Bad Cinderella Is One of the Musicals of All Time
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2023
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Why do I feel like this is what you get when a bunch of 70 year olds ask themselves what Gen Z would like to see in theater
It feels like they saw much teens liked Beetlejuice and Six but had no idea how to replicate that sucess beyond "teens like tiktok and slang"
This is like the kind of musical that would've been killer right after Shrek released and everyone wanted to dunk on Disney/ fairytales
Honestly the whole thing of “everyone has plastic surgery and is therefore sooooo fake” is incredibly outdated and would have either been kinda stale in the heyday of Shrek or aged like milk.
@@luthientinuviel3883 this is how I felt about &Juliet though..I really wanted to like it but it made me cringe 😬
because… it is?
i feel like bad cinderella would have been a hit on tumblr in like 2014
(derogatory)
More like a hit in 1998 when "deconstructed"/ "post modern" fairy tales were just becoming a thing. This is Walmart brand Wicked after all.
@@jonathanbowers8964 I feel like ALW saw Into the Woods and then spent 20 years trying to figure out how to do that
@@metamaske6328 Considering how Phantom beat Into The Woods for best musical back in the 80's, this feels like he was trying to fill the void Sondheim left after his death/attempting to ride the coattails of the (at the time, recent) Into The Woods revival.
No people had taste in 2014 i promise
haven't watched the video in full yet but your thesis statement is correct, Bad Cinderella is in fact one of the musicals of all time
I myself love when she said "I'm your Bad Cinderella" and then she Bad Cinderella'd all over the citizens of Belleville.
"...there's no rapping. That's a level of restraint they knew to have." I cackled out loud when you said this! I really did expect it to have at least one terrible rapping part.
I remember hearing this quote from the channel Musical Hell in her review of Descendants 3: 'Unless you have Lin-Manuel Miranda on your payroll, don't make your characters rap!'
@@amandalynn4979 Don't do it even with LMM. I don't like his style at all.
@@Aster_Risk he raps like someone who likes rap but doesn't understand how to rap so instead he attempts at fast-talking. he, specifically, has a bad voice too so idk how they make it through demos without laughing
It's so funny how they decided that the town called her "Bad Cinderella" to give her a mwan nickname.....when...."cinderella" already is a mean nickname! It's Ella + cinders, cuz she had to sleep next to the fireplace and would get cinders on her face
'Cinderella' IS the moniker given to her by her stepmother and stepsister, her real name is ELLA.
'Cinder' comes from the fire cinders she cleans up in the fireplace.
It's also ALREADY a rude nickname! He could have just updated it to Dusty Crusty Mop-water Ella but then he couldn't hide all the reviews calling it bad
Originally she was called Cinderslut.
@@thekneesbee Dusty Crusty! Haha omgg
If they changed her name to Ashley they could call her Ashy or something. A dumb pun name. It’s not like the evil stepsisters are very clever.
Yeah literally her nickname is Dirtgirl but everybody forgot that it's just a nickname...
Loving the genre of youtubers using tiny paper versions of the characters to tell the story of bad Cinderella . Has it only happened twice so far? Yes. But i love it nonetheless.
Also did not expect a middleditch and swartz reference
Me too!!!!
Thank you for this comment bc I was seriously questioning whether I had already seen this video before 😂
@@liesbeneathoureyesmm nk😊😊
"which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice"😂
I sat in the orchestra, her transformation was literally just the wig. I didn't catch the part about it "wearing off" at midnight and i was SO confused. You truly found more plot and made more sense of what was happening than the show was capable of doing
I was also confused by this until he explained it just now.
That sounds like it belongs in a parody. Like, I would expect that from Dewey Cox or Popstar.
still hopeful for the 10 years later sequel called Worse Cinderella
Then 10 after that : Worst Cinderella
10 after that: I know we said last time was the worst, but this time it really is the Worst Cinderella
We may make fun of the premise, but maybe they're onto something! Can't wait for next year's "Pescatarian Little Mermaid"
And insomniac sleeping beauty!
Both of those actually make sense to me.
@@hopefulstarfish7559 yeah, both of these are actually ideas that could lead to something interesting or genuinely funny.
Welp, now we have brown Snow White and the 7 average height people (because we didn’t want to offend people 😃)
someone let me know that youtuber ashley norton also used paper cutouts in her video. i hadn't seen it, and if i had, i wouldn't have copied her. honestly it's a good way to show a show you can't show, so i'm not surprised multiple people did it. she made a great video that is a way deeper dive into who andrew lloyd webber is and all that happened with the west end production, if you want to watch that you can here! ruclips.net/video/rvU8173saNw/видео.html
It’s ok
If anything this Ashley probably has nepotism from being in the Norton ™️ family😅
just one of those moments that will go down in history when two geniuses independently invent something revolutionary, no big deal
thanks for addressing this harry! ☺great minds must think alike
both yours and Ashley's videos are great! as someone who knew absolutely zilch about Bad Cinderella beforehand, they were both very entertaining
@@julienorcross8548 'addressing this' like he said a slur
The paper puppets have "doing something weird instead of my homework" energy and I love it
"But if I dramatically changed my appearance, like let's say my whole face changed or my hair changed colors, i would probably want to address that" followed by a cut not addressing it is truly the most 𝓑𝓪𝓭 way to address it
On proshots: every Broadway show is actually captured via proshot. Ever since 1970, every show on Broadway has been professionally recorded for the national archive. These recordings are actually stored at the NY Public Library, and can be watched by certain residents at the library for research purposes. So us not getting to see them has nothing to do with them not existing.
BRB I need to figure out what kind of book I can write so the library will let me in to watch proshots for research purposes.
"Saying any two-syllable word with both syllables stressed is a NIGHT MARE." This got me bad.
I got into Bad Cinderella because I'm a Carrie Hope Fletcher fan. However. It is not good. Cinderella is a shallow "not like other girls" and while the story has a lot of potential, they fumbled the bag so hard
"Not like other girls" really does just perfectly sum up Carrie's whole online personality
Pickmiella
@@Lex_brooke How so? I went and checked out her channel and idk her interests and style dont rlly appeal to me but I feel yours is a bit of an unfair assessment. I think with the popularization of terms like "nlog" and "pick-me" and so on they have broadend in such a way that any woman with even just slightly untypical hobbies can and will be categorized as such.
An nlog, to my understanding, is a woman who performatively proclaims and/or performs their separation from and superiority to other women and traditionally "female interests" for male vaildation. And idk? Is she doing that?
Ig you can feel any typa way about her, I dont really care, but I also think we should be more considerate when using these terms. They were conceived of to call out misogynistic women and strengthen female solidarity but now seem to be used mostly to make fun of anyone deviating from the norm in any little way and that sucks
It's the most 'I'm not like other girls' that ever been done. It's even more dated than the animated one. I mean Disney's Cinderella actually doesn't care about the prince. When she's at the castle she's looking away from him. While this Cinderella goes out of her way to go to the ball to meet the man she already likes. While putting down any woman she comes in contact with.
“Can’t copyright these pipes” yes you tell ‘em 😤
I have not seen a copy of the Broadway run but I watched a slime tutorial of the West End production. And in that version the reason why they hated Cinderella was heavily implied to be fatphobia because she was played by a plus sized actress. And so now there's all this weird subtext that doesn't go anywhere in the Broadway version.
I don't see "Bad Cinderella" as a bad title because it incorporated bad, I see it as a bad title because all I can think of when I read that is "I'm a bad widdle Cindewella" and I can't take it seriously for a second.
missed opportunity to sing “I am Sad Cinderella 😔” during one of her ballads
The whole thing with the one stepsister being like “we could have been friends but YOU, Cinderella, were so awful that I never reached out”… I felt like yelling “YOU CAN’T JUST SAY STUFF!!”
In the West End version when she damages the statue, she adds like a feather boa and a bra or something to it... so when then it is revealed that the prince is gay, well.... I guess that's why they avoided her doing too much to the statue on Broadway.
Disappointed there's no scene where everyone in the town steps forward and says "I am Bad Cinderella" a-la Spartacus--I mean, Radio Rebel
I’m like… 100% sure this is the exact plot of Barbie in Swan Lake
Lol, I loved that movie
except that movie is actually good LMAO
your vid on diana is legitimately one of the most devastatingly funny things i’ve ever watched. im so excited for this one lol
On the diversity thing... idk I feel a little strange about two attractive non-white leads being called ugly, though there are other non-white actors idk feels a lil icky
this happens too often
They changed how much it referenced Sebastian being ugly to Sebastian being too quirky~ from West End but it still just..... doesn't work imo.
wait- is he deemed as ugly?!?!
@@ClaudetteVioletta He was originally. Lyrics and book have since been changed a little so everyone instead finds him super boring… but also ugly. Which like. Folks? Y’all need your eyesight checked?
That always happens in films and shows. ‘Ugly’ characters being played by people who are very much not ugly.
I was about to be sad that you weren't gonna use footage then you pulled the puppets out. A masterpiece, 10/10.
Also, I watched Ashley's video first and I think it's great to watch both. Her video is about the British production whereas yours is about the American, so there's enough differences in the content for me (and honestly one more paper puppet show is only a good thing in my book)
As a former NYC theatre worker (wardrobe sup/dresser), solidarity to you. I remember the announcement that a show I was working on was closing in just a few weeks. When I'd taken the job, ticket sales had been extended and we were supposed to have at least a year, but one bad summer had us unexpectedly out of a job. We had a crew meeting where they handed out info pamphlets on how to apply for unemployment, and that was about it as far as compensation or trying to help us out post show-closing. That was the last show I worked on - after that, I didn't want to keep being ground up in the grist mill. Switched to a desk job and haven't looked back 🤘
I think things like detail about plus-sized citizens could work, if they made an effort to cast Sebastian and Cinderella to be conventionally unattractive in some way. That way the theme wouldn't be entirely superficial. As it stands its feels like a pretty awkward gesture towards a much more nuanced topic (real world beauty standards, body shaming etc.) in a show that otherwise exists in entirely in simplistic hollywood logic.
I wonder if they felt proud with how clever the town was named. As if no one knows 'belle' means 'Beautiful' in french.
also I LIVE for these musical videos. Your Diana one is actually one of my comfort videos lol!
i really hope "does anyone have anything mean to say" was a middleditch and schwartz reference
"bad cinderella" is one hell of a dhar mann nickname if i've ever heard one. awesome video as always!!! i really enjoy the deep dives into musical theatre productions that sure do exist. also this is probably another weirdly niche reference but the line "taunt me and tease me" at 12:27 sounds weirdly like a minor key version of "lofty and wendy" from the fuckin bob the builder theme song
hahaha it does
I love you and Ashley Norton. Clearly the only solution is a Collab about musicals! ... Please?
I’m down 💃🏻
@@ashleynorton this is MY multiverse of madness
@@ashleynorton you can make puppets and sets together 🥺
What happened to the West End cast reminds me a bit of how the original cast of Carrie the Musical in the 1980s (half of whom relocated to Broadway from the UK for the show) were left out to dry.
(Wait in the Wings has a video about the trainwreck that was Carrie the Musical. And there's a podcast about it Called Out for Blood)
Both of these shows are fever dreams.
The moral of the traditional Cinderella story is remaining kind and hopeful will ultimately lead to good things. Hearing what this musical does with the title character where she essentially insults someone who every believes to have died and then saying that she doesn’t care that everyone calls her a “wretch or a witch” and even seems to indulge in that idea just seems like a middle finger to what the original story was all about!!!
Making a traditional underdog character abrasive and unlikeable is… you’re not really doing the vibe of your show any favors, Lord Andy.
i will throw you into a bouncy castle i love you this is exactly what i am saying
I saw ALW's Cinderella here in London, and I really enjoyed it. I remember thinking "oh my gosh I actually enjoy something Andrew Lloyd Webber for once." It was campy, and ridiculous, but like it knew what it was about, and I think succeeded in a lot of ways. Obviously there were things to fix, but it's remarkable how instead of like ironing out the creases, they just put in so many worse creases. For instance, on the West End the statue was spray painted tons of different colors, so it was mega vandalized, Cinderella's costume was substantially different than everyone else's, so she stood out, and also to your note about size inclusivity, the Cinderella and the main alternate were both pus sized actresses. Also, I don't know if this was removed or if it just wasn't mentioned in this video (the wiki page for this show doesn't talk about what the script changes were, just that there were changes) but it seems like the whole plot point of why the wedding is happening at all was removed, that it was because Prince Charming was supposed to get married on that day, and they already had the wedding planned, so to get better town PR the queen decided Sebastian was gonna get married. Which like gives more reason for him randomly showing up at the end. Anyways, it's been something my friends and I have talked about how they changed the name to Bad Cinderella, and as everyone has said, literally just made it very very bad. Also based off the clips, it is so weird to me how the directors who directed the West End version also directed this version, because it seems completely different in tone. I'm just baffled on this whole show, and ALW really dropped the ball on something that could have been really good, but at the same time I ask myself, should I be surprised? ANYWAYS! Sorry for such a long comment, I loved this video, and I look forward to more videos of yours about theatre! As a theatre person myself, I'm loving this type of content, and you're crushing it.
The London show was already super misogynistic but I'm glad you were able to ignore that I guess
Wasn’t the London show fatphobic towards its leads and already wasn’t good? Yeesh
Im very curious to know, could you tell us more about the differences between the UK version and the USA one?
After knowing that ALW's son had cancer and recently passed, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt when he didn't visit the show's last day on the West End. Maybe he was with his son?
I prefer the paper doll show, (even your singing) to seeing bootleg filmed scenes from the actual show!! I'm so here for it!! GREAT JOB😉
Musical Proshots are still not that common in the UK but non musical plays have been ahead of the game for years over hear including event where every cinema either livestreams or more commonly plays an unrealised pro shot simultaneously. After a while they go onto a dedicated streaming services that have over a decade of HD backlog
Those events happen in the US also, mostly with plays and operas. It’s musicals that rarely get them, because it’s significantly more expensive in the US to film pro shots, due to unions and equity.
Not even really into musical theatre like that, but I love these videos. Waiting for you to blow up in the commentary community 🤘
"hi it's me cin-der-el-la, i know i look diff-rent"
i know its a fairy tale but the plots that can be solved with a conversation are so frustrating!
I’m bad Cinderella, I’m sad Cinderella, and sometimes I can be mad Cinderella
i need more musicals remade with card cut outs, it’s so funny 😂😂
I would 100% watch that Camelot adaptation where they can only eat crunchywrap supremes.
there is a terrible book series im making a vid about (this is not my main) called the uglies and it’s very similar where everyone gets plastic surgery but it’s a middle grade or ya dystopian so it’s definitely a little different
that’s literally what I was thinking, like did the musical rip off the series?
@@hazelsingh3887 i was thinking the same thing?! out of all the dystopia why uglies tho (no offense if you like them they used to be my favorite books)
honestly, from the description of the play, the Uglies series does way more interesting things with the world-building, at least
@@magpieroost so true like the uglies world is not the worst for ya
Honestly the idea that plastic surgery is a Bad Thing that only Very Vain People do is… well, it’s never been accurate. The earliest plastic surgeries in the 20th century were to help WWI veterans who came home from war with horrible injuries, and expanded into gender affirming procedures in subsequent decades. There are a zillion reasons for people to get plastic surgery other than “I want to conform to a very specific beauty standard”.
i was hoping and praying and sacrificed my firstborn so you would make a video on Bad Cinderella
the ritual is complete
“Hi it’s me Cinderella I know I look different” to the tune of the title song got me so good. Almost done with the video but you have got my sub! Well done.
i have absolutely no interest in this musical but i cannot stop watching as much media about it as possible, ty for your contribution
it took me way too long to realize the orchid is made of lego
Bad Cinderella feels like one of those cash grab YA bestseller novels that have the same plot from the early 2010s with the "I'm Not Like Other Girls" protag.
re: no rapping
cats used to run with a rap version of rum tum tuggers song to stay "hip" 💀 he got a matching wardrobe change complete with chunky chain necklaces and everything (it did not last long lol)
Those cut outs were actually great! An artist AND a RUclipsr?! What’s next a great singing voice?? Oh wait!
Now I wonder; what was the plot in the UK version? I'm so curious to know, because even watching the Carrie Hope version it feels a little better, or could it be that Carrie is that charismatic
tysm to draco malfoy for this video
when I watch your videos I feel the same way I did watching Chad Chad right when she started and she was at like 30-40k subs. Proud to say I was here before you hit 100k (and prob 1mil one day)
DUDE I feel the same
I was in NYC watching some Broadway shows just last week and my mom pointed to Bad Cinderella to ask if I wanted to go see that. I laughed and was like "not even remotely". I really didn't know much about it, but what little I knew told me it would be horrible. And honestly, what is with all the terrible, uninspired Cinderella remakes lately? Leave her story alone for awhile. Cause this is clearly not working.
But on a positive note, this video is amazing! Loving the paper dolls.
Imagine if like a full stanza into the sad ballad about my prince got married and im sad the prince walked in and the song just ended. That would be like the only genuinely funny bit in the whole fucking show
my cat really enjoyed the paper doll theatre you put on
The puppet retelling was genuinely so entertaining I’m glad you didn’t use actual footage! All of their little poses and outfits were A+!!
dude I found your channel months ago and i am obsessed with your humor. you have very much drew gooden vibes I think that’s why I like you so much, I can’t wait to see you grow a bigger audience
mmm... Drew Gooden also bleached hir hair recently. Dude what's going on.
I KNOW i saw he did it like a day or two after me i was in shock
ALW made Carrie Hope Fletcher cry! Boo this man!
All I can say is when I saw it last month, watching it I was just...baffled... the whole time felt like a strange fever dream, every time i felt like i got a grasp on where the show was going, i would get hit in the face with slang, characters or line deliveries that would confuse me all over again.
The most unbelievable part about all this is that they have an actual conversation and communicate enough for everyone to understand what's happening, no miscommunication, no misunderstanding. I don't believe this. Unrealistic. I want my money back. A couple, *communicating*????
I had heard of this musical but I genuinely thought that "bad" was a descriptor youtubers were using I didnt realize it was the actual title
OK, you have earned yourself a subscriber, from one theatre professional (marketing) to another. You're the kinda dude I would love to get coffee with and talk shop if we lived in the same city. Hope this blows up as much as your Diana vid did!
I love these videos, the musical theater commentary we deserve
I’m convinced ALW either owed someone money and/or was contractually obligated to pump this show out. No way do I believe that he thought this was gonna be his swan song.
He totally thinks people should like it if he says so; he is really out of touch to say the least.
He is rich. That explains it.
this is my first time ever commenting on a youtube video bc i just had to let you know i love how much you enjoyed making the paper cutouts and i did backstage musicals in high school and was so grateful that Hamilton brought theater to the forefront of media and i appreciate you covering musicals on your channel! never change pony boy
so happy to stumble upon this video!! me and my mum went to see the show twice while it was in london, one of those being closing night. that letter from alw was INSANE to witness in person. i vividly remember the whole crowd booing a couple times at least, the upset from the audience was palpable, and the cast members reactions were just so sad to see. i genuinely wish all the staff involved in both productions all the best, and thank you for covering it 💜
Your new hair looks really adorable!! And I'd love to see you make more videos about musicals in general, even musicals that you love!
I love the use of puppets to portray the show! I’ve seen one other influencer also do that and I think it’s genius, I eat it up every time lmao
Your paper doll actors are delightful.
also I'm not rly into theater but I love these videos from you bc you obviously care so much about musical theater and it rly comes through and I feel like I learn a bit about the production side of things while watching but am also so thoroughly entertained because you're just fucking hilarious, so keep up the great work I guess lol I love it no notes xx
I love u. I love this. Thank you so much for acting it all out this is perfect
This is as rewatchable as a Jenny Nicholson video. This is my fourth time through. Kudos!
have been waiting for a video exactly like this thanks
yyyyeah... "Cinderella magic except it's plastic surgery" absolutely should have stayed in the drafts. wtf is going on
This is a great video! thank u for making it
I do not have the chance to watch musical very often but I do enjoy them, so seeing you go over more of them is great! While I have comments about bad cinderella I enjoyed your video and am happy it was brought to my attention lol
This is amazing!! Please do more!!
cinderella is already a mean nickname 😭💀
Really enjoy your musical commentary videos!
I saw Bad Cinderella in previews and somehow your review made it sounds better than watching it actually was.
i feel like they could have easily had actual conflict by making the fairy godmother be secretly getting people addicted to plastic surgery, like it already feels set up by cinderella getting work done and IMMEDIATELY being like "wow this is so cool actually". or maybe i've watched repo the genetic opera too much
I appreciate all the work put into this. And you make so many silly sounds, I love it so much, you are soooo funny, sir!😂
your cut out props were so good!!!
so happy that the algorithm and my affinity for mt commentary brought me here. keep up the great work 😊🤞
Honestly this is the best and most entertaining theater commentary I’ve ever watched! It was funny and told the full story of the show! Thank you!
i thought you were like three different commentary youtubers when i saw this video in my recommended. but great video! absolutely loved it!
incredible production as always, harry
Cinderella is even already a mean nickname. She's "cinder" Ella because they make her clean the fireplace and she gets dirty.
somehow you have topped all your other videos with this one LMFAOOO this is perfection
I was waiting for your videooooo 💗💗
More long videos! You make my day, Harry! Yes on the new hair, too!
i rlly liked ur diana video and i loved this one too!!! pls make more theatre commentary (if you want to do that ofc)
I know nothing about theater but I love watching videos about it and when you brought out the character puppets...I knew it would be great
I love your content so much! This video is fing hilarious, as someone who was a musical theatre kid for a very long time (19 years) your shit is legit amazing! I am manifesting so much success for you.
Your video about Diana the musical is one of my favorite videos on RUclips I’m so happy rn