Thank you for stating that I was going to ask a question , like how much influence does the positioning of the work lead have on the end result' Very few welders think about the direction that the current takes , and very few speak about the phenomenon called "arc Blow".
@@Bo2xpro generally speaking any angle that allows the slag to deposit on the bead is good I do like to pull the puddle not push But vertical you have to push , but gravity help you to control the slag
With all due respect it's nothing to do with the fitup, but to do with Jed's pushing his rod into the slag. Never seen anyone in downward position pushing instead of dragging which is the proper technique, and this is why he's got slag inclusions. and it would never pass any tests.👍
@@jonmcgill533I’m positive fit up plays a massive factor but of course there’s many other things that affect the weld quality. I guess thanks for you ur insight but I wasn’t asking.
@@allonjones840 When you make comments your open to comments coming back at you. For what its worth I do agree with you about the fit up been extremely important. I wasn't questioning that I was questioning his direction of travel with the electrode. Meaning if its slag you drag This is what I have issue with, to me and many others the direction of travel he was welding in was totally wrong and I stand by that. Thanks for the reply
But from another angle they should know what LH means if they are reayly trying to be a welder or they should for sure know what it is if they are welders
@leterbuck2001 im a journeyman red seal welder I always try to educate and not rip on people who don't know or are just learning we all started somewhere
One thing you forgot to do is grind up your baseplate and the edges of your Ibeam . By doing that you also get a nice clean weld with out spatter..... That’s how I do it in Australia 🇦🇺 🤪🤪🤘🤘
Your rod angle look like you were pushing the electrode instead of dragging it. I usually drag the rod toward me and hold it at a 75 degree angle. This way I can see the workpiece and get good penetration. Get more arc shots next time. The most important part of welding is the timing and electrode to work gap.
You should probable consider using the OSH mandated PPE if your going to teach welding. Its can be over a 1000 dollar fine...never mind hoodie. Teach them right if you lose an eye you cant weld...
I’ll be honest, most pipeliners that I’ve met and been around are arrogant human beings that come in to your town and think they own the fucking place. But you guys seem to pretty humble and all around good guys. I would be honored to work side by side with you guys.
So question bro, I'm from New Zealand working as a rigger welder (iron worker) we follow Australian standards for welding (aus/nz standerd) why do you push with 7018? I was taught when it slags you drag. Also on that I'd personally weld the inside of the beam as one weld, why do 3 separate welds? Iv always said there's no wrong and right way it's upto what the welder feel comfortable with and the end product...
From the old retired contract welder you left handed son take you a 6gr 7018 uphill with the restriction ring now that's a test and run it your puddle from right to left it'll come out better. I was left handed
LOL….Pipe welders talking about structural. FYI f the newbies the majority of structural is done with FCAW NR232 but most of these pipe guys don’t know how to run it. Unless your going to be a pipe welder this is pretty much useless.
hahahaha......pipe welders only know stick using 7018 and 6010, FYI to the new welders nobody ever uses stick for structural steel welding in the field because it takes for ever and is not cost effective, 99.9% of structural is done using FCAW. The only time you will ever see stick on a building is for the decking and that.s it.
@@davidnieto936 depends what region you're in. Here in Chicago the starting pay is 50% for apprentices which is about $24 an hour plus your benefits. Once you go down to southern states, the Unions aren't as strong (Republican run states) and the journeymen make less than or equal to Chicago vicinity apprentices. It's a great career I've been a union ironworker for over 20 years and worth it for me.
That "bow" is the throat. Based off of the leg length, your throat is WAY too big. Excess convexity. Thats a weld fault = failed weld! If you push all your passes, they would never stand up to a structural plate test! But whatever, each to their own
Jacob Schofield true but when you welding structural pieces it’s a different world from downhill pipe welding but you being the Pro you are I’m sure you know the difference . Just saying to us that Weld Structural all day long instead of pipe pulling is the way to go ! Keep up the good work but god Damn Where is Bob 😭🙏🏽💯
These guys cant be serious?......have a look at those finished welds....I would be Fired if that was my finished product....never stop start in corners etc......
Thank you for posting an interesting video. There's no such thing as stopping learning, or trying out a new technique if you're interested in your subject, or wanna do a better job.
vman318 the lad is trying to pass on helpful information & technique here, don’t criticise his accent ffs, go to half the counties in the uk & you won’t understand half of what they say but there all speaking english
jed your technique is wrong you are using a MIG welding technique in stick welding the pool is in front of the electrode not behind it. just one more thing try using one hand to manipulate the electrode you are not alone from what i have seen on you tube in using two hands.If you where on piece work or paid by results two handed welding would slow you down,one hand for the job and one for yourself ,cold go on but i will be sounding like a old fart
Never tack, start, stop, or connect a weld in a corner, why? Because it is almost impossible to remove all the slag and if x- rayed you WILL have slag inclusion thus failing to weld to standard. How to avoid this? Start your root knowing you must weld through all corners before breaking arc and plan accordingly.
what do you mean? isnt the slag gonna be the same if it was in the middle of the bead or of it was in the start/finish :/? and some people told me to tack the ends so It can absorb more heat. but can you please explain, thanks :D
You can start the wrap around first. And run the bead to tie in and if you're good enough with tie ins it won't be noticeable it'll look like a complete bead.
I believe fillet welds do not get x-rayed and full pen moments get visual inspected under 3/8 thick and over would be the xray inspection per aisc standards for structural welding.
Fillet welds do in fact get x- rayed. In addition, a visual inspection is a totally separate issue. That stated , welds can be deemed a failure if not to visual standard and/ or if a failure to x- Ray inspection depending on weld criteria needed.
@@johnw.peterson4311 From my own experience as an ironworker those are the rules we follow for the jobs I've worked. What kinda fillet welds do you weld that get inspected with xray curious.
Exactly what i was thinking. "Pushing "🤔🤔 i mean you can but... And also to get rid of the spatter you just got to lower your amperage slightly. Guys out there that think they can just crank it up and burn it in. Go right ahead but there is such thing is the perfect amperage,rod angle , and arc length. Of course travel speed to. But the heat is all part of it to
When we weld on buildings u set your welder and run your leads sometimes 2 - 3 floors. You learn how too weld all positions at the same amperage. Now shop welding obv is different
lol you push a 7018? then you show us your weld with all your cold laps, I would be shitting myself if i knew you welded any structure I was in. You should be a mig welder.
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Thank you for the advice. I very much appreciate it 👍👊
The spatter is from arc blow. You can move the ground accordingly.
Thank you for stating that
I was going to ask a question , like how much influence does the positioning of the work lead have on the end result'
Very few welders think about the direction that the current takes , and very few speak about the phenomenon called "arc Blow".
I don’t ever remember seeing any pushing a rod. I was told when there’s slag, you drag
Pushing the rod into the metal.
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@OVERCAPITALIZE I think he means at 5:15 he isn't draging the rod to him, he is pushing
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@@sloaneisenbart9347 I instantly visualize Beetlejuice when you say his name lol
Left handed welders 🙌🏼❤️
Left handed love!!! Every weld team wants one. Makes it so no one has to run switch handed.
Not many of us out there
Chris Lona real welders are ambidextrous ;)
Joshua Marcotte all welders should be ambidextrous so no one has to worry when looking for one
🙌🏼 right here
You should do a review video of MagnaGas from Taronis Fuels. I'd love a good comparison from your perspective.
Im a left and right hand welder. I personally like to drag my rod than to push. I get better results. But that is my way
Lucio Diaz same here
Same
I do the same
People call 7018 drag rods cause that's more of a correct way to do it. You can push depending on scenario. Such as vertical up.
@@Bo2xpro generally speaking any angle that allows the slag to deposit on the bead is good
I do like to pull the puddle not push
But vertical you have to push , but gravity help you to control the slag
We can all agree that if your gaps and fit ups are rough you’re gonna have a tougher time. I appreciate these guys for making that clear.
With all due respect it's nothing to do with the fitup, but to do with Jed's pushing his rod into the slag. Never seen anyone in downward position pushing instead of dragging which is the proper technique, and this is why he's got slag inclusions. and it would never pass any tests.👍
@@jonmcgill533I’m positive fit up plays a massive factor but of course there’s many other things that affect the weld quality. I guess thanks for you ur insight but I wasn’t asking.
@@allonjones840 When you make comments your open to comments coming back at you. For what its worth I do agree with you about the fit up been extremely important. I wasn't questioning that I was questioning his direction of travel with the electrode. Meaning if its slag you drag This is what I have issue with, to me and many others the direction of travel he was welding in was totally wrong and I stand by that. Thanks for the reply
It's better to be specific and say "7018". Not everyone knows that L H means low Hydrogen.
But from another angle they should know what LH means if they are reayly trying to be a welder or they should for sure know what it is if they are welders
All 7018 is low hydrogen
@leterbuck2001 im a journeyman red seal welder I always try to educate and not rip on people who don't know or are just learning we all started somewhere
Pipeline terms bud
Yeah, well it pushing the low hydrogen.
One thing you forgot to do is grind up your baseplate and the edges of your Ibeam . By doing that you also get a nice clean weld with out spatter..... That’s how I do it in Australia 🇦🇺 🤪🤪🤘🤘
I like how you wrapped your lead cable. Is this helping with magnetic blow.
That's a back yard welding. That would not pass any welding structural test..
Your rod angle look like you were pushing the electrode instead of dragging it. I usually drag the rod toward me and hold it at a 75 degree angle. This way I can see the workpiece and get good penetration. Get more arc shots next time. The most important part of welding is the timing and electrode to work gap.
that's bad practice it is possible to trap slag like that.
You should probable consider using the OSH mandated PPE if your going to teach welding. Its can be over a 1000 dollar fine...never mind hoodie. Teach them right if you lose an eye you cant weld...
I’ll be honest, most pipeliners that I’ve met and been around are arrogant human beings that come in to your town and think they own the fucking place. But you guys seem to pretty humble and all around good guys. I would be honored to work side by side with you guys.
Never ever seen a stick welder weld away from the body before (when you don't have to), looks very strange and awkward.
I think it looks weird because he is a south paw. I’m left handed and I stick weld right to left
Quite the speaker, those toastmasters classes are shinning through. Great job.
So question bro, I'm from New Zealand working as a rigger welder (iron worker) we follow Australian standards for welding (aus/nz standerd) why do you push with 7018? I was taught when it slags you drag. Also on that I'd personally weld the inside of the beam as one weld, why do 3 separate welds? Iv always said there's no wrong and right way it's upto what the welder feel comfortable with and the end product...
Facts I always drag
I'd say the same I push in all positions stick and kig
What on earth?? You ALWAYS drag stick.
Keep making more structural weld videos super helpful tips
Miguel Cendejas Hell yea! I agree
That's not structural.
From the old retired contract welder you left handed son take you a 6gr 7018 uphill with the restriction ring now that's a test and run it your puddle from right to left it'll come out better. I was left handed
LOL….Pipe welders talking about structural. FYI f the newbies the majority of structural is done with FCAW NR232 but most of these pipe guys don’t know how to run it. Unless your going to be a pipe welder this is pretty much useless.
I love my ruut passes
hahahaha......pipe welders only know stick using 7018 and 6010, FYI to the new welders nobody ever uses stick for structural steel welding in the field because it takes for ever and is not cost effective, 99.9% of structural is done using FCAW. The only time you will ever see stick on a building is for the decking and that.s it.
And? If u can stick u can Flux core. I can teach a 6yo to mig. Acting like ur telling someone something.
@@jjjordan3881 ....Correct as is why new welders don't need to bother getting certified in stick unless you want to be a one trick pony doing pipe.
@calikalbocalikalbo6082 you sound a little jealous of pipeliners...just sayin
@@rustyshackleford1069 ….HAHAHA…chick know how to do more than just stick unlike most pipe liners. Besides I’m a CWI in Japan so nope, try again
@@calikalbocalikalbo6082everyone I work with uses stick.
Am I the only one thinking “what what in the rutt”? 🤦🏼♂️🤣
Structural welding is all I do, Ironworkers Union. Local 584
What's the starting pay??
@@davidnieto936 depends what region you're in. Here in Chicago the starting pay is 50% for apprentices which is about $24 an hour plus your benefits. Once you go down to southern states, the Unions aren't as strong (Republican run states) and the journeymen make less than or equal to Chicago vicinity apprentices. It's a great career I've been a union ironworker for over 20 years and worth it for me.
@@elmeromero1794 hi sar my father is a great weldar & fabricator hi is 29 years weld in India so any job for you
@@sagarjoshi9923 sorry no job unless you go through the 4 year apprenticeship.
I been in a shipyard for 8 years, i cant be the only to say these welds aint nice. Yall didnt even zoom in on the weld
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" If there's slag, you drag" It looks like you are pushing it. Your welds look like lumpy porridge. 7018 should be a lot smoother.
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Jed must be a reader, always well spoken, good advice on the prep work
No jed is gay welcome to 2020
Intelligent, articulate welders are out there.
See with your ears. Nice work. There is a cooking cycle you can hear as he moves. I always wondered about this.
I love welding I cant wait to start my mobile business 😆
What type of welding is this? I have a Lincoln Powermig Dual and never seen an option to hold a stick with that ground clamp.
Not a ground clamp. Just a different style of stinger.
What I took away from this video: It’s hard to reach in tight areas with a stubby
That "bow" is the throat. Based off of the leg length, your throat is WAY too big. Excess convexity. Thats a weld fault = failed weld!
If you push all your passes, they would never stand up to a structural plate test! But whatever, each to their own
please could you make video showing the 7010 electrode finish downward on the 6g tubing and showing how to overlap the head.
Not sure die Zeit/Uhr you posted this but I’m In GMT IST FRÜHE and that’s was pleasantly awesome.
Respect you guys, love all your vids, I weld a lot of columns, in my opinion you should be pulling instead of pushing, don’t push unless you have to.
Tripp Lipford i agree I always pull with Dual Shield or Stick
Tripp Lipford agreed also I was wondering why he is doing that
We are mostly down hill welders so I like watching the puddle instead of trying to look behind a rod. Just a comfort thing.
Jacob Schofield true but when you welding structural pieces it’s a different world from downhill pipe welding but you being the Pro you are I’m sure you know the difference . Just saying to us that Weld Structural all day long instead of pipe pulling is the way to go ! Keep up the good work but god Damn Where is Bob 😭🙏🏽💯
Tripp Lipford when pulling look in front of the puddle and you can still see everything you are putting in
Jed, do you weld in the push position instead of the drag position?
Thanks.
Anthony Gonzalez he was pushing the rod. I was taught to drag.
You use 7028 3/32
These guys cant be serious?......have a look at those finished welds....I would be Fired if that was my finished product....never stop start in corners etc......
Thank you for posting an interesting video.
There's no such thing as stopping learning, or trying out a new technique
if you're interested in your subject, or wanna do a better job.
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ugggg, its pronounced rooooooot, not rut
vman318 the lad is trying to pass on helpful information & technique here, don’t criticise his accent ffs, go to half the counties in the uk & you won’t understand half of what they say but there all speaking english
🤣🤣 I heard him say "rook pass" I was really confused the couple of times
I didn't saw a weld demonstration . Just advise.
Took me awhile to realize that this guy was saying "root". All I heard was "rut". XD
nothing like a rutt pass
You guys should make a book called "dummies for welding"
jed your technique is wrong you are using a MIG welding technique in stick welding the pool is in front of the electrode not behind it. just one more thing try using one hand to manipulate the electrode you are not alone from what i have seen on you tube in using two hands.If you where on piece work or paid by results two handed welding would slow you down,one hand for the job and one for yourself ,cold go on but i will be sounding like a old fart
But why do my uphill passes look like shit clumped up against a dogs ass. I can't get the travel speed, angle, or amperage right..wtf
Are you pushing or dragging???
Right off the bat, I thought if there's slag - You drag! Why were you pushing the rod on the opening part of the video??
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Both hand welder right here ol son 🤠
Was that a push on 7018?
Never tack, start, stop, or connect a weld in a corner, why? Because it is almost impossible to remove all the slag and if x- rayed you WILL have slag inclusion thus failing to weld to standard. How to avoid this? Start your root knowing you must weld through all corners before breaking arc and plan accordingly.
what do you mean? isnt the slag gonna be the same if it was in the middle of the bead or of it was in the start/finish :/? and some people told me to tack the ends so It can absorb more heat. but can you please explain, thanks :D
You can start the wrap around first. And run the bead to tie in and if you're good enough with tie ins it won't be noticeable it'll look like a complete bead.
I believe fillet welds do not get x-rayed and full pen moments get visual inspected under 3/8 thick and over would be the xray inspection per aisc standards for structural welding.
Fillet welds do in fact get x- rayed. In addition, a visual inspection is a totally separate issue. That stated , welds can be deemed a failure if not to visual standard and/ or if a failure to x- Ray inspection depending on weld criteria needed.
@@johnw.peterson4311 From my own experience as an ironworker those are the rules we follow for the jobs I've worked. What kinda fillet welds do you weld that get inspected with xray curious.
I am referring to an Inside corner. Outside corners are good to go for tacks, Connection’s etc. because one can get to it properly clean.
Why does it look like your pushing that weld
Also should not push 7018. You can trap slag.....
If it has slag you drag,,,unless vert up...less BBs also....
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Root or ruut
Good. make a tutorial like a welding mask like the one in your video
In the next video we will show you how to trap slag.....
Exactly what i was thinking. "Pushing "🤔🤔 i mean you can but... And also to get rid of the spatter you just got to lower your amperage slightly. Guys out there that think they can just crank it up and burn it in. Go right ahead but there is such thing is the perfect amperage,rod angle , and arc length. Of course travel speed to. But the heat is all part of it to
When we weld on buildings u set your welder and run your leads sometimes 2 - 3 floors. You learn how too weld all positions at the same amperage. Now shop welding obv is different
He did say follow the weld procedure, all your parameters are there, pre-heat temp, amps, volts, travel speed, heat input…
Bro your pushing and not pulling this isn’t gmaw
That was helpful guys, do you prep your peaces like that or do they expect you to weld over mill scale and rust in the field ?
I was wondering the same, wire wheel and acetone if time permits, or are you guys on such a strict time table they crackin the whip on ya ? =)
Yep. FIT UP IS EVERYTHING AND EVERY MILLIMETER OF WELD after will make you smile.
Why didn't he use any manipulation?
Great job other than you hold the electrode with the wrong hand. lol 🤔
Noticed someone else asked also , but were you pushing verses dragging?
Yes he was
Yeah I thought that to. Strange. I was taught to drag unless of course you cant!
Liam Jenkins I was taught the same thing lol
lol you push a 7018? then you show us your weld with all your cold laps, I would be shitting myself if i knew you welded any structure I was in. You should be a mig welder.
See a lot thought he’s pushing the rod as I did, not sure it’s just he looks to be a left hander & the camera angle making it look a bit strange?
He's pushing it and his welds look horrible. 7018 are drag rods. Only push depending on scenario such as vertical up
You are not supposed to weld in the K-Zone
Just a FYI, 6010 is not a pre approved electrode for structural. Check the AWS D1.1 code.
I'M A LEFT WELDER AND GOOD AT IT
I feel bad for that white hoodie🤣🤧
After welding miles and miles of wire, any welder can be ambidextrous.
Why did you push with the 7018? And I was always taught to weld from the corners out
Drag or push
Just read the puddle
I see no drag but there is slag :0
awesome info guys =) thanx
I never seen a welder use two hands on 7018 and welding away from him and wrong angle on the rod. Stick to the grinder hand 👍
I got arc flashed! What is up with the footage with out welding lense. I feel sorry for your camera person.
Arc flash doesn’t come through a screen buddy
Greeting from Asia..Verry nice training
I have no idea what an "L H" is.
I did a lot of that all over the state of Oklahoma.
Now im getting into this pipeline welding process trying to move up in the welding industry.
Do it in the overhead position.
You have to pull the welding rod, not push - the basic rule. I will not write why ...
Can wait to see more vids like this
Dude I’m sorry but that’s really really bad welding I had to comment
it is called arc blow.
Is he saying rut pass or root? Lol 6010 on structural? What’s this amateur hour?
In class we use 7018 electrode sticks or w.e u wanna call it
You're pushing the rod instead of dragging... Just personal preference or is there another reason?
Welding backwards is not mig welding
I only spend 1 minute welding. The other 9 are cutting, cleaning, and fitting. Doesn't seem very glamorous after that
Couple more "b-b's" jus say splatter, damn gay rutts...
Is it just me or did that look like a shitty as weld....
Terrible welds
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