Ain't no way the Military just goes in a building and lose like 6 more units from a bunch of dumb, slow moving walkers in under a minute. I don't believe that in an actual scenario, a bunch of highly trained Military troops would lose to a bunch of walkers
The only thing dumber is that the army, with weapons of mass destruction, napalm bombs, tanks and armored vehicles, was able to lose with slow and rotting corpses. and the fact that zombies that decompose and have bad teeth can easily bite through thick tissue
@@mohammadsabir7600 Even with that many walkers, they shouldn't be able to easily get to those soldiers because of their speed, and the soldiers should have great aim and more importantly, awareness of their surroundings.
@@TyrantSupremoDarkthink of rain or snow, very weak, a tent does fine but it just keeps coming. In the comics they also broke down, I mean why stay in your job if they clearly suck at keeping you alive and society is collapsing? They know how to fight other soldiers, not hordes of cheaply replaceable headshot only robots
Soldiers are mainly trained to shoot for centre mass, most are not elite marksmen. Zombies can only be killed by headshots or crushing the brain, so firing shots off in to its chest wont do anything. Second big problem, unlike most zombies in the main walking dead series, these people are freshly turned. Meaning they still have (depending on how badly mauled there were prior to death) all their muscle mass. Fresh zombies use 100% of human physical potential regardless of the self inflicted damage it does to itself. Yes, human teeth can tear through flesh and clothing the main thing which stops us from doing the same is our own emotional hesitation and our body/brain limiting our physical potential, as if we use 100% you will seriously hurt yourself. For zombies there is zero hesitation and those walking corpses do not care about breaking their own bodies just to get at you. Also forgetting two Human flaws which the dead do not have, the fear of being eaten alive & self preservation.
@@exe9790Reducción de movimientos por el peso extra de equipamiento innecesario y la inexperiencia de miembros recientes y mala coordinación puede provocar la muerte de todo el equipo si un miembro de este no es eficaz, aunque aun asi con todo eso en contra, morirán 2 o 1 y esos serian los novatos, aunque depende si es que los ponen adelante lo cual no es común, o los pusieron en la retaguardia, donde creo que no seria muy efectivo, o mejor en el medio donde seria más eficaz el cuidado de los novatos aunque solo vi uno con cara de no saber nada aparte de solo seguir las ordenes, aunque como no vimos la escena al detalle, no sabemos cuantos zombies eran o como actuaron los soldados al verlos y dispararon sin pensar al torso y no a la cabeza o si hubo fuego amigo, muchas variables para que todo salga mal, la guerra urbana es muy mortal por la cercanía con el enemigo, pero si tuvieran una pizca de sentido común hubieran salido para formar una línea de retirada mientras se cubrían uno por uno la retirada, y formar una línea de fuego, o solo retirarse ya que ese sitio estaba plagado de zombies y para que gastar balas innecesarias, así que pudieron aver creado protocolos para estos casos donde los soldados no hayan enfrentado anteriormente a zombies o haya algún fallo en en su actuar.
Well one thing about the TWD that is consistent is how inconsistent the zombies are first few episodes had them running, jumping fences and trying to use door handles. Maybe they ran into a random group of amped up zombies...i guess.....
@@alphaisdank42069l4d, wwz, 28 days/weeks later, tlof, makes sense. A new virus that infects in seconds can overrun multiple parts of the globe. With twd... it's just pretty dumb...
Its not incompetence, its fear and being swarmed by dozens of undead cannibals whose only motivation is to tear you apart slowly while your still alive. Also, remember only clean headshots work. Not every single soldier is a Hollywood commando type expert marksmen, capable of pulling off perfect headshots under pressure. Only think you might also be forgetting is the zombies in that building are recently turned meaning they have all their muscle mass still intact (based on the wounds they suffered before death) Until living Humans, fresh zombies use 100% of Human physical strength, with zero hesitation or concern about the damage they do to themselves in the process. You are at a serious disadvantage if you end up in hand to hand combat with a fresh zombie.
Zombie lore is universally reliant on the militaries worldwide being woefully incompetent to work as stories. Which is why they’re always “beaten” off screen.
I feel like the government would struggle at first since the police aren't supposed to just open fire on the people with life threatening injuries walking towards them but once the government figures out that it is zombies and becomes aware of how the zombie virus spreads they would be really good at dealing with zombies. Imagine what even a single artillery piece could do to a slow moving hoard.
@@catpratt4246 And let's not forget this is Los Angeles; between the LAPD and the criminal underworld, there is enough firepower to take care of slow-walking zombies, or at least hold them off long enough for the National Guard or Regular Army/Marines to show up
@@sosaboi1352 Was partly unrealistic though. They were partly written to be artificially incompetent and I saw some criticism on the author not understanding military weaponry well enough. Even major ordinance would've turned zombie hordes into mush given the major force upon impact plus shrapnel raining into every direction including their heads. It's essentially the same forcefully written plot device of "military / government response incompetent".
Shout out on how the military in WWZ (Novel) learned to adapt very very quickly against the Zeke. These guys are probably shooting with one hand on the trigger and one hand on the radio button.
in all movies,games,comics and novels i watched,played or read. Wwz novel is something so different. This probably has the best world-building in all zombie works
No, they didn't... it took them years to adapt to the point they could get the logistics in place to retake the eastern half of the US. There are some contradictions here and there, such as them succeeding in clearing out parts of the West Coast, and the "Alpha Teams" that aren't very well explained, but overall it takes the military a while before they "adapt". World War Z is a pretty good novel overall, but the research regarding the US military was probably one of the worst-researched parts of the novel and it's infuriating going back and reading how artillery and concussive force of bombs are against the zombies but a bat or axe works just fine... because I guess getting hit with a bat or axe is more powerful than the blast of a bomb (and before you mention, I *know* Todd handwaves it with the "no snt effect" line, but if it doesn't work with bombs or artillery then it shouldn't work for melee weapons either).
@@datnoob4394 Not exactly. It took the thin part of the club, as that "bent around it". The Japanese Otaku is noted to have found a katana that worked "just fine", and the blind old man arc he's using a normal stick to end the zombies that bother him. Then there's the line from the lady who "ripped its head off" regarding a zombie that grabbed her daughter, and the mercenary character who makes a point that they use melee weapons because you "feel good" with those, and you have to wonder why the shockwave of thermal explosions does nothing, the pressure at the bottom of the sea floor does nothing, but a regular bat does.
@@dfmrcv862 I guess it's upsetting because it's not explained but it is acknowledges that the zombies don't always make sense. Like them coming back from being frozen aswell
The unit shown in the video are members of the California Army National Guard, 79th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (I can tell by the patch on his shoulder at 0:39). over 20% of this Brigade has deployed to Afghanistan prior to the events of the walking dead timeline, most of which were infantry and MPs and shown here. That being said, there is quite literally no reason for them to be THIS incompetent, especially given all of their combat experience, some of the guys in this video even had a deployment patch on their right sleeve indicating they've actually been down the wire.
Their CO is Lt. Moyers and he was probably part of this 20% since during "Cobalt", when his men prepare to assault the library, he states that he's "been places where they shoot back", implying that he's seen active combat.
There’s no way the military or even the National Guard would’ve messed up this badly in an actual confrontation. Even if there were too many to handle they would’ve just immediately left the facility.
The show explained it was mostly young kids with little experience, many having barely slept in days just protecting their safe-zones and patrolling. Couple that with a highly unnerving situation and dozens of hostile combatants that never stop charging and don’t die easily, and it’s plausible for them to lose like this every now and then. They said most of the actual soldiers were protecting air force bases.
@@IanB3rry 1) I can forgive the "it's young kids with no experience" argument because the show takes place in 2010 and most of our guys would be in Afghanistan and Iraq... *that said...* even these newbies would be drilled like crazy. The US military is the most capable fighting force on earth, to the point when *one* guy breaches that conduct it's huge news... so inexperience doesn't automatically translate into losses. 2) TWD is just... badly written overall when it comes to stuff like this. The submarine webisode is a major example of how bad it is to this regard, as well as the more recent "Ones who Live" series that has the CRM just... kinda... ignoring the fact they can technically get rid of the super herds because we saw the Commonwealth do it using fire bombs... but then that contradicts how in Atlanta they used napalm to almost no effect... Yeah, it's mainly bad writing.
@@coochieman7887 Oh, yeah, the country that can't even afford a tank fleet has higher quality troops than the US. Let me guess, you read that *one* training exercise that had the UK's troops win against US troops and forgot about everything else?
@@coochieman7887that’s subjective. What’s not is that US infantry units spend more time training and are allocated more funds and resources to do so than any other military in the world
All Of Us Are Dead stomps this show when it comes to showing how the military can actually deal with zombies and in that show, the zombies could even run...
I think how the breakout begin also contributed in how the military will fight. All of us are dead begin with bite only virus and begin in one town only, so the military can react fast. Most of zombie apocalyptic setting stated either the virus spread fast at beginning or it start at many place at the same time.
Let's be real though, given how fast the virus spreads in "All of us are dead", the military response and containment was almost OP. Remember they can run and make people turn relatively fast. There was no prior warning and it broke out in two major locations, a school and hospital. If this happened in any western average place I can tell you by the time people realize it and start to act collectively it wouldve spread across and beyond a whole city, methinks, yet in SK they were able to contain it to districts. That's almost too competent :D I get many shows show an underwhelming incompetent military response. But given that in "AOUAD" they can turn people fast and run, it would spread like a wildfire initially, with police being unable to contain it much and the military needing time to react. Especially in a metro area. Unless South Korea is just somehow better at this, we'd be fucked if this happened in Central Europe or so. Or at least a bigger area would be affected until all people got the memo to stay inside and let cleanup and containment teams handle it.
Remember when we all thought Fear the Walking Dead was gonna be this prequel anthology style series where we would see just how the world fell to the walkers? Instead it just became a Walking Dead clone.
this, this. exactly fucking this. god its so underwhelming. i gave up on it when the white blond old chic keeps patting troy on the head after he got his ENTIRE FUCKING COMPOUND killed
I literally only watched like half of the first season only cus the whole appeal to it for me was to see the beginning of the outbreak. This should've been the show that literally explained HOW the outbreak started too, I can understand Rick and his gang not knowing the details cus theyre just a bunch of random nobodies that just got lucky to survive and gained skills to live, but they could've made the main cast be scientists or high government workers that are getting to the bottom of it and trying keep everything civilized (and obviously fail doing so). Instead, like you said, we got a Walking Dead clone just with a gang of different characters so I stopped watching it. Also the no 1st world country's military would lose to slow zombies, I can believe some battles being lost and it could take a while, but there would 100% be military safe zones perfectly fine. Hell in the Walking Dead, barely secured safe zones exist with just a few guards and makeshift walls with the majority of the population a zombie but you're telling me the US military couldn't keep at least one area safe with all the equipment and training they have against slow moving zombies? This is why imo I like The Last of Us better as a zombie and post apocalyptic show/game cus the military IS still there (just no government officials to direct them so they became corrupt) and they're basically in charge of most of the survivors still save for a few random settlements.
So much zombie media really fumbles showing how the military would deal regular zombies. Makes no sense that they'd suffer any losses at all, literally just don't get bit by the people walking towards you. I like the idea of Project Zomboid zombies where 80 to 90% of zombies were infected by an airborn infection that killed and reanimated them, makes way more sense
In this show anyone who dies regardless of how they die becomes a walker. Now, they could present problems in closed spaces but out in the open where most of the fighting appears to happen it shouldn't be as big of an issue unless people just start to commit mass suicide.
@@drpompo True, however, if I remember correctly there was some attempt at explaining it with mass suicides because people were convinced it was the end of the world. Also, a lot of people die every day so if they happened to be infected when they died they would have come back as walkers too. Even then, I don't think it would be enough to cause the world governments to collapse like they did. Perhaps if it happened at night but that would only cause an initial surge that would be quelled once people could see more clearly in the daylight. If they were runners it might be a different story though as they would be far more difficult to hit.
The initial shock and reality check I could see taking a lot of lives, but with how these zombies are, it wouldn't last long. Take Night of the Walking Dead. Same zombies, yet in the end, you have military and armed civilians overcoming the threat.
@@SGTKILL995 90% the original (I'm not OP, but he mentioned Dawn of the Dead after the main comment's OP mentioned "Night of the Living Dead", which was made in the 60s-70s-something.)
More zombies then bullets probably. That seemed to be the issue in WWZ in New York. They hammered them with everything they had but they'd just keep coming.
@@49mozzerthey just walked into the building 20 seconds ago, unless they’re firing full auto at every zombie they should have enough ammo on them to drop a few hundred relatively easily
@@JakobWasTaken__ If they are aiming for the head then yeah but they aren't trained to do that an they probably aren't aware of the fact that that's the only way to kill a walker so odds are they're going for centre mass an likely only realize that isn't working about a magazine in. Also they likely wouldn't hear more of them coming up behind them over the sounds of battle an I doubt they'd have someone watching the rear when they have a horde bearing down on them
@@49mozzer they should have someone watching the rear and had this been day one of the apocalypse sure i could say they didn’t know but by now they had figured out only headshots work I believe. Also how many bullets do you put center mass without hitting the spinal cord and dropping them? Or realizing it didn’t work and go for the head.
it’s a shame really honestly the military in S1 of TWD did like 10x better then every other depiction of the military since and that says A LOT given the most we saw them do is open fire on people in the hospital. people don’t give franks depiction of the military in S1 enough credit. they were doing amazingly better then these guys and were probably still even operational given the hueys seen flying about. it’s a shame he got replaced by a dude who knows nothing about the military and basically said it was a small contingent of national guardsmen who had a huey (that mind you somehow couldn’t fight off like 4 civilians who would have no proper training with firearms.)
@@Gabriel-ki7uj good point, though they performed massively better then every other incarnation of them thus far which is hilarious. they had proper MOPP equipment (either mopp 3 or mopp 4) and knew that you had to shoot people in the brain to prevent re-animation (which they did, going through and shooting the hospital staff in the head.)
tbf it's lazy writing. I get that in a long-term apocalypse scenario you kinda need authorities to fail but it could've been done or displayed better and more believable than applying "red shirt TV tropes" onto troops who by then should've figured out how to fight them effectively.
I keep seeing people talking about how the military went braindead in this series. And while true, i gotta point something else out, as someone who spent multiple years in ROTC, there is absolutely NO WAY Zombies are biting through BDUs (Battle Dress Uniforms) those things are pretty tough. So even if they were over run i have a hard time believing they were eaten. Yes things bring me to another point, in at least 2 instances we’ve seen zombies eat horses, this is basically impossible, the hide of horses wouldn’t be penetrated by human teeth.
One of the downfalls of The Walking Dead shows was the utter stupidity required for those events to happen. Like NOT telling First Responders & the Military everything that was already known about those "Walkers" and how to prevent & stop them (head shots). And the total incompetence of those First Responders & Military just amplifies that.
The only zombie apocalypse scenario that is even remotely believable to break out is WWZ, never understood how slow rotting corpse are able to take out a large organized military presence
Anyone remember Night of the Living Dead when the outbreak lasted no more than about a week and the whole thing was under control but just groups of dudes with guns?
ah yes, i remember there was a scene here where the zoms tryna get inside a military compound and the bullets that are being fired cant get through the zombies cuz of the fence
@matthewserrano4048 Yep - and the Soldiers also didnt used their 50cal MGs (from the Humvees) & they also didnt used their Grenades. Those Combo would shreed a Mob of Walkers (maybe it wont kill them - but it would destroy their Legs or Body. So at the End : You just need to move in, and give everything which still move a Headshot) 😉
The authorities losing control to TWD slowass walkers is nonsense. The only way a world descends into chaos is if the zombies are WWZ or 28 Days Later type of fast zombies, or if the virus is airborne.
The Soldiers probably killed their own. There is no way they lose to a group of infected unless the run out of ammo. Standard issue is 120 rounds. Once headshots are found to be effective it would be a flash priority message. The fact that no one stayed on the big guns in the trucks means they have probably been out for a while and some were done with the mission. As the man said he was heading to San Diego.
The reason the military fails is because there is no concept of a zombie in the TWD universe. They don't know what they're facing and they don't know that zombies fall with headshots and crushed brains, They think walkers are sick or possessed people because there is no reference to zombies in that universe, no movies, no literature, no video games, that's why they call them walkers, biters and roamers, and not zombies. It took weeks for people to realize how to get rid of the walkers. Currently, in the event that there is a zombie apocalyptic, the military and the people will already know how to rid them because they were taught by movies and video games.
That doesn’t explain anything in the slightest. Even if the military weren’t aware of the concept of zombies, they would be aware of the fact they’re slow walking and possess no weaponry, so don’t get close. And if they get too close for comfort you shoot.
World War Z gives a better reason to why the military failed. They failed because every military thought that the zombies were just traditional enemies that they could win against with conventional tactics. Thus why disasters such as the "Battle of Yonker" happened with all the pointless spending of resources and the total breakdown of social order that followed after such heavy losses as it was broadcast live. But it is quite foolish for any post-apocalyptic show to assume that the government and every of it's assets would totally be gone in a few short months just like that.
Actually what happened is that the soldiers fragged their own CO (don't remember his name or rank but he was arrogant, tyrannical, violent and dumb), probably so they could just desert.
i love those tropes in media after 6-7 shots in the body they would aim for the head - not because of obvious zombies but because target might both be on tons of drugs and have body armor that would led to information about shooting in the head spreading within first 10-12 minutes outcome: army has everything under control - they evacuate on purpose leaving people the same with police if suspect is approaching they magdump in the chest one reason is because they use 9mm like jackasses second reason because junkies on all kinds of drugs can take 15 rounds in the chest and still run leading to much slower but successful spread of shooting in the head information
Im like real old,on a good day i could not catch up to my 5 and 6 yr old grandsons. I would like to think im faster then a walker. Doest seem right a grown ass solider with a weapon could not get away from a POS zombie
The problem I have with slow zombies (walkers/shamblers) movies like the walking dead, is that the army just need to align 3 tanks per large streets, make lots of noise to attract them and just roll over everything into meat paste.
In FTWD, the first season was only a few days in. Although the military aren’t incompetent, I am sure they would not know what “Walkers” are if they’ve never heard of zombies (as said in this universe). They do not know to shoot Walkers in the head right now.
My two favorite Zombie Series are Netflix's TWD and Black Summer, I like TWD because of the Human characters (Rick, Daryl, Carol, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, Negan and Michonne), and I love Black Summer because of the Zombies, a problem that both Series have, is that what one gets right, the other gets wrong.
I don't understand how anyone can take this series seriously, in what world can it be that half a group of soldiers die in an instant, it's really stupid
If a squad is pinned in the library, say the rear office or staff facilities room. Every walker insideis occupied into breaching that room. So none would notice 8 NG enter behind, would they? So how do the troops get ambushed or involved in close quarters? The POV should have been the squad inside and we watch the troops enter, they start clearing out, then suddenly a barricaded door near the entrance breaks open, an opportunity is taken to kill the CO, the troops split up and take different directions, you see the above scene where the 3 leave but should still hear shooting and yelling on the radio, realising these guys are going awol the dude reluctantly goes with them before the other soldiers finish clearing the building and realise. That would be more logical at least and still provide the same narrative
I feel like in a real world scenario you would have a better battle plan and use suppresors or something to kill the gun noise a bit amongst other things
Back when watching TWD when they come across the giant quarry full of trapped walkers I was like “why not just toss a few Molotov cocktails in there? Big fire, walkers burn up, more see smoke and come walking in, just manage it.” The other part that killed it was how long does body or brain remain viable after death? At some point, I’d think a couple weeks, the brain rot would put down a walker
Military lost against slow moving zombies? I can understand '28 Days Later' zombies. Or World War Z zombies. Or even Last of Us mushroom zombies. But these slow moving dummies? GTFOH.
People insult the soldiers, but i laugh at how walkers decide to garrison buildings, hold territory, and spread out in even enough numbers without entering military zones, only to mobilise when the plot requires so...
Former commo sergeant here… I lost interest when the RT-1523D were shown… most units had F model by 2010. RT1523E and newer models are about 1/2 the width and fewer knobs. Display & keypad was a big enhancement beyond capability enhancement Icing on the cake was that the antenna ports weren’t connected. So those radios wouldn’t receive anything.
This entire comment section misunderstands the scene; I'm guessing no one here actually watched the show. These guys were unfit for duty as they were vastly overworked, underslept, and shaken because they recently lost one of their own in a previous mission. Their squad leader even attempted to warn Lt. Moyers about this. Speaking of Moyers, fun little detail about what actually happened. This scene was a mutiny; they purposefully fragged Moyers in the library because they'd had enough of his shit. This was confirmed by Dave Erickson, the original showrunner for FTWD. Unfortunately, due to reasons stated above, everything went wrong and more people than just Moyers ended up dying.
You must not have ever spent more than a couple of nights without sleep if you can oversimplify the result of many days worth of stressing, nonstop work coupled with a traumatic experience as "being tired." There's a reason their squad leader didn't want them on the field. Remember that walkers need headshots to kill and the world doesn't work like a FPS game. It's funny that you mention deaf, because frag grenades do make a hell of a lot of noise and that one was set off in a very tight space to kill Moyers. That very well could have temporarily impaired their hearing. But even if that grenade and the whole mutiny didn't factor in at all, disaster was likely to strike given the poor physical and mental condition they were in.
Research on what? If the military were effective and accurate to the real world this problem would be dealt with and you wouldn't have a show. Not everything needs to be some autistically detailed neurotic military suck job.
Okay what!?? Did a bunch of highly trained well equipped soldiers Lost to a bunch of slow moving, stupid walkers like bro what!? 5.56 can do some damage to a human, a bunch of zombies aren't going to compare to one of the most powerful military in the world
What they should have done was make contact with lost squad. From there create a lot of noise outside to draw them out. With a bottle neck entrance they could pick them off and if it became too many. They're right next to their vehicles to escape. Hopefully that would draw enough of them away from the lost squad to help them make their exit from the building.
Alot of people in these comments seem to forget that the idea of the undead doesnt exist in TWDU, as in no movies or stories about them were ever created. This being said thats why the military had no idea how to actually fight the walkers.
The entire thing doesn't even makes sense. How could walkers even overpowered the entire modern US military which easily have more than enough firepower to level the entire planet a hundred times over and then some. Also something like concrete and reinforced steel walls appearantly don't exist in the universe of TWD because any sizable population could have easily banded together a built fortress settlements or city states and live like normal while keeping any horde of walkers out.
Never saw anyone use three round burst during a real firefight. It's too inaccurate and the gear mechanism will make it only shoot 1 or 2 rounds sometimes the first burst, making it really really iffy to use. That's how you tell that no one in Hollywood ever asks real combat vets what actually goes on in a fight.
Although unrealistic you could argue that these soldiers are dealing with an unheard of threat. They have no idea what these things are and are probably scared as shit because they’ve most definitely seen these things tear into their brothers and civilians. Nerves are high and all it takes is one fuck up and things go tits up.
90% of the comment section about CQC experts complaining about the accuracy of the military, do you even know how CQC in closed environments even work? Do you even know that in closed environments its not better not use the ACOG on your rifle but the rear sights? Complete ignorants, these soldiers are Guardsmen and in the shows its shown that they were just teens, literal kids most of them, they're a reserve force that is mostly stationed as civilians waiting to be put to duty, they get training monthly so why should most of them have more experience or fear control than regulars? What probably happened here is that they probably breached in and found all the rooms infested, so during breaching each soldier would be dealing with their selected room from multiple different flanks and directions, multitasking is hard, one soldier can breach a room yeah but if they grab your rifle before you can shoot them all you put your whole team on risk because they overwhelm you, and walkers have super strength, the full strength of the bones and the living don't use the full strength of the bones, let's say you have a M4 like the guardsmen here, you have 30 MAG, are you even Elite to headshot 50 zombies in 5 seconds? The simple answer is no, you don't. Even worse, in the Walking Dead you need headshots for every Zombie, and breaking legs only disable the zombies logically because of the nerves, so a even frag grenade would probably just disable most of the zombies instead of killing them, hell maybe most of the shrapnel would hit the torso and they would be completely ok and will resume going towards you. And there is even a comment saying that Michonne would be able take 20 zombies by herself, in a open environment yes, but Michonne nor Rick would go into a building full with a horde, if you have watched the episodes, Michonne has gotten in trouble with buildings like that last time when Bob was around and they went into a school for meds or smth, they were infested with Zombies hell even Rick has gotten in trouble sometimes and those buildings were lowly infested this is because of the limited maneuverability and mobility in very closed environments. So in simple words the reason why they died here is because the military has CQC training that deals with conventional enemies that have firearms, they don't have training against Walking Dead, a unconventional enemy that goes at you without fear or hesitation, but the army man does.
Thank you! The top comment states that they're losing brain cells when they see anything military in TWD. Conversely, I'm losing brain cells reading the comments on anything military in TWD because absolutely no one watched the show or even understands how anything works outside of it. Also, fun fact. I've said this in another comment, but it's confirmed by Dave Erickson, original showrunner, that this scene was a mutiny; they fragged Lt. Moyers in the library on purpose because they had enough of his shit. That's likely part of why everything went wrong the way it did.
@@nobodyinparticular3606 Yeah, people don't pay attention, they're not interested in learning the truth which means doing your homework so they say stuff they know nothing about, it's literally everywhere on RUclips, pure of kids saying nonsense.
@@WikchsawaThey may not articulate their point well enough but people can rationally deduce something is 'off' about this, and the show doesn't attempt to rectify it. CQB is incredibly dangerous because the limited distance between combatants negates the need for accuracy. SAS used to rely on the flashlights attached to their MP5's to aim with in CQB... So weekend warriors trying to perform CQB are going to spray n pray into rooms, it will work but it'll consume a lot of munitions. Walkers don't shoot back so all the points of mobility and positioning don't matter for the weekend warriors, they can be sloppy with that.. so technically the critics are right. Regarding the fact their CO was fragged and the only confirmation of that was the implication of it off a website and the actual words of a showrunner is a failure to properly convey to the audience. The military lose by design, any army on earth that's stretched this thin, neglects their own combat donctrines abd logistics will fail. CRM succeeded only because the story required them to operate more realisticly, which knocks out all arguments why the military couldn't succeed if they tried, they could have, but this show would be about two or three weeks long...
@@johnwest5957 You're right about what your first paragraph, and the last paragraph, you pointed out the main problem with the Walking Dead, they don't show why the military loses, and reality is that in real life with shamblers or fast zombies the Military would win because they would have found eat pretty early that Zombies are attracted by noise and that's why they would win because the Military would indeed try to find weaknesses if they have problems with them, and if they find they're attracted by noise they will try to lure them and bomb them with precision strikes. This is the reason why movies like World War Z, or games like left 4 dead are not realistic because they show the military completely unaware or realize too late of the fact that infected/zombies are attracted by noise. And this is a problem with zombies in general, military is never gonna lose if they find out that fact, unless somehow Zombies figure out that they're being lured or something. However if you try urban warfare in a very infested zone, or you try to breach a place with zombies it is indeed gonna be risky, but in this scene the military guys would have won if they just try to lure them out and wait outside.
@@Wikchsawa Yeah, zombies are the most abused characters in media. They go from braindead, to witty, walking to jogging, loud to silent, easily tricked in one scene, yet setting up ambushes in another. It's not just noise though, if you notice in Fear and TWD the peak walker threat are the hordes right? Yet why is it the walkers appear to 'take and hold' territory like Atlanta or Washington DC? Zombies should by 'nature' or whatever, form hordes and wonder off out of the population centers, but they don't leave when the story requires it. I mean how much noise do you think was going on in california yet the National Guard were busy gathering supplies (the fact they had to do this is insane but nvm that) to retake the city. While there was some kind of 'no mans land' between them.. That raises a bunch of questions.. why are walkers holding ground? how was a no-mans land established? walkers dont venture back to where they came, or do they? why does the Military need to 'retake' a city from a force that can't comprehend what take and hold even is and is likely to walk off in a random direction anyway? The more you dig the less any of it makes sense.
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I can't find the video but a few yrs ago some YT channel did a skit about how an actual breakout would go down. Basically it was a mix of: all the pew pews in the US would come out we can avoid slow movers zombies will rot and fall to pieces the military would crush hordes people would quickly figure out what's what and exterminate the threat
Probably more realistic considering how a bunch of 3rd grade educated goat farmers in Afghanistan took over the place in 5 days after our military had been there 20 years. And those guys, like the dead walkers had no tanks, Air Force or drones.
what i never got about walking dead is when the napalmed the city, like if your that much of just "Fuck it" drop a moab on it, a moab could absolutely destroy the city, and kill everyone, they clearly didnt intend to save everyone considering they went full on vietnam in that bitch.
Listen. I can maybe see a scene like this if it was day one of the outbreak and the military had no intel regarding how to kill a walker properly. With that being said, the military has taken on walkers multiple times by now and should have the intel on how to properly kill them. I just don't understand how they can lose this badly in the span of a minute at this point in the outbreak.
This series didn’t have a big budget. They set the scenario but they couldn’t show it Justice. You see by this point the military is heavily strained, their morale is plummeting, they’re running on no sleep, anxious and defection is starting to take place out of fear for their families. However we never actually see what’s in the building, we don’t know what kind of walkers they are. Are they variants? We don’t know. It’s been displayed in the spin-offs that there’s more than just the shamble ones. I’m sure by this point they already know it’s a failing situation cause they have no way to contain it. Everyone who dies comes back everywhere. The military operates off containment as a priority, if they lose it they’ve lost control. The cities would be the worst, little pockets would be fine however having literal 10s of millions of them is a whole different story. That’s why they ended up dropping napalm and using nukes. People say “the military could take them down so easy!” Yes and no, combat arms is only 3% of the military. The rest is just auxiliary and supporting jobs which are really combat trained.
Rule number one of a zombie apocalypse setting: the military must be a bunch of incompetent morons; otherwise, there wouldn't be a zombie apocalypse setting.
Dude, the military had never heard or seen a zombie, in the TWD universe there is no reference to zombies before the outbreak, in other words, they didn't know what they were really facing.
@@nataliamendoza3640 Regardless, you’d think highly trained soldiers that adapt to combat situations would figure out how to deal with slow moving targets can still die to a bullet to the head. The military in world war Z managed pretty well and their zombies could sprint and form massive hordes. What’s the excuse for the military in this show? It just looks like the writers wanted them to be as incompetent as possible because the plot demanded it.
@@CactusCowboyDan The zombies in WWZ are different than those in TWD. In the movie WWZ there were already references to zombies, and that's why they already knew how to kill them. in the WWZ novel the military and the government were inept with the zombies during the first months. In TWD no one knew what a zombie was and they didn't know how to get rid of them. read the novel WWZ.
@@nataliamendoza3640 Again my point stands. Regardless of existing knowledge of what zombies are before hand, a trained military is supposed to adapt and learn quickly in combat situations. So in the TWD they have no excuse to not quickly figure out how to deal effectively with slow moving targets that can be killed with a bullet to the head. I’m not reading any novels. Because I don’t need to.
Holy hot Mic, the TWD universe would've benefited hugely from a Military advisor instead of just doing whatever they decided to do. That being said I would've loved a spin off generation kill or band of brothers style show in the TWD universe .
Everytime i see the military in anything twd related i lose half my braincells
That still gives you 200% more braincells than any soldier in a zombie franchise.
@@dmi6101 💀
A teenager literally clears a building better than a squad of these trained goofballs lmao.
That's government training.
@@jamesfreeman7954 no that's just shitty writing
Ain't no way the Military just goes in a building and lose like 6 more units from a bunch of dumb, slow moving walkers in under a minute. I don't believe that in an actual scenario, a bunch of highly trained Military troops would lose to a bunch of walkers
The only thing dumber is that the army, with weapons of mass destruction, napalm bombs, tanks and armored vehicles, was able to lose with slow and rotting corpses. and the fact that zombies that decompose and have bad teeth can easily bite through thick tissue
Because there's so many walkers
@@mohammadsabir7600 Even with that many walkers, they shouldn't be able to easily get to those soldiers because of their speed, and the soldiers should have great aim and more importantly, awareness of their surroundings.
@@TyrantSupremoDarkthink of rain or snow, very weak, a tent does fine but it just keeps coming. In the comics they also broke down, I mean why stay in your job if they clearly suck at keeping you alive and society is collapsing? They know how to fight other soldiers, not hordes of cheaply replaceable headshot only robots
Soldiers are mainly trained to shoot for centre mass, most are not elite marksmen. Zombies can only be killed by headshots or crushing the brain, so firing shots off in to its chest wont do anything.
Second big problem, unlike most zombies in the main walking dead series, these people are freshly turned. Meaning they still have (depending on how badly mauled there were prior to death) all their muscle mass. Fresh zombies use 100% of human physical potential regardless of the self inflicted damage it does to itself. Yes, human teeth can tear through flesh and clothing the main thing which stops us from doing the same is our own emotional hesitation and our body/brain limiting our physical potential, as if we use 100% you will seriously hurt yourself. For zombies there is zero hesitation and those walking corpses do not care about breaking their own bodies just to get at you.
Also forgetting two Human flaws which the dead do not have, the fear of being eaten alive & self preservation.
Bro if a fking random lady with a Katana can take on 20 zombies by herself, then there should be NO excuse for this scene to happen.
Hahaha while a highly trained Soldier with a Bulletproof vest and an M4A1 as Primary and a Pistol as secondary can't
@@exe9790Reducción de movimientos por el peso extra de equipamiento innecesario y la inexperiencia de miembros recientes y mala coordinación puede provocar la muerte de todo el equipo si un miembro de este no es eficaz, aunque aun asi con todo eso en contra, morirán 2 o 1 y esos serian los novatos, aunque depende si es que los ponen adelante lo cual no es común, o los pusieron en la retaguardia, donde creo que no seria muy efectivo, o mejor en el medio donde seria más eficaz el cuidado de los novatos aunque solo vi uno con cara de no saber nada aparte de solo seguir las ordenes, aunque como no vimos la escena al detalle, no sabemos cuantos zombies eran o como actuaron los soldados al verlos y dispararon sin pensar al torso y no a la cabeza o si hubo fuego amigo, muchas variables para que todo salga mal, la guerra urbana es muy mortal por la cercanía con el enemigo, pero si tuvieran una pizca de sentido común hubieran salido para formar una línea de retirada mientras se cubrían uno por uno la retirada, y formar una línea de fuego, o solo retirarse ya que ese sitio estaba plagado de zombies y para que gastar balas innecesarias, así que pudieron aver creado protocolos para estos casos donde los soldados no hayan enfrentado anteriormente a zombies o haya algún fallo en en su actuar.
Yeah ! michonne da badass
Fact high school of the dead is fire
@@exe9790Your regular Infantrymen don't carry sidearms.. NCOs might and COs do.
With how incompetent they made the military in this you'd think they were fighting super zombies with magic powers or something seriously -_-.
yeah agreed, maybe if they were fighting world war z zombies or dying light volatiles, hell even left 4 dead, but slow moving twd zombies?
Well one thing about the TWD that is consistent is how inconsistent the zombies are first few episodes had them running, jumping fences and trying to use door handles.
Maybe they ran into a random group of amped up zombies...i guess.....
@@alphaisdank42069l4d, wwz, 28 days/weeks later, tlof, makes sense. A new virus that infects in seconds can overrun multiple parts of the globe. With twd... it's just pretty dumb...
@@Chippaization Nah, the writers just needed the army to lose so the plot could happen.
Its not incompetence, its fear and being swarmed by dozens of undead cannibals whose only motivation is to tear you apart slowly while your still alive. Also, remember only clean headshots work. Not every single soldier is a Hollywood commando type expert marksmen, capable of pulling off perfect headshots under pressure.
Only think you might also be forgetting is the zombies in that building are recently turned meaning they have all their muscle mass still intact (based on the wounds they suffered before death) Until living Humans, fresh zombies use 100% of Human physical strength, with zero hesitation or concern about the damage they do to themselves in the process. You are at a serious disadvantage if you end up in hand to hand combat with a fresh zombie.
The most funniest part is that more likely the military would be more successful in these situations because of how slow the walkers are.
Zombie lore is universally reliant on the militaries worldwide being woefully incompetent to work as stories.
Which is why they’re always “beaten” off screen.
I feel like the government would struggle at first since the police aren't supposed to just open fire on the people with life threatening injuries walking towards them but once the government figures out that it is zombies and becomes aware of how the zombie virus spreads they would be really good at dealing with zombies. Imagine what even a single artillery piece could do to a slow moving hoard.
@@catpratt4246 And let's not forget this is Los Angeles; between the LAPD and the criminal underworld, there is enough firepower to take care of slow-walking zombies, or at least hold them off long enough for the National Guard or Regular Army/Marines to show up
WWZ Battle of Yonkers, that’s a story that shows how modern military tactics failed against zombies at first
@@sosaboi1352 Was partly unrealistic though. They were partly written to be artificially incompetent and I saw some criticism on the author not understanding military weaponry well enough. Even major ordinance would've turned zombie hordes into mush given the major force upon impact plus shrapnel raining into every direction including their heads. It's essentially the same forcefully written plot device of "military / government response incompetent".
Shout out on how the military in WWZ (Novel) learned to adapt very very quickly against the Zeke. These guys are probably shooting with one hand on the trigger and one hand on the radio button.
in all movies,games,comics and novels i watched,played or read. Wwz novel is something so different. This probably has the best world-building in all zombie works
No, they didn't... it took them years to adapt to the point they could get the logistics in place to retake the eastern half of the US. There are some contradictions here and there, such as them succeeding in clearing out parts of the West Coast, and the "Alpha Teams" that aren't very well explained, but overall it takes the military a while before they "adapt". World War Z is a pretty good novel overall, but the research regarding the US military was probably one of the worst-researched parts of the novel and it's infuriating going back and reading how artillery and concussive force of bombs are against the zombies but a bat or axe works just fine... because I guess getting hit with a bat or axe is more powerful than the blast of a bomb (and before you mention, I *know* Todd handwaves it with the "no snt effect" line, but if it doesn't work with bombs or artillery then it shouldn't work for melee weapons either).
@@dfmrcv862 Isn't there that zombie in Japan that took a golf club to the face and didn't care?
@@datnoob4394 Not exactly. It took the thin part of the club, as that "bent around it". The Japanese Otaku is noted to have found a katana that worked "just fine", and the blind old man arc he's using a normal stick to end the zombies that bother him. Then there's the line from the lady who "ripped its head off" regarding a zombie that grabbed her daughter, and the mercenary character who makes a point that they use melee weapons because you "feel good" with those, and you have to wonder why the shockwave of thermal explosions does nothing, the pressure at the bottom of the sea floor does nothing, but a regular bat does.
@@dfmrcv862 I guess it's upsetting because it's not explained but it is acknowledges that the zombies don't always make sense.
Like them coming back from being frozen aswell
The unit shown in the video are members of the California Army National Guard, 79th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (I can tell by the patch on his shoulder at 0:39). over 20% of this Brigade has deployed to Afghanistan prior to the events of the walking dead timeline, most of which were infantry and MPs and shown here.
That being said, there is quite literally no reason for them to be THIS incompetent, especially given all of their combat experience, some of the guys in this video even had a deployment patch on their right sleeve indicating they've actually been down the wire.
the thing is zombies in TWD die only when the brain is destroyed, shooting anywhere else won't work, they'd need to score perfect headshots
Their CO is Lt. Moyers and he was probably part of this 20% since during "Cobalt", when his men prepare to assault the library, he states that he's "been places where they shoot back", implying that he's seen active combat.
Their objective was to get rid of their officer and go home to San Diego, not to clear the building.
@@dangaming2698 i mean... they could airstrike the area??
Makes no sense for the military to be so bad, unless they recruited from Uvalde Texas.
One soldier is from
San diego
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Tal ves se les callo el techo a los que iban primero y por eso murieron bastantes en esa misión
There’s no way these guys are from Uvalde…
These guys actually went INTO the school during a crisis.
The killed their officer on purpose then left. They fulfilled their objective.
There’s no way the military or even the National Guard would’ve messed up this badly in an actual confrontation. Even if there were too many to handle they would’ve just immediately left the facility.
The show explained it was mostly young kids with little experience, many having barely slept in days just protecting their safe-zones and patrolling. Couple that with a highly unnerving situation and dozens of hostile combatants that never stop charging and don’t die easily, and it’s plausible for them to lose like this every now and then. They said most of the actual soldiers were protecting air force bases.
@@IanB3rry 1) I can forgive the "it's young kids with no experience" argument because the show takes place in 2010 and most of our guys would be in Afghanistan and Iraq... *that said...* even these newbies would be drilled like crazy. The US military is the most capable fighting force on earth, to the point when *one* guy breaches that conduct it's huge news... so inexperience doesn't automatically translate into losses.
2) TWD is just... badly written overall when it comes to stuff like this. The submarine webisode is a major example of how bad it is to this regard, as well as the more recent "Ones who Live" series that has the CRM just... kinda... ignoring the fact they can technically get rid of the super herds because we saw the Commonwealth do it using fire bombs... but then that contradicts how in Atlanta they used napalm to almost no effect...
Yeah, it's mainly bad writing.
@@dfmrcv862That’s not true. The US has the largest military in the world, but the quality of the military is not as high as a country like the UK.
@@coochieman7887 Oh, yeah, the country that can't even afford a tank fleet has higher quality troops than the US. Let me guess, you read that *one* training exercise that had the UK's troops win against US troops and forgot about everything else?
@@coochieman7887that’s subjective. What’s not is that US infantry units spend more time training and are allocated more funds and resources to do so than any other military in the world
All Of Us Are Dead stomps this show when it comes to showing how the military can actually deal with zombies and in that show, the zombies could even run...
I think how the breakout begin also contributed in how the military will fight. All of us are dead begin with bite only virus and begin in one town only, so the military can react fast. Most of zombie apocalyptic setting stated either the virus spread fast at beginning or it start at many place at the same time.
Pretty much every other piece of zombie media does the same thing.
Let's be real though, given how fast the virus spreads in "All of us are dead", the military response and containment was almost OP. Remember they can run and make people turn relatively fast. There was no prior warning and it broke out in two major locations, a school and hospital. If this happened in any western average place I can tell you by the time people realize it and start to act collectively it wouldve spread across and beyond a whole city, methinks, yet in SK they were able to contain it to districts.
That's almost too competent :D
I get many shows show an underwhelming incompetent military response. But given that in "AOUAD" they can turn people fast and run, it would spread like a wildfire initially, with police being unable to contain it much and the military needing time to react. Especially in a metro area.
Unless South Korea is just somehow better at this, we'd be fucked if this happened in Central Europe or so. Or at least a bigger area would be affected until all people got the memo to stay inside and let cleanup and containment teams handle it.
all good but all of us are dead have terrible characters they are just a bunch of high school students
Remember when we all thought Fear the Walking Dead was gonna be this prequel anthology style series where we would see just how the world fell to the walkers? Instead it just became a Walking Dead clone.
this, this. exactly fucking this. god its so underwhelming. i gave up on it when the white blond old chic keeps patting troy on the head after he got his ENTIRE FUCKING COMPOUND killed
I literally only watched like half of the first season only cus the whole appeal to it for me was to see the beginning of the outbreak. This should've been the show that literally explained HOW the outbreak started too, I can understand Rick and his gang not knowing the details cus theyre just a bunch of random nobodies that just got lucky to survive and gained skills to live, but they could've made the main cast be scientists or high government workers that are getting to the bottom of it and trying keep everything civilized (and obviously fail doing so). Instead, like you said, we got a Walking Dead clone just with a gang of different characters so I stopped watching it. Also the no 1st world country's military would lose to slow zombies, I can believe some battles being lost and it could take a while, but there would 100% be military safe zones perfectly fine. Hell in the Walking Dead, barely secured safe zones exist with just a few guards and makeshift walls with the majority of the population a zombie but you're telling me the US military couldn't keep at least one area safe with all the equipment and training they have against slow moving zombies? This is why imo I like The Last of Us better as a zombie and post apocalyptic show/game cus the military IS still there (just no government officials to direct them so they became corrupt) and they're basically in charge of most of the survivors still save for a few random settlements.
So much zombie media really fumbles showing how the military would deal regular zombies. Makes no sense that they'd suffer any losses at all, literally just don't get bit by the people walking towards you. I like the idea of Project Zomboid zombies where 80 to 90% of zombies were infected by an airborn infection that killed and reanimated them, makes way more sense
In this show anyone who dies regardless of how they die becomes a walker. Now, they could present problems in closed spaces but out in the open where most of the fighting appears to happen it shouldn't be as big of an issue unless people just start to commit mass suicide.
In general a zombie apocalypse like this wouldn't make sense in the first place.
Yes - ironically Sean of the Dead was the only one I saw which showed them as half competent and able to regain control of the situation
@@I3igI3adW0lf I forgot about that but it still doesn't work great without some widespread mass casualty event to boost the initial numbers
@@drpompo True, however, if I remember correctly there was some attempt at explaining it with mass suicides because people were convinced it was the end of the world. Also, a lot of people die every day so if they happened to be infected when they died they would have come back as walkers too. Even then, I don't think it would be enough to cause the world governments to collapse like they did. Perhaps if it happened at night but that would only cause an initial surge that would be quelled once people could see more clearly in the daylight. If they were runners it might be a different story though as they would be far more difficult to hit.
Dude really used a grenade to kill one zombie 6 feet away
and he failed
The initial shock and reality check I could see taking a lot of lives, but with how these zombies are, it wouldn't last long. Take Night of the Walking Dead. Same zombies, yet in the end, you have military and armed civilians overcoming the threat.
But even there their victory was short lived as then Dawn of the Dead happens
@@49mozzer The remake or original?
@@SGTKILL995 90% the original (I'm not OP, but he mentioned Dawn of the Dead after the main comment's OP mentioned "Night of the Living Dead", which was made in the 60s-70s-something.)
Military in TWD is only dealing with EZ mode zombie and still fail to gain any success just beyond me
More zombies then bullets probably. That seemed to be the issue in WWZ in New York. They hammered them with everything they had but they'd just keep coming.
@@49mozzerthey just walked into the building 20 seconds ago, unless they’re firing full auto at every zombie they should have enough ammo on them to drop a few hundred relatively easily
@@JakobWasTaken__ If they are aiming for the head then yeah but they aren't trained to do that an they probably aren't aware of the fact that that's the only way to kill a walker so odds are they're going for centre mass an likely only realize that isn't working about a magazine in.
Also they likely wouldn't hear more of them coming up behind them over the sounds of battle an I doubt they'd have someone watching the rear when they have a horde bearing down on them
@@JakobWasTaken__ One in the chest , Two to the chest, three to the head. They could have figured this out extremely easily
@@49mozzer they should have someone watching the rear and had this been day one of the apocalypse sure i could say they didn’t know but by now they had figured out only headshots work I believe. Also how many bullets do you put center mass without hitting the spinal cord and dropping them? Or realizing it didn’t work and go for the head.
I hate how incompetent the military is in TWD and how easily they collapsed in the face of the walkers.
it’s a shame really honestly
the military in S1 of TWD did like 10x better then every other depiction of the military since and that says A LOT given the most we saw them do is open fire on people in the hospital.
people don’t give franks depiction of the military in S1 enough credit. they were doing amazingly better then these guys and were probably still even operational given the hueys seen flying about.
it’s a shame he got replaced by a dude who knows nothing about the military and basically said it was a small contingent of national guardsmen who had a huey (that mind you somehow couldn’t fight off like 4 civilians who would have no proper training with firearms.)
@@lumberedjack military were pretty dumb in the hospital letting themselves get snuck up on
@@Gabriel-ki7uj good point, though they performed massively better then every other incarnation of them thus far which is hilarious.
they had proper MOPP equipment (either mopp 3 or mopp 4) and knew that you had to shoot people in the brain to prevent re-animation (which they did, going through and shooting the hospital staff in the head.)
This is how hollywood views our Military.
tbf it's lazy writing. I get that in a long-term apocalypse scenario you kinda need authorities to fail but it could've been done or displayed better and more believable than applying "red shirt TV tropes" onto troops who by then should've figured out how to fight them effectively.
They literally left a perfectly good armored vehicle.
I keep seeing people talking about how the military went braindead in this series. And while true, i gotta point something else out, as someone who spent multiple years in ROTC, there is absolutely NO WAY Zombies are biting through BDUs (Battle Dress Uniforms) those things are pretty tough. So even if they were over run i have a hard time believing they were eaten.
Yes things bring me to another point, in at least 2 instances we’ve seen zombies eat horses, this is basically impossible, the hide of horses wouldn’t be penetrated by human teeth.
"What happened?"
"He ain't coming."
Its just like comedic scene.
One of the downfalls of The Walking Dead shows was the utter stupidity required for those events to happen. Like NOT telling First Responders & the Military everything that was already known about those "Walkers" and how to prevent & stop them (head shots). And the total incompetence of those First Responders & Military just amplifies that.
The only zombie apocalypse scenario that is even remotely believable to break out is WWZ, never understood how slow rotting corpse are able to take out a large organized military presence
Anyone remember Night of the Living Dead when the outbreak lasted no more than about a week and the whole thing was under control but just groups of dudes with guns?
ah yes, i remember there was a scene here where the zoms tryna get inside a military compound and the bullets that are being fired cant get through the zombies cuz of the fence
@matthewserrano4048 Yep - and the Soldiers also didnt used their 50cal MGs (from the Humvees) & they also didnt used their Grenades. Those Combo would shreed a Mob of Walkers (maybe it wont kill them - but it would destroy their Legs or Body. So at the End : You just need to move in, and give everything which still move a Headshot) 😉
@@StarmercGaming I know right? hahaha thats why i didnt even last for like 5 episodes after that, I just decided to yeet
NO ONE will hold the Push to Talk on a mic while being eaten lol :P
What they needed at the end of the scene was guys from the squad that went in coming out as Walkers, just to add to the dread.
The authorities losing control to TWD slowass walkers is nonsense.
The only way a world descends into chaos is if the zombies are WWZ or 28 Days Later type of fast zombies, or if the virus is airborne.
And Left 4 Dead too, dont forget that! But other than those 3 properties, this is humilating.
And dying light @@mapletouqe
The virus in TWD is airborne.
Everyone is infected and turns upon death unless the brain was destroyed.
The radio chatter is kinda what I thought the chatter at the Battle of Yonkers was like, reading WWZ.
The Soldiers probably killed their own. There is no way they lose to a group of infected unless the run out of ammo. Standard issue is 120 rounds. Once headshots are found to be effective it would be a flash priority message. The fact that no one stayed on the big guns in the trucks means they have probably been out for a while and some were done with the mission. As the man said he was heading to San Diego.
Rick Grimes would look at these soldiers and go "Really?!" 😂😂
The reason the military fails is because there is no concept of a zombie in the TWD universe. They don't know what they're facing and they don't know that zombies fall with headshots and crushed brains,
They think walkers are sick or possessed people because there is no reference to zombies in that universe, no movies, no literature, no video games, that's why they call them walkers, biters and roamers, and not zombies. It took weeks for people to realize how to get rid of the walkers. Currently, in the event that there is a zombie apocalyptic, the military and the people will already know how to rid them because they were taught by movies and video games.
fair, but theyre shooting on sight with those zombies with headshots
In the comics they called them zombies at least once
That doesn’t explain anything in the slightest.
Even if the military weren’t aware of the concept of zombies, they would be aware of the fact they’re slow walking and possess no weaponry, so don’t get close. And if they get too close for comfort you shoot.
World War Z gives a better reason to why the military failed. They failed because every military thought that the zombies were just traditional enemies that they could win against with conventional tactics. Thus why disasters such as the "Battle of Yonker" happened with all the pointless spending of resources and the total breakdown of social order that followed after such heavy losses as it was broadcast live.
But it is quite foolish for any post-apocalyptic show to assume that the government and every of it's assets would totally be gone in a few short months just like that.
@@davidshepherd8917that can’t chose if they get close or not they are in a tiny enclosed space
"The Walking Dead" and "Fear the Walking Dead" walked so "The Last of Us" could run.
Actually what happened is that the soldiers fragged their own CO (don't remember his name or rank but he was arrogant, tyrannical, violent and dumb), probably so they could just desert.
Imagine stacking on a vehicle before entering a building full of slow ass zombies
At this point the most realistic portrayal of how the military would do against zombies is the ending to Shaun of the Dead
No one seems to recognise the obviousness of the fact that they went in there to kill their officer and then go home. Simple.
i love those tropes in media
after 6-7 shots in the body they would aim for the head - not because of obvious zombies but because target might both be on tons of drugs and have body armor
that would led to information about shooting in the head spreading within first 10-12 minutes
outcome: army has everything under control - they evacuate on purpose leaving people
the same with police
if suspect is approaching they magdump in the chest
one reason is because they use 9mm like jackasses
second reason because junkies on all kinds of drugs can take 15 rounds in the chest and still run
leading to much slower but successful spread of shooting in the head information
Im like real old,on a good day i could not catch up to my 5 and 6 yr old grandsons. I would like to think im faster then a walker. Doest seem right a grown ass solider with a weapon could not get away from a POS zombie
That raccoon is adorable
Why do you watermark a clip which doesn't belong to you in the first place?
Because the uploader is a total smoothbrain.
Walkers are legitimately some of the slower zombies , im glad alot of people believe twd wouldnt even last that long
The problem I have with slow zombies (walkers/shamblers) movies like the walking dead, is that the army just need to align 3 tanks per large streets, make lots of noise to attract them and just roll over everything into meat paste.
You'd end up with three mobility kills, after the tracks get all gummed up.
@@0lionheart maybe engineers and mechanics should know better than me. But it's still a better solution than whatever is shown at the screen
In FTWD, the first season was only a few days in. Although the military aren’t incompetent, I am sure they would not know what “Walkers” are if they’ve never heard of zombies (as said in this universe).
They do not know to shoot Walkers in the head right now.
It's not like they are running toward you they are walking and strolling. They are attractive to noise, and make a lot of noise.
Y'know the scene makes more sense if you assume the deaths weren't walker related but rather the unit turning on Itself
Its like the soldiers immediately sprinted to a horde of undead without sweep and clear
I want a remake for this one "The Running Dead"
My two favorite Zombie Series are Netflix's TWD and Black Summer, I like TWD because of the Human characters (Rick, Daryl, Carol, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, Negan and Michonne), and I love Black Summer because of the Zombies, a problem that both Series have, is that what one gets right, the other gets wrong.
I don't understand how anyone can take this series seriously, in what world can it be that half a group of soldiers die in an instant, it's really stupid
This is why I love the WWZ novel, besides the battle of Yonkers, the US Military becomes a machine.
If a squad is pinned in the library, say the rear office or staff facilities room. Every walker insideis occupied into breaching that room.
So none would notice 8 NG enter behind, would they? So how do the troops get ambushed or involved in close quarters? The POV should have been the squad inside and we watch the troops enter, they start clearing out, then suddenly a barricaded door near the entrance breaks open, an opportunity is taken to kill the CO, the troops split up and take different directions, you see the above scene where the 3 leave but should still hear shooting and yelling on the radio, realising these guys are going awol the dude reluctantly goes with them before the other soldiers finish clearing the building and realise.
That would be more logical at least and still provide the same narrative
I would like to see more spin offs based on the beginning.
Good god no!
I feel like in a real world scenario you would have a better battle plan and use suppresors or something to kill the gun noise a bit amongst other things
Back when watching TWD when they come across the giant quarry full of trapped walkers I was like “why not just toss a few Molotov cocktails in there? Big fire, walkers burn up, more see smoke and come walking in, just manage it.”
The other part that killed it was how long does body or brain remain viable after death? At some point, I’d think a couple weeks, the brain rot would put down a walker
Military lost against slow moving zombies? I can understand '28 Days Later' zombies. Or World War Z zombies. Or even Last of Us mushroom zombies. But these slow moving dummies? GTFOH.
i wish freshly turned zombies would sprint. then after they decay , they walk.
Guess that huge HMG on the Humvee was for decoration 😂
Military have dificult eliminate zombie, they should put more smart and fast zombies
If a Zombie Apocalypse happened in real life, it would only last for a week before it gets utterly obliterated
People insult the soldiers, but i laugh at how walkers decide to garrison buildings, hold territory, and spread out in even enough numbers without entering military zones, only to mobilise when the plot requires so...
From the World War Z novel "Zack isn't in a hurry, why should you be?" Just draw them out and clear methodically
Former commo sergeant here… I lost interest when the RT-1523D were shown… most units had F model by 2010. RT1523E and newer models are about 1/2 the width and fewer knobs. Display & keypad was a big enhancement beyond capability enhancement
Icing on the cake was that the antenna ports weren’t connected. So those radios wouldn’t receive anything.
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Ah hell nah rick and carl can clear out a horde of zombies unless they searched every room but like how do you die that easy
This entire comment section misunderstands the scene; I'm guessing no one here actually watched the show. These guys were unfit for duty as they were vastly overworked, underslept, and shaken because they recently lost one of their own in a previous mission. Their squad leader even attempted to warn Lt. Moyers about this.
Speaking of Moyers, fun little detail about what actually happened. This scene was a mutiny; they purposefully fragged Moyers in the library because they'd had enough of his shit. This was confirmed by Dave Erickson, the original showrunner for FTWD. Unfortunately, due to reasons stated above, everything went wrong and more people than just Moyers ended up dying.
You act like being tired makes you deaf and your bullets turn into air if you aren't paying attention
You must not have ever spent more than a couple of nights without sleep if you can oversimplify the result of many days worth of stressing, nonstop work coupled with a traumatic experience as "being tired." There's a reason their squad leader didn't want them on the field.
Remember that walkers need headshots to kill and the world doesn't work like a FPS game. It's funny that you mention deaf, because frag grenades do make a hell of a lot of noise and that one was set off in a very tight space to kill Moyers. That very well could have temporarily impaired their hearing.
But even if that grenade and the whole mutiny didn't factor in at all, disaster was likely to strike given the poor physical and mental condition they were in.
@@nobodyinparticular3606 adrenaline also exists. if they are energized enough to run out of the building they can aim a gun
The military in many of the walking dead series is so freaking cringe. Like yall couldn't do any research prior to making these scenes?
Research on what? If the military were effective and accurate to the real world this problem would be dealt with and you wouldn't have a show. Not everything needs to be some autistically detailed neurotic military suck job.
Okay what!??
Did a bunch of highly trained well equipped soldiers Lost to a bunch of slow moving, stupid walkers like bro what!?
5.56 can do some damage to a human, a bunch of zombies aren't going to compare to one of the most powerful military in the world
What they should have done was make contact with lost squad. From there create a lot of noise outside to draw them out. With a bottle neck entrance they could pick them off and if it became too many. They're right next to their vehicles to escape. Hopefully that would draw enough of them away from the lost squad to help them make their exit from the building.
If the military was accurately portrayed the apocalypse would’ve been over in a week
They thought it will be easy... they never come back
Alot of people in these comments seem to forget that the idea of the undead doesnt exist in TWDU, as in no movies or stories about them were ever created. This being said thats why the military had no idea how to actually fight the walkers.
The entire thing doesn't even makes sense. How could walkers even overpowered the entire modern US military which easily have more than enough firepower to level the entire planet a hundred times over and then some. Also something like concrete and reinforced steel walls appearantly don't exist in the universe of TWD because any sizable population could have easily banded together a built fortress settlements or city states and live like normal while keeping any horde of walkers out.
Never saw anyone use three round burst during a real firefight. It's too inaccurate and the gear mechanism will make it only shoot 1 or 2 rounds sometimes the first burst, making it really really iffy to use. That's how you tell that no one in Hollywood ever asks real combat vets what actually goes on in a fight.
Try bringing only your fists and teeth to a gunfight with the us military and you’ll see how stupid this is lol.
The Zombies kicked their asses. The Zombies had them washing their drawers.
@@jamesmcelroy5830 Because of silly plot/writing.
Spartacus. They rebel.
Feels like Minecraft zombie apocalypse sounds
Although unrealistic you could argue that these soldiers are dealing with an unheard of threat. They have no idea what these things are and are probably scared as shit because they’ve most definitely seen these things tear into their brothers and civilians. Nerves are high and all it takes is one fuck up and things go tits up.
1:45 another thing on why it makes sense the military fell bc of desertion.
Uhhh, no, it doesn't make sense. The soldiers getting wiped out part, absolutely makes no sense, so the desertion makes even LESS sense.
90% of the comment section about CQC experts complaining about the accuracy of the military, do you even know how CQC in closed environments even work? Do you even know that in closed environments its not better not use the ACOG on your rifle but the rear sights? Complete ignorants, these soldiers are Guardsmen and in the shows its shown that they were just teens, literal kids most of them, they're a reserve force that is mostly stationed as civilians waiting to be put to duty, they get training monthly so why should most of them have more experience or fear control than regulars? What probably happened here is that they probably breached in and found all the rooms infested, so during breaching each soldier would be dealing with their selected room from multiple different flanks and directions, multitasking is hard, one soldier can breach a room yeah but if they grab your rifle before you can shoot them all you put your whole team on risk because they overwhelm you, and walkers have super strength, the full strength of the bones and the living don't use the full strength of the bones, let's say you have a M4 like the guardsmen here, you have 30 MAG, are you even Elite to headshot 50 zombies in 5 seconds? The simple answer is no, you don't.
Even worse, in the Walking Dead you need headshots for every Zombie, and breaking legs only disable the zombies logically because of the nerves, so a even frag grenade would probably just disable most of the zombies instead of killing them, hell maybe most of the shrapnel would hit the torso and they would be completely ok and will resume going towards you.
And there is even a comment saying that Michonne would be able take 20 zombies by herself, in a open environment yes, but Michonne nor Rick would go into a building full with a horde, if you have watched the episodes, Michonne has gotten in trouble with buildings like that last time when Bob was around and they went into a school for meds or smth, they were infested with Zombies hell even Rick has gotten in trouble sometimes and those buildings were lowly infested this is because of the limited maneuverability and mobility in very closed environments.
So in simple words the reason why they died here is because the military has CQC training that deals with conventional enemies that have firearms, they don't have training against Walking Dead, a unconventional enemy that goes at you without fear or hesitation, but the army man does.
Thank you! The top comment states that they're losing brain cells when they see anything military in TWD. Conversely, I'm losing brain cells reading the comments on anything military in TWD because absolutely no one watched the show or even understands how anything works outside of it.
Also, fun fact. I've said this in another comment, but it's confirmed by Dave Erickson, original showrunner, that this scene was a mutiny; they fragged Lt. Moyers in the library on purpose because they had enough of his shit. That's likely part of why everything went wrong the way it did.
@@nobodyinparticular3606 Yeah, people don't pay attention, they're not interested in learning the truth which means doing your homework so they say stuff they know nothing about, it's literally everywhere on RUclips, pure of kids saying nonsense.
@@WikchsawaThey may not articulate their point well enough but people can rationally deduce something is 'off' about this, and the show doesn't attempt to rectify it.
CQB is incredibly dangerous because the limited distance between combatants negates the need for accuracy. SAS used to rely on the flashlights attached to their MP5's to aim with in CQB...
So weekend warriors trying to perform CQB are going to spray n pray into rooms, it will work but it'll consume a lot of munitions.
Walkers don't shoot back so all the points of mobility and positioning don't matter for the weekend warriors, they can be sloppy with that.. so technically the critics are right.
Regarding the fact their CO was fragged and the only confirmation of that was the implication of it off a website and the actual words of a showrunner is a failure to properly convey to the audience.
The military lose by design, any army on earth that's stretched this thin, neglects their own combat donctrines abd logistics will fail.
CRM succeeded only because the story required them to operate more realisticly, which knocks out all arguments why the military couldn't succeed if they tried, they could have, but this show would be about two or three weeks long...
@@johnwest5957 You're right about what your first paragraph, and the last paragraph, you pointed out the main problem with the Walking Dead, they don't show why the military loses, and reality is that in real life with shamblers or fast zombies the Military would win because they would have found eat pretty early that Zombies are attracted by noise and that's why they would win because the Military would indeed try to find weaknesses if they have problems with them, and if they find they're attracted by noise they will try to lure them and bomb them with precision strikes.
This is the reason why movies like World War Z, or games like left 4 dead are not realistic because they show the military completely unaware or realize too late of the fact that infected/zombies are attracted by noise.
And this is a problem with zombies in general, military is never gonna lose if they find out that fact, unless somehow Zombies figure out that they're being lured or something.
However if you try urban warfare in a very infested zone, or you try to breach a place with zombies it is indeed gonna be risky, but in this scene the military guys would have won if they just try to lure them out and wait outside.
@@Wikchsawa Yeah, zombies are the most abused characters in media. They go from braindead, to witty, walking to jogging, loud to silent, easily tricked in one scene, yet setting up ambushes in another.
It's not just noise though, if you notice in Fear and TWD the peak walker threat are the hordes right? Yet why is it the walkers appear to 'take and hold' territory like Atlanta or Washington DC?
Zombies should by 'nature' or whatever, form hordes and wonder off out of the population centers, but they don't leave when the story requires it.
I mean how much noise do you think was going on in california yet the National Guard were busy gathering supplies (the fact they had to do this is insane but nvm that) to retake the city. While there was some kind of 'no mans land' between them..
That raises a bunch of questions.. why are walkers holding ground? how was a no-mans land established? walkers dont venture back to where they came, or do they? why does the Military need to 'retake' a city from a force that can't comprehend what take and hold even is and is likely to walk off in a random direction anyway?
The more you dig the less any of it makes sense.
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I can't find the video but a few yrs ago some YT channel did a skit about how an actual breakout would go down.
Basically it was a mix of:
all the pew pews in the US would come out
we can avoid slow movers
zombies will rot and fall to pieces
the military would crush hordes
people would quickly figure out what's what and exterminate the threat
And Then There Is Tallahassee.....
Bru, World war z and shaun of the dead millitary will have a field day in twd universe
Either A. Them zombies could sprint and have above normal human strength and ability. Or B. Those guys were daft.
If this actually happen we all know some of our soldiers irl would know how to kill zombies like if it was cod xD
F for lieutant moyers
I love TWD universe but they really need an actually military consultant. I mean, we weren't perfect but.damn...
What the hell, that dude is throwing granade like a 8 year old girl that is throwing a ball in PE class
It’s sad that any kind of competent military is completely incompatible with the slow moving zombie genre
Probably more realistic considering how a bunch of 3rd grade educated goat farmers in Afghanistan took over the place in 5 days after our military had been there 20 years. And those guys, like the dead walkers had no tanks, Air Force or drones.
coughing baby vs military in TWD who winning?
lol :D
what i never got about walking dead is when the napalmed the city, like if your that much of just "Fuck it" drop a moab on it, a moab could absolutely destroy the city, and kill everyone, they clearly didnt intend to save everyone considering they went full on vietnam in that bitch.
Listen. I can maybe see a scene like this if it was day one of the outbreak and the military had no intel regarding how to kill a walker properly. With that being said, the military has taken on walkers multiple times by now and should have the intel on how to properly kill them. I just don't understand how they can lose this badly in the span of a minute at this point in the outbreak.
This series didn’t have a big budget. They set the scenario but they couldn’t show it Justice. You see by this point the military is heavily strained, their morale is plummeting, they’re running on no sleep, anxious and defection is starting to take place out of fear for their families. However we never actually see what’s in the building, we don’t know what kind of walkers they are. Are they variants? We don’t know. It’s been displayed in the spin-offs that there’s more than just the shamble ones. I’m sure by this point they already know it’s a failing situation cause they have no way to contain it. Everyone who dies comes back everywhere. The military operates off containment as a priority, if they lose it they’ve lost control. The cities would be the worst, little pockets would be fine however having literal 10s of millions of them is a whole different story. That’s why they ended up dropping napalm and using nukes. People say “the military could take them down so easy!” Yes and no, combat arms is only 3% of the military. The rest is just auxiliary and supporting jobs which are really combat trained.
Rule number one of a zombie apocalypse setting: the military must be a bunch of incompetent morons; otherwise, there wouldn't be a zombie apocalypse setting.
this is actually a reference to the crm rebeling against the us goverment in their starting days
finally they use frag grenades
Did anyone even like watching this show with it showing such a poor performance of military ability?
Dude, the military had never heard or seen a zombie, in the TWD universe there is no reference to zombies before the outbreak, in other words, they didn't know what they were really facing.
@@nataliamendoza3640 Regardless, you’d think highly trained soldiers that adapt to combat situations would figure out how to deal with slow moving targets can still die to a bullet to the head. The military in world war Z managed pretty well and their zombies could sprint and form massive hordes. What’s the excuse for the military in this show? It just looks like the writers wanted them to be as incompetent as possible because the plot demanded it.
@@CactusCowboyDan The zombies in WWZ are different than those in TWD. In the movie WWZ there were already references to zombies, and that's why they already knew how to kill them. in the WWZ novel the military and the government were inept with the zombies during the first months. In TWD no one knew what a zombie was and they didn't know how to get rid of them.
read the novel WWZ.
@@nataliamendoza3640 Again my point stands. Regardless of existing knowledge of what zombies are before hand, a trained military is supposed to adapt and learn quickly in combat situations. So in the TWD they have no excuse to not quickly figure out how to deal effectively with slow moving targets that can be killed with a bullet to the head.
I’m not reading any novels. Because I don’t need to.
@@nataliamendoza3640 The other people in FTWD and TWD seem to have no problems adapting to the zombies.
"Stay in the truck?" The military doesn't speak that way lol. Should be "stay in the Humvee."
I just fail to see how a modern military with its huge firepower and technology could lose against a zombie horde. 😑
the soldiers were probably just random people who didnt know how to shoot
Holy hot Mic, the TWD universe would've benefited hugely from a Military advisor instead of just doing whatever they decided to do. That being said I would've loved a spin off generation kill or band of brothers style show in the TWD universe .
1:30 "what happened 👁️👄👁️"
Military lost because walkers had plot armour 😂