SLIP TEST - Volvo V90 Cross Country D5 AWD vs Audi A6 Allroad 3.0 TDI Quattro
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Volvo V90 CC D5 AWD (2018)
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Audi A6 Allroad 3.0 TDI Quattro (2020)
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Haldex or torsen for the audi a6 ?
Torsen. Haldex wasn't used in any A6.
@@oyvindspangberg2737 No. There is no haldex in any A6: ruclips.net/video/h1bcgfUZcr8/видео.html
@@oyvindspangberg2737 Ultra quattro is not a haldex, though it is not permanent 4wd like torsen.
@@antoniosalsiccia5148 Quattro Ultra has 2 "clutches". The Ultra is similar to the Haldex system, but has a different design and is more efficient. Here you can see the two clutches: www.audi-mediacenter.com/de/audimediatv/video/quattro-mit-ultra-technologie-animation-3035
@@oyvindspangberg2737 hahaha... wait a moment: Hahahaaha.. kitchen is in different way, here's about cars only😂😂
4:11 I’ve never seen a car’s traction control system brake all wheels that where slipping simultaneously like on that Volvo. Very nice!
4:07
Volvo is currently really impressive in its 4wd and TC management. smooth and quick reaction. Now in some situations letting the wheels spin a bit can also be an advantage.
Serious ESP management
Volvo makes it look so effortless. Great job
Glad u tested v90. Been waiting long time for this car in your channel.😀
Surprised a Haldex system work this well when comparing to a Torsen, good job Volvo engineers, amazing tuning
Yes, its like a3 beating bigger Audies with "true" quattro systems
@@misa664 Real life test: Quattro vs .... ruclips.net/video/gm3nNof4cAw/видео.html
@@krystiansobkowiak177 more like bullshit test paid by Audi. No idea what tyres are on these cars, and suggesting Mercedes has more under steer than an Audi with completely fucked up weight distribution 😂😂🤦♀️
Ауди мощнее и по реальному бездорожью не сравнить Mercedes Volvo им куда далеко до Ауди про Mercedes я вообще молчу @@GinsengStrip-wt8bl
I'm an owner of a 2020V60 CROSS COUNTRY, I always thought Quattro was better but apparently I was wrong. The Haldex system in my Volvo just as good maybe better. I live just north of Boston, can't wait for a big blizzard didn't have one last winter!
on rollers.. maybe is better that pseudo permanent awd fwd, but in REAL, for snow or slippery conditions, that allroad will be at lightyears better.. check it.
@@napraznicul you should probably check it. SMH :)
@@deverenfogle3201 i checked every winter, when i climb until 1720m rolling on forest road, which are snow covered. I use a torsen t2 permanent awd system and usually those which use that garbage "awd BADGE" -permanent FWD for supermarket shopping..need to be helped to pass many sectors. That if they dare to try climbing until end of the road, but that is hapen rarely, most of them leaving the cars at 1200m.
If your tires are crap,as they usualy are in most people's cars,you may have a sorry winter.
@@deverenfogle3201 he is true.
Again, a test that is pleasure to look at. No dramma, no pain, just systems doing their things. No instant reactions, but just good enough.
Some hiccup in audi in auto mode, but otherwise both cars performed well.
This summer I sold my 90cc diesel (looks identical to this one). Although I loved it, I expected it to lose against Audi in this test purely on German reputation. That said, I went to Switzerland, Italy and Austria for winter holidays and I was blown away by the performance in the snow. On couple of occasions we were the only ones moving over snow covered mountain passes (Michelin). Effortlessly at that. We had 500 km of snow covered autobahn too, not a single problem. I should also mention that the drive shaft, all axels and the haldex were replaced in the first two years of ownership 😬Thanks for the test.
Why the drive shaft, axles and haldex were replaced? Was it under warranty?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers They were replaced because I noticed vibrations around 30 and around 130 km/h, also when accelerating. Everything was replaced under warranty, it was a new car. In the first year, I had axles and driveshafts replaced, in the second year the complete haldex was replaced. After that, I had a year and a half without any issues.
ruclips.net/video/709NxU-e3vw/видео.html If you look at the surface of the water in the bottle, you can see the ripples indicating a problem.
@@NemanjaPantelic Such things shouldn't happen in new cars, especially in Volvo but anyway it's good that everything is fine :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersBut, unfortunately they do. The buttons in the boot for folding rear seats were not connected from the factory. Must have been a Monday morning car :) Now I have a Tesla which is also exciting to own in this regard.
Volvo!Volvo!Volvo!
Volvo for life!
Volvo сделал то, что не может сделать ни Прадо ни Паджеро Спорт 3. Это достойно уважения. Когда я увидел 3 ролика под колесами - я был уверен что но Volvo ни Ауди не справятся с этим. Ауди далось это с большим трудом.
Volvo просто поразила. Это новый УРОВЕНЬ работы awd!!!
в предудыщем видео хс70 и аллроуд ,вольво это не прошла испытание =0)
@@rustamsalakhetdinov3413 к чему обсуждение др.авто?🤦♂️🥴😏
Took a new V90 Cross Country on a 1 week 2k mile spin. I'm sold.
What were your impressions about awd system?
on some dirt and gravel driveways and paths I found the v90 T6 effortless and surprisingly capable. Om the highway, very smooth and soft... not to mention the luxury.
Bardzo fajny kanał- tak trzymać!
Dzięki!
Volvo - power!
Спасибо!
What you see again and again: smooth Audi Torsen Quattro with actual force distribution in 0 ms between front and rear. Fantastic! This makes it very active on the road. The Volvo with hang-on system all-wheel drive is well programmed.
0 ms only front/rear and only up to TBR ratio. Here much more is needed so actually both cars must rely entirely on electronics - in such case haldex is much faster.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That's right. Whether Audi wants to go fast is not known at all. Smoothness is the key. Every manufacturer has his own ideas here. I can only say from experience that in the right terrain the electronics work very well in combination with the mechanics from VW /Audi /Mercedes. The rollers are nice to look at what happens, but they miss the reality a bit.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yesterday I have tested an Q5 45TDi (3L TDI 231 HP / 500 Nm)) with Torsen Quattro and a BMW X3 3.0d xDirve (265HP / 620 Nm) on a wet grassy hill. The Audi reacts totaly schmooth, the BMW reacts with harshness if you interlock it (front left and back right is no grip). Both cars drive up the slope, but with different reactions.
Then we tested the acceleration of both cars on wet roads. According to the data sheet the BMW needs 5.8 sec and the Audi 6.7 sec, so the BMW should be clearly faster. It should also be significantly faster on wet roads. But this was not the case. Up to 40 km/h the Audi was even slightly in front, up to 140 both were equally up, only after 140 km/h the BMW pulled away. Why? At the start, the front axle of the BMW had to fight for traction. The xDirve system could only react after it detected the loss of traction. Disadvantage of every "hang-on-system". On dry roads, the BMW is programmed in such a way that the Launch-Control Start is 100% successful. If the conditions change, the system is at a disadvantage. When going to Audi there was no noticeable loss of traction - because the distribution of power happens in 0 ms. Both cars have identical weights (we weighed about 2t).
We waiting for snow and test again - but then it depends a lot on the tires. Let's see... :-)
@@KCKNV If Bmw system could only react after the loss of traction was detected it only means that system is reactive, not proactive. All up to software. It should do exactly the opposite - always start with awd engaged and disengage it only in certain situations.
I also understand that both cars had the same tyres. If not - no serious conclusions possible.
PS. What version of xDrive was that? "Classic" one or "Ultra" one?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That's what it does. It has been programmed for dry road. The xDrive does not know it is wet. So the power distribution is initially 50:50 (or 60:40 rear/front for BMW?) until it notices that there is no grip on the front axle due to the wet road and it distributes more power to the rear. At that point the Audi is already in front. The same thing happens with the Tiguan on the rear axle (we also tested 240HP TDi 4Motion). Also a reactive system. Pro-Active only works under one condition and that is usually the dry road. That is still the advantage of the Torsen Quattro, it is pro-active and reactive at the same time and it doesn't matter if it is wet or dry.
Volvo AWD is great 👍
Вольво очень даже хорошо справляется !👍
У Вольво пожалуй одна и лучших имитация блокировки
You just see clearly from this test how much better and efficient the Subaru system is.
you should watch the comparison of the v90 vs the outback. Same result as here... V90 is better, and more efficient with more power.
@@deverenfogle3201 I sold my V60 CC and bought an Outback. All well and good sticking cars on rollers but in real world situations on snow and ice (and mud) where the surface is constantly changing the Subaru is far more capable.
If only it is just not the opposite about its engine.
Nigdy nie rozumiałem fenomenu audi i ich napędów. Jest to tylko stara legenda z rajdowych modeli, jednak jak widać chińskie volvo wypada lepiej od niesamowitego napędu Quattro.
Jeżeli się przyjrzeć bliżej rajdowej legendzie, to Audi zwyciężało tylko i wyłącznie z samochodami RWD, co więcej - w 1983 przegrali mistrzostwa z tylnonapędową Lancią. Natomiast z konkurencją 4x4 udało im się wygrać jeden rajd.
This is why my next car it will be Volvo V90 D5 soon :)
Try Subaru ;)
V90 rocks! Sweden engineering is The best!
Hahaha, not Sweden but China.
@@xklient4175 V90 is manufactured in Sweeden. Only S90 - in China :)
@@SilentWarriorEU The volvo owner is Geely - chineese company (Zhejiang Geely Holding Group) 😂
@@xklient4175 yes but as written previously they are designed engineered and manufactured in Sweden. Geely was very smart in letting Volvo be Volvo rather than like Ford try to form it into a Ford factory producing fords.
@@AlexKall maybe in Sweden but owner is from China and company money, strategy and quality is from China to, Geely company decides everything.
Volvo
Volvo lost this competition completely... Volvo is garbage.
@@kordaxmint533 how 🗿
@@kordaxmint533 especially in safety. Volvo sucks now because of Geely
@@AndreiAndrei-rt4po OK i disagree volvo is still one of the best safety brands out there and geely imo has helped volvos quality a little bit
@@kordaxmint533 as an audi fan im going to say that volvo won hands down but on this channel audi never seems to win so idk
Can you testing a6 quattro vs rs6?
Same car but diffirent trim level maybe interesting.
yea
All up to volunteers :)
Volvo
Sure, we can test it. Please contact me via Facebook if you use it.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers FB/StacjaKontroliTrakcji ?
@@SilentWarriorEU facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji
Before you sound like an ignoramus and insist that the A6 now comes with Haldex, read this. The 3.0 Diesel comes with Torsen and 8 speed auto as engine is over 500Nm of torque, 2.0 and 3.0 gas have ultra with 7 speed s-tonic dct. Ultra is not the same as Haldex. Ultra is not even made by the same company (ultra is made by magna powertrain while Haldex is now made by Borg Warner). Also, ultra is only for vehicles on the MLB Evo platform (so not transverse engined models as these would be MQB vehicles with Haldex if AWD) with engines producing 500Nm of torque or less that also come with the s-tronic transmission. That is why the A8 still uses Torsen, as even though the base engine has 500Nm or less, it uses the 8 speed auto and ultra is not made for this transmission. Quattro ultra features 2 clutches to disconnect the propeller shaft from the drivetrain and therefore disconnect the rear wheels. The first clutch is mounted in the transmission tail shaft. There is also a claw clutch in the rear axle differential to disconnect the right rear half-shaft and eliminate unnecessary rotation of the differential ring gear. These two clutches are required to facilitate the cessation of rotation of the propeller shaft. This eliminates the parasitic drag from the portion of the drivetrain rear of the transmission. When in FWD mode, the only portion of the drivetrain rear of the transmission that will rotate is the differential bevel gears, the half shafts, and the wheels. Obviously no drive torque will be applied to the rear axle. Haldex also features a clutch, but it is mounted ahead of the rear axle differential, not behind the transmission. As a result, when the rear wheels of a Haldex vehicle are not engaged, there will still be parasitic drag losses as a result of friction and the rotational inertia of the propshaft.
Fajny teścik, kto by pomyslał ze volvo wypadnie tak👍👍👍😉
No współczesny haldex elektronicznie zepnie naprawdę szybko, jednak w drogowych warunkach torsen będzie zawsze lepszy. No może poza większym spalaniem
After watching few of these you start to pick up the tactics for torque transfer when they apply brakes on the wheel thats slipping on the same axle as the wheel with grip. Volvos system seems exellent on that area... Its really simple procedure to compensate the lack of an lsd
@Martin Svensson I suppose its the style of manufacturers in some level. In the xDrive vs quattro winter test the bmw shined on the curves even with TC on unlike the audi which had its braking kick in at every corner killing the fun... As seen on other videos the Volvo too seems to be agressive on situations where you are trying to have fun by cutting the power which can also lead to catastrophic understeer. It might be the future of awd variants to have a button for it when your stuck to activate the extreme torque transfer braking.
So what I meant at first that the volvos system is exeptionally responsive with the torque transfer but it might not be best for all situations of everyday driving
@Martin Svensson Similar system is present in Xdrive BMWs since mid 2000's. EBD(Electronic Brake Distribution) in combination with ABS making them (in theory) able to shift 100% power on a single wheel. Having BMW X3 myself I can tell its not gonna do miracles, but it does help a lot in certain situations.
@Martin Svensson The xdrive seems to do well on these sort of tests too but the v90 is just faster and reacts with less throttle input compared to bmw and audi. I have no doubt theyll get going irl too cause the roller set up is exeptionally hard with zero traction and the hole the slipping wheels sit in
Prefer Volvo but I'd be happy with either in my drive.....especially now in wintery Canada
Volvo!
Can you test a TUAREG 2005
All up to volunteers...
Stark tro på Volvo )
Synd att Volvos växellådor är efterblivna bara.
For the money, I'd say that the 3-1 test you performed a few weeks ago on the Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.7 V6 in lock mode is near the top of the list...if I don't see positive engagement in 1-2 seconds, then I think the engineers have more work to do to replace the mechanical LSD
Actually Grand Vitara worked amazing in 4L LOCK. But it also did great in 4H LOCK.
I guess the manufactures watched your videos and force their electronic systems only to pass these tests 😁
I don't think my tests are so important 😉 But we never know, I was pushed once to delete the video...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers oh really?! 😰
@@b.s.7693 Yes, it happened once.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers which manufacturer?
@@imperia777 Toyota. Actually it wasn't manufacturer but one of European representatives. The problem was with comparison of Rav4 Hybrid vs Rav4 petrol. Luckily hybrid version belonged to private user, so it is still on the channel.
Hello! I still want you to test Ssangyong Actyon - the first gen. I know its rare but still I hope You'll find it. Cheers!
Hello, unfortunately I still couldn't find it 😐
Longue vie a VOLVO
Would love to see a 1st gen. Volvo V70 Cross Country give it a try. Volvos 1st AWD car.
If you have one - come for the test!
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for the invite! If I were close I would! Love these tests!
@@letterappelmoes4105 Thank you! 🙂
Best car on this chanel is the magic Opel Insignia .
Volvo
Interesting... in a weird sort of way. Do tyres come into the differences?
As long as tires on pavement do not slip, they do not influence the test.
Wow!
Volvo Haldex is best anti-spin.
V90
Plz do these tests with some big range rover like velar or sport
All up to volunteers...
What kind of AWD does the Volvo have? Is it also something like torsen?
Volvo has haldex.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers wow, thanks for that very fast reply! :)
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First comment love from India 😁😁
Thank you, love from Poland!
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ❤️
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Volvo won that one, I'm impressed!
Ciekawe jak na ten test przełożył by się sportowy tylny dyfer w A6 z dodatkowym sprzęgłem hydraulicznym na każdą oś?
Bez różnicy. Sportowy dyfer nie działa jak lsd (nie zmniejsza różnicy prędkości obrotowych pomiędzy kołami), działa dokładnie odwrotnie - zwiększa tę różnicę (nadpędza tylne zewnętrzne koło w zakręcie aby niwelować podsterowność).
Quattro (torsen) 👍
I am very like Volvo Wagon V
Driving up a real winding steep road would tell more
Not in comparison between different cars, you need a controlled setup like this where everything is controlled equally between the cars.
@@AlexKall Haha if you drive op a several km winding icy/snowy mountain road with different cars, the comparison is fair. Plus you get sooo many different aspects of real life. But of course, is more costly + time consuming to do.
Nice! Fiat 500x?
No volunteers so far..
brand and dimensions of the audi's rims?
Unfortunately I don't know 😐
In real life bad road conditions quattro torsen will perform better, and last longer.
Dajcie test A6 C6 Allroad ciekawe jak wyjdzie tam jest jescze prawie sama mechanika.
Jeśli masz taki samochód, to zapraszam na test. C6 u podstaw ma ten sam układ, co powyższe Audi, czyli torsen + EDL. Oczywiście inne generacje.
Audi з торсеном класс, але в цьому батлі Вольво з халдексом почувало себе легше
Не важно торсен или халдекс, в первую очередь на таких авто это работа электроники. ВАГ на текущей MLB-evo к сожалению ликвидировал блокировки как класс.
Test jest tak wykonany żeby quattro przegrało choć
Fizycznie nie
Powinno to być możliwe , dlaczego Volvo miało próbę bez
Esp a
Audi nie ?
@@adrians5355 Jeśli dobrze pamiętam, to w Audi włączenie trybu offroad wyłącza ESP. Nie bawimy się w jakieś ustawianie testów, żeby ktoś wygrał czy przegrał.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers nie wyłącza , mam allroada
@@adrians5355 Zapraszam na test, powtórzymy z wyłączonym ESP.
Jednak Volvo, ale tak czułem przed obejrzeniem.
Mam Volvo v90 CC w takim wlasnie koloerze i juz mialem pisac ze Audi lepsze .....az tu nagle przyszły 3 rolki i Audi sie 🤧🤖
Quattro sucks?? On 3 wheel test
Does that Audi has a Torsen or Quattro Ultra?
Torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Is there a rule for Audi fitting a Torsen or Quattro Ultra?
@@scu549 I don't know any certain rule but nowadays almost all petrol versions (A4, A5, A6, A7, Q5) have Quattro Ultra.
why people don't buy volvos much?
Great cars!
Please do a test with old Mercedes G please please please :)
I will if I find one 🙂
Чет ауди вообще разучились авд делать
Quattro tyle krzyku hałasu a przeciętne napędy na 4 dają mu rade
Какой же все таки АУДИ красивый автомобиль!!!
the most "alloroad" audi was C5...
🙏🏿🙏🏿👏🏿👍🏿
I would really like to see: G-wagon vs. Range
Three diff locks in G-wagon. What are your expecting to see? :)
@@valdius85 Perfection....
Volvo is better despite it's older.
Volvo 4 ever
V90 cc
Volvo kosztuje 60/70% tego audi a radzi siebie wyśmienicie
coold you make one with Audi Q7 3.0 tdi and a volvo ?
I will if I find it 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I own a 2012 Q7 180kw and I saw that insignia and volvo are better than audi a6🙈
I am afraid quattro is overrated 😄
@@gratzy1989 Come to us for a test 🙂 Q7 has kind of unique type of Quattro, we made description of it on our Facebook 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers All O have is youtube, no facebook no instagram. I live in Romania🙈 If you can‘t find one for your test , maybe this summer I will take my family on a trip to Poland✌🏻
Also everyone I know, would like to thank you for this content, it is unique and really honest!
@@gratzy1989 Thank you very much! If you come to Poland, let me know, I am on a South of Poland, close to Slovakia. If you don't use Facebook then you can find this description also on my RUclips, on social (society) board 🙂
Testy testami, podjazd pod góre czy w śniegu, dać dobre opony, quattro jedzie, reszta stoi. Sprawdzone nie raz.
Jeżeli mowa o reszcie 2WD, to oczywiście tak.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers mowa o 4 wd w autach osobowych. Nie wypowiadam sie o terenówkach bo nigdy nie miałem. Troche aut już audicą z zasp wyciągnąłem, 4 wd też także quattro nadobrych zimówkach jest naprawde ok.
ruclips.net/video/GUgGAnO8Wj0/видео.html
@@xklient4175 Oczywiście, że jest ok, ale stwierdzenie, że tylko Quattro jedzie jest zdecydowanie na wyrost, tym bardziej, że rodzajów Quattro jest sporo. Tak jak i innych, świetnych układów awd.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Oczywiscie ze nie tylko quattro, zasada działania pomiędzy niektórymi z tych mechanizmow jest niemal identyczna, wiec jak moze byc tylko quattro. Dlatego pisałem też o oponach :)
quattro best... xDD
volvo better
Where are all audi fanboys?? Haha making fake audi forever videos
Real life test: Quattro vs .... ruclips.net/video/gm3nNof4cAw/видео.html
@@krystiansobkowiak177 Krystian, you are a driver, watch carefully all the trickery in the video you linked 😉
i thought that A6 bit V90, but I wrong.
Now, how does the result of this artificial test translate into real life driving experience? It is seldom that you have 10 times more traction on one wheel. Hanging on two wheels is the worst case scenario in rough terrain, but one wheel? And most of the time you just need good traction on snow, stability in corners, neutral behavior when accelerating and braking with the engine. That's where Audi or Subaru may still be better.
That's correct, one wheel with full grip and three wheels with zero grip is just a test situation. However - that is not an unusual situation in real conditions when three wheels are spinning and fourth is not due to resistance/grip it has.
Some videos about testing:
Tests on rollers vs real world situations: ruclips.net/video/926i0zqteXE/видео.html
Tests on rollers - WHAT DO THEY SHOW? How to interpret the results? ruclips.net/video/ntxgFjaX9HM/видео.html
Volvo is the better Car.
Volvo 👍👍👍👍👍
the audi has to turn the steering wheel to get going, isn't that cheating a bit?
No, exactly the opposite :) Here is an explanation: ruclips.net/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/видео.html
Non of this is legit or real unless you test the exact same tires
Tyres do not influence this test at all.
Volvo однозначно
Volvo better all around
Just audi
Volvo V60 cross country myliter tank the best
What about real snow and ice???
Ice, especially black is very similar to rollers. Snow may be very different (deep, mild, slush etc.) so it will be different in each case.
Real life test: Quattro vs .... ruclips.net/video/gm3nNof4cAw/видео.html
If it fails on those rollers, it would fail on ice. If the situation is the same. Traction loss is traction loss
Booth was pretty bad I m still impressed by Opel insignias score.
cross=X country=C - > XC
ok
Und nun ?
What exactly are you asking about?
вольво просто топ
Strasznie wysoki profil opon te offroadowe kombi mają
I bardzo dobrze :DDD
Всё, пошёл покупать VOLVO ☝🏻🤔
the volvo driver is much better, too.
Ауди жопа?
I hope you guys manage to test Forester e-boxer one day :)
I realise the chances are low, since there might be only few driving on Polish roads :)
I was shocked to learn how long it took Subaru PL to bring new gen Forester to Poland. It's in the USA for few years now...
Saying that, the old Outback is still sold in Japan :)
We are trying to find one. In a meantime video of 2019 2.0i is coming next week 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
As a future owner of a Subaru, I wish there is some Subaru dealership owner in Poland who has balls big enough to invite you in for testing. :)
It's such an easy comertial for them.
@@valdius85 We had a deal with local dealership for wide video with professional cameras etc. A few days before the tests we were blocked by Subaru Poland.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
I'm very disappointed at Subaru Poland. :(
They have done similar things to TFL in the USA after they shown how the CVT cuts power down.
Subaru often seems too emotional. To bad, as they still have a lot to prove, especially in the EU.
Also, the models on the Subaru Global Platform offer very good value for money for people who want good AWD. At least in Japan and USA the prices are very competitive.
I like the Forester but I think there is something seriously wrong with the management.
I also try to be realistic towards the brand and I have a list of things I'd like to say to the main management... mostly to grow a pair and to start acting like a traditional Japanese company. :)
@@valdius85 I don't understand this decision to. I thought they blocked it cause actually they have their own ramp and rollers but no promotionial video was ever made with that.