Oligoogletookmyname - Not sure if handguns were all that common amongst the general population. Or if there were existing licensing and restrictions on them.
This is awesome! My dad found one when he was 7. He’s 82 now. Still has it 👍🇦🇺
Wow look how quick the locals get on here to speak about our state! S.A. Proud!
hear hear
Every time someone says "SA" I think South Africa......Tragic, eh?
@@winfieldjohnson125 like Arnie says “Well stop it” 🤣
@@jakerubino3233 Lol
@@winfieldjohnson125 😉
There was a fair amount of colonial nations experimenting with anarchy/minarchy in the 19th century, really cool period in history politically speaking. This is also one of the coolest guns you've featured.
"South Australia has a fair amount of bushland," You could say that, after 1863, it ran from the Southern coast all the way to Darwin.
"Noble and good intentions", that is how the road to Hell usually begins...
Libertarianism - failing upon contact with reality since, well, always really.
Yeah CHAZ figured out having no police was a bad idea within two weeks. 😂
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I suspect many were, especially in the bush. Leaving aside the possibility of resistance from the indigenous population, this is Oz we're talking about - every single species if wildlife is venomous, carnivorous, both or just plain bad-tempered.
Last time I was this early Ian wasn’t crucified by the romans yet
Quick! We must find Judas before it's too late!
As a South Aussie (Adelaide) that was a cool bit of history to learn about sapol. Thanks for this vid. :)
Hi, Ian. I like it. Reliable pistol with a well-designed shoulder stock and leather holsters. Very sensible and serviceable. I'm not sure if they have crocodiles down there, but if they did, that would certainly be adequate protection. They probably used those Australian hats with the upturned brims. Very handsome, I am sure. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
We don’t just have crocodiles, we also have salt water crocodiles; one of the most dangerous crocodiles on the planet. However all crocs are only found up north, and I’m pretty sure they’re all protected.
Nah no crocs down south mate, their all up north, south aus only has a few things that can kill you, its got sharks,blue ring octopus, eastern brown snakes, western brown snakes, copperhead snakes, red-bellied black snakes, tiger snakes, inland taipan's, funnel-web spiders and redback spiders. Their the main ones anyway :)
@@-TheRealChris haha, most of which would prefer to avoid contact, thankfully. Besides tigers. Those dudes don’t give a shit. Still love em, tho.
Edit: and some sharks, obviously. But they’re easy enough to avoid if you want to, lol.
@@-TheRealChris It looks like a good pair of boots would be more useful than a pistol.
@@jonminer9891 100%!
Another South Aussie here. Great to see more of our history showing up. To bad it would probably be impossible to get that gun back here in anyway..
Those who only involve themselves with politics at election time will be ruled by those who make politics their religion.
Find some like minded people and join a political party, and turn it towards the kind of soft libertarianism necessary to make Australia gun friendly.
Don't apologize for the US getting them, they would have melted them down in the 90s
NO!!! No handguns were involved in the Buyback!!!. I know because I was there and owned handguns.
I had to force sell my "dangerous" Winchester 1300 XTR pump action shotgun to little johnnie
@@jp9094 People still handed them in, they still got cut up and destroyed. SMLEs weren't involved in the buyback but fuckloads were scrapped too.
@@jp9094 is this a handgun under Australian law? Stocked handguns are tricky here
@@philllax1719 Queensland? Yes
As a South Australian I want one of these so damn much
"Everyone is going to be law abiding" Wow what a wholesome assumption
Without the bourgeoisie oppressing the proletariat, there will be no motivation for crime! We wil need no police!
Either that, or we'll all starve to death at the hands of a totalitarian regime. To be honest, statistically speaking, mass starvation is more likely. But we owe it to the children to try! (But we might have to eat the children)
Early attempt at a 'gun free' zone. Always ends the same.
Hey we're on that path with defunding the police....
@@cipherthedemonlord8057 Although I don’t entirely agree with it I believe the main argument behind defunding the police is not to totally abolish the police, but to put some of that money towards the root of the problem: homelessness, addiction, mental health. Police are not always best equipped to deal with domestic cases or mental health crises. If we have better infrastructure to help these people than there will be less need for police.
Watching from the Northern Territory (formerly South Australia). What a cool rig!
So am I, My ex wifes family came to South Aus, in 1838, and her Great Grandfather was a member of Parliament there was also a Gun Shearer, (not firearm related).
You have a like here just for not butchering the pronunciation of Melbourne, that made me happier than it probably should have.
Also, saying "going bush" instead of "in the Outback".
@Poolie Hpool you are wrong and bad.
If Harry Callaghan was Australian...
"You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya wanker?"
I kind of got the urge to make this upon seeing that comment.
@@franciszeklatinik889 Excellent
Does he carry a snake with the biggest fangs in the world?
"I know what you're thinking, mate..."
I know what your thinking. Has he fired six shots or only ....
Hey Trevor! What number comes before six?
Dunno, Ian. Twelve?
First thought: " Lee Van Cleef! "
South Australian IPSC shooter here. Thanks for the great video.
British: Oi, do you have a license for that holster?
Australians: Oi, do you have a holster for that holster?
Oi do ya have a loicense for that loicense?
i don’t know about you people but these videos get me through the day it’s nice to forget about the troubles of everyday life and look at the mechanics of some truly intriguing firearms
"I see you have an eye for things Stranger, Guns not just about shoot'n, its about reloadin, you'll know what I'm talk'n about"
One of my professors told me that we (SA) didn't have a prison until 50 years after colonization. The first prison was a 3 bedroom house used to hold the Victorian bandits who operated out of "the tiers", a wild hilly region outside the city.
“I’m sorry Australians we get your cool revolvers now I suppose” lmao
My Grandfather served in Sapol from 1929 to his retirement in 1968, initially as a mounted officer, so it is possible that he may have encountered one of these firearms during his time.
Weird coincidence: Got an ad for tourism in South Australia.
I grew in the South Australian country and this was very interesting video to watch!
South Australia is about a third bigger than Texas
And it's not one of our big states.
Fun fact, Texas has a larger GDP than Australia, and not even the rest of Australia likes South Australia.
@@fgfsgdomagerd yeah but they're just jealous.
@@fgfsgdomagerd It also has a larger population. (Texas 29 million, Australia 25 million).
@@JohnHughesChampigny how do you stand being so crammed together?
Thank you for making this interesting vídeo. As an Australian revolver buff, I flipped when I first heard of No.3s having been used by Australian police. I always wondered how effective the stocks were.
Now I've seen the video too. And thanks for confirming what I suspected; that they were still chambered for 44 Russian. Wasn't a smokeless powder cartridge possible when black powder was deemed obsolete? No suppliers?
Hey, another Australian story! Cheers Ian.
It may not be very noticeable, but Ian used the period-correct flag for South Australia in the thumbnail. Excellent attention to detail!
Not a pistol you'd think of when you consider stocked pistols. The "we're going to have a Utopian society and have no need of anything as crude as police!" was kind of amusing. I'm honestly surprised they went sixteen months before giving in.
I wonder how long the USA will last before relearning why a dedicated police force is a good idea.
@Joaquin The Bandit The issue is that the current crop of police in the US _is_ the armed thugs people need protection from :P.
@@mycosys so civil instead of military police as found in the early 19th Century in the US was a 'new' idea? Perhaps you feel as many still do that police forces need to be a 'national' police force'. It may be a semantic distinction, but just in the United States, there were a multiplicity of town and county marshals, sheriffs, constables, day and night watch that existed all over the individual States. The whole idea of town police officers and their other identities in the American West were those ideas brought back from the eastern states, and not the invention of pulp fiction writers of the 18th Century.
@@haroldbalzac6336 Few people want to completely abolish the police (though those who do tend to live in areas where calling the police might increase the chance of them or a loved one being shot). The idea of defunding the police is to take some of the resources devoted to law enforcement to pay for services better suited for some problems. If you call the police because someone is having a mental episode or domestic disturbance, there is a good chance violence will be the result.
There are places where the culture of the police department is so bad that desolving it and putting it back together from scratch (thereby reviewing every applicant) would be beneficial.
It is interesting that he said that it was people came from other regions (where there was forced convict labor) which resulted in a need for law enforcement. I wonder how long they'd have lasted if they were the only colony.
i recall reading that revolver carbines had a problem with burning gases from the cylinder cooking the support hand. but cavalry likely had wristguards on gloves.
This is actually pretty sexy looking and I like all the holster options
As a Viewer from Australia, It was indeed great to see. Also interesting for me it was a Smith & Wesson. I always assumed as Australia was a British Colony / then Country in the Empire that most of the weaponry would have been by default from British manufacturers.
Adelaide!
How good is SA ?
@@paspax heaps good.
riverland SA
If my memory is correct Australia (may have been the N. Australia group who did, not sure) also purchased a batch of 2 inch barrels which when swapped out with the 6 inch barrel converted the gun into a fearsome concealed carry weapon.
No, THIS is a gun!
"Clint Eastwood!" Or is that from Crocodile Dundee II?
Stocked pistols have always fascinated me. I wish the NFA would get trashed so we could experiment more with them in the US.
What they dont know won't hurt them 🤙
All memes aside, this is a really stylish, elegant looking gun
2:18. Ians effort to always pronounce names correctly makes him the best of the best
Better that these beauties made their way back to America...than having them crushed and mangled in the name of 'public safety'.
@ironwolfF1 That is exactly what I was thinking when he said where they ended up. Your government destroyed a ridiculous number of firearms, many of which were priceless.
glad they were saved and glad we are safe :-)
Eh, glad this one survived too. But id much rather be without it than have hundreds of mass shootings every year.
@@4WDBearAus mass shootings are a population problem Australia still has the occasional mass killing (where theres 4 or more deaths including the perpetrator) by means of arson,knife attacks or vehicle attacks. America has mass shootings however its rare to be caught in the midst of one, mass shootings also hardly exceed 20 deaths in January 2019 America had 28 mass shootings with 48 deaths total most gun deaths are suicides. Hell here in Australia a man with an ankle monitor out on parole got his hands on a highly restricted pump action shotgun killing 4 last year proving criminals will get them no matter what.
@@the.bog. yet suicides plague Australia today more than ever. Getting rid of guns wont help suicides in 2019 alone we had 3,317 suicides thats more than years prior the 1996 gun ban. In 1988 2,197 suicides in 1989 2,096 suicides in 1990 2,161 suicides and remains a stedy number of 2000+ until 2017 with suicides increasing to 3000+
man that has got to be one of the best looking revolvers
Clicked for the weapon, stayed for the history and the story ... Blessed be the disciples of Gun Jesus, for they are always learning and expanding their knowledge
Great video Ian, had to look up that flag in the thumbnail, wasn't even aware that was South Australian.
Emu eradication accessory stock is optional
I though you used lewis guns for Emu eradication (and failed).
I live in south aus and you taught me something I didn't even know about my state!
It looks like the back of the stock holster is cracked due to sweat horse exposure, I think.
Such a pretty revolver and another great video Ian
Imagine if that pistol could tell the story of it's life in SA.
Nice piece featured. “Sorry Australians. We get your cool revolvers now I suppose.” Takes me back to the days of "If you try to shoot this with some ratty GI surplus magazine the Teutonic Gods of Germaness will strike you down with a lightening bolt from the sky." From the Korth PRS Automatic Pistol vid from '18.
absolute bear of a pistol. instant argument winner
The Australia police always have had a preference for Smith and Wesson handguns.
They recently ditched their 357 S&W revolvers for S&W M&Ps chambered in 40 S&W
@@bigdog4173 I have a few 357 shells given to me by and officer and I’ve handled their sidearm, I can promise you it isn’t a glock
I've only ever seen cops with glocks, but I'm in QLD so maybe its different in other states. A cop did let me hold his glock (not a euphemism) when I was seven years old in WA though, that was 20 years ago.
I didn't know that the no 3 even was available with a shoulder stock, that is too cool. Some very interesting history behind it as well.
Something of note to add to your presentation. The Russians originally ordered a butt load of the No.3 S&W on the proviso that the cartridge meet their specifications. Their greatest objection was that up to that point, S&W used heeled bullets in their cartridges as a .22 still does to this day. They are responsible for the concealed grease grooves in a full width bullet, not the previous step design.
"Attached to your horse saddle"
Pfft, as opposed to what, a human sa....
Oh.. those are a thing.
Really?
@@winfieldjohnson125 Yes they are, I am sure if you searched "human saddle" here on youtube you can find a demonstration of how they are used.
If that doesn't work, try "pony play" ;p
@@ericsteenbergen9470 I think not, some things can't be unseen....
Thank you for that. As a South Australian I did not know that little bit of our local history.