Experts say the auto tech industry is on the decline, we looked into why
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- "People are afraid to do it. They're afraid to jump in," Hill College student Trey Arhend said.
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It's because you get jackshit for hard work.
Thanks too Politician's.
Got my Associates in auto tech and couldn't find a job so ended up working in a warehouse for the same pay. Why blow your lower back out in a shop bay having to invest thousands more after education on tools when you can get the same pay for operating powered industrial equipment that only needs a highschool education?
@@el_deplorablede_tejas1394 esp in TX
right to work BS
It’s the pay bro. Ain’t nobody afraid.
EXACTLY
Dude really said they are afraid lol. These kids are smart. Here in California fast food makes 20 dollars an hour. Starting lube techs to get into the automotive industry starts at 16-17.
I was a BMW tech for 11 years. Don't do it, the dealership service structure is criminal for the techs and the customers.
I don't disagree, $200per labor hour and they pay the tech how much. Like 28~30 bucks/hr ?
Why don't more techs go solo?
Wages are low, and expectations are high. They want 2 years of experience, ASE certs with 50k worth of own tools for wages that they pay at McDonalds.
You may as well be working at Mac Donald’s
The biggest issue with pay is the flat rate pay system is severely outdated to say the least!
It should've been gone YEARS ago! Can't make no hours on "remove and replace" only! There are too many variables like diagnostic time, unplanned obstacles (broken bolts, rusted things, etc.) that are NOT in the mix! Only thing that kept most of us in the field was the fact that we really were into cars. I find the biggest differences were (for me at least) for example, the independent shop vs let's say municipal type of shop.
The latter, you get an straight up hourly pay for the most part little or no pressure to complete a job. Independent shop? Flat rate (most), hurry up pressure with higher possibility of a come back you ain't gonna get paid for. Ain't enough room here for my horror stories!
@@lou704 Own a shop!
But seriously folks, I wound up with 2 before retiring. Now, I turn wrenches for fun. At my leisure of course.
Why is there a shortage of _____? Because the pay is too low and working conditions are too poor.
And employers are not smart enough it figure it out.
investigate NADA. It is not fear. It is slave wages, and horrible working conditions
I know a lot of shops in deep south still do not have A/C, I am not talking about heavyduty
Work on cars in SUMMER during a heat. Open the hood on a car driving in straight of the street. Like an oven. Do brake work on TAXIS were the wheel nuts are TOO HOT to touch. HARSH WORKING CONDITIONS.
@@wingmantx same here in S Florida
Illegal price fixing occurs whenever two or more competitors agree to take actions to raise, lower, maintain, or stabilize the price of any product or service.
Directly from the horses mouth and an admission of guilt to criminally rigging their margins way the the fuck outside of any normal market ranges."If service and parts could generate sufficient gross
to cover all dealership expenses, every vehicle sale
would produce pure profit. NADA 20 Group guide-
lines, which include used-vehicle gross in the formula
below, recommend 100% absorption.If your absorption is low, examine your grossing pat-
terns. Service should be holding 72% of gross; parts
should be holding 38%, and body shop should be
holding 65% on labor, 30% on parts"
Shop rates have doubled. Wages barely budge.
So true, changing customers $200hr for labor and the mechanic busting their azz is getting probably $25-35hr SMH
Went to tech school. Got a Automotive Tech Degree. Worked at Cadillac Dealer for a year. Quit there and started working at Amazon warehouse making twice as much. Auto Techs are severely underpaid considering you going to school for two years for it. Just not worth it.
This is how the LEFTist Government set it up to be.
Same here. Got my AA in auto tech but didn't have the money for all the tools after college, ended up working a warehouse job that paid as much as what I saw auto techs offered. They want people to be able to diagnose complex issues of modern day systems and I can make the same putting up pallets of product in a warehouse on reach trucks.
If you don't get the money when you go through the door!! You will never get it!! This guy is full of shit!
He thinks he’s the big sht with his under armor polo 😂.
Wait until he can’t employ anyone but meth heads and he has to get on his knees to work himself
@@sean7134 big facts, then screw you royaly!!!! I figured out a long time ago, being a mechanic, fleet is the way to go
@@02maddman fleet and a union. or diesel work
@@KingJT80 facts
😂 the demand is growing because the pay has been stagnant for 30 + yrs. Thats what happens when you suppress wages. “ They want the money first 🤡 “ yeah if I got to bring $10k worth of tools to a job, I expect it to pay better than McDonalds. This industry brought this on itself, and I personally am going to enjoy just kicking back and watching it 🔥.
It's not wages that is the problem. It's the unfair times alloted for the job. It does a tech no good to be paid fifty bucks an hour if he's flagging 8 hours for a job that took 16-20 hours to complete. There's a certain procedure on a MachE that takes almost two days to complete and pays the tech 2.5 hours. Even at 100.00 dollars an hour, that is still only 250.00 ! And you know very well the dealer is not paying that tech 100.00 bucks an hour. In all the years I worked in a dealer, the biggest argument was always about how unfair the time to do a job was. The dealer I worked at put the heavy line techs on hourly wages. They had to, they were afraid of losing them. But you know not all dealers are going to do that because heavy line isn't the only problem area. One of the most ridiculous repairs I have ever seen is a tech replacing the evaporator case on a vehicle. The poor guy not only had to remove the center console, but he also had to remove the front doors so he could pull the dash. That was a warranty job, I doubt it even paid half the time it took to do it. And we were being paid thirty bucks an hour in them days. It's sad that a tech doesn't even make enough to buy a vehicle he's been trained to repair, and we're talking about $%#@! Fords.
They don't want you to fix cars. If it breaks, they want you to buy a new one. Gotta sell sell sell! Lower quality, shorter warranty, mass production vehicles rolling out with pre determined life spans. It's not about making a good product it's about making a profitable one.
@sean7134 I still made a decent living in 1999, I bought my home in 2000. Where I really noticed the down turn was in 2008. That's when my pay dropped 20k in two years. I found myself working even harder just to get back half of what I'd lost. I lost my job in 2014, and after a few years, I got back in at a Mazda dealer. On my first day, I knew I had to get out. My specialty was driveabilty with licenses to somg and repair emissions problems. I didn't even make half of what they said I would make. After almost two years, I left for a job with a DoD contractor. I make as much as I ever did in the auto industry, with 3 percent pay increases scheduled for each of the next three years. I receive 35 days off a year, and that doesn't include the month of PTO I've earned due to years worked with the company. I still work hard, but the stress of what the paycheck is going to look like is no longer there. Ford got themselves out of financial trouble back in those years, but part of it was on the backs of the techs. I don't know what they're going to do this time since they can't sell their EVs. How much more can they squeeze out of the techs with the warranty times they pay ? The local Ford dealer has more Lightnings than they do gasoline F150s. All that flooring.
@@Dollsofgod Thats why Tesla is taking market share. Theyre actually engineering product NOT to fail on purpose.
That dude has absolutely no idea wtf he's talking about. People aren't scared. They want to be paid a fair wage for their skilled work. I worked for one of the local dealerships for about a year and went back to delivering pizzas because it was better money.
He’s an owned wage slave. They control his life
Flat rate means somebody else decided what a fair time would be for a given Repair.
Usually around 50% of what it actually takes.
I can't tell you how many times I challenged the zone rep to bring in their guys and do said job in the alloted time, under normal shop conditions. I'm surprised they even kept a straight face !
There is a shortage because the pay is too low. If there isn't enough supply of techs at the current wage rate then shops need to pay more. This is basic econ.
Also, the working conditions are pretty bad. Techs spend 10s of thousands on tools. The shops do not have HVAC. Physically demanding. Etc. All easy things to fix, especially when the dealers charge 150-200 per hour.
Average pay for techs is like $24 an hour, but dealer charger $150+ an hour to customer
I have no interest in being a mechanic, but even I know they get paid like crap, it’s ridiculous
Make more money flipping burgers
I've been a tech for over 40 years. When I started, the top techs at a dealership made 100-120k per year. Average techs made 45-60k per year. Fast forward to present - top techs make 100-120k & average techs make 45-60k per year. There has been no actual increase in wages for automotive & diesel techs in 40 YEARS. I can mow yards for more $$$ than working in a shop (with all the certifications to keep up, thousands of trouble codes to decipher, thousands of multiplexed wires & data lines to pinpoint test, and twisting oneself into a pretzel to repair these EPA rule mutated Rube Goldberg nightmares they build now).
Only self employed techs make what we are worth.
The biggest problem is that they refuse to pay technicians what they are worth they are still trying to hire for substandard wages, a good a tech should make at least $100,000 a year not 50K
Because the pay is crap, the techs are treated like crap, benefits are crap if you even get any, working conditions are crap. But sales department is in A/C and gets to browse facebook all day.
30 years as a tradesman, and I would never tell any young person to risk their health in America! Insurance will not take care of you if anything happens. They will make you suffer.
Why would anyone want to bust their a $$ to take out a heater core and get paid 4 hours when it took 8. Then you have to provide all your tools. They make everything so complex and then dont pay you sh it to fix their over engineered crap with zero consideration on how to repair it when they designed it . That is the problem ! !
Gotta love those timing chain driven water pumps that are $2-3000 to replace
@@SAAN27or how about the ones on the BACK of the engine?!
Well said !
Plain and simple they pay a shit wage for very hard and at times complicated jobs. In this industry you bascially have to be a plumber,electrician and engineer when it comes to certain systems that your working on when it comes to todays vehicles and you have to have your own tools. Plus don't get me started on the crooked flatrate system. I repaired another techs comeback after the fact that when I diagnosed it and was told to go ahead and do the repairs did they tell me oh its under parts warranty cause so and so replaced those parts within the past year. I got paid 6.5 hours for what took me 14-16 hours had I known that it was a comeback I would of told the service writer to give it back to the same tech who did the repair but they waited til after I had it all apart to tell me it was gonna be under warranty. Its basically theft of wages the service writer and service manager gets a nice commission but the tech who does all the hard work gets screwed. Cant wait to leave as I'm currently looking to change careers. I used to be very passionate about cars and fixing and customizing them but have become so jaded by the industry and the poor conditions and treatment of us techs that it can all just go to hell.
its also making the cars harder to work on so they can charge you more: "that piece wasnt the problem but we had to remove it to get to the problem, but now we have to calibrate that piece".
its not being scared, i do my own engine swaps at home. its too much work for little money.
These Auto Tech wages are the same as they were in the 00's....20 years....In the late 80's it was 50/50 pay yet....."Nobody wants to work"....Yeah...Nobody wants to get exploited anymore with the "I love the cars" BS.
How about the last 60 years! That's how prehistoric the auto tech pay system is today. It hasn't kept up with the changes in technology.
Yeah we dont want to because the manufacturer makes it so hard to work on the vehicle in the first place leaving you no choice but to bring it to them and pay thousands
I worked at a Chevy dealer for three years starting as a lube tech. In that time, I saw the three most senior techs we had (these were guys with 25 years in the union) quit to go work high paying hourly jobs and escape the flat rate trap. That told me all I needed to know about the auto industry. I ended up jumping ship to work industrial maintenance because the money was better by orders of magnitude. Dealerships are so greedy and wasteful. The business model they have is simply not sustainable.
My father and grandfather spent their whole life in this trade. I’m glad to say that I did not follow in their footsteps. It’s tough work for shit pay and most shops want you to go to school and get ASE’s before applying plus you have to provide your own tools. It’s not that hard to understand why the younger generation isn’t choosing this field.
It’s because the pay isn’t very good
I would be afraid too if i saw a professor taking a pry bar to a CKP trigger wheel. 🤦🏻♂️🤣 every time I witness the staged incompetence I clutch my chest thinking, we are doomed.
He had to do something for the camera while shaming people more capable than him to fit the media narrative.😂
Right. I don't know why some of these people are called "techs". I always thought a technician was a person competent in their trade. Now it's anybody that can operate a power tool.
I died inside a little when I saw that too.
After Covid, people are to lazy to even mow their yard! The lack of initiative with people nowadays is unreal! The flat rate pay scam has been around for decades, only the mechanic trade does this nonsense! A carpenter in 2024 uses basically the same tools when Jesus Christ walked the earth, not so with the mechanic profession. Always go to night school learn different trades, diversify your skill set you will always find work! Work is there for people willing to do it, and that is the heart of the problem, everybody wants top pay for little to no experience! A "trade" takes years to master, todays young workers have to have everything now, right now! Held hostage by their cell phone!
I’ll never forget when my Science Teacher in High said “there is no future in mechanics”. That was 47 years ago.
It has been a great Career.
I will retire in 5-7 years.
$$$$ $235 an hour at the local Mercedes dealer!! They think we’re gonna work for $30sss😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly !
Why are engines becoming MORE complex? Why aren't they becoming simplified?
Why were they were more efficient 30 years ago? Answer me that
@@TheCreedBratton They weren't....
Cafe standards
Efficiency has not improved much since the 90s. Cars just got bigger and now the banks prevent the creation of small cars cause they want to sell the large car loans with the high APR. Back in the 90s civics were getting 50 plus mpg now any economy car struggles to get a 30 mpg.
Car standards AKA the banks 😆😆😆 @RacerX1971 thx my mind went blank on what I wanted to say.
My brother was a mechanic for 45 years. Seems the best thing to happen to him was to acquire a marketable specialty skill. He became a developmental vehicle instrumentation and testing specialist. He and a small crew working under him would install the sensors, electronic equipment and any weight specifications or special parts and go out on local road trips reading the vehicles numbers. He could diagnose if something in the equipment was hooked up wrong, and determine what problem was causing a vehicle not to perform right, just by reading the instrument output numbers. You have to have what my brother has though, intelligence, willingness to jump in and work hard, common sense, and critical thinking skills.
Year 1999 I debated apprenticeship program director about technician shortage explaining the shortage of skilled technicians was shortage of technicians willing to work for $16hr. In hindsight that wwas good money back in the day for a starter, but the situation is way worse today. Unfortunately, you need your experience and than start your own shop, even if its a one man/women show.
Yep the problem is everyone wants the big money without having to prove they are worth it. Its to todays society lets pay unskilled fast food works a lot of money because they cry about there low paying job that goes no where's and require almost no skill. Heck I know a lot of people that think there mechanics and they mess up more stuff than they fix.
Not working 40+ hrs for 9hr labor rates anymore. I quit in 2019 lucky. Never lookin back....
PAY dealers charge 150 to 200 for "labor" but then you get max of 30 an hour after years of experience and certs and cant get medical for youre broken body and still have to buy tools and a toolbox which can run 60k or more while the service advisors get 3x the pay and benefits included
Who wants to do this mentally and physically exhausting work for shrinking pay, high costs of self provided tools, and the parts industry that shovels garbage that they have to pay out of their own time often to fix comebacks caused by terrible parts quality control.
Yeah, no thanks. I'll be an electrician or plumber.
Pay a living wage that accounts for the high cost of investment they are required to do the work.
The thing I’m most afraid of is screwing up someone else’s car
Two words: Flat Rate. That's why the industry is dying. The structure is broken. Someone who pushes papers and stares at spreadsheets all day determines the average time it takes to do a job based on a differential between the most average person and the fastest person across the country. Never the slowest or most thorough. This results in a pace that most can't compete with. Add on top of that the amount of tools needed to complete the jobs and the average pay rate and you'll quickly see why someone wouldn't want to be an Automotive technician in today's day and age. Warranty SRTs are absolute trash. The industry expects technicians to be electricians, carpenters, engineers, painters, fabricators, plumbers, welders, failure analysts, warranty administrators, customer service representatives, emissions specialists, hvac technicians, legal representatives, etc... when in reality, straight away, someone could make more doing just one of those individual trades with less tools for more money.
That being said I've found my home as a master technician in the class 8 diesel world. I'll likely retire here.
Best reply so far. I couldnt agree more about adding so many rolls to the job.
I'll drink to that! Flat Rate sucks! Based on a system where you would actually remove a "serviceable part", repair OR rebuild it, then reinstall that same part back on the vehicle. THAT"S when flat rate worked. Enter the throw away parts of today, you only make "hours" if the part is buried in a mess! Still don't get anything for diagnostic time either.
So true ! Pay us half of shop rate and half of parts markup, then MAYBE we'll talk ! (No matter what it will be MUCH worse in years to come!)
@@TheJohnbjunior No question 'bout that! I must admit, the only thing that made up for it (considering hearing how much some people hate their jobs) was, I was doing something I enjoyed for a living. Then, if you were into it...........side jobs. That's about it.
That guy should not have been prying on that crankshaft reluctor wheel to turn the engine.
Stuff is impossible to fix, wages are low, and you have to buy all your own tools!
😂😂😂😂 0:18 true, it's fear, fear of not being able to pay my mortgage, the electric bill, and buy tools on top of that.
One would have to experience the automotive technician's work life to understand the painful frustration expressed by the auto techs commenting here. These people had compassion and commitment to their industry only to be treated like a flea-bitten junkyard dog. For anyone hoping conditions will change for the better; I hear you, but unfortunately, I ask you to not fool yourself. I spent my entire career in the automotive industry and also trying to be a reformer to improve working conditions, technician pay, and also for the deserved respect the trade should have. Nothing ever will change, let it all collapse as much as I care now. What you can look forward to is an unhealthy worn-out body, depression, surviving on a small savings, and social security. Most employers don't offer a 401k plan or heaven forbid a matching benefit. Your lucky if they offer some crappy healthcare participation benefits. Good luck trying to raise a family, your relationship failure potential is very high due to financial stress from inconsistent income and the strain of trying to keep up with life demands as your employer finds new ways to chisel away your earnings. The moral of this story is don't let your friends become automotive technicians.
Real talk. It's a damn shame! 😡
I'm an ASE master and I am homeless my last job paid $18 an hour and had me taking part in straight up fraud😢
In the business for 40 years now. I started out making little to money worked 2 jobs half the money earned went into buying tools for many years. Kept up with education and willing to keep up with the changes and in training when not at day job. I worked 80 hours most of my life for 35 years till going into business full-time but worked on the side for 20 years but never charged what should have been fair market charges. Lot of the issues is the pay and time involved with now more expensive equipment and cost in software and subscriptions eating back into the labor. I have quit working on everything and pick and choose the jobs that do not cost the shop buying more special tooling just to do a job that makes enough to break even with hanging another cabinet to put a specialty tool in.
It is good some mechanics quit because as they become harder to get they will have to pay more to get them. Supply and demand work the same anywhere. The dealerships will need to change how much they pay mechanics or they will not be in business.
Flat rate warranty and recall work plus the need for mechanics insurance and paying for our own tools is why i left the job.
Cops, firemen, and mechanics all get paid way too low for the sacrifice.
No shortage of mechanics. Its the electrical and computers systems in cars there is a shortage of interest in.
This is one of the main reasons I just went and bought a 2006 CRV with one of the best engines and transmissions ever so I won’t be stuck with a brand new car and a huge repair bill
Here is what I noticed also; sounds like the cars/vehicles are breaking down at a higher percentage than yrs ago. I'm talking in the past 20 yrs. I started driving in 1972 and you didn't hear of cars in need of repair like today unless you abused them.
Quality has gone down in cars/parts for sure !
The other thing. The mechanics were smarter back then. I took in an older car which turned out to be an ignition switch on the steering column. Mechanic thought it was one of the major mods under the hood. I told him to replace the switch because I could wiggle it and the car would shut down. Problem solved. I think they need all the electronic readouts to tell the parts changer what part to replace. Intuition and intelligence is gone now. But of course these delicate chips fail quite often. I'm hanging on to my old car!
People don't realize that a lot of modern cars have more than 30 computers to run all of the garbage they pack into them. If one has a problem, it can cause problems in multiple other modules. But to help figure it out you need a $10,000 scan tool and a ton of money wrapped up in repair information that the manufacturers try their hardest to keep from you - unless you want to pay them ridiculous prices the "rent" their software. Not to mention the way vehicles are put together mechanically. Rich engineers, poor component quality, expensive tools and crappy pay. High expectations and low compensation. I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to do this work, it's a joke!
I work as a tech and i get paid great. Cant say what company i work for. I know guys making 200k a year as one. Want to make the big bucks you gotta have the skill. Still even with that said its true. Ive left shops because they want 5 times the work put in with 1% of the pay back. Its a load of bullshit
I'm curious if you work on regular customer cars or exotic or fleet, in a big city or mid-sized city? I'm a software engineer working in Berkeley, CA but I do practically all work on my small "family fleet", which consists of 2 Hondas and 1 Toyota. My biggest job was the timing belt/water pump on my 2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid. It was both terrifying and exciting, but in the end wasn't the huge deal I made it out to be in my mind.
@@donaldlee6760 im a bodyman, left the mechanic side years ago
I was a dealer tech for 25 years and for the love of god do not get into this industry. These greedy owners and asshole managers will screw you over any chance they get. Manufactures warranty time will make you broke at the end of the day.
I have been a mechanic for over 40 years and i train young mechanics. Its not fear but but laziness. They dont want physically hard work to do. All mechanic or techinician jobs have low enterest because young people dont want to work that hard.
Yeah or they expected the scan tool to diag the problem for them!
Did your dictionary fail to include the word "incentives" there old timer?
Entry level techs get paid less than McDonald. You want to get more people into the industry? PAY MORE MONEY
OMG
Especially now that min. Wage in fast food, in CA, is $20 an hour😂😂
key word is entry level. You still have to prove your value to get paid. Everyone is always focused on the money kinda why the fast food workers there happy doing a mindless job as long as they make more money but they fail to realize that higher wage just makes everything else cost more. Plus what's there goal? move to to fry's? No its all supply and demand as the supply of good auto techs dwindles the pay will go up. But you still need the skills and yes you need tools.
@@jw6921 keep underpaying entry level techs and you'll run out of experienced techs soon enough. There are plenty of better paying easier jobs. Shops need to become more competitive for skilled employees.
All by design. Horrible management and pay in the industry.
A lot of the WORKSHOP'S are rude & expect you not to be PAYED if the work isn't there. Also UNPAID work when working back late. They should TREAT their workers better & give them some benefits like ACCESS to workshop when repairing own car. People leave when their not happy.
I’m currently a tech of 8 or ten year i rec any body tired to be auto mechanic. To do any other profession
Wanted to do Automotive. Was told by an old timer in 2000 to go Fleet Diesel. Been doing it 23 years. I love what I do. Make decent money. Work day shift. Weekends off. My work pays for my kids college. The thing that sucks. Because of the shortage. No matter what age you are. You do everything. Tires, brakes, dirty work. Back when I started. Old timers 45 and up did not do dirty work or they were Foreman or managers. It sucks being 49 and still on the floor. The people who suck get promoted. If you are a master in your field. You will never move up. I had to accept this fate. I do my job and go home.
😂😂😂 10lbs of chit in a 2lb bag with the worst pay scale of any skilled trade. Fun hobby, horrible job
Man, I remember 15+ years ago, fresh out of high school, listening to my friends talking about attending more schooling to become a tech. To get into working in a dealership, you need to have all the schooling and certifications along with doing difficult side jobs you've done that's car repair related. These dealerships made it this prestigious job to even be able to be an entry level tech to do oil changes. But many MANY years of screwing over techs has came back to bite them in the ass. Their pay has never changed and warranty work that only pays half, dealerships should've covered the other half. It WAS a decent trade to get into and I would've been a tech too. But it's a terrible trade nowadays where the job is hard, no one respects you and the pay is much lower than other trades like electrician or plumber. No one is afraid to enter the trade. Most people just hear from the experienced techs that it's a shitty trade so no one is signing up for school.
Luckily I know a few independent mechanics that charge cheap when you pay Cash. I will gladly pay for someone else to get the headaches and bust their knuckles fixing my sh!itboxes. I have seen another independent diesel mechanic be busy with work like oil changes, fixing leaking hub seals, diagnosing AC repairs on semi trucks and in 2 hours he made around $500.00, he also owns a tow truck for towing 18 wheelers. So there is money to be made, you will wear your body down though.
The Flat Rate pay system is making mechanics quit. Mechanics deserve good pay for what they do. They are getting screwed. We need good Mechanics desperately. Pay them.
Not for fast food wages plus manufacturers don’t want you work on cars they make everything disposable plus everything is going electric
And electric sucks. How can you replace broken parts they dont make anymore?
Its because you wear down your body for little pay
I wish someone would go on the news cast and tell the ENTIRE story.
Also techs in the wrong jobs and bad experience like working a cabin, dealer and independent makes up a lot of this. I used all to make steps to working for myself. The dealership makes the money and warranty time getting half the flate rate pay hour is worse. The dealership say has engine job that should take 10 hours and get paid 5 hours and dealer charges say 200.00 per hour and your flat rate pay is 25.00 you make 125.00 for what should have been 250.00 which should have been fair pay of 800.00 for the work in the beginning. Dealer on the other hand 10 hours charged for a 10 hour flat pay you make 250 while dealer makes 1750.00 off of your hard work and having to buy the major bulk of tools which can run 50000 to over 100000 and. We use to make 50% in the 80's and work was great now your not rewarded for the harder more complicated work that is now like working on a mad scientist design that is over complicated for a vehicle that a consumer can't afford to drive if major repairs are needed.
The way cars are over engineered these days who wants or needs the headache, a simple oil change on most cars these days you need a degree from MIT SMH 🤦😂
I would never work for a shop fixing cars. I only fix my own cars. corporate greed has ruined any work ethic.
its gotten so bad oil changes and inspections need to be scheduled weeks in advance. also the cars are becoming more computerized and cannot be fixed with simple hand tools anymore
schools/training+tools are expensive and the pay sucks
Its because of the pay. Either customers ain't payin enough for labor or because the people at the top hoggin all the money. Not to mention that you have to purchase your own tools most of the jobs. So whatever money you making.... Are you really making that money if you always gotta buy tools out of the money you make????
Plus the cost of tools you have to buy.
I was one of 12 to graduate out of 150 in 1998, and one of three to graduate early. If you want to find educated students looking to learn and work move to a red state with competent educators.
Auto repair shops straight up rip people off that's what people started working on their own cars and then the auto repair shop started ripping off the mechanic and then the mechanic realized he can make the same amount of money washing dishes at a nice restaurant😊
It's all pay it ain't worth even having your own shop
My boy prying on the crankshaft tone wheel like its nothin.
This gen don't like work😂😂😂
I love work and actually was really interested in automotive but watched my dad work the last 30 years in automotive being treated like shit and paid nowhere near what I think his labor is worth. I’m glad I chose HVAC. Trades are awesome but automotive has not kept up. They need to pay more if they want the younger generation to be interested.
@@justinwells8265 , good luck in HVAC..my neighbor has been doing that for 5 years and loves it, plus he makes good money
All these immigrants/illegals/newcomers will swallow all the low skill trades or jobs, get a trade that requires a state license or specialized training, its coming, thanks Dementia Joe!
"because they want the money first"? 2:14 Nothing to do with shortage of mechanics. The industry has been bleeding mechanics dry by making them pay for their own tools costing thousands of dollars on paychecks that only an idiot will choose to wake up everyday to embrace as a career. An auto mechanics career is dead as a door nail because that's what the compensation package is worth. There is an air of disrespect for auto mechanics that permeates the industry, mechanics can make more money fixing cars in front of a camera and posting it on RUclips.
While I can understand the lack of young people signing up to become mechanics. Some might be pay but that is only because everyone thinks they deserve top dollar without having to prove themselves or do any work. the other is just lack of knowledge and critical thinking.
I also look at todays vehicles as a big part of the issue with keeping good tech's on. Todays vehicles are basically throw away vehicles. Not meant to be worked on. The engineers that design these thing have no idea what it takes to do the work you can tell by there designs. they don't even take into account where they put the oil filter that you cant get to without removing something or having to turn it up side down to remove from the chassis. Then you get into the electronics they use today everything hooked to everything else makes zero sense. I see it quite often the older mechanics leave because the new stuff just is a PITA to work on anymore plus certain vehicles are so problem prone and labor intensive to work on they are not worth the effort. Most swap over to heavy equipment
Flat rate wages work well for good tech's as you can make way more than a hourly guy. They key word there is Good Tech. Yes once in awhile you get a job that is a bigger issue than time allots for but many times the good tech can do the job way faster than is allotted. I know many techs that make $100K+ and yes there are shops that they wont work for because of pay it just stands to reason supply and demand if the shops need workers sooner or later they will pay.
There is a simple solution to fix it but it’s the solution no one wants to really talk about, fix the average pay to reflect the times and technology. Mechanics are essentially still getting paid what they were getting in the 90s. I love how this industry dances around that topic. I don’t care you have a top tech who can make 100k a year. Show the average pay in your shop. That’s where the real story is . Don’t even get me started on the red tape OSHA puts on shops. Corporate warranty policies and shop politics is another killer. Who wants to start in an industry with all this stress and wear and tear on your body for the same pay as a fast food worker? Those are some stories worth doing investigative journalism on news 25- investigate what is choking the life out of the automotive repair workers. The pay sucks, the benefits generally suck, your retirement party is getting carted out on a gurney dead because the job will kill you before you can cash in that 401k if it’s even offered. Why would anyone want this job? If you are smart enough to work on todays cars you are smart enough to work in literally any industry and our youth are starting to wise up and figure that out. I can’t blame them one bit.
Any parents or young kids watchning this... media, govt, coperate & small shop owners crying for employees are full of sh**.
What you get paid when you start in this industry.. as lube tech is gonna be pretty much same even you become a licensed master tech . you gotta be soo lucky and skilled like tony stark if it doubles in 10+years..
Its not necessarly underpaying customers, but manufactures are trying to cut quality, assembly time, design to achieve maximum profit.
This reporter sure has a way of making her name sound short.
I wasted 8 years of my life working for a chain mechanic shop spent well over 10k on personal tools and never made close to 80k a year its a scam of a job dont do it kids need to study something else because this job is not a career especially if McDonald's pays you more to push a button.
Please stay out of this business the business will not pay just don't work as a technician
The auto mechanics are going to motorcycle mechanics institute. Everybody’s buying motorcycles. The gas prices are so high that a car is a useless piece of shit.😮
These experts are Idiots, Flat rate pay has killed any new prospects of coming into this field, then its the financial headache of tools buying and specialty tools needed, its also back breaking work. The pay sucks for the investment you put into it, as a recruiter for mechanics I have found that a lots of high schools that teach auto mechanics , most of the students only wanted to know how to repair their cars, not work as a mechanic. The day when mechanics were considered grease monkeys were over a long time ago. Today you need advance trouble shooting skills to do anything on a car, or serious damage can occur.
PLZ, go online and see the nightmare people are having with car repairs. It makes me sick of all the talk about mechanic shortages when they have created the problem with low pay and no incentives help young men into a challenging career field. and they say young people are afraid to jump in and do it, those jackasses , the young people know better.
Not to worry, our country will bring in people who don't read or write English to repair
$ 100,000 cars, Good luck fellow Americans
No secret at all...lol experts? Maake sure the techs are the only experts. I did flat rate for a few years. The books are whacked. And the slavedriving of the low/middle management......i wrench only for myself now. Friends and family on occasion. It's hard to return from burnout stage.
Two people I'm scared of dentist and mechanics lmfao they're crooks
FLAT. RATE. PAY.
It’s not fear the trade has been known for the majority of shops and reality. The pay sucks.
In the majority of the shops, the way the bonus system is set up then incentive system. The flat rate hourly is all geared against the technician. .
This has become one of the most horrible trades to work in unless you’re at a slam Bam high volume flat rate quality is definitely not job one .