I have been away from micro four thirds for a while and was considering switching back. I came back to this channel to discover this heart breaking news.
I upgraded from the Mark III to the Mark IV about 3 months ago and have no regrets. Better autofocus performance, slightly finer image and longer battery life. This body is not made of ordinary plastic, but of a material, certainly not of metal, but of an alloy of very solid materials. You need to take good care of your photo equipment, use a carrying strap and a quality bag.
great review, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I appreciate how the e-m10 series continues to exist and be a great entry level camera that exceeds expectations.
I upgraded from the Mark II to the Mark IV about 6 months ago. My Mark IV then unfortunately broke in an exciting and catastrophic way, so I went back to the Mk II for a while. I didn't expect the differences to be so obvious - everything on the IV is significantly faster, for a start. My new Mk IV is on its way to me now - can't wait to get 'back in the saddle' !
I love how the E-M10 I and II feel as well. And somehow that's very important to me. I had hoped the plastic E-M10 III was a fluke. Lovely review as always, thanks!
David, on re-watching the video I perceive that you have answered my second question , you say that the lens is as sharp as any of its rivals. Thank you. Clarke.
A nice surprise to see this today. I use the Mark I, which no one mentions much any more, and still find it really good. I'm just an enthusiast, so it's adequate for my needs. If I ever get better than the camera (unlikely any time soon) I'll change it. In the meantime, next is a couple of the 1.8 primes (17mm and 45mm). I might invest in a smaller rangefinder that will take the same lenses, just to give myself a more discreet option.
The Olympus primes are excellent, I have had the 17mm f/1.8 and 45mm since they came out and have never felt tempted to change them. The big f/1.2s are gorgeous but certainly not discreet!
A Review of yours is a great Christmas gift! No interest in buying the Camera, but huge pleasure to see the Review! I love my GX80! Greetings from the Black Forest and Merry Christmas! And I regret not having visited the United Kingdom while it was still part of the EU. Now I will feel more foreign on a future visit!
Because I was not subscribed, I do no know why RUclips saved this one for me, this late after the fact. Obviously, my remark will not be about the author, may he rest in peace, but about the viewpoint expressed in the video, with which I totally agree. At the moment I am shooting with an E-M5.Mk3, most of whose DNA is identical with the E-M10.Mk4, the sensor most decidedly so. The substrate comes from the same batch even though the optical layer fixed on top has microscopic phase discriminating lenses in place of a small number of the green lenses, otherwise, on the E-M10.Mk4. Same 20 megapixels, same ISO sensitivity, etc. You get the same sharpness and tremendous color out of it, and when you get one or more of the f1.8 primes, I got all three, you are forever at distance from need for ISO settings above 6400. Even though the PDAF is lightning fast compared to the very fast CDAF on the lesser model, and even though it lacks weather sealing, there is really one feature on the E-M5.Mk3 that I like better, possibly for no absolutely good reason-the second door on the side of the camera for the SD card, instead of the extra slot inside the battery door on the bottom. Once in a blue moon you will be irritated that you have to take the tripod plate off the bottom to get to the card, which is not "quickly." I wonder if I was hard on that little door on my original E-M10 because it eventually broke off. Maybe that is a confession that I used it heavily and possibly beyond a useful service life. I absolutely would get another E-M10.Mk4 now, possibly as a second camera when I don't have time to swap lenses, or as my first camera to have tons of fun with. All the naysayers are wrong. Cameras are not fashion accessories. They are tools, and hey folks, we have more power in every package we buy these days, than we have had in the history of photography. Knock yourself out and have fun!
Wonderful, wonderful. I love your approach to reviews. I migrated from Canon to Lumix a few years ago, and even so I hang on every word of your Olympus reviews...as they apply to all things 4/3 as well. Thanks for the time an effort in producing these pieces.
Wonderful video, David. The E-M10 II was what I purchased when I first seriously went into mirrorless and it was plenty capable. Olympus Canada had a special pre-order price of $649 CAD with the 14-42 EZ for a month before the launch. I'm still kicking myself for not grabbing one as my second body to the E-M1 III.
It took me a year to learn the E-M10 II well enough to risk it on one of Sandra's 'Do it by yesterday' jobs. The menu goes up to 4 levels deep, with conflicting settings, looking like the minutes of the last firmware writers meeting, all of them fighting each other. In contrast, I did one of Sandra's 'Send it to mum half an hour ago' jobs when owning the E-M10 IV for two days. Neither of the ladies found fault with the results. The E-M10 IV Super Control Panel covers ALL my regular changes. No need to dive into the third level of 5 pages of the Custom Settings Menu on the Mark II. Ironically, having the Mark IV makes it easier for me to find stuff quickly on the Mark II. I use both bodies on the same night outings, one doing video, the other doing stills.
I've always liked the SCP on Olympus cameras. At a glance check and alteration of parmeters, ideal. Panasonic have a similar facility on their cameras but you can't get direct access to it which loses the pint a bit.
Thanks, Peter. It's a pic some would like and some not see the point of. For me - obviously for you too - it is interesting to isolate something and thus see it differently. That's a big part of photography for me.
Happy Christmas David hope you had a great day, nice video, sadly my EM5ii only has 16MP not the 20 you mention ... but (for me) its more beautiful than the EM10 ;-)
A great review David. I have the EM10 Mark IV (It replaced my original EM10) as well as a EM1 Mark ii and a EM5 Mark iv. I like the feel, the simplicity and the portability of this camera. The only things that seems to be lacking are some custom function buttons. I also haven't figured out how to do bracketing with this camera? Help please. is
Great to watch as usual, thanks. I'll add it to the list of cameras that may replace my MKII version soon. Yours and MarkusPix/Thehealthylife are the best MFT channels in my opinion. Excellent stuff :)
i have the 10ii .. .. .. and it still has features i doubt i will ever use... and the art modes can make a great pic out of a dull day..enough to impress friends on social media etc... as an amateur enthusiast/hobbyist... im still enjoying the oly m43... addition of sigma 30-2.8 and 60-2.8 has improved pic quality... the iv has even more spec i doubt i would use.. im hanging onto my 10ii thanks
Any camera that does everything you need is the right one. There's no reason to 'upgrade' in such a case and I think there will be many thinking the same way as you. I've often said that when an update comes it it doesn't make previous one any less good.
And you are correct. I have slapped my own wrist. It is very hard to keep up with these stupid names from camera makers. They seem determined to obfuscate.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Trust me I didn't want to be "that guy" I just figured that you accidentally said the wrong model. Trust me I know the grind of making and editing videos, and we make at least one if not more mistakes in each of ours.😂 Thank you for making such great videos for us to enjoy.
Thank you , David. I have been hoping you would review this camera. I have a question re the kit lens, which you praise in this video. You refer to it as a "power" zoom, I think. Does this one have "EZ" in the name? You have judged the little Panasonic kit zoom, the Panasonic Vario 12-32 f 3.5-5.6 Mega O.I.S. to be a good and sharp lens. Would these two be of similar quality over the focal lengths they have in common?
I would still add this IV to my line up if I were in the market... for now thoroughly enjoying my 10 II and IIIs. The only weakness for me is slightly slower AF performance for action shots but other than that... would be great camera to have if you print large photos. You might be able to fool some of the FF folks with it in that regard if you didn't mention the camera used. Haha... "that little thing?" :)
There's little photographic justification for FF unless you make huge prints. My S1 and and this, the results look the same side by side on my 27" monitor.
Hey David, nice summary. I use the OM-D EM5 and M10 for traveling and my Pentax gear for anything else, love all. The M10 series is brilliant. Good performance, great size, and affordable. What's not to like. I especially enjoy using mine with vintage OM glass. TA
Merry Xmas David have a good one with you and yours. Haha a nice Xmas present perhaps? Bloody hell hang on if you got another new camera that can only mean one thing! A new bloody handbag now to go with it! Lol
Happy Holidays David and a prosperous New Year to you.. What' stunning images,, especially in a year that's been very difficult to get out and get much of anything.... Especially those spider webs. Cannot wait for your annual year in Micro four thirds photography report ,,, hopefully coming soon!
How does it compare it with the Panasonic GX9? Image quality, AF performance, function, feel, etc. They are now comparable at the 2nd hand market, keen to get one of these.
The Panasonic is metal construction and feels much more robust. That's not to say it is, of course. IQ is essentially the same and AF performance is similar unless you use Panasonic lenses on the GX which enables DfD and speeds things up a bit. The Olympus's EVF is bigger but mainly the cameras' design makes them fee very different. Also, if you use Panasonic lenses on the GX you get the dual IS. The biggest things I would go on are whehter the GX's EVF works for you and the body design that you prefer.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Looks wise, I love rangefinder-style camera, but the OMD is one of the best looking SLR style too, so I don't mind either. EVF is not most important, as I feel LCD is very convenient to use. What's important is IQ, colors, sharpness, AF speed. From your advise, seems like both cameras are very similar, but AF speed is better when paired the GX9 with lumix lens to get DFD. The last thing is the IQ, I always hear that olympus colors are amazing, is it that much better than the GX? or even Canon/Fuji/etc? If its that good, I'm very keen to get the olympus. Or is it over-rated and GX files is just as nice, from your experience and preference? Thanks for your advice!
@@klipschs Colours are always subjective but I have to say that Olympus colours are very, very pleasing. Take a look at this video at ruclips.net/video/joTVhTPqyuA/видео.html 4:57. Those are the stock jog colours at default settings. Subtle, nuanced very pleasing to the eye. In so far as the picture has any merit it is in the colours. The DfD does improve things, not greatly but it is worth having. As I said, as with dual stabilisation, only a Panasonic lens on a Panasonic body gives you both.
I managed to pick up a used-but-unused Mk IV a few weeks ago, sadly all black not the gorgeous silver and black version. It's lost the "Mysets" and storybook features and definitely feels less substantial and more plasticky than the Mk II. The change from 16 to 20MP is barely perceptible unless, as you say, you are going to make huge prints (or pixel-peep). The new grip design is a vast improvement, I really need the ECG with the Mk II to feel confident that I'm not going to drop it. If you do panorama shots, the best feature is that the camera now "knits" them together, you don't have to do it in post on a computer. Otherwise, TBH a used E-M1 Mk I is a better bet for far less money - a professional-standard body for under £200 if you shop around carefully like I did ;-) Just need lockdown to end now, so I can go out and take photos for the fun of it; curse you Boris for taking our freedom away
It's the Pen-F sensor - the giveaway is that it's Contrast Detect AF only and 20.3MP. The sensor in the E-M1X and E-M1 III has Phase Detect AF and 20.4MP.
In theory it should have better IQ than those cameras, then. Panasonic have always said that they don't use PDAF because of its effect on iQ. It makes sense that its the Pen F sesnor, I must say.
I agree - a very desirable model . For me though, I went for a brand new EM 10 ii over this model for all the custom control for those times I required it - which isn’t often; but I prefer control over what the camera might choose to do. As for the extra four megapixels ; well, I have seen very large prints made and displayed alongside a full frame camera and to be honest, it is beyond my skill to separate them apart. As for general use of pictures going into photo books each year and websites to be shared with others, I am not missing out I don’t think. Compared to my APSA camera, I have something that is even lighter and is complimented by my phone for back up when I need to grab a shot. My only film camera is a Nikon FM 2n and that feels lovely, but way to heavy to carry about. So, in conclusion , I do not feel the need for an alternative camera, as they require more bulk and often bigger lenses . Thank you for revisiting this camera and if it had kept the Mark ii controls then it would be a winner . However, in an ideal world I would have liked it to be weather sealed as the ones that are from Olympus are all with flip out screens and I do not have any interest in making videos. I would also like the 17, 25 and 45 1.8’s to be weather sealed . I would like to see more updates for older cameras to keep them really fresh and contemporary , which software could easily achieve . We need our gear to become redundant prof and legislation will soon force manufactures to do this . In truth we do not need new gear more than once in ten or fifteen years and those that chase new things are not the real users of the equipment . Anyway , much of these later remarks apply to all manufactures and the premium should be placed on great glass to match the excellent machines offered to us.
I agree with a lot of what you say, Carmen. When I went back to the Panasonic G1 I found it hardly lacking at all. Certainly the G7 is 'better' in almost every way but that doesn't affect the G1 which remains a good and highly usable camera. What I cannot reconcile is with making cameras that would update only every 15 years. Without the income from updated cameras and those who buy them there would be no money for R&D. It is the constant flow of money that keeps prices down and encourages newcomers into the market. If any camera would only ever sell to someone once and they would keep it, imagine the price that camera would have to be. This seems to be the conundrum of the green agenda altogether, how to cut consumption but not destroy the income stream that pays for our hospitals etc. It seems to me an impossible situation with no practical resolution in sight yet. We have to do it but how?
Methinks I’m holding onto me EM10.2. I bought it via Ebay after selling my EM 5.2 in order to acquire a Panasonic G9. Not buyer’s remorse but a sudden pang of nostalgia or something like it made me realize abandoning Olympus was just not right. Then Olympus abandoned me by selling the company for scrap!
I'm sticking with my EM10.2 as well. Realized it gets the job done and I don't need many of the new features as I find my self taking a camera out less and less these days.
Sorry but it’s a bit risky gambling that JIP will offer a firmware update for myset. The 10 ii is the bees knees with its magnesium alloy body, mysets, box brownie style view screen and then there is the price...
I don't actually think Olympus will update the firmware in that direction purely for marketing reasons.The Mark II is a great bargain at the moment, that's for sure.
I know this is an old video but, is anyone else bummed out that regular 4/3 lens work only in manual focus mode. WTF is up with that? I started with the 510 and bought many lens. (Yes I'm a lens horder) Then updated to the OMD m2 which uses the 4/3 lens perfectly with the adapter. (nearly went broke buying adapters for all the lenses) Now I notice that the mk4 won't autofocus with them. Can anyone show me otherwise?
The PDAF of the 5 is much better than the 10 but if C-AF isn't that important to you, the 10 will do most of what the 5 can. Personally, I'd plump for the E-M5 Mark III because the PDAF is so much better for my RUclips videos. Otherwise, it'd be a toss up.
@@dudiflug3804 I have no reason to think that Olympus will cease trading, though I have no inside information. Mind you, it's not as if their cameras will stop working even if they did go down.
Im still torn between this and sticking with my mark ii. I still dislike the way Olympus have gone to all plastic bodies on some cameras which was a really negative move in my eyes.
The EM10 Mark ii is gorgeous. I think the finish on the black one is nicer than all the other black models, including the EM5s and 1s. It doesn't have that knobbly type finish! Plus yes it's metal and feels solid and feels great to use. I think I would rather get a secondhand EM body like an EM5 ii or EM1 or preferably an EM1 mark ii.
Yes, the electronic shutter is (thankfully) back to being available in PASM modes. There’s also a limited-distribution E-M10 Mark IIIs - it’s the E-M10 Mark III with the proper electronic shutter modes for PASM put back in, as on the Mark IV. Plus, both these models allow you to use the TTL flash with electronic shutter (up to 1/20 only) if you wish. These days in mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that’s very unusual, now Nikon 1 System cameras are gone. You can also re-enable the beeps and the AF illuminator with electronic shutter if you wish - these three features had only previously been on the E-M1 II, III, E-M1X, E-M5 III (all up to 1/50) Pen-F and E-PL10 (both up to 1/20).
There is difference in each Om-D-10 and that is mk1 metal and one of the best small size camera ever made, m2 starting with plastic, mk3 plastic, mk4 cheap plastic and the end of a Olympus.
Super camera. Pity they have removed ability to supply power to the nifty little flash unit lm=fl3 widely used by owners of mk2 and mk3 cameras. I have measured the power pin on the hot shoe and it seems to be totally disconnected. Olympus have made zero information available about hot shoe capability for this camera.. As
David, could you possibly speak a little slower and more clearly. I do use my heating aid, but you tend to assume we're all equipped with A1 hearing and translation aids. Otherwise, your content's usually OK. Thanks.
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I truly miss you David... Watching this after your passing is a bitter sweet moment... 🥲
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@@drDOUGtheman David passed away earlier this year.
I always come back to this channel for a bit of David's wisdom :)
May he rest in peace.
I have been away from micro four thirds for a while and was considering switching back. I came back to this channel to discover this heart breaking news.
Dear David, another year goes by and you are greatly missed. Best wishes to your family. Rich
David does the best camera reviews. Like watching a BBC wild life documentary, but for cameras instead of animals.
I'm going to miss these soothing and spot on reviews featuring those chimneys in the distance.
I upgraded from the Mark III to the Mark IV about 3 months ago and have no regrets. Better autofocus performance, slightly finer image and longer battery life. This body is not made of ordinary plastic, but of a material, certainly not of metal, but of an alloy of very solid materials. You need to take good care of your photo equipment, use a carrying strap and a quality bag.
What a great Christmas Surprise - a new video from David Thorpe!
😀😀👍👍
We miss you David…
I love my EM10 mk I, it brings a smile to my face every time I use it.
What better recommendation could there be for a camera?
Same for my mark ii. Very enjoyable to use. It's digiral but reminds me of the old OM cameras especially the "entry level" OM10 that I had in 1981.
RIP Sir David
rest in peace, david
great review, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I appreciate how the e-m10 series continues to exist and be a great entry level camera that exceeds expectations.
Yes, in many ways the archetypal Micro Four Thirds camera. Small, good IQ and fun to use.
I upgraded from the Mark II to the Mark IV about 6 months ago. My Mark IV then unfortunately broke in an exciting and catastrophic way, so I went back to the Mk II for a while. I didn't expect the differences to be so obvious - everything on the IV is significantly faster, for a start. My new Mk IV is on its way to me now - can't wait to get 'back in the saddle' !
Do you think it's worth more than double the price compared to the mkii ? In the used market
Reviews like this are why we miss Mr. Thorpe.
I love how the E-M10 I and II feel as well. And somehow that's very important to me. I had hoped the plastic E-M10 III was a fluke. Lovely review as always, thanks!
Thanks! Plastic, for better or worse, is here to stay, I think.
David, on re-watching the video I perceive that you have answered my second question , you say that the lens is as sharp as any of its rivals. Thank you.
Clarke.
It is. If you pixel peep it doesn't hold up quite as well some others like the 12-32 Panasonic butit's a good lens in its own right.
A nice surprise to see this today. I use the Mark I, which no one mentions much any more, and still find it really good. I'm just an enthusiast, so it's adequate for my needs. If I ever get better than the camera (unlikely any time soon) I'll change it. In the meantime, next is a couple of the 1.8 primes (17mm and 45mm). I might invest in a smaller rangefinder that will take the same lenses, just to give myself a more discreet option.
The Olympus primes are excellent, I have had the 17mm f/1.8 and 45mm since they came out and have never felt tempted to change them. The big f/1.2s are gorgeous but certainly not discreet!
I was too late for the mark ii so I have the mark ii. Just a lovely little camera. Very reminiscent of the OM10 that I had back in 1981.
3:03 "While it's an entry level model, no-one seems to have told the camera that."😅 Exactly.
A Review of yours is a great Christmas gift! No interest in buying the Camera, but huge pleasure to see the Review! I love my GX80! Greetings from the Black Forest and Merry Christmas! And I regret not having visited the United Kingdom while it was still part of the EU. Now I will feel more foreign on a future visit!
More foreign? Let’s look it that way: it will be even more exotic visit ;)
Thanks! You will be just as welcome in the UK, EU or not.
I'm working on traveling more for the pure enjoyment of it. I have one of these being delivered very soon. I'm very excited about it.
Because I was not subscribed, I do no know why RUclips saved this one for me, this late after the fact. Obviously, my remark will not be about the author, may he rest in peace, but about the viewpoint expressed in the video, with which I totally agree. At the moment I am shooting with an E-M5.Mk3, most of whose DNA is identical with the E-M10.Mk4, the sensor most decidedly so. The substrate comes from the same batch even though the optical layer fixed on top has microscopic phase discriminating lenses in place of a small number of the green lenses, otherwise, on the E-M10.Mk4. Same 20 megapixels, same ISO sensitivity, etc. You get the same sharpness and tremendous color out of it, and when you get one or more of the f1.8 primes, I got all three, you are forever at distance from need for ISO settings above 6400. Even though the PDAF is lightning fast compared to the very fast CDAF on the lesser model, and even though it lacks weather sealing, there is really one feature on the E-M5.Mk3 that I like better, possibly for no absolutely good reason-the second door on the side of the camera for the SD card, instead of the extra slot inside the battery door on the bottom. Once in a blue moon you will be irritated that you have to take the tripod plate off the bottom to get to the card, which is not "quickly." I wonder if I was hard on that little door on my original E-M10 because it eventually broke off. Maybe that is a confession that I used it heavily and possibly beyond a useful service life. I absolutely would get another E-M10.Mk4 now, possibly as a second camera when I don't have time to swap lenses, or as my first camera to have tons of fun with. All the naysayers are wrong. Cameras are not fashion accessories. They are tools, and hey folks, we have more power in every package we buy these days, than we have had in the history of photography. Knock yourself out and have fun!
Wonderful, wonderful. I love your approach to reviews. I migrated from Canon to Lumix a few years ago, and even so I hang on every word of your Olympus reviews...as they apply to all things 4/3 as well. Thanks for the time an effort in producing these pieces.
Thank you, Chris. I thoroughly enjoy making all my Micro Four Thirds videos. Nice to know they are appreciated.
Wonderful video, David. The E-M10 II was what I purchased when I first seriously went into mirrorless and it was plenty capable. Olympus Canada had a special pre-order price of $649 CAD with the 14-42 EZ for a month before the launch. I'm still kicking myself for not grabbing one as my second body to the E-M1 III.
Thanks, Ryan. I doubt there's any of us who haven't regretted not buying a bargain when we say it.
I like this camera so much I bought it. Got it with the 14-42 pancake and 45mm 1.8 second hand off eBay for £600 and I'm not complaining :)
Good price - not much to complain about, Howie! Nice to hear from happy photographers.
It took me a year to learn the E-M10 II well enough to risk it on one of Sandra's 'Do it by yesterday' jobs. The menu goes up to 4 levels deep, with conflicting settings, looking like the minutes of the last firmware writers meeting, all of them fighting each other. In contrast, I did one of Sandra's 'Send it to mum half an hour ago' jobs when owning the E-M10 IV for two days. Neither of the ladies found fault with the results. The E-M10 IV Super Control Panel covers ALL my regular changes. No need to dive into the third level of 5 pages of the Custom Settings Menu on the Mark II. Ironically, having the Mark IV makes it easier for me to find stuff quickly on the Mark II. I use both bodies on the same night outings, one doing video, the other doing stills.
I've always liked the SCP on Olympus cameras. At a glance check and alteration of parmeters, ideal. Panasonic have a similar facility on their cameras but you can't get direct access to it which loses the pint a bit.
5:33 (Photo of chimneys:) Sublime shot, David!
Thanks, Peter. It's a pic some would like and some not see the point of. For me - obviously for you too - it is interesting to isolate something and thus see it differently. That's a big part of photography for me.
Happy Christmas David hope you had a great day, nice video, sadly my EM5ii only has 16MP not the 20 you mention ... but (for me) its more beautiful than the EM10 ;-)
The 20Mp is a nicety but 16Mp is plenty - Happy New year, Richard!
Yeah I also spotted the error: this is a better sensor than the one used in E-M5 II. This is the sensor used by the Pen-F.
A great review David. I have the EM10 Mark IV (It replaced my original EM10) as well as a EM1 Mark ii and a EM5 Mark iv. I like the feel, the simplicity and the portability of this camera. The only things that seems to be lacking are some custom function buttons. I also haven't figured out how to do bracketing with this camera? Help please. is
I always enjoy your vids. Merry Christmas!
Thank you, Kent!
I still have the original EM10. The best little photo cam I've every had.
Yes, the first two were (are) classic Micro Four Thirds designs.
Great to watch as usual, thanks. I'll add it to the list of cameras that may replace my MKII version soon. Yours and MarkusPix/Thehealthylife are the best MFT channels in my opinion. Excellent stuff :)
Thank you, LB.
Informative & entertaining as always. Happy new year.
Happy new year to you, William! And thanks.
We missed you !
I'm touched! Hard to get stuff done in this lockdown. In theory, having all this time is great but doing anything with it seems to be difficult.
Great to hear from you again :)
What can I say except I'm touched and thank you!
Great review, as always, David. Merry Christmas from Germany!
Thanks!And a Happy New Year from London!
i have the 10ii .. .. .. and it still has features i doubt i will ever use... and the art modes can make a great pic out of a dull day..enough to impress friends on social media etc... as an amateur enthusiast/hobbyist... im still enjoying the oly m43... addition of sigma 30-2.8 and 60-2.8 has improved pic quality... the iv has even more spec i doubt i would use.. im hanging onto my 10ii thanks
Any camera that does everything you need is the right one. There's no reason to 'upgrade' in such a case and I think there will be many thinking the same way as you. I've often said that when an update comes it it doesn't make previous one any less good.
Nice video. One correction though. I believe you said it has the same sensor as the Em5 m2 which I believe has the 16mp sensor. Thanks for the video.
I think he meant to say 3
@@acraftman2823 So do I.🙂
And you are correct. I have slapped my own wrist. It is very hard to keep up with these stupid names from camera makers. They seem determined to obfuscate.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Trust me I didn't want to be "that guy" I just figured that you accidentally said the wrong model. Trust me I know the grind of making and editing videos, and we make at least one if not more mistakes in each of ours.😂 Thank you for making such great videos for us to enjoy.
Wow , awesome spiders web shots , thanks David , what a very inspiring and balanced review . all the best to you for 2021 and onward .
Thanks! Best to you too for 2021. Oh, and a high 8 from the spider 😄
@@DavidThorpeMFT 👍Absolutely .
Actually, it is not the sensor from the M1 III and M1X. It is the sensor from the PEN-F
Oh, right. Image quality looks the same to me.
0:35 Does he mean EM1 mark ii and EM5 MARK iii? I Think so. I love the EM10s. I have the mark ii. It'll do for me and metal too.
It's so great to see another one of your fabulous reviews Dave. I was suffering the DTs prior. Happiest of New Years!
And to you - and thanks!
Merry Christmas!
Happy new year, Michael!
It's actually the same 20mp as the pen f, not the em5iii.
In addition to lacking pdaf, dxo shows dr and iso improvement between those sensors.
@M it's actually not. It's the original 20mp sensor, not the new one. The em5iii has the em1ii sensor. This doesn't.
Thank you , David. I have been hoping you would review this camera. I have a question re the kit lens, which you praise in this video. You refer to it as a "power" zoom, I think. Does this one have "EZ" in the name?
You have judged the little Panasonic kit zoom, the Panasonic Vario 12-32 f 3.5-5.6 Mega O.I.S. to be a good and sharp lens. Would these two be of similar quality over the focal lengths they have in common?
They are both sharp, though if you pixel peep, the Panasonic holds up a bit better. It is a power zoom but no EZ in the name.
I would still add this IV to my line up if I were in the market... for now thoroughly enjoying my 10 II and IIIs. The only weakness for me is slightly slower AF performance for action shots but other than that... would be great camera to have if you print large photos. You might be able to fool some of the FF folks with it in that regard if you didn't mention the camera used. Haha... "that little thing?" :)
There's little photographic justification for FF unless you make huge prints. My S1 and and this, the results look the same side by side on my 27" monitor.
The spider web photo is excellent!
Thanks, Robert. One of the great things about photography is that it teaches you to see and take notice of what is around you.
Happy holidays🎄
Same to you!
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Thanks for the Christmas present! Happy holidays David!
And you, Ricardo!
Hey David, nice summary. I use the OM-D EM5 and M10 for traveling and my Pentax gear for anything else, love all.
The M10 series is brilliant. Good performance, great size, and affordable. What's not to like. I especially enjoy using mine with vintage OM glass. TA
Yes, I'd like to try a lot more vintage glass.
Merry Xmas David have a good one with you and yours. Haha a nice Xmas present perhaps? Bloody hell hang on if you got another new camera that can only mean one thing! A new bloody handbag now to go with it! Lol
You are getting to know me too well, Tony, haha!!
Happy Holidays David and a prosperous New Year to you.. What' stunning images,, especially in a year that's been very difficult to get out and get much of anything.... Especially those spider webs. Cannot wait for your annual year in Micro four thirds photography report ,,, hopefully coming soon!
And to you, Clint! Glad you liked the images and yes, I'm doing a sort of rsu,e at this moment, Always takes a while, though.
How does it compare it with the Panasonic GX9? Image quality, AF performance, function, feel, etc. They are now comparable at the 2nd hand market, keen to get one of these.
The Panasonic is metal construction and feels much more robust. That's not to say it is, of course. IQ is essentially the same and AF performance is similar unless you use Panasonic lenses on the GX which enables DfD and speeds things up a bit. The Olympus's EVF is bigger but mainly the cameras' design makes them fee very different. Also, if you use Panasonic lenses on the GX you get the dual IS. The biggest things I would go on are whehter the GX's EVF works for you and the body design that you prefer.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Looks wise, I love rangefinder-style camera, but the OMD is one of the best looking SLR style too, so I don't mind either. EVF is not most important, as I feel LCD is very convenient to use. What's important is IQ, colors, sharpness, AF speed. From your advise, seems like both cameras are very similar, but AF speed is better when paired the GX9 with lumix lens to get DFD. The last thing is the IQ, I always hear that olympus colors are amazing, is it that much better than the GX? or even Canon/Fuji/etc? If its that good, I'm very keen to get the olympus. Or is it over-rated and GX files is just as nice, from your experience and preference? Thanks for your advice!
@@klipschs Colours are always subjective but I have to say that Olympus colours are very, very pleasing. Take a look at this video at ruclips.net/video/joTVhTPqyuA/видео.html 4:57. Those are the stock jog colours at default settings. Subtle, nuanced very pleasing to the eye. In so far as the picture has any merit it is in the colours. The DfD does improve things, not greatly but it is worth having. As I said, as with dual stabilisation, only a Panasonic lens on a Panasonic body gives you both.
marry Xmas and happy new year
Thanks, Datusn. And to you too!
I managed to pick up a used-but-unused Mk IV a few weeks ago, sadly all black not the gorgeous silver and black version. It's lost the "Mysets" and storybook features and definitely feels less substantial and more plasticky than the Mk II. The change from 16 to 20MP is barely perceptible unless, as you say, you are going to make huge prints (or pixel-peep). The new grip design is a vast improvement, I really need the ECG with the Mk II to feel confident that I'm not going to drop it. If you do panorama shots, the best feature is that the camera now "knits" them together, you don't have to do it in post on a computer. Otherwise, TBH a used E-M1 Mk I is a better bet for far less money - a professional-standard body for under £200 if you shop around carefully like I did ;-) Just need lockdown to end now, so I can go out and take photos for the fun of it; curse you Boris for taking our freedom away
The prices for earlier E-M10s are silly now. I'm no advocate for higher prices but any model E-M10 is worth more than £200 in terms of performance.
Do you have any idea why all these mirrorless cameras cant do 4k60 video? it seems really weird that a cell phone can but an actual camera cant.
David, is it the same sensor as the em1 or the pen f? I heard that its the pen f.
Rumour has it that it's the same sensor as the Pen-F
It’s the same sensor as the 1 ii & iii, 5 iii & 1x
It's the Pen-F sensor - the giveaway is that it's Contrast Detect AF only and 20.3MP.
The sensor in the E-M1X and E-M1 III has Phase Detect AF and 20.4MP.
In theory it should have better IQ than those cameras, then. Panasonic have always said that they don't use PDAF because of its effect on iQ. It makes sense that its the Pen F sesnor, I must say.
The sensor in the M10 IV does not have phase detect on it. Therefore, it is not like any of the EM1 models.
New beast ?
Have been researching this and the em5 mkiii. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I agree - a very desirable model . For me though, I went for a brand new EM 10 ii over this model for all the custom control for those times I required it - which isn’t often; but I prefer control over what the camera might choose to do. As for the extra four megapixels ; well, I have seen very large prints made and displayed alongside a full frame camera and to be honest, it is beyond my skill to separate them apart. As for general use of pictures going into photo books each year and websites to be shared with others, I am not missing out I don’t think. Compared to my APSA camera, I have something that is even lighter and is complimented by my phone for back up when I need to grab a shot. My only film camera is a Nikon FM 2n and that feels lovely, but way to heavy to carry about. So, in conclusion , I do not feel the need for an alternative camera, as they require more bulk and often bigger lenses . Thank you for revisiting this camera and if it had kept the Mark ii controls then it would be a winner . However, in an ideal world I would have liked it to be weather sealed as the ones that are from Olympus are all with flip out screens and I do not have any interest in making videos. I would also like the 17, 25 and 45 1.8’s to be weather sealed . I would like to see more updates for older cameras to keep them really fresh and contemporary , which software could easily achieve . We need our gear to become redundant prof and legislation will soon force manufactures to do this . In truth we do not need new gear more than once in ten or fifteen years and those that chase new things are not the real users of the equipment . Anyway , much of these later remarks apply to all manufactures and the premium should be placed on great glass to match the excellent machines offered to us.
I agree with a lot of what you say, Carmen. When I went back to the Panasonic G1 I found it hardly lacking at all. Certainly the G7 is 'better' in almost every way but that doesn't affect the G1 which remains a good and highly usable camera.
What I cannot reconcile is with making cameras that would update only every 15 years. Without the income from updated cameras and those who buy them there would be no money for R&D. It is the constant flow of money that keeps prices down and encourages newcomers into the market. If any camera would only ever sell to someone once and they would keep it, imagine the price that camera would have to be.
This seems to be the conundrum of the green agenda altogether, how to cut consumption but not destroy the income stream that pays for our hospitals etc. It seems to me an impossible situation with no practical resolution in sight yet. We have to do it but how?
David , I agree entirely with your response to my comments .
RIP David
How is the face tracking compared to say my EM5 Mark iii since it’s using the EM1X software? Thanks.
Less good. The focusing of the E-M5 Mark III is one of its strong points all round.
It’s not the same 20 megapixels sensor if there is no phase detect auto focus. A point you do bring up later in the video.
It's hard to find out where makers source the sensors. Commercially sensitive, I suppose.
Methinks I’m holding onto me EM10.2. I bought it via Ebay after selling my EM 5.2 in order to acquire a Panasonic G9. Not buyer’s remorse but a sudden pang of nostalgia or something like it made me realize abandoning Olympus was just not right. Then Olympus abandoned me by selling the company for scrap!
I'm sticking with my EM10.2 as well. Realized it gets the job done and I don't need many of the new features as I find my self taking a camera out less and less these days.
If you're happy with the camera you have, no point in changing for the sake of it. Doesn't please the camera makers. though!
Sorry but it’s a bit risky gambling that JIP will offer a firmware update for myset. The 10 ii is the bees knees with its magnesium alloy body, mysets, box brownie style view screen and then there is the price...
I don't actually think Olympus will update the firmware in that direction purely for marketing reasons.The Mark II is a great bargain at the moment, that's for sure.
I know this is an old video but, is anyone else bummed out that regular 4/3 lens work only in manual focus mode. WTF is up with that? I started with the 510 and bought many lens. (Yes I'm a lens horder) Then updated to the OMD m2 which uses the 4/3 lens perfectly with the adapter. (nearly went broke buying adapters for all the lenses) Now I notice that the mk4 won't autofocus with them. Can anyone show me otherwise?
nice video m8
Thanks!
VS EM5 mark III ?
The PDAF of the 5 is much better than the 10 but if C-AF isn't that important to you, the 10 will do most of what the 5 can. Personally, I'd plump for the E-M5 Mark III because the PDAF is so much better for my RUclips videos. Otherwise, it'd be a toss up.
@@DavidThorpeMFT is it stlii worth buyng olympus cameras now? It is not known what will happen to the olympus company? I heard she might close
@@dudiflug3804 I have no reason to think that Olympus will cease trading, though I have no inside information. Mind you, it's not as if their cameras will stop working even if they did go down.
Im still torn between this and sticking with my mark ii. I still dislike the way Olympus have gone to all plastic bodies on some cameras which was a really negative move in my eyes.
The EM10 Mark ii is gorgeous. I think the finish on the black one is nicer than all the other black models, including the EM5s and 1s. It doesn't have that knobbly type finish! Plus yes it's metal and feels solid and feels great to use. I think I would rather get a secondhand EM body like an EM5 ii or EM1 or preferably an EM1 mark ii.
Not a bloggers camera at all with the screen facing into a tripod mount :(
Yes, good point. No way round that for Olympus. You'd need to use some sort of clamp on the tripod to grip the camera from the sides.
There is a mount for that Rob Trek explains on his channel.
Are the manual controls available with the electronic shutter?
Yes, the electronic shutter is (thankfully) back to being available in PASM modes. There’s also a limited-distribution E-M10 Mark IIIs - it’s the E-M10 Mark III with the proper electronic shutter modes for PASM put back in, as on the Mark IV. Plus, both these models allow you to use the TTL flash with electronic shutter (up to 1/20 only) if you wish. These days in mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that’s very unusual, now Nikon 1 System cameras are gone. You can also re-enable the beeps and the AF illuminator with electronic shutter if you wish - these three features had only previously been on the E-M1 II, III, E-M1X, E-M5 III (all up to 1/50) Pen-F and E-PL10 (both up to 1/20).
@@aitchessanon4312 Appreciate the detail, thank you! Back in the day I was deciding between gx85 and em10-3, and those were the deciding factor.
Helpful reply, thank you Aitchess!
@@DavidThorpeMFT You’re welcome - thanks for the excellent video review (as always).
There is difference in each Om-D-10 and that is mk1 metal and one of the best small size camera ever made, m2 starting with plastic, mk3 plastic, mk4 cheap plastic and the end of a Olympus.
Much as I prefer metal, plastic is getting to be quite normal now and I guess I'm getting used to it.
...yet who knows what will happen with Olympus...
It looks OK for them at the moment, though I'm not convinced any maker is really OK right now., sadly.
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Super camera. Pity they have removed ability to supply power to the nifty little flash unit lm=fl3 widely used by owners of mk2 and mk3 cameras. I have measured the power pin on the hot shoe and it seems to be totally disconnected. Olympus have made zero information available about hot shoe capability for this camera..
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Thank you for this information.
Full frame the best
...but not for your back.
Go away
Full brain, too.
@@stefhendrik6977 you guys are bored .
We know the 10 IV is the best because the image covers 100% of the frame.
David, could you possibly speak a little slower and more clearly. I do use my heating aid, but you tend to assume we're all equipped with A1 hearing and translation aids. Otherwise, your content's usually OK. Thanks.
He has a point you know, David, although I do think your content is much better than usually ok ;)
I will keep it in mind, Westron. Sound is the hardest part of video!
Thanks, Stef. I will keep it in mind. I hate bloody sound!