What's Wrong with Parallel EQ?
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Two plugins that can help you with PHASE: PAZ bit.ly/3a7ZlWg - InPhase bit.ly/2Uqf1gX
Thanks David for your time and all that you do for our(David's)MixbusTV community
Congrats
Jeff.
Hi David! How can I use PAZ especially for checking phase issues? Should the anti-phase range stay clear from moving, just showing some peaks, like the manual describes?
With Parallel EQ, I have to admit I really love subtle EQing before Reverb and Delay sends just to excite the right frequencies and to make sure I'm not exciting muddy and/or sibilant frequencies and/or killing transient response entirely. Since you're only taking small percentages of sends in parallel usually this only leads to a VERY small amount of phase shift. But I hadn't thought about using a linear response EQ for that job until you brought it up. I might give that go. =)
"Learn the rules before you break them" - someone needed to say it 😅👏🏻
It does answer a question, and it's something you have covered before. What's missing from the answer to their question, is a demonstration of how to get past it. Stay well
Kudos on the always informed, direct, and honest info!
"once you know the side effect, go crazy!" 😂🤣 I freakin love this line
Another great & worthwhile post!
Thx. Informative as always. I love to see a episode where an example of heavy phase shift would be repaired at a sum bus. That would be interesting and practical. Why not start a small workshop series with short episodes from time to time, related to the Q and A series?
David, please stay healthy and keep going on during those awkward times. All the best for you.
yup answered the question. simple and straight forward answer .thanks!
Great to have the opinion of an expert about it! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! Best Regards from your friend François in Montreal, Canada! 🎼🃏🎶🎵🙏😁🌠
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Great explanation
Most of the time when I see profesionales do it, they use more of a subtle and brought EQ. But yes I myself am quilty of avoiding it as well. (besides using high pass and low pass) But I think I will try it more often.
filters cause the same if not worse, just be aware of that
@@mixbustv What about using a linear eq?
and another plugin I could suggest for you to check out and review is ProAudioDSP DSM V3 which is designed by a Paul Frindle (Head designer of SSL G & E Consoles)
Yeah rules are not going to help to create the best sounding mix!
I sometimes use weird trick that gives me unique punchy, distorted sound, I put Summit audio TLA-100A as an insert to a track, for example kick drum track, then duplicate that track, flip the phase so is completely cancel out and then set the saturation knob to high, play with gain reduction amount, and you get only the focused distorted kick sound that brings it to life when blended nicely with other drums...
Great great great!
Awesome 👍 thanks
Can you do a Video on (multiband) Transient shapers vs (multiband) compressors?
Next is a video that shows us how to combat it or adjust to phase issues, right?? :)
1st . thanks for the info man!
Just got the kush eq,, nice
Just to make sure: parallel eq in the video is not parallel equalizer as in the topology :D
This is a really good subject, the pultec trick Andrew Scheps does, a pultec by its nature is very phase coerent, he takes some freq and adds after.... he is very clever....Other amazing youtube lesson guy, Dan Worral talks about this, ~emphasis de-emphasis eq~ to create effect on some saturation or compression, take off a freq and take back the right amount only yo change the behaviour of the processing. All of this is dependend of how much you blend with the dry signal. Ive experimenting eq the parallel vocal compression, a gentle bell medium Q, a few db on some low mid 200-500 helps not build so much energy in the whole mix and keeps clarity.... also been experimenting use a compressor, like a dbx 20;1, on vocal, and equing after, boosting the fundamental with a shelf with a bump and a large bell around 1k 2.5k and it really improves the punch of the compression. But all my parallel is at least -10 from the dry, based on the diference of level of a 3x1 rule of micking, that avoids phase problems in the same source.
Just to clarify, it doesn't matter how "phase coherent" an eq is, the process of eq'ing in parallel will cause phase cancellation, unless a linear phase eq is used, there's no middle ground, is either LP or not. With that said, as I mentioned many times, phase cancellations are not the end of the world and many (experienced) engineers will compensate automatically for that, even those who are not technical and don't actually know this happens (many), because at the end, how the sum sounds is important and even more how it sounds in the mix. But knowing what happens is better than not knowing and guessing because not everyone has golden ears
@@mixbustv Yes, agreed! It always will adress some phase issues, but who cares? I remember first time saw the approach of guys like Chad Blake, messing with parallel, with sansamp and all, is all about how it sounds in the end! thanks! But, we have to understand at least a bit of the physics of the sound! there is the science and the art! Thanks!
@mixbustv great vid as usual - please Tell me what the lightning effect is this in the background?
Do you have a specific approach to choosing and layering samples?
Call me seagull cuz Im winging it
Agree with you, there are no rules only creativity 😉👍
Hi David. Great stuff and thank you for sharing your nolege. I have a question. You speak often about clipping the signal. Is clipping, saturation and distorting a signal all the same thing or is there any difference between them. Best regards from Jakob.
Yes and no, these two videos will explain, but if you search "clipping" in the channel search bar a lot more will pop up ruclips.net/video/lk4D4bMu8uo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/QEHt_-tIcVE/видео.html
@@technober Yes you are absolutely right Berry. Knowledge is the correct spelling. Thank you for clarifying this for me. Sometimes auto correct is working for you but sometimes also against you. 😉
Hey David how are some of the ways you check out of phase instruments in your DAW? If you could recommend a plugin for this would be great. Thanks
Jeff from the U.S.A.
Any phase analyzer like PAZ bit.ly/3a7ZlWg or Ozone will give you some information, a plugin like InPhase bit.ly/2Uqf1gX wil help you shift the phase once you found the problem, BUT, with that said, you recognize phase problems by ear first. Hope this helps
Hey David great video! Just a question: I want to add parallel saturation to a bass track or a kick track but keeping it very clean like below 100 Hz. So I thought of this: I make a low shelf cut at 100 so that those frequencies don't get triggered by the saturator, then add saturation using the audio effect rack - I use Ableton - add the saturation as much as I want and then after that I boost the same amount I cut before the saturation. That way I get the same frequencies in the low end without them triggering the saturator - love this thing you can do in Ableton, adding parallel on a track and then process the parallel and the source all together! Any thoughts?
Copy track, use A LINEAR PHASE EQ to cut whatever freq you don't want to saturate. Add to taste to the dry signal. Don't complicate things.
Cut, don't shelf. Saturation is not a compressor, you feed it any amount of low end it WILL saturate
@@mixbustv ok got it!
Question: Mid Side microphone technique and Decca tree microphone technique is used less and less. This is a loss. Because these create the exiting recordings?
No, it's because for advanced mic setups like that you need the mics, the channels, the room. Today it's all computer based. With that said, it's a game of numbers. WIth home studios there's exponentially more people "making music" because of that, you see and hear more people cutting corners and doing things with a computer. Professionals and real recordings are still done the way is supposed to.
Hi David,
Could you say something about top down mixing and do you use this technique? I'm about to try it out but I'm not sure that it make sense. Sometimes it happens that my quick rough mix sounds better then the actual mix and then i go back and make it simpler. So it could make sense? Whats your opinion about this topic?
Greetings from Germany
Michael
I do use A version of top down mixing, but not on everything, it goes well for electronic, edm, not my preference for other genres.
But I do set my 2bus at the beginning (at least 2 out of 4 units I have in there) watch this ruclips.net/video/Gj40ZfXYPzI/видео.html
@@mixbustv thanks David 🤘
@@mixbustv sometimes i love mixing into a limiter. I know probably its wrong but i get a picture of how the instruments jump out of the mix when mastering. Keep on the great content. I learned a lot from your videos. 🤘 Michael
@@rocktonmusikschule eh.. that is not really getting the picture of how things are gonna sound in mastering, unless you are doing the mastering yourself in which case, it's not really mastering, you're just mixing and applying limiting. Good timing because a video on this is just about to be released tomorrow. The main flaws here is you're taking decisions during the mix based on how things sound with a limiter and that screws things up a lot, but again, if you're doing everything yourself, it's not really a big deal because you basically miss the mastering altogether.
@@mixbustv You are right. I'm.doing it all by myself. There is a lot stuff to learn. I will watch the next video for sure. 🤘
So, David, I asked you about your new loudness method or secret weapons on Instagram but you never answered it bruda , Regards,
ok..so it causes phase sifting but there are tools that can change again the phase like flux bittersweet..is this a therapy or not??also..the camera that you are using for your videos definitely needs something!some function to find maybe?I don't know, but the quality is poor!!
What? Bittersweet is a transient designer has absolutely nothing to do with phase *shift*
@@mixbustv ok..sorry. I had my little son besides me screaming to take my phone..so you understand!the point is if can fix it with changing the phase in the parallel EQ..????!!I meant the flux evo..
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