DUNE PROPHECY Breakdown - New Series, EXPLAINED
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Dune: Prophect is a prequel series set thousands of years before the events of the movies, detailing the founding of the Bene Jesserit. We break down the series, and what it means for the franchise.
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We are all from space. As Carl Sagan said, "we are made of star stuff"
In the novels, the Butlerian Jihad was a crusade against charismatic human leaders who used robots and technology against humans.
Initially, yes, but Omnias and Erasmus took over, and they're both thinking machines
Yeah, the Time of Titans is what you're thinking of there, that was when the cymeks, human brains in machine bodies, controlled the universe. The butlerian jihad was just the culmination of the human/AI war.
Which lasted about a thousand years, including the century that was the Time of Titans. They're a solid set of novels
@@johnnyscifiisn’t that from Brian Herbert’s sequel I thought they were widely regarded as but sequels which contradict what frank Herbert was originally going for
@@HUNCHO_STEPPER They're "paperback" novels. The writing and the themes are juvenile compared to Frank's work. I read a few of them and they remind me of those "Star Trek" books that you can read in an afternoon.
Stress should be on the second syllable of "Butlerian" -- not third. Also, _JIHAD_
he's scared of that word
Pretty sure you can't just fling that word around on this platform.
i just wanna see if a studio or HBO green light god emperor of dune.
😂 short do you think the movie would be if Paul would’ve just started telling everybody to kill themselves is enemies would have been dead so quick. The emperor would’ve been dead so quick everybody would’ve been dead literally would not have had to fight much. He’s got the power of the boys, but he doesn’t ever use it at all leaving you to wonder why they even put it in the movie
Yes😍😍 I would love to see this, the story is so special,loved the book
What a time to be alive
No
I love the Dune universe! It's true that the ideas in Dune are amazing. 100% behind adapting both the sequels and prequels as TV series. They would be fantastic. More sensational sci-fi TV!
What do I want? Scrap the actual narratives and just give me the many lives of Duncan Idaho.
Omg..Brian story taking from his father note is horrendous..WTF Idaho Duncan mixed with the AI to make him the true Messiah ..Worst story
@@robertnguyen2025 That's what happened?! Wow so glad I stopped reading his trash.
Love the channel, Butlerian Jihad, not crusade. Sorry, Dune means a lot.
Bless the maker and His water
Bless His coming and going.
Butt la reians? LOL Her name was Butler... Its Butlerian... Ive never heard someone say it so funny before...
He put the stress on the 3rd syllable, instead of the second.
but-ler-RI-an ❌
but-LER-i-an ✅
Why are you retconning the name of the Butlerian Jihad as "crusade"? Please explain.
This bugged me too. I assume they will get demonetized if they say Jihad lol
@@jjfaceplant Discredits the writer's credibility as far as I'm concerned. A writer who is willing to change information to please others is willing to lie. Blame the analyst in me.
This is the story that need to be told the prophecy of dune!
Extremely hyped for this !!!
Man, that Butler, Ian, got up to some shit
HBO is the only reason I have any confidence that this show has a chance of being good. 🤞Let's hope!
I'd interesting to see some of the formative times of the spacing guild, and the landsraad etc.
that can't possibly be the way Butlerian is pronounced?
As a massive dune encyclopedia enthusiast and a fan of Frank’s original 6 novels, I must back this video for speaking out against the version made by Brian because Brian got it absolutely wrong.
In Brian’s version it is an entire sentient machine rebellion, in the original the quote stands: “once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free… but that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” The Butlerian Jihad was launched out of fear of humanity as much as machines, and you know what “thinking machines” really were? GPS, Smartphones, gaming consoles, Calculators, Ship navigation systems, basic home computers, anything networked with multiple systems, robot servants in the shape of humans but more a kin to a roomba or Alexa in function. There was no machine uprising as described by Brian, it was out of fear that through thinking machines, powerful men would enslave man through thinking machines as the quote explains. Thousands of human lives were lost entirely to human hands as the jihad was not a universally accepted idea, plenty of people were fine where they were and didn’t see a need for radical change. There were battles in the jihad between humans and only humans over this issue. They’re mentioned in the encyclopedia, like the blockade of Illerda where the planetary government had to surrender their world to the Jihad after they had been starved out by the radical forces. Or how about the elephant in the room, Jehanne Butler, was killed at the battle of Carthagos by a human mine that destroyed her ship while the jihad fleet was attempting to siege the moon of Carthagos. After she died, the jihad fleet exterminated the planet out of bloodlust in its entirety. Like all you have to do is read the encyclopedia to realize that the Jihad was war of ideology rather than survival. All thinking machines were destroyed out of fear of societal enslavement similar to 1984.
I could go on but I’m hoping you see the point, it was a war between humans about machines and their place in society, not a war between humans and machines about the survival of one.
Brian’s version unfortunately throws all of this away and takes all the wind out of the sails for it. The war means so much more for human nature when you realize they did it to themselves. In a machine rebellion instance, humanity has this almost ‘free pass’ because it’s against extinction from a force not of its own, so that weirdly justifies it. And it makes me very angry because all of Dune is about human nature and changing times and evolution of ideology through the ages. The Jihad is no different in the original. But humanity doesn’t learn or have much of a role to play at all in Brian’s world where the machines rebelled, that is now fight for survival where humanity was willingly enslaving sentient minds and committing horrible acts because yes, it really is kind of worthless to me by comparison because of how lack luster it is.
Now to finish out, I read the oringials and the encyclopedia first and after a million dates and events were changed and delivered in a fashion that either missed the mark or became something it wasn’t, I wiped my hands of the Brian Herbert books. For me the encyclopedia is the prequels. However I don’t want to tell you what you can and cannot read. Your opinion is your own, I’m not going to shame you for likes and interests and I in fact encourage you to have them and read what you would like to read. however my opinion is that they’re a separate alternate dune universe.
I have said my piece and i hope the new show does not do the “machine rebellion bit” again that is at this point exhausted in media.
In the prequel books the Valya and Tula don’t create the Bene Gesserit, Valya creates the fighting style they use and has Tula assassinate one of Vorian Atreides descendants as part of the long running feud between the families. They blame Vorian for their diminished standing on Lankevale as it was he who had Abulurd Harkonnen banished their for cowardice and betrayal at the battle of Corrin. The Harkonnens are related to the Corrinos (formerly Butlers) by Xavier Harkonnen, but took the Butler name after Xavier killed the Grand Patriarch who was secretly a traitor but publically nobody knew this and believed it to be murder
In the prequel books this era is meant to be citing it is actually Raquella Berto-Anirul, granddaughter of Vorian Atreides via an illegitimate daughter. She was the first reverend mother and a former sorceress of rossack
Brian and Kevin’s efforts are not in anyway close to Franks works, but they’re not awful sci-fi books. Frank talks about some weird ish and has far too much monolouging and exposition at times but I enjoy them for what they are. The prequels are good, limited stories that have some good ideas on them. I’m not going to argue with anyone that doesn’t agree because it’s subjective and we get to enjoy what we enjoy
I hope the dialogue will be better than what Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson came up with in the books... oof. Interesting ideas but the tropes were so hard I struggled to finish a lot of the books and finally gave up on reading them. I almost dropped it when the line "We are now Free Men" as a bunch of escaped slaves stood on the surface of Arrakis. Ugh.. so on the nose it almost broke mine. And the racial stereotypes were BRUTAL.
😂kinda dumb when you realize Paul could’ve stopped from starting a war if he just used “the voice” he could’ve made them agree 😂😂😂 how am i supposed to like a movie that’s so carelessly throws away one of the plot points why introduced the voice it’s so utterly pointless. It’s in the movie just so two people can yell silence at each other and that’s supposed to be fulfilling bro it could be used for so much more and you’re making this two and a half hour movie just so Homie does not use it at all other than telling an old lady to shut up.
@@raycharles704bad take pal
The racial stereotypes?
@@raycharles704 Every word you wrote was wrong.
@@raycharles704Your english is horrible 😂
I embrace it all give me spice! 😂
That's awesome and I can't believe I hadn't heard about this before l. I would love to see a season on the history of the Sardaukar.
Now the Volume is getting the Greenscreen treatment on how it's considered? It's great and should be used when it makes sense.
Connections to any season of Westworld other than season 1 is not a good thing.
Wait what?! 💥🔥👏🏽
The Harkonnen sisters didn't create the Bene Gesserit, the Sisterhood is founded by Raquella Berto Anirul the first woman to become a reverend mother and an Atredies ancestor.
Valya Harkonnen unites two factions of the Bene Gesserit after a split in the original sisterhood.
Great overview
I am worried about the oversaturation of dune properties. I dont want this to devolve into the state of star wars. Please god no.
Yes because a trilogy of movies and a TV show is oversaturation...
@@tylerwilliams3368 didn't say that it was. I'm saying I don't want it to happen. That was pointlessly combative. Are you okay?
@@seanporcelli3965 Maybe I did start off on the wrong foot. So let me start again. Why are you worried that the series is going to be oversaturated? Three movies and a show does not seem reasonable to be worried about.
And yes I am okay. I just get frustrated when people complain about oversaturation in media today. Why anyone would complain about having the option of a new property to consume is beyond me. If it comes out and its bad, oh well! We have the option as consumers to you know, NOT consume.
@@tylerwilliams3368 I'm worried because dune is profitable and I don't want it to be rung out like marvel or star wars. It's hard to trust Hollywood not to run something into the ground. Dune is my favorite book series and I don't want to be tired of it like I am of star wars.
@@tylerwilliams3368 yes it is
I'm looking forward to them completely destroying all of Brian and Kevin's pathetic attempts at world-building.
The book says, “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
So the Butlerian Jihad was humans fighting humans who were using thinking machines to enslave others before Brian Herbert changed it.
Also, the Bene Gesserit were not the only ones trying to create a Kwisatz Haderach. The Tleilaxu made their own Kwisatz Haderach.
Reading it like this sounds like there could be some great parallels to be made with the recent rise of AI
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I'm really curious to see how CHOAM came about. It is one bit not detailed about yet, in the films.
Depends on the Director mind..He chose not to included so much of the Chaomon part..it would had slow down the movie action scene..they based the movie as well on vierwr
CHOAM just exists in Frank's Universe. It's Brian that strong-hands its creation into his novels. It's another element painfully on the nose. Brian does not have the patience that Frank did. Brian insults the intelligence. Frank engages with it.
I'm sorry but except for the visuals of the movie these Dune movies fall extremely short behind the 2000s movies. They fast track it and cut so many important parts, like his dead son, his kickass sister, his moment of enlightenment was not even close to the one from the 2000 movies and Zendaya really dropped the ball with Chani, felt like a rebellious teenager who needs constant attention and care way more about herself than the greater good of her oppressed people. No real backstory to the blue water in relation to Shai Holud. If you had no knowledge about the past movies\book you will really like it. But as one who does, it was a Hugh letdown
Couldn't agree more.
Agree with you even more..but remember Dune movie and the many stories of this series is very complicated..making a movie of politics and so many houses would have slowed the. Movie down and possible failure in the sense of making a profit ..WB wanted to make money off their investment and so more likely forced Denise to make it more action based and less on the inner structure of Dune univers e..but heh accept for what it is and accept the story on the screen. ..just add the extra set into reading the book
@@robertnguyen2025 The 2000 movies achieved those elements with 3 1.5 hours movies, sure it was a bit slower, but the new ones are 2.5-3 hours long movies which makes a lot of money for WB. They could milk the cow for another movie and tell a much wider and whole story. Instead they took more overall screen time and did much less.
Plus, the stories of his son, sister and Shai Holud relation to the blue waters are pivotal to the lore and if done right, they could make it jam-packed with action, drama and add so much more stakes, character development and depth. Eventually it looked epic but the final result was flat and really underwhelming. I truly believe his sister could become a Huge fan favorite. Not to be whiny but we, cinema fans deserve much more than kickass CGI. Scorcesa cinematic theme parks remark was spot on.
Dude….i was so stunned after watching part 2…I almost cried. My sons who have listened to me preach to them about dune for 20 years loved it. Couldn’t understand why I was so crushed. I showed them Lynch’s ending and the Sci-fi channel versions…they are like Ohhhhh.
Still can’t believe the changes they made
@@mojorisin2860 I know such a huge missed opportunity! They focused almost solely on the visuals and disregarded one of the best stories ever told. A striking example of everything wrong in modern cinema.
We are all from space. As Carl Sagan said, "we are made of star stuff"
I must have taken a good dose of the Spice - that this series is being made! (Oh, based on one of the extend-Uvi' novels! I only have read the original six novels, in my youth - Will give this a watch)
But-Lar-Ian Emphasis on the second syllable, not the last
I have soooo many questions about the dune universe
Would be here for any and ALL background / more info from dune
Not here..Read the book and your mind will open up
If you get the first novel, there's an appendix/compendium in the back that explains literally everything he just said here but much better.
0% chance this comes out in 2024, been in production hell for years
I really want the show to show how the Mentats and the Spaceing Guild start not just the Sisterhood.
All of that started around the same time, so they would kinda have to show those as well.
Concerning that they’re basing this series off the work of the son and Anderson. Those books are so different that Frank’s books it’s better to think of them as an alternate universe.
Lmao..agree with you there ..Frank son created his father note and made it his own . The story he creates seem exactly like what he watched as a kid from other movies and added to make his own mindset satisfaction..Wtf ..the ending for Brian Dune universe making Idaho Duncan cell the true Dune universe Messiah adding his cell to the AI ..WtF! Like he watch Star wars hero and added to his Father Dune ..
Don’t know if the show will be any good, but your new haircut? Fire!
I’m worried about them adapting the story from anything Brian wrote
I do hope some writer scap some of Brian Story..one of the worst ideas from Frank son..
Sounds fantastic
BUTT-LARE-EE-IN
Westworld Season 4 was Ass 💀 why bring someone who worked on that 😂
6:26 lol ok
Just as long as HBO/MAX doesn't put a chicken in it and make it GEH!!!
damn. i love the Monty Python messiah reference
Bro got new music
We hope the Dune Part 3 would be as successful as the 1st 2.
Why did everyone stopped using the word 'Jihad'?
Because of this generation ..vocal crying of certain words that would inflame other religious ideas..
I can think of a reason or two
Can't wait for the Fallout breakdown. Thanks in advance.
Imagine a Dune version of the Clone Wars series covering the holy war. For adults or at least pg-13 rated
Awesome idea. I'd watch that.
@@ScreenCrush yep. They can take my money. Animated or live action, that’d be a killer show idea.
Hearing “butlerian” pronounced like that actually hurt my ears
Brian Herbert. Oh. Oh, no.
So it's a show based on fanfiction. Gotcha.
Its based on a Brian Herbert novel. I'm staying WAAAAAAAY away.
Did you read the book? It’s excellent. 🤷♂️
@@KaiSosceles no just someone who wanted to throw some poop on the walls cuz hating on things helps you cope from the lack of loving parents.
@@KaiSosceles Just House Atreides which was meh then I sat back and saw what he was doing to Dune. I'll stick with the Herbert stuff, thanks.
Maybe they want the type of people that would sit to boring long process, so the application process is a kind of filter in of itself. 🤷🏾♂️
With all the love I can express...it's Jihad, not Crusade. That's what Frank Herbert wrote it as, and the word Jihad wasn't included as a slight or belittling of Middle-Eastern religion, cultures or anything. Like you said in the video, it's about what people generally do with power, not making a real life commentary about one group...
...and if you don't think so, may thy knife chip and shatter!
I assume the video will be demonetized
Tempted, but if it's based on a BH/KJA book, that's a huge red flag. Their stuff is poorly written fanfiction.
They're terrible. But perhaps the new show will use good writers.
@@ed-te1fp fingers crossed. The concept has potential.
Herbert was the best writer in Sci fi history. Everything else is a step back in writing to me. Even Asimov.
“😂Crusade”
Ummm yes. I’m excited!
This is a friendly jab, but it never fails to amaze me how Ryan can mispronounce nearly every word that isn't included in the common English vernacular...including the name of his own writer.
why would they do that with the O's in sisterhood lmao
Will you be doing Fallout videos?!
how am i just finding out about this
Finally CHOAM on telly
I still kind of wish they made the show about the book that explores the 12 years between Dune and Dune Messiah. the 12 year gap that is the holy war
The Butlerian Jihas is before that. I don't think they will go deep in that territory.
The extended universe books by Brian Herbert (Frank's son) & Kevin J Anderson are fine, but don't expect the heavy religious, philosophical & political themes of Frank's books. They're much pulpier, more like quick read summer beach books (this happened, then this happened, then this happened, ...). And, whoever edited them did a horrible job, not only do they contradict Frank's books, but they contradict their own books (sometimes within the same scene in a book!). But all that said, they can be a fun read: for me it was fun to just be back in the Dune Universe.
Are y’all going to cover the new fallout series?
Honestly nervous for this Denis has set such a high bar with these films and current studios just love to milk things dry
Please
Please
Please do an Easter eggs and review on the new Fallout show!!!!!!!!!!
Whut WHUT WHUUUUUT. I am too intrigued 😊
What show is at 9:58 ? it is not referenced
Thank you, I wanted to know as well.
That's from the movie 'The Creator' starring John David Washington.
Herbert’s son already misaligned his father’s novels. Now, you add a film studio and it’s a recipe for further inconsistency.
Brian Herbert is such a hack. 😥
Bless the Maker and his water.
The verifiable stats showed that the majority of people liked the end of Game of Thrones just fine. Plenty didn't, and they were very loud about it, but more were fine with it. As much as it wasn't as good as the first 6 srasons.
The Marvels expected us to watch the shows before the movie.
Glad HBO is taking the opposite approach of getting the fans interested with movies first.
I just want to know if the Great Oxygen Shortage is ever gonna be solved. You know. Where every actor is always out of breath? In every scene? Of every modern movie?
Herbert didn't put much into his description of the thinking machines in the majority of the series.
Every show has so much potential, that’s the sad part of modern media. It all sucks tho in the end.
Not that it matters but Butlerian should be pronounced "But-LAIR-ian
I want to point out that the t-shirt shows them pouring the water of life into the sand. This would kill the worms.
Killing the worm is what gives you The Breakfast Cereal of Life!
So are we just not using the word "jihad" anymore?
They can’t use it . Because of isis evil entity. They use jehad which means war etc . A lot . Also the whole idea of dune was inspired by Islam . The Mahdi . Paul is inspired by him but Paul is an anti. But the real Mahdi is not . He is a hero. Look up the story of mahdi in Islam .
It is curious that our culture is comfortable using the word crusade but not the word jihad, when historically, atrocities have been committed under both names.
You really misrepresenting the prequel novels, but that’s OK because those novels actually really suck
Why do you keep calling it the "Butlerian Crusade?" In the books, it is ALWAYS called the "Butlerian Jihad" because that's what it was - a religious struggle.
Cool, sounds amazing!
Can you please breakdown the new Fallout show?
Do not support this show, it’s not based on any of Frank Herbert’s work, it’s based on his son, Brian Herbert’s disgusting cash grab bastardization of Frank’s work, the Sisterhood of Dune. Frank wrote 6 books and that’s it, Brian then took the series after his fathers death and milked th series for money by releasing 23 side books and even made a horrible oversimplified 7th and 8th book in the main series that he claims he found from his fathers notes 20 years after his death, even though the books directly retcon the ending of the 6th book (Daniel and Marty were hyper evolved face dancers, but Brian wanted to do cool AI Scify shit so he made them Omniius and Erasmus, WHEN LETO II DIRECTLY MADE SURE THAT A PRESCIENT AI WAS NO LONGER POSSIBLE AND COULD NOT FIND HUMANS). He has watered down and diluted dune to a Star Wars style fun Scify member berry fest, randomly and mindlessly bringing back dead characters of their popularity while straight up retconning most of Frank’s work. None of Brian’s books sold nearly as well as the originals, and that’s why he’s using this TV show to trick fans into thinking his work has legitimacy. Please we warned, I’m only informing the general public to prevent this guy from getting legitimacy for ruining Franks work.
Lol, chill. There's enough division in the world already without getting hostile over some fictional books.
@@jordanstatler4661 bro u have no idea
@dhruv9744 If you say so, you might be surprised. I just know there are better things to do with life than freak out over a book so I'm going to do them and leave you be.
@@jordanstatler4661 it’s not my life’s mission, it’s just a strong opinion I hold based on my respect for the original author, and the respect for art. The bastardization of a man’s life’s work by his descendants for a cash grab is a sadly very common thing to see, not every author can be gifted with a son like Christopher Tolkien. And I’m not alone in holding this opinion. Most Dune fans familiar with this situation would say the same thing I am saying right now.
@dhruv9744 Fun fact, I'm a huge Dune fan, own and read all the books several times. But, I never would have gotten in the the "original six" without stumbling across the machine trilogy on their own as a middle/high school student and loving them. I'm not disagreeing with everything you are saying but to act like people who like those books are bad people or not true Dune fans is stupid and divisive. I know the problems with them but they will always be special to me because they caught my attention as a kid when I knew nothing about Dune and introduced me to my favorite universe of all time.
is house of the dragon really that good?
Oh no, of all the books not Sisterhood. They took the one that contradicts the fundamentals of the Bene Gesserit, and makes them more like space wizards. They're meant to be about what you can achieve with gruelling mental and physical training over millennia; not the Jedi. I don't mind some of the extended Dune universe...but the changing of the Butlarian Jihad, and the Sisterhood were some of the "Now you're just betraying the original works."
i just wanna see son worm god
TV is definitely the only way to do _God Emperor_ -- which is genuinely impossible to adapt as a 3-hour movie. Structure is too nebulous, ideas are too wierd.
Fuck yes
😮
How the hell do you have two separate ads in the first 4 minutes...
I sure can't wait to read about WB cancels it at the last minute to not pay more taxes /sarcasm... well sorta
Can you do fallout
Why do you call it a crusade when they call it a Jihad in the book?
Probably because of RUclips AI algorithms flagging words like "jihad" as a problem, potentially getting the video automatically taken down for no good reason. Looks like we actually may need a Butlerian Jihad already...
Movie writer fired for creative differences. Show focuses on two women. Name was originally Dune Sisterhood. I have a bad feeling thryre going to Disney this show 😂