125 Two-Stroke vs 450 Four-Stroke: What's Faster?
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2019
- You guys asked for it, so here it is! 2005 cr125 two-stroke vs 2019 crf450r works edition four-stroke. Let me know what comparison you guys want to see next.
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I think a better test is a 125cc vs 250 Four stroke, or a 250cc Two stroke vs 450
I wondered, most classes I've watched race its 250 vs 450, not one 125.
Why not 250 2 stroke vs 250 4 stroke....why do strokers always run against smaller 2 strokes??
@@Garminrules when 4 Strokers came into the scene in the early 2000's, the AMA rules were that up to a 450cc 4 stroke could race against the 250cc two strokes. Also up to a 250cc 4 stroke could race in the 125cc class... due to the 2 strokes having more power at the time.... AMA was trying to make it even.
Then the 2 stroke would win no question.
@@dinostudios6579 During the early 2000's that was the case! but now the 4 Strokes have evolved so much the 450 HP in now almost = 500 cc 2 Strokes
Yeah but the 125 whips were twice as filthy. So that's -10 seconds every lap.
Rohan Evans scrubs make u faster less air time/ wheels on the ground rippin. =faster lap with those scrubs my guy
@@michaelmorton6781 evidence?
This nigga rly not pulling the clutch in before his jumps i forgot that 1 time... Bikes engine staled... Nearly died lmao
gannet hacker must have a shitty bike
@@jmfdub you must be a shitty human
Next comparison: CR500AF VS RM50
Rm50 ftw
Lol
Lmao
Hayabusa vs piwi 80😎
@@GnarledBat47 pw
The CR125 sounds like a bunch of pissed-off bees! 😅
ikr it sounds awesome
Jeez, my 125 sounds like the 450 In the vid
Well at least is doesn't sound like it's shitting itself all over the track 😂
Trumpetboi49 you have a ttr125 don’t u
And imagine that...in 90s Motocross World championship..50 125cc bee starting...omfg.. I crying..
What people don't fully understand is how fast you actually are in person. You look fast on camera, but as a local who rides 74 and FTT fairly often, I can tell everyone watching videos that it still does not do you justice. Jeff is a wicked fast rider peeps! (and a cool dude too!)
Thanks man I appreciate that a lot!
I've rode dirtbikes for over 20 years and it's easy to see that Jeff kills it.. If you have spent much time on a bike it's easy to see how fast that dude is.. I bet its even easier in person!!
Seth Arnold he should be fast he’s a pro😂😂😂
@@kylestaalesen520 you must be fast before being a pro being called a pro doesn't make going that fast any easier
Seth Arnold that’s what I was thinking gotta get me another bike 😫
Man I swear you could just sneak under the factory Honda rig and everybody would think you're Cole Seely lol
this guy rides more wide open than seely tho...
They would wonder where the fuck 'cole' got all the speed from all of a sudden
@@BassMaann ooh that's so true shots fired
@@alexholmes8451 for real tho 🤣🤣
Because Cale Sealy is a spoiled brat. Who needs his ass kicked.
is anyone gonna talk about how smooth the camera makes all this look? Either that or this guy is landing jumps smooth as butter.
he is bro
I think it’s a combo of both 😂
i dont care what anyone says, ill always love the 2 bangers more. Grew up always had one, still got 2 love em.
Its 2 stroke not banger
chi chi it's a nick name stupid
@@stx.98_72 that's what we call em down here in Aus mate relax
2 smokers are definitely more fun to ride..especially when hitting the power band🚀
Agreed mate got a kx 85 bored out to 97 and a kdx 200 these are soo much more fun rebuilding constantly playing with the carb. Controlling the splurge
When she says shes home alone!
Double O Joe that deserves a like
Double O Joe fuck you
Yes.when she says she's home alone he continues to loop around dirt mounds. Seems legit
Too old
When she says you're the father brappppppp fuck no lol
A Jeff Walker notification is the best notification
This track gives all the advantage to the 450. Tighten it up ,a little more technical and watch that 125 shine.
weight and dimensions are practically same so not really
@@satanlucifer1003 but not the power 😂😂 And no. Weight isn’t the same ...
@@BaggelasTV sx125 has a bit under 40 hp. Sxf450 has 55-60 hp. sx125 weighs about 90kg and sxf450 around 100kg. The weight difference isn't very high, and the power difference is quite substantial, especially with the torque. So a 450 wins always.
@@satanlucifer1003 yeah. But didn’t in your previous comment say that they are practically the same?😂. When they really aren’t
@@BaggelasTV I meant that since the weight difference isn't astronomical, the 450 would still win even on a tighter track. OP said that a 125 would win on a tighter track, but I simply pointed out that the slight advantage wouldn't help enough.
Ah shit no way, I grew up right there in SWFL and low and behold I discovered this channel by chance a year after I moved away. Would've been dope to bump into you out there. Thanks for some random down home nostalgia man
That 1st whip was nuts
Definitely one of the best 125 riders I know so fast dude!🤘🏻🤘🏻
People say the 2 stroke is dead, but i think the fact that youre even comparing a 125 and a 450 is a testament to what theyre capable of. Stay badass and long live the 2 stroke! 🤘
Four stroke would woop the 2 stroke, no matter the cc's
@@Snas_Undertall Not really, more depends on the rider.
@@Loganon2wheels yeah, that's a major factor to. I ain't sayin 2 strokes ain't a good dirt bike, I'm just sayin I think 4 stroke is better
Ir ride 4 stroke and it's pretty fast
@@Snas_Undertall falseee
Quality and simplicity of this Video is unreal🤘🏼🤘🏼 love the stabilizer on the GoPro. Great content
By having this lack of power with the 125 and so this necessity of keeping a linear speed everywhere. You look like a thousand times more agressive and way faster going into turns. You really look like putting maximum effort on the 2stroke. While on the other hand with the 450, looks like you are searching to avoid putting yourself in the red physically and not putting yourself in danger because the horsepower will do the job while going out of the turns. Lemme know what do you think about my thoughts 😉 By the way, I really like your videos, all of em, you’re doing really simples, naturals and great videos. Keep it going mate !!
I think 125s can be insane around a track but with tons of power and displacement the 450 is just so much more forgiving. A 450 can make a slow rider look fast, 125 on the other hand you absolutely have to ride the piss out of and be perfect.
The 125 lets him ride full throttle through the whole track. The 450 could easily send him off the track he has to control the power.
It actually looked like you cornered better on the 125, i mean it looked faster
Alex Mountney I think it could have something to do with the sound making it feel faster because it sounds more rowdy
I think it was good first lap I felt like he could slip the clutch a little more on the first or second turn a little more but other than that that 125 is so much lighter its easier to throw around I love riding 2 strokes for that reason
the 125 didnt go so fast hence he didn t have to brake that much which makes look quicker and sketchy
Alex Mountney it’s lighter
Alex Mountney
it was faster...
just 7 sec gap with d 450 4t on d 125 2t thats a small gap...
if it was a 250 2t he might even do it in 1:16
😅
When it looks insane on video, you know it's absolutely insane in person.
0:31 mint cbr1000rr
🤣 nice spot
Love the detail!
Yea. Ur eyes are something else 🤣🤣
Nice bike
Dude, you are a MONSTER on that 125!! You absolutely kill those corners - such an impressive ride! That 125 was screaming the entire lap, total ear candy. You make it look so easy - wish I had your skills my man!!
The 4 strokes wind in a long distance the 2 stroke wins in a shorter distance basically the 2 stroke has more acceleration and the 4 stroke had more top speed
@Harry Peterson yes but she probably has experience or they are not trying because not everyone is going to a track to rip it maybe just for practise
@Harry Peterson yes but usually when ur older ur gonna start on a 250 or 450, they are probably learning aswell to race competitively or they are just having fun cuz I don't race I go riding in big trails
I’ve gotta say I love your vids and it brings back so many racing memories, thanks for the vid uploads 😎👍
I got captions on and whenever the bikes revs
It’s writes MUSIC or APPLAUSE haha couldn’t agree more 🤙🏼😛
can we get a vid of you ripping the 125 but not a helmet cam like someone video tapping you
Tapping lol
Both
@@colin9243 LOLOL
Can you even drive that fast while being tapped lol
Dude!!!! Those corners on the 125 though....... Absolute beast mode on the pipe in the corners.
well, actually they were almost the same. The angry sound of the 2 stroke gives you the illusion that it goes faster in the corners. But thats why internal combustion engines are great. THAT AWESOME SOUND
A dozen of potatos and a fat cat smelling them, he is 100% going faster, when he hits the power band its almost like a truck building boost
Josh Silloway you just think he‘s going faster because he is slower going into the corner with the 125...
Banoodel I didn’t say anything about the corner speed, I’m talking about the power band of 2 strokes, once they hit it it’s almost like a little hit of nitrous, 4 strokes have a night top speed but acceleration is a whole different story
@@joshsilloway5933 u have to pin 2 strokes while 4 strokes it has all that bottem end power
Why haven’t I discovered this channel until now!? Gotta support my moto dudes, subscribed!
Thanks man! Welcome to the channel
Dude ur insane. Awesome video and actually satisfying
Whoever gave this a thumbs down must ride quads or gay
Rks 25 quad riders are gay so same thing
Must be some immature kids who think they are the coolest in school cause they ride dirtbikes and like to put down quad riders... grow up, it doesnt matter what you ride.
King Kyle Must be some churchy that cant take a joke
@@boost219Riding a quad is the equivalent to doing hurdles in the special Olympics.
King Kyle's top speed is 29 mph. Also he is gay.
Dude so much fun going for an onboard ride with you... I literally dream of riding like that haha
yes!!!! me too man!!!! wish I was 10% as good I cant even jump the thing
holmesteadready YOU CAN DO IT MAN, EVERYTHING TAKES TIME BUT EVENTUALLY YOU WILL GET THERE
@@stanleykeisha7465 haha I wish, I'm too old .. no time, too unfit, crashing takes me out for too long now too 😢
I've been riding a Ninja 300 for not quite a year and have no prior motorcycle experience but wow. The only reason I know you're good is from reading comments but watching the video I was blown away. Thats some crazy skill and I can absolutely understand how much of a workout riding like that must be. Massive props from Canada dude keep it on two wheels!
I love how consistent you are
I loved the 2-stroke part. Reminds me of my hay days before I broke my back and had to give up the sport 11 years ago.
8:16 so low!!!!
Great video mate you rock
Love these vids
4:30 my man flew literally
Any plans on getting a CR 250 for a lap comparision?
Right cuz this video proves nothing.
The CR 250 wouldn’t win
Perhaps
@@micebohmiceboh8640 yes it would
Johnathan Henderson it proves that a 125 is 4 seconds slower then a 450
amazing video you guys.
Great video, man you are rippin it really good. Not halfassed, or halffast, full throttle double throw down awesome riding man. That Van you have must have some huge truck nuts on it for sure!
125 sounds faster #2stroke
. 4 stroke is better than a 2 stroke. The truth hurts
Wfo the whole time on the 125 but that 450 was yawning wondering if it was actually awake or just dreaming that it was at the track lol.
@@KODYN1NE nice joke grandpa
Ben MX so now we’re basing off what sounds faster rather than what’s actually faster lmfao #idiot
@Ben MX , well of course it sounds faster because he has to keep it pinned around the whole track to get close to what his time was on the 4 stroke
Jeff Walker. Any chance you can get your hands on to a Honda CR500 Steelie or a Honda CR500af.. Then compare those against your 450...
I would absolutely love to! If someone near me had one, I'd take it for a spin for sure
@@JeffWalker84 I am sure you would find one. If you looked hard enough. But, when you do. Please make sure it's not a 500 that us Clapped out..
Jeff Walker I have one but I’m located in Idaho
That's a given the cr500 will win
I took lap times at several nationals back in the 80s when they had all 3 classes the same day. The 500 class was slower than the 125s and 250s every time. The 450F is still going to be the fastest.
Your crazy fast on both bikes. Awesome video bro!
I can certainly see you in the big leagues of motocross, your flow is impeccable, and your whips are awesome, keep up the good work, and I hope you take this career further.
I love the 125, but a CR250 would be perfect for your skill and speed Jeff! However, can't beat the fun of a 125!
lmao it requires more skill to ride a 125 effectively than it does a 250
WARLORD yes it does. more clutch work on a 125. doesn't have the same torque a 250 does
Yeah, yah can beat the fun of the 125. It's called a 4 stroke
250f vs 450 would be also really interesting:D
250f and 125 2-t are similar power 250 have more mid and low end power while a 125 is top end all the way
@@beauclose2235 250f is faster than the 125. Question is by how much?
@@vincentsauer99 in my experience a 125 has a higher top speed but suffers on a tighter track on a more open track a 125 wins
@@beauclose2235 Never rode a 125 but technicaly the newer 250f has also more top end in raw HP.
With the 150 sx it maybe would come close.
In germany ur now allowed to race 250 2 strokes in the mx2 class. I think that sais alot.
@@vincentsauer99 yes, i Ride mx in germany and now i bought a 380 KTM 2stroke to Ride mx1
Just subscribed after watching this your a really good rider and hope you do more of these!😁
i wish i could drive my 450 like you do, absolutely killin it.
The weird looking jeep was for the swamp buggy races in Naples
HONDA POWER OF DREAMS 😍😍 love the vids bro 👌
Dude your ride like a fucking beast!! Those whips are sickkkkk! Thanks for sharing!!
Good video & nice riding mate!
Gee, I fell off 6 times during that video..totally awesome filming..
Do a 250 2 stroke lap time comparison
You dirtbike boys are crazy as! I gotta get one of those! That 125 looks like insane fun!
your guide is amazing!!
Man you shred!
Your so fast and so smooth!
Subscribed. You are FAST on that 125🤙
You guys Rip! Fun to watch.
The thing about 4 strokes is that you get ALL of the power, ALL the time. 2 strokes tend to have quick get up, but lack that bottom end power
Rocky Maher i got a 125 and you’re so right there’s barley any low end power i have to be pinning it in every gear
gojjjii get a 250 2 stroke problem solved, that’s what I did 😁
@@elimendelsohn8490 or just get a 250 4 stroke... they're just better. They sound better, require lower maintenance, and are way, way faster
@@Snas_Undertall sound is preference and the reason four strokes are cheaper to maintain is 2 strokes are high performance
@@sweetwolfasmraudio6726 whatever
Just imagine wiskey throttling on on of those thangs
That was some really clean ridding 👍🏻
Nice one Jeff 👍 love the 450 setup
I hurts my heart how many people have zero clue what a two stroke is and is about, but it feels good people who don't know are getting fascinated with them and sharing videos makes my think more R&D will be put back into them and bring back the popularity AND THE CHEEPNESS TO MAINTAIN THEM back.
I am a 4 stroke rider and I’ve always liked two strokes, what hurts my heart is that people just cant appreciate both the types of dirt bikes, in my honest opinion I prefer 4 strokes but 2 strokes will always have a place in my heart
2 stroke sounds like the mosquito that’s in your room in the summer for no reason
Or a zip tie lmao 🤣
Brilliant video. 👍✌️🏴🔥
Been a inspiration to keep riding dude thankyou. Keep that throttle turned. Braaaaap
God damn that 2 stroke sounds nice especially when hitting the powerband
You gotta work on the top end all the time you gotta mix the gas spark plugs always fouling out 4 strokes provide Actual smooth power and more comfort. 4 strokes are the way to go
Well, lets be honest, we are all riders. Don’t hate on 4 strokes when you ride 2 stroke. Don’t hate on 2 stroke when you ride 4 stroke. Create don’t hate!!
People are never going to understand two strokes are always going to be faster than four stroke but four strokes are always going to feel better and be better at trail riding then two strokes
@@selltheoneonofferup3768 dude are you ranting to me? Cuz nothing of what you said is anything smart 2 strokes are for balls to the walls rippin for real guys like me I have a banshee and 4 strokes are for low end woods rippin goofball
@@queasyislander0274 What are you talking about truth jokes are only for real man boy have you seen how fast those four strokes go
Hondas just look so damn good
Agreed
You’re insane great riding dude
Sick video!
125's rule on tight tracks. The open bike is faster on longer tracks. IMHO.
should of had a 250 vs 250 two strock battle
Dude is always smooth just steady rippin! ✊🏼
I very much enjoy watching the way you enter corners, something I struggle with progressing. How do you train yourself to corner with confidence the way you do? Can you make a corner 101 video? Thanks for the sweet vids
The 125 sounds like you're absolutely ripping all the time even if the lap times don't quite reflect it lol.
Oh he is lol. Hes running that thing wfo the whole time. Hence the exact same lap times ;)
The old cr 125 held it’s own !
It's a beast!
Dude, these laps with the 125... just out of this world, i loved it
Dude you were ripping that 125 like it was a toy. Nice runs!
like to see 450 vs 350 on that track
Yes this would be a great one!
Jeff would kill a 350 on his 450
@@noidontthinksolol haha... Well I still wanted to see as I think a 350 would be a good option for a 33 Yr old dad who does a little weekend warrior riding. A comparison with a 450 would be interesting to alot of C riders.
@@nickdefreitas got a 13 350xcf they are mean got bottom end torque like a 450 and good Rev like a 250
They are basically the same its just a 450 has alot more torque and bottom end than a 350 does. 450 makes alittle more horsepower but idk if its enough to matter.
Have any friends down that way with a modern 16+ KTM/Husky 125 you could borrow and lap time battle against the CR125? :P
@@noidontthinksolol exactly they are peices of overpriced garbage. 🤣🤮🤢
Ktms are shit, say goodbye to your triple clamp , huskys just blow up
Alexander Kretz anyone nit realize ktm are ahead they’ve had electric start and a hydro clutch for years so the money goes into research
KTM is the best for Enduro though.
@@LilasTools nah cr250's and cr500's are the kimg of enduro
Mate your a killer!, would love to see you ride out here in our manjimup 15 000 one year, g'day from an Aussie fan and keep up the great vids!
That whip in the beginning was soooo good
450 of course pulls the 125 on the straits, but after that it's pretty much down to the rider.
Why not do a 250 vs 450
Thats exactly the same between a 125 2 stroke vs 450
The low end carb issue only would of been noticed leaving the van... it was TAPED the whole time! Great video!!
Fast as hell, deserve more subs my dude
Thanks man, hopefully the subs will keep rolling in!
Will you once be able to ride a 500cc 2 stroke?
The fact they have to put a 125 against a 450 speeks volumes
Exactly. Now put him on a 250 2t with another 20 years developement and see what it would do against the heavier diesel...maybe pit a KTM 450f against a 300mx 2t. ;)
Meh. The 450 4 strokes were faster than the 500 2 strokes, hence they stopped making them. Its not about peak power, its about putting power to the ground. The new 2 strokes are a hoot, but you have to ride them flat out to get anywhere ( I ride enduros), but the four strokes, especially the big bores you can poke around in the mid range and still be as quick. Except through tight single trail. Having said that, I rode a kx 500 when I was about 16, couldnt keep the front end on the ground. Dunno whether I was excited or just shitting myself, and would have one in a heartbeat!
@@paythepiper6283 mate thats not what happened lol
@@billoddy1645 Um, yes it was. Lol. But I'd really like to hear what you think happened?
@@paythepiper6283 you want me to explain the history of motorcross? 250 2 stokes used to race 250 4 strokes but they would always get beat so they allowed upto 550cc for 4 stroke in the same catergory as 250 2 strokes which is why all the manufacturers said well ill just use a 4 stroke and make it quicker, hence why the boom in 4 stroke, so your wrong on why they stopped making them, and also your trying to tell me a 500 2t would get beat by a 450, you aint got a clue pal
This guy just floats, I love it. No violent landings, just soft floating.
I'd like to see a cr250r comparison! Sweet video bro!
should do a 250 2stroke vs 450 4stroke cuz they race in same category
Just the sound and the helmet cam video I would say the 125 smoker was faster.
I got tingly in my pants when you opened the van door. Awesome! What are the odds that you two are neighbors!?
Whoever was riding the 4 stroke in the beginning...what the hell?? You kept your feet on the pegs in every corner..even the ruts..conditions WERE perfect!! You are an incredible rider! I'm so jealous!! I have to say...after owning a couple bad ass Honda crf's I prefer riding 4 strokes, and like the sound of a 4 stroke way more. Sorry 2T fans...
I stopped the video before you finished the 2 stroke lap and I'm going to guess that..based on not having to scrub as much on the 2T, the 4T lap time was better...(a newer 450 vs 125 made that guess easier too)
Thank you for doing the video!
I NEVER knew u guys were at FGCU. I graduated there class of 2008 and did my MBA in 2009. I was a pro wakeboarder then, but now I just started getting into moto. Would be awesome to catch you down this way if you still are around.
4 stroke - less power, only gasoline, one oil for everything, more economic
2 stroke - more power, gasoline and oil mix, separated oil for gearbox, funny engine clang
Thanks
2 stroke breaks like 24 7 tho 😂
@@jordansoboleski3992 uhh i mean if you ride it hella hard yea then probably
@@jordansoboleski3992 not really though
@@x91s55 theyre still good dirt bikes i just ride hard asf😂
Really? 450 vs 125? not like you're stacking the deck or anything. If you want an actual challenge, maybe a 250 2-stroke vs the 450?
Was for fun and to see the difference and how large a gap between the two. They explain this in the video.
First of I really dig your channel and everything you are putting out. Very very cool stuff. And I must say your an incredible rider. Very fast. But the one thing I desperately want to see is a track comparison with lap times between a ktm 300 2-stroke and a 450 4-stroke. With both bikes I would hope to see the similar amount of mods. And both newer machines. This is one comparison that I've never seen and really want to see... can you make this happen...? I want to see at what point does a 2-stroke have as fast or faster lap times as a built 450 4-stroke. Please make this happen Jeff. Thanks for your effort and keep doing what your doing brother.
Finally!! A real test who put two different bike but not two different rider!!!! That what we want to see!killing it on the 2 stroke omg ahah