well this looks like a fun day! appreciate the dyno overlay comparing the supra's redonkulous torque curve to the miata's, and the data at the end of the video!
Idk the setup on that Supra but it aint it, that much lag for 800hp, all while falling off at high rpm, it's like worst of both world, with that much lag you'd expect a top end that's outta this world.
To be fair I'm not sure if that's even their best dyno run or their "final" tune, it's just what I was able to source from their channel. Their setup may be more optimized by now but it's certainly a good demonstration of why turbo selection for your application is so important. Makes a great drag car but probably not so hot for street use haha
@@TheCarPassionChannel Yeah it's very possible that flattening up top is it spinning on the dyno. But still it seems like it has too big of a turbo, and possibly not hot enough cams if that flat on the top of the rev range is real.
I laughed seeing the gauge hood wanting to yeet itself into your face every time you accelerate. Much like my old hood, the clips left the chat long ago.
Sure my paint is crap and I have some road rash but you can't see all the hard work and tuning I've done underneath. If your miata doesn't have any blemishes you aren't driving it! I'm still upset some vagrants cut my top and trashed my interior.
Honestly, just seeing old Miatas on the road all these years later still being enjoyed is enough for me. I've tried in vain to keep my 91 pristine and while it's really good compared to most, time and miles will inevitably accumulate battle scars.@@toadbroz30
I'd like to see the red car get some much needed cosmetic upgrades next, Greg has focused solely on making it fast and functional which is sick but with this setup pretty well sorted maybe a fresh re-spray/wrap and some replacement interior parts would be nice. She's earned it 🙏 all that aside, another great video Greg!
Great video. The ls swap is a cool thing in itself but the good 'ol boosted vvt you built is designed for that car V8 makes the car a little front heavy I imagine. Your car is tuned is crisply tuned weight is properly distributed and the drag tires grip. with 375+ hp over stock, she scoots . We appreciate your videos and sharing your knowledge and desire to be all you can be
Awesome video, and an amazing day at the track. Love seeing how that BP engine is going toe to toe with the LS3 V8. Nothing short of amazing. Thank you for the awesome video, and hope you had fun at the track.❤️❤️❤️❤️
OH NO HOW AWFUL, a brand new set of tires xD Awesome to see you running with the big dogs and even more amazing theyre giving the recognition you deserve💪. Now imagine if you had that macho man randy savage 1.6 liters of Pure demon essence in there!
That supra's suspension looks like its under a heavy squat when its stationary! Is it actually bottoming out on launch? Looks jank to me but I only have a street supra so I may be missing something xD
My dream swap for my miata is still a K20. Keeps the feel of a miata while making tons more naturally aspirated HP. Bulletproof Honda engine capable of much more with built parts or turbo. Most importantly, still keeps that 50/50 weight unlike the LS. I can't argue with the sound of an LS, though. The kid in me wants the LS, but the adult in me knows the K20 is the better fit.
Looks like you need a line lo k and more of those rpm thingies on your burnout. Second coolest Miata I've seen. The guy who threw a Miata body on his hellcat engine is my favorite.
Good match for the races with the LS! Front bumper of the blue car looks like it's melted or something though, not sure if that's just a trick of the light.
What duckbill spoiler did you use? I ordered one off ebay and it's garbage like sh!tty as hell. Put against the car and always 1 inch gap on sides. Fml
None of these cars are meant for the 1/8th... Just too much power and not enough time to reel in the times "aka traction issues" ... Would love to see a 1/4 mile comparison :) Glad you were able to line up and have some fun tho! That LS3 miata is nuts! Sounds so gooodddd! Was ready by November for my b-day to plunge on a K24 now I might just do a CA legal LS3 E-rod. Ughhh the supporting mods will suck tho, headers, trans, diff, subframe sigh... It'll be worth it though!
I love seeing the NA beating V8s and in my opinion its a bigger victory than the other way around. cant wait to get my 1.9L Miata running and the turbo dialed in... not looking for 500hp but 300hp would put a big smile on my face. Miata Dad FTW!
I went through four separate bp4w builds, including one very high power 3076R build, and now I've got the UZ I'm kicking myself I didn't do it earlier. Still love the bp's. But that low end torque is so good.
Those tail light covers makes miata look a bit better more acceptable)) And it went like your Miata has 0 tunings at all just a 75hp stock car)) And none of the next passes went right ((
I don't think so man, there's only so much power you can shove into a Miata before it's not really a street car anymore, I really think 400-500 is the limit, and even at 500 it's tough making any use of it at reasonable speeds. I do think a mean n/a LS Miata would be sick though.
@TheCarPassionChannel Hey Greg, would you mind explaining this a little more? Maybe in a video? We see some crazy street cars these days, like 2600hp vipers and such. What kind of limits does the miata have above 500hp? I've been thinking someday I'd like to rocketeer swap and eventually turbo, which has the potential for a lot of horsepower, and your response would help me figure some things out and maybe plan a little better. Appreciate you as always!
@@TheIrizarr A couple things to keep in mind - a 2600hp Viper is still making less than 4x the factory power, a 500hp Miata is making about 5x the factory power. Also, those cars can fit a ridiculously big tire under the fender. And anytime they're actually using 2600hp, they're likely on a race tire, on a racetrack. Or a race tire on the street, haha. When my car is on the drag radials like in this video, it can put down 500hp in 2nd gear, which means it could probably put down 600 in 3rd and 700 in 4th? Even more if I went to a bigger tire. But I'm talking about practical street use, like when I run on the AR1, a (sticky) street legal tire. It struggles to put down over 450 in 3rd, so if my car was 600+ but I could never use it, I don't really consider that "practical". And I'd need a bigger turbo, which means any time I'm not making 600hp, I'm dealing with lag that I wouldn't have had otherwise. Idk if all that makes sense, but when I say "street car" I'm basically talking about that balance between usable power, traction, etc. Of course I *could* street drive my car if it was 700whp, but not without dealing with the aforementioned compromises
@@TheCarPassionChannel 🤔so you're saying that on the street Miatas are primarily limited by the wheel and tire setup (size/compound/tread/legality). I definitely get you on lag and the downsides of going to a bigger turbo, was more so thinking of the theoretical limit and where that would be for a Miata on the street if you had unlimited options/budget which would allow for swaps rather than just turbo upgrades. I think I got my answer.
A few other questions this conversation prompted: What engine setup that fits in the stock NA Miata engine bay provides the most area under the curve/usable power? Assuming legality wasn't an issue or you were tracking the car, what would be the most performant wheel/tire setup to use in a Miata with the above engine setup? The answers would lie somewhere in the Miata track scene, if anywhere, but I don't know if anyone definitively knows and it would be interesting to find out.
@@TheCarPassionChannel Whoh! There are 3x throttle youtube channels all over 2mil subs? Maybe you should change your name to The Car Passion Throttle! 😜
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Those were some awesome races! Bet if you had a 1.6L in your car you'd smoke them both.
Stop that immediately 🤣 lemme get a piece of that Volvo 😈
I think miata das should go smoke the Volvo
@@TheCarPassionChannely’all won’t 🥱
this guy talking crazyyyyy
@@ThemcpeMaster53but, they did.
so much fun greg! Your miata is a RIPPER!
Hoonigan needs to hit Greg up for a this vs that. There already in the same state
I wishhhh
maan please do 1/4 miles 😅
Your 92 has come such a long way!! I am so glad you kept the Mazda engine ^_^
well this looks like a fun day! appreciate the dyno overlay comparing the supra's redonkulous torque curve to the miata's, and the data at the end of the video!
Crazy to see you over here, I love both of these channels even if the cars couldn't be more different
Idk the setup on that Supra but it aint it, that much lag for 800hp, all while falling off at high rpm, it's like worst of both world, with that much lag you'd expect a top end that's outta this world.
To be fair I'm not sure if that's even their best dyno run or their "final" tune, it's just what I was able to source from their channel. Their setup may be more optimized by now but it's certainly a good demonstration of why turbo selection for your application is so important. Makes a great drag car but probably not so hot for street use haha
@@TheCarPassionChannel Yeah it's very possible that flattening up top is it spinning on the dyno. But still it seems like it has too big of a turbo, and possibly not hot enough cams if that flat on the top of the rev range is real.
I laughed seeing the gauge hood wanting to yeet itself into your face every time you accelerate. Much like my old hood, the clips left the chat long ago.
Sure my paint is crap and I have some road rash but you can't see all the hard work and tuning I've done underneath. If your miata doesn't have any blemishes you aren't driving it! I'm still upset some vagrants cut my top and trashed my interior.
Honestly, just seeing old Miatas on the road all these years later still being enjoyed is enough for me. I've tried in vain to keep my 91 pristine and while it's really good compared to most, time and miles will inevitably accumulate battle scars.@@toadbroz30
Really hoping to see a Ginguim collab!
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Such an excellent matchup between the turbo BP and LS swapped miata. Very close racing. Both are fast Miatas
Love this video ❤ Great work as usual Greg 👌🏼
You guys really needed a 1/4mile track.. or better yet, an aircraft runway!
I'd like to see the red car get some much needed cosmetic upgrades next, Greg has focused solely on making it fast and functional which is sick but with this setup pretty well sorted maybe a fresh re-spray/wrap and some replacement interior parts would be nice. She's earned it 🙏 all that aside, another great video Greg!
Personally I believe she’s perfect the way she always has been ^_^
I quite like the sort of stock looking exterior. Plus for the traffic cops in California it helps avoid unwanted trouble.
@JamesChurchill3 not saying make the exterior stand out, just clean it up with like fresh paint and trim
BP BP BP!!! Good racing all around and TJ is a standup guy for the tires 🙏🏾
We are so proud of you Greg, you are living proof Miata is always the answer!! :-D
SELF BUILT MONSTER! Always stoked to see the the hard work pay off.
Why does the Supra have so much negative rake?
My man! You missed every F&F freebie quote racing that Supra! “Noo Monica”… “winning is winning”…
Man ya'll need to hit up a proper 1/4-mile track so you can really lean into all that top end power and speed. 1/8 mile is such a tease, too short.
Can't have a CPC video without some data! Keep it up Craig!
Car passion rig = Best rig babyyyyy
Great video. The ls swap is a cool thing in itself but the good 'ol boosted vvt you built is designed for that car V8 makes the car a little front heavy I imagine. Your car is tuned is crisply tuned weight is properly distributed and the drag tires grip. with 375+ hp over stock, she scoots . We appreciate your videos and sharing your knowledge and desire to be all you can be
They’re closer than you think. Especially with a turbo/ intercooler and piping on there.
@mcfero1 your probably right. Manifolds and turbos can add some extra heft on that little motor, along with the IC and pipes
Awesome video, and an amazing day at the track. Love seeing how that BP engine is going toe to toe with the LS3 V8. Nothing short of amazing. Thank you for the awesome video, and hope you had fun at the track.❤️❤️❤️❤️
Can you add a larger subscription option on your Pateron? I'd give more to make sure these videos never stop ❤🔥
OH NO HOW AWFUL, a brand new set of tires xD Awesome to see you running with the big dogs and even more amazing theyre giving the recognition you deserve💪. Now imagine if you had that macho man randy savage 1.6 liters of Pure demon essence in there!
Dude what a good set is races. Greg you have to have the best setup BP car I've seen. Sounds so clean, so wicked fast.
That supra's suspension looks like its under a heavy squat when its stationary! Is it actually bottoming out on launch? Looks jank to me but I only have a street supra so I may be missing something xD
I can’t believe you’re my son, Greg! I never knew what an impact taking you to the go carts, would have on you!
That dyno sheet comparison really shows why your Miata would be really fast on the street
I like it when the car just GOES whenever I want it to, haha. No need to downshift to pass.
My dream swap for my miata is still a K20. Keeps the feel of a miata while making tons more naturally aspirated HP. Bulletproof Honda engine capable of much more with built parts or turbo. Most importantly, still keeps that 50/50 weight unlike the LS. I can't argue with the sound of an LS, though. The kid in me wants the LS, but the adult in me knows the K20 is the better fit.
What is your po box. I swear to God i will send you a new gauge hood so we can stop watching it flop around in this videos🤣
Another Miata in the club how to swap LS3 what color do you think it will have :D
Don't do LS! It's an ok engine but it's no longer a Miata at that point. Sounds like a truck. 😢
Was this at Barona? I miss going there ever since I moved back to FL.
Not a shot at the VVT beast but there’s just something so bad@ss about a miata with v8 noises!!!
Turbo power baby! Showing everyone EFR>LS
greg, buddy, get a new gauge hood. sincerely someone that just bought one
Just buy a corvette rather than trying swap in a corvette engine and tranny in to a non corvette
Bro I fucking love it let’s go haha the Miata is a bad bad girl
Looks like you need a line lo k and more of those rpm thingies on your burnout. Second coolest Miata I've seen. The guy who threw a Miata body on his hellcat engine is my favorite.
did they melt the front bumper with that LS3????
Good match for the races with the LS! Front bumper of the blue car looks like it's melted or something though, not sure if that's just a trick of the light.
When are you going to come visit me and run my car at Sonoma or Sacramento?
Next stupid step - Water sprinkler for intercooler? :D
I’m just gonna say it …. chopped
Greg, you live in the hood lol I grew up around there!
Tried watching. Everytime i fast forwarded to avoid the annoying guy talking all i landed on was the annoying guy talking. Gave up.
👍 that's what the segmented timeline is for
You are the Mr. Miyagi of Mazda Miatas. A Mr. Miati if you will
What duckbill spoiler did you use? I ordered one off ebay and it's garbage like sh!tty as hell. Put against the car and always 1 inch gap on sides. Fml
My understanding is that it's a KGWorks/R-Speed spoiler, it's technically a replica but a legally licenced one that's sold in the U.S.
Exciting, exhilarating, and inspiring!
why didn't tj hunt bring his own slicks
Yo!!! That collab was insane bro!!! It was like a dream seeing you lined up against the fast and furious supra lol. Smoked him!! Monica😂
BP power!!!! Haha fuck yeah dude
those ripples in the tire Sheeesh
The intercooler mic is so funny
FndF decals will never look cool.
box looked kinda dry as well
Great vid, love the analysis!
I'm grinning the whole time watching.
The bp is more impressive
Great job and video
None of these cars are meant for the 1/8th... Just too much power and not enough time to reel in the times "aka traction issues" ... Would love to see a 1/4 mile comparison :) Glad you were able to line up and have some fun tho! That LS3 miata is nuts! Sounds so gooodddd! Was ready by November for my b-day to plunge on a K24 now I might just do a CA legal LS3 E-rod. Ughhh the supporting mods will suck tho, headers, trans, diff, subframe sigh... It'll be worth it though!
Now let’s see you guys race half-mile.
Even if the Supra bogged, it would be blowing by me well before the 1/4. I've seen it trap like 112-113mph in the 1/8 😭
Great content Greg 👌
I love seeing the NA beating V8s and in my opinion its a bigger victory than the other way around. cant wait to get my 1.9L Miata running and the turbo dialed in... not looking for 500hp but 300hp would put a big smile on my face. Miata Dad FTW!
Always look forward to more Miata content!!! Good job. Shit those V8 bois up. Lol
I went through four separate bp4w builds, including one very high power 3076R build, and now I've got the UZ I'm kicking myself I didn't do it earlier. Still love the bp's. But that low end torque is so good.
How many cracks can a gauge hood have? Greg's: yes😂
A few scars and faded paint is what a long-term project needs. Your Miata is still my fav on yt❤
Those tail light covers makes miata look a bit better more acceptable))
And it went like your Miata has 0 tunings at all just a 75hp stock car))
And none of the next passes went right ((
Goodstuff!!
Bro you live in Helena?! NFW that’s where I grew up!
I have no idea where Helena is 😅 sorry haha
San Diego bro, lol
Red lit is fine
"MONICAAAA!" 🤣
Goat of the Miata RUclips, love seeing u collab with tj, hopefully more to come!
Super cool, creg!
I’m here dad
Hey greg I have an 01’ with some turbo parts and loads of questions! Is there a way I can contact you for some help?
TJ needs a better rear, if not total new suspension. His car was hopping down the track. 😂
I believe all of these cars would benefit from more rear height, more travel, and slower compression.
Right on brotha , handing out some gapachinos me likey lol 😂 peace and love bro keep it rad stay safe and build on l8z fam n have fun
Someone get miata dad an unbroken dash/cluster hood for Father’s Day.
beast
Awesome
If you had gone LS, you’d have turbo’d it by now.
I don't think so man, there's only so much power you can shove into a Miata before it's not really a street car anymore, I really think 400-500 is the limit, and even at 500 it's tough making any use of it at reasonable speeds. I do think a mean n/a LS Miata would be sick though.
@TheCarPassionChannel Hey Greg, would you mind explaining this a little more? Maybe in a video? We see some crazy street cars these days, like 2600hp vipers and such. What kind of limits does the miata have above 500hp? I've been thinking someday I'd like to rocketeer swap and eventually turbo, which has the potential for a lot of horsepower, and your response would help me figure some things out and maybe plan a little better. Appreciate you as always!
@@TheIrizarr A couple things to keep in mind - a 2600hp Viper is still making less than 4x the factory power, a 500hp Miata is making about 5x the factory power. Also, those cars can fit a ridiculously big tire under the fender. And anytime they're actually using 2600hp, they're likely on a race tire, on a racetrack. Or a race tire on the street, haha. When my car is on the drag radials like in this video, it can put down 500hp in 2nd gear, which means it could probably put down 600 in 3rd and 700 in 4th? Even more if I went to a bigger tire. But I'm talking about practical street use, like when I run on the AR1, a (sticky) street legal tire. It struggles to put down over 450 in 3rd, so if my car was 600+ but I could never use it, I don't really consider that "practical". And I'd need a bigger turbo, which means any time I'm not making 600hp, I'm dealing with lag that I wouldn't have had otherwise. Idk if all that makes sense, but when I say "street car" I'm basically talking about that balance between usable power, traction, etc. Of course I *could* street drive my car if it was 700whp, but not without dealing with the aforementioned compromises
@@TheCarPassionChannel 🤔so you're saying that on the street Miatas are primarily limited by the wheel and tire setup (size/compound/tread/legality). I definitely get you on lag and the downsides of going to a bigger turbo, was more so thinking of the theoretical limit and where that would be for a Miata on the street if you had unlimited options/budget which would allow for swaps rather than just turbo upgrades. I think I got my answer.
A few other questions this conversation prompted:
What engine setup that fits in the stock NA Miata engine bay provides the most area under the curve/usable power?
Assuming legality wasn't an issue or you were tracking the car, what would be the most performant wheel/tire setup to use in a Miata with the above engine setup?
The answers would lie somewhere in the Miata track scene, if anywhere, but I don't know if anyone definitively knows and it would be interesting to find out.
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id rather a miata with rodknock & a cracked diff arm than drive with those lightbar headlights
Who wouldn't love to be standing by that carpassion rig🤣
Sorry if it has been answered in a previous video but what Fire extinguisher setup do you run on your harness bar?
Really interesting to see the torque curves of the miata and supra side by side!
It all makes sense!
BP is where its at. I know its against the ethos of the build but I wonder where would you hit the limit of the block with a bigger turbo.
Watching this before getting out of bed, perfect start for the day!
Good stuff! Can't wait to forge my BP.
This was a great analysis and props to TJ for buying you new tires :)
Love those wheels on the blue Miata. What exactly are they?
Time for a track day next, or maybe some time attack event. That would be fun to see :)
I need to see these two insane miatas take a little trip to Europa for some more roll racing
That’s exactly what I’m doing
You had some great launches! What fun 😃
The Car Throttle guys are over here in the states? Nice!
Throtl and Car Throttle are different 🙂
@@TheCarPassionChannel Whoh! There are 3x throttle youtube channels all over 2mil subs? Maybe you should change your name to The Car Passion Throttle! 😜
can't wait for the NC K24 swap ;p
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