Eureka Mignon Zero : In-Depth Review
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- An In-Depth Review of the features on the new Eureka Mignon Zero grinder. This single-dosing grinder offers many of the features users have come to love from Eureka including 55mm burrs, micrometric grind adjustment, and very low retention.
Chapters :
00:00 Intro
01:01 Features
02:34 Operation
04:03 Retention Tests
05:14 Grinding Speed Tests
06:17 Grinding Noise Level Tests
06:56 Maintenance
07:53 In The Box & Final Thoughts
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Another great video!
Great review! This looks like an amazing coffee grinder.
This is a very good coffee grinder, indeed, and this review is an ad.
@@eralasch I know it's an ad but, nonetheless, it does a solid job showcasing what it does.
Indeed! Already with this machine several months.
Got one last month in black. Retention is very low usually around +/- 0.1g and yeah it is silent so nothing to complain.
I've got the regular full fat one in black and it works well. How can they call it Minion and not have a yellow colour one ! 🤓
I have this grinder. I get 0g retention. My technique is this - Once you stop hearing beans grinding, stop the machine. Open the metal sliding cover fully and push bellows several times in quick succession. You can start machine again while you are pushing bellows if your grind level is very low (e.g. Turkish coffee). It works every time without fail.
Although it's rated to be used for turkish coffee, I wouldn't use it for that. You will need to manually clean the assembly occasionally. It's not difficult but takes time.
Thank you for that great video. I have the Eureka Mignon Single Dose for a few days now. It's from a friend and i got it for testing. I am perfectly happy with it. But since the Zero would cost around 250 € less i wonder if paying more would make any difference... Is there any difference in taste? In my understanding the difference is the diameter from the grinding disks which makes the single dose quicker... Is there any other difference? Thank you in advance! Greetings from Germany
Tobias?
Is there a way to calibrate this grinder?
Nice! I ‘be paired the Sette 270 with my Bianca, but everyone seems to love their Niche Zero.
Great review! I own an older Eureka Mignon (stepless knob on the left) and even with that model, there’s little to no retention. Though it’s stock hopper is made to hold probably close to 200+ grams of coffee, I only use it as a single dosing grinder. @WLL, Would love to know if that hopper fits the model I have and if so, do you sell it? Again, nice work !
Hello. We do indeed sell the single dose hopper and bellows. Although I cannot test to confirm that the hopper does indeed fit your grinder at the moment, I can tell you that the base of the funnel for the single dose hopper is right at 41mm. As far as I know, that should be the same as the one on your grinder. For the bellows to truly work, the hopper needs to fit snugly enough into the top of the grinder as to create a seal.
www.wholelattelove.com/collections/eureka-1920/products/eureka-mignon-single-dose-replacement-bellows
www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-single-dose-hopper-smoke
Hi, this is a super review. I'm on the fence between the Zero and Specialita. Just getting into making our own espresso and our entry level machine uses 51mm portafilters. Do you know if there are aftermarket dosing cup options that will fit the zero fork? Also what if you want to put a bottomless portafilter straight under the chute? Thanks! Want to order one of these soon but not sure which to go with yet.
Hi, i am also on the fence between Zero and Specialita. What have you chosen at the end?
How does this compare to the Oro? I'm looking at both.
When are you going to have the Libra waiting patiently. Thanks, Trent.
6:25 is it mentioned on their manual after how many "uses" or years of use, is it suggested to replace these anti-vibration rubbers ?
Hi Kats. Although it isn't specifically mentioned in the manual, unless you are using the machine in a commercial setting, I would believe that these would not need to be replaced in the lifetime of the grinder.
--BRYAN
What setting / number would you use for Moka pots looking at this before moving to dedicated espresso machine
Hi Colin, Thanks for the question. For Moka pot you want a grind size similar to espresso. There's no right setting/number for that. Adjust the grind to a fineness similar to table salt.
Hi,
I am trying to get new grinder. I am doing fiItr and espresso. Ihave wilfa uniform but it isn't good for espresso. What multi purpose single dose grinder would you recommend? I am thinking about zero or perffecto.
I have oscar2 for espresso.
Any plans to sell that bellows with the vented blade? I have a minion silenzio and would love to do this simple upgrade.
Hello. We do indeed sell the single dose hopper with bellows. Here are the links to the products:
www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-single-dose-hopper-smoke
www.wholelattelove.com/collections/eureka-1920/products/eureka-mignon-single-dose-replacement-bellows
Everything looks better than Eureka SD. I would be happy to see a comparison of these two machines.
And in Europe it is cheap especially when compared to SD
Hey, sell the hopper as an addition to other models like the XL, Oro, filturo and such. Are the hoppers interchangeable?
I bought the single dose hopper (no bellows) from Clive a couple months ago for my Oro Xl and absolutely love it.
Hello. Yes the hoppers are interchangeable, and we do sell the single dose hopper and bellows:
www.wholelattelove.com/collections/eureka-1920/products/eureka-mignon-single-dose-replacement-bellows
www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-single-dose-hopper-smoke
Hey Bryan,
I have a quick question regarding the Zero. I got mine a couple of months ago and I recently wanted to clean the chute. However, I had difficulty unscrewing the screw that is under the dial knob, which is holding the "face"/chute cover of the grinder.
My question is, is there a way to somehow remove the dial knob, in order to more easily unscrew the screw that is under the dial knob, or is there some other workaround?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Best
Unscrew the dial knob till the end, it comes off.
@@user-wb9hp2ml7b wouldn't this mess up with the grind setup I had before opening up the machine?
Also, should the machine be working while unscrewing or should I unscrew while the machine is unplugged ?
@@lubo0o1 Always unplug any machine when you are about to work on them. Believe me… ;-)
Nice review. I’m confused which one to pick from the Zero and the Oro. The Zero being a bit cheaper is nice and yet its performance looks really good. But what are the main differences between these two? I want to use it primarily for pour over and the occasional espresso.
Hi there.
The key differences between the Zero and the Oro SD is the burr size and material. The Oro SD uses a set of 65mm Diamond Inside burrs while the Zero uses 55mm hardened steel burrs. This difference would be mostly only noticeable in grind speed (with the larger burrs of the Oro SD providing faster grind speeds) and slightly better grind consistency (with the larger burrs as well.) The Zero also offers the option of grinding directly into a portafilter using the hands-free fork.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepagedoes the portafilter fork come included in the zero?
After a lot of research finally bought a Mignon Zero grinder, it's a amazing piece of art. However I've been struggling with the very little amount of information about the different settings in the dialing knob. I couldn't find so far any microns per mark chart (from zero point) for example. In some cases I saw information about the 3 full turns in the dial (from zero point) being the total range of settings from turkish to french press (0 to 1400 microns), and some others that mentions that is only 1.5 full turns for the full range (again, 0 to 1400 microns). So, pretty confused right now, is there any piece of information about this? Is the full range for the Mignon Zero 3 full turns to the dial knob?
Hi j, to best of my knowledge there is no microns per mark reference. The full range is as far as you want to go out to a coarser setting. For instance, cold brew grind is usually coarser than french press.
When is this available on your Canadian site?
Also interested to know!
Is it possible for this machine to be used like the mignon silenzio, where you actually push a button to grind and when you withdraw the portafilter it stops?
Hello Konstantinos.
The Mignon Zero is a single dosing grinder and not an on-demand grinder. There is no microswitch for the portafilter under the chute. The motor turns on when you flip the power switch on the side and turns off when you turn it off.
--BRYAN
Would like to know the espresso profile in taste, texture compared to a Sette 270 or a Niche (just some examples of conical burrs), to better understand where the Eureka stands in terms of espresso.
The difference is the same as any conical vs flat grinder.
@@bluemystic7501 which is...? Some say conical is more chocolate forward, less clarity-- and others say the opposite!
@@calisson47 No one says the opposite, lol. Flat is for clarity, conical is for chocolatey body.
@@bluemystic7501 I think Jimmy the Barista said the opposite...
You can also grind straight into the portafilter, right? I don't want to add the extra step of the cup.
Thx!
Hi there.
Yes, you can definitely grind directly into a portafilter. The fork that holds the dosing cup can also hold a portafilter and is sturdier than it looks.
--BRYAN
Do you recommend this primarily for premium sorts of coffee?
This grinder should be able to handle any coffee you throw into it, but I would stay away from using flavored beans.
Is this a good complement to the Breville Dual boiler, or is this too much to spend on a grinder for a machine of that level? This video was great btw, thanks for making it!
Valid question and concern. Upgrading your grinder in your espresso set up is always worth it. While I don't know what grinder you're using currently, the Zero is one of my favorite grinders I have used and will improve your workflow and grind quality no matter what espresso machine you use to brew with. And then if you ever look into upgrading your espresso machine, you'll already have a great grinder to pair with it.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks much Bryan! Really appreciate the reply!
I am filter coffee and espressor drinker and so i am searching for a grinder able to manage both sizes and also to keep grinding presets?
Hi mm, Our general recommendation is dedicated grinder for espresso brewing where grind size is critical and a separate grinder (usually lower cost) for filter brewing where grind is not as critical. Going all purpose in single grinder usually involves some compromise but the Ceado Life grinder is worth a look: ruclips.net/video/jmca5hUOhvQ/видео.html
I have already modified my Mignon for single dosing with a bellows hopper, including putting a switch on the top cover (so much easier than reaching down the side), so this just sounds like Eureka catching up.
Where did you purchased bellows hopper?
Is the "anti-electricity system" employed by the Zero the same tech as the "ionizer/plasma generator" of the current DF64 Gen 2? Or is it just an old school "declumper"?
Hi ztf, it's not the same. Jury may still be out on plasma. Folks still seem to have static issues: www.home-barista.com/grinders/df64-gen2-static-issue-is-this-defective-t90750-10.html
I wonder if anyone (Etsy?) is selling a wooden lid to replace this plastic one--or a chrome one?
Yes, it is somewhat ugly - BUT it will not break right away, once it fell down.
The wooden lid that came with my _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ broke on the very first day after a very soft fall on a wooden floor…
Since I needed to glue it anyway, I took the opportunity to dye it dark to match better the matt black color option of the grinder I went for.
I did the same dyeing procedure with the wooden base underneath the dosing cup. But it took some effort to sand it down properly first to make the dye color stick.
Eureka did a rather good job at water protecting this light wooden surface.
I would love to find these wooden parts made from fine pieces of walnut, but this would be rather expensive, I am afraid…
I see a lot of the same build as my atom. I only need two seconds for 19grams. 😊
Can the burr be replaced with a 55 mm Eureka "Diamondinside" Dimond burr?
Hi T, Yes 55 DIs can replace standard 55.
when you remove the burrs, at 7'20'', there seems to be a lot of coffee retention.
Had observed that too, and was wondering...Hmmm...
The Bryan density is getting higher at WLL ;-)
Thank you, Bryan, for keeping the RGB order correctly on the right side in this video…
Would be nice to have a side by side comparison with the _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ .
With this new _Zero_ you would get (only) 55 mm burrs instead of 65 mm ones and the grinder weighs 1.6 kg less…
Is there any difference in taste due to the burrs‘ size or grinder speed?
@Marc, yes, you are being missed - I hope that you are alive and kicking ;-)
Hi Smith.
The larger burrs of the Oro Single Dose definitely provide a faster grind speed, but the difference in taste will be negligible. And worry not, Marc is doing quite well and as busy as ever.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, Bryan, sorry for misspelling your name ;-)
Concerning the burrs’ size, I thought so too. But I definitively appreciate Eureka’s further improving these grinders.
At least you can read the grind size much better from this new knob and having a quieter grinder is always good.
The rather strange position of the dosing cup seems to have the advantage that the _Zero_ is even less spilling ground coffee.
All in all, it seems that Eureka are paying more attention to customers’ wishes… ;-)
Bryan, thank you for this calm and professional overview of this grinder, excellent job.
See you around ;-)
I got a 3d printed incline stand, and the retention dropped to 0.00 g to 0.04 g. I suggest everyone to do this upgrade.
Hey JT, That's awesome - thanks for the tip!
Hi I just picked up this grinder myself! which incline stand did you get?
What's the maximum grinds per hour?
In the manual for my _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ they are saying that you should not _exaggerate_ in grinding in order to give it a chance to cool down again.
And that is for their larger 65 mm burrs ;-)
If you happen to grind coffee every two to three minutes, I do not see any problem at all. But you should probably not use it to grind a ton of coffee in very short period of time.
does it suffer the same problem holding true zero on the adjustment knob post cleaning as all of the other mignons? nobody seems to want to answer this question
Mine as well as many others don’t have a problem with this on the Mignon line as he stated 7:36
@@playnicegames glad for you. However that is the same thing said in all of their other mignon videos if you’ve watched them. Yet many report the claim as inaccurate.
@@ozpain1 I have two Mignon grinders and both are great at holding the zero point during cleaning.
@@ozpain1 can you point me in the direction of the many that say it’s inaccurate, I am in many coffee circles and haven’t heard this from anyone.
@@playnicegames sadly I have not saved links to said issue, though I wish I had. I’ve owned the Specialita and the issue was a persistent one. This caused me to see if others have had the same issue online, which is how I came across those with a similar experience. I think one video came from The Wired Gourmet? Cannot remember for certain. Anyway, I opted to return the mignon and upgraded to the Ceado e37S and called it a day.
I have had this in my cart the past few days. Can you comment on the flimsiness of the top lid and bellows? Others have said they are always popping off. Same with the portafilter prongs, seems like they are lose and cen get knocked around when removing the dosing cup/portafilter. Would love to hear some feedback on the negatives since all products have them. Thanks!
Hi Aaron. Through normal, everyday use, I never had any issues with the top lid and bellows popping off. With the bellows installed correctly on the hopper, it is quite secure and the lid does simply lay on top of them so I could see how that might get knocked about, but it has never happened to me. In reference to the fork, I will admit when I originally saw it, I thought it was not going to be great, but it is actually surprisingly robust. I tested it with every type of spouted portafilter we have around and they all sat securely during grinding (although I would recommend using the dosing cup anyway). Honestly, this is a pretty solid grinder and there are no blaring downsides. If I had to pick something, I would just say that, although it is billed as an all-purpose grinder, it is best suited for espresso due to the micrometric adjustment as it is most useful in dialing in espresso and less so for coarser grind sizes.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage awesome, that is super helpful feedback. Thanks Bryan!
Mine never pops off and I use it twice daily + I give the lid 3 slaps after finishing. But I also was concerned when I saw the other review.
Waiting for the Libra review
What scale are you using?
Hey sue it's this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/acaia-pearl-s-coffee-scale-in-black
I have a Baratza Vario and the calibration process involves getting the burrs to touch at the 2Q setting, which is obviously not the finest. That means the burrs would be touching each other if I were to run it dry (no beans) to use it for single-dose grinding if I use settings finer than 2Q. I often use settings finer than 2Q, but I never run it dry. So, finally, my question is: do the burrs of this Eureka grinder touch each other in its finest settings? And, if so, won't that wear out the burrs quicker?
Hi there. When turning the knob to finer settings, it is always wise to do it while the burrs are spinning. On most grinders, there is going to be a point where the burrs touch, but the burrs should not be touching each other during normal operation. A useful technique for dialing in your grind for espresso on an initial set up is to have the burrs spinning dry and turn the knob fine all the way until they just start to the touch and then coarsen it up a little (on this grinder, I coarsened it up about 3-4 numbers on the knob from burrs touching). Being that the knob freely rotates on this grinder for the micrometric adjustment, the numbers on the knob itself are not standard across every machine and are used more for individual reference.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your reply, but I'm still a bit confused. So, it sounds like the setting you use, in particular, does not cause the burrs to touch, but it also sounded that the touch point setting is not the finest, which means someone could want to set it like that (for espresso with stale beans or Turkish, for example). Is that advisable? Like... I use settings finer than the touch point in the Vario, but I have the hopper always feeding beans, which I assume prevents them from actually rubbing while grinding. To be honest, that's what's keeping me away from these single dose grinders. I am concerned about quick wear if I need to grind finer than the touch point, and also I don't know if that will send microscopic pieces of steel into my coffee 😬 What do you think? What's Eureka's official word on this? If the burrs shouldn't be touching during normal operation, shouldn't all these single-dose grinders have them not touch even at the finest setting?
Will this fit a 54mm portafilter?
Hello Sean.
A 54mm portafilter works just fine in the fork for hands-free grinding. When it comes to the dosing cup, the top edge does not fully insert into the basket, so, while it does work, you have to be a little more careful when transferring your grounds.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks, yeah I assumed the cup would not work because 58mm, but it's good to know the fork can be used with different sized portafilters!
Wow that looks perfect!
(Regret buying the Profitec T64, but that was a few yrs ago)
If I’m in the market for a new grinder, I’ll get this one!
Just curious, what didn't you like about the profitec? I'm back and forth between the ECM c54 and this Mignon Zero.
@@superfurtz I’ll start with why I bought it in the first place, I bought the Profitec 500 PRO and wanted the grinder to match. The T64 is a beast, strong motor, fast grind, huge burs, will last a lifetime. Stepless grind adjusting, large hopper. A little less than $900 on sale. What I DON’T LIKE about it, static really bad. The metal grate at the gate to declump the coffee static caused a lot of retention. Cleaning is a pain, lots of screws to remove, the adjustment gear has to be removed, and the whole job took 2 or 3 tools. I came to hate the crappy timer gadget to set the grind time. So, this EMZ solves all these problems.
@@Sourpusscandy that's helpful info. The reason I'm looking at the smaller ECM is that I like to go back and forth between filter coffee and espresso. I think the large wheel would be easier to move between the two. Are you using the EMZ for both? Is the tiny adjustment know easy/hard to use to jump to the larger grinds? Then find your way back to your espresso setting?
@@superfurtz I don’t own the EMZ but I would like to. I use the Profitec T64 for espresso and a Breville Smart Grinder Pro for all other brewing methods because of ease of use and portability. The Breville has timer and grind size knobs. It’s a conical grinder, but I’m very satisfied with it.
Tom, I’m an owner of an older Eureka Mignon model, that is also stepless. I do love it but if you think you would like to use your grinder for different brew methods or even say, just espresso but alternate between different beans, DO NOT go with a stepless grinder regardless of the brand. As I said, I love my older Mignon but once I dial it in for a certain bean, it stays that way until I run out and have to dial in for another. I use it for espresso only and have a Baratza Encore for pour over and other brew methods. So that’s the workaround. I do wish I could alternate between beans for espresso and at times have thought about replacing this with a stepped model but alas, this is a first world problem. Hope that offers some perspective.
wich would be better, this or the eureka oro single dose?
Hello.
This is a great question, as these two options are very similar. When it comes to specifications, the Oro SD has larger, diamond-inside burrs which grind faster and should stay sharper longer. Due to the Oro SD's diagonal orientation, it is slightly shorter than the Zero, but has a larger countertop footprint. The Zero comes with the portafilter fork which gives you the option to either grind directly into a portafilter or into the dosing cup, while the Oro SD is designed to exclusively work with a dosing cup. Finally, the Zero does come in multiple colors, if that is something you are interested in. In the end, I would say it just comes down to preference in what you are specifically looking for. The Oro SD is a more premium grinder, but they both do an exceptional job day to day.
--BRYAN
What happened to the other guy?
Marc?
How could niche doesnt sew them for using zero ????
If it has 0.1g of retention, it is not zero retention. That is 1 bean going somewhere on every dose ground.
You realize 0.1g is like 1/2 of a coffee bean, right?
@@bluemystic7501 Yes I do, and after 10 grinds, you do realize that is 1oz of coffee, right?
@@TomJones-tx7pb Bro, your math, lol.
@@bluemystic7501 lol yeah terrible math, but the point is valid.
@@TomJones-tx7pb I see what you're getting at but it's not like the grinder will just keep retaining grounds until it explodes, lol. I don't own this grinder yet but if mine explodes, I'll let you know.
Nothing about the most important thing: TASTE?
That video sounds like an Ad
Unfortunately grinders based on flat burrs are not single-dose. There always about of 1gr of old cofee inside the grinder. You may treat it as single-dosing but it's not absolutely true. Also you didn't used WDT 3:55 that it's not good for extraction
The amount of coffee retained is the same as my Rocky. What brands should i research.?
@@mkeith328 if u need a grinder with exactly zero-retention you have to search for conical-based grinders like Timemore, Niche, Mazzer etc there are a lot of ones, it depends only on your country
There’s grinders that cost more than 550🫣
I have paid €400 like 4 years ago. Still happy.
🤣 welcome to the dark side. 500$ is on the low side for specialty grinders...
It‘s merely €313 in Europe. Why are Eureka grinders so overpriced in the US?!
@@wolframluchner5316 , because they are EUReka, and not USDeka.