@@squashua7222 *125 gens; in the main game the ratio is 5 gens to do to 4 survivors even using this mode's ratio of 8 gens for 8 survivors (1:1), there should be 100 gens to do (1:2 would go crazy fast) Also: shouldn't there be 25 kiIIers?
It’s because there’s no perks to worry about. The abilities are set, and you know what to expect. You don’t have to worry if someone has Unbreakable or Deliverance or Devour Hope or whatever. There’s just less BS. That’s why it’s fun.
You make a valid point. Plus, I like the idea of stomping on the downed victim and teleporting them to a cage. It adds a level of convenience in exchange for more chaos which I'm okay with
Yes. That is the essence of it. And the cages, correct the design flaw that allowed people to camp hooks, as an ez grind method. Ruining the game for everyone else.
Even if there was bs the most important thing that stops it from being stressful is there’s so many survivors you have less tunneling and camping and theres more killers so you don’t have to stress as much about hey oh shit meg is speed running gens and I’m still not getting a down. Not being the only person to worry about frees up
2v8 is also a great way for new players to enjoy the game, there's no esoteric perk knowledge needed or DLCs needed to play. You just drop in with preset classes or the free killers
In my opinion, there has been a trend in online video games where most gamemodes are heavily displayed as "competitive" modes, dead by daylight and many other games are in desperate need of a casual gamemode
it's funny because DBD is one of the LEAST competitive multiplayer games I know of. MMR is invisible, rank is invisible and mostly just tracks time played, there's no way to see your match history without manually doing it yourself and overall very little in-game incentive to win beyond a small % of tome challenges, and adept achievements. And yet we all get so stressed over the outcome of each match!
@@FredCyber Its stressful because there IS MMR and invisible MMR doesn't mean NO MMR. 2v8 has NO MMR so its less stressful. Most people I see in DbD are using META builds but thats.... NOT competitive?
@@derrian6969 Pretty much every game has MMR even in their casual gamemodes. You need a skill metric to use for matchmaking because most people dont find wild skill imbalances in matches of anything fun. DbD happens to have one of the most obsessed communities with it for various reasons. 2v8 doesn't affect/doesnt have MMR because it uses 1v4 MMR to matchmake you as Scott mentioned
@@derrian6969 thing is, if the MMR is invisible why does it matter what it is? You have no incentive to have high MMR and you'll never be able to know what it is beyond "I am not at a rank where new players play".
"If you don't like 2v8 just pkay the main game" My brother in Christ I can't find a game outside of 2v8. Queuing killer right now is basically just playing a different game while you wait for 30 minutes. My switch has seen this much use in years
@@tylergreene8018 Oh I dont play dbd on the switch, Im playing random games on my switch while in queue. Used to play on Switch tho so I really feel for people who use it as their main console
for me its the lack of tunnelling that makes it so much more fun. I actually played a regular match the other day. Someone was tunnelled out at 4 gens, then another person suicides on hook. Immediately went back to 2v8.
Bro good killers can tunnel in 2 v 8 . Its actually super easy . Good nurse puts pressure and downs wraith can go right to the unhook and tunnel that dude out . And you havnt went against the god tier nurse huntress combo yet that just goes for slugs all game . God bless
@@jilujoilujiut2165even in situations like that it just doesn’t feel the same. Its more impressive downing 8 people then hey you downed and tunneled one person out of the match the entire match. If you wanna tunnel super hard your throwing extra hard
Oh god yeah, my friend and I went back to regular dbd because of rift challenges and every match was just awful. All the miserable people that didn't want to play 2v8 stayed in 1v4 to keep playing like the average Dbag. Mind you we're just playing normally and for rift challenges, not doing anything dumb, not hindering our team, not giving the killers a reason to be toxic and yet they were all extremely so. Had a pig with the annoying scream build and she kept slugging my friend for no reason until she almost bled after she killed the other two. Dry humping her on the ground and leaving her for 'bait' even though she knew where I was because of her build and she wouldn't come for me. Also had a pyramid head that hard proxy'd/tunneled on Lampkin.
I totally adore 2v8. Haven't had this much fun in a game in so long. Finally feels like a wild party game. Plenty of looping on both sides, much less pressure, AND I love seeing all of the fun and cute cosmetic combos people come up with. 😊
I do have one complaint about 2v8 and its a pretty obvious one. Having only played survivor (as all my friends are insane and only want to play survivor), there needs to be more killers man. Like I don't want to call it "frustrating" but its really tiring to go against nurse like 10 games in a row. Most of those games being Nurse/Huntress, so you just see on the side "revealed" and now you have a Nurse blinking straight at you. Game mode is fun, but until they add more variety, man does the survivor side get stale really quickly.
I'm actually surprised, I have only played killer and have yet to get a nurse as my partner. It's mostly wraiths(I mainly play trapper), but I have seen a large amount of huntress. I have also yet to have a Billy teammate lol.
They should also add a rotation of dlc characters to every rank reset so they can balance it around while still being fresh while also letting people without dlc play those killers.
Something very similar happened in League when they introduced a game mode called URF (Ultra Rapid Fire) in which all cooldowns are shorter and no mana costs, which led to super fast and chaotic gameplay, the devs realized that after it ended, they would always lose players. It seemed that after such rapid and fun gameplay a lot of players didn't like the normal mode anymore and stopped playing, similar thing might happen for DBD.
This is exactly what BHVR should avoid. Riot made it their mission (to this day!) to not satisfy the people that wanted to play URF over the normal gamemode (Which was mostly veterans burned out on the normal game). I do have to set the record straight. The lost player things is highly questionable. They refused to show any kinds of stats to back that up where they excluded other reasons people stopped playing, such as them messing up massively and not bringing the mode back for another full year, nor as a permanent queue, nor custom games, nor improving the main game so it satisfied more players. And then the year after they actually refused to bring it back another time until they probably lost even more players.
2v8 is reminiscent of the times where multiplayer games gave both sides extremely over powered resources. Survivors have 30 pallets and god tier loops, killers have enhanced power and can double team survivors. Both sides get to have fun.
Imagine if a game like Team Fortress 2 only had one gamemode like capture the flag and nothing else, then, one day, Valve finally released a new gamemode, say payload or something. It's the fact that DBD has had one singular gamemode for nearly 10 years that makes people wanna do nothing but play it. These gamemodes should really just coexist with eachother imo instead of being a limited time thing
If gamemodes coexisted then you'd get a repeat of L4D2 mutation situation. Mutations used to cycle weekly and as a result queue times for them were usually quick. However, at a point all mutations were available at the same time. This literally killed all mutations other than ones like Tank Run. I think dbd would benefit from a weekly/biweekly randomized cycle.
you dont take BHVRs monetizing system into account rn anyone can play 2v8 regardless of experience, grind and DLC ownage if ranked 4v1 was the only mode you need to grind and pay for do you believe pretty much everyone would still put money into it on a regular basis or are you not delulu why would they shoot their own foot like this they wont
@@whiterabbit4945but if 2v8 is a thing not only does this attract more players it has those players inviting their friends to get the game which means more players are active and that means probably more cosmetics bought
2:20 I think it's also worth pointing out that even with how popular Chaos Shuffle was, it still only required 5 people to get one match going. 2v8 just by the nature of how it works requires double the normal amount of players to get one match going, on top of seemingly being more popular. I think this also contributes to the normal queues struggling right now.
It's all ratio. Doesn't matter how many people are queueing for the game. It's the ratio that matters. You can have 8 survivors and 4 killers waiting for a match or you can have 800 survivors and 400 killers. The ratio is the same.
@@Barec76 that ratio argument only works if dbd had an infinite or at very least let's say counterstrike amount of people playing (1,2 mil + peak on steam). the DBD userbase has around 100-125k counting all systems (consoles+steam+xbox) at the peak hours "going through" that playerbase twice as quick will 100% affect the queue times together with all the other factors, especially MMR & MMR pools
@iFerrex MMR is quickly disregarded. If the ratio is good, matches are quick. The ratio is bad. Killers love 2v8, I know I main killer. It's ratio not numbers.
I think its more popular with killers . But most survivors i know preferred chaos shuffle . Its just dbd with random perks which is fun because nobody could just go in there with there i gotta win build .
My friends who have no interest in dbd have picked it up. The amount of people tjat have been shooting the player count through the roof is gonna make it a staple
I think a part of it also helps that you don't need to go through 200 perks every time someone does an action and you don't have to deal with really strong medkits/toolboxes/addons. The game feels a lot less like "oh I got 3 ppl injured going into endgame", nope they all had Adrenaline and you're screwed, or you unhook a Survivor and oops the Wraith is there because he didn't bring aura reading so instead goes back to the hook each time.
You mentioned the idea of priority passes. And while on paper, that's a good idea. It will be abused. Saw it in overwatch. Say there's a priority pass queue for survivor. They'll Q up, and then just die on first hook. Or if it's like, you have to escape to get the pass. Survivors will just hardcore hide and not save anybody in hopes they get a hatch escape. It will just create a really unfun gameplay. I don't think they could go that route ever.
You can't die on first hook in 2v8. There's no way to kill yourself on hook. You have to at least wait for second hook to miss skill checks. Why do you think people have actually been able to play full matches without someone killing themselves on hook?
Possibly a priority pass based on how much you did in the certain roles. Doing an amount of gens with guide, chase time with chaser, reveal time with scout and amount of heals with medic
@@ScottJund Instead of the priority pass system maybe they could do a system where there are 3 queue types: survivor, killer and the "quick blender." In the quick blender mode you don't know what role you're going to get. The mode assumes people want to play killer more than survivor. When playing as survivor, players are earning their way to the next killer match. Their score would be based on emblems, and once they got enough "emblem credit" as survivor they'd get queued up as killer. Those with the most emblem credit would be the priority queue for killers. Only solos and duos could queue up for the quick blender.
I played NOTHING but Chaos Shuffle when it was out. It was fun and most importantly - everyone were on equal terms with no meta in sight. The amount of useless Lyra twins perks I used to get made my eye twitch tho
I enjoy the lack of perks. Suddenly I don't have to stress over the possibility that a survivor has one of like 7 possible perks. Like, no dead hard, no gen rush, no flashbang, nothing. It's so much less stressful.
2V8 hilariously showed everyone how much of a f*cking clown fiesta the main game actually is. 😂 Normal DBD is often much too asymmetrical for it’s own good. You queue into a match with your perks and builds thinking you’re gonna be able to use all of it and find some fun synergies then end up getting pooped on and receiving little to no value or having very little fun in the process, whether it be due to bugs, other players, or the game itself. 2V8 at the VERY LEAST puts everyone on a leveled playing field that isn’t just a simulated guessing game that robs you of your agency.
@@professoremilexactly. Some builds can be objectively really good, but depending on the match, that same build can either turn into a useless build or a mediocre build
2v8 also fixes problems with certain killer types. Trapper in this is a support killer and honestly feels made for this mode more than 1v4. I bet Clown will also fit into this mode as a support killer better than as a solo killer
@@AirLight1646 He's really good against really bad survivors. He still doesn't have many traps relative to map size and pallet counts. I just loop were I know for certain Trapper never has been and the other killer can't down me easily.
@@derrian6969 he’s a defensive killer. He really excels at defending a 6 gen and shutting down any pallets around the area. Pallets run out much faster when there 8-12 of them are trapped in the area with gens near them
The worst part abt 2v8 survivor is that it feels your contributions matter so little. You can loop one of the killers for 2 minutes or do 3 gens and its not gonna matter because timmies will get downed by the other killer in less than 10 seconds
Yes, 2v8 rewards individual skill/experience considerably less than 1v4 at the "benefit" of reducing "stress" and expectations from your teammates, which explains the popularity of this mode with the average DBD player.
can you pls say what exactly is fun in 2v8? I find it super chaotic. The only good thing about it is playing duo killer. Getting double teamed with constant aura reading both sides doesnt bring me personally any joy
@@Qeseu Me and my friend both play quite sweaty in 2v8, it brings me and him a lot of fun as killer; I cannot for the life of me see how fun that would be on the other side. Not everyone is playing like me and him, but some thing's are universal, like the constant aura reading or near constant gen kicking.
"I find it super chaotic" yes. That's what makes it fun. 1v4 is just autopilot for me as survivor. And killer is just too stressful when you're anybody but nurse, SM or knight@@Qeseu
Ive had a couple games that drug out a long time. Killers too afraid of the hatch to lose so they kept trying to get the final 3 without one dying. Made the match like 30 mintues lol
i think one of the things that makes 2v8 better is the perks or lack there of. people arent worried about making the sweatiest most meta-iest build they can make and they're just having fun instead. While im a person who loves making builds and combining perks, theres just too many at this point. perks are why its so hard to balance the game currently. theres like over 200 perks and the game needs balanced around them. like how many perks are borderline useless while others are super strong? how many times have certain perks been reworked or nerfed because 1 or 2 killers can exploit them? you have to wonder how much dev time is wasted balancing around perks
Yep that's another huge bonus for me. There's no rolling of eyes because the other side decided to bring some tedious or overused build that makes the match an unfun slog. And frankly at this stage I can't remember what all the bloody perks do :).
I believe the main reason that is so fun and refreshing and I truly love this mode is that you go against base game killers that you haven’t seen in a long while due to mass popularity of Skull Merchants, Blights, Unknowns and Chucky killers with Gen Stalling meta perks that we can all appreciate the chase you go against a lot more in 2v8
i feel like bhvr could turn the game into, Default mode is active at all times (4v1), and every month it has a 2nd mode active that rotates with others and is more fun focused rather than competitive focused
They've literally been doing this. The last one was chaos shuffle and before that my little oni. The only difference is that more work was put into 2v8 since they plan it to be a permanent mode in the future
6:45 I think the easiest and simplest way to fix this problem is to just make 2v8 a permanent mode. Then the 60% get what they want and the 40% still have what they want. It's also incredibly eye-opening and downright shocking how 2v8 seems to unintentionally solve almost every long-running problem in dbd. It's crazy. Here's a short list. -Tunneling, having the cages move makes it harder to tunnel off hook, and having 8 players means tunneling one of them out is way less advantageous. -Camping, can't camp if the cage moves, limiting killers to proxy camp, which is less effective overall with 8 players, on top of proxy camping being less good compared to normal camping. So it effectively fixed two of, if not the biggest, problems in dbd, practically overnight and with no effort. 2v8 never intended to fix anything, but somehow tackled and defeated two of dbd's biggest issues. It's wild! -Stress on both sides, much less stressful as killer with a friend, and just way more fun, to be honest. And it's way less stressful as surv with 7 other people pulling for you. It makes the game go from this sweaty solo comp feeling to cracking open a cold one and just playing some games with my buddies. I've had friends who hated playing killer because of it being too comp/sweaty/stressful try this mode and love playing killer. I've had friends who don't even like dbd try surv with 7 other people and love it cause now if they suck and die it doesn't get them flamed in the endgame chat for turning the game into a 3v1. -Overpowered perks/builds, the class system takes a big shit all over BHVR's biggest concern every patch, which is perk balance and over usage of certain perks. The class system gets rid of all that. 2v8, coming through again, seemingly balanced the whole game, again, overnight. And again, this is just a short list of some of the more major issues. It's not even mentioning some of the smaller known issues like dbd being pay to win, because you need to get all the perks and killers to compete or stuff like having to grind the bloodweb effectively being gone because of 2v8. 2v8 doesn't require you to go to the bloodweb at all if you don't want to. 2v8, honestly, feels like what the game should have been all along. I haven't played dbd this much in months and after 2v8 is gone, I expect to go back to that. I think after seeing 2v8 in action and what it has done and what it can do, I think BHVR need to sit down and have a very serious meeting about the mode.
A point I want to add in regards to the effectively no mmr system for this gamemode is that playing good feels very rewarding (for example hitting an amazing curve on billy or running one of the killers for a minute plus) but playing good doesn't feel "necessary". In regular DBD it can feel like "I HAVE to play well or else I'm screwed" which is not as present in 2v8 and that personally has really felt enjoyable
One of the big reasons its less stressful is because when you have 8 players on your team, your individual performance is less impactful on the outcome of the game than when you're 1 of 4 players on a team. This is why in TF2, with 16 players per team, you can have one or two players completely goofing off and still have a good chance of your team winning any game mode.
One of my issues for 2v8 is that I genuinely think there's an absurd amount of aura reading. Trying to sneak off and recover is damn near impossible half the time survivor side. Scouts casually delivering aura reading on the killers. Gens popping and revealing you. A gen is kicked and you're revealed. There's so much that it generally removes the concept of stealth which is a bit annoying. There's a reason why survivor has such a big bonus still and I genuinely think the aura reading is a part of it.
Yeah, I laughed when he said that the only problem was that Runner is a bit too strong. Maybe it is, but there is no way you can nerf survivor in 2v8 without tweaking the absurd amount of aura reading killers get just for breathing.
@@Ghangis24 Giving the killers a whispers ability instead of aura reading would be a nice change. Lets them not waste time while also giving the survivor a chance to hide.
Stealth is one of the WORST things about DBD. Hiding rats is the least fun thing survivors can possibly be. Aura reading promotes chases so go enjoy the chases and chaos of it all.
@@thedoomslayer5863 When you're injured and want to slip away to heal up just to get revealed? Trying to mind game in a chase just for a reveal? There's times that aren't just fully hiding away all the time where the sheer amount of aura reveal is frustrating. I also acknowledge that this isn't a popular opinion but I'm one of the few survivors that really enjoys the stealth aspect of the game because taking considered movements and reading where the killer would look to avoid being spotted in the first place is my favorite thing. I also have some enjoyment in the searching as killer too but I acknowledge that fully as my minority opinion.
@@coolpizzacook At least you can look beyond yourself to see the majority hate the rat playstyle. Good on you. As for the first part of your comment, think of it more as what it is, a chaotic fun party mode. If your aura gets revealed mid chase leading to you getting downed so what. There's 7 other people to take aggro and killers dont know where you got uncaged from. Some dumb moments are bound to happen but thats the nature of the mode and why most like it. Know that either side has their spam of aura reading and take a step back and enjoy it casually. You'll ruin the mode for yourself if you take it too seriously and try to think of it in a "comp" mindset.
I've been playing since there were only 3 killers in the game, and all I can say is: *THIS IS THE BEST VERSION OF DEAD BY DAYLIGHT FOR TOO MANY REASONS* They'd be foolish to not make it a permanent mode in the future. The day of 2v8 release, Dead by Daylight almost beat its peak player count on Steam.
I think the 2v8 problem is a bit heavier too. It's *so* good, that it's actually driving people to play DbD less, since the queue times are so unbareable. I enjoy it a lot, but none of my mains are available in 2v8 (Hag, Twins), so when I do want to play regular 1v4, I'm struck with the same 30+ min queue... so I just don't play for the day. What a crazy novel problem BHVR find itself in.
Dude i would prefer to play 1 v 4 i actually dont like 2 v 8 . But there incentivizing all survivors to play it with the 400 percent . I can guarantee you i would not be playing that mode without the bonus blood points . 100k a game is to hard to pass up
Scott completely misunderstands what's going on here, I suppose he's letting his own bias cloud the reality. As he said, survivor queue times are instant. This does not simply mean "because this mode is more popular". Because 2v8 has the same ratio of killers to survivors, instant survivor queues show that people are not nearly as interested in playing as survivor in this mode. THAT'S the problem. Scott says he likes survivor in this mode more, but that is NOT the average opinion. Without carrying, survivors have less to do (no offensive play to save others, no palleting while pick up, no flashlighting, no bodyblocking, etc), there's not as much feeling of accomplishment when you run a killer, and without perks, there is less room for customization and variety. Killers lacking perks doesn't hurt as much because they have the new mechanic of working together, but survivors have no new mechanic -- only less. Once I finished the 2v8 tomb, I was completely uninterested in playing as survivor in 2v8, because there's barely a new experience to be had. I had fun with killer in 2v8 like everyone else has, but once completing the tomb, I personally don't find the queue time to be worth the wait. I'm glad this mode is going offline in a week, and I'm glad Behavior is going to work on it. I look forward to more killers and to see the tweaks they're going to make -- but the elephant in the room is that Behavior is going to have to figure out is how to make playing survivor more fun in 2v8. You can't remove mechanics from a role that already leans toward repetitive, without adding anything new for that role.
Stick gen, killer chases you off of it, you get to a pallet, they drop chase and go after someone else. If you’re lucky you’ll have a killer stick chase with you and you get to actually play the game. That repeats until you die or live.
I said the mode is more popular because the ORIGINAL game queue times are also significantly worse. Every other alternative game mode we had did not have this issue, thus its a logical conclusion that more people are playing 2v8 overall, even with the obvious killer imbalance. Killer queues are like 5x as long in 1v4 as well, which does not agree with your claim. If it were true, killer queues would be instant in 1v4 because no killer wants to play that mode when 2v8 exists. Obviously I don't have the data but what other conclusion could I come to with the queue times? You are also basing your "average opinion" off of what? I at the very least polled Twitter, where is your data from?
Fully agree. Survivor isn't fun to me so I only play when friends ask me to, I've basically dropped the game altogether because I don't want 15min queues for 2v8 killers and 1v4 doesnt seem to have many games currently going either. I'm curious if this is either killer bias or just dbd burnout that I haven't reached yet with my measly 250h. For years I've always thought the general opinion was "chase is the most fun", well have fun being tag-teamed by a nurse huntress duo I guess.
2v8 is fun because in the normal 1v4 dbd, it’s been powercreeped so much that doing anything outside of the objective is considered a throw. It’s either just gen rushing as survivor or camp/ tunnel as killer, so it’s not as fun for either side. 2v8 removes a bunch of the bs that 1v4 had like some of the perks, gen rush and camp play styles
What I don't get is why they don't let us 2v8 in customs. It is so fun I wouldn't mind playing without gaining bp. Hell, imagine if they did a rotating event thing. Something like 2 weeks chaos shuffle, 2 weeks 2v8, 2 weeks whatever, but let us play these any time in custom. Not only would it keep the game modes fresh/exciting for live servers but would keep people that just want to play with friends happy.
As fun as 2v8 is i just can't wait for it to leave. Having 10+ minues queue on both 1v4 and 2v8 is horrendous. Killer needs a flex option for 2v8 asap .
I cant wait for 2v8 to end even though i do love it. I cant even get into a regular killer game within 10 minutes, and im not playing 2v8 killer because im not waiting 20 minutes to play a 5 minute game. had to take a break from dbd until its over sadly
I think this game mode is really healthy for the game. One more point in my opinion is, that trolls have it way harder now. In a normal game, when you have one guy trolling as survivor, the match is basically lost. In 2v8 this one guy is just dying quickly and the game is still winable for the rest of the survivors.
Solo-queue Survivor main here: The chaos can be fun/silly, but it's really hard to feel like anything I'm doing ultimately matters. Toolboxes and flashlights you find are pretty much useless (especially after gens are done). Since there's no pick up mechanic, pallets are only useful for chases, which might not matter if both Killers are on you. You really need everybody to gen rush at the start, or else it feels difficult/impossible to make an escape. Or it's the total opposite and the Killers just seem too uncoordinated/new. I ultimately feel like I do in 1v4, only now, I have more gens to rush (because all those Escapists and Scouts aren't touching them), less control over how I can evade and escape (especially with so many aura reveals), and the only compliement I can give is that at least the matches are over relatively quickly (which isn't fully a compliment in my opinion, but some 1v4 matches can go on for a whiiiile). Good content! Definitely a mode for Killer mains and their pals!
I am absolutely sick to death of the sweatlord dullards proxy-camping & tunnelling ppl out at 5 gens, not to mention facing the same tedious meta builds over and over. Oh and selfish teammates giving up on hook straight away. So this mode is a breath of fresh air for me. It's less stressful, more eventful, and it sidesteps a lot of the toxic shit in the main mode.
Thats kinda the point I feel. One survivor matters less but as a team its just the same. Its not quite a hide and seek but a constant chase and tag, brings out the high octane fun of the base game. Also having 7 other survivors means after you been hooked most likely the killer wont focus you because they dont know where the hell you are.
The thing is, stuff like BP and shard incentives are, in the end, just band-aid fixes. The main problem lies in the fact that killer is just so much more fun than survivor. Killer in 2v8 offers a completely unique experience, while for survivor it is still too similar to the regular mode. Heck, even the classes can pretty faithfully be recreated using perk builds. To combat this in the long term, they have to change up the survivor gameplay more, give it a unique twist, too, aside from literally just more of the same. Maybe a different objective, more unique classes that cannot be achieved with perks normally, etc.
bhvr actually said recently in a q&a that they were looking into reworking gen repair mechanic to make them more interactive. hopefully we get something like this!
They could add something like a hacking mini-game (add a motherboard and some wires to the gen model or something), and if you perform a successful hack, you affect the killer in some way. They get Blindness for a bit, or their auras are revealed to everyone for a few seconds, or their inputs are momentarily swapped :). So you'd be making the gen progress (not as much as normal), but you'd also be helping out any teammate in a chase.
It’s so interesting to me to see this happen, cuz I don’t think I’ve seen that happen in any other multiplayer game. Granted DBD is very different from most other multiplayer games, but still. Like I used to play a ton of Halo, and they would always add in like wacky, chaotic party modes, or even just slightly crazier stuff like Big Team Battle, but none of those ever detracted from the main game mode *this much*. People still played the standard game mode religiously, so it’s genuinely crazy to me to see people ditching the regular game for the new toy in such massive droves.
not only is it less stressful, it is also so much simpler. Like, there's four different survivor perk layouta and five killers. Nothing else for either side to learn or memorize.
I really want a roguelike mode to be the de-facto 'casual' mode. Escape From Tarkov had major problems with power-scaling that lead to people with the best items stomping everyone without, and I believe its the same problem here. DBD matches are so heavily skewed by what each side brings to the match, and with the assumption that the other side is bringing the sweatiest perks and items, why would you ever make a fun build, especially since all perks are free to use once you actually get them and you most likely have thousands of the best addons and items? A roguelike mode would add the 'reset' that makes having a fun build rewarding by not being guaranteed to go up against the meta every match.
My issue with the mode is that survivor feel too barebones since we can’t go for saves with pallets, flashlights and toolboxes. We just have to do gens, heal and chase, it’s get boring after a while.
I would love to see a new permanent game mode that utilizes the 2v8 concepts in a 1v4 setting. The cage mechanic, the classes rather than perks. No items, addons, or offerings. Every killer with 4 basic abilities revolving around their specific power. Maybe a couple more class options for survivor.
While I'm super happy for BHVR to be trying to mode and this being a success, I personally only liked 2v8 as a brief little mode as survivor. I'm mostly a Killer player and I really do prefer to play and pace of normal DbD Killer games, and playing as such means I'm obviously a solo player so I don't have friends to queue for in 2v8 so I haven't even bothered with 2v8 Killer (though hearing how bad the queue times are I feel like I dodged a bullet). I played like 5 games of solo survivor on 2v8 and now really just want to play normal DbD again as Killer, but queue times are so long I have to play a whole other game (or like sort Magic cards) while in queue; it's not about the BP, I miss fast queues to play this game when I want to play a match. Again, glad the mode is doing well, but currently I'm looking forward to it being over so I can have my normal queue times again for standard DbD that I like playing.
One of my biggest takeaways from this (apart from your points which I think are good) is that I think the class system is FAR better than perks on survivor. Even though it would never happen, I'd want to see classes replace perks pretty much in general. They're far easier to balance, far easier to explain and use as a beginner, far easier for killers to understand mid match, way less pay to play/win too. Perks are clearly impossible for BHVR to get right, but I can imagine this game with 10+ classes instead of 100+ perks being WAY better.
I LOVE this mode so much. Online Multiplayer games have been 90% if not more of what I've played in the last 15 years but as I get older, I don't want to deal with the intense stress of these games as much. I switched a year ago from Apex Legends to Dead by Daylight for this exact reason. DBD is less stressful. And yet, here I am taking breaks constantly from DBD to get away from the stress. And then here comes 2v8, where there's almost comparably so much less stress on both killer and survivor side and I LOVE it! I love it so much. It's so much less stressful. It's so chaotic. It's so fun. I tried to go back to 1v4 and I hated it. I played 1 match and threw because I didn't want to deal with the stress and went straight back to 2v8. 2v8 is great and I like the ideas you presented for why this mode is so much more fun because I totally agree.
My fav 2v8 killer is surprisingly Trapper because you start out with pressure and while I go around setting up my traps my fellow killer is applying pressure. I wouldn’t mind if 2V8 was the only game mode, it’s so much more fun and less stressful. I hope to see more killer options in the future though.
I think one particular mechanical component of 2v8 that is helping its popularity is its automatic Pyramid Head style cage system. That system is a win-win. For killers it means a lot less time spent carrying survivors to hooks and it eliminates the nuisance of being cautious to avoid flashlight and pallet stuns when picking survivors up. And on the survivor side it means there is a lot less incentive to leave survivors slugged on the ground for extended periods and when you get caged you’ll be far away from that killer which incentivizes them to go chase someone else afterward rather than pseudo patrol your hook. It almost makes me wish 1v4 just used this system instead of the normal carry to hook method. Of course taking that out does eliminate things like backpack builds and makes flashlights less fun for survivors who like them, but I suspect that in balance overall the game might be fun using the instant cages and that tradeoff would be mostly positive for the game. That said, it would be a TON of development work to implement that it 1v4 because it would require a big overhaul of a lot of perks and some abilities, etc, so even if the devs agreed that it could be a useful 1v4 feature it probably wouldn’t be worth the time and effort to do unfortunately. 🤷♂️
Lmaooo thats literally the reason why theres not enough ppl on surv. Not being able to go for a flash/pallet/bang/sabo save makes survivor experience hella stale after a while. Your take is full of copium
@@jonathann4813 Wow you are dense. That is not the reason at all child. Everyone wants to duo killer even if they dont have a friend to duo with. That's why not enough are playing surv. That is the only reason. The only thing that makes 2v8 stale is not enough killers are playable so it leads to many samey matches. What a horrible take.
It would be a radical departure, but we could possibly fix 1v4 in a similar way. Increase the number of generators from 5 to 7 Increase the number of hooks before death from 3 to 4 Reduce the effectiveness of slowdown perks. Reduce the effectiveness of gen speed perks. Toolboxes can't be used on generators anymore, but can sabotage hooks On hook, randomize the survivors location so that camping and tunneling is improbable. Move the survivor again if the killer stays too close to the survivor after they've been hooked twice in a row Basically, the goal is to reduce the impact of any individual chase or gen loss by giving more of both. 2v8 is generally less stressful because each interaction is lower impact, slugging, tunneling and camping literally don't exist and the perks aren't all gen speed or chase related. 2v8 accidentally fixed all of DBD's issues, but some of that magic could be replicated I think by at least attempting to reduce the impact of any individual chase or hook state, and making sure that tunneling and camping are very rare
It's more fun on killer but I feel it's far less engaging as survivor. Guide only giving a benefit to other people on gen feels unrewarding. I feel you always want 4 escapists and I'm sad you can't save your teammates in any way whatsoever. It's less stressful but less rewarding I can only play a couple matches and then I go back to normal queue and cycle through different build themes.
Ive been going through my challenge backlog because there's alot more survivors to down, gens to kick survivors to chase, gens to finish and trials to escape. Some of these challenges that require multiple matches can now be completed in one
They could make the 1v4 mode the "ranked" mode of dbd while the 2v8 becomes casual. 1v4 would have more strict MMR but also has greater rewards. Perhaps you get irri shards every 13th based on your 1v4 rank instead of just blood points for your casual 2v8 rank.
@Antarctide increasing the killer variety would go a long way to help as well. Since duplicate killers aren't allowed it cuts down the available lobbies. More killers means less chance of duplicates so you have a greater lobby selection to pull from.
Its the lower amount of variance. 5 killers, like 5 maps, no perks, no offerings no items. Flashlight saves and pallet saves are not possible hence less reason to not be on a gen hence more reliable gen progress during a game. To be honest, 2v8 is just a superior game, design wise.
it’s too early to say that people enjoy 2v8 more than the classic DBD Mode. Yes the pure chaos in 2v8 is fun, but on the other hand 2v8 also takes away a lot of the strategic depth of the core mode and therefore a win feels less meaningful. I think we should wait and see how this all develops before we draw conclusions this early.
Yeah I felt like my actions in 2v8 were far less meaningful to the outcome of the game and as someone who probably values winning a little too much, it was kind of irritating at times
@@yeahokay3806 well it’s far easier to „win“ in 2v8 than in 1v4. So a win feels less rewarding. 2v8 is a very casual mode which is totally fine. But for me personally it gets abut boring after a while. :)
adding more killers will make queues so much better, since you can't duplicate killers like Huntress is so overplayed to where other options will allow people to play more often and bringing more variety
Adding more killers would make queues worse. The people that play survivor but would love to play Wesker in it would convert to the killer queues if they dropped him in. That adds one person to killer queues and takes one from survivor queues. How does that help?
I think once a survivor is downed they should immediately be caged without the killer having to stand over top of them and press space. This would prevent slugging, make the game feel much faster pace on survivor, and prevent pretty much the only way for the killers to make the match miserable for survivors.
Survivors don't find it much fun. The one-sided queue times explains that. Super fun for killer. I think most people play surv for that 400% bp though.
@@derrian6969 I played 5 hrs as surv today and had more fun then for the last 2-3 years. Finally I don't see blight and wesker each second game, and same 4-5 perks
Yeah I sure as shit have more fun as survivor, just because I don't have to deal with camping, tunnelling (at least nowhere near as much), tedious slowdown builds like Plaything & Pent, teammates giving up on 1st hook etc.
It's not a solution for 2v8, but if implemented, I could see this taking some of the stress out of the main mode, and thus alleviating the load on 2v8 a bit--Video Horror Society had a mechanic where its perks had a point value, and each character had a limited points budget they could use to make their build. Adopting a similar system in DBD could help a lot in dealing with some of the balance issues surrounding killers with very oppressive powers, like Nurse and Blight. Assign a higher point cost to stronger perks and those with particularly nasty synergy with already-powerful killers, and give the higher-tier killers a lower perk budget. This could also make on-the-fly balancing easier by allowing BHVR to tweak the numbers in response to broken perk combos being discovered when reworks aren't immediately possible.
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I’m okay with how the game mode is now, but I would love to see more classes being added in the future. Like booning, being able to take hits as a survivors, or chest/item focused class for survivors. Hag could have a hex focus playstyle, doc revealing everyone with static shock, clown having really large after tonic cloud spaces with different debuffs.
Be careful what you wish for. I’m glad this mode is limited time. Don’t make it permanent. There clearly aren’t enough active players to sustain both modes, so DBD as a whole will suffer if the killers favour 2v8 and survivors eventually get bored and want to play against other killer characters.
Yeah, the queue times really kill the mode for me. The fact that the queue times are also bad in 1v4 is a pretty big problem. I usually play this game once a week with a friend of mine, but last week we weren't able to get into a single killer game in either mode. If they can't fix the queue time problem, I'd rather never seen this mode in the game again.
2v8 is also amazing for doing Tome challenges, especially some of the harder "do X in one trial" ones. I've been flying through my challenges since this dropped
I think the lack of RNG is really important too, the "perks" in 2v8 are all fairly balanced unlike the base game, addons don't exist, most of the killers and maps(?) are unavailable, so the gap between worst RNG (enemy has full meta build and got a good map) and best RNG (enemy has garbage build and you got a good map) is way smaller
Best way to fix this IMO is as follows. 2v8 stays limited time but gets implemented into the game more often. Say one month on then 2-3 weeks off for improvements/ new killers being added. Every time it comes back they add 1-2 killers until we get to the point that all the killers are available to play. Once that point is reached they don’t remove the mode and now DBD has 2 modes. They get updated as new killers/etc drop. They need to add more maps and of course more classes on both sides as time goes so it stays some what fresh. Leave the perks out on 2v8 ALWAYS. IMO this would allow the transition of the new mode but not kill the main mode. With q times as is for the regular mode right now I’m not incentivized to buy the next killer because i won’t see them hardly ever. This is something BHVR knows as well. Which is why 2v8 is limited and likely needs to stay that way for awhile. Which is why I think the above plan is a good compromise to the alternative of losing the mode all together to a once a year in game event.
Thoughts on how the base game could improve based on this: Cages are an excellent mechanic, allowing the killer to go back to playing the game while making it harder to camp/tunnel, and often putting survivors in an easily-unhookable position, letting them get back to gameplay. It would require substantial testing and tuning, but I honestly think it would help the base game be more fun to make this a more common mechanic - perhaps as a killer/survivor perk, or a map-dependent change/variant to the game, or even just an option for the killer to choose when they feel it's appropriate. Part of what's enjoyable about the chaos is how often you reconsider and change what you're doing. Killers hate when survivors all just hide, survivors hate just sitting forever at a generator. In 2v8, your priorities are shifting pretty much nonstop. What I think I'd take from this to the base game is to make there be MORE instances of interaction, but to have each be less committal. I'm imagining a system where Survivors all have 3 hook-states before death instead of 2, there are 7 gens instead of 5, but generators and healing progress proportionally faster, and killers perhaps gain some kind of 'stalking' buff which increases their speed when no Survivors are nearby (a sort of reverse bloodlust, I guess. An 'impatience' mechanic). It acts like a whispers-type radar effect to help find survivors, and gets the killer moving from chase to chase quicker. Overall, the goal I think is to try and retool the game to reduce downtime. Add mechanics that get killers spending more time chasing survivors, and which reduce the time that both sides spend stuck doing the 'chores' of gameplay.
League of Legends published that URF mode was extremely popular, but after it rotated out the playerbase for League of Legend's normal (and ranked) playerbase would actually diminish afterwards. So they made the decision to stop having URF show up because it was actually harmful to the normal game's playerbase to contrast the game with a more fun, less stressful game mode. This is a very funny story to me. I definitely think one of the solutions is just to, you know, switch the primary dev form of DBD to 2v8? It'd be a pretty insane workload to try to convert so much of the game to it, but hey. Skins will still sell. It'd be a monstrous workload to do inventory and rebalance for all the perks in the game though, but also maybe fun for the devs to try new things in a new design space? League had too much wrapped up in ranked/pro-scene to do a pivot, but also the pivot is both risky and immensely high workload? I think it'd be cool though.
League still has URF every few months. It usually is the one that dwindles in playerbase after a while so that's why it rotates. As for the permanent switch to 2v8, it's a fun idea but I'm not sure it's sustainable. Part of the reason the game is so stress-free is because it has no perks or maps no one dislikes. I'm not sure DBD could survive long-term without perks and thats ignoring the fact they've already been in the game since launch and been paid for by its entire playerbase, meaning they cant just get rid of them. There are definitely some lessons they could take from 2v8 though. I think cages are an improvement from hooks (but maybe they don't move away from the killer once gates are powered), and no map offerings are also a welcome sight to most players (doesn't hurt there are no bad maps either, but they're not just throwing away RPD and midwich in the normal mode).
I think making one perk (The strongest or most meta) locked to the specific survivor/killer it belongs to as base kit would help a lot in the way of stress. Because it makes the perks more readable by character, and prevents stacking the super meta second chance and slow down perks, and perhaps implementing the pyramidhead cages as base kit for the first hook stage to help with killer early game.
i agree, the stress is the major part of it. 1 v 4 killer side is *insanely* stressful, if you slightly misplay you can lose like half the gens or the entire match. but 2 v 8 killer there's like 0 stress because the mode is way faster paced and any stress you do have is halved by having a teammate. i really hope they implement some mechanics from 2v8 into 1v4 to remove some of the stress.
Sorry but I’m gonna have to disagree here, the mode is insanely fun on killer but awful as survivor. There is zero gameplay except gens and waiting your turn to get two tapped. Taking perks from survivors limits gameplay far more than killers since they still have a power. Imagine how cool it would be to save your teammate from getting pondered in shack because you have head on. Sadly the survivors have nothing to do in chase at the moment and it turns that gameplay into gens/heal simulator.
yea don’t really get the thought process behind scrapping perks entirely, they’d just have to decide what to do if two killers have the same perks, I don’t have an answer off the top of my head but still this would’ve been so much more fun if we could use our builds.
As someone who sucks at survivor I've personally had a lot of fun with the runner class in chase. The shorter cooldown on sprint burst and the bonus move speed while injured has made learning to loop much less frustrating and more fun/rewarding to learn. Also helps that you're up against 2 of the same 5 killers each game so I don't feel like I have to learn an entirely new character each time I load in. Getting double tapped feels kinda bad I guess but I personally don't mind it since having 2 killers on you usually means your teammates are more likely to be getting stuff done elsewhere on the map. If it seems too killer sided as the game mode progresses though they could always implement some sort of mini 1-3 second endurance effect after getting your first hit. Admittedly though the other half of why I'm playing survivor so much is the bloodpoint bonus so giving the other classes something more interactive to do wouldn't be a bad idea (stealth mode button for Scouts, insta heals/For the People for Healers, etc.)
definitely disagree. i didnt really get 2v1'd that much and when it did happen i didn't care much because it usually meant there were a huge amount of gens being worked on. im pretty much constantly doing something as survivor in 2v8
I think survivor is still fun even though the options are more limited. You can still make certain plays as an escapist or try to split the killers up so it’s not easy to be two tapped, (or you can try to body block so the killers can’t easily two tap someone else). Or you can focus more on saving and healing as a medic. If going against trapper you can go and look for/disarm traps.
@@ScottJund different experiences I suppose. My 2v8 as survivor is usually staring at a gen till both come along and pincer you at the first loop you come across, because of this survivors have won a lot because the killers aren’t playing optimally but they are having fun whilst I’m bored as hell.
The worst part is going to be when 2v8 goes away and 1v4 doesn’t adapt any of what makes 2v8 great and everything just goes back to the way it’s always been, and all you have is a memory of how good things were
@@theopendoorev either. I almost always duo, but there's more variety in every single aspect of the game in 1v4, and the weight and actions of an individual hold way more merit than in 2v8.
Excellent video, scott. I enjoyed it wholeheartedly. Edit: Upon actually finishing the video, I've come to the conclusion that dbd might have actually killed the regular mode and the game will be dead if they actually get rid of it in about a week
I wouldn’t underestimate the 400% bonus for survivor as a driver. There are a number of problems for survivor side that have to be worked through and 3 days in it was less fun. For example, killers can run clockwise through the map together and just mow the lawn to an 8k. Also, third to last survivor getting slugged and camped is quite common. Huntress is so OP, she is in 90% of matches as well.
They should replace 1v4 hooks with the stomp cages. They never will because of all of the hooking archives and perks centered around hooks, and because they're lazy. They built a whole lot on top of a very imperfect foundation, and 2v8 showed how much better the game could be if they rebuilt some things from the ground up.
Cages would just make the game stupidly easy for survivors. Even if there weren't perks built around hooks on both sides I don't see how it would miraculously make the games balancing any better. It would be amazing for solo queues but as someone that SWFs most of the time this would just remove skill based interactions from the game while making it brain numbing levels of easy. Maybe if they reworked the entire game to accommodate to cages it'd be okay but throughout that process they definitely kill the game.
@Racc-Kun_YT "Skill based interactions" like going down under a pallet and calling it out to your buddies? Like body blocking a hook? Like getting a flashbang save while the killer is staring at a wall? Like getting a flashlight save with background player? Like skillfully sabotaging a hook, which they just made easier? Maybe you mean skillfully wiggling out with a perk that makes it easier? Or do you mean skillful interactions like a killer deciding whether or not to camp a hook for a trade? None of that is good for the game. Survivors have plenty of resources on maps to win games without the ridiculous hook denial meta. Killers can win without camping. The game would be more fast paced and less tedious if the killer could go from chase to chase and didn't always have the option to make any unhook a headache.
@@prkrdp If you lose hooks to any survivor based play then that is because of a skill issue. You just sound like you're whining with every example you give. Cages would 100% be a good change for survivors in every way imaginable at high level play. If survivors are chasing you around for saves they aren't doing gens which is a good thing for you as the killer, with the cage mechanic they will have nothing to do but sit on gens. It would make the gameplay loop for survivors insanely boring in the process but I don't see cages being good for killers when so many players already whine about "gen rushing".
@@prkrdp thats pretty much a majority of the fun in survivor. working as a team ya dunce. If its stomp cages its just boring gen simulator and everyone just stays on them and there is nothing to do. As a killer youd lose almost every match.
They should make a mode where both sides have a preset loadout because that's probably the reason why this gamemode is so popular right now, it could be a ranked mode if they balance it well enough
The 2v8 mode has pretty much convinced me we need DBD to split into a "Competitive" mode and a casual one. Going back to 1v4 feels like a huge sweatfest in comparison. Make that mode competitive, add a public "rank", and then let people go crazy and have fun in the casual mode.
I disagree. 2v8 may be very fun for killers, but its miserable for survivors. The most fun part of being a survivor is getting chased by the killer, outsmarting them and winning mindgames. You can't really have that in 2v8 cuz you constantly get two-tapped and demolished cuz you physically cannot deal with two killers at once. There is no outsmarting or mindgaming involved. You just die. Factor in the fact that another incredibly fun part of survivor gameplay is removed in this mode (that being pallet/flashlight/flashbang saves since the killers can insta-cage) and 2v8 basically becomes a gen-repairing/healing simulator where you are unable to communicate with your teammates because everything is so chaotic.
I think a big part of it is that people forget this is a game in 1v4 and try way to hard but it’s difficult to take 2v8 seriously, just like you said, people are always saying the game is killer sided, the game is survivor sided, people just need to accept that you win some and you lose some and just try to have fun with it more than constantly being so try hard.
Solution: 4v16. You opened Pandora's Box, and we came.
the servers would absolutely shit themselves 😂😂
Are you trying to blow up people switch devices?
Eventually the game will just become an open world battle royale 😂 100 survivors, 20 killers, 50 gens 🤣
@@squashua7222 *125 gens; in the main game the ratio is 5 gens to do to 4 survivors
even using this mode's ratio of 8 gens for 8 survivors (1:1), there should be 100 gens to do (1:2 would go crazy fast)
Also: shouldn't there be 25 kiIIers?
It would be hilarious if somehow each new game mode has a higher ratio than the previous ones
2vs8 truly feels like a party game, it’s easier, less stressful, less things to think about,
DBD is by no means a party game, even at its most casual it will never be casual enough
@@p.taylor981 it definitely can be a party game, just depends on the situation
@@p.taylor981in this case “party” refers to a group of people. They don’t mean it as in a birthday party game or a festive party game
custom games are fun when every role is a mate of yours, we had some awesome games and laughed alot. Dbd can definitely be a party game
Exactly one of the main reasons why I stopped playing it after 2 days. Too many downsides about 2v8 surv role for above average players.
It’s because there’s no perks to worry about. The abilities are set, and you know what to expect. You don’t have to worry if someone has Unbreakable or Deliverance or Devour Hope or whatever. There’s just less BS. That’s why it’s fun.
You make a valid point. Plus, I like the idea of stomping on the downed victim and teleporting them to a cage. It adds a level of convenience in exchange for more chaos which I'm okay with
Yes. That is the essence of it. And the cages, correct the design flaw that allowed people to camp hooks, as an ez grind method. Ruining the game for everyone else.
Even if there was bs the most important thing that stops it from being stressful is there’s so many survivors you have less tunneling and camping and theres more killers so you don’t have to stress as much about hey oh shit meg is speed running gens and I’m still not getting a down. Not being the only person to worry about frees up
@@tristenatorplaysgames6833 let's be honest, the real Meg was the friends we made along the way.
Less bullshit perks and addons, more survivors soaking up hits which lessens the pressure on you
2v8 is also a great way for new players to enjoy the game, there's no esoteric perk knowledge needed or DLCs needed to play. You just drop in with preset classes or the free killers
In my opinion, there has been a trend in online video games where most gamemodes are heavily displayed as "competitive" modes, dead by daylight and many other games are in desperate need of a casual gamemode
it's funny because DBD is one of the LEAST competitive multiplayer games I know of. MMR is invisible, rank is invisible and mostly just tracks time played, there's no way to see your match history without manually doing it yourself and overall very little in-game incentive to win beyond a small % of tome challenges, and adept achievements. And yet we all get so stressed over the outcome of each match!
@@FredCyber Its stressful because there IS MMR and invisible MMR doesn't mean NO MMR. 2v8 has NO MMR so its less stressful. Most people I see in DbD are using META builds but thats.... NOT competitive?
@@FredCyberthat makes no sense every game has invisible mmr
@@derrian6969 Pretty much every game has MMR even in their casual gamemodes. You need a skill metric to use for matchmaking because most people dont find wild skill imbalances in matches of anything fun. DbD happens to have one of the most obsessed communities with it for various reasons.
2v8 doesn't affect/doesnt have MMR because it uses 1v4 MMR to matchmake you as Scott mentioned
@@derrian6969 thing is, if the MMR is invisible why does it matter what it is? You have no incentive to have high MMR and you'll never be able to know what it is beyond "I am not at a rank where new players play".
don’t let the astounding success of 2v8 distract you from the fact that Scott hasn’t made a sequel to Through the Portal yet
Success? 2v8 sucks
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Normal dbd was just a modifier for like 8 years, now the actual game is finally released.
Its still in beta though
I like what you’re saying
Damn, looks like the modifier was better than the main game all along then.
Time for dbd 2 , rebalance the whole game around 2v8 😂
Oh thats why bugs got released 😂
"If you don't like 2v8 just pkay the main game"
My brother in Christ I can't find a game outside of 2v8. Queuing killer right now is basically just playing a different game while you wait for 30 minutes. My switch has seen this much use in years
a switch dbd enjoyer. how's dbd on the switch?
@@tylergreene8018 Oh I dont play dbd on the switch, Im playing random games on my switch while in queue. Used to play on Switch tho so I really feel for people who use it as their main console
@@tylergreene8018 i think they mean they are playing games on switch while their main platform is in killer queue
@@R_E_X_O_ oh shit i'm stupid you right
I’ve also been playing my switch in queue; Metroid Zero Mission has saved me from staring at the lobby for 15 minutes while I wait
for me its the lack of tunnelling that makes it so much more fun. I actually played a regular match the other day. Someone was tunnelled out at 4 gens, then another person suicides on hook. Immediately went back to 2v8.
Yeah and even if someone DCs early in 2 v 8, the match isn't lost.
Hope u learned your lesson. Now u better only be on 2v8
Bro good killers can tunnel in 2 v 8 . Its actually super easy . Good nurse puts pressure and downs wraith can go right to the unhook and tunnel that dude out . And you havnt went against the god tier nurse huntress combo yet that just goes for slugs all game . God bless
@@jilujoilujiut2165even in situations like that it just doesn’t feel the same. Its more impressive downing 8 people then hey you downed and tunneled one person out of the match the entire match. If you wanna tunnel super hard your throwing extra hard
Oh god yeah, my friend and I went back to regular dbd because of rift challenges and every match was just awful. All the miserable people that didn't want to play 2v8 stayed in 1v4 to keep playing like the average Dbag.
Mind you we're just playing normally and for rift challenges, not doing anything dumb, not hindering our team, not giving the killers a reason to be toxic and yet they were all extremely so. Had a pig with the annoying scream build and she kept slugging my friend for no reason until she almost bled after she killed the other two. Dry humping her on the ground and leaving her for 'bait' even though she knew where I was because of her build and she wouldn't come for me.
Also had a pyramid head that hard proxy'd/tunneled on Lampkin.
I totally adore 2v8. Haven't had this much fun in a game in so long.
Finally feels like a wild party game. Plenty of looping on both sides, much less pressure, AND I love seeing all of the fun and cute cosmetic combos people come up with. 😊
I do have one complaint about 2v8 and its a pretty obvious one. Having only played survivor (as all my friends are insane and only want to play survivor), there needs to be more killers man. Like I don't want to call it "frustrating" but its really tiring to go against nurse like 10 games in a row. Most of those games being Nurse/Huntress, so you just see on the side "revealed" and now you have a Nurse blinking straight at you. Game mode is fun, but until they add more variety, man does the survivor side get stale really quickly.
i completely agree the lack of variety sucks rn
They can add a few more killers, but really need to steer away from the more frustrating ones
I'm actually surprised, I have only played killer and have yet to get a nurse as my partner. It's mostly wraiths(I mainly play trapper), but I have seen a large amount of huntress. I have also yet to have a Billy teammate lol.
They should also add a rotation of dlc characters to every rank reset so they can balance it around while still being fresh while also letting people without dlc play those killers.
Had a survivor endgame complain stating that they see either nurse or Huntress every match. I can see how that's annoying for survivors.
Something very similar happened in League when they introduced a game mode called URF (Ultra Rapid Fire) in which all cooldowns are shorter and no mana costs, which led to super fast and chaotic gameplay, the devs realized that after it ended, they would always lose players. It seemed that after such rapid and fun gameplay a lot of players didn't like the normal mode anymore and stopped playing, similar thing might happen for DBD.
Yup. I am one of theplayers that returns for URF, ARURF (All Random Ultra Rapid Fire), OFA (One for All), and Nexus Blitz.
This is exactly what BHVR should avoid. Riot made it their mission (to this day!) to not satisfy the people that wanted to play URF over the normal gamemode (Which was mostly veterans burned out on the normal game).
I do have to set the record straight. The lost player things is highly questionable. They refused to show any kinds of stats to back that up where they excluded other reasons people stopped playing, such as them messing up massively and not bringing the mode back for another full year, nor as a permanent queue, nor custom games, nor improving the main game so it satisfied more players. And then the year after they actually refused to bring it back another time until they probably lost even more players.
Yeah, that's what I was exactly thinking aside from the LoL part
URF sucks
2v8 is reminiscent of the times where multiplayer games gave both sides extremely over powered resources. Survivors have 30 pallets and god tier loops, killers have enhanced power and can double team survivors. Both sides get to have fun.
it just feels like tf2 lol
Imagine if a game like Team Fortress 2 only had one gamemode like capture the flag and nothing else, then, one day, Valve finally released a new gamemode, say payload or something. It's the fact that DBD has had one singular gamemode for nearly 10 years that makes people wanna do nothing but play it. These gamemodes should really just coexist with eachother imo instead of being a limited time thing
If gamemodes coexisted then you'd get a repeat of L4D2 mutation situation. Mutations used to cycle weekly and as a result queue times for them were usually quick. However, at a point all mutations were available at the same time. This literally killed all mutations other than ones like Tank Run.
I think dbd would benefit from a weekly/biweekly randomized cycle.
you dont take BHVRs monetizing system into account
rn anyone can play 2v8 regardless of experience, grind and DLC ownage
if ranked 4v1 was the only mode you need to grind and pay for
do you believe pretty much everyone would still put money into it on a regular basis or are you not delulu
why would they shoot their own foot like this
they wont
If 2v8 was permanent I don't think I would play the regular mode anymore.
@@whiterabbit4945but if 2v8 is a thing not only does this attract more players it has those players inviting their friends to get the game which means more players are active and that means probably more cosmetics bought
@@maximusthegoat8034 sure
2:20 I think it's also worth pointing out that even with how popular Chaos Shuffle was, it still only required 5 people to get one match going. 2v8 just by the nature of how it works requires double the normal amount of players to get one match going, on top of seemingly being more popular. I think this also contributes to the normal queues struggling right now.
It's all ratio. Doesn't matter how many people are queueing for the game. It's the ratio that matters. You can have 8 survivors and 4 killers waiting for a match or you can have 800 survivors and 400 killers. The ratio is the same.
@@Barec76 that ratio argument only works if dbd had an infinite or at very least let's say counterstrike amount of people playing (1,2 mil + peak on steam). the DBD userbase has around 100-125k counting all systems (consoles+steam+xbox) at the peak hours
"going through" that playerbase twice as quick will 100% affect the queue times together with all the other factors, especially MMR & MMR pools
@iFerrex MMR is quickly disregarded. If the ratio is good, matches are quick. The ratio is bad. Killers love 2v8, I know I main killer. It's ratio not numbers.
I think its more popular with killers . But most survivors i know preferred chaos shuffle . Its just dbd with random perks which is fun because nobody could just go in there with there i gotta win build .
My friends who have no interest in dbd have picked it up. The amount of people tjat have been shooting the player count through the roof is gonna make it a staple
I think a part of it also helps that you don't need to go through 200 perks every time someone does an action and you don't have to deal with really strong medkits/toolboxes/addons. The game feels a lot less like "oh I got 3 ppl injured going into endgame", nope they all had Adrenaline and you're screwed, or you unhook a Survivor and oops the Wraith is there because he didn't bring aura reading so instead goes back to the hook each time.
You mentioned the idea of priority passes. And while on paper, that's a good idea. It will be abused. Saw it in overwatch. Say there's a priority pass queue for survivor. They'll Q up, and then just die on first hook. Or if it's like, you have to escape to get the pass. Survivors will just hardcore hide and not save anybody in hopes they get a hatch escape. It will just create a really unfun gameplay. I don't think they could go that route ever.
yeah there are definitely flaws with the idea. there's no real good way to fix this IMO
You can't die on first hook in 2v8. There's no way to kill yourself on hook. You have to at least wait for second hook to miss skill checks.
Why do you think people have actually been able to play full matches without someone killing themselves on hook?
@mythmage8231 I was just referring to the base game. In 2v8 it'd be no different, though. People would just try to die as fast as possible.
Possibly a priority pass based on how much you did in the certain roles. Doing an amount of gens with guide, chase time with chaser, reveal time with scout and amount of heals with medic
@@ScottJund Instead of the priority pass system maybe they could do a system where there are 3 queue types: survivor, killer and the "quick blender." In the quick blender mode you don't know what role you're going to get. The mode assumes people want to play killer more than survivor. When playing as survivor, players are earning their way to the next killer match. Their score would be based on emblems, and once they got enough "emblem credit" as survivor they'd get queued up as killer. Those with the most emblem credit would be the priority queue for killers. Only solos and duos could queue up for the quick blender.
I played NOTHING but Chaos Shuffle when it was out. It was fun and most importantly - everyone were on equal terms with no meta in sight. The amount of useless Lyra twins perks I used to get made my eye twitch tho
I enjoy the lack of perks. Suddenly I don't have to stress over the possibility that a survivor has one of like 7 possible perks. Like, no dead hard, no gen rush, no flashbang, nothing. It's so much less stressful.
Had a 2v8 game end in 4 minutes 45 seconds, killers couldn't any downs early game.
2V8 hilariously showed everyone how much of a f*cking clown fiesta the main game actually is. 😂
Normal DBD is often much too asymmetrical for it’s own good. You queue into a match with your perks and builds thinking you’re gonna be able to use all of it and find some fun synergies then end up getting pooped on and receiving little to no value or having very little fun in the process, whether it be due to bugs, other players, or the game itself. 2V8 at the VERY LEAST puts everyone on a leveled playing field that isn’t just a simulated guessing game that robs you of your agency.
I don't like having my loadout removed cos other ppl picked it first
That's also what I liked about chaos shuffle.
@@professoremilexactly. Some builds can be objectively really good, but depending on the match, that same build can either turn into a useless build or a mediocre build
They did too good of a job so far.
2v8 also fixes problems with certain killer types. Trapper in this is a support killer and honestly feels made for this mode more than 1v4. I bet Clown will also fit into this mode as a support killer better than as a solo killer
Maybe, but Trapper is just not good in this mode either. Far and away the worst.
@@narsheguard6417 I disagree
@@AirLight1646 He's really good against really bad survivors. He still doesn't have many traps relative to map size and pallet counts. I just loop were I know for certain Trapper never has been and the other killer can't down me easily.
@@derrian6969 he’s a defensive killer. He really excels at defending a 6 gen and shutting down any pallets around the area. Pallets run out much faster when there 8-12 of them are trapped in the area with gens near them
@@narsheguard6417yes he is
The worst part abt 2v8 survivor is that it feels your contributions matter so little.
You can loop one of the killers for 2 minutes or do 3 gens and its not gonna matter because timmies will get downed by the other killer in less than 10 seconds
on the flip side your fuck ups impact everyone else a lot less
@ScottJund true, and it removes the pressure you have as a survivor. Theres no longer as much fear that you're letting your team down
That just sounds like 1v4
sounds like your taking the party mode a bit seriously, who cares if you escape or die in seconds ?have fun in the chaos or go back to 4v1
Yes, 2v8 rewards individual skill/experience considerably less than 1v4 at the "benefit" of reducing "stress" and expectations from your teammates, which explains the popularity of this mode with the average DBD player.
normal DBD won’t even be fun anymore after we’ve been spoiled with 2v8
can you pls say what exactly is fun in 2v8? I find it super chaotic. The only good thing about it is playing duo killer. Getting double teamed with constant aura reading both sides doesnt bring me personally any joy
@@broken1boness Fr
@@Qeseu Me and my friend both play quite sweaty in 2v8, it brings me and him a lot of fun as killer; I cannot for the life of me see how fun that would be on the other side. Not everyone is playing like me and him, but some thing's are universal, like the constant aura reading or near constant gen kicking.
"I find it super chaotic" yes. That's what makes it fun. 1v4 is just autopilot for me as survivor. And killer is just too stressful when you're anybody but nurse, SM or knight@@Qeseu
@@watchmehope6560well I personaly find it better when my game is not full on brainrot
When 2v8 disappears, so does my installation.
Idk if I'm the only one, but 2v8 made me enjoy way more the main game and made me feel less stressed during my recent 1v4 games, kinda ironical
What I really enjoy about 2v8 is that games are fast paced and not based on slowdown/sluggishness
Ive had a couple games that drug out a long time. Killers too afraid of the hatch to lose so they kept trying to get the final 3 without one dying. Made the match like 30 mintues lol
i think one of the things that makes 2v8 better is the perks or lack there of. people arent worried about making the sweatiest most meta-iest build they can make and they're just having fun instead.
While im a person who loves making builds and combining perks, theres just too many at this point. perks are why its so hard to balance the game currently. theres like over 200 perks and the game needs balanced around them. like how many perks are borderline useless while others are super strong? how many times have certain perks been reworked or nerfed because 1 or 2 killers can exploit them? you have to wonder how much dev time is wasted balancing around perks
Yep that's another huge bonus for me. There's no rolling of eyes because the other side decided to bring some tedious or overused build that makes the match an unfun slog.
And frankly at this stage I can't remember what all the bloody perks do :).
When 2v8 goes away I'll prolly not play as much anymore. It's like eating a T-bone steak and now going back to hamburger helper
I believe the main reason that is so fun and refreshing and I truly love this mode is that you go against base game killers that you haven’t seen in a long while due to mass popularity of Skull Merchants, Blights, Unknowns and Chucky killers with Gen Stalling meta perks that we can all appreciate the chase you go against a lot more in 2v8
i feel like bhvr could turn the game into, Default mode is active at all times (4v1), and every month it has a 2nd mode active that rotates with others and is more fun focused rather than competitive focused
Been saying that for a while, thank you. Doesn't even need to be a month, could be weekly like Heroes of the Storm used to do
They've literally been doing this. The last one was chaos shuffle and before that my little oni. The only difference is that more work was put into 2v8 since they plan it to be a permanent mode in the future
@@Namelessstew that wasnt intentional nor announced as the plan, it just so happened to work out that way (at least as far as i know)
6:45 I think the easiest and simplest way to fix this problem is to just make 2v8 a permanent mode. Then the 60% get what they want and the 40% still have what they want.
It's also incredibly eye-opening and downright shocking how 2v8 seems to unintentionally solve almost every long-running problem in dbd. It's crazy. Here's a short list.
-Tunneling, having the cages move makes it harder to tunnel off hook, and having 8 players means tunneling one of them out is way less advantageous.
-Camping, can't camp if the cage moves, limiting killers to proxy camp, which is less effective overall with 8 players, on top of proxy camping being less good compared to normal camping. So it effectively fixed two of, if not the biggest, problems in dbd, practically overnight and with no effort. 2v8 never intended to fix anything, but somehow tackled and defeated two of dbd's biggest issues. It's wild!
-Stress on both sides, much less stressful as killer with a friend, and just way more fun, to be honest. And it's way less stressful as surv with 7 other people pulling for you. It makes the game go from this sweaty solo comp feeling to cracking open a cold one and just playing some games with my buddies. I've had friends who hated playing killer because of it being too comp/sweaty/stressful try this mode and love playing killer. I've had friends who don't even like dbd try surv with 7 other people and love it cause now if they suck and die it doesn't get them flamed in the endgame chat for turning the game into a 3v1.
-Overpowered perks/builds, the class system takes a big shit all over BHVR's biggest concern every patch, which is perk balance and over usage of certain perks. The class system gets rid of all that. 2v8, coming through again, seemingly balanced the whole game, again, overnight.
And again, this is just a short list of some of the more major issues. It's not even mentioning some of the smaller known issues like dbd being pay to win, because you need to get all the perks and killers to compete or stuff like having to grind the bloodweb effectively being gone because of 2v8. 2v8 doesn't require you to go to the bloodweb at all if you don't want to.
2v8, honestly, feels like what the game should have been all along. I haven't played dbd this much in months and after 2v8 is gone, I expect to go back to that. I think after seeing 2v8 in action and what it has done and what it can do, I think BHVR need to sit down and have a very serious meeting about the mode.
A point I want to add in regards to the effectively no mmr system for this gamemode is that playing good feels very rewarding (for example hitting an amazing curve on billy or running one of the killers for a minute plus) but playing good doesn't feel "necessary". In regular DBD it can feel like "I HAVE to play well or else I'm screwed" which is not as present in 2v8 and that personally has really felt enjoyable
One of the big reasons its less stressful is because when you have 8 players on your team, your individual performance is less impactful on the outcome of the game than when you're 1 of 4 players on a team. This is why in TF2, with 16 players per team, you can have one or two players completely goofing off and still have a good chance of your team winning any game mode.
One of my issues for 2v8 is that I genuinely think there's an absurd amount of aura reading. Trying to sneak off and recover is damn near impossible half the time survivor side. Scouts casually delivering aura reading on the killers. Gens popping and revealing you. A gen is kicked and you're revealed. There's so much that it generally removes the concept of stealth which is a bit annoying. There's a reason why survivor has such a big bonus still and I genuinely think the aura reading is a part of it.
Yeah, I laughed when he said that the only problem was that Runner is a bit too strong. Maybe it is, but there is no way you can nerf survivor in 2v8 without tweaking the absurd amount of aura reading killers get just for breathing.
@@Ghangis24 Giving the killers a whispers ability instead of aura reading would be a nice change. Lets them not waste time while also giving the survivor a chance to hide.
Stealth is one of the WORST things about DBD. Hiding rats is the least fun thing survivors can possibly be. Aura reading promotes chases so go enjoy the chases and chaos of it all.
@@thedoomslayer5863 When you're injured and want to slip away to heal up just to get revealed? Trying to mind game in a chase just for a reveal? There's times that aren't just fully hiding away all the time where the sheer amount of aura reveal is frustrating.
I also acknowledge that this isn't a popular opinion but I'm one of the few survivors that really enjoys the stealth aspect of the game because taking considered movements and reading where the killer would look to avoid being spotted in the first place is my favorite thing. I also have some enjoyment in the searching as killer too but I acknowledge that fully as my minority opinion.
@@coolpizzacook At least you can look beyond yourself to see the majority hate the rat playstyle. Good on you.
As for the first part of your comment, think of it more as what it is, a chaotic fun party mode. If your aura gets revealed mid chase leading to you getting downed so what. There's 7 other people to take aggro and killers dont know where you got uncaged from. Some dumb moments are bound to happen but thats the nature of the mode and why most like it.
Know that either side has their spam of aura reading and take a step back and enjoy it casually. You'll ruin the mode for yourself if you take it too seriously and try to think of it in a "comp" mindset.
I've been playing since there were only 3 killers in the game, and all I can say is:
*THIS IS THE BEST VERSION OF DEAD BY DAYLIGHT FOR TOO MANY REASONS*
They'd be foolish to not make it a permanent mode in the future. The day of 2v8 release, Dead by Daylight almost beat its peak player count on Steam.
I think the 2v8 problem is a bit heavier too. It's *so* good, that it's actually driving people to play DbD less, since the queue times are so unbareable. I enjoy it a lot, but none of my mains are available in 2v8 (Hag, Twins), so when I do want to play regular 1v4, I'm struck with the same 30+ min queue... so I just don't play for the day. What a crazy novel problem BHVR find itself in.
2v8 is so much better so it makes sense
Dude i would prefer to play 1 v 4 i actually dont like 2 v 8 . But there incentivizing all survivors to play it with the 400 percent . I can guarantee you i would not be playing that mode without the bonus blood points . 100k a game is to hard to pass up
@@jilujoilujiut2165You couldn't be more wrong. Most people are in love with this mode and not for the bonus bp. Lol.
Scott completely misunderstands what's going on here, I suppose he's letting his own bias cloud the reality. As he said, survivor queue times are instant. This does not simply mean "because this mode is more popular". Because 2v8 has the same ratio of killers to survivors, instant survivor queues show that people are not nearly as interested in playing as survivor in this mode. THAT'S the problem. Scott says he likes survivor in this mode more, but that is NOT the average opinion. Without carrying, survivors have less to do (no offensive play to save others, no palleting while pick up, no flashlighting, no bodyblocking, etc), there's not as much feeling of accomplishment when you run a killer, and without perks, there is less room for customization and variety. Killers lacking perks doesn't hurt as much because they have the new mechanic of working together, but survivors have no new mechanic -- only less. Once I finished the 2v8 tomb, I was completely uninterested in playing as survivor in 2v8, because there's barely a new experience to be had.
I had fun with killer in 2v8 like everyone else has, but once completing the tomb, I personally don't find the queue time to be worth the wait. I'm glad this mode is going offline in a week, and I'm glad Behavior is going to work on it. I look forward to more killers and to see the tweaks they're going to make -- but the elephant in the room is that Behavior is going to have to figure out is how to make playing survivor more fun in 2v8. You can't remove mechanics from a role that already leans toward repetitive, without adding anything new for that role.
Stick gen, killer chases you off of it, you get to a pallet, they drop chase and go after someone else. If you’re lucky you’ll have a killer stick chase with you and you get to actually play the game. That repeats until you die or live.
I said the mode is more popular because the ORIGINAL game queue times are also significantly worse. Every other alternative game mode we had did not have this issue, thus its a logical conclusion that more people are playing 2v8 overall, even with the obvious killer imbalance. Killer queues are like 5x as long in 1v4 as well, which does not agree with your claim. If it were true, killer queues would be instant in 1v4 because no killer wants to play that mode when 2v8 exists. Obviously I don't have the data but what other conclusion could I come to with the queue times? You are also basing your "average opinion" off of what? I at the very least polled Twitter, where is your data from?
Fully agree.
Survivor isn't fun to me so I only play when friends ask me to, I've basically dropped the game altogether because I don't want 15min queues for 2v8 killers and 1v4 doesnt seem to have many games currently going either.
I'm curious if this is either killer bias or just dbd burnout that I haven't reached yet with my measly 250h.
For years I've always thought the general opinion was "chase is the most fun", well have fun being tag-teamed by a nurse huntress duo I guess.
I completely agree with you and was also a bit confused how Scott did not realize this.
@@philipmrch8326 Brother he just wrote a reply explaining his opinion 2 minutes before you commented
2v8 is gonna be dbd’s version of sparrow racing league from destiny, I don’t think anyone is gonna stop wanting it
my experience playing survivor:
the solo queue times for 2v8 was quite literally 2 seconds
queueing for normal? solid 5 minutes!
2v8 is fun because in the normal 1v4 dbd, it’s been powercreeped so much that doing anything outside of the objective is considered a throw. It’s either just gen rushing as survivor or camp/ tunnel as killer, so it’s not as fun for either side.
2v8 removes a bunch of the bs that 1v4 had like some of the perks, gen rush and camp play styles
What I don't get is why they don't let us 2v8 in customs. It is so fun I wouldn't mind playing without gaining bp.
Hell, imagine if they did a rotating event thing. Something like 2 weeks chaos shuffle, 2 weeks 2v8, 2 weeks whatever, but let us play these any time in custom. Not only would it keep the game modes fresh/exciting for live servers but would keep people that just want to play with friends happy.
As fun as 2v8 is i just can't wait for it to leave. Having 10+ minues queue on both 1v4 and 2v8 is horrendous. Killer needs a flex option for 2v8 asap .
I cant wait for 2v8 to end even though i do love it. I cant even get into a regular killer game within 10 minutes, and im not playing 2v8 killer because im not waiting 20 minutes to play a 5 minute game. had to take a break from dbd until its over sadly
I think this game mode is really healthy for the game. One more point in my opinion is, that trolls have it way harder now. In a normal game, when you have one guy trolling as survivor, the match is basically lost. In 2v8 this one guy is just dying quickly and the game is still winable for the rest of the survivors.
Solo-queue Survivor main here:
The chaos can be fun/silly, but it's really hard to feel like anything I'm doing ultimately matters. Toolboxes and flashlights you find are pretty much useless (especially after gens are done). Since there's no pick up mechanic, pallets are only useful for chases, which might not matter if both Killers are on you. You really need everybody to gen rush at the start, or else it feels difficult/impossible to make an escape. Or it's the total opposite and the Killers just seem too uncoordinated/new.
I ultimately feel like I do in 1v4, only now, I have more gens to rush (because all those Escapists and Scouts aren't touching them), less control over how I can evade and escape (especially with so many aura reveals), and the only compliement I can give is that at least the matches are over relatively quickly (which isn't fully a compliment in my opinion, but some 1v4 matches can go on for a whiiiile).
Good content! Definitely a mode for Killer mains and their pals!
I am absolutely sick to death of the sweatlord dullards proxy-camping & tunnelling ppl out at 5 gens, not to mention facing the same tedious meta builds over and over. Oh and selfish teammates giving up on hook straight away.
So this mode is a breath of fresh air for me. It's less stressful, more eventful, and it sidesteps a lot of the toxic shit in the main mode.
Thats kinda the point I feel. One survivor matters less but as a team its just the same. Its not quite a hide and seek but a constant chase and tag, brings out the high octane fun of the base game. Also having 7 other survivors means after you been hooked most likely the killer wont focus you because they dont know where the hell you are.
@@ManlyOBeeferton Agreed. 2v8 is the superior mode clearly.
The thing is, stuff like BP and shard incentives are, in the end, just band-aid fixes.
The main problem lies in the fact that killer is just so much more fun than survivor. Killer in 2v8 offers a completely unique experience, while for survivor it is still too similar to the regular mode.
Heck, even the classes can pretty faithfully be recreated using perk builds.
To combat this in the long term, they have to change up the survivor gameplay more, give it a unique twist, too, aside from literally just more of the same. Maybe a different objective, more unique classes that cannot be achieved with perks normally, etc.
bhvr actually said recently in a q&a that they were looking into reworking gen repair mechanic to make them more interactive. hopefully we get something like this!
They could add something like a hacking mini-game (add a motherboard and some wires to the gen model or something), and if you perform a successful hack, you affect the killer in some way.
They get Blindness for a bit, or their auras are revealed to everyone for a few seconds, or their inputs are momentarily swapped :).
So you'd be making the gen progress (not as much as normal), but you'd also be helping out any teammate in a chase.
The only reason why I still play 1v4 are the killers but once they add more and more to 2v8 there is no real reason to play it anymore.
It’s so interesting to me to see this happen, cuz I don’t think I’ve seen that happen in any other multiplayer game. Granted DBD is very different from most other multiplayer games, but still. Like I used to play a ton of Halo, and they would always add in like wacky, chaotic party modes, or even just slightly crazier stuff like Big Team Battle, but none of those ever detracted from the main game mode *this much*. People still played the standard game mode religiously, so it’s genuinely crazy to me to see people ditching the regular game for the new toy in such massive droves.
This really feels like a party game now. 2 vs 8 is so much better than I expected.
not only is it less stressful, it is also so much simpler. Like, there's four different survivor perk layouta and five killers. Nothing else for either side to learn or memorize.
I really want a roguelike mode to be the de-facto 'casual' mode. Escape From Tarkov had major problems with power-scaling that lead to people with the best items stomping everyone without, and I believe its the same problem here.
DBD matches are so heavily skewed by what each side brings to the match, and with the assumption that the other side is bringing the sweatiest perks and items, why would you ever make a fun build, especially since all perks are free to use once you actually get them and you most likely have thousands of the best addons and items? A roguelike mode would add the 'reset' that makes having a fun build rewarding by not being guaranteed to go up against the meta every match.
My issue with the mode is that survivor feel too barebones since we can’t go for saves with pallets, flashlights and toolboxes. We just have to do gens, heal and chase, it’s get boring after a while.
I would love to see a new permanent game mode that utilizes the 2v8 concepts in a 1v4 setting. The cage mechanic, the classes rather than perks. No items, addons, or offerings. Every killer with 4 basic abilities revolving around their specific power. Maybe a couple more class options for survivor.
oh you are saying just create a whole another game basically. Despite dbd being huge success as it is. Brilliant! Def a risk worth taking!
They make money from dlcs mostly for perks. Getting rid of perks for classes would be a disaster to their bottome line.
@@cromaniac96 They already did that with 2v8.
please god no, i don't want to be forced to be the gen cuck build cuz my 3 teammates joined before me and took the other classes first
While I'm super happy for BHVR to be trying to mode and this being a success, I personally only liked 2v8 as a brief little mode as survivor. I'm mostly a Killer player and I really do prefer to play and pace of normal DbD Killer games, and playing as such means I'm obviously a solo player so I don't have friends to queue for in 2v8 so I haven't even bothered with 2v8 Killer (though hearing how bad the queue times are I feel like I dodged a bullet).
I played like 5 games of solo survivor on 2v8 and now really just want to play normal DbD again as Killer, but queue times are so long I have to play a whole other game (or like sort Magic cards) while in queue; it's not about the BP, I miss fast queues to play this game when I want to play a match.
Again, glad the mode is doing well, but currently I'm looking forward to it being over so I can have my normal queue times again for standard DbD that I like playing.
Hey Scott guys here
One of my favorite parts about 2v8, it feels like people are less angry at each other. SO AWESOME!!! Love it when everyone's nice to each other
One of my biggest takeaways from this (apart from your points which I think are good) is that I think the class system is FAR better than perks on survivor. Even though it would never happen, I'd want to see classes replace perks pretty much in general. They're far easier to balance, far easier to explain and use as a beginner, far easier for killers to understand mid match, way less pay to play/win too. Perks are clearly impossible for BHVR to get right, but I can imagine this game with 10+ classes instead of 100+ perks being WAY better.
Why would people buy new survivors released. Financially, BHVR would never do that.
No.
I LOVE this mode so much. Online Multiplayer games have been 90% if not more of what I've played in the last 15 years but as I get older, I don't want to deal with the intense stress of these games as much. I switched a year ago from Apex Legends to Dead by Daylight for this exact reason. DBD is less stressful. And yet, here I am taking breaks constantly from DBD to get away from the stress. And then here comes 2v8, where there's almost comparably so much less stress on both killer and survivor side and I LOVE it! I love it so much. It's so much less stressful. It's so chaotic. It's so fun. I tried to go back to 1v4 and I hated it. I played 1 match and threw because I didn't want to deal with the stress and went straight back to 2v8. 2v8 is great and I like the ideas you presented for why this mode is so much more fun because I totally agree.
And its so much better for BOTH sides too. 2v8 is by far the better mode.
My fav 2v8 killer is surprisingly Trapper because you start out with pressure and while I go around setting up my traps my fellow killer is applying pressure.
I wouldn’t mind if 2V8 was the only game mode, it’s so much more fun and less stressful.
I hope to see more killer options in the future though.
I think one particular mechanical component of 2v8 that is helping its popularity is its automatic Pyramid Head style cage system. That system is a win-win. For killers it means a lot less time spent carrying survivors to hooks and it eliminates the nuisance of being cautious to avoid flashlight and pallet stuns when picking survivors up. And on the survivor side it means there is a lot less incentive to leave survivors slugged on the ground for extended periods and when you get caged you’ll be far away from that killer which incentivizes them to go chase someone else afterward rather than pseudo patrol your hook.
It almost makes me wish 1v4 just used this system instead of the normal carry to hook method. Of course taking that out does eliminate things like backpack builds and makes flashlights less fun for survivors who like them, but I suspect that in balance overall the game might be fun using the instant cages and that tradeoff would be mostly positive for the game. That said, it would be a TON of development work to implement that it 1v4 because it would require a big overhaul of a lot of perks and some abilities, etc, so even if the devs agreed that it could be a useful 1v4 feature it probably wouldn’t be worth the time and effort to do unfortunately. 🤷♂️
Lmaooo thats literally the reason why theres not enough ppl on surv. Not being able to go for a flash/pallet/bang/sabo save makes survivor experience hella stale after a while. Your take is full of copium
@@jonathann4813 Wow you are dense. That is not the reason at all child. Everyone wants to duo killer even if they dont have a friend to duo with. That's why not enough are playing surv. That is the only reason. The only thing that makes 2v8 stale is not enough killers are playable so it leads to many samey matches. What a horrible take.
@@thedoomslayer5863 that is definetely not the only reason but ok buddy
@@jonathann4813 cope. 2v8 most popular update since RE cope.
i think that aspect makes survivor in 2v8 kinda suck.Takes all altruism out of the game
It would be a radical departure, but we could possibly fix 1v4 in a similar way.
Increase the number of generators from 5 to 7
Increase the number of hooks before death from 3 to 4
Reduce the effectiveness of slowdown perks.
Reduce the effectiveness of gen speed perks.
Toolboxes can't be used on generators anymore, but can sabotage hooks
On hook, randomize the survivors location so that camping and tunneling is improbable. Move the survivor again if the killer stays too close to the survivor after they've been hooked twice in a row
Basically, the goal is to reduce the impact of any individual chase or gen loss by giving more of both. 2v8 is generally less stressful because each interaction is lower impact, slugging, tunneling and camping literally don't exist and the perks aren't all gen speed or chase related. 2v8 accidentally fixed all of DBD's issues, but some of that magic could be replicated I think by at least attempting to reduce the impact of any individual chase or hook state, and making sure that tunneling and camping are very rare
It's more fun on killer but I feel it's far less engaging as survivor. Guide only giving a benefit to other people on gen feels unrewarding. I feel you always want 4 escapists and I'm sad you can't save your teammates in any way whatsoever. It's less stressful but less rewarding I can only play a couple matches and then I go back to normal queue and cycle through different build themes.
Ive been going through my challenge backlog because there's alot more survivors to down, gens to kick survivors to chase, gens to finish and trials to escape. Some of these challenges that require multiple matches can now be completed in one
They could make the 1v4 mode the "ranked" mode of dbd while the 2v8 becomes casual. 1v4 would have more strict MMR but also has greater rewards. Perhaps you get irri shards every 13th based on your 1v4 rank instead of just blood points for your casual 2v8 rank.
I fear that the queues would greatly suffer for it though. Even if they straight up remove MMR from 2v8.
@Antarctide increasing the killer variety would go a long way to help as well. Since duplicate killers aren't allowed it cuts down the available lobbies. More killers means less chance of duplicates so you have a greater lobby selection to pull from.
Its the lower amount of variance.
5 killers, like 5 maps, no perks, no offerings no items.
Flashlight saves and pallet saves are not possible hence less reason to not be on a gen hence more reliable gen progress during a game.
To be honest, 2v8 is just a superior game, design wise.
it’s too early to say that people enjoy 2v8 more than the classic DBD Mode. Yes the pure chaos in 2v8 is fun, but on the other hand 2v8 also takes away a lot of the strategic depth of the core mode and therefore a win feels less meaningful. I think we should wait and see how this all develops before we draw conclusions this early.
Yeah I felt like my actions in 2v8 were far less meaningful to the outcome of the game and as someone who probably values winning a little too much, it was kind of irritating at times
I feel like this translates to I can't use the meta perks I normally do therefore gamemode is bad lol
@@yeahokay3806 well it’s far easier to „win“ in 2v8 than in 1v4. So a win feels less rewarding. 2v8 is a very casual mode which is totally fine. But for me personally it gets abut boring after a while. :)
The key to 2vs8 being more fun is that the biggest fundamental flaw of dbd was removed, the Hook mechanic.
adding more killers will make queues so much better, since you can't duplicate killers like Huntress is so overplayed to where other options will allow people to play more often and bringing more variety
Adding more killers would make queues worse. The people that play survivor but would love to play Wesker in it would convert to the killer queues if they dropped him in. That adds one person to killer queues and takes one from survivor queues. How does that help?
@derrian6969 the main problem here is duplicate killers, people play Huntress or Billy only and then wonder why they take 20 minutes to find a game
@@rileyp1506 every killer takes 15-20 mintues for a game. There is no difference
@@jeffw0824 I got 5 minute queues on Trapper and Wraith a lot. the better killers took much longer to grt games
I think once a survivor is downed they should immediately be caged without the killer having to stand over top of them and press space.
This would prevent slugging, make the game feel much faster pace on survivor, and prevent pretty much the only way for the killers to make the match miserable for survivors.
There's no full meta comp, there's no sbmm. So this is why this mod is amazing. Pure chaos
Survivors don't find it much fun. The one-sided queue times explains that. Super fun for killer. I think most people play surv for that 400% bp though.
@@derrian6969 I played 5 hrs as surv today and had more fun then for the last 2-3 years. Finally I don't see blight and wesker each second game, and same 4-5 perks
Yeah I sure as shit have more fun as survivor, just because I don't have to deal with camping, tunnelling (at least nowhere near as much), tedious slowdown builds like Plaything & Pent, teammates giving up on 1st hook etc.
@@derrian6969 I normally hate playing survivor but in 2v8 its actually fun. Many like it, judging by the Q times even for 1v4 I'd say MOST like it.
It's not a solution for 2v8, but if implemented, I could see this taking some of the stress out of the main mode, and thus alleviating the load on 2v8 a bit--Video Horror Society had a mechanic where its perks had a point value, and each character had a limited points budget they could use to make their build. Adopting a similar system in DBD could help a lot in dealing with some of the balance issues surrounding killers with very oppressive powers, like Nurse and Blight. Assign a higher point cost to stronger perks and those with particularly nasty synergy with already-powerful killers, and give the higher-tier killers a lower perk budget.
This could also make on-the-fly balancing easier by allowing BHVR to tweak the numbers in response to broken perk combos being discovered when reworks aren't immediately possible.
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oh hell naw the AI bots found Scott
buh
Thank you for the info
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I’m okay with how the game mode is now, but I would love to see more classes being added in the future. Like booning, being able to take hits as a survivors, or chest/item focused class for survivors. Hag could have a hex focus playstyle, doc revealing everyone with static shock, clown having really large after tonic cloud spaces with different debuffs.
Be careful what you wish for. I’m glad this mode is limited time. Don’t make it permanent. There clearly aren’t enough active players to sustain both modes, so DBD as a whole will suffer if the killers favour 2v8 and survivors eventually get bored and want to play against other killer characters.
Yeah, the queue times really kill the mode for me. The fact that the queue times are also bad in 1v4 is a pretty big problem. I usually play this game once a week with a friend of mine, but last week we weren't able to get into a single killer game in either mode. If they can't fix the queue time problem, I'd rather never seen this mode in the game again.
2v8 is also amazing for doing Tome challenges, especially some of the harder "do X in one trial" ones. I've been flying through my challenges since this dropped
I think the lack of RNG is really important too, the "perks" in 2v8 are all fairly balanced unlike the base game, addons don't exist, most of the killers and maps(?) are unavailable, so the gap between worst RNG (enemy has full meta build and got a good map) and best RNG (enemy has garbage build and you got a good map) is way smaller
Best way to fix this IMO is as follows.
2v8 stays limited time but gets implemented into the game more often. Say one month on then 2-3 weeks off for improvements/ new killers being added. Every time it comes back they add 1-2 killers until we get to the point that all the killers are available to play. Once that point is reached they don’t remove the mode and now DBD has 2 modes. They get updated as new killers/etc drop. They need to add more maps and of course more classes on both sides as time goes so it stays some what fresh. Leave the perks out on 2v8 ALWAYS. IMO this would allow the transition of the new mode but not kill the main mode. With q times as is for the regular mode right now I’m not incentivized to buy the next killer because i won’t see them hardly ever. This is something BHVR knows as well. Which is why 2v8 is limited and likely needs to stay that way for awhile. Which is why I think the above plan is a good compromise to the alternative of losing the mode all together to a once a year in game event.
Thoughts on how the base game could improve based on this:
Cages are an excellent mechanic, allowing the killer to go back to playing the game while making it harder to camp/tunnel, and often putting survivors in an easily-unhookable position, letting them get back to gameplay. It would require substantial testing and tuning, but I honestly think it would help the base game be more fun to make this a more common mechanic - perhaps as a killer/survivor perk, or a map-dependent change/variant to the game, or even just an option for the killer to choose when they feel it's appropriate.
Part of what's enjoyable about the chaos is how often you reconsider and change what you're doing. Killers hate when survivors all just hide, survivors hate just sitting forever at a generator. In 2v8, your priorities are shifting pretty much nonstop. What I think I'd take from this to the base game is to make there be MORE instances of interaction, but to have each be less committal. I'm imagining a system where Survivors all have 3 hook-states before death instead of 2, there are 7 gens instead of 5, but generators and healing progress proportionally faster, and killers perhaps gain some kind of 'stalking' buff which increases their speed when no Survivors are nearby (a sort of reverse bloodlust, I guess. An 'impatience' mechanic). It acts like a whispers-type radar effect to help find survivors, and gets the killer moving from chase to chase quicker.
Overall, the goal I think is to try and retool the game to reduce downtime. Add mechanics that get killers spending more time chasing survivors, and which reduce the time that both sides spend stuck doing the 'chores' of gameplay.
Wouldn't increasing gen count increase 'chores' though. It seems like a good change. Think it'd be hard to implement.
Cage mechanic in 1v4 would be a wonderful idea. That alone would excite me to play it more.
Plague and oni are going to be a nightmare when they are available
League of Legends published that URF mode was extremely popular, but after it rotated out the playerbase for League of Legend's normal (and ranked) playerbase would actually diminish afterwards. So they made the decision to stop having URF show up because it was actually harmful to the normal game's playerbase to contrast the game with a more fun, less stressful game mode.
This is a very funny story to me.
I definitely think one of the solutions is just to, you know, switch the primary dev form of DBD to 2v8? It'd be a pretty insane workload to try to convert so much of the game to it, but hey. Skins will still sell. It'd be a monstrous workload to do inventory and rebalance for all the perks in the game though, but also maybe fun for the devs to try new things in a new design space? League had too much wrapped up in ranked/pro-scene to do a pivot, but also the pivot is both risky and immensely high workload?
I think it'd be cool though.
League still has URF every few months. It usually is the one that dwindles in playerbase after a while so that's why it rotates.
As for the permanent switch to 2v8, it's a fun idea but I'm not sure it's sustainable. Part of the reason the game is so stress-free is because it has no perks or maps no one dislikes. I'm not sure DBD could survive long-term without perks and thats ignoring the fact they've already been in the game since launch and been paid for by its entire playerbase, meaning they cant just get rid of them.
There are definitely some lessons they could take from 2v8 though. I think cages are an improvement from hooks (but maybe they don't move away from the killer once gates are powered), and no map offerings are also a welcome sight to most players (doesn't hurt there are no bad maps either, but they're not just throwing away RPD and midwich in the normal mode).
Just wanted to say that I was really liking the Elden Ring content. Would be cool if you cover each patch with analysis and showcase some build ideas.
I think making one perk (The strongest or most meta) locked to the specific survivor/killer it belongs to as base kit would help a lot in the way of stress. Because it makes the perks more readable by character, and prevents stacking the super meta second chance and slow down perks, and perhaps implementing the pyramidhead cages as base kit for the first hook stage to help with killer early game.
No.
@@dakota9821 agreed, this is a terrible idea. i don't want to see 4 billion megs running around
The lack of perks and hooks ruined the experience for me. I'd rather stay sweaty in 1v4.
i agree, the stress is the major part of it. 1 v 4 killer side is *insanely* stressful, if you slightly misplay you can lose like half the gens or the entire match. but 2 v 8 killer there's like 0 stress because the mode is way faster paced and any stress you do have is halved by having a teammate. i really hope they implement some mechanics from 2v8 into 1v4 to remove some of the stress.
Sorry but I’m gonna have to disagree here, the mode is insanely fun on killer but awful as survivor. There is zero gameplay except gens and waiting your turn to get two tapped. Taking perks from survivors limits gameplay far more than killers since they still have a power.
Imagine how cool it would be to save your teammate from getting pondered in shack because you have head on. Sadly the survivors have nothing to do in chase at the moment and it turns that gameplay into gens/heal simulator.
yea don’t really get the thought process behind scrapping perks entirely, they’d just have to decide what to do if two killers have the same perks, I don’t have an answer off the top of my head but still this would’ve been so much more fun if we could use our builds.
As someone who sucks at survivor I've personally had a lot of fun with the runner class in chase. The shorter cooldown on sprint burst and the bonus move speed while injured has made learning to loop much less frustrating and more fun/rewarding to learn. Also helps that you're up against 2 of the same 5 killers each game so I don't feel like I have to learn an entirely new character each time I load in.
Getting double tapped feels kinda bad I guess but I personally don't mind it since having 2 killers on you usually means your teammates are more likely to be getting stuff done elsewhere on the map. If it seems too killer sided as the game mode progresses though they could always implement some sort of mini 1-3 second endurance effect after getting your first hit. Admittedly though the other half of why I'm playing survivor so much is the bloodpoint bonus so giving the other classes something more interactive to do wouldn't be a bad idea (stealth mode button for Scouts, insta heals/For the People for Healers, etc.)
definitely disagree. i didnt really get 2v1'd that much and when it did happen i didn't care much because it usually meant there were a huge amount of gens being worked on. im pretty much constantly doing something as survivor in 2v8
I think survivor is still fun even though the options are more limited. You can still make certain plays as an escapist or try to split the killers up so it’s not easy to be two tapped, (or you can try to body block so the killers can’t easily two tap someone else). Or you can focus more on saving and healing as a medic. If going against trapper you can go and look for/disarm traps.
@@ScottJund different experiences I suppose. My 2v8 as survivor is usually staring at a gen till both come along and pincer you at the first loop you come across, because of this survivors have won a lot because the killers aren’t playing optimally but they are having fun whilst I’m bored as hell.
The worst part is going to be when 2v8 goes away and 1v4 doesn’t adapt any of what makes 2v8 great and everything just goes back to the way it’s always been, and all you have is a memory of how good things were
I wish I could have found a single iota of joy playing the 2v8 mode but I couldn't. Just ain't for me.
totally agree. i tried several games for survivor and whether or not i got out or not, just didn’t feel fun to me lol
I think survivor is boring compared to 1v4, but playing kwf is fun.
playing solo or with friends?
@@theopendoorev either. I almost always duo, but there's more variety in every single aspect of the game in 1v4, and the weight and actions of an individual hold way more merit than in 2v8.
@@shoshanaisarose The majority of positivity about the mode is from the killer side.
Queue times for killer are now 4 mins or less, since about August 1st.
Excellent video, scott. I enjoyed it wholeheartedly.
Edit: Upon actually finishing the video, I've come to the conclusion that dbd might have actually killed the regular mode and the game will be dead if they actually get rid of it in about a week
Can confirm I will not be returning to 1v4 after 2v8 is gone. I had no interest in 1v4 for years now and removing 2v8 won’t change that.
Chaos shuffle, 1v4 and 2v8 all permanent. I have a dream!
i would just only allow 2v8 on weekends. So it doesnt affect normal queues during weeks.
I wouldn’t underestimate the 400% bonus for survivor as a driver. There are a number of problems for survivor side that have to be worked through and 3 days in it was less fun. For example, killers can run clockwise through the map together and just mow the lawn to an 8k. Also, third to last survivor getting slugged and camped is quite common. Huntress is so OP, she is in 90% of matches as well.
They should replace 1v4 hooks with the stomp cages. They never will because of all of the hooking archives and perks centered around hooks, and because they're lazy. They built a whole lot on top of a very imperfect foundation, and 2v8 showed how much better the game could be if they rebuilt some things from the ground up.
Cages would just make the game stupidly easy for survivors. Even if there weren't perks built around hooks on both sides I don't see how it would miraculously make the games balancing any better. It would be amazing for solo queues but as someone that SWFs most of the time this would just remove skill based interactions from the game while making it brain numbing levels of easy. Maybe if they reworked the entire game to accommodate to cages it'd be okay but throughout that process they definitely kill the game.
@Racc-Kun_YT "Skill based interactions" like going down under a pallet and calling it out to your buddies? Like body blocking a hook? Like getting a flashbang save while the killer is staring at a wall? Like getting a flashlight save with background player? Like skillfully sabotaging a hook, which they just made easier? Maybe you mean skillfully wiggling out with a perk that makes it easier? Or do you mean skillful interactions like a killer deciding whether or not to camp a hook for a trade? None of that is good for the game. Survivors have plenty of resources on maps to win games without the ridiculous hook denial meta. Killers can win without camping. The game would be more fast paced and less tedious if the killer could go from chase to chase and didn't always have the option to make any unhook a headache.
@@prkrdp If you lose hooks to any survivor based play then that is because of a skill issue. You just sound like you're whining with every example you give. Cages would 100% be a good change for survivors in every way imaginable at high level play. If survivors are chasing you around for saves they aren't doing gens which is a good thing for you as the killer, with the cage mechanic they will have nothing to do but sit on gens. It would make the gameplay loop for survivors insanely boring in the process but I don't see cages being good for killers when so many players already whine about "gen rushing".
stomp cages take all the altruism out of survivor. No saves etc. It makes survivor stale af
@@prkrdp thats pretty much a majority of the fun in survivor. working as a team ya dunce. If its stomp cages its just boring gen simulator and everyone just stays on them and there is nothing to do. As a killer youd lose almost every match.
They should make a mode where both sides have a preset loadout because that's probably the reason why this gamemode is so popular right now, it could be a ranked mode if they balance it well enough
The 2v8 mode has pretty much convinced me we need DBD to split into a "Competitive" mode and a casual one. Going back to 1v4 feels like a huge sweatfest in comparison.
Make that mode competitive, add a public "rank", and then let people go crazy and have fun in the casual mode.
indeed
2v8 feels like normal 2016 2019 days chill and fun games 😂
I disagree. 2v8 may be very fun for killers, but its miserable for survivors. The most fun part of being a survivor is getting chased by the killer, outsmarting them and winning mindgames. You can't really have that in 2v8 cuz you constantly get two-tapped and demolished cuz you physically cannot deal with two killers at once. There is no outsmarting or mindgaming involved. You just die. Factor in the fact that another incredibly fun part of survivor gameplay is removed in this mode (that being pallet/flashlight/flashbang saves since the killers can insta-cage) and 2v8 basically becomes a gen-repairing/healing simulator where you are unable to communicate with your teammates because everything is so chaotic.
Sometimes i forget scott is an actualy good huntress player
2v8 is the start of DBD2 and we can't change that. Acceptance is the first stage.
I think a big part of it is that people forget this is a game in 1v4 and try way to hard but it’s difficult to take 2v8 seriously, just like you said, people are always saying the game is killer sided, the game is survivor sided, people just need to accept that you win some and you lose some and just try to have fun with it more than constantly being so try hard.