This was a good video that's why it ranks high on the search results for this procedure. Too bad we don't know if this battery is as long lasting as the originals in terms of jump start uses per charge. My original battery is showing me that it won't hold a charge as lying dormant as good as it did for the first few years. So decided to check if I could replace the battery, how much it would cost, and which battery should get (so many knockoff junk batteries for sale online) This video is how any video should be done at the very least!
I'm also curious whether the baked in Lead Acid trickle charging circuitry in the old jumper is going to work properly with a Lithium battery (with the appropriate BCM attached to it - obviously it would be a terrible idea otherwise) Does the light ever turn green, or does the box supply voltage to the Lithium BCM continuously, with the BCM rejecting charge once the battery has hit capacity? Does it bring the Lithium battery all the way up to full charge? Does the battery get warm/hot to the touch during charging? Is the discharge capability of the LiFePO4 battery suitable to the AMPS needed during a jumping operation? Have you managed to cycle it a few times successfully at this point? Thanks!
_The original lead-acid battery lasted you thirteen years, and if it works as well as mine does, you can jump-start a dozen cars, leave the charger in your car outside for six months without recharging it, and even on a cold winter day, it will still jump-start a car or two! I tend to recharge mine once each year. On the other hand, the lithium battery is indded lighter, and maybe it's better at one start when fully charged, but the original charger with its original battery can stil perform better in many real-life situations. Long life, and long-term storage without having to recharge often are two very important characteristics of the original lead-acid battery!_ 🔋 - j q t -
I had to go the other way. I went from the threaded posts in the original units battery, to a new battery with the spade terminals. The problem is theres limited room to smoosh those cables around when going from one connector to another. You can probably force it but be careful bending the jumper cable terminal or it will break easily. And I had to purchase two small bolts when putting in the new one. Also I found its easier to prop the battery upright when connecting and disconnecting the terminals. Then gently set it back in once connected. Mine did not have double sided tape, just foam cushion pads.
I watched your videos on this jump start system, I also own one and replaced the batt in my JNC660 with a Lip04 20 amp hour battery. The issue here is lead acid batteries are fully charged at 13.6 volts and Lip04 batts are fully charged at 14.6 volts, this unit won't fully charge the batteries due to the charging limits of the JNC are for lead acid, but still for the most part the unit works fine for normal jump starts. You can charge the battery with a Lip04 charger, I have been thinking of just charging it through the jumper cables on the unit since its a direct connection but have not tried that yet. I just thought I would let you know the difference, so many people think the lip04 batteries don't hold a charge or capacity as specified, well charge it correctly and it will provided the rated specs of the battery if it's of good quality.
I did this replacement on my battery box and charged it for 5 hours and the light stayed red. The voltage meter read 13.6v which is what the battery owners manual stated to be fully charged so I unplugged the cord.
Since you install the lithium battery doesn't it have to be charged with a lithium charger? And does it have the cold cramping amps to start up a car? Do you have to swap the battery with the same amp hour? Great video!
this battery has charging logic and discharge logic built into it. So It is fine using a standard charger on it. discharge logic limits it to 50A, so in some conditions its not as strong as the lead acid that came out, but it is enough to crank a vehicle with a weak battery. Ive proven this in a follow up video.
Thank you the video, Pat! I’m looking on doing the same replacement to my jump starter. Can you still rely on the auto shutoff when charging the battery, or do you just keep manually checking the battery voltage reading until it’s full? How long is your typical charging time?
I can never get my cables on or off the unit without a fight. I feel like I am going to stress the cable and it might come loose. Should it be like that?
When storing the cables around the case, try not to "stack" the cable clamp over the previous cable wrap, should be enough space to go side by side if that makes sense. And hopefully I understood your question correctly
Did this work? I just converted my jump pack with a lithium lifepo from ebay and it wont jump start a car. It does say on the battery that it can't be used for jump starting. I dont know why it wouldn't work.
Did it test okay? Able to start a car without any other battery connceted in parallel? Original battery could prob push 150 to 300A but the BMS in this lifepo4 one might limit it before the car can start..?
Also how much was that battery because the amazon link you put is not available. did you pay $100 for a battery? I almost considered selling my old one and buying a new one because these weren't expensive new.
Awsome! I have a 200$ freaking noco jump box. The thing melted where you plug in the charger and I'm sure battery is shot. I need it all the time but refuse to buy a new one
I have not had any issues. This particular LiPo battery has internal regulator/chip inside the battery. I have several videos on this jump box, feel free to check the other ones out too
The lithium battery doesn't quite jump start as well due to the internal circuitry that limits the output amperage... but it works as more of a low battery jump start, not like a fully depleted jump starter if that makes sense
@Patman03sprcrw As in, if a 12V car battery is completely dead, this doesn't work very well, but if a 12V car battery is simply low and won't start, this mod will still work?
Hey Pat, first off forgive me in advance. I was just forced to watch the video with no sound. I’m sure you answered this question but, the battery that you pulled out wasn’t lithium was it? Just worried about the charging situation considering there is no battery management system for the new battery.
It's essentially a trickle charger built into the jump box. The battery manufacturer claims to have built in charging logic as well that prevents over charging and over current discharge. So technically there are two levels of charging logic/safety I'm using. And as always I won't leave a battery charging unattended, for just good shop practices.
Charging circuitry and methodology is entirely different for lithium ion vs lead acid. Though I appreciate the ingenuity, as others have expressed concern, I'd strongly urge an understanding of the potential danger before doing this suggested replacement.
@@Patman03sprcrw I did provide factual information. As I factually stated "Charging circuitry and methodology is entirely different for lithium ion vs lead acid." You're welcome to do your own research, there is plenty of info out there. I am a for real EE who has been designing battery and power systems for many years. Perhaps you reverse engineered the charging circuitry in the JNC660, and know that it provides the correct power curves, voltage, temperature monitoring and conditioning for charging lithium batteries? If so, I'm all ears ;-) I didn't say what you propose wouldn't "work" (in quotes, because "work" is subjective, what you may consider "work", others may not), and it may...but it may not. I simply suggested people do some research to make sure that what you are suggesting people do is in fact safe, as it is just a fact that improperly charging lithium batteries can be potentially, well as you say, dangerous. Far more so than lead acid batteries.
If the lithium battery has its own bms wouldnt that suffice for cutting off the original dumb chargers small amp power input? Id imagine the original jump box charger actually wouldnt fully charge the lipo battery as its less max volts. As an EE could you see a way to make this safely work?
You are distracting looking to the right and not directly in the camera. So how did the change over work? You never showed us anything after you converted to LIPO... bummer!
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This was a good video that's why it ranks high on the search results for this procedure. Too bad we don't know if this battery is as long lasting as the originals in terms of jump start uses per charge. My original battery is showing me that it won't hold a charge as lying dormant as good as it did for the first few years. So decided to check if I could replace the battery, how much it would cost, and which battery should get (so many knockoff junk batteries for sale online) This video is how any video should be done at the very least!
The nice thing about Lithium is they are more forgiving for dormant storage/infrequent usage compared to AGM or Lead Acid battery
@@Garandmasthumb what did not last? The original battery or the diy replacement?
Yup, I bought a new replacement battery for my jnc660 and it was good for about a month tops. The original lasted 2 years
I'm also curious whether the baked in Lead Acid trickle charging circuitry in the old jumper is going to work properly with a Lithium battery (with the appropriate BCM attached to it - obviously it would be a terrible idea otherwise)
Does the light ever turn green, or does the box supply voltage to the Lithium BCM continuously, with the BCM rejecting charge once the battery has hit capacity?
Does it bring the Lithium battery all the way up to full charge? Does the battery get warm/hot to the touch during charging?
Is the discharge capability of the LiFePO4 battery suitable to the AMPS needed during a jumping operation?
Have you managed to cycle it a few times successfully at this point?
Thanks!
I have a updated video that will address most of these questions, but sounds like I need to add a bit more to my video.... thanks for the comment
Interesting. They sell ALL the parts if needed and I love the customer service.
Do you know what the CCA of the replacement battery is?
_The original lead-acid battery lasted you thirteen years, and if it works as well as mine does, you can jump-start a dozen cars, leave the charger in your car outside for six months without recharging it, and even on a cold winter day, it will still jump-start a car or two! I tend to recharge mine once each year. On the other hand, the lithium battery is indded lighter, and maybe it's better at one start when fully charged, but the original charger with its original battery can stil perform better in many real-life situations. Long life, and long-term storage without having to recharge often are two very important characteristics of the original lead-acid battery!_ 🔋 - j q t -
I had to go the other way. I went from the threaded posts in the original units battery, to a new battery with the spade terminals. The problem is theres limited room to smoosh those cables around when going from one connector to another. You can probably force it but be careful bending the jumper cable terminal or it will break easily. And I had to purchase two small bolts when putting in the new one.
Also I found its easier to prop the battery upright when connecting and disconnecting the terminals. Then gently set it back in once connected. Mine did not have double sided tape, just foam cushion pads.
Awesome work, thanks for the detailed explanation of your process. Thanks!
I watched your videos on this jump start system, I also own one and replaced the batt in my JNC660 with a Lip04 20 amp hour battery. The issue here is lead acid batteries are fully charged at 13.6 volts and Lip04 batts are fully charged at 14.6 volts, this unit won't fully charge the batteries due to the charging limits of the JNC are for lead acid, but still for the most part the unit works fine for normal jump starts. You can charge the battery with a Lip04 charger, I have been thinking of just charging it through the jumper cables on the unit since its a direct connection but have not tried that yet. I just thought I would let you know the difference, so many people think the lip04 batteries don't hold a charge or capacity as specified, well charge it correctly and it will provided the rated specs of the battery if it's of good quality.
Thanks for the comment!
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I want to know about charging the Lithium battery. Does the green light come on when the Lithium battery is fully charged?
I did this replacement on my battery box and charged it for 5 hours and the light stayed red. The voltage meter read 13.6v which is what the battery owners manual stated to be fully charged so I unplugged the cord.
I've had the green light come on, but usually unplug it after it been charging for a little while
Since you install the lithium battery doesn't it have to be charged with a lithium charger? And does it have the cold cramping amps to start up a car? Do you have to swap the battery with the same amp hour? Great video!
this battery has charging logic and discharge logic built into it. So It is fine using a standard charger on it.
discharge logic limits it to 50A, so in some conditions its not as strong as the lead acid that came out, but it is enough to crank a vehicle with a weak battery. Ive proven this in a follow up video.
Thank you the video, Pat! I’m looking on doing the same replacement to my jump starter. Can you still rely on the auto shutoff when charging the battery, or do you just keep manually checking the battery voltage reading until it’s full? How long is your typical charging time?
What screw bits did you use to open the case? They look very long and I'm not sure if the screws are Phillips head, hex, torx etc. Thanks.
I believe they are #1 Phillips (going off of memory)
I can never get my cables on or off the unit without a fight. I feel
like I am going to stress the cable and it might come loose. Should it be like that?
When storing the cables around the case, try not to "stack" the cable clamp over the previous cable wrap, should be enough space to go side by side if that makes sense.
And hopefully I understood your question correctly
Thanks. I took your suggestion and I was able to get it on. I still do feel the cables should be an extra 30mm longer.
@@NextLevelAutoDiagnosticsLLC you're welcome. glad I could help
May I ask what battery can I use to replace for JNC 1224? I would love some help, looking for a cheaper alternative
link in my original video
Did this work? I just converted my jump pack with a lithium lifepo from ebay and it wont jump start a car. It does say on the battery that it can't be used for jump starting. I dont know why it wouldn't work.
it works, but output amperage is limited. I've got two additional videos on this topic if you wanna check it out
@@Patman03sprcrw Thanks for replying
Most likely your battery has a 20 amp bms cutting off for over current discharge.
@@mboemmels thanks
@@mboemmels my battery is listed at 50A maximum discharge
Did it test okay? Able to start a car without any other battery connceted in parallel? Original battery could prob push 150 to 300A but the BMS in this lifepo4 one might limit it before the car can start..?
Also how much was that battery because the amazon link you put is not available. did you pay $100 for a battery? I almost considered selling my old one and buying a new one because these weren't expensive new.
I think I paid about 80 bucks per battery, but dont know for sure. Might have just gotten lucky tho?
Awsome! I have a 200$ freaking noco jump box. The thing melted where you plug in the charger and I'm sure battery is shot. I need it all the time but refuse to buy a new one
you're welcome!
Will the onboard charger have any problems with a Lithium battery vs a lead acid?
I have not had any issues. This particular LiPo battery has internal regulator/chip inside the battery. I have several videos on this jump box, feel free to check the other ones out too
Did the green light come on to show it was fully charged?
eventually yes it does
@@Patman03sprcrw Thanks
How much ?, it is no longer available on the link .
I think they were about 80 bucks at the time I ordered
How has this worked out for you? Any issues? I am seriously considering doing this mod to my JNC660.
The lithium battery doesn't quite jump start as well due to the internal circuitry that limits the output amperage... but it works as more of a low battery jump start, not like a fully depleted jump starter if that makes sense
@Patman03sprcrw As in, if a 12V car battery is completely dead, this doesn't work very well, but if a 12V car battery is simply low and won't start, this mod will still work?
@@ZBrink11 bingo!
Hey Pat, first off forgive me in advance. I was just forced to watch the video with no sound. I’m sure you answered this question but, the battery that you pulled out wasn’t lithium was it? Just worried about the charging situation considering there is no battery management system for the new battery.
It's essentially a trickle charger built into the jump box.
The battery manufacturer claims to have built in charging logic as well that prevents over charging and over current discharge.
So technically there are two levels of charging logic/safety I'm using.
And as always I won't leave a battery charging unattended, for just good shop practices.
Charging circuitry and methodology is entirely different for lithium ion vs lead acid. Though I appreciate the ingenuity, as others have expressed concern, I'd strongly urge an understanding of the potential danger before doing this suggested replacement.
I appreciate the comment. If you'd like to provide actual information I'm all ears, and not just "Lithium is scary/dangerous"
@@Patman03sprcrw I did provide factual information. As I factually stated "Charging circuitry and methodology is entirely different for lithium ion vs lead acid." You're welcome to do your own research, there is plenty of info out there. I am a for real EE who has been designing battery and power systems for many years. Perhaps you reverse engineered the charging circuitry in the JNC660, and know that it provides the correct power curves, voltage, temperature monitoring and conditioning for charging lithium batteries? If so, I'm all ears ;-) I didn't say what you propose wouldn't "work" (in quotes, because "work" is subjective, what you may consider "work", others may not), and it may...but it may not. I simply suggested people do some research to make sure that what you are suggesting people do is in fact safe, as it is just a fact that improperly charging lithium batteries can be potentially, well as you say, dangerous. Far more so than lead acid batteries.
If the lithium battery has its own bms wouldnt that suffice for cutting off the original dumb chargers small amp power input? Id imagine the original jump box charger actually wouldnt fully charge the lipo battery as its less max volts. As an EE could you see a way to make this safely work?
@@mboemmels bingo ;)
Same charging power in new battery
Yes, used original charging equipment with the JNC jump box
now chunk the old one in the ocean
Obviously, because the electric eels and and the sting rays need to be able to recharge too
You are distracting looking to the right and not directly in the camera. So how did the change over work? You never showed us anything after you converted to LIPO... bummer!
Sorry I'm not a 'pro youtuber ' . I have two other videos about this topic detailing test use, and further discussions about it
Replacement lithium ion batteries are a severe fire hazard.
Yes, good thing that he used a LiFePo4 battery. They are much safer than Lithium ion.
The batterry he is using are WAY safer than lithium ion.
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