Working at the USPS - My Advice? Find something else.
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2018
- Disclaimer: This is my personal interpretation and views and in no way represents the USPS as a whole.
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Here is a recount of my personal experience working at the USPS
I had veteran's at my office who said the army was easier then working at post office.
That says a lot, like seriously.
Was an RCA. Worked 3 days, and left. Once I saw the "big" picture I knew it was not for me. Glad I made the right decision.
Me too, but 4 days for me as a CCA.
so am i good for you😊👍
Same here Friday was my last day, they don’t care about us modern day slave ship
I don’t blame you🎸
I worked as a carrier for 35 years. The postal service I started with is not the same one today. I had good supervisors and postmasters and I had bad ones. The connection with customers was what made the job bearable.The postmaster that I worked for the last two years made my job a living hell.
I did 30 and I can relate to your post. In the end it just became data management from a computer. My last few years were hell too as the bosses were just trying to make some number.
Could you guys please describe exactly what usps living hell?
@@rotcataergeht , well in my case ,the postmaster was not only a micromanager but he seemed to have a problem with me. He constantly harassed me. He would make derogatory remarks to me and about me to coworkers within my earshot. He acted like I was trying to get away with stuff. He assumed I was lying when I would tell him something. It was definitely a hostile work environment. My previous managers and postmasters were happy with my job performance. How this postmaster ran things is similar to how I heard friends in other post offices describe their management. Not sure if that’s how they’re trained or it’s the lack of training.
My experience was just the opposite. My last 2 years my new PM was never in the office and the delivery supervisors didn't even come by with my DOIS numbers because I didn't care. I only cared for my customers and had to use a lot of 701 time my last year.
@@tkjjw The postmaster is supposed to be delegating responsibility and not addressing the carriers directly. I'd write him up just for that.
I worked for the USPS as a carrier for 17 years. I reported the Postmaster and supervisor to the Inspection Service for breaking the laws concerning sanctity of the mail. The Postmaster was fired, the supervisor was demoted to a PTF carrier. I quit two months later. End of story.
how did you do that?
??? ok
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who’d u have to sleep with?? They don’t even take grievances seriously at my station 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol that was vicious 🤣
I was fired for not answering my cellphone to cover my regulars call out. Wasn’t scheduled. Best thing that could have ever happened. I know see why “going postal” is a very real thing. Be kind to your postal workers
Did you file for unemployment???
Basically every big night, big sporting event, holiday, Saturday, and Sunday post office expects newer employees to work. Regulars always call out sick since they don't ask for vacation because it will be denied. Regulars get sick days plus 3 non-paid sick days before they can be punished. Depending upon how much the supervisor likes them they will not be punished. Typically it is a letter on the 4th sick day with no sick time and then firing. Basically if you're getting to a point you have enough seniority to only work M-F some carriers will just call out every Saturday or Sunday until they are only scheduled M-F.
Great job, Sir. Thank you for your service and the truth about bullies.
Thank you.
As a cca that’s been here for 2 yrs all I can say is listen to this guy and run run as far as u can. If u have another alternative don’t hesitate to go for it.
I'm so happy many people say the same thing I tried to explain to my family as to why I quit
Yep, 100 percent accurate. I've never been in a worse work environment in my entire life. They literally treat you like a disposable tool.
I stayed for about a year and 1/2 and leaving was the best decision I ever made. I work in healthcare now and the switch is like a dream. Even with covid it’s so much better. This job is a shit show every day and a numbers game. I don’t know how this place could ever get better
If you other alternative to a PSE position 8pm - 4:30 am was Amazon with 4X 10 schedule 9am - 7:30 pm with Thursday, Friday, Saturday off would you take Amazon over the USPS is both were similar distances away?
Used to think post office carrier was the it job for a person who wants to deliver stuff for a job . Like compared to a pizza delivery boy or auto parts delivery driver. The latter paying the least
I’ve been working since 2008 and trust me, he’s telling the truth. Things are even worse now, overworked days and cca’s are treated like dog shyt, customers are even more hostile and Managment are even horrible. Demanding 40% of the work force to deliver 100% of the mail. I work in Detroit.
Yeah delivering in congested urban areas filled with low-IQ people is much harder. The dumber the customers, the more work on the route.
Sure wish I would have come across this video awhile ago Yes the Post Office is a horrible place to work I truly have a whole new respect for people who can put up with all their BS
I made it to 90 days and then WALKED! Jesus Christ! I went back to Afghanistan...think about that shit for a minute. Back.To.A.Warzone.........I'm happier here, and less injured.
Danggggg
@@jennifertorregano1155 Yup, and I'm STILL in Afghanistan too, STILL happier and STILL less injured. I truly hope all my postal brothers and sisters are well.
My cya-tic nerve is starting to bother me and I’m a truck driver. The apc’s are way the fuck overloaded on purpose and half the time the equipment doesn’t even roll. It sucks man
Lol dang. You know your job sucks if you would rather be in a war zone
Lmaooo
100% true, I’m actually hoping to put in my resignation tomorrow. Going to go to school for IT work
You've done yourself a favor, be thankful you left.
How's things going at school?
Aye bro I'm going to school for the same thing but getting it paid for by McDonald's lol. Was thinking about the post office cuz government job but it seems like that's not it. Hope you made it
And those trucks are so old and unsafe to drive..
Exactly why I chose to go back into the plant
And breaks down
Deathtraps.
"Your so exhausted at the end of the day." Yup, I fell asleep in the Walmart parking lot yesterday....
I used to fall asleep at streetlights while driving back to the station in the dark. So, I went to the doctor and got a work restriction. It's never dark when I go home at 5 pm.
100% True with EVERYTHING you said. It’s life consuming, unsafe, and difficult. It could be such a great place to work but there are so many downfalls to the position also. 😔
Thankfully I have no life, so this job should suffice for a couple years.
@@coldstonecanc3rgang994 lol same here
I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately for me I liked the job before amazon. Now the number of parcels has destroyed my body. I found out to late just how little USPS cares about the employees.
Paul Seevers what was the job like before Amazon? I had a boyfriend join the USPS when he was in his early 20s and he went in as career, and made a career out of it.
Amazon has made me start looking for a new job, I work out in California & the amount of Amazon they expect us to deliver is literally a joke, simply impossible!!!!
I’ve been a regular for 2 years, been carrying for almost 4 and everything you’ve said is spot on. Management is incompetent, and shady as hell. It’s not worth it lol it looks good on a resume, it’s a stepping stone to something better. I’m currently applying for different jobs. I’ve literally been laughing out loud listening to you lol it’s 💯 accurate. I’m not trying to be a negative prick, I’m just speaking from experience. It will give you customer service experience, but damn literally everyone at my office is miserable lol even the ones who make $32 plus an hour. Money doesn’t equal happiness.
I got attacked by a pitbull within my 2nd month, called the supervisor, her worry was just the route not being finish. Luckily, I wasn't injury just a few scratch. I got traumatized for a couple of weeks. Quitted after my 7 month of working there.
Your incredibly articulate and clear. Thank you for such a well thought out review
I just started as a holiday clerk assistant and was hoping to get on as PSE but I'm 47 with no degree & this is the only thing I can find that pays decent & has good benefits. Im at the point of my life where I don't have a social life but I come home everyday hurting bc it is physically demanding. I hope you were able to find a better job. It seems like you're expendable there but as long as it pays the bills and gives me some extra money to save and spend on things I want then I'm thankful for the opportunity.
And the insurance is fantastic. As you get older you need that good health insurance.
And potential retirement.
Amazingly said, and you look stunning at 47
Hello I just turned 48 and I applied are you still working as a carrier?
To all you bashing this guy? Get a life. Im a PSE. He isnt wrong, and if yiu have issues with mental health, this would not be a good fit at all. Is the work itself bad? Eh, its active, which can be good, but screw Christmas time. But the amount of drama and bs you put up with is far too much. And most of it comes from people who think others need to "grow up". Hypocrisy.
No company "really" cares about their employees. It's all about productivity and money. Its work! Work it, get your pay and take your a** home!
That’s what I’m saying lol ain’t nothing perfect and I’ve worked some of the hardest jobs one could work. I’m so tired of whinny punks. Government union jobs don’t just fall outta the sky. I wasn’t even drug tested. I’m out here
@@sethrobinson28 that should tell you something that ppl arent drug tested.
@@sethrobinson28 there is a fine line between perfect and slavery though. haha 🤣
I didn’t get drug tested either I literally stopped smoking for months for absolutely no reason 😂
@@sethrobinson28 maybe where u are isn’t so bad but it’s ridiculous at other places, the job itself isn’t the issue
Thank you very much for this video. You don't how much it means to hear what you are saying. Bless you.
Plus, as a RCA you have to spent money to modify your POV or buy a RHD Vehicle.
Couldn't agree more. I was hired as a Casual for the holiday season... when they ask me what shift I wanted, I said the swing shift which was 3:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m.... my first 4 days on the job I was working 3:00 p.m to 4 in the morning the next day!!!! Ridiculous!!!. I couldn't do it, so I quit. totally misled me. I NEVER signed up for a graveyard shift. Plus I was not promised future employment since I was a casual, so it wasn't worth it for me to stick around.
I worked there for 3 months and i resigned last week! It was too much.i was regretting it but im glad i left.
Your voice is so so soothing. Even though you're ranting about the usps lol. You should make guided meditation videos tho seriously.
ok creep
no, he just a lazy bastard that hate to work and is whining in youtube cuz thing didn't go his way
@@jonnybravo595 facts
He is a SIMP
@@jonnybravo595 I was thinking about applying and then I saw his video but I was also thinking about the stuff he was complaining about his he's a lazy ass bastard that doesn't like to work also this younger generation wants everything handed to him a bunch of pussies
I was in day 55 with a new PM. We never got along and he is nuts. Finally, left. Not run well and too stressful.
I work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. I take my lunch, eat in my own vehicle I bought. I love it. I lost weight, I'm stronger. I did fall while delivering. Hurt my knee and fell again and hurt my ankle. But im slowly healing. I listen to bible teaching cds and worship music the whole time I'm working. I love it.
Its nice to see positive feedback on the job for a change. Are you an rca?
@@LindsayAlexandra89 yes
Thank you for this. I’m on my break and I also listen to worship songs and teachings on my route. Daily reminder to stay blessed. Thanks
Nice
Worship is good
This is key. Oftentimes we neglect our spirit man and wonder why the physical is suffering. Thank you for the feedback.
I've been an RCA for 2.5 years and I love it. I have a full-time job too, but I really love working for the post office. As far as "good pay", that is all relative. I make $19.06 an hour which is okay in Wisconsin, but would be nothing in a major market like NYC or Seattle...etc. My full-time job has benefits and pays 54K a year, which would also be a joke on the coasts.
It really comes down to the people at your office. If you have a postmaster and coworkers who look out for you and you don't mind hard work, it can be really great. If you have bad people in your office, well.....
The real tragedy is that the onboarding takes so long and people don't really get to experience the job until months after they have applied.
As far as the mail trucks, why didn't we just have Dodge and GM make a bunch of RHD vans for the postal service back in 2008 when we wrote them bailout checks? The government could have killed 2 birds with one stone. Instead we have carriers driving trucks from the 80s while we wait for a committee to pick the truck to use for the next 35 years.
Oh, but I do drive my own vehicle. I have pedals installed on the right.
I actually like my old FFV for a lot of reasons, but the 8mpg mileage is a joke. It's an awfully inefficient way to spend the customers' money. Replace the engines with newer ones that get 20 mpg. Much, much cheaper than replacing all the trucks.
The trucks are a joke, no way we should be driving trucks from 1980 in 2022. They’re outdated & unnecessary, not to mention beyond unsafe 🤦🏾♀️
@@JM_HUh totally agree.
Do not apply as a CCA/Mail Carrier simple.....
What's your reason for saying it?
BS. My signing up as a CCA eight years ago was the smartest thing I ever did. Now I have plenty of money, good health insurance, a good route, and I don't even work overtime because I have a work restriction. If I had quit when times were bad I'd never have the life I have now.
@@jeffw1267 what is the work restriction for? How did you get a work restriction?
I was going to apply, but working 6 days 10 hour shifts. Nope, I have one life and a good balance is important to me.
During the holiday season at my office, we worked 15 hour days and the wouldn't allow the overtime pay until the holidays were over. I went an entire month and a half without a day off, no joke. We work Sundays too delivering Amazon. I tried talking to my union and they said that management doesn't have to give you a day off.
@@kimberleehinkley5978 that's a complete lie. They are required by postal regs to give you at least one day off per 14 work days minimum. That doesn't change at all regardless of the time of year. Call your local Union President and file a grievance. Trust me, I did the same thing but did it for *5 months* before I started standing up for myself. Proudly been a carrier for 2 years now, and I don't take that shit anymore, and I've also found a much better office.
ScorchedCrow95 excuse me shes right i had a similar issue and QUIT after they denied me a day off after 3 1/2 weeks of work with NO DAYS OFF
@@BagzAndPresident dude, I wasn't calling her a liar, I was saying that her union rep and managers were lying. Ive been a carrier now for 3 years, they aren't allowed to work you indefinitely, and you can grieve it. Also file an EEO for hostile working conditions and I can almost guarantee you a day off. Also any days off turn off the phone so they can't call you in
@@BagzAndPresident and again, cool story, I went *5 months* with no days off in my first year because i was too afraid to stand up for myself and fight back. You fight back or you get run over in the post office. That's just a fact.
The greatest day of my life was quitting this ass of a place to work
I have been working there many years. Every word is true.
And good money and benefits so u got it going on
As a MHA...I've had to work 12 hours almost everyday 6 days a week, and I had to work 10 12 hours before my day off once. I'm thinking of quitting...
This is so on point
So very true. I’m going to quit after working 18 years.
Totally agree. They call the carriers so much it’s ridiculous that we’re driving our routes and gotta answer the phone. And they don’t pay for our personal phones. It’s bs
You don't HAVE to answer your phone. You can actually write a grievance statement and forbid them from calling you on your personal phone. We had a union steward who did that. If they wanted to talk to him (this was before the new scanners with the text feature), a supervisor would have to go find him on his route. I just keep my phone turned off most of the time.
Yup Jeff u are absolutely right we can file a grievance and win it. But they still do it. And a few times before I was a regular they would send messages on the scanner. Thankfully they don’t bother regulars as much as when ur a sub
We have to use our own phone for GPS, on routes, no compensation. Not to mention our times are messed up
Omg I just quit my job working as a mail handler at the post office. Management and this one lady who was a regular worker kept BULLYING me and treating me like the problematic angry black woman ! Then they played VICTIM when I attempted to speak up and basically were saying to shutup, take their abuse, and do my job. After this one manager claimed I was treating him like the bad guy and told me to just go do my job and this one lady told me to leave if I don’t like it here I was DONE. By the way, I ended up going on breaks late because the supervisor of my area didn’t care and forgot about me. I had a micro manager where I worked watching my EVERY MOVE and I had to tell one person I was using the restroom every time I went to the bathroom. I been there for 2 weeks as a Casual Mail Handler. I also got hurt at the job multiple times but I didn’t say anything because they preached about safety and were basically saying it’s your fault if you get hurt. Fortunately, I got an email that I have an interview today. I’m not going back. I QUIT! I also run an online business so I only worked at the post office so I can make extra money.
Congrats. Trying to get out myself. Was a casual last year and survived because of good management and co-workers. This year there's a new MOD and he hates my guts, and takes every opportunity to watch me and my screen to see how fast I'm going (just started a week ago as a pse mp). Willing to go work at Whole Foods to get away.
I applaud you for leaving! I’m a PSE and I was told today by my supervisor that they “own” me. They’ve said they want to break me and wipe the smile off of my face. I’m so stressed there but I need the money.
@@NaturallyDanaB OMG why not apply at a different office? You don’t deserve that, that is disturbing❗️
@@coldcloakmusic6630 I have applied to different stations but they haven’t called back yet. I’m considering an entirely different career field now though
LOL at going on breaks. I was even pissing in empty bottles.
Just passed my 90 days. I get about 1 day off every week and a half ALL 10 hour days, typically closer to 11 or 12. Drinking like a fucking fish, struggling to hang on to my hobbies and skills in the gym and as a certified trainer. Stacking a little more cash and getting the fuck out. This place is dark. Real, real, real dark.
ohhh yes...
What is an average paycheck?? Is OT included??
@@joleaiperlis5347 So OT calculated per day not weekly total so they could have you work 7 days straight at exactly 8 hours a day and you would get no OT. But if you work anything over 8 hours on any single day that is overtime pay. You also go into double pay if you're over 56 hours...unless it's the holidays then you never get double pay. The hourly pay has gone up some since I quit but most of my checks were between about 800-850 a week. Ok way to make some passable cash quick if need be, but it will destroy your soul and life while you're there. Fuck the USPS. I hope they collapse entirely as soon as possible.
This video just made me so depressed.
The same way the actual job makes you feel, so it’s accurate.
Good video. I think more people need to realize how they get their mail and packages when they sit on their asses at home doing nothing and ordering things and realize it’s not easy to get you that phone case, piece of clothing, furniture or anything else and to get you your letters, bills, checks, or paperwork from your job or anywhere else this is what your postal workers, delivery people and Waterhouse workers have to go through. So next time be a little more thankful.
Or quit looking for over gratification? You don’t go to every stop light/street light and say “man i wanna thank the electrical engineers that put this together” right? You don’t drive down a street and say “man i want to meet the guys that paved this road and shake their hands to show my gratitude” right? Give me a break. Do your job get your $ and go home. You’re only going to be upset by having this sense of righteousness from being a mail carrier..
Hello, I just have to say that you are on target with everything you're saying. I was treated like absolute garbage as a pse, and now that I'm a regular clerk my hours are worse. I work 2 am to 10:30 am. Shit hours but theyre needed because we are getting killed with Amazon parcels to the point its a miracle the mail even gets out!! So I converted and work at the MOWU and MOCU. Im partially parcel distribution and partial window clerk. I am now getting called nicknames by a certain mailhandler….even to the point where he suggested he would break me. This is our Federal Government at work? I'll go work for Trader Joes and get full benefits but obviously not the same pay. But you see, that's the trap of the Golden Handcuffs....great pay, awesome benefits, and an abusive, tedious, and angry/hostile work place.
I'm a pse and yea it's a mindfuck of a game when I'm in there🤯
I'm currently on my 5 day break. Been working for 2 years now, and I don't intend to leave (unless I get my degree and find something that works with that). The post office is the best job I've ever had. The management is the worst, but I managed to finally find a small office a year ago, and I only spend maybe 15-30 mins in the office each day. Mostly done by 4-5:30 and work 5-6 days a week. Bought a house, have a family. Its not bad if you can find a small office. Don't ever work in a city though, it will kill you if it doesn't drive you away first
How do you spend only spend only 15-30 minutes in the office? Don’t you case your route? Casing a route then loading your truck takes atleast an hour
Lotta ppl here complaining just freaking work! If not leave! I came from spectrum as a tech this is a breeze compared to that. (Los Angeles)
Can I ask you is that the 360 position. I applied for the MHA position but it didn’t have causal or holiday or temp or 360. But I’m hearing that this Is what it may be. Since you’re on your 5 day break did you have to work the entire year straight or did you still get at least one break. Thank you so much I advance for answering. I want to get my credit together and buy a house give back to my parent both my mother and grandmother retire from the post office one after 21!years and the other close to 30. I know the work will be hard my mom tells me the stories but if I continue staying at a job just because it’s comfy I’ll always continue only making 12.50 an hour at 38 years old. I got goals ready for a change.
what state do you live in?
@@edwintapia7339 did you watch starbucks barista boy? Lmfao cuz this generation cannot work... Cannot take actual work. Cracking ribs 🤣🤣🤣
You are 100% correct. I have worked there for a little over two years now. I absolutely hate it. I am a CCA and I got heat exhaustion in June this year, my manager called the ambulance and I went to the hospital. Well the Dept. of Labor denied my claim that I got heat exhaustion. Completely ridiculous. I have a $2000 ambulance bill and I was told if my claim is denied then I'm responsible for that bill. I'm trying so hard to find a new job that makes a decent amount of money. You're right that it's a toxic environment. You're spot on about everything lol.
The exact same thing happened to me!!! It's total b.s!!
so whos paying the bill?
@@americawalk1154 they ended up having to pay it because they were the ones that called the ambulance and I told them I wasn’t paying it. I quit in December now I work at a Veterinarian hospital
@@kimberleehinkley5978 wow. Working for 2yrs but not a Regular yet?
@@rotcataergeht I did make regular right after I quit. Technically I was still employed because the manager didn’t file my resignation paperwork
I just think this quote from Tokyo Drift -There's an old saying: 'For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the steed was lost. For want of a steed, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message, the war was lost.'
@@Russsir if you don’t deliver the mail on time, The War will be Lost! Lmao sorry probably was watching tokyo drift.
I’ve worked for the Postal Service for over twenty years. No job is perfect. No person is perfect. Do I love my job? No. However, it has provided me and my family with a good life. We have put our through college and one more to go. I am thankful for USPS. I am blessed to have a great paying job with awesome benefits.
That’s what I’m saying I’m 28 and blessed that this opportunity came my way... there’s pros and cons with every job out there.... but a job is a job so is a career... but it doesn’t matter what type of career field it is.. but how much are you willing to be paid to do the job.
@@TheSPEEZY99 hang in there bro. I'm a rca n just started If they wanna work me 6 days I'm with it
@@TheSPEEZY99 Y’all just got Stockholm Syndrome. If this job works for you because you have no life outside of the post office or if you don’t care to not be able to be available to have a life outside of the post office then this job is for you. Don’t undermine other people’s experiences with this blatantly obvious unethical workplace because YOU don’t care about not being able to have a life outside of the post office. This company is clearly working people into the ground and because you’re okay with that doesn’t mean everyone else has to be.
What awesome benefits? The benefits they give you to just have a checkup and a cleaning at the dentist? Gtfo.
@@Yasmine91646 😂😂😂😂
Can someone do a video of how it was being a mail carrier in the 80s/90s
I love this video. That was really cool what you said about the satisfaction you get from getting the packages to the people. I can relate to that. It's a good feeling. Somebody has to do it. The drones aren't ready yet.
I just quite yesterday as a PSE. WORST JOB EVER. NEVER GOING BACK. EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS TURE
Ha. Same here. I took a job as a PSE thinking it might turn into something full time being a disabled Vet and all, I thought I had my foot in the door for a career job. What a huge moronic mistake that was. I had NO chance at ever getting full time and if I did it would was going to be in some miserable little office no one wanted to work at. The waiting list for the office I worked out of was huge, everyone wanted to work at it and for the life of me I can't understand why because the place was a total hell hole full of miserable people who didn't get along and the management was total shit. On days we needed extra people, they didn't schedule anyone. On days like Amazon Sundays, where two people could easily do the break down, they would schedule five people to be there just so they could kick us out before 8:00am. 2 hour shifts, 4 hour shifts, 10 hour shifts, never consecutive days off, they were always split. The career clerks, most of them, were total assholes who would never help with the morning break down although we had 17 city routes and 5 rural routes to scan and sort, regular parcels, spurs and all the Amazon shit, usually 6-10 pallets. If you came in at 4 your were lucky to get a break by 9:30. Worst job I ever had and my best day there was day I walked in, tossed my badge to the post master and told her, "I Quit." In 30 years of private sector employment, I never quit a job the way I did there because I was never treated as shitty anywhere I ever worked.
@@TheChuck624 wow I had a similar experience. Split shifts, working 12 days in a row, but still never getting full time hours..our manager had created a scenario in which the old clerks were fighting with the new clerks over hours, making up stuff to get the new clerks written up and get their hours cut...no actual metrics on job performance just he say she say...strangest job I ever had, glad to be out
What’s bad about the PSE position ?
What about working as a mechanic for the post office? My husband was thinking possibly being a mechanic there, I keep seeing these horrible complaints about the post office does that include the mechanic department?
Post Master terminated me, corporate said, no you are still employed, UI said, you have to take her back or terminate her, Union was no help...but that's ok, I have the best job now and am happy. A postal employee told me,,,they did you a favor!
Hope you are doing better. What job is that?
There was a CCA in Chicago who hung herself due to being overworked and overwhelmed. That's how bad the job is.
I heard Chicago is one of the worst, I'm so sorry that happened 😔 they put up all the EAP flyers to 'cover' for the fact the drive people to despair. Means nothing
Unfortunately I find this far from surprising. I'm sure she isn't the first and won't be the last.
Rain or sleet or snow....hell with that....management is the worst...I know I did 33+years
True. Fuck that. Just retired in September after 33 years of thankless service. My niece wanted to apply at the P.O. and i told her if she did, u would never speak to her again.
I'm an RCA and what you said is true, but we are NOT paid to be on call. I'm not sure how it works for CCAs, but management claims we are. According to the contract only if you have a phone from the government(which I don't) we do not have to answer.
12 years with the postal service. Once my kids were 18. I left! As a substitute rural carrier I never had my own route. The postal service holds mail back when the count comes. That’s illegal. They do it!
What do you mean hold mail back?
@@justkidding7523 They leave it at the warehouse. When inspection time is over, then they have the mail brought in and we're snowballed. Lying a&&holes. Glad I left in 2019 after 33yrs.
@@argerinejordan4703 33 years? We’re you not a regular? You only need 20 years as a regular to retire
Wow 12 years as an RCA smh
@@jordangoat2654 Yes, I was a regular. I started in '86 subbed for 5 years because they had a hiring freeze at the time. We were PTF's at the time. After that, I turned regular.
They're out of control, disrespectful, basically everything you said is on point.
I've been an RCA for 2 years now. I still haven't became regular. Its currently 5:00 AM. I haven't been able to get off the couch since I came home from work. My back hurts. I've been depressed since the pandemic started. Most of the time I'm not motivated to do anything after work. I eat horribly damn near everyday. If I had a bad day I eat a lot of sweets to make myself feel better. Alot of ppl drink and smoke. Theres never enough carriers. And now they make RCAS throw post because there is not enough clerks then we have to run our route and cover routes thats down. I'm over it but im not motivated to find something else. I honestly don't even want to work for anyone else after this. But they say the benefits are good once you turn regular. I feel like it's not worth it.
OMG! That poor woman who died...know what my postmaster said about that? She should have stopped and found some shade or gone in a cool building. This is the way it is for mail carriers: if you get struck by lightning on a clear day, they will find a way to blame it on you. There is always the feeling of a giant boot about to stomp on you.
Your postmaster was speaking facts. Don't know what the fuck you find outrageous about his statement full to bursting with common sense.
@Shawny Love Reality is cruel mami
Loken 🤔🤔🤔We will remember that the day your body decides to have a heat-stroke and collapses on some unwatered lawn in suburbia while people stand over you and ask each other if they should call one of those ambulances....
@@cad4060 Forget the lady dying. It is important to pace yourself. If you don't take frequent breaks and drink water you're at greater risk of dying.
This is 100% facts people!!!
I'm just around a year and a half as an RCA, I don't know if I can handle it anymore. I've also noticed that I drink beer every night now....
Ganja River quit, not worth it.
Quit before alcoholism sets in.
Worst job I’ve ever had. Literally had NO LIFE. Punching in at 8 and leaving at 6 everyday, working 12-14 days straight.....FUCK THAT
That money was good thoe huhhhh
@@joaquinrevuelta5082 that money doesn't mean shit when, 1: you don't have time to enjoy it, and 2: you are too crippled when you retire to enjoy it.... the only thing this job has going for it, is the benefits. delivering in a tin box with no AC in the summer, getting chased by dogs, shot at or assaulted because someone's government check didn't come that day is not fun. The ONLY good thing, I have enjoyed about this job is seeing the expression on some customers face's when you deliver a package.
@@brandonlevy8680 That's one of the main reasons I left: I was there only a few months and came close to some pretty serious injuries almost slipping on ice.
Everyone tells me the ice is almost gone, yeah until next winter and I'm right back at square one.
The big main reason though was because my bosses were psychos. Like I believe the one was mentally ill (bipolar) and the other was super-immature and would throw tantrums. Needless to say, neither were good fits for the job. Their pushing us to go faster and faster somewhat contributed to my injuries.
Two instances of slipping on ice but using something on my body to stop me: 1) About two weeks in slipping sideways did what I could to stay on my feet- the right side of my lower back completely absorbed the impact, I still get pain 2 months later. 2) Same but slipping forward, my kneecap absorbed all the impact, almost blew out my knee. I still feel it too.
Those were two big ones where I felt like I dodged a bullet on some serious injuries. I started thinking, "yeah I'm in really good shape for being nearly 40, my body is still very pliable- but it's not going to be able to just keep resisting serious injuries forever". I knew that sooner or later one of those injuries was gonna stick.
It gave me a real appreciation for not having to constantly walk on snow and ice for 4-5 months out of the year. I've worked quite a few dangerous jobs, but never anything where I kept coming so close to seriously hurting myself so frequently.
That's without looking at inherent dangers of driving LLV all day with all its blindspots. Driving itself isn't bad or even very dangerous, but when you have someone bugging you to go faster, and faster, things start to get frantic.
@@threezysworld8089all you have to do is cite the contract. You don’t have to work fast at all. And they give you cleets for snow and ice. It is a shit job but its not all bad like everyone say. Just need to play the game by understanding the contract.
I ended up going to orientation
The driving test which every 10min i thought of an escape because one trainer was beyond a bitch.
Tomorrow is my last day of the academy and when i plan to quit.
All the thousands of reviews online are the same and they reflect that between the lines or directly.
I used up all my sick time and a lot of vacation days to do this but i'm going to keep my job and i kind of can't wait to go back to my job.
For some reason i am really nervous to quit this job that i really have not started yet.
I did not submit any of my time to get paid and i'm not going to so hopefully they will not cry as much.
Dude the training sucks
29yr. Letter carrier... have seen it all and then some! Everything you say is dead on and much more! The experiences I have had would fill volumes . Literally every supervisor and manager came from carriers and clerks who could not or would do the job and had no Management experience! Upper management is very good at finding gullable , upwardly mobile , easily intimated Ass kissers to due their bidding and ensure their bonuses! Very accurate portrayal , thanks!
That's true but in the end, psycopaths promote psycopaths. Oh sorry: *LAZY* psychopaths. They protect each other, and whoever comes on with the work ethic, will be abused because someone has to carry the dead weight. You're punished for wanting to do the right thing. It's like being a rat in a maze... with no end... forever.
@@ennuiblue4295 I agree wholeheartedly , very well put! I suppose it's true almost everywhere , being quasi-governmental the USPS gets a lot more 'press'.
So you're saying I have a chance?🤣🤣🤣
This was 100% my experience too.
“Everything is not for everybody” if you don’t plan on going to college and want to have a career with good benefits this is one of the very few jobs that’s available.
Might aswell go into a trade
This isn't the job for a college student at all. Its a Federal career.
I went in after college thankfully I quit and can pursue my degree
It's much different than my previous Federal job at the Departement of Treasury. We had every holiday off and rarely worked on weekends. The USPS is the opposite.
The funny part is my office has people with college degrees showing up as cca's.... Make sure you get a degree that you are actually going to utilize for work. Or my honest advice would be to get into a trade like plumbing or electrician or something similar. If you get the right trade under your belt you can realistically take that trade anywhere in the world.
@@rodb66 whyd you make the switch then?
@@AlexDaGame I was terminated from the Department of Treasury because of some unreported income my wife received from her gym for teaching some classes. Once I got the notice, I amended my return and paid the taxes. However, my operation felt that it was done on purpose so after 2 years of getting the proposal, they let me go. I tried to appeal but was unsuccessful.
Everything you said is true. It didn't take me years to find out but only a month. The first day in orientation the "trainers" hinted us of horrible bosses, we were never told we were supposed to be getting paid for our travel miles (to go into headquarters). It took me 3 weeks to find out about this. At the very last day of the "Academy" just because my trainer works for the office I was assigned to. I did my shadow day and I past out due to the heat inside that damn death-trap. Once back at the lot I met with the "supervisor" and asked her about making sure I was getting my travel mileage paid, she then replied to me, "I have no idea what are you talking about". Thinking she was being silly I continue working for the next 3 weeks.... Very bad mistake. I kept asking for them to give me proper training as I was not comfortable with the route, I met with the regular and the postmaster to made them aware of the situation, we all agreed I needed a few more days to understand the process and to get the route down. Well, the very next day, the "supervisor" assigned me to that route all alone.... It took me almost 11 hours to complete the damn route and once I returned to the lot I was met by the postmaster again. I told her I was very upset at the poor communication she had with the supervisor and I was about to quit at that very moment. She tried romancing me into giving them more time and that she would make sure I would get the training I needed. Once I got home, I was able to think peacefully and made the decision of resigning the very next day. It has been 2 weeks now and still, I have not received compensation for my travel miles or my last week of work... heck, I think they might be holding my mail at this point...
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It was a horrible experience. I finally received my last paycheck and again the travel mileage wasn’t paid, it happened about 2 weeks ago. I decided let bygones be bygones...., until yesterday, I received another check from them, well let’s say it was their way to tell me to “f” off. The amount I received was for $0.00.
I will be contacting an attorney at this point.
I'm still trying to figure out how to get paid for that extra mileage when I get sent to another station 45 minutes away (like an hour 15 from my house) but nobody knows about it or will tell me how. The most ive gotten is that its a mysterious form somewhere on the equally inscrutable postal website.
MiriamAfloat
Contact your HR person; usually they have cellphones and you’ll be sent to voicemail immediately, you’ll have to call and call until someone picks up. Once you get them on the line, give them your ID# and let them know you are expecting the mileage in your next paycheck.
Did you ever receive your mileage compensation?
Tiffany Capizola
Nope; I never got compensated...
gotta be honest with you dude, this video made me cry. I’ve been carrying for 5 years and I know exactly what you’re talking about. This job makes me a miserable person every day despite the on-the-road work being (potentially) pleasant on its own. Hope you’ve found something better my man
Nick Biv Dam it’s that bad ? I’m really excited about starting as a CCA. I’m planning to stay at least 1 yr to collect as much money as possible
@@compoundinterestinsights it is that bad. Take it from another person who has worked there.
Nick Biv All facts. Been a CCA for a year and a half. All of the relationships in my life are on the rocks, myself, kids, girlfriend, family. I told one of the senior carriers recently that I appreciate his resilience cause this job is for the birds. I’m handing in my 2 weeks tomorrow. I really can’t wait. The job in itself is easy and I love the residents in the communities but the rest of the job is all BS
@@compoundinterestinsights just curious but, was it as bad as everyone told you?
Everything you said is true. I worked for the USPS for 3 years. Evil does exist in the post office. The postmaster and the supervisor are evil people. They think they know everything but they are so clueless. A bunch of brainless Management people. The carriers are hard working people. Anytime and anywhere when someone goes crazy, we called that person "gone postal".
That should say a lot about what is happening to the carriers in the post office.
Dude. I submitted a voluntary resignation. Had no issues of any kind with being late or anything like that. Did not submit a resignation because I would have been terminated. But, rather than accept my resignation, two days later I was terminated. My offense? I submitted a resignation. Why did they do that? Not because it was right or necessary. Because they could. So now as a disabled veteran, I couldn't even get back with the USPS in a more suitable capacity.
I just quit last week. I offered a 2 week noticed and my supervisor made me work the day I submitted my resignation like a mule. When I was done with my route, they sent me back out. The next day I texted her to ask if I was on call, and she told me to not come back. That office was horrible.
Nirmanakaya good for you. That’s jobs just getting worse and worse.
That all depends on the office you work in. Where I am, its not that bad. There's those few supervisors that try to give you a little more work than usual and try to make you finish in under time. However, I make sure I get my hours and make them pay and regret they ever gave me that much. 💰 😈
@@markanderson77 Thats messed up.
I'm a postal worker in Germany and after two years of constant stress and pretty much everything you described I was laid off. I just wanted to thank you for speaking such honest words about this job and what it takes to do it.
Thank you for saying something about the post office it’s about time 👍😊
Perfectly explained. I just passed 90 days. Big fucking deal. What's the difference? How anyone can do this for any length of time is beyond me. Well, I can see it if a person has no aspiration to do ANYTHING other than this. ZERO job satisfaction. No time to breath. Take the job, lose some weight, then leave. Forget this "making career" bullshit. The pay is shit. I don't get how it can be perceived as "good" pay! Yes, better than McDonald's but....
Hahaha,exactly true! I actually lose weight from this job.
Job sucks but the pay is pretty good. I was on pace to make $80K first year. How many jobs out there where you can make $80K first year, with no degree? Not many. As for job being physical I've worked physically tough jobs, post office was nothing to me in that regard. The problem for me was putting up with management. If it wasn't for management trying to push unrealistic time expectations onto new hires I could have done the job standing on my head.
Now what I'll say as far as physical aspect that sucked, working in the winter with snow/ice on the ground. I had many aches from stopping myself from slipping and falling. I'm almost 40, thankfully I take care of my health or else I probably would have been hurt. I:
Almost threw my back out keeping my balance on ice. Never even knew what that meant until it happened.
Hurt my knee stopping my body from falling on ice.
Hyperextend a knee running back to truck after delivering a parcel- house had a drainage ditch in front completely disguised by snow accumulation. So as I was jogging and hit that part my knee said "no sir".
Slipped and fell on black ice on someone's driveway (delivering parcels again) thankfully landed mostly on side of butt (not hip or tailbone).
There were other more minor things. Point there is the pain from said things went away after 2-3 days because I take care of myself so I'm very pliable and strong. That said, I'm also not getting any younger and I know any one of those things could have been major, and eventually my luck would run out.
That, at least in my case, was the troubling aspect about the physicality if the job. The actual work itself was a piece of cake.
Truth!! I just started and already upper management treats me like garbage. If not for my awesome supportive coworkers and trainers I would've already been gone, but I'm gonna stick with it till I get fired.
I just started working for the USPS on February 26th 2022 , three weeks into it and I'm ready to quit. USPS isn't worth it.
Run! Find something else.
About the eating habits I had a good breakfast and just drank water the rest of the day. But I quit because of being overworked. They treated me like an LLV.
It's the worst of the worst. Getting your buns handed to you Monday only to do a one tray day on Tuesday and give every resident a Dish or Citi junk mail. If its a small package that fits in a mailbox, we should deliver as many of them as possible. As for loading up an entire LLV with Amazon boxes,, you need to hire people specifically for that. USPS has a death grip with Amazon to sustain their 6 days a week schedule. You could go to 3 days a week delivery and eliminate half the carriers. Its the only way to pay the remaining carriers a fair wage ie $26 an hr starting pay and give RCA'S specialized vehicles.. Get a package management system built so we can take more small packages , spurs so you can eliminate casing package reminders Living in the era of Grammy Gertrude to keep this 6 day a week schedule going is just plain foolish. I quit as an RCA 6 weeks ago , because I was tired of casing 150 to 200 package reminders on bad days, and my jeep was constantly breaking down
Allison, I'm glad i listened to your video. I'm a CCA over at Newport Beach, CA. Ive been here just over 2 years and am just about to be converted. I'm having doubts about staying with the Post Office if it wasn't for this Covid depression and if i had the time and the energy I'd be looking for something else. I don't know where you worked but I'm amazed that our experiences and feelings are so similar. I'm looking at some of the comments below, at our office the supervisors were all good. One moved on and got promoted and another got sick and retired. Their replacements are horrible. I'm stuck in a route that no one else in the office wants with a supervisor that I want to go postal on. Listening to you and reading these comments have been very therapeutic.
i have cca interview next wk. do you remember questions they asked?
I recently retired after 34 years and I would never allow my child work there. The CCA's are abused BIG TIME! I retired at the top of my offices seniority list and had a sweet 100% curbside delivery but I carried a lot of shit routes in the beginning. As far as my cell phone? When they issue me a phone I'll answer a call from them.
I'm an active carrier. Even if they provided me with a cell phone AND paid for it, I STILL wouldn't answer the phone. Reason? It's a time-wasting practice. I have a route to deliver and don't have time to waste talking to them. They can't force me to talk; they can't force me to sign papers; they can't force me to go into the office... That's what's great about having a union job.
@@jeffw1267 Hi. How can I DM you, I need to get some information?
Doesn't matter these days they just contact your scanner same difference.
Thank you, I will turn it down once I get orientation date. I just got called today
This is the most truthful video of usps
Not to mention when you finish everything only to come back and find out they need you to do something else. I lost several co-workers in 3 years.
The USPS is a perfect fit for me. My goodness is it a struggle though in the beginning. I’m a letter carrier and love it. I love the pay (I bank), the benefits, uniforms, and job itself. Many days it’s super rough but it always gets done. The fact is, you really have to want to be there more than anything else or else you won’t make it. You have to want to do the job to make it a career.
To the many I’ve seen come and go, the 1 factor behind their leaving was they didn’t want to do it. They didn’t want to do the work or couldn’t. 6 days a week at 10-12 hours is rough, but it does pass. But believe me, you’ll surprise yourself with what you can take.
And believe me, I get it. It’s rough sometimes, but great most of the time.
If you want to make it, you’ll need to do the following things:
1) Ask yourself, “Do I really want this place to be the source of income for my life? Do I want to be here? Do I believe in what we and I are doing?”
2) Learn how to carry the mail. There’s a lot to it and guess what? It takes a while to get it. Whether you’re in an LLV/Promaster all day or on foot, learn the processes. Learn, learn, learn. Do it right.
3) Take care of yourself. Plan well, eat healthy, get good shoes and socks. Believe in yourself. Give yourself some grace.
You can do it! And remember:
The rewards of most things, especially the best ones, are at the end, not at the beginning.
Also, to those who chose to leave, it’s all good. We all matter and are made for different things. You’re still our customers.
I totally understand bro i explain this to my wife everynight but somehow mangage to stay there.
As a former World-class marathoner who once averaged 18-22 miles per day around a job & still running 14 miles straight every single weekend, I'm going for it. I am older, childless by choice, haven''t taken more than two days off running at least 2 miles per day going on year 4, love routine work and have trained through every kind of weather and temperature twice or thrice daily without days off, I am not the least bit concerned about the management or anything prior to becoming regular. As a regular, getting done at 3-4pm with $ and benefits is something I have almost never enjoyed. I don't love micro-management but good luck avoiding that on any job. If it's not your boss that hassles you, it's your customers. Take your pick.
Definitely have to be built for the job cant be lazy you will definitely make money working overtime
Most the complaint is from the sissy generation .
I agree with everything you have said
I've been researching this for a month and read all the horrifying reviews but for some reason this was the best eye opener.
My job now has shitty pay but it has amazing benefits.
I talked to some guy the other day who set up my orientation for a cca next week. He said he was going to email me info and another background check i had to do within a few days.
He did not email me and i tried calling all day (3 days later) and can't get a hold of him.
But i'm wondering if this is some kind of sign to just say fuck it.
It probably is. My advice, don't do it. I almost had a heat stroke myself. I just took a job with good benefits but pays almost 5 dollars less an hour. But I am at peace.
Don't do it! I'm a cca and have been there over 2 years, it pays well but the amount of stress it puts on you and how much they run you into the ground is horrible. It's not worth it.
@@kimberleehinkley5978 Mb you need to work out, lift weight to gain more muscle to handle this kind of job
Did you end up taking the job or passing?
@@kimberleehinkley5978 what's an average take home paycheck( is OT included)??
I know it is bi-weekly.
I am so glad I ran across this video because I took the assessment and did my fingerprints and I actually considered working for the USPS I haven’t gotten a call back yet but if they do call me I’m turning down the position money isn’t everything!! That’s all I keep hearing people say put my head down retirement benefits the pay is good oh it’s OK I work six days a week 14 hour days, are you guys listening to yourselves? True there isn’t a perfect job out there unless you are pursuing your passion and doing what you like to do this company this organization is scary in reference to how is ran!! money is not worth the breakdown of my body and the mental stress that management is allowed to put on its carriers! I’m surprised that the carriers haven’t went on strike!! I mean if carriers went on strike everything will come to a fucking halt!!! carriers out number management and postmasters!! I’m starting to think that most letter carriers have actually do have Stockholm syndrome and they are blinded by their paychecks which is scary. Working in a hostel work place is not OK you guys need to stop normalizing this by saying the paycheck is good
It's rough. I was working easily over 60 hours a week. One day off- that's laundry, bills and groceries- there goes your day off, now back to work.
It was one of the worst jobs I ever worked and I've worked some bad ones.
I am a post office custodian. I LOVE my job ! Custodian is the best job at USPS.
What’s a custodian?
@@justkidding7523 Nice comeback 6 months late.
@@briannwo1900 ??? I don’t know what it is. But you have a good day.
@@justkidding7523 Janitor
This guy is on point. All of it. For real.
How are litter carriers getting injured on the job and some examples of the stressful things you have to deal with I’m considering this can you answer those questions I’d appreciate it. Thank you.
The injuries can come from dogs and lifting/delivering things. If you ever feel unsafe, you don’t have to deliver those items.
For example, if you have to lift a heavy package upstairs or see a dog on the street, you scan no access.
Supervisor will abuse you but you need to understand union contract.
Your first 90 days will be HELL. It gets easier after that but not better. But it gets easier.
Plus working in the cold snow rain heat sucks
If you can survive, it does get Easier but not better
Easier routes, easier schedule etc
Easy job but stupidvisors will always be hounding.
After 90 days, you can get work restriction and only work 8 hours a day. Everyone in the office will hate you but they can’t fire you. You don’t have to answer your phone on your day off.
Just got to know the game, you feel me?
Get in your truck and listen to music
I started drinking once a year on my birthday. Now I drink everyday. I've been out sick 2 months. I haven't thought about my route in two months don't care about it honestly. It's been really nice to focus on myself and my life. The job gets pissed because I won't sign up for overtime. I don't need it. Don't waste your days over working yourself for this job it only awards you with more work. They do not allow you to a work life balance. My mental health is going to go to shit in a few days since I have to return to. I have to hear the gossip, I have to hear the whining, the Bs I have to adopt tunnel vision again. I'm looking to change crafts. They don't care about your safety, I'm tired of cursing out management I need a position where they leave me alone.
I just started as a CCA , and Holy 💩 I cannot picture my life like this till I retire, no freaking way!!!
My respect to all the ladies and gentlemen that put up with this HELL HOLE….
CCA for 5 years, including the pandemic. 60-80 hours, 7 days a week. longest period worked without a day off, 40 days. but 30 to 14 days strait were regular. STill struggling to make PTF, poster master and POOM attempting to make me quit by using my contract to force me way out of town for no reason, only getting offered rural work, (for a city carrier) and getting written up when i refuse to do it and leave.. I'm supposed to be converted in a month and a half to PTF (not even regular yet) HEAVILY thinking about leaving the USPS. The job isn't worth the mental and physical strain on your health. The money is good, but to get it i've had to surrender my family, my friends, my health, and anything resembling a life.
Man!!! I hung in there and I’m a regular now I work for the Franklin PO been there 8yrs and went regular in 3yrs 😁 I applied as a RCA sub 👍🏽.
Just explained my life right now!! So true!! 🤣😕😕🤔
TV depot 😂 the pay sucks big time, I had to hit a few people with the "are you serious" line after them saying it's slavery but the pay is good, $17.69 is trash, this is LI/NYC metro, even $ 40 these 30 year veterans make is trash; the trucks have a deafening rattling steel sound
You SPEAK TRUTH. I WORKED 36YRS. IT TAKES A TOLL ON YOUR FAMILY, KIDS, AND MAKES LIFE A LIVING HELL! IT CONSUMES ALL YOUR LIFE. YOU DON'T SEE YOUR FAMILY, YOU DON'T ENJOY HOLIDAYS WITH YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE YOUR AZZ IS WORKING. WHEN YOU'RE OFF, YOUR SO DARN TIRED UNTIL ALL YOU DO IS SLEEP, TEST JUST TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. MEANING EVEN WHEN OFF YOU DO NOT SEE YOUR FAMILY FOR SLEEPING & RESTING.
I never worked for the USPS, but it seems like how I felt when I worked at O'Reilly Auto Parts. I am so happy I'm not there anymore.
Do you hear the jingle in your nightmares
Hi now i wonder why they’re hiring drivers all the time and people like me looking for inside positions can’t no find open positions in our area. Do you have a good advise for me to find a inside job? Like office position or something similar?
Thank you
Good to be honest!
You made me laugh about the yunk food for your 1/2 lunch
Yes, i walk a lot and it’s true these poor drivers always look UNHAPPY AND SO STRESS OUT!
Thank you for making this video. I was considering applying for this job. I have changed my mind.
RUN!!! IT SUCKS!!!
I actually got hired and did fingerprints and haven't started yet. I've had the same job 28 years I enjoy it but it's pretty dead in. I've been a route driver for a undercar warehouse
@@michaelmcgilvry7123 wow i left that comment a while ago. I was a PSE for a year and a half. It was a huge pain in the ass. I put up with it until they tried to make me wear a face shield at the window. I quit about 2 weeks ago. The post master was an ass hole. Everyone else there was nice however.
I'm about one month in and the job sucks. The work load is no joke. I thought it would be mellow and easy, nope it's a ton of work. I have no breaks, no lunch and I'm overwhelmed. Also, I can't drink any water because I want to avoid having to go to the bathroom on my route.