St Joseph was such a pure and virtuous man that his sexual/sensual appetites were subject to his intellect and will and his desire for communion with God was a much greater motivator than the base desires of sensual pleasure... that's how I've always seen him. He gave himself over entirely to God's will, just as all Christians are called to do today.
I've always suspected he was a strong man in his prime because after Jesus was born, he was awakened in the middle of the night and told to take Mary and Joseph to Egypt straight away. An old man is likely to be less capable of rolling out of bed in the middle of the night, packing up his wife and child and walking to Egypt. He would have had to have been strong and in his prime to look after them during that journey and their first few years in Egypt.
@@MatthewLeonard Hello 👋🏼 Matthew! I’m a new viewer here! I caught one of your beautiful History of MOTHER MARY series and instantly typed your name to search for your channel because if I remember correctly those cinematic, vibrant & beautifully made series were not on your channel…… Thank you for your work!!!
Thank you. Difficult as it may be for us to grasp the mystery of God becoming man- I am sure we can all agree that the humility of Mary (which was hidden on earth) and the awesome love Joseph had for her (especially after the visit by an angel- who made clear to him - that she was carrying the Son of God by the power of the Holy Spirit) it was right and fitting that this marriage was of heavenly. What graces,What a man!
Matthew- your guest stated “and it’s true!” That St Joseph was a widower with children- Who were his children Matthew??? It is THE YEAR OF SAINT JOSEPH AND so I am attending A Consecration To Saint Joseph weekly class in my local Church and haven’t learned this yet…
There you have every Thing about St Josef from his mouth to the Saint. The book I habe is in German but RUclips mayfind IT in English . His Fahrer die before St Josef was 18 years and his mother in full year his and his mother some what in his 18 then Witze the advi Center of An Engel he sell the Haus of his Familie and moped to Jerusalem and 2/3 9:32 of the prime He gave IT to the Temple and 1/3 then He startet his Prentieship in woodsorking Shop my guess is He Might bei between 25. And 27 or 28 years Old.
And if he were an older man, which my heart tells me he was, there isn’t anything wrong with that!!!!!!! Correct!?! MOTHER MARY PLEASE CRUSH SATAN’s Head soon! HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD, PLEASE HELP US SAVE OUR ONCE GREAT NATION USA!!! 🇺🇸 THANK YOU 🙏🏼 O LORD 🕯YESHUA!
Nothing wrong with being old, that's for sure:). But understanding the true age of St. Joseph re-orients our understanding of his relationship with both Jesus and Mary. God bless!
@po18guy Matthew 1:24-25: And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
@@kerprice Look at marriage vows. Both husband and wife vow to be true to their spouse UNTIL death. But that doesn't presume either will have sexual relations after death. For the surviving spouse, it means he or she wouldn't violate their original vows, but it doesn't mean he or she must have sexual relations. As for the 'firstborn son' part, that was an important legal distinction with regard to that culture's inheritance laws, but calling anyone the firstborn didn't necessarily mean the same woman ever had a secondborn. The bottom line is we can't know for sure in anyway that a legal court might consider valid, but look at what we do know, assuming we believe the literal sense in context with cultural norms for that time and place. Jesus gave responsibility for care of His mother to St. John, right? Of course there are more significant levels of understanding about those words from the cross, but if she had surviving children they would already have had that responsibility.
St. Joseph could very well have married Mary (of course, partially) because his wife died before he was 27 and needed a mother for them. My great-uncle did exactly that. And is a grown man being chaste/celebate that strange? Sex really isn't everything!
I kinda go for this. Mary and Joseph were betrothed before the Annnunciation--before they knew she would be mother to Jesus. Regardless, it doesn't bother me at all that "the brothers of Jesus" are sons of Clopus who is brother to Joseph. Joseph doesn't appear to be around at the crucifixion so maybe Clopus was looking out for his sister in law, which kept all the family in proximity.
EXCEPT that under Jewish law they would have been obligated to take care of Mary and Jesus giving Mary to John would have been breaking the law and would not only be a scandal but have severe legal repercussions. 😉
Did Mary and Joseph have a normal healthy relationship? What does Scripture say? Matthew 1:25 - The New International Version (NIV) 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. Matthew 1:25 - King James Version (KJV 1900) 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Matthew 1:25 - New Living Translation (NLT) 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. Matthew 1:25 - The New King James Version (NKJV) 25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus. Matthew 1:25 - New Century Version (NCV) 25 but he did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to the son. And Joseph named him Jesus. Matthew 1:25 - American Standard Version (ASV 1901) 25 and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS. Why is this so hard for people to accept? And the brothers of Jesus were....wait for it....brothers. Not cousins.
If that were the case, then Jesus giving his mother to John would have been an ILLEGAL act under Jewish law, because her other children legally had that responsibility. Joseph knew that because of the conjugal relationship between Mary and the Holy Spirit she was the spouse of the holy spirit. (The New Ark of the Covenant.) And that Jesus was the long awaited messiah. Just as no one could touch the Ark without being a high priest. Joseph would not have touched her.
@@gatekeeper96740 You are just throwing made-up theology that clearly conflicts with actual Scripture. The Old Testament of where only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies is just not relevant No different from the fact that people actually touched Jesus, kissed His feet, touched and felt His hair, kissed His face... and Jesus touched them too. Why fight with Scripture? Why this desire in not accepting the fact that Mary and Joseph had a typical husband/wife relationship, including other children? It's all there in black and white and doesn't in any way take away from Jesus, Mary, Joseph, the Gospel message, etc.
@po18guy No one has an obsession with sex except Catholics. The Bible is clear that Jesus had actual brothers and sisters. Why is that so shocking? It isn't. And those facts don't negate that Jesus was born of a virgin. Get real.
@po18guy What in the world does Mary and Joseph having a "married relationship" have to do with pool parties, hookers, and fentanyl? Nothing. What it does mean is what it says....a relationship that would not be "different" than other married relationships. Why this desire to fight Scripture? Really.
@po18guy I'm not trolling....just not in agreement with this video. Unlike you I allow Scripture to be Scripture. I don't try to make it fit to a predetermined agenda. Really....what could this simple verse mean..."25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus." ? Do you understand the word consummate? Do you understand the word until? I'm not the one trying to argue away the obvious.
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Thank you! St Joseph is my patron Saint! St Joseph pray for us!❤
St Joseph was such a pure and virtuous man that his sexual/sensual appetites were subject to his intellect and will and his desire for communion with God was a much greater motivator than the base desires of sensual pleasure... that's how I've always seen him. He gave himself over entirely to God's will, just as all Christians are called to do today.
Dr. Brant Pitre is a treasure. Thanks to you both for sharing your gifts with us.
I've always suspected he was a strong man in his prime because after Jesus was born, he was awakened in the middle of the night and told to take Mary and Joseph to Egypt straight away. An old man is likely to be less capable of rolling out of bed in the middle of the night, packing up his wife and child and walking to Egypt. He would have had to have been strong and in his prime to look after them during that journey and their first few years in Egypt.
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Thank you. I so appreciate you both.
God bless you always!
😍🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️❤️ St Joseph, pray for us!
Listening to both of you is real treasure, thank you for sharing, it's very helpful and enriching. May God bless you'll
Dr. Pitre is always good.
Matthew you are the best...
You're very kind:)
Great stuff guys! Thanks for this!
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Hello 👋🏼 Matthew! I’m a new viewer here! I caught one of your beautiful History of MOTHER MARY series and instantly typed your name to search for your channel because if I remember correctly those cinematic, vibrant & beautifully made series were not on your channel……
Thank you for your work!!!
@@conservativeladyofcaliforn3044 You are very welcome! (If you liked my series on Mary, you should check out www.scienceofsainthood.com/) God bless!
Pitre is the consummate Christian/Catholic teacher. Nice Taylor guitar in background
Tnx tnx for this confirmation!
Thank you. Difficult as it may be for us to grasp the mystery of God becoming man- I am sure we can all agree that the humility of Mary (which was hidden on earth) and the awesome love Joseph had for her (especially after the visit by an angel- who made clear to him - that she was carrying the Son of God by the power of the Holy Spirit) it was right and fitting that this marriage was of heavenly. What graces,What a man!
Thank you for this detailed explanation about St. Joseph! He's my patron saint.
Thank you
Really fascinating. I respect saint Joseph.
I've always believed he was younger
Thank you 😊for the video
Great stuff
Thank you for these explanations!
In the book The Life of Mary as seen but the mystics, Joseph was only 40 plus when he died. Like Mother Mary, Joseph also took a vow of chastity.
When Mary was pregnant with Jesus by the Holy Spirit, Saint Joseph was 33and half years old, perpetually virgin. (that is what I heard)
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Let's have this fun debate guys! ruclips.net/video/X34YPZPgsxY/видео.html
Yes filo nails it
Awesome! How does this apply to Simeon which English translations call a “man”? So then, was Simeon also NOT an “old man” as he is usually pictured?
Matthew- your guest stated “and it’s true!” That St Joseph was a widower with children-
Who were his children Matthew???
It is THE YEAR OF SAINT JOSEPH AND so I am attending A Consecration To Saint Joseph weekly class in my local Church and haven’t learned this yet…
@Fr. Donald Calloway, MIC
Thank you Father Calloway🕊! 🙏🏼
We debated this topic here: ruclips.net/video/2WRCy8yRVHA/видео.html
Man in his prime !
How old was Mary then?
Dr Pitre
Preise check the writing St caecilia
There you have every Thing about St Josef from his mouth to the Saint. The book I habe is in German but RUclips mayfind IT in English .
His Fahrer die before St Josef was 18 years and his mother in full year his and his mother some what in his 18 then Witze the advi Center of An Engel he sell the Haus of his Familie and moped to Jerusalem and 2/3 9:32 of the prime He gave IT to the Temple and 1/3 then He startet his Prentieship in woodsorking Shop my guess is He Might bei between 25. And 27 or 28 years Old.
Tehe above wird Preise wrong IT should be Preise read
33 Jesus
Cause that’s what you are taught ! Thanks to Paul and the Greeks ! SMH ty for your info !
And if he were an older man, which my heart tells me he was, there isn’t anything wrong with that!!!!!!! Correct!?!
MOTHER MARY PLEASE CRUSH SATAN’s Head soon! HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD, PLEASE HELP US SAVE OUR ONCE GREAT NATION USA!!! 🇺🇸 THANK YOU 🙏🏼 O LORD 🕯YESHUA!
Nothing wrong with being old, that's for sure:). But understanding the true age of St. Joseph re-orients our understanding of his relationship with both Jesus and Mary. God bless!
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YESSSSSSS I understand…… THANK YOU 🙏🏼 MATTHEW!!!
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Yes. But I those days old was OLD! 190 years old and such …
Old men don't walk to Egypt.
Then why do they call ciusins cousins in the bible? Why does Mary have to be perceived as a perpetual virgin
@po18guy Matthew 1:24-25: And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
@@kerprice Look at marriage vows. Both husband and wife vow to be true to their spouse UNTIL death. But that doesn't presume either will have sexual relations after death. For the surviving spouse, it means he or she wouldn't violate their original vows, but it doesn't mean he or she must have sexual relations.
As for the 'firstborn son' part, that was an important legal distinction with regard to that culture's inheritance laws, but calling anyone the firstborn didn't necessarily mean the same woman ever had a secondborn.
The bottom line is we can't know for sure in anyway that a legal court might consider valid, but look at what we do know, assuming we believe the literal sense in context with cultural norms for that time and place. Jesus gave responsibility for care of His mother to St. John, right? Of course there are more significant levels of understanding about those words from the cross, but if she had surviving children they would already have had that responsibility.
St. Joseph could very well have married Mary (of course, partially) because his wife died before he was 27 and needed a mother for them. My great-uncle did exactly that. And is a grown man being chaste/celebate that strange? Sex really isn't everything!
I kinda go for this. Mary and Joseph were betrothed before the Annnunciation--before they knew she would be mother to Jesus. Regardless, it doesn't bother me at all that "the brothers of Jesus" are sons of Clopus who is brother to Joseph. Joseph doesn't appear to be around at the crucifixion so maybe Clopus was looking out for his sister in law, which kept all the family in proximity.
EXCEPT that under Jewish law they would have been obligated to take care of Mary and Jesus giving Mary to John would have been breaking the law and would not only be a scandal but have severe legal repercussions. 😉
Catholic doctrine is so distorted that it is hard to even listen to it. But I do like the lesson on the Greek words.
Read Tenakh they should get your hide going ! Jewish Bible
Most Chaste Spouse. There is another great, dare I say, icon for all christian men to model themselves after. Saint Joseph, Pray for us.
Did Mary and Joseph have a normal healthy relationship? What does Scripture say?
Matthew 1:25 - The New International Version (NIV)
25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Matthew 1:25 - King James Version (KJV 1900)
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Matthew 1:25 - New Living Translation (NLT)
25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.
Matthew 1:25 - The New King James Version (NKJV)
25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
Matthew 1:25 - New Century Version (NCV)
25 but he did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to the son. And Joseph named him Jesus.
Matthew 1:25 - American Standard Version (ASV 1901)
25 and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS.
Why is this so hard for people to accept? And the brothers of Jesus were....wait for it....brothers. Not cousins.
If that were the case, then Jesus giving his mother to John would have been an ILLEGAL act under Jewish law, because her other children legally had that responsibility.
Joseph knew that because of the conjugal relationship between Mary and the Holy Spirit she was the spouse of the holy spirit. (The New Ark of the Covenant.) And that Jesus was the long awaited messiah. Just as no one could touch the Ark without being a high priest. Joseph would not have touched her.
@@gatekeeper96740 You are just throwing made-up theology that clearly conflicts with actual Scripture. The Old Testament of where only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies is just not relevant No different from the fact that people actually touched Jesus, kissed His feet, touched and felt His hair, kissed His face... and Jesus touched them too. Why fight with Scripture? Why this desire in not accepting the fact that Mary and Joseph had a typical husband/wife relationship, including other children? It's all there in black and white and doesn't in any way take away from Jesus, Mary, Joseph, the Gospel message, etc.
@po18guy No one has an obsession with sex except Catholics. The Bible is clear that Jesus had actual brothers and sisters. Why is that so shocking? It isn't. And those facts don't negate that Jesus was born of a virgin. Get real.
@po18guy What in the world does Mary and Joseph having a "married relationship" have to do with pool parties, hookers, and fentanyl? Nothing. What it does mean is what it says....a relationship that would not be "different" than other married relationships. Why this desire to fight Scripture? Really.
@po18guy I'm not trolling....just not in agreement with this video. Unlike you I allow Scripture to be Scripture. I don't try to make it fit to a predetermined agenda. Really....what could this simple verse mean..."25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus." ?
Do you understand the word consummate? Do you understand the word until? I'm not the one trying to argue away the obvious.