Touching the note was part of the death trigger, so light engineered the situation so this person would only be able to touch the note if light had successfully gotten the ID from the agent - basically a condition he can freely release.
I don't know if they state in the show or not, but you can't make one person kill another with the deathnote. So no, it wasn't for the lulls. It's also so that he'd have a place to "empty his gun into" where no one gets hurt. While he is cocky he's not ok with unpredictability. Im not saying this to defend him. i don't think he cared about the passengers, but he definitely didn't want anything to happen out of his control like a stray bullet. Edit: just saw the ep 5 edit ok. With almost everyone in this show, let them cook
I think the point of that "rule" is that you can't kill someone with the death note without writing their name in. In the 1st episode and in this we see people dying in accidents, so we could say that the drivers killed them, but here the one getting killed was the one whose name was written. Maybe it could work if he knew the names of both people so he can write one dies killed by the other.
I think the reason why Light didn't just make the criminal kill Raye Penber was because of a death note rule that states a death written cannot affect the death of anyone else. It also maybe because Light made it so complicated to feed his ego.
[spoilers for the next episode] He did it that way because if the criminal killed Raye, then Light would have no way of finding out who the other FBI agents were.
@@Pinko-Diamond Against the rules doesn't mean it won't happen, though. Remember what happened to the Shinigami who broke the rules? Its not as if the book refused his writings. It obeyed and then punished him accordingly
First time I watched this epsiode, there's that frame of Light's date absolutely traumatized staring at the dead man bleeding out on the ground, and I just imagined Light being like "so, about that date to fun land... uhh, is that still on? Or, uhh, or not?"
Couple of things: Light learned from his experiments that he can't make his victims act on things they don't know about. The criminal didn't know Light nor Ray Pember, so it would be useless to say "kill the man whom I'm going to talk to". And also, about the ripped piece of paper, I belive it was another experimentation.
Reminder from episode 1. Both Ryuk and Light admit openly to each other that the only reason they are doing what they are doing is because they are "bored". I take everything Light does that's way out of pocket as being intended (at least at some level beyond him just staying alive and continuing his thing) to alleviate their shared boredom. Sure, he could possible have had the guy shoot the guy who sits behind Light, as that's obviously his stalker. But he wanted to entertain Ryuk a bit. And at the meta level, Light's the author and we're Ryuk.
About his morality for his murders, he already stated in episode 1 that criminals will die with an hearth attack, while people who are not "useful to society" or waste their talents will die due to illnesses and accidents. Meaning his end goal involves killing people that are unemployed or homeless or just lazy.
...so that's why I'm suffering from chronic pain and always finding new health issues. It's not bad luck at all, IT WAS LIGHT!!! Light, please, show some mercy. I have a diploma now, I'm trying to get a job, stop making it extra hard for me...
The reason your "shoot the FBI agent" - Idea wouldn't work is the fact that the death note has a no colateral damage rule, I think it was mentioned in passing in the first episode. Basically, no matter what light writes, nobody other than the named person can die from it. Traffic accident? 1 dead. Explosion? 1 dead. Building collapse? 1 dead. Never more than the ones he names.
Yeah, it's why blowing up some huge place with the Death Note is impractical. You would have to write over and over how everyone inside dies due to it, so you would to set the day to be something in-between several weeks to a the limit of days and then painstakingly write how the thing collapses and everyone perishes in it or near it. Which or course, is even more impractical because you would need to know the name of each possible victims, so either a Shinigami straight up tells you everyone's names or you have to make the deal, or get someone to make the deal and then have them observe everyone who comes in and out and write down their names, and even then, if said person is far away from the building when it collapses, then they would die of a heart attack, and it could happen to a lot of people who don't go near the area frequently or at all. It's really, really easy to plan something large with the Death Note and it outright not working and causing a mass cascade of heart attacks that would lead the police straight to the same sort of chase of Episode 2.
@@justincrowley8787 Spoiler for episode 5: what he does in the next episode is more of a work around, the way he wrote the death of the one command had nothing to do with the other deaths. He just made the guy sit on the train for the entire rout before getting off and having a heart attack, the writing of the names was a separate action using threats and blackmail, not any kind of Death note mind control
23:45 To explain the WHY Light knew from the beginning that he was stalked. He wanted 3 things 1- info on who was stalking him, giving him a clue as to L's methods 2A- the name of his stalker, so he could die before reporting to L 2B- if 2A was somehow impossible, he planned to use that event as a way to make himself look innocent, by "cooperating" with L's lackey, bringing him closer to identifying L himself 3- it was the ultimate test for the inner workings of the death note. Every word he wrote was chosen carefully to be very specific, yet vague enough that it could be manipulated into reality. All light had to do was to board the 11:15 train towards spaceland, and since he was being stalked, he needed an excuse to travel towards spaceland to look inconspicuous to his stalker
So yeah all that plan was just to get the agent's name and use it for later, of course he can NOT kill him yet while he is being investigated because it would be very obvious that he is Kira.
This is a great episode. I think this is the episode where we really see how far Light is willing to go and how he is able to use people. It also does a great job of establishing the dynamic for most of the show where Light usually takes a very high risk high reward approach to his strategy and every plan has to be very complex to keep that plausible deniability going.
I really love how this series really delves into the different levels of intelligence. What makes Light so dangerous is that he's a smart kid without the wisdom to temper it. He can have terrible ideas and be convinced that they're good ideas for the simple fact that he's able to execute them so perfectly In contrast L leaves ego aside and opts to never work in absolutes. Always finding ways to confirm his theories before trying anything outlandish unless his hand is forced. It really makes me wonder what Death Note would have been if the roles were reversed and L was the one judging evil
Rewatching this makes me understand that Light is a master tactician in closed set pieces if achieving short-term goals, but he is awful at the longer, bigger picture strategy of eliminating all chances of getting caught. The guy's need to grandstand meant he was going to fail from the start if someone he couldn't kill was able to observe him.
22:15, remember, its written that he cant make someone do something they wouldn't reasonably do. he also has to make sure the guy dies quickly, and in a way that wont be connected to kira.
He set up the elaborate situation to trick the FBI agent to show his badge, giving Kira his name as well as making Raye Penber less suspicious of Light
3:22 The reason some rules arent in the death note is because some rules can be made in real time(by the shinigami king) and most importantly the rules for this note book was written by ryuk and he just forgot most of them He wrote in english because its the most spoken language on earth even tho he dropped it in japan.
*No spoilers:* It is a rule of the Death Note that the Note cannot cause the death or direct harm of anyone other than the name written in it. If you write a cause or details of death that result in others being directly harmed, it will not happen and the victim dies of heart attack instead. However, just the fact that people die can still influence the lifespans of other people; for example, a surgeon who was killed before he performed a life saving surgery would likely result in the lifespan of the patient being shortened. Hence, it is conceivable that you could use the Death Note to cause the deaths of multiple people just by writing one name, but the cause of the death of everyone else will be outside of the Death Note's control. For example, if you kill the pilot of a plane, there is a chance that this action causes the plane to crash, so other people might die as a result (this would be the life spans of those people shortening) - but there is also a chance that someone else takes control of the plane and successfully crash lands it with no loss of life, and the only way to prevent this chance would be to write the names of every single other person on the plane and control them to prevent this from happening. The only way to use the Death Note to make one person directly harm another is to write the names of both people and have the circumstances of their deaths align.
@@storieswithstyle Logically, there should be a minor level of harm that is acceptable, and the kind of harm the Death Note prevents is of a more serious kind. E.g., in a car accident, the person in the car is always safer than the pedestrian, the person wearing seatbelt is always safer than the person not doing so, the larger vehicle is safer in collisions with a smaller one, etc. Possibly the way the Death Note manipulates fate would involve these kinds of asymmetric risk scenarios to never put others beyond a minor risk level, and if this cannot happen, the victim will die of heart attack instead. This is just my own interpretation, though, there are no rules that specifically address this question that I can recall. You can look up the complete rules yourself once you finish the series, there are dozens of them and many are not even relevant to the story - just the author being thoughtful about the mechanics of a magic item.
I think he added the phantom part to make the criminal cancel his plans and try to run away. If the bus had actually made it to it's destination, it would be unrealistic for him to be hit by a car. He needed the criminal to die, but in a way that couldn't be traced back to Kira, so he couldn't do heart attack or anything that resembled it. He could of thought of something else, like maybe the criminal dies to Raye, or richochets one of his own bullets back at him. But I think the phantom plan makes sense.
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1. A death note command can ONLY kill the named individual. This doesnt get implied or clarified until later, so people usually call this out at this point. 2. It had to he an accidental death specifically because Light does not want L to connect THIS death to Light, or plans later for Raye to be the result of Raye's findings. Up to this point, L and the police still only associate heart attacks with Kira. He could have used accidental death of another kind, sure. Light having the Ryuk thing probably was creative flare going into it. Maybe self indulgant.
Yeah, they made this clear later (at least point 2, on 1 I still have new updates as of e8, but I guess it kinda makes sense because otherwise it would circumvent the name rule)
22:33 I don't think they said this yet but You can't use the death note to control someone into killing someone else unless you have the name of the person you want to them to kill so he couldn't make that Criminal kill the fbi agent, if the Death Note could do that he would have already written down a random persons name and said that they find the detective L and kill him, and even if he could kill the fbi agent L would suspect the person the agent was following would be Kira because he died while following them
Probably not if you want to specify the victim of a murder, but what would even happen if Light wrote in that the man walks into a police station with a bomb strapped to his chest and that detonation was the cause of death? If his goal was to kill the receptionist working there, that seems like an easy way to get rid of someone without needing a name or even a face. I don't remember all the rules by heart, but I can't remember any that explicitly forbid using the book that way. In fact we know for certain that using the notebook in specific situations can actually save (thereby extending) lives in the process. The opposite must also be true. The real heart of it is that you cannot guarantee someone's death without knowing their names, which is what Light is after, anyway.
@@RedStar_N7 It wouldn't work because that is colleteral damage, so that man would die of a heart attack before he could do any of that, as the rule 21 clearly states: Even if only one name is written in the Death Note, if the victim's death causes other humans that are not written in it to die, the cause of death will default to a heart attack. I get what you are saying techinically he didn't write the cause of death would be the bomb, he just manipulated him to get the bomb on his chest and go the police, but as I understtand that rule the death note would prevent that the whole scenario from start.
@@pimentx3253 Thanks for clearing that up. It's still a little vague about how far the Death Note will go to prevent unforseen deaths Because all I'm seeing in that rule is that the cause of death changes. I'm a bit lost as to how others reach the conclusion that the Death Note will bend reality itself to make sure no one else is killed in the process Does that mean that if you intend to kill a pregnant woman, the Death Note will wait the full 9 months until the baby is born before killing her in order to ensure the baby's survival? I know the book and it's rules are simply a plot device for the narrative, but it's fun to think of scenarios where Light could have figured out loopholes Like why even bother having that one rule where Shinigami aren't supposed to use death as a means to indirectly extend human lives. Why not just have the book refuse any action until that first human died? That the author wrote a specific storyline where a Shinigami does just that, implies that the Death Note CAN in fact be misused and that you pay a heavy price for disobeying said rules if you're a Shinigami I don't know that every rule exists explicitly to explain what can and cannot be done with the Death Note. I think they're basically guidelines on how a Shinigami is expected to operate. In the same way that laws are meant to deter us from bad behavior. Either way, I would have loved seeing some examples of these rules being enforced, to get a clearer picture over the matter
The Death Note can only kill those whose names are written in it. Since the bus jacking was a scenario engineered by the Death Note the only person who would, or even could die is the bus jacker.
Light didn't want Raye to die because--oh. :D Love the commentary so far. Watched all of them. Most of the time with these reaction videos, they've been to school for just a year or two, but here, the school is you!
16:44 well light is purposefully sitting in the second to last row. Cause it forces the agent to sit directly behind him. If he were to sit in front of to the side light may see him write down some stuff. If light were to sit more to the front, the agent may sit too far away for him to give his FBI ID.
I think the point of the second rule this episode told us is that you can write "John Smith, dies in 5 seconds of a heart attack" so that you don't have to wait the normal time limit. Basically, if you write it out fast enough, you can make the death immediate.
I think Light made the criminal touch the paper to test if a piece of the Death Note retains the properties of the whole book. It's just a secondary objective.
The death note can't make someone act in a way they wouldn't conceivably act on their own. He engineered the situation with Ryuk so that the criminal would have a reason to flee the scene empty-handed, at which point he could get hit by the car. If the criminal simply died of a heart attack or something on the bus, Kira's involvement would be obvious. Also, I'm sure others have pointed this out, but the death note can't be used to kill anyone whose name isn't written. He can't instruct one person to kill another unless he knows both of their names.
As a lot of people noted, you cannot kill another person without knowing his or her name, so you can't simply make a criminal kill your target. That'd be a loophole of sorts, but it doesn't work. But all the commenters know that because this is stated in a later episode. This info was not stated yet at this point in time in the anime, so they are kinda spoiling some info I guess haha notthing serious though
Killing the investigator in the bus is stupid too even without the rule. It's too convenient for Light's side that his investigator coincidentally died in the bus with him.
Great reaction, as usual. I can't wait to watch your next DN reactions. By the way, at 13:04 , L realizes that there is something hidden in the message written by one of the dead prisoners. What he has realized and that does not appear in your subtitles is the following message... "L, DO YOU KNOW..."
In the details written in the death note you can't make someone kill someone else, i don't know when that's said but I'm pretty sure that's a thing. That's why the only way to get him killed is by getting him tò show his name
5:10 That's interesting. Do you think that's the main reason why so many people leave society to definy themselves? Like: "You're a policeman" "You're a worker" "You're a clerks" "You're an accountant" etc. etc., and they "play the character" all life long, even if they don't like it? To fullfill their desire to feel the sensation to have a goal, to make a sense of WHY they were born here, on planet Earth? That's interesting... I needed a German youtuber to ask myself these philosophical questions again, at the old age of 41 Lol! Thank you, man!
It isn't warping reality or bending it, it is more so bending or breaking the Free Will of the individual and compelling them to adhere to the commands written.
in the English dub when L is explaining why he thinks Kira is a student he brings up that he seems to have a childish sense of justice. Its accurate, he always seems to assume he is right and never actually considers others as complex people with thoughts like his own. like he justifies killing people because he is doing "the right thing" but doesn't expand that empathy to his victims, what if the people he kills are framed or killed/stole to protect someone. he cant comprehend others as having complex minds.
"Why did he make it so overly complicated?" He needed a situation in which Raye Penbar would not suspect him for asking for proof of him not being the accomplice, while he is still under investigation. As you'd notice in post, Raye did say that if Light was Kira, he could just kill the man with a heart attack, and would have no reason to do anything to put his own life at risk, considering the man is a criminal and fits the profile of all other Kira murders. In fact, it would be more likely that Kira would immediately kill him, in Raye's eyes, because they don't know he still needs to write anything in a book to even do it, all they know is that he needs a name and a face, and that he's targeting criminals. So to Raye, him simply doing the criminal act and threatening lives infront of Light, if light were Kira, would immediately doom him with a heart attack, rather than risk anything.
19:43 - Despite what others have already said, I think that the criminal couldn't kill the FBI guy, because he (criminal) couldn't know that Light has a stalker, and from experiments we got that people that are about to die from the death note, can't do / write what they don't know.
In terms of why it was so complicated, you can't say i will talk to someone... because who is "I" to the busjacker? And, he doesn't want Raye to just die here, cause he's the one being investigated. Also, Raye doesn't want to be found, cause it's not a little illegal for him to be investigating without the japanese knowing he's there.
11:20 Yeah, I remember about you asking yourself if Death Note can work "magically" to bend reality, and make the impossible happens, from Ep. 1. You're a very intelligent person.
13:03 That first row reads 'L, do you know?" 14:45 essentially, writing a name starts a 40 second timer for a heart attack. writing a cause of death will disable that timer, then start a new timer of 6 minutes and 40 seconds to write details of the written cause. If you say at 1:00:00 pm wrote a name, then heart attack, then wrote for it to happen at 1:00:20 pm, it'll happen faster than 40 seconds. 17:56 Technically against the rules of the notebook. Only the person who's name is written shall die. So technically speaking the only way to get someone else killed during an event is to write their name too. 23:41 Even if he could make the guy shoot Raye, the FBI agent, wouldn't it be highly suspicious that the guy tailing Light dies while tailing Light?
Since light couldn't control the FBI agent to give him his name, he controled the criminal and creates a scenario around that guy that would make the FBI agent give light his name. Of course everything worked well because the agent kept following them, if he hadn't he'd be fine
I think he made him see Ryuk and discharge the gun, because it wouldn't be something he would normally do, it's like what you said about the unicorn that doesn't exist, I think he just wanted to make sure nothing went wrong
To clear up something even though I am not completely justifying it. The guy he used to hijak the bus didn’t just rob someone but killed three people according to the FBI agent.
Besides the fact that according to the note's rules themselves he couldn't get the FBI agent killed second-handedly which people have kindly pointed out, I think "Well, we're investigating this murderer who can magically kill people, and the agent resposnsible for watching over Light Yagami just got conveniently shot in a bus with Light inside." Is kinda... You know, sus (in my opinion of course). Loving your reactions btw!
So, my theory on what Shinigami did before they essentially stagnated is that they were much more involved in the human world, at least in watching it if not participating. I think that once the human population reached the billions, it grew less and less fun for Shinigami to watch humans or get involved in their lives. It's like, for example, when a piece of fiction becomes oversaturated with characters that the reader/viewer needs to follow to get the full story, they might feel overwhelmed or have trouble becoming attached or invested in the story as a result. I think that's what happened for Shinigami, it was no longer worth following the lives of so many humans and using their Notes to mess with them, so they lost interest and also their drive.
You can't force someone whose death is written in deathnote to kill another person by wriring circumstances of death. It is rule of death note and first reason why Light did it that way.
The rule states that you cannot control a person to commit acts he have not any knowledge of..so if Light wrote that this hijacker shall kill the man following Light, the hijacker, simply does not have any knowledge of either Light Yagami and the one following him..
From Lights perspective, your plan to just kill "the stalker" sounds fine to me since he didnt knew Penber was an agent then. I think its either Light being extremely cautious, or the writers not wanting to fuck up the story. Because if Penber was just killed there with nothing else happening, that would've made light extremely suspicious. They start to use FBI agents trailing people. One died....hmmmmmm
20:05 Did you notice the detail that the failed bank robber didn't just attack three civilians during the attempt; he killed them. Does knowing that change your on-screen counter?
A good quetion, I am actually unsure. I think I still would say no, because he is on the run. But it might be half a point actually. i think I will update it in episode 8 onwards, thanks for pointing that out! =)
23:09 you forgot about one of the rules. You can't use someone's death to kill another person. That's an important rule. You need the person's name and face to kill them there's no getting around that.
He couldnt kill the FBI agent because he doesnt know his name and his face. Because how would he write in the deatnote "kill that specific person" without any information about them.
Maybe he could have written the man at the back of the bus, but that could be interpreted as Light. Maybe he could have written shot by law enforcement, but Light didn't know Ray had a weapon.
There's several bits from the manga they skipped over in this episode that they really shouldn't have: 1) Ryuk actually telling Light that a death god can't be killed by bullets. They leave in the bit where Ryuk talks about how he told Light this, so you can infer it happened offscreen, but it works better when what's referenced is actually dialogue you remember from earlier. 2) Ryuk explaining what death gods did in the past, which is what you wondered about. In the past they cared more about interacting with humans, and would kill people they didn't like, killing people because their death would make the world a better place, or killing people whose deaths would have interesting consequences they'd get to watch. But now they've lost all such interest and just pick humans to kill at random purely for the sake of staying alive themselves. 3) Light explaining why he wanted to get rid of Penber instead of just waiting until he cleared him of suspiscion. If the FBI cleared everyone of suspicion, they'd have to reinvestigate everyone, and would do so far more closely, which WOULD eventually put him at risk. 4) Not super important, but Light also does another test where he makes a criminal die from getting stabbed with his own knife during a robbery, one that the police never realize is a test due to the lack of a heart attack and the rather non-suspicious way the criminal dies. It gets reported in the newspaper, but the police doesn't tie it to Kira. It's a more complicated description of a death that includes the manipulation of another person (a shop clerk that accidentally causes the stabbing while trying to disarm the criminal), so more of a test run for the bus scheme.
Man kann keinem den Auftrag geben andere zu töten, das geht nicht. Nur die Person dessen Name reingeschrieben wird stirbt, deswegen kann Light da ja auch so entspannt bleiben, weil er weiß, dass für ihn keinerlei Gefahr besteht.
Das macht zwar vollkommen sinn, war aber noch nicht erwähnt, weshalb es etwas kkomishc kam. Ich glaube, es wäre klarer gewesen wenn Light das auch in einem der Experimente rausgefunden hätte. =) Aber am Ende brauchte er Raye ja noch für E5 =)
17:56 One rule that will be reveal later in the show, is that you CANNOT force ANYONE to kills ANYONE by writing such thing in the Death Note. So, if someone would write my name in the Death Note, "Gabriele Solletico dies on August, the 29th, 2024, after have killed the RUclipsr know as "Storieswithstyles" at 9:00 AM, I would simply die of an heart attack, because the Death Note can't manipulate me into killing some other else.
If you kill the agent immediately you will just drawn attention to other agent since all agent aware what kira is capable of. You will be caught sooner or later. Light thinks he need to wait to coupltof days before he can kill ray penber
You can't use Death Note to make one person shoot another, I think this gets explained later on. And why did he need his name, I guess you got that in later episodes
Rule 1 : THE HUMAN WHOSE NAME IS WRITTEN SHALL DIE The Death Note only kills who is named in the details leading to the death to prevent people who aren't named from dieing.
@@storieswithstyle Rule 2: The note WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT unless the user has his or her face in their mind while writing their name therefor people sharing the same name will NOT be affected This rule implies that the user has to deliberately designate and identify their target themselves if they want the note to take effect
I dont think Light could kill fbi guy with use of bus hijacker, either he would have to know name of the fbi guy to write his name or if he wrote "hijacker kills fbi guy and dies" then hijacker would have to know who is fbi guy. and death note cannot do anything victim cannot figure out themself. the same goes for extremes like "he kills everyone on the bus except for me" etc. Just my idea
Light never wrote anything about the agent, because the Death Note can only influence what the person whose name you write does. Corollary events are calculated in advance by Light, helped here by the agent being a complete moron.
Why don't you understand Light's actions here? Put yourself in L's shoes. As L, what would you do if you heard that a FBI investigator who was investigating a Kira suspect was killed mid-investigation? Wouldn't all your suspicions focus on that suspect, which is Light in this case?
The Death Note can not cause the death of a person who's name isn't written in the death note If light wrote down "John Doe kills L and then gets into a car accident" John Doe will simply die of a heart attack
Tbh although this would ruin the story, it would've made more sense to go after heads of states, world leaders, etc... That way you can blackmail them to prevent the feds investigating you. You could also create a ton of chaos and division that way and pick up the pieces using the force of the death note.
Please watch "No Longer Allowed In Another World" a story about a writer in another world Sort of an absurdist humor, but with rare great storytelling in it. ... if you look hard enough
@@storieswithstyle He read the rules. Not all the rules appear in the anime as cards, but there are official replicas of the Death Note with every single name that was written and every single rule on the preface.
I won't discuss the bus incident because you seem to have seen the answer AND it's kinda spoilery, so instead I'll play Ruyk's advocate and discuss morality. If you permit the killing of one specifically to prevent the death of (or serious harm to) another, then it sounds like the outcome of the action is a big part of your decision making process. In that case, why would you oppose Light's actions? Surely it seems callous and psychopathic, but he does have the intent to do it for a better outcome. If one life for one life is justifiable, then a world where violent crimes are removed from the minds of mentally sound people must have saved more than however many he needs to kill to get there. The only rationally honest reason for opposition is you don't think he can realistically succeed. But why? You once questioned whether he needs to keep killing to maintain his utopia (which would be unrealistic and unsustainable), but is that the only way? I'd argue that humans are creatures of habit. If a whole new generation grows up believing deeply in their hearts that they will pay for their actions, would they not choose to abstain? Would they not teach their children the same lessons? 3 generations later, would you not say that society, while not perfect, would be completely different from today? Even after Light's death, do you think society would revert to its old values of wanton violence and cruelty? I don't think so because I don't see our real life society ever going back to having slaves, even though that was perfectly acceptable once. Now one might argue that crimes are an inherent part of human nature, and I have nothing to offer in opposition to that. However, what I will say is that like me, Light doesn't share that opinion. He is optimistic about the nature of humanity; he simply thinks the world needs guidance, not deliverance or (to bring religion into the conversation briefly) judgment.
while the plan definitely was unneccesarily overcomplicated, it's point wasn't killing the agent but just acquire an asset (his name) for the next stage of the plan. if mind serves, it's told in the anime that Light can't kill Raye just yet and it's quite obvious why: he now has shown the police and L that Kira can controll victims' actions right before their death, then all of a sudden some random drug addict who attacked civilians well... "lives?" only to die a while later and specifically kill an FBI agent (and let's be honest, if it would have happened, he'd likely be the only one fatally injured) who of course just so happened to investigate one of case's suspects. yeah, sure, cool story... probability of this suspect being Kira just skyrockets to 99%
I hear you say repeatedly how morally abhorrent you think it would be to kill people with something like a death note, safe for very rare exceptions. Do you think you would feel the same if you were an investigator for something like human trafficking, homicides or war crimes?
Well, those are the rare exceptions :D I think stopping people from killing (physically or mentally with grape or similar) is the only thing that I would argue for.
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Touching the note was part of the death trigger, so light engineered the situation so this person would only be able to touch the note if light had successfully gotten the ID from the agent - basically a condition he can freely release.
I don't know if they state in the show or not, but you can't make one person kill another with the deathnote. So no, it wasn't for the lulls. It's also so that he'd have a place to "empty his gun into" where no one gets hurt. While he is cocky he's not ok with unpredictability. Im not saying this to defend him. i don't think he cared about the passengers, but he definitely didn't want anything to happen out of his control like a stray bullet. Edit: just saw the ep 5 edit ok. With almost everyone in this show, let them cook
That makes sense. =) I think would have been good to emphasise that by having it be a result of Kiras experiment. =)
I think the point of that "rule" is that you can't kill someone with the death note without writing their name in. In the 1st episode and in this we see people dying in accidents, so we could say that the drivers killed them, but here the one getting killed was the one whose name was written. Maybe it could work if he knew the names of both people so he can write one dies killed by the other.
@@ancalagoonn I believe this is may have been used in one of the one-shot spinoffs.
@@storieswithstylethey tend to omit some of the internal monologues of light and L in the adaptation from manga to anime
@@mrfr33b0i2 so true, i hate it. Also why manga is better than anime
I think the reason why Light didn't just make the criminal kill Raye Penber was because of a death note rule that states a death written cannot affect the death of anyone else. It also maybe because Light made it so complicated to feed his ego.
[spoilers for the next episode]
He did it that way because if the criminal killed Raye, then Light would have no way of finding out who the other FBI agents were.
@@finnbach2632The criminal cannot kill Rae, it's against the rules.
no it's not a flaw, it's a setup for the next episode
@@Pinko-Diamond Against the rules doesn't mean it won't happen, though. Remember what happened to the Shinigami who broke the rules? Its not as if the book refused his writings. It obeyed and then punished him accordingly
First of all it would make Light VERY suspicious and second of all he needed him to kill the other FBI agents
First time I watched this epsiode, there's that frame of Light's date absolutely traumatized staring at the dead man bleeding out on the ground, and I just imagined Light being like "so, about that date to fun land... uhh, is that still on? Or, uhh, or not?"
Couple of things: Light learned from his experiments that he can't make his victims act on things they don't know about. The criminal didn't know Light nor Ray Pember, so it would be useless to say "kill the man whom I'm going to talk to". And also, about the ripped piece of paper, I belive it was another experimentation.
Reminder from episode 1. Both Ryuk and Light admit openly to each other that the only reason they are doing what they are doing is because they are "bored". I take everything Light does that's way out of pocket as being intended (at least at some level beyond him just staying alive and continuing his thing) to alleviate their shared boredom.
Sure, he could possible have had the guy shoot the guy who sits behind Light, as that's obviously his stalker. But he wanted to entertain Ryuk a bit. And at the meta level, Light's the author and we're Ryuk.
About his morality for his murders, he already stated in episode 1 that criminals will die with an hearth attack, while people who are not "useful to society" or waste their talents will die due to illnesses and accidents. Meaning his end goal involves killing people that are unemployed or homeless or just lazy.
Yeah, he is definitely off the deep end already in my mind xD
...so that's why I'm suffering from chronic pain and always finding new health issues. It's not bad luck at all, IT WAS LIGHT!!!
Light, please, show some mercy. I have a diploma now, I'm trying to get a job, stop making it extra hard for me...
And there are people who actually seriously justify lights actions
(I would never speak to someone in person if I knew they justify lights actions)
The reason your "shoot the FBI agent" - Idea wouldn't work is the fact that the death note has a no colateral damage rule, I think it was mentioned in passing in the first episode. Basically, no matter what light writes, nobody other than the named person can die from it. Traffic accident? 1 dead. Explosion? 1 dead. Building collapse? 1 dead. Never more than the ones he names.
Except (minor spoiler) Kira kills several people with one command from the notebook in the very next episode.
Yeah, it's why blowing up some huge place with the Death Note is impractical. You would have to write over and over how everyone inside dies due to it, so you would to set the day to be something in-between several weeks to a the limit of days and then painstakingly write how the thing collapses and everyone perishes in it or near it. Which or course, is even more impractical because you would need to know the name of each possible victims, so either a Shinigami straight up tells you everyone's names or you have to make the deal, or get someone to make the deal and then have them observe everyone who comes in and out and write down their names, and even then, if said person is far away from the building when it collapses, then they would die of a heart attack, and it could happen to a lot of people who don't go near the area frequently or at all. It's really, really easy to plan something large with the Death Note and it outright not working and causing a mass cascade of heart attacks that would lead the police straight to the same sort of chase of Episode 2.
I am not sure that was stated, but it does make sense :D
@@justincrowley8787 Spoiler for episode 5:
what he does in the next episode is more of a work around, the way he wrote the death of the one command had nothing to do with the other deaths. He just made the guy sit on the train for the entire rout before getting off and having a heart attack, the writing of the names was a separate action using threats and blackmail, not any kind of Death note mind control
@@justincrowley8787 yeah, but all those people had their names written into the book. he didn't use the death note to make penbur write their names
23:45
To explain the WHY
Light knew from the beginning that he was stalked. He wanted 3 things
1- info on who was stalking him, giving him a clue as to L's methods
2A- the name of his stalker, so he could die before reporting to L
2B- if 2A was somehow impossible, he planned to use that event as a way to make himself look innocent, by "cooperating" with L's lackey, bringing him closer to identifying L himself
3- it was the ultimate test for the inner workings of the death note. Every word he wrote was chosen carefully to be very specific, yet vague enough that it could be manipulated into reality.
All light had to do was to board the 11:15 train towards spaceland, and since he was being stalked, he needed an excuse to travel towards spaceland to look inconspicuous to his stalker
So yeah all that plan was just to get the agent's name and use it for later, of course he can NOT kill him yet while he is being investigated because it would be very obvious that he is Kira.
Even so, how could he kill the agent or manipulate the thieve to do so if he didn't have a name?
@@luishurtado2170The name of the thief was on TV who regular robbed bus in this zone
@@クリスタルリート I'm talking about the FBI agent?
@@クリスタルリート he cant tell someone to kill someone
Yeah, it got clearer in episode 5 =)
This is a great episode. I think this is the episode where we really see how far Light is willing to go and how he is able to use people. It also does a great job of establishing the dynamic for most of the show where Light usually takes a very high risk high reward approach to his strategy and every plan has to be very complex to keep that plausible deniability going.
I really love how this series really delves into the different levels of intelligence. What makes Light so dangerous is that he's a smart kid without the wisdom to temper it. He can have terrible ideas and be convinced that they're good ideas for the simple fact that he's able to execute them so perfectly
In contrast L leaves ego aside and opts to never work in absolutes. Always finding ways to confirm his theories before trying anything outlandish unless his hand is forced. It really makes me wonder what Death Note would have been if the roles were reversed and L was the one judging evil
Im pretty sure there is a fan made story about that
L absolutely does not leave ego aside. If he did, he'd be willing to cheat to win.
I love light he amzing villain and smart in his episode keep going king your the best❤
Oj, I think that L as Kira would have simply being unstoppable!! He is much more cautious than Light, as you observed...
The way Light planned this plot is so slick and clever! it's insane! He literally has no soul I was speechless! The music is also phenomenal
Rewatching this makes me understand that Light is a master tactician in closed set pieces if achieving short-term goals, but he is awful at the longer, bigger picture strategy of eliminating all chances of getting caught.
The guy's need to grandstand meant he was going to fail from the start if someone he couldn't kill was able to observe him.
22:15, remember, its written that he cant make someone do something they wouldn't reasonably do. he also has to make sure the guy dies quickly, and in a way that wont be connected to kira.
He set up the elaborate situation to trick the FBI agent to show his badge, giving Kira his name as well as making Raye Penber less suspicious of Light
yes, the familiar "It's only 12, I have time to watch one or two more episodes...right?"
3:22 The reason some rules arent in the death note is because some rules can be made in real time(by the shinigami king) and most importantly the rules for this note book was written by ryuk and he just forgot most of them
He wrote in english because its the most spoken language on earth even tho he dropped it in japan.
Ahhh, yeahg, that makes sense, I see. =D
I think this is the first episode that really shows how dangerous Light is, and what kind of intelligence he excels at.
*No spoilers:* It is a rule of the Death Note that the Note cannot cause the death or direct harm of anyone other than the name written in it. If you write a cause or details of death that result in others being directly harmed, it will not happen and the victim dies of heart attack instead. However, just the fact that people die can still influence the lifespans of other people; for example, a surgeon who was killed before he performed a life saving surgery would likely result in the lifespan of the patient being shortened. Hence, it is conceivable that you could use the Death Note to cause the deaths of multiple people just by writing one name, but the cause of the death of everyone else will be outside of the Death Note's control. For example, if you kill the pilot of a plane, there is a chance that this action causes the plane to crash, so other people might die as a result (this would be the life spans of those people shortening) - but there is also a chance that someone else takes control of the plane and successfully crash lands it with no loss of life, and the only way to prevent this chance would be to write the names of every single other person on the plane and control them to prevent this from happening.
The only way to use the Death Note to make one person directly harm another is to write the names of both people and have the circumstances of their deaths align.
But then it should be impossible to kill by car accidents, correct? because drivers are hurt a bit as well, always I guess. =D
@@storieswithstyle Logically, there should be a minor level of harm that is acceptable, and the kind of harm the Death Note prevents is of a more serious kind. E.g., in a car accident, the person in the car is always safer than the pedestrian, the person wearing seatbelt is always safer than the person not doing so, the larger vehicle is safer in collisions with a smaller one, etc. Possibly the way the Death Note manipulates fate would involve these kinds of asymmetric risk scenarios to never put others beyond a minor risk level, and if this cannot happen, the victim will die of heart attack instead. This is just my own interpretation, though, there are no rules that specifically address this question that I can recall.
You can look up the complete rules yourself once you finish the series, there are dozens of them and many are not even relevant to the story - just the author being thoughtful about the mechanics of a magic item.
I LOVE deathnote, I found your channel yesterday and am so excited to be joining so early in this series!!
Thanks, I hope you enjoy the ride! =)
I think he added the phantom part to make the criminal cancel his plans and try to run away. If the bus had actually made it to it's destination, it would be unrealistic for him to be hit by a car. He needed the criminal to die, but in a way that couldn't be traced back to Kira, so he couldn't do heart attack or anything that resembled it.
He could of thought of something else, like maybe the criminal dies to Raye, or richochets one of his own bullets back at him. But I think the phantom plan makes sense.
Perhaps also to ensure himself that it will work? like that the stuff he writes in actually happens?
@@storieswithstyleyeah it's reasonable to assume he still wants to test that with what he knows apart from the experiments he did on the criminals
I like that you clarify that Light's plan in episode 5 made this plan more vital
- "why are we here?"
- "plastic!"
I'd just like to point out: the soundtrack is immaculate.
Yeah, it is awesome
Thanks for the reaction, it was really something! Also, congratulations for the 12.500 subscribers! Just a week ago, when I discovered you, they were still about 10.000!
Another one! Hell yeah!
Yes! =)
@@storieswithstyle btw he cant make someone kill someone with the dn
1. A death note command can ONLY kill the named individual. This doesnt get implied or clarified until later, so people usually call this out at this point.
2. It had to he an accidental death specifically because Light does not want L to connect THIS death to Light, or plans later for Raye to be the result of Raye's findings. Up to this point, L and the police still only associate heart attacks with Kira.
He could have used accidental death of another kind, sure. Light having the Ryuk thing probably was creative flare going into it. Maybe self indulgant.
Yeah, they made this clear later (at least point 2, on 1 I still have new updates as of e8, but I guess it kinda makes sense because otherwise it would circumvent the name rule)
22:33
I don't think they said this yet but
You can't use the death note to control someone into killing someone else unless you have the name of the person you want to them to kill so he couldn't make that Criminal kill the fbi agent, if the Death Note could do that he would have already written down a random persons name and said that they find the detective L and kill him, and even if he could kill the fbi agent L would suspect the person the agent was following would be Kira because he died while following them
It did pop up but it was a rule on the screen but nobody's actually remembering all the rules that pop up this early.
Probably not if you want to specify the victim of a murder, but what would even happen if Light wrote in that the man walks into a police station with a bomb strapped to his chest and that detonation was the cause of death? If his goal was to kill the receptionist working there, that seems like an easy way to get rid of someone without needing a name or even a face. I don't remember all the rules by heart, but I can't remember any that explicitly forbid using the book that way.
In fact we know for certain that using the notebook in specific situations can actually save (thereby extending) lives in the process. The opposite must also be true. The real heart of it is that you cannot guarantee someone's death without knowing their names, which is what Light is after, anyway.
@@RedStar_N7 It wouldn't work because that is colleteral damage, so that man would die of a heart attack before he could do any of that, as the rule 21 clearly states: Even if only one name is written in the Death Note, if the victim's death causes other humans that are not written in it to die, the cause of death will default to a heart attack. I get what you are saying techinically he didn't write the cause of death would be the bomb, he just manipulated him to get the bomb on his chest and go the police, but as I understtand that rule the death note would prevent that the whole scenario from start.
@@pimentx3253 Thanks for clearing that up. It's still a little vague about how far the Death Note will go to prevent unforseen deaths
Because all I'm seeing in that rule is that the cause of death changes. I'm a bit lost as to how others reach the conclusion that the Death Note will bend reality itself to make sure no one else is killed in the process
Does that mean that if you intend to kill a pregnant woman, the Death Note will wait the full 9 months until the baby is born before killing her in order to ensure the baby's survival?
I know the book and it's rules are simply a plot device for the narrative, but it's fun to think of scenarios where Light could have figured out loopholes
Like why even bother having that one rule where Shinigami aren't supposed to use death as a means to indirectly extend human lives. Why not just have the book refuse any action until that first human died? That the author wrote a specific storyline where a Shinigami does just that, implies that the Death Note CAN in fact be misused and that you pay a heavy price for disobeying said rules if you're a Shinigami
I don't know that every rule exists explicitly to explain what can and cannot be done with the Death Note. I think they're basically guidelines on how a Shinigami is expected to operate. In the same way that laws are meant to deter us from bad behavior. Either way, I would have loved seeing some examples of these rules being enforced, to get a clearer picture over the matter
When did it pop up? I must have missed it
The Death Note can only kill those whose names are written in it. Since the bus jacking was a scenario engineered by the Death Note the only person who would, or even could die is the bus jacker.
Light didn't want Raye to die because--oh. :D Love the commentary so far. Watched all of them. Most of the time with these reaction videos, they've been to school for just a year or two, but here, the school is you!
16:44 well light is purposefully sitting in the second to last row. Cause it forces the agent to sit directly behind him. If he were to sit in front of to the side light may see him write down some stuff. If light were to sit more to the front, the agent may sit too far away for him to give his FBI ID.
You will see his plan in the next episode :)
It is epic! I am jealous I wish I could watch this for the first time again.
Yeah, he was thinking ahead a lot more than I thought :D
It's showing us how far you can use the death note, turns out you can use it in clever ways
Ohhhhh, I can't wait to see this! You'll LOVE this one, man!! Well... about Light's IQ... not certainly about him as a person! :)
SCARING THE LITTLE GIRL!!??!!
Lmao Mr Toomey please calm down!
I think the point of the second rule this episode told us is that you can write "John Smith, dies in 5 seconds of a heart attack" so that you don't have to wait the normal time limit. Basically, if you write it out fast enough, you can make the death immediate.
I think Light made the criminal touch the paper to test if a piece of the Death Note retains the properties of the whole book. It's just a secondary objective.
i think if he used the criminal to kill the agent, it would be a little sus that this particular agent suddenly died
He can't actually do it. The rules of the Death Note don't allow it.
Yeah, he needed him, but people have told me you can not kill more than the named person =)
The death note can't make someone act in a way they wouldn't conceivably act on their own. He engineered the situation with Ryuk so that the criminal would have a reason to flee the scene empty-handed, at which point he could get hit by the car. If the criminal simply died of a heart attack or something on the bus, Kira's involvement would be obvious.
Also, I'm sure others have pointed this out, but the death note can't be used to kill anyone whose name isn't written. He can't instruct one person to kill another unless he knows both of their names.
As a lot of people noted, you cannot kill another person without knowing his or her name, so you can't simply make a criminal kill your target. That'd be a loophole of sorts, but it doesn't work. But all the commenters know that because this is stated in a later episode. This info was not stated yet at this point in time in the anime, so they are kinda spoiling some info I guess haha notthing serious though
Killing the investigator in the bus is stupid too even without the rule. It's too convenient for Light's side that his investigator coincidentally died in the bus with him.
Yeah, weirdest thing is that his date has not come up again (till e10) 🤔
lmao the titles for his videos are so dramatic and im all for it
i love this reaction series so far!
Great reaction, as usual. I can't wait to watch your next DN reactions.
By the way, at 13:04 , L realizes that there is something hidden in the message written by one of the dead prisoners. What he has realized and that does not appear in your subtitles is the following message... "L, DO YOU KNOW..."
Yeah, he does indeed, though Light is just f*ing with him :D
In the details written in the death note you can't make someone kill someone else, i don't know when that's said but I'm pretty sure that's a thing. That's why the only way to get him killed is by getting him tò show his name
I do not remember that, but it would make sense =)
5:10 That's interesting. Do you think that's the main reason why so many people leave society to definy themselves? Like: "You're a policeman" "You're a worker" "You're a clerks" "You're an accountant" etc. etc., and they "play the character" all life long, even if they don't like it? To fullfill their desire to feel the sensation to have a goal, to make a sense of WHY they were born here, on planet Earth? That's interesting... I needed a German youtuber to ask myself these philosophical questions again, at the old age of 41 Lol! Thank you, man!
It isn't warping reality or bending it, it is more so bending or breaking the Free Will of the individual and compelling them to adhere to the commands written.
in the English dub when L is explaining why he thinks Kira is a student he brings up that he seems to have a childish sense of justice. Its accurate, he always seems to assume he is right and never actually considers others as complex people with thoughts like his own. like he justifies killing people because he is doing "the right thing" but doesn't expand that empathy to his victims, what if the people he kills are framed or killed/stole to protect someone. he cant comprehend others as having complex minds.
"Why did he make it so overly complicated?"
He needed a situation in which Raye Penbar would not suspect him for asking for proof of him not being the accomplice, while he is still under investigation.
As you'd notice in post, Raye did say that if Light was Kira, he could just kill the man with a heart attack, and would have no reason to do anything to put his own life at risk, considering the man is a criminal and fits the profile of all other Kira murders. In fact, it would be more likely that Kira would immediately kill him, in Raye's eyes, because they don't know he still needs to write anything in a book to even do it, all they know is that he needs a name and a face, and that he's targeting criminals. So to Raye, him simply doing the criminal act and threatening lives infront of Light, if light were Kira, would immediately doom him with a heart attack, rather than risk anything.
Next episode you will see why he made it so complicated (cant wait for your next reaction)
19:43 - Despite what others have already said, I think that the criminal couldn't kill the FBI guy, because he (criminal) couldn't know that Light has a stalker, and from experiments we got that people that are about to die from the death note, can't do / write what they don't know.
In terms of why it was so complicated, you can't say i will talk to someone... because who is "I" to the busjacker? And, he doesn't want Raye to just die here, cause he's the one being investigated. Also, Raye doesn't want to be found, cause it's not a little illegal for him to be investigating without the japanese knowing he's there.
Yeah, the main reason was revealed in episode 5 =)
11:20 Yeah, I remember about you asking yourself if Death Note can work "magically" to bend reality, and make the impossible happens, from Ep. 1. You're a very intelligent person.
13:03 That first row reads 'L, do you know?"
14:45 essentially, writing a name starts a 40 second timer for a heart attack. writing a cause of death will disable that timer, then start a new timer of 6 minutes and 40 seconds to write details of the written cause. If you say at 1:00:00 pm wrote a name, then heart attack, then wrote for it to happen at 1:00:20 pm, it'll happen faster than 40 seconds.
17:56 Technically against the rules of the notebook. Only the person who's name is written shall die. So technically speaking the only way to get someone else killed during an event is to write their name too.
23:41 Even if he could make the guy shoot Raye, the FBI agent, wouldn't it be highly suspicious that the guy tailing Light dies while tailing Light?
Since light couldn't control the FBI agent to give him his name, he controled the criminal and creates a scenario around that guy that would make the FBI agent give light his name.
Of course everything worked well because the agent kept following them, if he hadn't he'd be fine
Love this reaction series, great to hear what you think. Also I only watched the dub (which is really good) but it's really cool to hear the sub!
He unfortunately cannot turn all of his victims into assassins before they die.
I think he made him see Ryuk and discharge the gun, because it wouldn't be something he would normally do, it's like what you said about the unicorn that doesn't exist, I think he just wanted to make sure nothing went wrong
But I also think he didn't need to do that haha
I think he is just sadistic :D
To clear up something even though I am not completely justifying it. The guy he used to hijak the bus didn’t just rob someone but killed three people according to the FBI agent.
The message said "L do you know"
Yeah, I think the subs came back in e5 on it =D
date from hell is wild lmao
Besides the fact that according to the note's rules themselves he couldn't get the FBI agent killed second-handedly which people have kindly pointed out, I think "Well, we're investigating this murderer who can magically kill people, and the agent resposnsible for watching over Light Yagami just got conveniently shot in a bus with Light inside." Is kinda... You know, sus (in my opinion of course). Loving your reactions btw!
Yeah, episode 5 did prove that I did not trust in Lights genius enough :D
So, my theory on what Shinigami did before they essentially stagnated is that they were much more involved in the human world, at least in watching it if not participating. I think that once the human population reached the billions, it grew less and less fun for Shinigami to watch humans or get involved in their lives. It's like, for example, when a piece of fiction becomes oversaturated with characters that the reader/viewer needs to follow to get the full story, they might feel overwhelmed or have trouble becoming attached or invested in the story as a result. I think that's what happened for Shinigami, it was no longer worth following the lives of so many humans and using their Notes to mess with them, so they lost interest and also their drive.
You can't force someone whose death is written in deathnote to kill another person by wriring circumstances of death. It is rule of death note and first reason why Light did it that way.
I don’t think it’s possible to make him kill raye penber since the criminal doesn’t know what he looks like
The rule states that you cannot control a person to commit acts he have not any knowledge of..so if Light wrote that this hijacker shall kill the man following Light, the hijacker, simply does not have any knowledge of either Light Yagami and the one following him..
I don't know why every time I hear this FBI agent's name I laugh I think it's something with my language that makes his name funny😂😂😂
I would say that even in English, it's a funny name...
From Lights perspective, your plan to just kill "the stalker" sounds fine to me since he didnt knew Penber was an agent then. I think its either Light being extremely cautious, or the writers not wanting to fuck up the story. Because if Penber was just killed there with nothing else happening, that would've made light extremely suspicious. They start to use FBI agents trailing people. One died....hmmmmmm
20:05 Did you notice the detail that the failed bank robber didn't just attack three civilians during the attempt; he killed them. Does knowing that change your on-screen counter?
A good quetion, I am actually unsure. I think I still would say no, because he is on the run. But it might be half a point actually. i think I will update it in episode 8 onwards, thanks for pointing that out! =)
23:09 you forgot about one of the rules. You can't use someone's death to kill another person.
That's an important rule.
You need the person's name and face to kill them there's no getting around that.
that was never stated though. I mena it makes sense, but I do not remmeber him saying that.
He couldnt kill the FBI agent because he doesnt know his name and his face. Because how would he write in the deatnote "kill that specific person" without any information about them.
Maybe he could have written the man at the back of the bus, but that could be interpreted as Light. Maybe he could have written shot by law enforcement, but Light didn't know Ray had a weapon.
Completely different from death note but you should react to Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Also loving this series so far!
I will, it lost to death note by 2 votes on patreon :D So it will probably be after dn :D
@@storieswithstyle Awesome, can’t wait :)
There's several bits from the manga they skipped over in this episode that they really shouldn't have:
1) Ryuk actually telling Light that a death god can't be killed by bullets. They leave in the bit where Ryuk talks about how he told Light this, so you can infer it happened offscreen, but it works better when what's referenced is actually dialogue you remember from earlier.
2) Ryuk explaining what death gods did in the past, which is what you wondered about. In the past they cared more about interacting with humans, and would kill people they didn't like, killing people because their death would make the world a better place, or killing people whose deaths would have interesting consequences they'd get to watch. But now they've lost all such interest and just pick humans to kill at random purely for the sake of staying alive themselves.
3) Light explaining why he wanted to get rid of Penber instead of just waiting until he cleared him of suspiscion. If the FBI cleared everyone of suspicion, they'd have to reinvestigate everyone, and would do so far more closely, which WOULD eventually put him at risk.
4) Not super important, but Light also does another test where he makes a criminal die from getting stabbed with his own knife during a robbery, one that the police never realize is a test due to the lack of a heart attack and the rather non-suspicious way the criminal dies. It gets reported in the newspaper, but the police doesn't tie it to Kira. It's a more complicated description of a death that includes the manipulation of another person (a shop clerk that accidentally causes the stabbing while trying to disarm the criminal), so more of a test run for the bus scheme.
Man kann keinem den Auftrag geben andere zu töten, das geht nicht. Nur die Person dessen Name reingeschrieben wird stirbt, deswegen kann Light da ja auch so entspannt bleiben, weil er weiß, dass für ihn keinerlei Gefahr besteht.
Das macht zwar vollkommen sinn, war aber noch nicht erwähnt, weshalb es etwas kkomishc kam. Ich glaube, es wäre klarer gewesen wenn Light das auch in einem der Experimente rausgefunden hätte. =) Aber am Ende brauchte er Raye ja noch für E5 =)
he couldn't have controlled Ray in any way if he doesn't know his name, besides as I am sure you know now.. he got all the FBI agents in one strike
17:56 One rule that will be reveal later in the show, is that you CANNOT force ANYONE to kills ANYONE by writing such thing in the Death Note. So, if someone would write my name in the Death Note, "Gabriele Solletico dies on August, the 29th, 2024, after have killed the RUclipsr know as "Storieswithstyles" at 9:00 AM, I would simply die of an heart attack, because the Death Note can't manipulate me into killing some other else.
If you kill the agent immediately you will just drawn attention to other agent since all agent aware what kira is capable of. You will be caught sooner or later. Light thinks he need to wait to coupltof days before he can kill ray penber
That is why I was so confused, it seemed so foolish, but e5 proved me an idiot =)
@@storieswithstyle that's fine.. everyone thought the same thing. Looking forward for your next upload
You can't use Death Note to make one person shoot another, I think this gets explained later on. And why did he need his name, I guess you got that in later episodes
yeah, he had other plans =(
Der Abend ist gerettet! :D
Hoffe es war ein schöner Abend! =)
Also, he can't make people kill others. At least not directly.
Why....?
I so badly want to tell you why. But I will wait until the end of the series.
Rule 1 : THE HUMAN WHOSE NAME IS WRITTEN SHALL DIE
The Death Note only kills who is named in the details leading to the death to prevent people who aren't named from dieing.
No, that does not mean it. I am sure that is a rule, butit does not say "only", so I would argue that is not clear :D
@@storieswithstyle Rule 2: The note WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT unless the user has his or her face in their mind while writing their name therefor people sharing the same name will NOT be affected
This rule implies that the user has to deliberately designate and identify their target themselves if they want the note to take effect
I dont think Light could kill fbi guy with use of bus hijacker, either he would have to know name of the fbi guy to write his name or if he wrote "hijacker kills fbi guy and dies" then hijacker would have to know who is fbi guy. and death note cannot do anything victim cannot figure out themself. the same goes for extremes like "he kills everyone on the bus except for me" etc. Just my idea
I think he might have, but it is later (next ep) explained he wanted to use him =)
@@storieswithstyle Ye, thats too :) I watched entire thing twice, now third time with you, I enjoy it, good work man :D
I would love to see you react to Parasyte!
Light never wrote anything about the agent, because the Death Note can only influence what the person whose name you write does.
Corollary events are calculated in advance by Light, helped here by the agent being a complete moron.
Why don't you understand Light's actions here? Put yourself in L's shoes. As L, what would you do if you heard that a FBI investigator who was investigating a Kira suspect was killed mid-investigation? Wouldn't all your suspicions focus on that suspect, which is Light in this case?
That is exatly why I was so confused about all of it, but it got cleared up in e5 =)
The Death Note can not cause the death of a person who's name isn't written in the death note
If light wrote down "John Doe kills L and then gets into a car accident" John Doe will simply die of a heart attack
Dub > Sub, and I'll die on this hill.
Tbh although this would ruin the story, it would've made more sense to go after heads of states, world leaders, etc... That way you can blackmail them to prevent the feds investigating you. You could also create a ton of chaos and division that way and pick up the pieces using the force of the death note.
Please watch "No Longer Allowed In Another World"
a story about a writer in another world
Sort of an absurdist humor, but with rare great storytelling in it.
... if you look hard enough
sorry can't spoil 🍿🍿🍿
the death note cant make people kill others
I kinda get why that would be a too big loophole, but Light does not know that (or I missed it, because i do not know that yet)
@@storieswithstyle He read the rules. Not all the rules appear in the anime as cards, but there are official replicas of the Death Note with every single name that was written and every single rule on the preface.
I won't discuss the bus incident because you seem to have seen the answer AND it's kinda spoilery, so instead I'll play Ruyk's advocate and discuss morality.
If you permit the killing of one specifically to prevent the death of (or serious harm to) another, then it sounds like the outcome of the action is a big part of your decision making process. In that case, why would you oppose Light's actions? Surely it seems callous and psychopathic, but he does have the intent to do it for a better outcome. If one life for one life is justifiable, then a world where violent crimes are removed from the minds of mentally sound people must have saved more than however many he needs to kill to get there.
The only rationally honest reason for opposition is you don't think he can realistically succeed. But why? You once questioned whether he needs to keep killing to maintain his utopia (which would be unrealistic and unsustainable), but is that the only way? I'd argue that humans are creatures of habit. If a whole new generation grows up believing deeply in their hearts that they will pay for their actions, would they not choose to abstain? Would they not teach their children the same lessons? 3 generations later, would you not say that society, while not perfect, would be completely different from today? Even after Light's death, do you think society would revert to its old values of wanton violence and cruelty? I don't think so because I don't see our real life society ever going back to having slaves, even though that was perfectly acceptable once.
Now one might argue that crimes are an inherent part of human nature, and I have nothing to offer in opposition to that. However, what I will say is that like me, Light doesn't share that opinion. He is optimistic about the nature of humanity; he simply thinks the world needs guidance, not deliverance or (to bring religion into the conversation briefly) judgment.
Why is your count stuck in 2? isn't that the counter for every victim of the deathnote or is it something else that I can't remember?
The kill sI agreed with =D
while the plan definitely was unneccesarily overcomplicated, it's point wasn't killing the agent but just acquire an asset (his name) for the next stage of the plan.
if mind serves, it's told in the anime that Light can't kill Raye just yet and it's quite obvious why: he now has shown the police and L that Kira can controll victims' actions right before their death, then all of a sudden some random drug addict who attacked civilians well... "lives?" only to die a while later and specifically kill an FBI agent (and let's be honest, if it would have happened, he'd likely be the only one fatally injured) who of course just so happened to investigate one of case's suspects.
yeah, sure, cool story... probability of this suspect being Kira just skyrockets to 99%
Yeah, it makes a lot more sense in episode 5 =)
22:12 are you becoming evil by watching the series? saying what you would had done instead... 🤣
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I hear you say repeatedly how morally abhorrent you think it would be to kill people with something like a death note, safe for very rare exceptions.
Do you think you would feel the same if you were an investigator for something like human trafficking, homicides or war crimes?
Well, those are the rare exceptions :D I think stopping people from killing (physically or mentally with grape or similar) is the only thing that I would argue for.
Not a spoiler: Unlike in the very idiotic 2017 Netflix adaptation, writing someone's name in the Death Note will not cause collateral victims.