How RAF pilots train to SPIN in a Hawk T1 (MSFS)
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- REAL Fast Jet instructor demos what it takes to spin in the BAE Systems Hawk T1 using Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. Meant solely for information, not for real world use.
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A masterclass, thank you. I spent 5 years in Hawk Projects at Warton (60, 100 and 200 series aircraft), always wanted a back seater but it wasn't to be. These are the next best thing! I remember Flight Ops doing spin trioals in the Jaguar, watching the film of it turning base over apex with flames coming out of the intakes was something else.
Yikes, flames out of the intakes! 😳 And thanks 🙏🏻
Super interesting! Good stuff mate
Cheers 🍻
Top notch again Chris! Awesome video as always!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Niiice! Funny how those drills stay with you many many years later!
@@diggiedog548 well, for the most part, may have researched some of the hawk specific checks in the available documents! 😁
Cheers Chris, another good vid. I've spun the CAP 10C, C150 aerobat, but the scariest has to be the R2112 which spins very quickly once developed. My instructor, ex RAF, insisted on parachutes and pre entry brief was the abandon aircraft drills. Went in at 7000, and if we hadn't recovered by 3000 out we go to meet in the nearest pub!!!
The Tucano spun like a bronco sometimes! Was always fun to provide the instructional patter while we were hurtling towards the ground! 😂
I honestly prefer the way the Tucano spins to how the C150 aerobat spins - it was very nose down, I hated teaching spinning in it!
Crikey that’s a lot to remember for one manoeuvre! I was thinking the MEIR was a bad enough example of a shed load to remember but fast jet is on another level!
Took a while to get the muscle memory and habit patterns. Just have to think a few miles further ahead of the aircraft 😄
Thanks Chris
Excellent as always
Many thanks 🙏🏻
Excellent video! Thanks for this ❤️
My pleasure!
Excellent video Chris. The JF Hawk V2 is something else! I've learnt a great deal from your videos on low level fast jet navigation. With FS24 now the visual aspect is even better. Keep up the great work 😁👍
Thanks, appreciate it! It really is a good model.
My Lord. As part of my PPL I asked to do a spin. We went to 6000 feet in a 152. I cacked my pants but credit to my instructor because I’m not sure that spins were in before the solo. But we survived. I learned a lot from him.
I did PPL in a 152 but not the Aerobat. Think I wouldn’t be comfortable doing it without a parachute backup!
Love your videos mate! What was your favourite aircraft to fly in the RAF?
Thanks! Appreciate it. Don’t tell anyone but I really enjoyed the Shorts Tucano 😂 Simple, fast enough, full aerobatic - perfect! But I couldn’t really say any were a favourite as they all had amazing abilities.
@cgaviator awesome😁
Love this real experience content.
@ thanks 🙏🏻
Nice
Thanks 🙏🏻
Amazing, love this. Geeky nerdy question here, I had a look at AP3456 Vol 1 that full on deep dives into the subject but I’m guessing that depth isn’t required by pilots in training, more instructor in depth theory.
Am I correct in thinking this?
AP3456 would be a useful source for an A2 instructor. And the phase brief for trainees would cover it in sufficient detail. A/B ratios and all that… good times! 😄
@ going full nerd as I enjoy the odd deep dive into things, (ex Apache tech with a wee bit of private flying experience)
Hi there, have you ever fired a sidewinder live? Do you actually hear a whoosh room the motor? Thanks
@@Malc2169 I’ve fired a brimstone and I want to say yes, it’s audible! It was a while back.
Nice. Is that kind of pause, bob, rotate when developed realistic? When I've spun its always settled into something more consistent, but much lighter and straight wing aircraft. Or maybe I'm expecting too much of the modelling.
it was a while ago now and i spun much more in the Tucano. Now the Tucano really mixed it up with the spin. In the hawk you can get some variance in the spin if there's some unintentional aileron input.
I was going to ask a similar question - this seems quite gentle compared with some types I’ve had the pleasure of spinning. Though I’ve never spun a jet, or swept wing, so may well be a difference in dynamics. 🤷🏼♂️
Superb! Special request for RAF Instrument and Navigation 'Bag' training typical route, and procedures? Surely You don't actually take off and land? Many Thanks!
Yeah, absolutely used to land it during instrument training. No bags in the RAF though I did teach the bag on T38C!
Very cool. Have to try this. As a former Instructor on the Hawk, can you confirm that the yaw-behaviour is correct with this module?
I flew this as a student, I actually instructed on Tucano and T38C! Can’t quite remember though I think it should be smoother. Couldn’t find a reference video online before hand.
I have only ever spun light aircraft where the spin in much smoother and at a steady rate
Does the hawk spin as it does in this video where it looks like it slows down and almost recovers and then starts again? If so is that because of the swept wing ?
I can’t quite remember but if ailerons aren’t perfectly neutral than it could be a funky spin. Tucano could buck like a bronco!
Indeed very useful video! Thank you so much. I did several spins clockwise and anticlockwise. It is very easy to do AND recover. I went to Djibouti so that I could recover much lower. 😱😱
What happens in Djibouti stays in Djibouti... What about inverted spins in the T1? Are they possible?
lol! Intentional inverted spinning in T1 is prohibited. The aerodynamic forces push the controls pro spin so it’s harder to recover.
@@cgaviator Yes, I thought so. Thank you for confirming. So, guess what I am going to try now... Yep, be afraid. Be very afraid! 😱😱 😈😈 There is only one way to find out.
Nice. I always imagined that spins would be more violent. This looks like fun.... until you realise you don't know how to recover.
@@aengberg1 in the T1 the manual suggests that you can simply release the controls and it’ll recover though this is not the recommended technique! 😂 In this example you’d certainly get throw around a bit!
@cgaviator what is your opinion of the flight models in MSFS compared to DCS? Which are better and more realistic?
Haven’t used DCS for a while. But if I had to decide from memory I’d say the DCS modules are better for the most part. That said, some prop versions do feel a tad sluggish but I have no experience with the types.
@@cgaviator Thank you, I appreciate your honesty
Oh my lord, did we just spin over a nuclear power station?😂
Naaaaah!
Nice video Chris! Slightly different procedure for us in the Tutor with HAS(E)LL checks, cool to see what you get up to on Hawk. Also, no Lookout turn?🫣 Love the video!
I went over the manual the E is engine if I remember correctly? That’s covered by checked TGT. I was looking out the whole time so it counts! 😜
@@cgaviatorAhh that makes sense, the engine check is done during the spin for Hawk. I really like your Real Life application videos, good to get the insights from your time in the RAF. I've started making some DCS videos, would be cool to see you do some LL Nav in sometime like the F-5 and compare DCS and MSFS
it's more looks like high alpha roll:) would be cool if there possible to make normal spin, and after that pull nose some up and ailerons opposite dir of spin for make it flat. if aircraft not become to heli autorotation blades it's not fun:)
Lo, jets don't really flat spin unless it's an F14/Top Gun! If they did you'd be looking at a flameout or engine surge if you recover. There's a bit of yaw in there, swept wing spins are usually about 60 nose down.
Why don't they do the spin test over the sea, then if you punch out the plane goes splash no harm done ??
Can do that, though issues are, sometimes you’re not next to the sea and if the sea is calm and not enough clouds, the monochromatic surface can cause issues.
Alternative tiltle: How To SPIN In a Hawk Tuuan By a Real Pilot
Also it would be nice to see a video about how to recover from flat spin by real pilot.
@@kada5643 lol, I’m not sure I get the tuuan reference! 😅 flat spins aren’t trained for in the RAF as far as I know. I’ll have a play on the heatblur f14 for MSFS when it’s 2024 compatible! 👍🏻
hawk tuah
I’ve heard that a lot! 😂
@@cgaviator - So did I before I got married
Why do they do these spins?
Several reasons.
In the military, one is potentially going to be flying aircraft much closer to their performance limits, and so the possibility of inadvertently spinning is that much greater than in civilian aviation. I’d suggest it’s a good idea to know how to recover!
Also gives one much greater confidence in operating an aircraft, knowing that you can recover from what is one of the more extreme situations you might find yourself in.
Spinning has been removed from the civilian syllabus for many years. But I was always keen to teach my students spinning for the confidence reasons above. Too many PPL level flyers let the aircraft lead them, rather than the other way around. Spinning, along with Aeros, really does get people flying the aircraft rather than following it; I’m a huge believer that every pilot should at least complete a basic Aeros course - sadly, most don’t bother, with many treating flying an aircraft as they do driving a car - thumb in bum, and mind in neutral!
Yeah… what he said! 😂