Watching the the decline of their relationship and ultimately leading to a family torn between their ideals of Life, honor and Duty. I went through this whole scene and fight feeling like shedding tears 😢 I almost lost because of it too.
Who said that? Edit: I assumed it was a quote so that's why I said "who said that". I meant no disrespect. Yea I know there was no quotation I just assumed. And I didn't watch the complete video so
In large part, that first part is what matters. Jin cared about the people, Shimiura didn’t. That’s why honor exists, to keep the peasants in their place. So Jin helping them win the war that the shogun couldn’t is a hard L for them to hold.
@@moonmoon2479that is not how I view honor. Their viewpoint on what honor is supposed to be is rigid and narrowing. In my opinion true honor is found in compassion and strength and courage on behalf of those who can't protect themselves. That is why the ghost is a man of honor in my eyes.
The fact that they showed their emotion, something samurai would never do, in the final fight just proves that this is one of the emotional battles in video game history.
Without honour that can’t be victory but without a mind and a heart that can not be a true victory that is what makes up a warrior as well as a samurai
But then again, there was a decent level of realism in this game before. And this looks like a mortal combat fight to me. Yet, I understand the decision from the storytelling perspective.
I mean first of all in my opinion Khan was just a dick even at the beginning I instantly hated especially when he killed Taka which also made me like him as the antagonist
I think sparing him in the end is the best because it represents Jin's code of honor which is to protect his people and his family no matter the cost. Unlike his uncle's code of honor no matter the cost.
Plus it gives Shimura an out from having to commit seppuku. Jin is a man without honor so the fact that Shimura was spared and wounded in battle demonstrates that he still upheld his by trying to kill Jin. That's why Shimura looks practically relieved when Jin spares him. He now knows what Jin has to do, but mourns him never seeing his adopted son again.
What is amazing in this fact is the detail : You are forced to wear the ronin armor, who is essentially "a samurai without a master". Which is what Jin becomes at the end of the story.
The representation i'm getting from the colored leaves they both sit on. Jin sitting on the white leaves represents him defending the people he cares for at any cost and gaining freedom from the code. Shimura sitting on the red leaves represents him being a slave to the code and having to spill his son's blood for it.
Since you spotted the petals, look at the Yin and Yang symbol they become when Jin and Shimura sit. I was thinking Shimura is wearing white to reflect order, authority and purity. Among red petals that symbolize blood, war, and death. While Jin is wearing red on white petals. Symbolizing he's a gruesome murderer among an order and authority. Who ever made this scene has appropriately earned an applause from many.
the ghost armor color is also based on the side you chose, chose jin and kill uncle you get the white armor or chose uncle and spare him , you get the red armor
Many fans have requested a shinobi type of AC game for a long time but it seems they didn't see the potential, This game i think will make them change their minds
I think Ubisoft don't want to make it because there are now too many games focusing on feudal Japan era and mostly if they want to make an AC Japan they need it to make it par with this game or sekiro.
Goddamn...the roller-coaster of emotions in this fight... *Sucker Punch* truly captures the essence of old samurai movie feels in this final boss battle. The tears, the haiku, and that subtle meaning in _their action of throwing their scabbards away..._ Compound them with the picturesque environment, and the melancholic music...truly, this is a masterpiece!
I know right and the choice in the ending. Kill him and recover his and your honor, but with The cost of a life of a loved one. Spare him and both of you lose your dignity, but atleast your love for him keeps Shimura alive. So poetical 😁
@@renansantos6533 YES. This is the seminal and classical trope in samurai movies of the inner conflict between loyalty & duty to the shogun/ Emperor & the code of samurai, against filial piety & all the virtues and vices of men. So grounded, yet so grand.
@@nickypenn5841 I like the combat, is so realist, the majority of sword games makes you hit the enemies a thousand times until you kill them lol. Here depending where you hit your enemy, He dies with a few movies or just one hit. Just like what would happen in real life.
But I’d say Jun’s uncle would be happier if he died at his hands instead, if he were to choose. Like he taught Jin in the flashback when he had Jin kill that assassin while looking at them straight in the eye, that’s how a samurai shows respect for the other’s life. If he commits seppuku, it’s to atone for his dishonor of failing. If Jin kills him, it would comfort him in death. Well, that’s assuming he has to commit seppuku anyway, since Jin acts like his uncle won’t be dying in the scene after with Yuna.
I'm not sure if shimura will die but I know he isnt dead because I heard a few peasants talking about how "Lord Shimura got to the castle gates and collapsed, the samurais had to carry him in" etc and that it'll take a few months for him to heal,
@Wunder Waffles555 Presumably, there is t that large of a time slip between the fight with him and the after game. It’s not like they had phones, after all.
I think a sequel will either take place in another timeline or a different country will be awesome it will be Sony's own ac without the sci-fiction stuff
@@mareo187 I read a japanese comment just a few days ago saying that a "Ghost" series would be nice and having the sequel takes place in the Ōnin war would be interesting
I like how satisfying both endings are. On one hand, if Jin spares his uncle, he still considers him as family, despite having cast aside his honor and knowing his uncle will continue to hunt him for the rest of his days. On the other, granting him a warrior's death proves to him that Jin still has some degree of honor left, he even refers to him as "my son" one last time before Jin delivers the killing blow, with a smile on his face, promising that they'll meet again in the next life. Either way, Jin has nothing else to lose but his home by the end. That is a great way to set up the sequel.
@Unbreakable Patches yeah but even though it is realistic many of the games elements are overdramatised and inaccurate for the sake of players enjoyment.
@@henrydikes6704 but then we'd talk about how unrealistic those are. This game has authenticity in its story, and that shouldn't be doubted because of it's fantastic gameplay.
@@oliveoil5328 as a japanese man, i have a hate boner for weebs. sure, you can respect and embrace the culture, but don't say you're japanese when you're an overweight american! it's so stupid, man.
I really love this ending, it shows how Jin even though he became a ruthless fighter who taken down the Khan and even saved not only Tsushima but the main island where the Shogun is, he is hunted by the same people who fought for his same cause. Not because he defeated the mongols in a dishonorable way, but because he embraced The Ghost persona who sent a precedent for the common people to follow a different figure and in general threaten the Shogun's leadership, Jin opened his eyes and his mind when he become this figure to protect Tsushima and its people at all costs, when Shimura still puts the honor and his servitude to his superior above everything, even his nephew and the people of the island. Their fight shows how Shimura's blind faith made him try to kill his own family who risked everything to rescue him, and Jin victory and choice of kill or spare equally shows how he loves his uncle nevertheless(Killing him fullfil his desires of dying a honorable death, and Sparing him shows how The Ghost is not the monster the Shogun paint him to be and how Jin won't let himself to see another paternal figure get killed)
I must be the only one who uses the Sakai sword and not the others. To me, that’s Jin’s signature weapon and the sword he used canonically throughout the game.
At first I used the Hero of Tsushima blade just 'cause the gold looks cool. But after Jin fully became the ghost and was exiled I used the Sakai blade.
@@just1randomguy658 I know it may seem odd to others, but when I play games I tend to use the weapons, outfits etc that the official art has a character wear. I guess it’s what the devs kinda want you to use.
@@MartialArtsGamer man Im glad im not the only one. I do this all the time too. It also makes the cutscenes more authentic and immersive when using the canon weapons, and armor. I do this with Kingdom Hearts by using the Kingdom Key my whole playthrough
@@ishraque3601 Shogun is more powerful than Shimura so I doubt that whole Japan would be mad. Even whole Tsushima wouldn't be mad (Yarikawa hated Shimura). Shogun would order him to commit seppukku and would disband his clan. Killing him is a better option.
You vs the stranger who killed people you loved. Or You vs your loved , your last family member who turns into your enemy. It's obviously Why this fight is more emotional.
@@greentea1941 Bro, I have seen many fictions who can even make a fight with stranger villain feels more emotional, due to build up and good interactions between the characters. For example, Raiden vs Sam in MGR, Snake vs Ocelot in MGS. Ellie and Abby only meet each other 3 times in the game and they have literally zero interactions in each meet up. Of course players won't feel anything for their fight.
Are we not gonna talk about this MASTERPIECE of music they composed for this fight. Loud and fast but graceful and smooth as if it mirrors the fight and the emotions of both characters. This game dude. One of the greats.
"You were my son" That....That Broke me. And it takes a lot to break me! I spared Shimura. I wanted him to have a 2nd chance. But we all know that he would never love any other child the way he loved Jin. He said it himself: "The wounds you dealt my spirit will never heal"
I've never had more goosebumps in a game, movie or book as I did the moment they walked toward each other and lifted their blades while the music swelled. Amazing
Tear-inducing final boss battle where you reluctantly duel your character's mentor, in the field covered with white petals. I might have seen this in certain other Japanese game... Edit: I didn't know Ghost of Tsushima is not Japanese game by origin.
This was beautiful. The final clashing of blades between teacher and student, between "father" and "son". I love final battles like these, where the culmination of everything they've exchanged builds up to the final swipe of the blade.
To me sparing him is the canonical ending. Jin was literally telling Shimura moments before this that he had become a slave to honor. So him killing Shimura honorably literally goes against their entire argument they had with each other the whole game and before the final fight. Jin putting on the ghost mask one last time to his uncles disappointment is literally the perfect ending. The other ending goes against everything the entire game built up in my opinion. To the point where I question why they even bothered to have two different endings to begin with.
It also acts as proof that Jin still has honour and hammers home the implicit message of the game that honour isn't strictly tied to the system of Bushidō, just like the other ending does. In the sparing ending, Jin fully rejects all of Bushidō and his Uncle's wishes to demonstrate his commitment to breaking away from his Uncle's way of thinking. In the killing ending, Jin demonstrates that just because he has betrayed the code and gone his own way, that doesn't mean he is without honour. Both endings showcase that Jin has rejected Bushidō's strict concepts of honour for his own more flexible moral code and act as equally viable endpoints for Jin's metamorphosis.
There are two ways to interpret Jin's actions towards his uncle's request. The first is that Jin completely rejects the code, which leads to him leaving his family behind as a demonstration of his commitment. The second interpretation is that Jin ceremonially cuts ties with the code through one final "honourable" act while also severing his last link. This action ensures that Jin can never go back to the code again.
The kill ending is still more emotional tho as Shimura accepts Jin as his son after everything. In the spare option Shimura will probably still have to commit seppuku and they part ways on a bitter note
Damn that fight with Lord Shimura was amazing, you won against him by a stroke of the sword. 8:18 You both all are just one more swing away. it was so intense.
I like the leaves forming a yin yang in white and red. Also you can catch shimura crying. As much as a slave to honor as he is, he still doesn't relish the idea of killing jin
I mean..... this is the last time where mongols invade Japan at all so is very unlikely we’ll get a sequel but I do hope they can keep this kind of style and make some new games
Genghis Khan but that one they barely even made out to the surface and most mongols were death before the battle due to storm. And it is a huge win for the Japanese since the beginning not like the first time, but I really hope SP can keep this Asian artistic style to make something new. Not many developers do that in the western gaming company.
The uncle was a good man but too obsessed with honour that he couldn't see the good Jin had done. But i spared him because he was the only family Jin had left.
You made the same haiku as I did. The words just spoke to me, couldn't pick anything else. And i too spared lord shimura. Choosing to kill him would undo all the sacrifices Jin has made. 12/10 game. Really hope we get a sequel.
“I've been through a lot in the past few years. And it's been hard, but I'm realizing that I had to go through all those things to learn the truth. I thought I had lost my honor, and that somehow my father could return it to me. But I know now that no one can give you your honor. It's something you earn for yourself by choosing to do what's right. All I want now is to play my part in ending this war.” A great fire bender once said those words. These two should learn from them.
This final battle was nothing short of high art. The fight with Khotun Khan, and the Khan's stereotypical "big bad guy" character in general, felt relatively weak, but this last battle makes it clear that the story was never about just "fighting the Mongols". The build up, the haiku, and the choice at the end was especially difficult; you either do the honorable thing and kill the man who has only ever loved you like a son, or let him live but dishonor him forever. Story and build up, it is easily one of the best and most heartbreaking that I've ever played. Masterpiece of writing and animation. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE DO A CASE STUDY ON THIS, NAUGHTY DOG. MIGHT HELP.
remember when Shimura said don't let your emotion control you ? here Lord Shimura can't control his emotion he was too weak in the fight as the last boss because he can't do it you can hear it in his voice and words "it's my punishment" and he also cries which shows how he emotionally went ... That's why i like Shimura and i felt that he was my family and he was real ... Note : I played the whole game in hard mode and Shimura was very weak compared to other duels
Shimura was honestly pretty easy compared to Khan, Ryuzo and the other bosses. But I think it makes the fight more impactful, how you're forced to win against him.
Jin and Lord Shimura are such well written characters. Both are forced to choose between what is honourable or necessary, each an impossible choice given the circumstances. As someone who has an irreconcilable relationship with his father, this final battle hit me right in the feels. Well played Sucker Punch.
Never played the game but man does this fight seem amazing! They showed no hatred towards each other, only sadness and regret that their paths must cross like this. And they still walk away still calling each other family.
"You have no honor." "And you are a slave to it!" "You were my son." Why do you have to do this to me, game? That cut deeper than any wound Jin gave out. Also my favorite detail is that Jin shows primarily stoicism, very few emotions, how you'd expect a samurai to be. Shimura let out his emotions more than a few times throughout the story, unable to hide the pain of having to oppose someone he raised as his own son.
I have to agree with Jin's uncle on this one: using poison was THE WORST tactical mistake he ever made. The Khan learned how to make it and used against his people
I always thought that the character models, especially on the faces could have been better, but for some reason in this scene it's terrific. It's like they saved the best for last lol
it's an ongoing debate on "Kill" or "Spare", my take on it is that "Spare" is more in character with Jin at the end of the game, like finally embracing his own code instead of the samurai code. there's a lot of comments that it may just result to Shimura committing seppuku later anyway, and that may be the case yes, but Jin decides not to take any part in it. he is just done with it by the end of the game...
Well in game Yuna says he doesn’t do that and in the end Jin writes him letters so it’s implied he lives, especially since he’s needed to train the new Samurai for the Shogun.
I killed him out of respect than honor. Its what Shimura wanted in this last fight if he lost and I feel its what he deserves in end after living so dilgently
I cried literally, screaming "no more", "that is enough", I can understand what pain they are going through Between family and Duty, Between Honour and righteousness And Between Law and freewill
God they knocked it out the freaking park with this game. The atmosphere, the voice acting, the gameplay, the characters. This game is pretty much perfect.
People really missed the point of the ending it's not about Jin still following honor it's about a last meeting between father and son and granting his final wish to him. He still fully embraces the ghost. He still we be hunted for the rest of his days. But killing shimura was being jin himself one last time, to his Say goodbye to his father and not to dishonor him like he dishonored himself.
Thanks Sony for giving us this kind Masterpiece and love the games that ps exclusive they are all very good games with beautiful story lines. This game is my second best story based game after God of war
I actually like the ending better where you honor his wish and kill him. I convinced myself that he was already going to die of blood loss and would probably commit seppuku if I didn’t kill him. That ending is extremely emotional and sad, but also beautiful.
Fun fact: They drop the sword scabbards because to the samurai, this signified you were prepared to die; you wouldn't live to sheath your sword again.
Holy shit
@@gabrielegenota1480 That explains it cuz shimura rekt me 20 times
@@kevinzki21 Maybe you're just shit at the game
@@MakeSomeNoiseForNoisyBoy I platinumed the game a week ago on lethal jokes on you my friend.
@@kevinzki21 Why dont you say that part first xD
“My head is the cost.”
“Taking it is my punishment.”
That really, really hit me :(
Bro same. ;-;
Watching the the decline of their relationship and ultimately leading to a family torn between their ideals of Life, honor and Duty. I went through this whole scene and fight feeling like shedding tears 😢 I almost lost because of it too.
it really reminds me of red dead redemption 2 and the decline of arthur, dutch, and the gangs relationships but in a more sophisticated light😭
The Shogun wants my head?
HE CAN COME AND GET IT HIMSELF.
@@shawnthompson2303 the shogun can get dez nutz
Writing your own death poem before a boss fight? Thats really neat.
Japanese culture. Polite af. 🙏
It was something samurai some times did, when they knew they would face certain death.
Yeah because a samurai from birth were prepared to face death so they write their poem
I also remember in the game they said it got the warrior concentrated and ready to figth
depending on the outcome of the fight the poem is also for the other guy.
“Our final day together, it is beautiful”. What a powerful line
yeah,powerful to break my heart :(
Yeah how to make me cry
the hardest part of this fight was the tears obscuring my vision
I know I didn't even like his uncle that much and I found the whole scene/ fight emotional
Same. I spent about 5 whole minutes trying to decide wether to kill him or not
I was dogging the whole time saying i don't want to kill you
@@blanclover122 Same here.
You dont feel sad when you see someone play it but when you do it i get covered in tears
The man who chose to defend his home, but lose his honor.....is a man of honor in the eyes of Amaterasu
Who said that?
Edit: I assumed it was a quote so that's why I said "who said that". I meant no disrespect. Yea I know there was no quotation I just assumed. And I didn't watch the complete video so
Usman Umar your mom
True that bro very well said
Usman Umar bro it was just a joke don’t mind too much abt it
Which god?
They’re not Christian.
"i had to stop you from throwing away people lives"
"you have no honor"
"and you are a slave to it!"
excellent read and animation.
Jin just roasted shimura
Batman: we don't kill criminal, justice not vengeance
Jason and damian: "and you are a slave to it!"
Willing to adapt vs unwilling to adapt.
In large part, that first part is what matters. Jin cared about the people, Shimiura didn’t. That’s why honor exists, to keep the peasants in their place. So Jin helping them win the war that the shogun couldn’t is a hard L for them to hold.
@@moonmoon2479that is not how I view honor. Their viewpoint on what honor is supposed to be is rigid and narrowing. In my opinion true honor is found in compassion and strength and courage on behalf of those who can't protect themselves. That is why the ghost is a man of honor in my eyes.
The fact that they showed their emotion, something samurai would never do, in the final fight just proves that this is one of the emotional battles in video game history.
cut the crap
Without honour that can’t be victory but without a mind and a heart that can not be a true victory that is what makes up a warrior as well as a samurai
@@sambadu100 stfu
Retro Dave enough respect what has happened here
Shimura was the samurai that showed emotion, Jin is the ronin that didn’t
Really glad they didn’t let us wear out armor during this scene me wearing a monkey mask in a loincloth would of ruined this scene
Childeater this game is chock full of extremely smart design decisions.
But then again, there was a decent level of realism in this game before. And this looks like a mortal combat fight to me. Yet, I understand the decision from the storytelling perspective.
I just finished it on lethal, and I was shouting "where the fucks my armour" pretty stressful without it
Lol true
Yeah, they made the right choice
The Devil works fast, but Boss Fight Database works faster.
What if he is the devil
@@alexmercer5414 😮😵😱
lol
Lol
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Jin to Khan: “You will never be remembered”
Jin to Shimura: “I will make sure you are remembered”
....this game...
The khan is the man Jin hated more
Shimura is the man Jin loved more
On Edge it’s funny cause when you die while fighting khan he says “your people will forget you”
Fallen Battlefront dayyyum
I mean first of all in my opinion Khan was just a dick even at the beginning I instantly hated especially when he killed Taka which also made me like him as the antagonist
@@AlguienCualquieraDelMundo god i miss shimura :(
I think sparing him in the end is the best because it represents Jin's code of honor which is to protect his people and his family no matter the cost. Unlike his uncle's code of honor no matter the cost.
Plus it gives Shimura an out from having to commit seppuku. Jin is a man without honor so the fact that Shimura was spared and wounded in battle demonstrates that he still upheld his by trying to kill Jin.
That's why Shimura looks practically relieved when Jin spares him. He now knows what Jin has to do, but mourns him never seeing his adopted son again.
No way. Shimura had to die with honor.
No killing him is best
I killed him because that’s what he wanted and I didn’t want to shame him anymore
@@Robopiglet I killed him because it gives more impact to the story
This fight have around 50 different meanings and references, both to game events and historical ones.
What a masterpiece.
Every single frame in this game is a work of art.
Dream works : watch our movie
Sucker punch: watch and play our movie
how does dreamworks factor into this? lol
more like Naughty Dog lol
Cx Fives Naughty dog: watch the last jedi
Rockstar: Watch, play and live with our movie
you haven't seen metal gear have you lmao
What is amazing in this fact is the detail : You are forced to wear the ronin armor, who is essentially "a samurai without a master". Which is what Jin becomes at the end of the story.
I almost cried having to fight Lord Shimura. I had nothing but respect for him and I couldn't kill him because he didn't deserve death.
He just died later, alone. I don't think not killing him is mercy. It is disrespect. I killed him to honor is last wishes.
I didn't want to kill him too but that white dye tho
@@justsomeguywithoutabeard8306 white dye was worth it
Man I literally could not fight for 5-10 minutes straight because of tears in my eyes :')
I spared him out of cruel mercy.
The representation i'm getting from the colored leaves they both sit on.
Jin sitting on the white leaves represents him defending the people he cares for at any cost and gaining freedom from the code.
Shimura sitting on the red leaves represents him being a slave to the code and having to spill his son's blood for it.
I always knew there was a meaning, just didn't know what it meant
That's a really good observation!
Since you spotted the petals, look at the Yin and Yang symbol they become when Jin and Shimura sit.
I was thinking Shimura is wearing white to reflect order, authority and purity. Among red petals that symbolize blood, war, and death.
While Jin is wearing red on white petals. Symbolizing he's a gruesome murderer among an order and authority.
Who ever made this scene has appropriately earned an applause from many.
I on the otherhand was too dumb to even notice they were on different colored leaves, lmao. Well done, guys.
the ghost armor color is also based on the side you chose, chose jin and kill uncle you get the white armor or chose uncle and spare him , you get the red armor
Ubisoft made a huge loss not to explore this era. Damn Ghost of Tushima plays and looks like a perfect AC game.
Many fans have requested a shinobi type of AC game for a long time but it seems they didn't see the potential, This game i think will make them change their minds
@@leonyltupasan If they ever change their mind, will they be able to make a decent Japan AC game? That's the next big question lol
Well let's just hope it's just not a Japanese skin AC game and recycle animation/assets.
I think Ubisoft don't want to make it because there are now too many games focusing on feudal Japan era and mostly if they want to make an AC Japan they need it to make it par with this game or sekiro.
@@jhoannadevotee That's being said, they missed the train
Eyes that saw my pain
Destiny divides our souls
This is where we part
*E X T R E M E M A N E M O T I O N S*
Naruto!!!! Sasuke!!!
@@krasnowDD Errghhh Liquid!!!!!!!! Snake!!!!!!!!!!
@@krasnowDD TETSUOOOOO! KANEDAAAAA!
I had the same haiku man. So fucking poignant
Rome Dela Rosa YOOO I HAD THE SAME ONE TF
Goddamn...the roller-coaster of emotions in this fight...
*Sucker Punch* truly captures the essence of old samurai movie feels in this final boss battle.
The tears, the haiku, and that subtle meaning in _their action of throwing their scabbards away..._
Compound them with the picturesque environment, and the melancholic music...truly, this is a masterpiece!
I know right and the choice in the ending.
Kill him and recover his and your honor, but with The cost of a life of a loved one.
Spare him and both of you lose your dignity, but atleast your love for him keeps Shimura alive.
So poetical 😁
@@renansantos6533 YES.
This is the seminal and classical trope in samurai movies of the inner conflict between loyalty & duty to the shogun/ Emperor & the code of samurai, against filial piety & all the virtues and vices of men.
So grounded, yet so grand.
@@nickypenn5841 I Can't wait to buy this game, each video makes me more excited 🤗
@@renansantos6533 Oh, enjoy it brother.
I am definitely enjoying it right now!
@@nickypenn5841 I like the combat, is so realist, the majority of sword games makes you hit the enemies a thousand times until you kill them lol.
Here depending where you hit your enemy, He dies with a few movies or just one hit. Just like what would happen in real life.
Wow this game actually gives you the choice to kill the final boss?
I'm loving it already
Itvsick I have it
Smith Wesson better not have been a diss at last of us. If it was, I wish you’d keep an open mind
You don't get it, Abby loves zebras and is afraid of heights! She's soooo relatable.
@@basketballbeast755 shut up. He's allowed to criticize what he wants
Brandon who are you? His dad? Chill out kid I didn’t say he COULDNT stupid. I said I’d WISH he kept an open mind. You feel dumb now?
Damn ninjas be cutting onions..
More like samurais
not ninja(back stabbers) but samuraiii(honor)
IT’S THE GHOST!
Casper is that you!?
@@MikaelPorttila no its danny phantom
>Spare
>Uncle is forced to commit seppuku for the supreme dishonor of failing the shogun's direct orders
Hm.
it's an honorable death either way. jin isn't forced to do it himself.
The Brilliant And Amazing Gamer true
But I’d say Jun’s uncle would be happier if he died at his hands instead, if he were to choose. Like he taught Jin in the flashback when he had Jin kill that assassin while looking at them straight in the eye, that’s how a samurai shows respect for the other’s life.
If he commits seppuku, it’s to atone for his dishonor of failing. If Jin kills him, it would comfort him in death. Well, that’s assuming he has to commit seppuku anyway, since Jin acts like his uncle won’t be dying in the scene after with Yuna.
I'm not sure if shimura will die but I know he isnt dead because I heard a few peasants talking about how "Lord Shimura got to the castle gates and collapsed, the samurais had to carry him in" etc and that it'll take a few months for him to heal,
@Wunder Waffles555 Presumably, there is t that large of a time slip between the fight with him and the after game. It’s not like they had phones, after all.
“LET HIM LIVE AND WALK AWAY” sounds like Ghost of Tsushima 2 for PS5.🍃
I think a sequel will either take place in another timeline or a different country will be awesome it will be Sony's own ac without the sci-fiction stuff
@@mareo187 I read a japanese comment just a few days ago saying that a "Ghost" series would be nice and having the sequel takes place in the Ōnin war would be interesting
Yeah maybe after 4 years from now
But i think there will be a sequel but not now because it's still too earlier
@Squalleon Kennedyheart SJW Supported Alert Spotted!
At this moment, Jin officially became the first ninja
Yep! Though "Ninja of Tsushima" doesn't have the same ring to it. They were probably dubbed ninjas instead of ghosts sometime later
Wow, I never thought of that! If they ever make a sequel to this game, that should be it.
@@icedtease1973 according to an article i read the sequel is already in the works
Arent ninjas chinese though
@@greedgod5827 Nope. They're as Japanese as samurai
"You have no honor."
"And you are a slave to it."
Fuck, that's good dialogue.
I like how satisfying both endings are.
On one hand, if Jin spares his uncle, he still considers him as family, despite having cast aside his honor and knowing his uncle will continue to hunt him for the rest of his days.
On the other, granting him a warrior's death proves to him that Jin still has some degree of honor left, he even refers to him as "my son" one last time before Jin delivers the killing blow, with a smile on his face, promising that they'll meet again in the next life. Either way, Jin has nothing else to lose but his home by the end. That is a great way to set up the sequel.
Imagine jin dying in the sequel man🙁
@@darkninja9499by getting his head bashed in by a muscular woman with a bamboo stick.
Still angry over tlou part 2020 Goty and 93 score on metacritic😂?@@eduardor-o4884
@@eduardor-o4884 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well Jin is a literally a ghost in the sequel now.
Damn this game looks gorgeous.
This game has everything, not your typicall hack and slash game.
Looks boring to me
Looks ugly to me
ek Chumbak looks beautiful
@@Ovun444 developers have really given their best in this game took more than 5 years to make it.
"The wounds you dealt my spirit will never heal." *cries in weeb and honor*
@Unbreakable Patches yeah but even though it is realistic many of the games elements are overdramatised and inaccurate for the sake of players enjoyment.
Minutes?
Keep your Waifus at bay. This is a sacred place, a sanctuary for people who actually respect the culture without denouncing your own. :^)
@@henrydikes6704 but then we'd talk about how unrealistic those are. This game has authenticity in its story, and that shouldn't be doubted because of it's fantastic gameplay.
@@oliveoil5328 as a japanese man, i have a hate boner for weebs. sure, you can respect and embrace the culture, but don't say you're japanese when you're an overweight american! it's so stupid, man.
the virgin viewer: Compare the game with Tlou2
The Chad viewer: This game is beautiful.
Lou is also beautiful. Its shite tho.
Agreed. A corpse should be left well alone...
@christopher salsedo I don't get you man and I say man in a non gender specific way
Tomás Contreras Based
Alex Barčovský just like your breath. Shite
Not gonna lie, I cried at this scene and didn't want to fight Shimura.
same
Same
Same couldn't find it in me to kill him
I killed him with no second thoughts
@@j.krollin1307 oh wow you're such a chad please father my children so they can be as cool as you
I really love this ending, it shows how Jin even though he became a ruthless fighter who taken down the Khan and even saved not only Tsushima but the main island where the Shogun is, he is hunted by the same people who fought for his same cause. Not because he defeated the mongols in a dishonorable way, but because he embraced The Ghost persona who sent a precedent for the common people to follow a different figure and in general threaten the Shogun's leadership, Jin opened his eyes and his mind when he become this figure to protect Tsushima and its people at all costs, when Shimura still puts the honor and his servitude to his superior above everything, even his nephew and the people of the island. Their fight shows how Shimura's blind faith made him try to kill his own family who risked everything to rescue him, and Jin victory and choice of kill or spare equally shows how he loves his uncle nevertheless(Killing him fullfil his desires of dying a honorable death, and Sparing him shows how The Ghost is not the monster the Shogun paint him to be and how Jin won't let himself to see another paternal figure get killed)
“You have no honor”
“And you are a slave to it”
Such a raw line
I must be the only one who uses the Sakai sword and not the others. To me, that’s Jin’s signature weapon and the sword he used canonically throughout the game.
No I did the same thing for the same reason.
At first I used the Hero of Tsushima blade just 'cause the gold looks cool. But after Jin fully became the ghost and was exiled I used the Sakai blade.
@@just1randomguy658 I know it may seem odd to others, but when I play games I tend to use the weapons, outfits etc that the official art has a character wear.
I guess it’s what the devs kinda want you to use.
@@MartialArtsGamer Yeah, I do the same. It might be a small thing but it feels like the little things and details carry the most weight and meaning.
@@MartialArtsGamer man Im glad im not the only one. I do this all the time too. It also makes the cutscenes more authentic and immersive when using the canon weapons, and armor. I do this with Kingdom Hearts by using the Kingdom Key my whole playthrough
I had to honor him at the end, that’s the warrior’s death he deserves.
I would too, but since he's family I wouldn't dare, and also comes the problem who would rule the region after his passing
but you are the ghost no matter what and will be hunted regardless. so there’s no point to killing him.
@@simonh5004 It's because if you don't kill him then the shogun will for his failure.
@@silverquis I don't think Shogun has enough balls to do that. You kill Shimura like that and the whole Japan fucks you.
@@ishraque3601 Shogun is more powerful than Shimura so I doubt that whole Japan would be mad. Even whole Tsushima wouldn't be mad (Yarikawa hated Shimura). Shogun would order him to commit seppukku and would disband his clan. Killing him is a better option.
This battle has much more emotions than Ellie's final fight with Abby.
Damm you are telling the True :(
Yup both Jin and Shimura are good charismatic characters :)
You vs the stranger who killed people you loved.
Or
You vs your loved , your last family member who turns into your enemy.
It's obviously Why this fight is more emotional.
@@greentea1941 Bro, I have seen many fictions who can even make a fight with stranger villain feels more emotional, due to build up and good interactions between the characters. For example, Raiden vs Sam in MGR, Snake vs Ocelot in MGS.
Ellie and Abby only meet each other 3 times in the game and they have literally zero interactions in each meet up. Of course players won't feel anything for their fight.
@@ivanlim3180
I understand all example of you....
so the problem is build up and zero interactions, right?
Are we not gonna talk about this MASTERPIECE of music they composed for this fight. Loud and fast but graceful and smooth as if it mirrors the fight and the emotions of both characters. This game dude. One of the greats.
“You have no honor.”
“And you are a slave to it.”
That line gets me every time. I was ready to go to war.
"You were my son"
That....That Broke me. And it takes a lot to break me! I spared Shimura. I wanted him to have a 2nd chance. But we all know that he would never love any other child the way he loved Jin. He said it himself: "The wounds you dealt my spirit will never heal"
My brain: "Kill him, kill him now."
Me holding the controller: "I shouldn't."
My brain: *"DEW IT!"*
It's not the samurai way!
"I am no longer a samurai,I protect people in the dark,I am the ghost of Tsushima."
"YOU TURNED THEM AGAINST ME"
@@cosmickeyboard9811 you have done that yourself
"you want that white dye don't you?"
It’s pretty crazy how much better you got from the last few boss fights to this one
Take notes naughty dog this is how you make a sympathetic final boss and give a choice to the player to kill or spare them
please dont include ND in this. please dont
Oh look we're still bitching about TLOU2
@Moody Blues yeah you are right tlou2 is lame
@Moody Blues oh I thought you were calling tlou2 lame sorry
@Moody Blues people hate tlou2 due to many many many reasons I can't get into all of them because there are too much
the emotion and the visual cinematic this The GOTY yet.
Unbreakable Patches Hell no
@Unbreakable Patches no
metacritic 83 ✌🏼
@Unbreakable Patches shut the fuck up fanboy
Unbreakable Patches Well to be fair, the graphics was great but the writing.....it’s bullshit
I thought Spider-Man final boss battle was the most emotional thing I've seen now I'm not so sure anymore
Lol yh lol
This one is too emotional
Why not both?
K.T. You just stop so many debates I Deme thee a calm and reasonable person
They give you the option to kill or spare the final boss huh. And this is after TLOU2 lol.
I know right?
don't bring that up, I'm watching an enjoyable game rn.
Sony should have went all in with this than that dumpster fire
@@tundrabanks3647 come on, who doesn't like watching golf
Holyflame tlou is a bad series
"Our final day together, it is beautiful" that line got me good I started tearing up man
I actually teared up when Shimura said that Jin was a fugitive and he had to kill him
The best part about this fight is the music
I've never had more goosebumps in a game, movie or book as I did the moment they walked toward each other and lifted their blades while the music swelled. Amazing
Tear-inducing final boss battle where you reluctantly duel your character's mentor, in the field covered with white petals.
I might have seen this in certain other Japanese game...
Edit: I didn't know Ghost of Tsushima is not Japanese game by origin.
steel cog?
@@RicardoAugustoC
Metal Gear Solid 3.
I gotta google up Steel Cog.
Edit: just thought you may be referring exactly to MGS.
Bloodborne?
@@CringeOpinion
Maybe, I didn't play it (got no PS). I meant Metal Gear Solid 3.
Lord Shimura: Hah!!! That's how my blood boil!!!
*Pulling out the Glocks*
Is he a sword saint too?!?! Damn!! 😂
Face me jinkiro
Cholzé n a spear
"HESITATION IS DEFEAT"
*Lighting spear intensifies*
i love the setting of this fight, The contrast between the red and white leaves is a really nice touch. the music is also really good too
This was beautiful. The final clashing of blades between teacher and student, between "father" and "son". I love final battles like these, where the culmination of everything they've exchanged builds up to the final swipe of the blade.
Day 16: Launch of Ghost of Tsushima
Also Day 16: Final Boss Fight
To me sparing him is the canonical ending. Jin was literally telling Shimura moments before this that he had become a slave to honor. So him killing Shimura honorably literally goes against their entire argument they had with each other the whole game and before the final fight. Jin putting on the ghost mask one last time to his uncles disappointment is literally the perfect ending. The other ending goes against everything the entire game built up in my opinion. To the point where I question why they even bothered to have two different endings to begin with.
It also acts as proof that Jin still has honour and hammers home the implicit message of the game that honour isn't strictly tied to the system of Bushidō, just like the other ending does.
In the sparing ending, Jin fully rejects all of Bushidō and his Uncle's wishes to demonstrate his commitment to breaking away from his Uncle's way of thinking.
In the killing ending, Jin demonstrates that just because he has betrayed the code and gone his own way, that doesn't mean he is without honour.
Both endings showcase that Jin has rejected Bushidō's strict concepts of honour for his own more flexible moral code and act as equally viable endpoints for Jin's metamorphosis.
There are two ways to interpret Jin's actions towards his uncle's request. The first is that Jin completely rejects the code, which leads to him leaving his family behind as a demonstration of his commitment. The second interpretation is that Jin ceremonially cuts ties with the code through one final "honourable" act while also severing his last link. This action ensures that Jin can never go back to the code again.
The kill ending is still more emotional tho as Shimura accepts Jin as his son after everything. In the spare option Shimura will probably still have to commit seppuku and they part ways on a bitter note
The most beautifulest ending to any game I played in years. This game went deep when it hit this part
Last time i cry so much for a game was the ending of MGS3.. Masterpiece
Like me bro😢
Best boss fight, soundtrack & ending(s) in decades. Well done SP.
If lord shimuras tears had sound, it would be the ghast of tsushima.
Him saving his people and country he has honor in my book.
Damn that fight with Lord Shimura was amazing,
you won against him by a stroke of the sword.
8:18
You both all are just one more swing away. it was so intense.
I like the leaves forming a yin yang in white and red. Also you can catch shimura crying. As much as a slave to honor as he is, he still doesn't relish the idea of killing jin
This game needs a sequel. but hopefully it doesn't turn out like the last of us.
Let’s not talk about something that doesn’t exist shall we ?
wow.. just... wow
loafhero damn dude
I mean..... this is the last time where mongols invade Japan at all so is very unlikely we’ll get a sequel but I do hope they can keep this kind of style and make some new games
Genghis Khan but that one they barely even made out to the surface and most mongols were death before the battle due to storm. And it is a huge win for the Japanese since the beginning not like the first time, but I really hope SP can keep this Asian artistic style to make something new. Not many developers do that in the western gaming company.
The uncle was a good man but too obsessed with honour that he couldn't see the good Jin had done. But i spared him because he was the only family Jin had left.
One of the greatest boss fights of all time and one of the most powerful endings of all time
,,Mono no aware"
You made the same haiku as I did. The words just spoke to me, couldn't pick anything else. And i too spared lord shimura. Choosing to kill him would undo all the sacrifices Jin has made.
12/10 game. Really hope we get a sequel.
I just finished new game plus on Lethal (died like a thousand times lol). I also made the same haiku as you, too
Killing him is the better option
Wow that was fast I salute your dedication.
“You have no honor”
“And you are a slave to it”
Damn that is a powerful message
Mine : "hands that shape the world" "a fate neither of us want" "will death redeem us?" This game man...
This is better than many movies, the animation and voice-over is masterful
Akira Kurosawa was the inspiration behind this game. He'd be proud!
The true difficulty in this moment was fighting through the tears
“I've been through a lot in the past few years. And it's been hard, but I'm realizing that I had to go through all those things to learn the truth. I thought I had lost my honor, and that somehow my father could return it to me. But I know now that no one can give you your honor. It's something you earn for yourself by choosing to do what's right. All I want now is to play my part in ending this war.”
A great fire bender once said those words. These two should learn from them.
Ghost of tsushima 2 : mythic tale "learn the Ghost stance of the famous Jin Sakai"
Mythic tale "obtain the Ghost armor of legend"
If we don't play Jin in the second game I'm going to be sad.. "If it's not Jin, I'm not playin"
@@shydreameress264it’s not jinn D: but it’s still going to be goiid
This final battle was nothing short of high art. The fight with Khotun Khan, and the Khan's stereotypical "big bad guy" character in general, felt relatively weak, but this last battle makes it clear that the story was never about just "fighting the Mongols". The build up, the haiku, and the choice at the end was especially difficult; you either do the honorable thing and kill the man who has only ever loved you like a son, or let him live but dishonor him forever. Story and build up, it is easily one of the best and most heartbreaking that I've ever played. Masterpiece of writing and animation.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE DO A CASE STUDY ON THIS, NAUGHTY DOG. MIGHT HELP.
you're wack the khan was a great villain.
RUclips: "that's a really nice bit of storytelling you've got there. It would be a shame if someone were to put several ads in the middle of it."
remember when Shimura said don't let your emotion control you ?
here Lord Shimura can't control his emotion he was too weak in the fight as the last boss because he can't do it you can hear it in his voice and words "it's my punishment" and he also cries which shows how he emotionally went ...
That's why i like Shimura and i felt that he was my family and he was real ...
Note : I played the whole game in hard mode and Shimura was very weak compared to other duels
Hassan Az I played the game in normal and shimura was the boss that killed me the most times all the others were easy
Shimura was honestly pretty easy compared to Khan, Ryuzo and the other bosses. But I think it makes the fight more impactful, how you're forced to win against him.
Jin and Lord Shimura are such well written characters. Both are forced to choose between what is honourable or necessary, each an impossible choice given the circumstances.
As someone who has an irreconcilable relationship with his father, this final battle hit me right in the feels. Well played Sucker Punch.
Bursted out in tears during this fight.
that ending remind me of Samurai Jack walking away like a badass
Never played the game but man does this fight seem amazing! They showed no hatred towards each other, only sadness and regret that their paths must cross like this.
And they still walk away still calling each other family.
"You have no honor."
"And you are a slave to it!"
"You were my son."
Why do you have to do this to me, game? That cut deeper than any wound Jin gave out.
Also my favorite detail is that Jin shows primarily stoicism, very few emotions, how you'd expect a samurai to be. Shimura let out his emotions more than a few times throughout the story, unable to hide the pain of having to oppose someone he raised as his own son.
I have to agree with Jin's uncle on this one: using poison was THE WORST tactical mistake he ever made. The Khan learned how to make it and used against his people
I always thought that the character models, especially on the faces could have been better, but for some reason in this scene it's terrific. It's like they saved the best for last lol
Now this, this is in top 10 anime betrayals.
Now that I think about it you’re right!
Damn that emotional ending 👌🏾💥. Naughty dog take note actual note with pen n paper🤨
it's an ongoing debate on "Kill" or "Spare", my take on it is that "Spare" is more in character with Jin at the end of the game, like finally embracing his own code instead of the samurai code. there's a lot of comments that it may just result to Shimura committing seppuku later anyway, and that may be the case yes, but Jin decides not to take any part in it. he is just done with it by the end of the game...
Well in game Yuna says he doesn’t do that and in the end Jin writes him letters so it’s implied he lives, especially since he’s needed to train the new Samurai for the Shogun.
I killed him out of respect than honor. Its what Shimura wanted in this last fight if he lost and I feel its what he deserves in end after living so dilgently
I cried literally, screaming "no more", "that is enough", I can understand what pain they are going through Between family and Duty, Between Honour and righteousness
And Between Law and freewill
I love the detail of where Jin is wearing ronin armour foreshadowing that he is no longer apart of a samurai clan
God they knocked it out the freaking park with this game. The atmosphere, the voice acting, the gameplay, the characters. This game is pretty much perfect.
Not perfect.
"You have no honor." "And you are a slave to it"
Honestly, it would be hurt as hell if Joel and Ellie have to fight each other like this.
Yeah. Here's hoping The Last Of Us 2 hits this hard. Whenever it's coming out.
@@williambeck2372 let's hope it's not a shitty revenge story naughty dog would never do that
@@zenituragaming5043 I'm still waiting for tlou2 to come out.
People really missed the point of the ending it's not about Jin still following honor it's about a last meeting between father and son and granting his final wish to him. He still fully embraces the ghost. He still we be hunted for the rest of his days. But killing shimura was being jin himself one last time, to his Say goodbye to his father and not to dishonor him like he dishonored himself.
Thanks Sony for giving us this kind Masterpiece and love the games that ps exclusive they are all very good games with beautiful story lines. This game is my second best story based game after God of war
This game is going to be Goated, I'm calling it now
Definitely 10/10. I hope they make a new one
@@goatednathan319 If it goes swell then a new one could be made
Here before it is more popular 😔👏🏽
I don't care if it won't. It is already GOTY to me.
Sanek94cool ME TOOOO
The decision to give the player the option to kill or spare instead of just having one locked ending was absolute genius.
With a heavy heart, I granted Shimura his honorable way to die as a Samurai!
I actually like the ending better where you honor his wish and kill him. I convinced myself that he was already going to die of blood loss and would probably commit seppuku if I didn’t kill him. That ending is extremely emotional and sad, but also beautiful.
“Defeated by my own son? The sensation is not entirely unpleasant...”
10:05 that's a cool Coronavirus mask👌🏻👌🏻
when i saw your comment i laugh so hard XD
videogame voice actors deserve recognition, because those guys nailed it