Refugee/Migrant crisis debated on Question Time - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2015
- The panel including Yanis Varoufakis, Ken Clarke MP, Chris Bryant MP, Suzanne Evans and Julia Hartley-Brewer debate the refugee/migrant crisis.
Yanis Varoufakis debated Ukip's Suzanne Evans' about whether or not more refugees should be allowed into the the UK.
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I struggle to put into the words the feelings I have towards these people.
Devonian , who are. ‘ these people “ ? That are upsetting your feelings ? My feelings become upset listening to comfortable people without imagination and compassion, what are they afraid off ? , do they not realize their placing human beings into categories !
Look wt the mess now because of ro Golders country is on its knees no housing
Bottom line it needs to be controlled, 5 years on, and its getting worse. In those 5 years, nothing has been done. It's like a free for all, ask any working class citizen what life is like now in U.K 2021
silly comment. immigrants don’t take your jobs, they do the ones you don’t want to.
Weird to hear a Greek saying borders are an absurdity and we're all economic migrants from Africa. I think the Greek civilization's contributions to history rather depended on it recognising borders, and fighting intruders, or those bloody Trojans.
Eh, quite the opposite actually, which is why you had Classical Greek colonies & migrants from Spain to Afghanistan, often under the suzerainty of a local power.
Those Greeks recognized borders rather poorly when it stood in the way of economic sense and why not, after all, "Greece" wasn't a thing to them.
Those same Greeks also fought themselves more than they *ever* fought intruders (mainland Greece wasn't exactly a prize). And more often than not those intruders could count on the support of one Greek city or another if it meant an opportunity to knock one of their neighbors down a peg!
Ancient and medieval borders were rather vague in general. Where one empire/kingdom stopped and another started largely depended on which of them exacted tribute from the people in a given area. They might also use natural geographic boundaries, but this was more out of practicality (it's difficult to project military force over huge rivers and/or mountains). There certainly weren't any of these complex, specific borders you see on maps today.
here we have a nationalist telling someone what they should think about nationalism, based of their nationality. strangely mr Varoufakis' values arent dependent on what may or may not that have been important to ancient greek civilisations
I'm sitting here in shock. Suzanne Evans was the only one who made any sense and received zero applause. The next speaker regurgitates the tired old line of 'We are all immigrants' and something about there are no borders in space and the audience applause with enthusiasm. Common sense is just thrown out of the window. Everyone is desperately trying to show what a nice person they are. Are they doing it out of fear or genuine compassion?
+mikaelhs Well what no one bothered to mention is that Germany has the LOWEST birth rate in the world and yet it is the 2nd largest world economy. Demographically speaking, Germany, is dying. Ethnic Germans have given up having children and in my opinion, this is why Merkel has opened the doors to millions of migrants. What this really is about, is population replacement, but had I been there and said that I would have been lynched on the spot.
Suzanne Evans response was drenched in fear and selfishness, it was also inconsistent with the ukip claim of the 5th biggest economy in the world, but we can't afford to be more generous with the number of refugees coming into the nation?
You are wrong, Julie Hartley brewer did make that point...
What's to debate? Give free housing to Britain's own homeless, not refugees - and what right has that Greek to speak about Great Britain's policies?
+infinitecanadian Dunno. What right does a Canadian have to speak about Great Britain's policies?
Trystan Jones
Which Canadian is that? I see no Canadians on this Question Time debate.
+Trystan Jones I value his opinion over yours, and I'm English.
+infinitecanadian That greek looks like a migrant anyway.
+infinitecanadian That's weak. Varoufakis has as much right as you do, as a foreigner, to comment on our affairs. And unlike you he actually knows a thing or two about European politics, and is an accomplished economist who can rise above trite and simplistic anti-migrant rhetoric.
Did he just argue against borders as a concept?
+PhiloAmericana If you zoom out far enough "from space", actually, who cares if everyone died or the solar system collapsed... let's just die now before the inevitable heat death of the universe...
+aaron4820 It's some bullshit leftist dogma I used to believe in as well. I suppose he wouldn't mind if Greece's demography shifted to the point where ethnic Greeks comprised even 60% of the population.
+Leo Anaxandridas Why are you calling me an idiot? Why are you so angry and emotional? What did I say that offended you so much?
ethan intellekt To say it's some bullshit leftist dogma? What are you exactly talking about?
+Leo Anaxandridas I said calling for a world without borders is a bullshit leftist dogma. Is that what you want? A world without states and borders? Where people can migrate freely and in hoards, potentially shifting the indigenous populations and cultures out?
imagine being forced to open your doors & allow strangers from different civilizations to live with you.
*The future will not be kind to the traitors.*
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Even for the BBC, this is a left wing audience. Jesus christ.
+David James Yes. hand picked by the sound of it.
+David James HUH? YOU THINK QT IS RIGHT WING? LOL!THE AUDIENCE IS ALWAYS LOADED WITH LIBERALS WHO CARE MORE ABOUT BEING SEEN AS BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT THAN THEIR OWN KIDS SAFETY!
+MusbCrazy80 yep
+David James Why is everything called 'left-wing'? The elites want more immigration. It helps the rich and the BBC is just giving us propaganda. The masters are not 'right-wing' or 'left-wing' rather they just see us as enemies. Let us not turn this into a partisan issue. Some real left-wingers could possibly be on our side. I Know how you feel. The pro-immigration people like to paint themselves as left-wing.
***** I agree. I will respond more soon.
'Doing the right thing' will be the downfall of this country.
What the hell are you saying
And look what happened.... Brexit is the beginning of the end.
Yeah mass uncontrolled immigration and negotiating with the EU on austerity worked well for Greece didn't it ex Greek finance minister?
+Shh Winner It does surprise me that the British would allow some foreign politician from Greece tell them what to do.
Varoufakis took absolutely no shit from the EU. That's why he ended up failing. If anything, he's exactly who we needed for Brexit.
Interesting there wasn't so much as a murmur, when Ken Clarke used the word "flood", yet there was outrage, when Nigel Farage used the exact same word.
There was outrage at farage because he stood alongside a poster that showed a masive line of people marching on a road, a picture that was also false, because he tried to say they were turkish migrants, when infact the image was from afghanistan in 2012...he faced outrage because he lied, not because of the use of 1 word.
One rule for the establishment and another rule for everyone else it seems..
probably because the context makes clear he is emphasising the enormity of the humanitarian crisis rather dehumanising an insecure refugee population and painting them as threatening invaders. i know you guys are all sharing one brain cell you rub together but it isn't just about specific words, it's about the way theyre used and the meaning and intention theyre given. hope this helps!
'English people ARE just as much foreigners as the refugees' and 'There are no borders in space'. These are becoming increasingly familiar arguments, but if you go back far enough, then everyone was a foreigner at some point right? The Neanderthals were the dominant hominid species in Europe till Homosapiens from Africa came along. How long do people have to live in their country for it to be their country? For example, are we now saying Nigeria belongs to Europeans just as much as it does to Nigerians, or that Europeans have as much a right to live in India as Indians do? I'm getting very confused.
2:20 "The answer to the question is exactly the opposite."
So we should take more than we can cope with?
And will he personally fund it?
Scrambling for relevance ^^^
You cannot keep constantly taking people in, without limits, to the detriment of a countries own citizens causing resentment upset and anger, because it all ends in frustration and tears.
immigrants don’t add to nhs waiting lists
@@christiantaylor9266 Tough. Many Brits disagree with you, I'm glad Brexit got done, I'm glad the EU migrants got a kicking from the Brits and told to go kiss their backsides back to Central and Eastern Europe, I'm glad we're out of Europe, I know a few painters and decorators where I live who've been kicked out of the game because of these lot doing things on the cheap, that isn't fair!
@@anthonyperkins7556 if somebody offered to do the same job for you for less, would you say no?
@@christiantaylor9266 I'd rather have a quality job and I'll always pick British tradesman over an EU migrant and I don't care how xenophobic it sounds to you so suck it up buttercup because I'm HAPPY THAT WAY AND I'LL ALWAYS REFUSE business from an EU migrant, I couldn't care less..
@@anthonyperkins7556 but you’d lose profit and then lost in the market to better businesses.. eventually your company would have to fold as you’d go bankrupt
She is NOT right about 1 in five, there is 1 in 9! All the actual refugees say, that actual Syrians are 10 or LESS than 10%!
+Elizabete Louda Well done on your homework :)
Wow people cheering when he said borders are an absurdity when looked at from soace. Wow. Maybe uk and europe do deserve whats coming.
We should take anyone but UK is so small. I'd hazard a guess that we take more migrants than countries with ten times the habitable land. It's so bad here People are renting their garages out as living spaces. I know people that have been on housing lists for up to 15 years. Seems like Our interests are not fairly represented. bbc want more licence payers, politicians want more clients of the state; not a thought is given to poor people getting poorer by declining living standards through an increased cost of living.
I think it's clear by the last election result what people think about the EU and free movement of people. I think that people struggling to get a home or their child a place in school, or even a medical appointment do not think it's a good idea to have open borders, it's case of simple maths, more people in the country = more drain on resources. When will we start to take care of our own people before trying to solve the rest of the worlds problems ? When there are no need for food banks and the homeless situation has been solved, then we can start helping others. I ask one question, would you feed your neighbors children before your own ?
@Maxine McKenzie 23 Tax the rich too much and they will set business in other countries hence no jobs.
Suzanne quality 2 minute speech no clap, Yanis in favor of migrants 2 seconds in round of applause. If only the audience was fair.
the audience is educated
@@christiantaylor9266 You mean indoctrinated.
"they are starving to death" really? yet they have the money to pay the traffickers and they all seem to have mobile phones. Yanis Varoufakis, I think you're full of BS.
Let them fight for their homeland like we did...... they expect us to then curse us for it...
+gwyn Jones How the hell can they fight when US ,Europe ,Russia ,China ... All major countries in the world are getting involved with supplying weapons to all sides ? ,You either take Isis side or Assad side and both are bad choices for most people in Syria .
+gwyn Jones When did you fight for your homeland you absolute mongrel
+Leo Anaxandridas Well I was a military Wife ,, And as to the mongrel , interesting choice of words ,, I am English and Welsh ,, A celtic Mogrel if you choose and a proud one !! These men are leaving their women and childen behind .. Some men huh ? Explain how Men of fighting age flee their countries to suck benefits from western countries and leave the weak behind .. . ,, And so my friend I pose to you the same you posed to me Have you faught for your country ?
gwyn Jones Hahaha. Everyone is obliged to military service in my country so yes I have served my country. A lot better than you have too. See, my countries military is 100% Defence and it is based in our homeland not the other side of the world.
You're English and you think You're Celtic? The Welsh are the original Britons but if you check out their DNA you will see Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Basque, Scandinavian.
+Leo Anaxandridas So you defend these men leaving their country and their women and children behind , And you expect the western countries to put their own people on hold to house and feed these men .. I see
8 years later and look at the mess now.
At the start, Susanne Evans made a good, valid point about the migrant crisis based entirely upon logic and facts. When she finished - she received no applause. The audience was completely dead.
Yanis Varoufakis, the finance minister of greece - the same country that is suffering a severe economic crisis, however said this:
"To have this moral panic because of a few wretched souls in Calais, this country deserves a lot better"
By saying this, he has just painted himself a thick, vibrant shade of naive. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it only takes a minority to spoil it for the majority through use of underhanded tactics. And ofcourse his view deserves the biggest round of applause you could imagine. Love that exclusive left-wing audience, BBC.
Because our country is so densely populated, we should employ a strict and rigorous vetting system for migrants and refugees. We should base it on the amount of value the migrant/refugee can bring to our country, if they are safe, and whether or not they are (or can be) self-sustainable. This country already has a benefits culture consisting of people who sit on their arse doing sweet FA while claiming multiple types of benefit to sustain themselves. We do not need more of these types of people.
The extreme left in a nutshell. The lack of critical thinking going on is being led by leftist fantasy thinking not logic based problem solving. Thats why they clapped like seals.
It is unbelievable how some men are unable to hear a woman talk without interrupting her
I'm left on most issues but on the refugees/migrants sitution I swing towards the right. So I was very surprised and disappointed when the UKIP member stops talking after making absolute common sense, the room is very quiet. However once the other gentleman says hes the "complete opposite" the fucking audience cheers.........seriously?
*sigh*
I just lost all respect for Yanis Varoufakis. "Borders absurdity from space." I mean, c'mon.
It was a cheap shot, but he wasn't wrong. Borders are a human construct.
I really like Yanis. Dont agree with some of his ideas, but he is incredibly smart, makes his points well and gets us into the debate proper.
Do u agree when he said we all come from Africa 🤨???
@@nicolasmithy3644 it must be true,the BBC keep telling us :-) The stupidity and lack of simple common sense from this Yanis bloke is clear , smug look , smile and wait for the cheers from the poor old sheep .
Debates won't solve the problems, it's just hot air and nothing will be done.
@@nicolasmithy3644 we did all come from Africa. He only mentioned this tongue I'm cheek. He just means borders are arbitrary. Not a short term solution though
Yanis varifakis is the only person i am listening to on this debate,
The rest of them are dishonest, twisted human waste...
No Suzanne was the only one that spoke sense.
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yanis didnt make any sense at all. he said nothing of value, just some new age babble about how borders shouldnt existst. nonsense
AND WHY ARE THERE SO MANY REFUSE????
WHY???
ANSWER PLEASE .
i love how the Tory was complaining about all the things she's in Government to actually do something about...stop moaning! get fixing!
logic just doesn't apply to the arguments of the bald guy, he's just appeling to uneducated peoples empathy
Managed show .. even.the audience were carefully chosen
Are you British Indian? Cool I love my Indian living in UK I wish I can also come to uk
It's all right it's never honest why would you allow aslimik ghettos why not have lovely quite nice england
If they’ve arrived at our shores by land and sea then they’re not refugees.
You don't have honest debates you have let's be kind debates
Varoufakis is a joke - yes, migration of peoples has gone on for 1000´s years and continues today in a "traditional" way in africa, south america and maybe elsewhere, BUT when those migrants in history and now got to another land or country, no one provided them with a house and all services, food, clothing, education, medical services, protection of themselves and their rights by a security service and legal sytem AND ALL THIS FOR FREE and without requiring then to work for the society they chose to migrate to. He talks of what if the USA didnt accept migrants in the last century - again those people arrived, washed dishes, farmed, worked, grafted from day one to survive and build their future. Come on, i spent time in syria as well as many other arab/muslim countries and the mentailty is generally to do as little work as is necessary to survive, arriving in europe with no language skills, a aversion to work and more than enough money from the benefits system to live, are they going to find jobs if there are any. He comes from a country that bankrupted itself through over indulgence and preaches migrant charity to the eu states that keeps bailing him and his country out...WOW. Dear Mr Varoufakis, 99% of these migrants entering the eu are either from safe and secure refugee camps in turkey, jordan or lebanon or from other countries not engulfed in war, so they are not escaping death but are in search of heaven, ie, benefits heaven of the wealthy eu countries. the only person who talked reality was suzanne evans - and yes, the issue is not the 1000´s or even 100,000´s, its the 10 million migrants that are likely to get to the eu in the next year or so if the weakling politicians dont man up to the looming crisis - how will the major eu countries deal with 1 million migrants arriving or being forced upon each country and what impact will that have both economically and socially?
+NoChallenge Brits have been cast aside for decades with the "too lazy to work" LIE, theyre importing VOTERS and they dont care where they come from nor its consequences.
you are a joke
We are not all migrants!
Your ancestors
Not as far back and very very distant ancestors that make any difference.
14:00 Hungary is secular, Poland I'm not sure, it is very catholic, BUT christianity - rejecting islam is Not the main reason for not accepting refugees. I think that Eastern European countries are not obsessed with Social Justice and don't have a problem with Political correctness. I think half a century behind the iron curtain produced a bit different mindset, mentality, attitude. I think that hearts of liberals don't bleed as much.
Poland’s constitution does enshrine the concept of secularism as the main way of dealing with religions, however the Catholic Church does benefit from a “John Paul II dividend”, which means that it has a major influence in the policy making structures in Poland, as well as a form of moral leadership on the center-right/right wing parties in Poland.
@@darwincity I see. Makes sense. Sounds like America few decades ago when christianity had major influence in politics. As a left leaning liberal I was against that "moral majority" back then. Now they are standing against authoritarian left, fighting against Woke insanity...defending western civilisation itself.
Are those migrants and refugees will be there forever?
@@syantikshinta3779 Depends why are they coming. When wars end most refugees return to their homes. Nobody wants to leave their home. Economic migrants sometimes go back after years or decades but mostly (or many) stay for good. Whatever the case, that's why we need regulation.
I was born in the UK with ancestry stretching back 800years in this country.... i work. Never smoked, never done drugs, rarely drink... why am I homeless and yet I see in the same council houses that i could have been given or offered being lived in by people from other countries.... our landmass vs the landmass of countries like greece or germany doesnt compare.... let the countries with huge land masses take em in.
You're homeless because we have an economic system that doesn't give a shit whether you NEED a house, only if you can AFFORD one. Those people from other countries are just like you - they want a place to live, an income and to keep themselves and their family fed. There's more than enough houses for all of us and then some, but that's not how housing is distributed. You need money for a house, and a job for money. The people who decide whether you get a house or a job - the government, your boss - they're your enemy. They employ migrants over us because they can pay them zilch, treat them like shit and get away with it. They'd employ us over them if they could do the same to us. They do everything they can to maintain the status quo because it gives a labor pool to exploit - if they can't shit on them, they'll shit on us, then tell us its the migrants fault we're poor.
You and I have more in common with the migrant worker than we will ever have with our bosses or bourgeois Tory aristocrats.
@@PsilentMusicUK why should you get a house when you can't afford it? Would have a house to steal if someone hadn't afforded it? Do you think houses just spring out of the ground?
@@mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 Because it's a necessity for any human being to have even a basic standard of living, and because I'm not a gigantic sociopath.
Same conversation 6 years later
Thank god for people for Suzanne Evans.
We have to stop letting people shut down conversations with emotive pleas rather than facts. If someone cries about losing their country and doesn't say "how" or "why", you should ignore them until they do. Likewise, if someone begs and pleas about the plight of humankind without explaining what will be done and what the effects will be, they should be ignored!!!! This Yanis fella is a sadistic freak who wants to look like big man on the world stage, and he obviously knows exactly how to manipulate the majority.
When is the west going to stop selling its arms and weapons to conflict ridden countries!
One simple question::Where are they all going to live?We have thousands of homeless already,so it doesn’t seem too sensible to take too many.
Golf courses take up more land in the UK than houses, The Netherlands has less than a quarter of land area than England yet has excepted twice the amount of asylum seekers than Great Britain, what’s so Great about that ?
@@colinstephenson5386 So are you suggesting we build on our golf courses?What about football grounds?We could build quite a lot of property on those,Lake District? Plenty of room there to whack up loads of blocks of flats.Yes,,of course we have room to build but we need our areas of natural beauty and our recreation areas kept as they are! Or do you want to build everywhere?
Btw, how come this is a biased debate and a leftist audience? Don't you think the panel is balanced with representatives of all the major trends regarding migration in the UK? Is this the first time that Question Time invites a "third party" (non UK citizen) to participate or maybe you think that inviting someone from the country that is mostly hit by migration is unjustified? Was Suzanne Evans the only speaker to be interrupted? Wasn't she also cheered by the audience at times?
Thank you, i'm glad someone here is being fair to the BBC. They don't want to hear the voice that disagrees with them and will call anything they disagree with bias.
Meanwhile many of them promote anti-refugee, Russia Today, a shining example of non bias media *cough* Putin runs the channel *cough*
When we took in refugees from World War 2 Europe we didn't let the Nazis in with them, to carry on the persecution here did we?
Similarly is vital that we are careful not to let in Islamic State fighters, now battle hardened and desensitized by their atrocities.
Start fair traiding, stop waste, start produce quality, start helping where needed instead of building up ego-kingdoms in pleasure-worlds.
Get your own lives sorted and purified.
Stop putting others lower than yourself, learn to communicate properly, control your fears and look for ambiguous solutions.
We all want to live we all prefer friends over enemies. Is it not better to live with loving caring friends instead of playing Golf alone? Instead of playing computergames alone?
Lets come back to Golf and computergames when the problems are solved and we have made some more friends.
Hadn't got bloody clue
How's Germany looking these days Yanis??
Did he say ,,,,they when back,,,,or am I hearing things
Those two women were by far the most reasonable. They were capable of thinking rationally rather than constant virtue signalling
Same
Each ethnic group has a right to a homeland!
No they dont, just look at countries like malaysia, singapore, suriname, guyana, ethiopia, fiji etc
These countries are ethnically and religiously diverse and they seem to be okay with existing in a nation with other colours and creeds.
You’re just obsessed with race, its lame
@@addmin5487 Notice how they are mostly countries in the new world. Where the native people were forcibly replaced by the europeans. The migrant crisis is between old world nations. The migrants are viewed as invaders by the europeans. This also happened with the arabs invaded north Africa, the amabzign viewed the arabs as invaders. The homeland of the ethnic groups in the new world is still the old world.
@@pawl23 what in the fuck are you talking about.
So you argue the scary brown people are not like us and therefore we deserve our own ethnostate.
I give you plenty of examples where the scary browns and blacks coexist perfectly fine without the need for a state-wide ethnic identity, instead they have a nationalist identity.
But then you are arguing that the only reason why they are able to coexist is because they were invaded at some point? And that they have been brought into the new world?
I cant lie, you are incredibly incoherent, and it just sounds like a ridiculous excuse to be a white nationalist in the face of many examples where multiethnic and multi-religious countries work together just fine.
You are the one stuck in the old world my friend.
@@addmin5487 the victims of grooming gangs would totally agree with you 😂
Well said sir. Now f... off from N.Ireland?.
There are no countries that are 'sparsely populated'. If a country is 60% arid and has a small population, it already has too many people. Every corner of the earth is overpopulated.
Starving and homeless people are starving and homeless people regardless of nationality. The argument that the UK should first take care "its own" homeless is clearly racist (prioritizing human rights according to racial/ethnic criteria). The very existence of homeless and starving people in the UK is a reflection of policies promoting inequality within the country and it is those policies (that benefit the richer while making life more difficult for the poorer) that have to be changed. The UK is on the G8 and has a population of 65 million. Accepting 650.000 migrants/refugees (1% of population) over a reasonable time-period (e.g. 5 years) should be a good start with minimum to zero negative impacts for the British welfare-/well-being (provided the above-mentioned transition of policies starts to be realized). Same applies for all European countries.
+elmerfadd I believe I can say this without intruding into your internal matter too much. As a general principle every government is obligated to serve its own people first and foremost. That's the pact the government makes with its citizens when the citizens give them the power to rule over them. It's not racism for a government to prioritize its own citizens before foreigners. In fact it's breaking this sacred trust with their citizens if they don't.
Anna Liddell "As a general principle every government is obligated to serve its own people first and foremost." Ahmmm, the simple answer to that is "No". Where did you see/read/hear that? This is in violation of any human rights declaration/agreement that exists within the EU. And it is racism to prioritize human rights according to nationality and/or race. Otherwise, can you please explain to me what racism is?
elmerfadd
Countries MUST put the interests of their own people ahead of any foreigner. That is what they exist to do. If they don't do it then they lose their legitimacy.
What is racism? An overused slur.
+elmerfadd
"Starving and homeless people are starving and homeless people regardless of nationality"
So why aren't the Saudi's taking care of the families living below the poverty line in the UK... where are the Iraq foodbanks for UK families... infact why isn't Saudi Arabia taking in refugees!!!
I can only guess you think the Middles Eastern countries are racist too for not paying into our social welfare budget.
Why don't you name Saudi's as racists also?!?
HitManHey
A government is designed to serve the interests of their people. That's not racism. That's how it is supposed to be. You made a good point!
This immigration could have been controlled at any time. Schools, hospitals, houses etc could also have been built at any time. The truth is that the British governments for years have just not been doing their job!!!!!!!! There is a huge amount of GB that is empty!!!
So to help these economic fella"s we concrete over the UK & FEED & HOUSE THEM ALL FOR FREE
fuck the fields right? just build stuff and fill it with people that btw hate your way of life
As if S Moore cares about NHS, homeless or the poor!
Apart from Yanis Varoufakis who is a visitor from Greece the rest of the panel are relatively well off some more than others, all I would think have a reasonable roof over their head. With nearly 1.7 million households in England on a local authority housing waiting list and the Country only building less than 200,000 homes a year. How can we possibly allow any more immigrants into the Country that do not have the skills the economy needs? If we do the only people that will suffer are the poorest in our Country, not the panel, nor does it appear the majority of the audience.
stupid commen
I hate being lectured by people like Hartley-Brewer. She really seems to be callous.
There is 2 empty prision on the Isle of Wight
As a non-European I will try to comment carefully but if I step out of place I do apologize. This is an internal issue that must be addressed by the people effected and not by outsiders who aren't effected and as outsiders don't have the necessary understanding. But my people of course face a similar (I didn't say the same since no two people or cultures are ever the same) problem so again I apologize if I speak out of term. But it did quite strike me that people like Yanis Varoufakis always seem to support immigration yet these immigrants by and large don't settle in communities that Yanis Varoufakis live in do they? They tend to live in gated communities in high end areas away from the effects of the policies they expose. I practically wanted to say YANIS - how many of them are going to stay at your house?
Suzanne Evans is right the we (the West) are responsible for the causes of the refugee crisis in Iraq and Syria. But then she says that we aren't responsible for economic migrants. Well, in most cases, these migrants are fleeing from extreme poverty caused by IMF/World Bank/troika-imposed Structural Adjustment Policies (austerity, privatization, trade liberalization, etc.). Mexico and the US is an example (we impose trade policies that block their development, so they flee).
Bullshit, the west is the developed world! they run because their countries is run by shit, so they deserve it.
01:00, UKIP TALKING SHIT!
20,000?!!??!!?
How much would that cost per year?
And who will pay for this experiment?
Just one question, what is the causation of all this conflict that is causing all these people to flee?? Is it Christianity? Is it Hinduism? Is it Judaism? What is the causation of all this conflict??
That dark haired woman was brilliant, just shows how biased the bbc is that nobody in the audience clapped
Shut up dickhole and mind your own business, and by the way your comment just shows how judgemental you are,
' Dark Haired woman' Who flippin cares what colour her hair is.
Another audience selected by woke BBC
Not one ,Not one !!
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When I lose my job and house, who will take me in as an economic migrant? Nobody....it only happens here with all these sandal wearing yogurt eating knitters.....does anyone on that panel actually live in the real world?
Complaining about the housing crisis in 2015 seems quaint by comparison. And people voted for the tories AGAIN.
The UK is open for suspicious migrants with doubtfull background, but if I, a law-obedient Russian, would like to come there simply as a tourist, they require me to fill the ten pages report about my grandparents, my work, my family, my wages, my additional money sourses. They demand full description of my real estate and my bank accounts. After all, they want to fingerprint me and make the retina scan. All that costs more than 300 pounds, and they want to get a deposit to make sure that I will come back home. And there is no any garantee that I would get visa, they can reject me without any explanations and all my money will be lost. Isn't it humiliative???
Charity starts at home.
It's easy to emotionally blackmail the audience, but why is no one talking about the fact that how are we going to address those migrants with the cut on the public spending because of the huge deficit we already have? Where will 20,000ppl settle? In London? North West? Is the gov plan to build more affordable houses? NHS service waiting list already stretched to its limit etc, it's all good to be helpful, but you can't sustain yourself at end!
16:02 is the most stupid response ive seen. If she'd listen to Suzanne, she was talking about NET migration, which takes into account people leaving. Secondly, she does not know for a FACT that migrants have nothing to do with the waiting list- that is what she thinks. They obviously do- more people in the country= more people using public services.
Wtf a Greek economist REALLY is this some kind of bad joke
Much smarter than you.
superb Yanis... really made me think as well
He shut up when asked "how many"...
You have Turkey, Egypt, Lebonan, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has over 2 million afghans refugees
plz help me I have this in homework :
"List the participants in this Cambridge BBC debate and summarize each one's opinion in one or two sentences."
Thanks
The Belgians returned to their own country, but the present immigrants won't. Why should people who have restrained their own reproduction be made to support and share their home with people who have ruined their own countries by excessive reproduction.
Chris Bryan you have to love when it was labour who started the war in iraq and afghanistan and destoryed these country, so Chris i would not pretend that labour is innocent when they did every to destoyed the middle east and opened the borders to mass immigration
How selfish is Suzanne Evans, 'Does Greece have the rule of law?'...Yanis pointed out quickly that Greece with an economy far smaller than the UK's (the UKIP argument after all is that we have the 5th biggest economy in the world) and yet it took in 1.5 million people since the end of the cold war out of a population of 10 million, 15% of its population, Yanis wiped the fall with them....
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That Greek bloke is bordering on insane. He talks about economics, as if that's all that matters and then Chris Bryant chips in with the tired, old mantra of the NHS being held together with migrants - as if that's a logical argument for uncontrolled, mass immigration.
God bless Suzanne Evans, the only sane person (ok, Dimbelby behaved himself, just about) in this stitch-up.
We wouldnt need so many migrants in the NHS if we didnt have so many immigrants
It's like sitting in my house and teaching me to invite and keep unknown strangers BY FORCE
WISE TALKER No it is not. If England imports billions of pounds that doesn't mean you get billions in your house. That's just a clueless analogy. Immigration actually benefits the economy in the long run, the US would be nothing without it.
8:55 "They want to come to a country like this country, because they'll be safe, because we have the rule of law, because everyone is treated equally under the law."
Are you saying those conditions don't exist in France, Germany, Belgium Italy, Greece, etc.?
"and frankly because, were one of the richest countries in the world."
There's the real answer.
This country bollocked
Greece is a mess. Yannis has a great CV.
Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache 75 years ago
6:50 my politics teacher
We carnt ruin our culture and values these people do not intergrate and respect our laws
How many boat people have arrived since this programme aired??? Can we continue filling the hotels with them at our expense? It's costing us tens of millions of pounds!
Well lets build houses for them & expel homeowners from there homes & get thousands more here to fill the land with outsiders all free of course
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WHY are they here ???
Because of WARS!! Insane
A true refugee MUST declare at FIRST SAFE COUNTRY they reach, not shop around for better welfare opportunities. If British citizens are waiting for a house, how is it justified to give a house to a NON CITIZEN ON TAX PAYERS DIME
Here's an update on my previous comment after the Paris attacks on Friday. "ET VOILA"
Nothing said about security to are island people have not papers to prove who they are and no criminal records at as like other countries that have taken in asylum seekers and then a carnage of assaultes and criminal crime's.
The truth is that most Brits in 2022 have left the conversation completely, any opinion of integration or anything that was a deviation from let everyone in was called racist, so what's the point?, at the end of all this, Britain is left with division and hate
The former finance Minister of an economically failed state lecturing the British?
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Lucinda Blood is that you!?
Now we are in 2020. Now 48,000 here so far . Bit more than 20,000. 400 coming each day boats 17 a day on Dover beaches. Bussed to 4*hotels straight away. Free food, medical, money. Still going on. All blah, blah, blah. Lady in audience is right. We're soft. UK is finished. They are not desperate.
There are allways a way out of the situation if we want. I think many people have a fear ( ksenophobie) to change something what they daily do and This makes them unsure. Migration was, is and will happen because it is the normal process. Year 435 the big Migration from Asia to Europe. And? Something bad happened? Be ready for all and dont let you live in fear. Better live with Migrants as with Nationalist.
They are debating crazy on 20.000 while turkey has 3 million syrian without talking about it ahahahahhahaha
The Syrian refugees should stay there to support the war effort against Islamic fundamentalists. Especially military aged males.
Yanis has no clue what he's talking about.