WOULD YOU? F-35 & F-15 FLYING THROUGH THE MACH LOOP

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • A good week was had on the Mach Loop with a veriaty of aircraft with USAF F-35A, F-15 Strike Eagle RAFA400M RAF Typhoon's
    Mixed formation F35s & F15 Strike Eagle
    six ship of F-15s
    pair of RAF Typhoon
    RAF A400m
    USAF MC130
    Pair of USFA F-35s

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  • @A3Kr0n
    @A3Kr0n 3 месяца назад +17

    I clicked on this to see the guys in the back of the plane. I was not disappointed.

  • @cxf030181
    @cxf030181 2 месяца назад +18

    I don't know what is more impressive, the footage or the craft... Wouldn't have one without the other.

  • @liamhemmings9039
    @liamhemmings9039 3 месяца назад +20

    Wonderful work as ever. Always a treat. Loved the painting of the Statue of Liberty with the US and UK flags on that F-15.

  • @JoeHakos
    @JoeHakos 3 месяца назад +79

    What a gorgeous day to run through the Loop. Nice view out of the back of the MC-130. Great video!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +15

      The heavens opened 10mins after the MC130 went through so perfectly timed 👌

  • @RM-th8ol
    @RM-th8ol 3 месяца назад +25

    Awesome. Beautiful land, badass jets and planes. Much love to my UK fam...

  • @slebbeog
    @slebbeog 20 дней назад +4

    That sound of F-35 is so good. No warning, no fuss, just business.

  • @douglas_brighty_tan127
    @douglas_brighty_tan127 3 месяца назад +18

    That is stunning and magnificent vapour condensation on the F-15E Strike Eagles and the F-35A is cool too. Awesome shot of the MC-130J Aircrew on the ramp too 😎😎👏👏

    • @ALIVE8455
      @ALIVE8455 2 месяца назад

      We get it, you know a lot about planes 💪

  • @gonepostal9101
    @gonepostal9101 3 месяца назад +34

    I appreciate that you put the aircraft type in the bottom corner for each.

  • @petermach8635
    @petermach8635 3 месяца назад +31

    The video is excellent, but the stills are superlative ........... bravo !!

  • @adenwellsmith6908
    @adenwellsmith6908 2 месяца назад +45

    Standing up at the back and taking a leak, that would be on another level!

    • @rickc5303
      @rickc5303 2 месяца назад +22

      It sounds cool, but you would be wearing it. There is allot of drag from that open gate, the air flow doesn't go the direction you would hope it was going.

    • @MagicAyrtonforever
      @MagicAyrtonforever Месяц назад +1

      @@rickc5303 LMAO!

    • @redwatch1100
      @redwatch1100 Месяц назад

      Right. Waist-level.

    • @deltasource56
      @deltasource56 26 дней назад

      in c130 they have piss tubes on the side of the aircraft where you can piss out off

    • @adenwellsmith6908
      @adenwellsmith6908 26 дней назад

      @@deltasource56 I have one on mine. I tend to go for a catheter condom, and a tube into that.

  • @K-F-A
    @K-F-A 3 месяца назад +8

    A treat, pleasure for the eyes of fans of aviation and Top ❤️ Gun.

  • @lascm5237
    @lascm5237 3 месяца назад +6

    Awesome footage - those Typhoons make an amazing sound 🫡🇬🇧🇺🇦🇸🇪🇺🇸

  • @265petsar
    @265petsar 3 месяца назад +19

    That did my heart good, brilliant, so proud to be British 🇬🇧

    • @tonybarron6452
      @tonybarron6452 2 месяца назад +2

      @4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypseeven the ones that said RAF on them?

    • @discombobulated9195
      @discombobulated9195 Месяц назад

      @4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse keep dreaming lil buddy

    • @composimmonite3918
      @composimmonite3918 Месяц назад

      ​@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse better lil buddy than lil dick!

  • @Sarah-JaneR32
    @Sarah-JaneR32 3 месяца назад +14

    Stunning photography, well done, and to answer the question, it’s yes, looks fun

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +3

      Thank Sarah 👌

  • @davidwilliams3856
    @davidwilliams3856 3 месяца назад +24

    Brilliant, many thanks. I miss Ramp Riding.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +3

      Cool you must have some awesome memories 👌

    • @robinhector
      @robinhector 3 месяца назад +1

      Me too David . Used to fly with feet dangling out of an ASR chopper from Thorney Island around the yacht masts .

  • @muhannad2910
    @muhannad2910 3 месяца назад +12

    Many thanks for all your efforts, God bless you

  • @marcioferraz5282
    @marcioferraz5282 2 месяца назад +4

    From the Ramp Riders: "Tranquilo! This height and the void sensation scares us less than a ride in a Six Flags attraction"😅😅

  • @StonyRC
    @StonyRC 3 месяца назад +6

    Sensational footage and breathtaking stills. Many thanks for sharing your experiences.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      Glad you enjoyed it ☺️

  • @dagored4077
    @dagored4077 3 месяца назад +7

    The best free airshow in the world!

  • @konceptsketcher
    @konceptsketcher 18 дней назад +1

    Forget sandy beaches, this is on my bucket list for the next holidays!

  • @leddyzee247
    @leddyzee247 3 месяца назад +7

    A great place to advertise on the air brake of an F15…..USAF looking for sponsors maybe? And the crew on the ramp just chilling ✌️. Awesome capture, well done and thanks for sharing

  • @TeaVR
    @TeaVR 3 месяца назад +7

    Lovely to see shots from a different viewpoint. Great work

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Thanks a lot! 👌

  • @artistnigelspencerandrew5147
    @artistnigelspencerandrew5147 3 месяца назад +5

    Elwyns Vidz are without equal......I lived in Dol for a decade and miss those days

  • @66lesjo
    @66lesjo 3 месяца назад +4

    They all sound great, but I love the typhoons howl.

  • @toddatglencovewoodworks
    @toddatglencovewoodworks 3 месяца назад +6

    77K+ views so far - you are able to put smiles on quite a few faces Elwyn! Thanks a bunch 😊

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      My pleasure 😊👌

  • @ErnieShown
    @ErnieShown 3 месяца назад +12

    Yet another fantastic video, capturing some of the world's sexiest flying beasts in their natural environment.....love the stills!!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Mary thanks 😊

  • @VimyScout
    @VimyScout 3 месяца назад +10

    Fantastic shots! Thanks for sharing 👍

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for watching 👀 🙂

  • @MikesTropicalTech
    @MikesTropicalTech 3 месяца назад +12

    1:35 - "Fear The Mullet"!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +3

      Yes cool 👌 after their deployment 👍

    • @counterfit5
      @counterfit5 3 месяца назад +3

      Must be a hockey fan

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Thanks

  • @dhpstudios2009
    @dhpstudios2009 23 дня назад +2

    Those people on the rearend enjoyed it very much😂

  • @babalonkie
    @babalonkie 3 месяца назад +22

    Finally they flexed for the camera 🤗
    And a A400M and Typhoons...
    A good day.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +3

      Yes pretty good week on the whole 👌 I did miss Moggy though 🤨

  • @stuartrollings602
    @stuartrollings602 3 месяца назад +3

    Howdy Big E! Amazing work again…so smooth and the stills are crazy good! Love the C130 porch swing! Thanks!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Many thanks 👌 it's a ride of a lifetime 🤢

  • @Garythefireman66
    @Garythefireman66 3 месяца назад +5

    Great video as always Elwyn. I'd ride that ramp as long as I had a couple of parachutes 😂

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      You and me both! 😊

  • @sleepisabella
    @sleepisabella 3 месяца назад +6

    I most certainly would ride/fly like that 😮😮😊😊😊

  • @beanhavok2287
    @beanhavok2287 3 месяца назад +27

    The ride on the back of the 130's ramp must have been fun!!!
    Or vomit inducing.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      I think it be doing the later 🤢

    • @tonylulof5502
      @tonylulof5502 7 дней назад

      You can also use a toilet on a herc. Can't do that in an F35 😄

  • @karlbrundage7472
    @karlbrundage7472 3 месяца назад +3

    Just last week we had the F-15Es out of Seymour-Johnson roll through the valley, this time accompanied by F-35As. First time for "Fat Amy" to visit.
    She's really loud....... And we love it..................

  • @pdxpete48
    @pdxpete48 3 месяца назад +5

    There are some fantastic stills in this thank you, I wish I could be there to really take it all in, maybe a virtual simulator or something will have to do.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Many thanks for your kind comments 👌

  • @GoinDownhill361
    @GoinDownhill361 Месяц назад +2

    Now I have my favourite fighter: the F15 with the "Fear the mullet" artwork😅

  • @8888shooter
    @8888shooter 3 месяца назад +3

    Hi Elwyn , absolutely awesome video as always, mate!👏👌...cracking footage and fantastic stills!👌 nice to see the typhoon fighters, Hercules, and always enjoy seeing the huge A400M fly through the loop!!....and that lovely bank over the lake!!.. Great job mate!👍✈️👏📸🎥😁 cheers Paul 🍻

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Many thanks Paul 👌 there's been a good variation last week or two 😀

  • @sharoncarter4086
    @sharoncarter4086 Месяц назад +1

    Loved seeing the guys sat so casually at the back. Great !

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  Месяц назад

      The best! 🤟

  • @stingray427man
    @stingray427man 3 месяца назад +9

    They got a lap strap but it don’t look overly tight 😂. Nice shots 🤙

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      I think the lapstrap were for the crew on the first lap, who looked much younger than these seasoned crew here

    • @stingray427man
      @stingray427man 3 месяца назад +2

      @@ElwynRInteresting markings on that plane too, very subtle

  • @mikefleek9259
    @mikefleek9259 3 месяца назад +3

    One thing about working in Military Aviation, you get to do cool stuff sometimes, often with NO witnesses. Love seeing the aircrews have some fun, stressful jobs.

    • @cwg73160
      @cwg73160 3 месяца назад +1

      You love seeing them have fun, stressful jobs?

  • @ashleywebster2659
    @ashleywebster2659 3 месяца назад +5

    Great vid and pics as always, Elwyn. That first still of the F-15 with the lake and road behind it at 1:19 is an absolute show stopper! But as spectacular as the fighters are going through the loop, I love the shots of the air crew literally 'hanging out' on the ramp of the transporters...

  • @ricks4361
    @ricks4361 3 месяца назад +1

    Wow!! Fantastic shots. Loved them all, especially the graceful movements of the F35, but something really sinister and other worldly in the sound of those Typhoons tearing the air. Thanks.

  • @fredharrowven1040
    @fredharrowven1040 3 месяца назад +2

    Hi Hlwyn, Once more a great video great picture many thanks looking forward to your next video.🛫⭐️⭐️👍👌 You take care of yourself and stay safe.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Many thanks! 👌

  • @RESPONDI433
    @RESPONDI433 3 месяца назад +8

    Is this up on the Brecons ?
    I used to vist my nan every summer at Anchor not far from the Brecon. One day a Harrier appeared and saluted me with his fingers, he was that close and hovering.
    He then put on a blank tracer show firing at one of the barns ahead.
    I was in love with the Harrier from then on
    The next day he saw me and did a full roll over the cottages 😂
    You have to be a little bit crazy to be one of those guys I guess.
    My uncle was a retired RAF engineer at the time, I'm sure he was putting someone up to it, deffo impressed a 7 year old me.
    I'm sure it was set up because my family knew I loved the Harrier.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      It's a little further north near Dolgellau, cool story 👌

    • @michaelfrost1709
      @michaelfrost1709 3 месяца назад

      No

  • @fertysurfer
    @fertysurfer 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you, Elwyn. My wife and I are determined to get to the loop this year. What a gorgeous experience.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      Pray for some decent weather 🙏 😊

  • @scottshanklin5533
    @scottshanklin5533 3 месяца назад +6

    American air superiority and air power is awe inspiring and ........ an undefeated if I'm correct . Hey Elwyn would love to have a calendar

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +4

      Many thanks 👌 one of my aims this year is to improve my photography 📸 and then hopefully a calendar 🤞

  • @AmoDk87_pHuN
    @AmoDk87_pHuN Месяц назад +1

    The sound of the RAF Typhoons... Ohh baby sick sounding plane!

  • @gordon8858
    @gordon8858 Месяц назад +3

    Some good camera work, and brilliant Stills. Well done.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  Месяц назад

      Many thanks 👌

  • @CasualInventor
    @CasualInventor Месяц назад +2

    The clarity of these still images is humbling. 3:35 You have great skill.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  Месяц назад

      Many thanks 👌

  • @MikaElf
    @MikaElf 3 месяца назад +3

    Those shots are unreal! So sharp. Amazing!!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Many thanks 👌

  • @JoeHakos
    @JoeHakos 3 месяца назад +8

    Absolutely! I'd be waving to you all the way through.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Yes 👌🤢

  • @JonDingle
    @JonDingle 3 месяца назад +5

    Spectacular stuff young man!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Much appreciated! 👌

  • @georgemorley1029
    @georgemorley1029 3 месяца назад +4

    When I see these aircraft in flight, it never ceases to amaze me that the F35 has a radar cross section which is so much incredibly smaller than the f15 and the typhoon. Stealth technology and materials are something else.

  • @josephhelyenek9203
    @josephhelyenek9203 13 дней назад +1

    Never grows old, bless the forces

  • @JeffinLowerAlabama
    @JeffinLowerAlabama 3 месяца назад +5

    Elwyn fantastic video and still shots, like the vapor trails. Jeff in LA USA

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Jeff 🤟 a bit of moisture in the air 👌

  • @rd4660
    @rd4660 3 месяца назад +2

    Not unlike Starwars Canyon in Death Valley, California, only greener. A stunning show of military aircraft.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Been there shame they dont fly it anymore

  • @maxsteele20
    @maxsteele20 3 месяца назад +15

    Last Monday I rode threw the Mach Loop on my Harley on the way to Holyhead.... Managed to capture a pair of Typhoons flying through. Was awesome.....

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +5

      Cool 👌 riding a Harley is the way to do it 😀

    • @tomf4547
      @tomf4547 3 месяца назад +1

      A group of Harleys came past our cottage last week, bet it was you 😅

  • @dmystify1381
    @dmystify1381 3 месяца назад +3

    Your missing out if you are not wearing headphones.This location is definitately on my bucket list.

  • @MPH1982
    @MPH1982 3 месяца назад +4

    Love the photos!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Glad you like them! 👍

  • @terrydpierce2191
    @terrydpierce2191 3 месяца назад +2

    Fantastic Stills !!!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks 👍

  • @seamac7564
    @seamac7564 2 месяца назад +1

    @4:17 What memories they will have, thanks for your service.

  • @Malakie
    @Malakie 2 месяца назад +1

    Oh hell yes.. and sit on the ramp for a ride too.. being I have actually done so for real... lol

  • @savarok
    @savarok 3 месяца назад +9

    The herc seems to lumber through compared to the Atlas.

    • @haroldellis9721
      @haroldellis9721 3 месяца назад +4

      Hey, no ageism. 🤨

    • @p.c.9714
      @p.c.9714 3 месяца назад +1

      And imagine the drag with 4 eggs 😁

  • @annatrip
    @annatrip 3 месяца назад +3

    4:28 Just a normal day at the office 😂😮

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      He'll yeh 🤟

  • @billynomates920
    @billynomates920 3 месяца назад +12

    awesome photography!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +2

      Thanks for watching 👌

  • @Rufusdos
    @Rufusdos 3 месяца назад +2

    Stills are absolutely spectacular!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Many thanks 👌

  • @stephanejulien116
    @stephanejulien116 Месяц назад +1

    Absolutely great !!!! Thanks for sharing !!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  Месяц назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @johna6968
    @johna6968 2 месяца назад +1

    Just four yank dudes hanging out together. About as cool as it gets really.

  • @johnheath-fi5po
    @johnheath-fi5po 3 месяца назад +1

    Fabulous shots. Thank you

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      Many thanks! 👌

  • @fortesfortunajuvat6782
    @fortesfortunajuvat6782 3 месяца назад +6

    If I could get my Cherokee to do 250 kts (horizontally) hell YEAH I'd do this.

  • @AndrewMcFarlane_1
    @AndrewMcFarlane_1 3 месяца назад +1

    Fantastic photographs taken!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      Many thanks! 👌

  • @bluebirdfan100
    @bluebirdfan100 3 месяца назад +1

    As a kid I use to live on the side of a valley and RAF Hercules from Lossiemouth use to regularly fly level with my house only a few hundred yards away and I remember me and my sister waving back at the guys at the back door many times, so cool when your a little! I even got a few waves from guys in Tornados which was such a thrill.

  • @rejects101
    @rejects101 3 месяца назад +1

    Fantastic shots, thanks for sharing. Where do you get your notifications from that they are flying? I get emails from the Gov site but they always say there's no flying. Cheers.

  • @jonmallard2176
    @jonmallard2176 2 месяца назад +1

    That A400 is such a beast!

  • @geoffarmitage6087
    @geoffarmitage6087 3 месяца назад +61

    I love the shot of the F-15 which shows the artwork on the air brake ! I've never seen that before - Cool !! thank you

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +7

      Yes me too! unfortunately I was in the wrong location as most has nose art after their deployment, and there's some really cool artwork on them

    • @kevinx9225
      @kevinx9225 3 месяца назад +3

      I think it may have been an Air National Guard jet. NY?

    • @mikeh.8912
      @mikeh.8912 2 месяца назад +2

      @@kevinx9225 One of the jets at RAF Lakenheath 48th fighter wing has the air brake painted with statue of liberty with US and UK flags.

    • @mariannereuterdahlhernblad3437
      @mariannereuterdahlhernblad3437 Месяц назад

      😅 that pilot must be tired after this tour!! I was in my chair!!! Thank you👏👏👏

  • @willsta21
    @willsta21 8 дней назад +1

    Haha you’ve got to send them that pic as a reminder of how awesome Britain is!

  • @puirYorick
    @puirYorick 3 месяца назад +4

    Of the four on the ramp, I think the chap on the left has his laptop open or do my eyes deceive. Maybe catching up on his email inbox?

  • @Scottyboy-xl9ku
    @Scottyboy-xl9ku 2 месяца назад +1

    I do not no. Am I weird. Every time I see the F15 turning and burning I get goosebumps.

  • @tonydoherty5614
    @tonydoherty5614 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for youre time and vids.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  Месяц назад +1

      Glad you like them! 👍

  • @ste3627
    @ste3627 3 месяца назад +3

    Fantastic video again

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Cheers mate 👌

  • @scopex2749
    @scopex2749 2 месяца назад

    When we used to go on detatchment up to RAF Valley mountain flying we would fly up towards Betws y coed and Capel Curig BELOW the cars on the A5! Hilarious watcing the stunned faces as we went by. Did this many times a couple of time 'ramp riding' in a Hercules and a Chinook sitting on the ramp with feet dangling and safety harnesses on taking video. Great arenalin rush SUPERB PHOTOS. I must come up one day now im retired to see it from the ground!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  2 месяца назад

      Cool 👌 you must, but bring a thick book 😉

  • @DadsAmazingAdventures
    @DadsAmazingAdventures 2 месяца назад

    Great video and images. The sight of the crew on the C-130 enjoying the ride was fantastic. Thanks.

  • @jporter504
    @jporter504 3 месяца назад +4

    Nice!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks!

  • @alexisbelcher3967
    @alexisbelcher3967 3 месяца назад

    Hey guy, your still shots blew me away! Wow! Great feelings abound! Magnum Opus! 👍📸

  • @CharlieGroh
    @CharlieGroh 3 месяца назад

    In a heartbeat. And lower...haha...I flew scout helos in the trees. Just more speed baby! (and much respect for these jet jocks!).

  • @terran5569
    @terran5569 3 месяца назад +1

    I have serious acrophobia, unless I am secure. Those guys are securely tethered, I would do that in a heartbeat!

  • @mjpt57
    @mjpt57 2 месяца назад

    This is so awesome. It's on my Bucket List to go there.

  • @gregsmith7828
    @gregsmith7828 2 месяца назад +1

    the f-15 has always been my favorite. especially the newer ones

    • @NCmtnDweller
      @NCmtnDweller 2 месяца назад

      American (Legend) rocket with wings

  • @KEITHGEE1000
    @KEITHGEE1000 3 месяца назад +2

    Terrific as always, many thanks!!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks again!

  • @gillesbueno1153
    @gillesbueno1153 2 месяца назад +1

    Good pictures, good subjects for airplane modelers 👍🏻🥳

  • @melcragg7814
    @melcragg7814 3 месяца назад +1

    Wonderful. Thamks for posting. I hope to get there one day.

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      Thanks for watching!

  • @MultiScampi
    @MultiScampi 2 месяца назад

    Amazing photography of amazing machines 👌👌

  • @fredtedstedman
    @fredtedstedman 3 месяца назад +1

    A-400 is almost aerobatic ! I would love to fly low down through Mach loop , it must be such a buzz for a pilot ?

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  3 месяца назад

      Me too 🤢

  • @sanseijedi
    @sanseijedi 2 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for no commentary!

    • @ElwynR
      @ElwynR  2 месяца назад

      👌

  • @anthonymorris1360
    @anthonymorris1360 3 месяца назад

    Thanks so much. That's a lovely mixed bag & the 'wave back' stills warmed my heart nicely. The F-35 monster single engine vs the F-15s twins stood out to me. I wish I had enough knowledge to know why you would choose either in a design - another YT rabbit hole idea :) All the best to you Elwyn!

  • @LordDustinDeWynd
    @LordDustinDeWynd 3 месяца назад +2

    Pretty airplanes!

  • @Just_lift_anyone
    @Just_lift_anyone 2 месяца назад

    1:19 that is absolutely incredible ❤

  • @johnedwards1685
    @johnedwards1685 Месяц назад

    Those cats on the ramp. Just catching some rays.

  • @briandavidson2684
    @briandavidson2684 2 месяца назад

    Some of these stills as fantastic.