Tim the main reason these trucks are so tall now is because they have raised the body up higher, so the floors are almost flat. The older generations trucks had a huge transmission tunnel for the trans and the drive shaft aka the hump as we use to call it.
Yeah I have a 2001 Ram 2500 (second gen) , it has 3500 rear suspension, and 2” coil spacers on the front to level the truck out with the beefier rear end, and 35” tires, my roof line is at the same height as all new modern 1500’s but I have nearly a foot more ground clearance. All new cabs are more upright, and taller for more headroom, making the truck seem a lot taller then it actually is, yet the frame is so much lower.
@gordon borsboom I would say yes because you have a choice on the console. The console is functional for the occupation of the cab. The trans tunnel is just an obstacle that the occupants have to deal with. In crew cabs the tunnel affects the rear seats also.
The key pad is a feature that I never thought I needed, until I had it. I use it most often when camping. Truck is locked, keys are in the trailer, type my code in, and just like magic the doors are unlocked. It’s not earth shattering, it’s just convenient.
I like that feature too. However, no way to get into the truck without a lock smith if the battery (or batteries) are dead. Good reason to install R2X - Remote Battery Post Terminals.
@@15Jeep I thought Ford has it too but my RAM has 2 battery sensors that monitor and if they get low it goes into battery saver mode so the power locks will still work.
That color is really slick. Jumping from the diesel to the 7.3 or any gas engine is a smart move. I know your fuel mileage is not amazing right now but the truck only has 500 miles. It still needs to break in. I am really not a huge fan of diesel trucks anymore. They are expensive to buy, expensive drive, and expensive to maintain. With Diesel being about $1.50 more a gallon where I am, it would take probably at least 200k miles of driving to offset the cost. Something you forgot to mention is you no longer have to ay for DEF and any expensive repairs related to the DPF(Not that you had a issue, yet). I can not believe Kelderman would not do the kit on a gas truck because of the exhaust. That is ridiculous since the exhaust system on a gas truck is smaller and less complex. If it really is only the exhaust, you could order the kit and have a exhaust shop do custom routing for you on the exhaust. Just a thought.
The 20" wheels and tires do not make the truck taller. The OD of the 17", 18" and 20" tires are all the same from the factory. The 20" rim is taller but the sidewall is lower, which results in a more stiff ride, but better control on the highway, with less load capacity (the air in the tire is what actually carries the load), and a much higher replacement cost later.
It would all depend on what tires were installed at the factory . Between the 18 and 20 inch tires from the factory options with 20 in installed the truck could sit 2 to 3 inches taller.
@@randalls5210 No true. going from 18 to 20 is only a 1 inch radius change. More importantly, it is the tire OD that matters. When I bought mine, the factory tires on the 17", 18" and 20" rims all had the same OD.
@@carperdiem8754 There is a very minor OD difference between the 18" and 20" combo. Most people are unaware that there is more variation in OD depending upon the brand of tire and the specific tire chosen. In a given size (275/70r18) one brand may be 33" OD and another brand 34" OD of the same size tire but different tread tire.
@@briangc1972 does ford use different brands on the two sizes? Coopers run a bit big at 33.4, but most are at 33.2. On the 20s the smallest AT tires run around 34.1. So still a small difference.
This is why I prefer my old 1995 F 250. Full length running boards. 7.3 diesel. Low bed rail height. Simple technology. Old reliable. Plus it’s hard to break things when you only make 200 hp.
Twin tanks... my dad's work truck was a 97 F350 7.3 5spd Std cab short wheelbase dually.. Had a steel flat bed on it and towed a 32ft goose neck trailer with a 1982 4400 JD and a Detriot diesel powered Herbicide spreader with chemical+100gal of water. pulled like a Freight train, still on the road now with well over 275,000 miles
I had the 1994 250 XLT 😊 till 2018.Chevy2500 with 8ft. leaf springs suck ass. I just bought a Ram with coil springs. WOW rides so great it crazy. Im about what works... not a brand.
@@crewdawg2008 actually it is because it will need a new radiator and it will need bulletproof a new head studs around 300,000 miles and the cost of all that will be about $6000
@@l8tapex yeah ram has been building better riding trucks since 94. I bought the first year of the new model ram and I had so much more horsepower on a better ride than my brand new Ford. I traded my Ford back in at the dealership and went and bought a ram and put 400,000 miles on that gas engine.
You're absolutely right about height. I did a major project that involved daily hauling of many small but heavy parts for 6 months. I have a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 and a 1989 GMC 2500. The Dodge is nowhere near as tall as your truck, but I ended up using the 89 GMC for almost all of the project because it was so miuch easier to load and unload. This is despite the fact the air conditioner didn't work in the summer! The newer trucks are not actually built to carry loads that are loaded or unloaded by hand, because there's no practical way to get items in or out. As you said, I think it's just a cool factor. We need trucks that actually work! If you're not happy now, wait until you're stuck with a government mandated electric truck that won't even pull a trailer for a hundred miles. That's a subject for another day and another video.
Good info about your decision. We switched from the F350 Super Duty Diesel to the 7.3 gasser this year too. We have few regrets. I like how quiet the truck is. I like how you can hear that exhaust note rumble when you are pulling heavy. Ours is the XLT and we really miss the leather seats and the center console. We actually did a couple videos on our channel of why we made the change and what options were “must have” for us. We tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel with ours.
Be interested to see what you (and Christy) think of the power running boards after using them for a few months. My initial reaction was like yours, but now I love them. They are the first running boards I have had that actually make it easier to get in and out of the truck because they lower to the correct height to step rather than leap! IMO, fixed running boards are too high to actually be useful. Great video - I agree that the truck market is ripe for disruption - the big three have gotten "comfortable" and they are all having huge reliability issues!
I would like to add that the power running board sits farther from the truck allowing you to use them to exit the vehicle. I find with the fixed running board on could only get the back of my foot at best on the running board and it usually slid off. I also think the power running board provides more protection for the truck as it is tucked under and up against the body where the fixed running board is mostly outside the truck area.
Great video, and I agree with everything on the new trucks. It makes it harder to buy new ones when older or flat bed trucks are more friendly to work out of. Thanks for the honest review.
Great review Tim. In my 40 years of driving (90% pickup trucks) with 30+ brand new vehicles because of high mileage driving, I have owned Chevy and Fords. Two years ago I took the plunge on a Ram 1500 Limited 4x4. I will never go back to Chevy or Ford. The ride quality and creature comforts are amazing on the Ram. Other than changing oil and tires I have spent $0.00 on any type of repairs. Good luck with your beautiful new truck!
@@TheTradosaurus the big 3 truck manufacturers have their issues. None of them are perfect. Ram is no worse than any of the other 2. Just different issues.
I have no complaints with my 2022 F350 7.3. I love it. It’s a beast. I have the same lime green trailer lol. I tow about 15,500 with mine no problems. I love the rumble coming out of the back. I have a MBRP on mine.
I had the chance to tow with a Ram 3500 dually that had the factory air suspension, the added stability was amazing, it should be standard on all heavy duty trucks. Another note Semi's also have leaf springs in tandem with their air suspension.
You just summed up why I love my 2021 Limited 3500. Air suspension and 2-stage engine braking makes the towing a breeze! Sure, I'd love a more modern trans, but under towing, the Aisin shines!
My uncle had a platinum F150. The automatic side steps are a nightmare for him. After heavy salt or even a little mad around the farm they would get stuck out or get stuck in or just not come out at all. After about five years the motor and the side steps were completely gone it was a very expensive fix. Automatic side steps are great when they are new but when they wear down they lock up.
I agree, mud and or snow build up can cause the power running boards to not function. That is reason why I set mine on the 2022 F350 7.3L 4WD Tremor to not deploy when the roads are snow packed or during mud season out west. In addition, I have a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Hard Rock and an older F-150 4WD. Very little salt is used on paved roads in the Rocky Mountain states. I know people who have 10 - 12 year old trucks and have never replaced the motors.
One very simple way to smooth out the ride on these 350/3500 series trucks is to lower the tire pressure when traveling unloaded. The ride is still stiff but it gets rid of a lot of the harshness.
Tim I went back to gas 2 years ago with my 3500 Gmc. Very happy with it. No it don’t pull as hard as Diesel but I’m not in a big hurry. Between cost of Diesel option being 10k, cost of fuel and maintenance couldn’t justify diesel. Don’t drive it everyday ,it just pulls. Figure my Mpg by hand and not seeing a big difference between gas and diesel. Pulling 13k (weight empty)5th wheel I’m getting 9mpg which I’m happy with. Height of truck I’m happy with as I need clearance as I do go off-road with a cabin in the middle of no where up north, and GMC have steps front and back so hooking gooseneck and 5th wheel is fine. Nice looking truck.
I always put my foot up on the back tire and pull myself up and over the bed side of my lifted 99 F350, but I guess I'm still a young feller that doesn't need running boards and bed side steps. Always interesting to hear what you have to say Tim! Real beauty of a truck that you have there.
My biggest complaint with the ride height on these new trucks comes into play when pulling goosenecks. I'm 6' 3" so reaching stuff isn't much of an issue for me but trying to get the trailer to ride level can be nearly impossible, especially on the older trailers. Then by the time you've got the coupler retracted far enough to level things out the clearance between the neck and the bed rails is down to nothing so you can only turn on a perfectly flat surface. Totally impractical if you're actually using the truck the way a truck should be used.
That’s the exact reason I’m staying with my 2016 f350. My horse trailer would only have one wheel on the ground behind the newer truck or have an inch of clearance.
My uncle bought a new 350 last year but his was a ,well I forget the correct term but with no bed on it. He had a custom aluminum bed with tool boxes an auxillary fuel tank built in. Well it sits way lower than my 2016. And yes both are 4x4 so there is an option for a new one that sits lower
I replaced the 2035 lb per side leaf springs with 3300 lb per side leafs from husky spring and upgraded my factory shocks to bilstein 5100 shocks and my truck now rides better than a half ton. The husky springs have more leaves and have a more gradual arch. No lift in height from stock but amazing ride and load handling improvements.
Heavier capacity springs, and stiffer valved shocks somehow makes the ride like a 1/2 ton, huh… must have been all that snake oil the springs were soaked in😂
@@robmd3851 actually they have 8 leaves I believe and they are not as stiff. Many years ago I remember in 4 wheeler them writing if you ever change leaf packs get the ones with more leaves because they will ride better. I was shocked actually. Figured it was going to ride awful. But my factory leaves had flattened out and it was beating me to death already so I tried it. I knew I needed more capacity because the flat bed I added was heavier. Turned out great. But it might have been the Pb blaster during install. 😂
The 3500 Rams leaf spring in the air ride suspension is mainly for locating the axle. Having ridden in one with air, there is a NOTICEABLE difference in ride quality. As far as truck height, remember that axles and frames and such are bigger. If you section the frame if your dad's truck and your truck, one is probably 3-4" taller. Plus you got 4wd... 2wd are shorter.
I definitely agree with trucks being to tall. With all the aftermarket options surely there’s something to improve the comfort for you. But for $80.000 you shouldn’t have to go to aftermarket. Overall the issues you have are good issues to have.
Love the videos, Tim. I’m sure someone beat me to it and I’ll only succeed in adding fodder to the GM/Ford debate, but my GMC half-ton’s 6.2 makes just a few hp/ft-lbs less than your 7.3 and routinely gets *measured* 19mpg unloaded and 12-13mpg loaded with 9klbs of bumper pull and Kubota L4060+implements. My electric fold-out running boards have a feature that slide them back to the rear tire to reach the bed. I use it quite often and have no complaints. Everyone has loyalties, but entertain options…
He would need a 3500 to tow his equipment. That would be the 6.6 gaser Heavier truck and larger engine would reduce the comparison advantage. GM put 6.5 liter non turbo Diesel engines in HD trucks way back in the 80’s, I think. Dog slow but economical. Mfg’s give us what they think we want coupled with what they can afford to do.
My 2018 lariat 250 does have keyless entry and push button start, I think it's part of the Lariat ultimate package so you don't have to go to a platinum just for that. in 2018 the only option the platinum had that was actually better IMO than the Lariat was the massage seat.
Tim I bought a step for my truck that hung over the back of the tire with a step in front of the tire. It was a great way to reach into the bed of the truck. The only issue with this step is forgetting it’s there and driving away and crushing it.
This was great Tim, it all resonates with me and my truck uses. I have the same observations even on a different brand. My biggest gripe is the price of new trucks -- while my truck does the job, at some point you can no longer talk about value because the trucks have gotten so expensive. But until consumers stop forking over the money, the manufacturers will keep charging high prices. These big trucks are extremely profitable and they know it.
All the dealers (all makes ) near me are all charging 10k over sticker! no way in hell would i pay that, i will keep running my current trucks. i would like to trade mt 2018 ram 3500 dually diesel for a new model but not for the crazy prices, no way!
Great review. I would think a reroute of the exhaust would be a simple fix. The air setup should work wether it’s gas or diesel just might need to modify the exhaust. I’m surprised they aren’t supporting the 7.3 as I’ve seen quite a few guys lately switching from diesel to gas. Regardless, very nice truck congrats!
Tim, you are 100% correct, Lower is Better for towing. Also 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks do NOT "Give" enough in the suspension to be a real "off road' truck. 16 inch rims is plenty tall enough, and gives you MORE side wall. Tires are PART of the suspension. .
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All of the fancy tailgates that trucks come with now look good upfront but I really wonder how well they will hold up in the long-term. So many moving parts I'm afraid they will be a maintenance nightmare, same thing applies to the power running boards! I do certainly agree with you about the high sides being a major pain and I really don't see any advantage to them!
AMP research makes the power running boards for his truck. You can get a switch installed that will leave them down all the time if you want. never heard of any real problems with any of the AMP research boards. I suggest you get some front wheel well mud flaps, that's should help take care of your rock problem.
One of the reasons the trucks have raised up is because the government required those new front bumpers that hang down lower to supposedly prevent hitting somebody from behind and climbing up there car. More government regulations for a negligible problem.
@@ictpilot The government didn't Req the truck to be raised. Yes, they Req the bumpers to be a certain maximum height above the road but if the truck hadn't been raised they would have needed to extend the bumper downward! Ford is the one that decided to raise the truck so that they had to put the lower bumper extensions on!
Hello again Tim. Thank you for your opinion. I’m probably the odd Duck out here. I used to keep my trucks 5-6 years, gave that up decades ago. My current rig was purchased new in 01. Yep, not a rust bucket beater either. Low mileage as well, because it’s a personal TRUCK. Not the grocery getter, or the look at me mobile. A tool that I maintain and have pride of ownership in. No Jones mobile, but I get tons of questions/comments on it. Never grossed over 16500 with it and trailer. Current trailering honest weight 14,700. Breadbox aerodynamics means 60mph if you expect 11.5 mpg or so loaded. Not something many will tolerate! At my age I have the time to not abuse the truck and maintain a speed that I can get there safely. 8th decade. A Boomer.
I really think the next big thing for these truck is air suspension so they can squat enough to be loaded. They are tall which is great for on road visibility and poor conditions, but loading is almost impossible.
Great video Tim. Congrats on the new truck. I have seen that in the Ford fleet Specs guides that I use where I can on certain models alter the weight ratings like you mentioned. I found that really Interesting, when you showed what happened to your cameras, I immediately thought that looked like what I would think looking through the back side of a cloudy headlight cover that had been sun etched would look like. Makes perfect sense that sun will eat away at the clear plastics on the headlight housings, that it would do the same thing on the clear plastic camera lenses housings. All be it for different reasons, I too buy the big Ford Godzilla gas motors in my business HD trucks. For me I buy diesel trucks for myself to use, but because I have seen in the past that many of my employee's that drive the trucks have no clue to diesel truck operations, much less all the emissions equipment. Almost guaranteed if I ordered those F450s we use with Diesels they would end up on hook because one of my people is bound to put either DEF in the diesel tank or Diesel in the DEF tank at some point. LOL The reason I still prefer diesel for myself is nothing really to do with fuel prices one way or the other. For the past few decades Diesel HD trucks have really held their value far and above about any other vehicles on the road. I recently replaced my 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel with a 2023 GMC 2500 HD diesel, and I got about 8K more out of my RAM then I paid for it 8 years ago. Even prior to Covid I would book check the value on that truck typically once a year just to see where I was at. That truck never booked more then 4K less then I paid for it. Due to Covid supply chain problems my old RAM brought a lot more than I ever dreamed it would. Generally, there is a substantial premium in used segment for the diesel option. Which when compared to gas residual values, the diesel always wins by pretty wide margin, typically enough to cover any added cost. With these new more powerful gas trucks of recent years I am going to be very curious to see how that and the high diesel prices effects the HD truck market over the next few years.
Tim, I agree that the trucks don’t need to be that high. Yes, there people who want them to be high off the ground. After market equipment is available for lift but there is no real option to lower and better ride. Great review!
They do actually have to be that high given the frame height. Look under the truck, there is the bare minimum of up travel as it is. Lower them and the up travel goes away and you just end up smoking bump stops
Hi, I own a 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3, and my doors unlock with the fob in my pocket. Only have to put your hand near the handle. Also has push start. Comes with the Lariat Ultimate package... Sorry you had to wait so long to get yours. I ordered mine Oct 11, 2021, it arrived on Dec 16 2021. Only 8 weeks! I also have the same color, with camel interior and love it. Good luck!
I'm 6'-3" and we've had trucks as long as I can remember (65yrs old). This newer generation started 'rising' it seems around 2001-2003. I had a '94 GMC that was slightly taller than my '83 that was a bit annoying but not outrageiously so. Our current '17 F150 KR is just ridiculous for an everyday driver. It was the same on our 2009 although it was a tad lower, I don't even look at the new ones. If not for the built-in tail gate step, it would be very difficult for me to get up in the bed as I'm aging. My wife wouldn't even try. The rational, from what I've read, is driven by government EPA rules. The truck builders get some sort of benefit/mpg 'factor' vs the CAFE standards based on vehicle size. Yea, there is likely some cool/competitive aspect between the big three, but it seems the EPA regs may be the biggest driver on this upward evolution. Typical government, creates a rule that unintentionally incentivizes building bigger vehicles that the general marketplace isn't really asking for.
I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck. Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck. If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway. I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can . Driving a Computer sucks in My Book... Mike M Central Wis.
I tried to purchase a Ford F350 or Chevy 3500 in 2020. I checked every dealer within 500 miles. The only trucks available were loaded models, with a hefty surcharge. On the last day of the year I bought a F150 XLT, for $9,500 under sticker, so 30-40k less than the F350s available at the time. It has the 3.5 Eco boost. So far I am totally satisfied. It's very comfortable, great mileage, and easily tows 10,000 lb. I'd like an EcoBoost in the 4.5 - 5 liter range for the superduties.
The review here is stated extremely well. You’re very practical. Thank you for your thorough review. I appreciate my half ton truck but can’t see spending more for the tows that I pull. People who are clamoring for more flat screens in their vehicles are looking at expensive repairs down the road. Yet that’s what the manufacturers are hoping for, throwaway the old and just buy another brand new.
It sounds like you should have waited for the 2023. It addresses many of the issues you mention with accessing the bed via side steps. Very nice truck you have there though. No truck is perfect but that Ford is about as close as you can get.
I love watching auto vehicle reviews on RUclips, but truck videos never fail to pIss me off immediately for how manufacturers rip off consumers with outrageously overpriced junk that's years out of date. You're right, it's not really an elective purchase in many cases and manufacturers know this.
My Dad just bought the 2023 , yes Platinum, he towed 12K lbs across states more than 8K miles, 360 camera got hit by a rock, he stopped at a dealership in N carolina, Dealer got a new camera free of charge , oil change and the works , yes free of charge, Man Loves his truck, He loves all the technology that came with the truck. Ford did hit the truck out of the ball park EXCEPT $82K
Hey Tim: well nice truck. I’ve got a F350 dually. I pull the gooseneck trailer and out 42ft fifth wheel camper. I can’t span the dually fenders for my chains so I need to drop the tailgate. Personally I think they are outrageously over priced. My late father always said that the more gadgets you have, the more there is to break. Oh so true.
I discussed price paid. I believe the bubble worked to my advantage….on the trade in side. Furthermore, I got Dec 21 pricing even though the sticker showed Oct 22 pricing. Prices rose $5000 during the year…and I avoided those price hikes.
@@TractorTimewithTimhave you looked into Liquid Springs for your suspension upgrade? They do most suspensions on heavy vehicles such as Ambulances. I tried looking to see if they offered something for the 7.3 but couldnt find something right off. Maybe you could offer to do a video with them because I’d be interested in that!
I will also add. I think the 20 inch rims with lower sidewall tires ride rougher. Then the 18 inch rims with the higher sidewall tires. More flex with more sidewall height.
I agree with you on the high suspensions. Add to that gimmicky things like flared fenders, fake bolts in the body features, etc. All junk to make it look tough. I had a 1991 F250. Height of truck was way better and it had none of the macho crap. And you know what? The bed held 2900lbs, just like F250s today. Back then F150 F250 and F350 all looked very similar. Today the 250 and 350 are way larger but do not carry more than my 91. Towing is better... Fortunately today they haven't started adding gimmicks to power tools. If Milwaukee ever starts making their drills macho-ized...lord help us. If HD pickups were lower, used same efficient body style as F150, no 20 inch wheels, they would ride better, corner better, and get better mpg. 20 inch wheels also have a lot less cushion for rough roads.
How are the fenders flared on a newer F250 Super Duty compared to 1986 - 1991 Ford F250 or 1992 - 1997 Ford F250? What is a "fake bolt"? The plastic item that most mechanics call a "christmas tree"? Since 2017, the Super Duty has virtually the same body as the F150. The cab is identical. The doors are interchangeable. The exterior sheet metal on the doors, front fenders, hood and pickup box is different along with different sizing of the pickup boxes.
@Two45s The super dutys diverted from the F150 in a major way years ago. They got way larger but payload in the bed stayed the same. You can't possibly think that's not marketing. ? Fake bolts - Just look around at all the flared fender and plastic body styling features on trucks. They have fake bolts molded into the plastics. That is marketing. Same as the grills on super duties. They got way larger vs the half ton years ago. No functionality there btw. Marketing to guys. That's all it is. I could go on and on but don't have time for this anymore.
@@WisconsinDIYGuy Yes, I agree with you in part. Ford realized the value in making the Class 1 (F150) quite different in style than the Class 2 (F250) and Class 3 (F350). Tha alone is a function of marketing. Ford introduced a new style F150 in 1997, the same year for the new Expedition...both used many of the same parts. However, I disagree with you in other ways. It is not all marketing as you stated. The first model year for the Super Duty was 1999. Payload capacity has improved since the introduction. The F250 and F350 Super Duty trucks have more payload capability than the previous Ford F250 and F350 Heavy Duty trucks. Ford Super Duty rear spring architecture, design and engineering has improved along with larger rotors, calipers and pads compared to the older Ford Heavy Duty. Finally, it is not the marketing department at Ford that is responsible for using lower cost parts.....it is the accounting department. In addition, larger grilles do have a function and purpose.....the 6.7L high HP and high torque diesel engine requires more air than the older diesel engines.
Good info and very straightforward. I do agree that unless one is towing heavy (15K+) on a weekly basis for 35K+ miles a year diesel isn't worth it. I live in TX and see all these diesel Super Dutys where the guy bought it simply because he has an inferiority complex (not what he would say, LOL). The 7.3L is the way to go IMHO. I am only 5'10" and yes, the height of the trucks today is crazy. The '23 Super Duty now has the integrated bed steps which is almost a necessity unless you're 7' tall! LOL
Tim I think the first OEM to offer a practical lower to the ground work truck could sweep up all of us folks who use them. I need a new half ton but my 2004 ranger allows for ease of load inroads. If they made a new one in crew with 6.5 bed and 48 inches between wheel wells I would buy it. Designers are in a rut.
The Chevrolet 4WD and GMC 4WD trucks with IFS axle and low hanging frame rails sit considerably lower to the ground compared to Ford 4WD and Dodge 4WD trucks. That is among many other reasons is why I would never buy a GM 4WD truck.
My 2022 Super Duty Lariat has the keyless entry. I can use either the door handle sensors or the keypad. This was the same on my 2019 F150 Lariat. For the height issue, I purchased the step that hangs over the tire. It works well for me to access my 5th wheel hitch. There's no doubt the ride is a bit rough, but I consider it a trade off for the payload/towing capacity.
I have a 2022 F250 Lariat Tremor. The amp research steps work great. I have all 3. I don’t have to pull out my key fob to unlock my truck or turn it on.
Like the truck. In my 2022 with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears the fuel mileage improved as I put miles on it. By the time I got 5000 miles on it I was up to 16mpg (hand calculated) unloaded. When towing (10K) I would be around 9mpg. So you should see some improvements as you put miles on it.
Yes, I really wish that they would build them lower, I am 6’2” and it is hard for me to do anything in the rear of the truck. Including getting in and out of the truck.
Our ‘22 F-350 7.3 Lariat - Crew Cab, 8’ bed, SRW with 4.30 rear end - has about 22k miles on it now. We get about 10.5-11 around town, 14-15 on the highway, both hand-calculated across many trips (our dash reading is consistently about +0.5 mpg over the true number). When unloaded 65-73 mph seems to be the sweet spot for the best mileage, starting to decline even when cruising on flat ground over 73 mph. We’ve yet to pull anything very big with it, but with 3700lb in the bed the mileage didn’t change much. My little 4’ 10” wife has to pole vault her way into the bed more or less, but she’s still spry in her mid-30s so she enjoys it. If we were a decade or two older it could definitely be a bit of a problem.
Tottally agree with the height thing Tim. I have a 2017 f150 and actually use it for work every day. Constantly climbing in the back of the truck to grab stuff out of the tool box and it's only a half ton. I think the height is definitely a status thing looks tougher ? Thanks for your videos!
Same with us on our 2021 F150, 4 by 4 with a Max tow package. Really high and a lot higher than older heavy duty trucks. The 360 camera is super handy on yge trucks.
I have a F-250 for a work truck . I carry a 4ft step ladder in the back. It grows old when your trying to get in during the winter months . It is a good truck though, just too tall.
@@michaelbayliss1794 I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck. Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck. If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway. I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can . Driving a Computer sucks in My Book... Mike M Central Wis.
Feeling a whole lot of your same pains in acquiring a new truck. Kind of like you, with trade prices, i ordered a new truck in aug of 2021. It is scheduled to be built April 10th - That's my reality, and still didn't get exactly what I wanted but close enough. Trucks are high as hell for sure with a 3/4 or 1ton. fortunately, I have a different flavor and I do love the bumper steps and looking forward to the bed step in front. But man, trucks with a heavy suspension that can pull never rode so nice as they do today or so quiet. They're fancier than a Coupe DeVille from 30 years ago. Best of luck with that beast - and ck the oil! I see some scary stuff about that engine but then, it's the internet and who knows what is real. Your mileage is, totally believe it.
The camera problem is the same problem that happens to your headlights , the lens coverings for the camera and the headlights are made of plastic that fades and turns frosty ( cloudy white ) that cuts the headlight projecting capacity and prevents the camera from see through the plastic lens coverings. In my opinion when the headlight lenses becomes so faded that the lights are visibly dimmer into should be a safty hazard. All new cars and trucks in all brands seem to have this problem with the plastic lens fading problem .
However, my 2011 F150 Lariat's backup camera is still as clear as the day I got it. And it's seldom been garaged the entire time. Maybe there was a lens material switch by Ford somewhere since mine was produced?
There are variances in the readings at the pump. That's why sites like TFL use the same pump at the same station when they are doing comparisons. It eliminates that variance, and in most cases when they do that they are withing 1-2 tenths of MPG when they do their tests. So start understanding that before you start calling out the failure of the onboard guages.
Tim, I have 2016 Ram Powerwagon. Best riding and hauling truck I’ve ever owned. Has 4 way coil suspension. I was concerned at first about reliability. Not anymore. Love it. I would test drive one. With that said, I overload my truck as far as the original weight ratings. I’ve had mine upfitted for the loads I carry. I hope your new truck works for you!
My local car dealer owner says that the Ram’s have the most comfortable seats. Now I’d believe him since he owns the Dodge, Chevy, Ford, Kia, Honda, and Harley franchises in my area 🤣 I can tell you that I’ve never ridden in a Comfortable Chevy truck seat. I even had a Cadillac Rental SUV in October and I much prefer my g/f’s Rav 4 seats.
@@RustyZipper Having plenty of seat time in them all, I agree the Ram seats on current generation are the best. Especially on long hauls. Seats are however personal. To each their own. I hope everyone finds what works best for them. That 4 corner coil suspension is amazing. More reliable and durable than air, rides and handles better than leaf.
@@RustyZipper that was my main reason for buying RAM. By far the nicest seats, and the entire interior in my opinion. Ford and Chevy are still playing catch up in that department.
I purchased a 2022 GMC Sierra 2500 Denali Q1 of 2022. Put money down on a truck the dealer order in July of 2021. Regarding bed height. This bed sits high as does the hood. GM put steps behind the cab and on the rear bumper to access the bed. Works great. You need the cameras on these. Haven't had any issues though last time in for an oil change they did do a software update on the camera system. Got the retractable running boards they are great. The underside of the boards are painted but a bit rougher to deflect stones and rocks. Almost 20,000 miles already this year no problems so far. I feel like GM engineers put forth some thought in designing all these features and systems. As it should be on a truck that runs $80K plis
I've been a "Ford man" since the early eighties, and have been very satisfied with the four vehicles I've owned. However, recently (late 2022) the CEO of Ford addressed a retired Ford engineer group and stated that Ford had significant quality control issues that "would take years to correct." Their warranty expenditures were 2.3 times that of General Motors over the most recent time frame. I would have concerns about purchasing a Ford product in the near term. Just look at the track record of the Ford Bronco. On a different note, there is a page in the engineering menu that Kyle Bauer mentioned in another comment that allows you to adjust the default AFE (Average Fuel Economy) metric of 1000 down to a value you determine by hand-calculating your mileage. In the case of my 2015 F-250 Platinum gasser the number would be 952 to correct the "lie-o-meter" to a more accurate value.
Beautiful truck! I’m my opinion, I like the higher riding trucks because of being able to see over most cars, therefore being able to see hazards earlier as you drive down the road. Most of the annoyances of the higher truck can be addressed with products like you are going to put on (I think those steps will look better than the ugly “GM like” box steps that the ‘23’s Fords will have)!
Yeah no kidding its like you dont even see people in smaller cars right? Maybe that is why i always got a grill of one of these big dumb garbage trucks inches away from my rear bumper.
Ram 2500 has coil suspension in the rear and you can add aftermarket airbags with significant ride improvement unloaded - no leaf springs. Airbags are a must for heavier loads however. I believe the RAM 3500's are still leaf sprung in the rear.
So, my question to Kellderman would be, if I move the exhaust, would their kit work? I know that’s not ideal, but if the exhaust is the only issue, there are ways around it. Especially on a gasoline power train.
I will stick with my 1990 Dodge 250 diesel,5 speed, 4x4,manuel locking hubs. The odometor quit about 20 years ago at 262ish thousand miles. this past summer I went on a 450 mile trip empty and with my son and his smart phone he figured we got almost 20 mpg. My Dad bought the truck new and would get a little over 20 mpg. The engine has only been opened to adjust valves. Everything else is just normal matanence. I won't get rid of this truck untill I can't get parts anymore. It's a Farm truck and pulls a 25 foot goose neck cattle trailer ,a 25 ft goose neck flat bed and anything that a pickup should and shouldn't pull. Its a work truck and it WORKS. Thank for your videos and God Bless.
Ram 2500 has TRUE full air suspension. It is a 5 link, and has a setting to lower the rear end as though the truck is loaded...kind of a "reverse leveling" setting. Works great, rides MUCH smoother than steel springs!
When I bought my 1997 Bounder gas powered class A motorhome, I wanted a gas engine. It got about 8 mpg, and I am still happy with that. The oil changes cost about $40 - $50, so much less than a diesel and fuel filter change each year. With 40,000 miles between 1997 and 2008, that is about 4,000 miles per year, or say 500 gallons of gas, and the insurance was probably as expensive as the gas each year. Spending another $25,000 on a diesel pusher motorhome, and I would be spending more on insurance too! I think that the gas F-350 would be a great pick when you are not driving over 5,000 miles per year!
Big Diesel pickup trucks dont get 22mpge empty or 17mpg loaded . A BIG gas pickup truck can get 11mpg empty & 9 mpg LOADED. With the price of diesel fuel TWICE that of Gasoline they are Equal, BUT 6000$ cheeper to buy 20,000 miles of FREEEE FUEL= A "no brainer" ; UNLESS you are pulling around an extra 10,000lbs around EVERY day -ALL DAY & YEAR in and Year out, then get the Diesel & DEF buggy. A small pillow is GREAT for "lumbar support ". An "air -baggy" system can replace 1 2nd main leef spring & the "over-load pack" = 1500$ after-market fabbed up.Thank you Tim & Christy for another Excelent vidio rendition. Best wishes with all your endeavours.
I have a 22 7.3 crew cab long box lariat single rear wheel F350 with snow plow and 5th wheel prep, carpet delete and 3.73 gears. I get mid 15 mpg hand calculated empty driving conservatively. Towing an 8000 lb travel trailer averages about 10.5. Do you have 4.10 gears in yours? I absolutely love my truck! It tows better than my old 2002 7.3 diesel, sounds awesome when it is pulling hard and is the most comfortable vehicle I have owned in my 57 years. Big difference for me is I drive my vehicles till they are worn out and when you get a new one with 20 years of improvements it sure feels fine. Interestingly, it is mostly the guys buying the high end high dollar rigs that do the most complaining about ride, shift harshness, height, etc. Those who work these trucks for a living tend to love them. The 7.3 engine is flat out awesome and is designed to last and produce tons of torque at normal operating revs. Compare the torque curves of the big three HD gas engines and you will see that Ford 7.3 is the leader in max torque and quite literally blows the doors off the other two (especially Ram) in 1500 rpm torque. And torque is all that matters for a working HD truck.
I have a 2022 Platinum with the Godzilla engine and I have not experienced anything as you have described. I have had multiple Range Rovers with air suspension and would never want that on my F-350. The suspension on this truck and some of the earliest models I've had (72',76", 78") and there is no comparison. I have no complaints so far with about 11K miles on the truck. I just drove it across NY state back and forth in one shot - about 14 hours of driving and this truck was way more comfortable than any previous year I've had. I get better mileage than my 2017 with the 6.2. . If you have trouble getting into the bed of the truck, then start by doing some more exercise - I'm 5' 9" - 58 years old and have no problem jumping on that truck anywhere (not try'n to be mean). Don't let those JD tractors do all the work, even if they can - get out there and use a shovel. BTW - I love my JD 1025R and so do my neighbors.
Ford tech for 30 years, and all your concerns and ideas are 100% valid. From suspension, actual usefulness and limited option ordering are what everyone asks about. Gonna keep my 07 350 v10 forever.
We just restored the 1988 F-250 4x4 my dad purchased slightly used in 1990. I’m not sure if we made the right decision or not, but a lot of the petty annoyances you mention on the new fancy units aren’t an issue. Ours has the 7.5 / 460, excellent visibility with the custom fabricated flatbed. We have AMP fold-out running boards, airbag suspension and a backup camera in the rear view mirror. We have no key fob. We plan to keep it local for now and will rent from Enterprise Truck for occasional trips. Again….maybe we should have bought a new one….maybe not. Time will tell.
I live in the Pacific Northwest where I need to both haul those loads AND negotiate rough terrain. My own driveway requires 4x4 and some clearance. A lower or RWD truck would just get stuck around the farm. Most of the pure equipment haulers here use the dually F350 or F450s or equivalent RAMs.
I drive a SRW 3500 Denali diesel and I get about 21 mpg Highway and 14-15 mpg City. Towing 8ish… and I calculate at the pump. I do 5 mph over the limit on the highway.
Tim I bought a 2022 laterite f250 in January and got rid of it in August with less than 4,000 miles. At 200 miles I lost the steering pump after that it was on going computer issues. Neither ford or the local dealer were helpful. If it sounds like I’m bitter it is because I am. I hope you have better luck. I always enjoy the videos. Merry Christmas and a happy new year
There are some videos on here that show you how to adjust the correction factor for the fuel mileage display. I had to drop my number by about 75. Now it is way closer
If you are looking for a lower truck, I believe the 2WD option will be lower to the ground. Most of us that buy 4x4's like/need the extra hight for our use. I never go off road, but plow snow, thus the need for 4x4 and the xtra hight. A lot of these trucks are construction trucks working on unfinished roads and construction sites. Then there are the off roaders. Not sure I could spend $70000 to $100000 to go mudding and feel good about it, but guys do it everyday. I have a 2019 w/6.2 and just ordered a 2023 w/7.3. Good review thank you.
Enjoyed your review of the truck, I am not financially able to buy a new truck, guess I will just have to keep my old 2005 dodge diesel, so far so good, great old truck without all the epa requirements, You have a beautiful truck enjoy it,
Tim, I couldn't agree more when it comes to truck height! I have a '19 F-250 STX, 6.2 gas with FX4 package and man it is a tall truck! I'm probably Christie's height at around 5'4" and I can barely see into the bed. I always liked my older trucks with a shorter stance because you can easily grab things out of the back, ie a gas can when you run to the gas station. I like the stance of the new, taller trucks, but it is not very functional, especially for short people.
According to your gross combined weight rating, you ordered the truck with 3.73 axle ratios. Do you regret not ordering it with 4.30 axle to increase your gross combined rating and have a faster take off from stop? I’m looking at possibly buying a new Super Duty and was wondering if you feel a higher ratio axle would be beneficial.
Spot on Tim. I've had 2 GMC 3500 HD trucks and have been totally disappointed in the quality. Problems start occurring around 50,000 to 60,000 miles, just as the warranty expires. I've been shopping for a new truck and researching the big 3. Totally disappoint that all have weak points and problems. Quality is a thing of the past, just build them glitzy. Lots of fancy electronics and big tires to make them look cool. I would like to have a good quality truck that I can get into without a stepladder. The height is ridiculous. I would have to raise the header on my garage door to get the 81.5" 2024 Ford into the stall. The cost is getting ridiculous. I have the ability to purchase any of them but I'm at the point I don't care to own any of them.
Tim, the power running boards in the Chevy new 1500 (and maybe other models) trucks have a feature that you can push them when extended and they shift backwards to use as a step into the bed. Great video, thanks for doing it.
Good review! I just traded my 6.0 Ford for a 2021 XLT with the 7.3 gas. I love it so far, it pulls everything we have, without the diesel headaches. I’m getting 16 mpg unloaded on the interstate.
See I love the height of the truck. I've waited year's to get the height in a factory trim. Living in Wyoming every one drives a truck and having it high is better in snow and off road.
Great video. Funny about the height of trucks these days. Had a ‘96 f150 and could easily load it flat-footed all day. These days its best to get the heavy duty full extension slide out bed trays. Of course bolting down the hardware into the bed of a brand new $80,000 truck would be painful. Air suspensions can be good if you are constantly hauling, but you may loose the use of your shocks(rougher ride) when driving normally. You may be surprised at how much better the ride is with a basic set of bilstein or fox shocks-I did on my f150, front and rear with great results, no decrease in hauling or towing. Along with being pulled over due to operating the truck over max gvwr, if you get in a wreck you could be at fault, potentially charged with manslaughter worst case, even if someone pulls out in front of you.
I have a 2022 F350 Super Duty XLT with the 7.3 Gas, and 3.73 Rear Gears. The Truck will Most Definitely Make Your Back Hurt On Long Trips! Would Love an Air Ride Seat! and/or Softer or Variable Rate Springs!! Keep Up with the Good Information!
I have a 2016 F350 Lariat with the diesel 4x4 crew cab and tried what you did last year. I have just under 90k om the 2016 and ordered a more basic Supercab XL with a 7.3 8" bed and gooseneck hitch setup in March. I got notified in August my special order F350 got cancelled but I could roll it into a 2023. Ford changed their option packages and all 2023 7.3L must have a $10k 4x4 package. I agree trucks are too high and should come with air suspension. All F350s and up should come with the gooseneck prep as standard equipment. They also should have 60 to 80 gallon fuel tanks as well. My Lariat has many options I don't care for and do not use. I got a great deal on it as it was a special order that was not claimed. I have a CDL so I haven't worried too much gross weight as I rarely carry anything more that 14K on the gooseneck that can carry a 15.7k load before it maxes out.
I daily an 04 Chevy with 8.1 Allison combo. When I bought this truck more than 10 years ago with 40k miles from original owner. This truck was 15k$ cheaper than same truck with diesel. I have 167 k miles now and only normal maintenance oil belts alternator battery and radiator. I regeared truck to 4.56 due to running taller tires. Love how it runs and pulls. Hauled trailers all over surrounding states. I am in Texas so not short drive anywhere. Much lower cost of ownership than my friends diesels. I would buy new gas. My boss has new 7.3 gas and I have driven routinely and it is nice. I am gm nut but would consider a new 7.3 Ford with tremor package. Waiting anxiously for new 24 gm trucks.
I agree. all manufacturers are building these pick-ups way to high off the ground.. And also they aren't doing anyone who uses a truck to haul or work out of by putting those 20 and 22 inch wheels on a pickup.
LiquidSpring suspension for both front and rear axles is the way to go. Avoid air suspension kits as the failure rate on components is high. Company I work for used to install air suspension on ambulances all the time, but now we might install 1 every 3 years. 75% of ambulance built use LiquidSpring suspension on the rear axle. Suspension kits from them are good for 2017+ on F350 chassis.
I have a 2021 F250 STX with the 7.3L. My 250 ride quality isn't too harsh but I think its because my tires are mounted to an 18" rim rather than 20" and they are rated to be inflated to 60 psi rather than the 80psi needed for the 350 rating. Even still, I looked into suspension upgrades to soften the ride further but was afraid it would come at the expense of my towing capacity. I have left it alone for now.
Exactly correct......truck with an 18 inch rim will ride better than a truck with a 20 inch rim. Check Out Carli Suspension website and or the CJC Off-Road website. CJC is a large retailer for Carli products. CJC recommends Firestone air bags with Daystar cradles to maintain OEM GVWR - Towing - Payload specs. The Daystar cradles allow for rear axle articulation off-road and also to prevent the destruction of the air bags.
@@stevengrey1948 You're Welcome! CJC also has both Dynatrac and EMF high quality aftermarket ball joints for the front steering....much better than OEM. For Super Duty brake replacement, check out Power Stop Z36 rotors (drilled and slotted), calipers and pads. A neat gadget to have on a truck with power door locks and interior hood latch release.....is remote (frame mounted) battery terminals...so a locked truck can be jump started if the battery is dead. Check Out RX 2 battery terminals. One more thing. The Dana 60 front axle on the Ford Super Duty trucks has been around for decades. The older Dana 60's had serviceable Timken bearings. The new Dana 60's (last 20+ years) have "unit bearings".....plastic encased...wear out and throw away (not serviceable). Dynatrac offers Heavy Duty Free Spin Kits for Ford and Dodge trucks. Expensive.....but very reliable and very durable compared to the OEM parts out of the front spindles of the newer Dana 60's. One draw back so some people.....the Heavy Duty reliable DynaLoc hubs will have to be manually locked in before getting in mud and or snow......but they won't break or go out like the cheap plastic encased unit bearings.....leading to a stuck truck. Numerous upgrades and handy accessories for Ford Super Duty trucks. Lots of information on --------> www.fordtremor.com
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Tim the main reason these trucks are so tall now is because they have raised the body up higher, so the floors are almost flat. The older generations trucks had a huge transmission tunnel for the trans and the drive shaft aka the hump as we use to call it.
Yeah I have a 2001 Ram 2500 (second gen) , it has 3500 rear suspension, and 2” coil spacers on the front to level the truck out with the beefier rear end, and 35” tires, my roof line is at the same height as all new modern 1500’s but I have nearly a foot more ground clearance.
All new cabs are more upright, and taller for more headroom, making the truck seem a lot taller then it actually is, yet the frame is so much lower.
Is a trans hump any more of an obstacle then a full size console?
@gordon borsboom I would say yes because you have a choice on the console. The console is functional for the occupation of the cab. The trans tunnel is just an obstacle that the occupants have to deal with. In crew cabs the tunnel affects the rear seats also.
Absolutely love my flat rear floor. If that makes the truck higher, that's a good tradeoff to me. I have a dog crate on my rear floor.
@@gordonborsboom7460 Consoles are leveled and don't extend to the rear passenger compartment.
One of my favorite features on Ford vehicles is that keypad on the driver door. I highly recommend learning the door code such a great feature, imo.
How is the keypad any easier or better than using the key?
The key pad is a feature that I never thought I needed, until I had it. I use it most often when camping. Truck is locked, keys are in the trailer, type my code in, and just like magic the doors are unlocked. It’s not earth shattering, it’s just convenient.
Sometimes won't have the key with me but I need to get in the truck, key pad. It's handy. You'll never be locked out of your vehicle again.
I like that feature too. However, no way to get into the truck without a lock smith if the battery (or batteries) are dead. Good reason to install R2X - Remote Battery Post Terminals.
@@15Jeep I thought Ford has it too but my RAM has 2 battery sensors that monitor and if they get low it goes into battery saver mode so the power locks will still work.
A lot of fleets have dropped diesel powered units due to costs, additional maintenance and emission equipment. It’s a shame too.
That color is really slick. Jumping from the diesel to the 7.3 or any gas engine is a smart move. I know your fuel mileage is not amazing right now but the truck only has 500 miles. It still needs to break in. I am really not a huge fan of diesel trucks anymore. They are expensive to buy, expensive drive, and expensive to maintain. With Diesel being about $1.50 more a gallon where I am, it would take probably at least 200k miles of driving to offset the cost. Something you forgot to mention is you no longer have to ay for DEF and any expensive repairs related to the DPF(Not that you had a issue, yet). I can not believe Kelderman would not do the kit on a gas truck because of the exhaust. That is ridiculous since the exhaust system on a gas truck is smaller and less complex. If it really is only the exhaust, you could order the kit and have a exhaust shop do custom routing for you on the exhaust. Just a thought.
EXACTLY, "rooling coal" takes 200,000 miles to pay for itself.
Yip 7mpg towing. Smart move...
@@jeffro582 for guys like me who tow maybe 1-2 times a year. Yes. It is a smart move.
@@vitaliyburlaka691 how much weight do you tow? 5th wheel?
@@jeffro582 travel trailer and dump trailer. Maybe 13k fully loaded
The 20" wheels and tires do not make the truck taller. The OD of the 17", 18" and 20" tires are all the same from the factory. The 20" rim is taller but the sidewall is lower, which results in a more stiff ride, but better control on the highway, with less load capacity (the air in the tire is what actually carries the load), and a much higher replacement cost later.
It would all depend on what tires were installed at the factory . Between the 18 and 20 inch tires from the factory options with 20 in installed the truck could sit 2 to 3 inches taller.
@@randalls5210 No true. going from 18 to 20 is only a 1 inch radius change. More importantly, it is the tire OD that matters. When I bought mine, the factory tires on the 17", 18" and 20" rims all had the same OD.
Not true the 20s are about a 34” tire and the 18s are 33”. 275/70r18 vs 275/65r20
@@carperdiem8754 There is a very minor OD difference between the 18" and 20" combo. Most people are unaware that there is more variation in OD depending upon the brand of tire and the specific tire chosen. In a given size (275/70r18) one brand may be 33" OD and another brand 34" OD of the same size tire but different tread tire.
@@briangc1972 does ford use different brands on the two sizes? Coopers run a bit big at 33.4, but most are at 33.2. On the 20s the smallest AT tires run around 34.1. So still a small difference.
This is why I prefer my old 1995 F 250. Full length running boards. 7.3 diesel. Low bed rail height. Simple technology. Old reliable. Plus it’s hard to break things when you only make 200 hp.
Twin tanks... my dad's work truck was a 97 F350 7.3 5spd Std cab short wheelbase dually.. Had a steel flat bed on it and towed a 32ft goose neck trailer with a 1982 4400 JD and a Detriot diesel powered Herbicide spreader with chemical+100gal of water. pulled like a Freight train, still on the road now with well over 275,000 miles
@@NXT_LVL 275k on a 7.3? That's not even broke in good yet.
I had the 1994 250 XLT 😊 till 2018.Chevy2500 with 8ft. leaf springs suck ass. I just bought a Ram with coil springs. WOW rides so great it crazy. Im about what works... not a brand.
@@crewdawg2008 actually it is because it will need a new radiator and it will need bulletproof a new head studs around 300,000 miles and the cost of all that will be about $6000
@@l8tapex yeah ram has been building better riding trucks since 94. I bought the first year of the new model ram and I had so much more horsepower on a better ride than my brand new Ford. I traded my Ford back in at the dealership and went and bought a ram and put 400,000 miles on that gas engine.
You're absolutely right about height. I did a major project that involved daily hauling of many small but heavy parts for 6 months. I have a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 and a 1989 GMC 2500. The Dodge is nowhere near as tall as your truck, but I ended up using the 89 GMC for almost all of the project because it was so miuch easier to load and unload. This is despite the fact the air conditioner didn't work in the summer! The newer trucks are not actually built to carry loads that are loaded or unloaded by hand, because there's no practical way to get items in or out. As you said, I think it's just a cool factor. We need trucks that actually work! If you're not happy now, wait until you're stuck with a government mandated electric truck that won't even pull a trailer for a hundred miles. That's a subject for another day and another video.
amen brother!!
FYI you can recalibrate your gas mileage meter. It’s in the engineering menu. You can adjust it up or down by whatever percentage it actually is
you cant know what it is until you measure the odometer accuracy.
Can you do that on a Dodge?
Good info about your decision. We switched from the F350 Super Duty Diesel to the 7.3 gasser this year too. We have few regrets. I like how quiet the truck is. I like how you can hear that exhaust note rumble when you are pulling heavy. Ours is the XLT and we really miss the leather seats and the center console. We actually did a couple videos on our channel of why we made the change and what options were “must have” for us. We tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel with ours.
Be interested to see what you (and Christy) think of the power running boards after using them for a few months. My initial reaction was like yours, but now I love them. They are the first running boards I have had that actually make it easier to get in and out of the truck because they lower to the correct height to step rather than leap! IMO, fixed running boards are too high to actually be useful. Great video - I agree that the truck market is ripe for disruption - the big three have gotten "comfortable" and they are all having huge reliability issues!
I would like to add that the power running board sits farther from the truck allowing you to use them to exit the vehicle. I find with the fixed running board on could only get the back of my foot at best on the running board and it usually slid off. I also think the power running board provides more protection for the truck as it is tucked under and up against the body where the fixed running board is mostly outside the truck area.
I don't see heavy duty Rams having reliability issues..
Great video, and I agree with everything on the new trucks. It makes it harder to buy new ones when older or flat bed trucks are more friendly to work out of. Thanks for the honest review.
Great review Tim. In my 40 years of driving (90% pickup trucks) with 30+ brand new vehicles because of high mileage driving, I have owned Chevy and Fords. Two years ago I took the plunge on a Ram 1500 Limited 4x4. I will never go back to Chevy or Ford. The ride quality and creature comforts are amazing on the Ram. Other than changing oil and tires I have spent $0.00 on any type of repairs. Good luck with your beautiful new truck!
Give us a review of the Dodge as you get close to 100k miles. I’ve heard nothing but bad about Dodge (any vehicle).
@@TheTradosaurus the big 3 truck manufacturers have their issues. None of them are perfect. Ram is no worse than any of the other 2. Just different issues.
I have no complaints with my 2022 F350 7.3. I love it. It’s a beast. I have the same lime green trailer lol. I tow about 15,500 with mine no problems. I love the rumble coming out of the back. I have a MBRP on mine.
I had the chance to tow with a Ram 3500 dually that had the factory air suspension, the added stability was amazing, it should be standard on all heavy duty trucks. Another note Semi's also have leaf springs in tandem with their air suspension.
You just summed up why I love my 2021 Limited 3500. Air suspension and 2-stage engine braking makes the towing a breeze! Sure, I'd love a more modern trans, but under towing, the Aisin shines!
I agree 100% on the truck height. I remember the old Ford camper specials.
My uncle had a platinum F150. The automatic side steps are a nightmare for him.
After heavy salt or even a little mad around the farm they would get stuck out or get stuck in or just not come out at all. After about five years the motor and the side steps were completely gone it was a very expensive fix.
Automatic side steps are great when they are new but when they wear down they lock up.
I agree, mud and or snow build up can cause the power running boards to not function. That is reason why I set mine on the 2022 F350 7.3L 4WD Tremor to not deploy when the roads are snow packed or during mud season out west. In addition, I have a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Hard Rock and an older F-150 4WD. Very little salt is used on paved roads in the Rocky Mountain states. I know people who have 10 - 12 year old trucks and have never replaced the motors.
Here's something crazy, our 13acres and trailer was $10,000 less than your truck. 😯
I did the same. Still drive my old paid for truck and instead bought land. Lots of land :)
16.5 acres with house, brand new tractor for less than price of that truck.
@@Retarded229 what state?
@@Nightshade_6.7 Kentucky
Lol
One very simple way to smooth out the ride on these 350/3500 series trucks is to lower the tire pressure when traveling unloaded. The ride is still stiff but it gets rid of a lot of the harshness.
Tim I went back to gas 2 years ago with my 3500 Gmc. Very happy with it. No it don’t pull as hard as Diesel but I’m not in a big hurry. Between cost of Diesel option being 10k, cost of fuel and maintenance couldn’t justify diesel. Don’t drive it everyday ,it just pulls. Figure my Mpg by hand and not seeing a big difference between gas and diesel. Pulling 13k (weight empty)5th wheel I’m getting 9mpg which I’m happy with. Height of truck I’m happy with as I need clearance as I do go off-road with a cabin in the middle of no where up north, and GMC have steps front and back so hooking gooseneck and 5th wheel is fine. Nice looking truck.
I always put my foot up on the back tire and pull myself up and over the bed side of my lifted 99 F350, but I guess I'm still a young feller that doesn't need running boards and bed side steps. Always interesting to hear what you have to say Tim! Real beauty of a truck that you have there.
My biggest complaint with the ride height on these new trucks comes into play when pulling goosenecks. I'm 6' 3" so reaching stuff isn't much of an issue for me but trying to get the trailer to ride level can be nearly impossible, especially on the older trailers. Then by the time you've got the coupler retracted far enough to level things out the clearance between the neck and the bed rails is down to nothing so you can only turn on a perfectly flat surface. Totally impractical if you're actually using the truck the way a truck should be used.
Yep!
That’s the exact reason I’m staying with my 2016 f350. My horse trailer would only have one wheel on the ground behind the newer truck or have an inch of clearance.
2wd will fix your complaints. Don’t buy a 4wd. 🤦♂️
@@curbAL1 My 2wd is only 2" lower than a same year 4x4. Not really much help.
My uncle bought a new 350 last year but his was a ,well I forget the correct term but with no bed on it. He had a custom aluminum bed with tool boxes an auxillary fuel tank built in. Well it sits way lower than my 2016. And yes both are 4x4 so there is an option for a new one that sits lower
I replaced the 2035 lb per side leaf springs with 3300 lb per side leafs from husky spring and upgraded my factory shocks to bilstein 5100 shocks and my truck now rides better than a half ton. The husky springs have more leaves and have a more gradual arch. No lift in height from stock but amazing ride and load handling improvements.
Heavier capacity springs, and stiffer valved shocks somehow makes the ride like a 1/2 ton, huh… must have been all that snake oil the springs were soaked in😂
@@robmd3851 actually they have 8 leaves I believe and they are not as stiff. Many years ago I remember in 4 wheeler them writing if you ever change leaf packs get the ones with more leaves because they will ride better. I was shocked actually. Figured it was going to ride awful. But my factory leaves had flattened out and it was beating me to death already so I tried it. I knew I needed more capacity because the flat bed I added was heavier. Turned out great. But it might have been the Pb blaster during install. 😂
The 3500 Rams leaf spring in the air ride suspension is mainly for locating the axle. Having ridden in one with air, there is a NOTICEABLE difference in ride quality.
As far as truck height, remember that axles and frames and such are bigger. If you section the frame if your dad's truck and your truck, one is probably 3-4" taller. Plus you got 4wd... 2wd are shorter.
I definitely agree with trucks being to tall. With all the aftermarket options surely there’s something to improve the comfort for you. But for $80.000 you shouldn’t have to go to aftermarket.
Overall the issues you have are good issues to have.
Love the videos, Tim. I’m sure someone beat me to it and I’ll only succeed in adding fodder to the GM/Ford debate, but my GMC half-ton’s 6.2 makes just a few hp/ft-lbs less than your 7.3 and routinely gets *measured* 19mpg unloaded and 12-13mpg loaded with 9klbs of bumper pull and Kubota L4060+implements. My electric fold-out running boards have a feature that slide them back to the rear tire to reach the bed. I use it quite often and have no complaints. Everyone has loyalties, but entertain options…
He would need a 3500 to tow his equipment. That would be the 6.6 gaser
Heavier truck and larger engine would reduce the comparison advantage.
GM put 6.5 liter non turbo Diesel engines in HD trucks way back in the 80’s, I think. Dog slow but economical. Mfg’s give us what they think we want coupled with what they can afford to do.
They should offer a flat bed option for those that want a shorter truck. A flat bed option with removable sides and boxes for storage below the bed.
My 2018 lariat 250 does have keyless entry and push button start, I think it's part of the Lariat ultimate package so you don't have to go to a platinum just for that. in 2018 the only option the platinum had that was actually better IMO than the Lariat was the massage seat.
You’re 100% correct, you have to get the lariat ultimate package to get the keyless entry. It’s the best. I also wish I had massage seats lol 😩
Tim I bought a step for my truck that hung over the back of the tire with a step in front of the tire. It was a great way to reach into the bed of the truck. The only issue with this step is forgetting it’s there and driving away and crushing it.
This was great Tim, it all resonates with me and my truck uses. I have the same observations even on a different brand. My biggest gripe is the price of new trucks -- while my truck does the job, at some point you can no longer talk about value because the trucks have gotten so expensive. But until consumers stop forking over the money, the manufacturers will keep charging high prices. These big trucks are extremely profitable and they know it.
All the dealers (all makes ) near me are all charging 10k over sticker! no way in hell would i pay that, i will keep running my current trucks. i would like to trade mt 2018 ram 3500 dually diesel for a new model but not for the crazy prices, no way!
Great review. I would think a reroute of the exhaust would be a simple fix. The air setup should work wether it’s gas or diesel just might need to modify the exhaust. I’m surprised they aren’t supporting the 7.3 as I’ve seen quite a few guys lately switching from diesel to gas. Regardless, very nice truck congrats!
Me too. Agree on both.
Nobody wants 😕 to be around 🙄 someone that has gas
Rodent damage? With 3 cats?? Congratulations on the new gasser! It looks slick!! You might like the led headlights.
Agree! Useless cats. I have had cat(s) around for 35 years and NEVER a rodent problem. His are not doing their job.
The rodent damage was outside. The cats are holed up inside most of the time.
Tim, you are 100% correct, Lower is Better for towing. Also 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks do NOT "Give" enough in the suspension to be a real "off road' truck. 16 inch rims is plenty tall enough, and gives you MORE side wall. Tires are PART of the suspension. .
16" wheels do not give adequate clearance inside for the larger brakes that these trucks require.
Trailer has its own brakes
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All of the fancy tailgates that trucks come with now look good upfront but I really wonder how well they will hold up in the long-term. So many moving parts I'm afraid they will be a maintenance nightmare, same thing applies to the power running boards! I do certainly agree with you about the high sides being a major pain and I really don't see any advantage to them!
and so much $$$$$$$ for a part.. IF its not discontinued in a few years
Ford has so many recalls I wouldn't even think about buying another new one, we bought 2 brand new, will NEVER again
AMP research makes the power running boards for his truck. You can get a switch installed that will leave them down all the time if you want. never heard of any real problems with any of the AMP research boards. I suggest you get some front wheel well mud flaps, that's should help take care of your rock problem.
One of the reasons the trucks have raised up is because the government required those new front bumpers that hang down lower to supposedly prevent hitting somebody from behind and climbing up there car. More government regulations for a negligible problem.
@@ictpilot The government didn't Req the truck to be raised. Yes, they Req the bumpers to be a certain maximum height above the road but if the truck hadn't been raised they would have needed to extend the bumper downward! Ford is the one that decided to raise the truck so that they had to put the lower bumper extensions on!
Hello again Tim. Thank you for your opinion. I’m probably the odd Duck out here. I used to keep my trucks 5-6 years, gave that up decades ago. My current rig was purchased new in 01. Yep, not a rust bucket beater either. Low mileage as well, because it’s a personal TRUCK. Not the grocery getter, or the look at me mobile. A tool that I maintain and have pride of ownership in. No Jones mobile, but I get tons of questions/comments on it. Never grossed over 16500 with it and trailer. Current trailering honest weight 14,700. Breadbox aerodynamics means 60mph if you expect 11.5 mpg or so loaded. Not something many will tolerate! At my age I have the time to not abuse the truck and maintain a speed that I can get there safely. 8th decade. A Boomer.
The 7.3l gasser is a dang good motor lots of people choosing it over the diesel
I really think the next big thing for these truck is air suspension so they can squat enough to be loaded. They are tall which is great for on road visibility and poor conditions, but loading is almost impossible.
Depends how tall you are I'm 6"4 the height makes it easier for me
Great video Tim. Congrats on the new truck.
I have seen that in the Ford fleet Specs guides that I use where I can on certain models alter the weight ratings like you mentioned.
I found that really Interesting, when you showed what happened to your cameras, I immediately thought that looked like what I would think looking through the back side of a cloudy headlight cover that had been sun etched would look like.
Makes perfect sense that sun will eat away at the clear plastics on the headlight housings, that it would do the same thing on the clear plastic camera lenses housings.
All be it for different reasons, I too buy the big Ford Godzilla gas motors in my business HD trucks. For me I buy diesel trucks for myself to use, but because I have seen in the past that many of my employee's that drive the trucks have no clue to diesel truck operations, much less all the emissions equipment. Almost guaranteed if I ordered those F450s we use with Diesels they would end up on hook because one of my people is bound to put either DEF in the diesel tank or Diesel in the DEF tank at some point. LOL
The reason I still prefer diesel for myself is nothing really to do with fuel prices one way or the other. For the past few decades Diesel HD trucks have really held their value far and above about any other vehicles on the road. I recently replaced my 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel with a 2023 GMC 2500 HD diesel, and I got about 8K more out of my RAM then I paid for it 8 years ago. Even prior to Covid I would book check the value on that truck typically once a year just to see where I was at.
That truck never booked more then 4K less then I paid for it.
Due to Covid supply chain problems my old RAM brought a lot more than I ever dreamed it would.
Generally, there is a substantial premium in used segment for the diesel option.
Which when compared to gas residual values, the diesel always wins by pretty wide margin, typically enough to cover any added cost. With these new more powerful gas trucks of recent years I am going to be very curious to see how that and the high diesel prices effects the HD truck market over the next few years.
Thats why I love my 2011 f250 diesel. Looks great, hauls whatever, and can get to most things in the bed.
Tim, I agree that the trucks don’t need to be that high. Yes, there people who want them to be high off the ground. After market equipment is available for lift but there is no real option to lower and better ride. Great review!
They do actually have to be that high given the frame height.
Look under the truck, there is the bare minimum of up travel as it is. Lower them and the up travel goes away and you just end up smoking bump stops
There are plenty of aftermarket options to better the ride quality.
Ditch the bed and get a custom tray/canopy like we do in Australia. All the big manufactures here know that people are going to do it. They expect it.
Hi, I own a 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3, and my doors unlock with the fob in my pocket. Only have to put your hand near the handle. Also has push start. Comes with the Lariat Ultimate package... Sorry you had to wait so long to get yours. I ordered mine Oct 11, 2021, it arrived on Dec 16 2021. Only 8 weeks! I also have the same color, with camel interior and love it. Good luck!
I'm 6'-3" and we've had trucks as long as I can remember (65yrs old). This newer generation started 'rising' it seems around 2001-2003. I had a '94 GMC that was slightly taller than my '83 that was a bit annoying but not outrageiously so. Our current '17 F150 KR is just ridiculous for an everyday driver. It was the same on our 2009 although it was a tad lower, I don't even look at the new ones. If not for the built-in tail gate step, it would be very difficult for me to get up in the bed as I'm aging. My wife wouldn't even try. The rational, from what I've read, is driven by government EPA rules. The truck builders get some sort of benefit/mpg 'factor' vs the CAFE standards based on vehicle size. Yea, there is likely some cool/competitive aspect between the big three, but it seems the EPA regs may be the biggest driver on this upward evolution.
Typical government, creates a rule that unintentionally incentivizes building bigger vehicles that the general marketplace isn't really asking for.
I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck.
Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck.
If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway.
I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can .
Driving a Computer sucks in My Book...
Mike M Central Wis.
I tried to purchase a Ford F350 or Chevy 3500 in 2020. I checked every dealer within 500 miles. The only trucks available were loaded models, with a hefty surcharge. On the last day of the year I bought a F150 XLT, for $9,500 under sticker, so 30-40k less than the F350s available at the time. It has the 3.5 Eco boost. So far I am totally satisfied. It's very comfortable, great mileage, and easily tows 10,000 lb. I'd like an EcoBoost in the 4.5 - 5 liter range for the superduties.
The review here is stated extremely well. You’re very practical. Thank you for your thorough review. I appreciate my half ton truck but can’t see spending more for the tows that I pull. People who are clamoring for more flat screens in their vehicles are looking at expensive repairs down the road. Yet that’s what the manufacturers are hoping for, throwaway the old and just buy another brand new.
It sounds like you should have waited for the 2023. It addresses many of the issues you mention with accessing the bed via side steps. Very nice truck you have there though. No truck is perfect but that Ford is about as close as you can get.
I love watching auto vehicle reviews on RUclips, but truck videos never fail to pIss me off immediately for how manufacturers rip off consumers with outrageously overpriced junk that's years out of date. You're right, it's not really an elective purchase in many cases and manufacturers know this.
My Dad just bought the 2023 , yes Platinum, he towed 12K lbs across states more than 8K miles, 360 camera got hit by a rock, he stopped at a dealership in N carolina, Dealer got a new camera free of charge , oil change and the works , yes free of charge, Man Loves his truck, He loves all the technology that came with the truck. Ford did hit the truck out of the ball park EXCEPT $82K
Why did you buy a truck at the highest bubble in history! Should have waited 4 to 6 months when prices crash!
Do you really have to ask that question? It should be obvious
Tax time helps!
Hey Tim: well nice truck. I’ve got a F350 dually. I pull the gooseneck trailer and out 42ft fifth wheel camper. I can’t span the dually fenders for my chains so I need to drop the tailgate. Personally I think they are outrageously over priced. My late father always said that the more gadgets you have, the more there is to break. Oh so true.
I discussed price paid. I believe the bubble worked to my advantage….on the trade in side. Furthermore, I got Dec 21 pricing even though the sticker showed Oct 22 pricing. Prices rose $5000 during the year…and I avoided those price hikes.
@@TractorTimewithTimhave you looked into Liquid Springs for your suspension upgrade? They do most suspensions on heavy vehicles such as Ambulances. I tried looking to see if they offered something for the 7.3 but couldnt find something right off. Maybe you could offer to do a video with them because I’d be interested in that!
I will also add. I think the 20 inch rims with lower sidewall tires ride rougher. Then the 18 inch rims with the higher sidewall tires. More flex with more sidewall height.
I agree with you on the high suspensions. Add to that gimmicky things like flared fenders, fake bolts in the body features, etc. All junk to make it look tough. I had a 1991 F250. Height of truck was way better and it had none of the macho crap. And you know what? The bed held 2900lbs, just like F250s today. Back then F150 F250 and F350 all looked very similar. Today the 250 and 350 are way larger but do not carry more than my 91. Towing is better... Fortunately today they haven't started adding gimmicks to power tools. If Milwaukee ever starts making their drills macho-ized...lord help us. If HD pickups were lower, used same efficient body style as F150, no 20 inch wheels, they would ride better, corner better, and get better mpg. 20 inch wheels also have a lot less cushion for rough roads.
How are the fenders flared on a newer F250 Super Duty compared to 1986 - 1991 Ford F250 or 1992 - 1997 Ford F250? What is a "fake bolt"? The plastic item that most mechanics call a "christmas tree"? Since 2017, the Super Duty has virtually the same body as the F150. The cab is identical. The doors are interchangeable. The exterior sheet metal on the doors, front fenders, hood and pickup box is different along with different sizing of the pickup boxes.
@Two45s The super dutys diverted from the F150 in a major way years ago. They got way larger but payload in the bed stayed the same. You can't possibly think that's not marketing. ? Fake bolts - Just look around at all the flared fender and plastic body styling features on trucks. They have fake bolts molded into the plastics. That is marketing. Same as the grills on super duties. They got way larger vs the half ton years ago. No functionality there btw. Marketing to guys. That's all it is. I could go on and on but don't have time for this anymore.
@@WisconsinDIYGuy Yes, I agree with you in part. Ford realized the value in making the Class 1 (F150) quite different in style than the Class 2 (F250) and Class 3 (F350). Tha alone is a function of marketing. Ford introduced a new style F150 in 1997, the same year for the new Expedition...both used many of the same parts.
However, I disagree with you in other ways. It is not all marketing as you stated. The first model year for the Super Duty was 1999. Payload capacity has improved since the introduction. The F250 and F350 Super Duty trucks have more payload capability than the previous Ford F250 and F350 Heavy Duty trucks. Ford Super Duty rear spring architecture, design and engineering has improved along with larger rotors, calipers and pads compared to the older Ford Heavy Duty.
Finally, it is not the marketing department at Ford that is responsible for using lower cost parts.....it is the accounting department. In addition, larger grilles do have a function and purpose.....the 6.7L high HP and high torque diesel engine requires more air than the older diesel engines.
Good info and very straightforward. I do agree that unless one is towing heavy (15K+) on a weekly basis for 35K+ miles a year diesel isn't worth it. I live in TX and see all these diesel Super Dutys where the guy bought it simply because he has an inferiority complex (not what he would say, LOL). The 7.3L is the way to go IMHO. I am only 5'10" and yes, the height of the trucks today is crazy. The '23 Super Duty now has the integrated bed steps which is almost a necessity unless you're 7' tall! LOL
Tim I think the first OEM to offer a practical lower to the ground work truck could sweep up all of us folks who use them. I need a new half ton but my 2004 ranger allows for ease of load inroads. If they made a new one in crew with 6.5 bed and 48 inches between wheel wells I would buy it.
Designers are in a rut.
The Chevrolet 4WD and GMC 4WD trucks with IFS axle and low hanging frame rails sit considerably lower to the ground compared to Ford 4WD and Dodge 4WD trucks. That is among many other reasons is why I would never buy a GM 4WD truck.
@@15Jeep Those who don't need the ground clearance, but do need 4x4 for traction, would be better served by GM's offerings.
My 2022 Super Duty Lariat has the keyless entry. I can use either the door handle sensors or the keypad. This was the same on my 2019 F150 Lariat. For the height issue, I purchased the step that hangs over the tire. It works well for me to access my 5th wheel hitch. There's no doubt the ride is a bit rough, but I consider it a trade off for the payload/towing capacity.
My 2020 Lariat also has the keyless with the touch handles. I suspect it was an option issue with his previous truck.
Can you imagine the MPG improvement, and load stability of lowering these trucks by a foot?!
I have a 2022 F250 Lariat Tremor. The amp research steps work great. I have all 3. I don’t have to pull out my key fob to unlock my truck or turn it on.
Like the truck. In my 2022 with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears the fuel mileage improved as I put miles on it. By the time I got 5000 miles on it I was up to 16mpg (hand calculated) unloaded. When towing (10K) I would be around 9mpg. So you should see some improvements as you put miles on it.
You are not getting 16 mpg with a big block heavy duty truck
@@calebthacker2162 is a 6.4 (392c.i.) a small block or big block? 16-18mpg interstate driving. 2015 Ram 2500 CCLB.
@@calebthacker2162 you can think what you want, but that is what I got on the hwy with some city driving. The 10 speed transmission helps a lot.
Yes, I really wish that they would build them lower, I am 6’2” and it is hard for me to do anything in the rear of the truck. Including getting in and out of the truck.
My 22 Lariat has proximity and push button start. You just need to order the ultimate package on the Lariat
Our ‘22 F-350 7.3 Lariat - Crew Cab, 8’ bed, SRW with 4.30 rear end - has about 22k miles on it now. We get about 10.5-11 around town, 14-15 on the highway, both hand-calculated across many trips (our dash reading is consistently about +0.5 mpg over the true number). When unloaded 65-73 mph seems to be the sweet spot for the best mileage, starting to decline even when cruising on flat ground over 73 mph. We’ve yet to pull anything very big with it, but with 3700lb in the bed the mileage didn’t change much. My little 4’ 10” wife has to pole vault her way into the bed more or less, but she’s still spry in her mid-30s so she enjoys it. If we were a decade or two older it could definitely be a bit of a problem.
Tottally agree with the height thing Tim. I have a 2017 f150 and actually use it for work every day. Constantly climbing in the back of the truck to grab stuff out of the tool box and it's only a half ton. I think the height is definitely a status thing looks tougher ? Thanks for your videos!
Same with us on our 2021 F150, 4 by 4 with a Max tow package. Really high and a lot higher than older heavy duty trucks. The 360 camera is super handy on yge trucks.
I have a F-250 for a work truck . I carry a 4ft step ladder in the back. It grows old when your trying to get in during the winter months . It is a good truck though, just too tall.
@@michaelbayliss1794 I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck.
Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck.
If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway.
I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can .
Driving a Computer sucks in My Book...
Mike M Central Wis.
Feeling a whole lot of your same pains in acquiring a new truck. Kind of like you, with trade prices, i ordered a new truck in aug of 2021. It is scheduled to be built April 10th - That's my reality, and still didn't get exactly what I wanted but close enough.
Trucks are high as hell for sure with a 3/4 or 1ton. fortunately, I have a different flavor and I do love the bumper steps and looking forward to the bed step in front. But man, trucks with a heavy suspension that can pull never rode so nice as they do today or so quiet. They're fancier than a Coupe DeVille from 30 years ago.
Best of luck with that beast - and ck the oil! I see some scary stuff about that engine but then, it's the internet and who knows what is real. Your mileage is, totally believe it.
The camera problem is the same problem that happens to your headlights , the lens coverings for the camera and the headlights are made of plastic that fades and turns frosty ( cloudy white ) that cuts the headlight projecting capacity and prevents the camera from see through the plastic lens coverings. In my opinion when the headlight lenses becomes so faded that the lights are visibly dimmer into should be a safty hazard. All new cars and trucks in all brands seem to have this problem with the plastic lens fading problem .
However, my 2011 F150 Lariat's backup camera is still as clear as the day I got it. And it's seldom been garaged the entire time. Maybe there was a lens material switch by Ford somewhere since mine was produced?
There are variances in the readings at the pump. That's why sites like TFL use the same pump at the same station when they are doing comparisons. It eliminates that variance, and in most cases when they do that they are withing 1-2 tenths of MPG when they do their tests. So start understanding that before you start calling out the failure of the onboard guages.
Tim, I have 2016 Ram Powerwagon. Best riding and hauling truck I’ve ever owned. Has 4 way coil suspension. I was concerned at first about reliability. Not anymore. Love it. I would test drive one. With that said, I overload my truck as far as the original weight ratings. I’ve had mine upfitted for the loads I carry.
I hope your new truck works for you!
My local car dealer owner says that the Ram’s have the most comfortable seats. Now I’d believe him since he owns the Dodge, Chevy, Ford, Kia, Honda, and Harley franchises in my area 🤣 I can tell you that I’ve never ridden in a Comfortable Chevy truck seat. I even had a Cadillac Rental SUV in October and I much prefer my g/f’s Rav 4 seats.
@@RustyZipper Having plenty of seat time in them all, I agree the Ram seats on current generation are the best. Especially on long hauls. Seats are however personal. To each their own. I hope everyone finds what works best for them.
That 4 corner coil suspension is amazing. More reliable and durable than air, rides and handles better than leaf.
@@RustyZipper that was my main reason for buying RAM. By far the nicest seats, and the entire interior in my opinion. Ford and Chevy are still playing catch up in that department.
I purchased a 2022 GMC Sierra 2500 Denali Q1 of 2022. Put money down on a truck the dealer order in July of 2021. Regarding bed height. This bed sits high as does the hood. GM put steps behind the cab and on the rear bumper to access the bed. Works great. You need the cameras on these. Haven't had any issues though last time in for an oil change they did do a software update on the camera system. Got the retractable running boards they are great. The underside of the boards are painted but a bit rougher to deflect stones and rocks. Almost 20,000 miles already this year no problems so far. I feel like GM engineers put forth some thought in designing all these features and systems. As it should be on a truck that runs $80K plis
I've been a "Ford man" since the early eighties, and have been very satisfied with the four vehicles I've owned. However, recently (late 2022) the CEO of Ford addressed a retired Ford engineer group and stated that Ford had significant quality control issues that "would take years to correct." Their warranty expenditures were 2.3 times that of General Motors over the most recent time frame. I would have concerns about purchasing a Ford product in the near term. Just look at the track record of the Ford Bronco. On a different note, there is a page in the engineering menu that Kyle Bauer mentioned in another comment that allows you to adjust the default AFE (Average Fuel Economy) metric of 1000 down to a value you determine by hand-calculating your mileage. In the case of my 2015 F-250 Platinum gasser the number would be 952 to correct the "lie-o-meter" to a more accurate value.
Beautiful truck! I’m my opinion, I like the higher riding trucks because of being able to see over most cars, therefore being able to see hazards earlier as you drive down the road. Most of the annoyances of the higher truck can be addressed with products like you are going to put on (I think those steps will look better than the ugly “GM like” box steps that the ‘23’s Fords will have)!
Meanwhile blocking the view of everyone behind you😂😂
@@laprepper 🤷♂️
What is your experience towing a goose neck trailer with your high riding truck?
Yeah no kidding its like you dont even see people in smaller cars right? Maybe that is why i always got a grill of one of these big dumb garbage trucks inches away from my rear bumper.
@@pikadroo no that’s probably because you are doing less than the flow of traffic 😂
Ram 2500 has coil suspension in the rear and you can add aftermarket airbags with significant ride improvement unloaded - no leaf springs. Airbags are a must for heavier loads however. I believe the RAM 3500's are still leaf sprung in the rear.
So, my question to Kellderman would be, if I move the exhaust, would their kit work? I know that’s not ideal, but if the exhaust is the only issue, there are ways around it. Especially on a gasoline power train.
I will stick with my 1990 Dodge 250 diesel,5 speed, 4x4,manuel locking hubs. The odometor quit about 20 years ago at 262ish thousand miles. this past summer I went on a 450 mile trip empty and with my son and his smart phone he figured we got almost 20 mpg. My Dad bought the truck new and would get a little over 20 mpg. The engine has only been opened to adjust valves. Everything else is just normal matanence. I won't get rid of this truck untill I can't get parts anymore. It's a Farm truck and pulls a 25 foot goose neck cattle trailer ,a 25 ft goose neck flat bed and anything that a pickup should and shouldn't pull. Its a work truck and it WORKS. Thank for your videos and God Bless.
Ram 2500 has TRUE full air suspension. It is a 5 link, and has a setting to lower the rear end as though the truck is loaded...kind of a "reverse leveling" setting.
Works great, rides MUCH smoother than steel springs!
When I bought my 1997 Bounder gas powered class A motorhome, I wanted a gas engine. It got about 8 mpg, and I am still happy with that. The oil changes cost about $40 - $50, so much less than a diesel and fuel filter change each year. With 40,000 miles between 1997 and 2008, that is about 4,000 miles per year, or say 500 gallons of gas, and the insurance was probably as expensive as the gas each year. Spending another $25,000 on a diesel pusher motorhome, and I would be spending more on insurance too!
I think that the gas F-350 would be a great pick when you are not driving over 5,000 miles per year!
Big Diesel pickup trucks dont get 22mpge empty or 17mpg loaded . A BIG gas pickup truck can get 11mpg empty & 9 mpg LOADED. With the price of diesel fuel TWICE that of Gasoline they are Equal, BUT 6000$ cheeper to buy 20,000 miles of FREEEE FUEL= A "no brainer" ; UNLESS you are pulling around an extra 10,000lbs around EVERY day -ALL DAY & YEAR in and Year out, then get the Diesel & DEF buggy. A small pillow is GREAT for "lumbar support ". An "air -baggy" system can replace 1 2nd main leef spring & the "over-load pack" = 1500$ after-market fabbed up.Thank you Tim & Christy for another Excelent vidio rendition. Best wishes with all your endeavours.
I have a 22 7.3 crew cab long box lariat single rear wheel F350 with snow plow and 5th wheel prep, carpet delete and 3.73 gears. I get mid 15 mpg hand calculated empty driving conservatively. Towing an 8000 lb travel trailer averages about 10.5. Do you have 4.10 gears in yours? I absolutely love my truck! It tows better than my old 2002 7.3 diesel, sounds awesome when it is pulling hard and is the most comfortable vehicle I have owned in my 57 years. Big difference for me is I drive my vehicles till they are worn out and when you get a new one with 20 years of improvements it sure feels fine. Interestingly, it is mostly the guys buying the high end high dollar rigs that do the most complaining about ride, shift harshness, height, etc. Those who work these trucks for a living tend to love them. The 7.3 engine is flat out awesome and is designed to last and produce tons of torque at normal operating revs. Compare the torque curves of the big three HD gas engines and you will see that Ford 7.3 is the leader in max torque and quite literally blows the doors off the other two (especially Ram) in 1500 rpm torque. And torque is all that matters for a working HD truck.
I have a 2022 Platinum with the Godzilla engine and I have not experienced anything as you have described. I have had multiple Range Rovers with air suspension and would never want that on my F-350. The suspension on this truck and some of the earliest models I've had (72',76", 78") and there is no comparison. I have no complaints so far with about 11K miles on the truck. I just drove it across NY state back and forth in one shot - about 14 hours of driving and this truck was way more comfortable than any previous year I've had. I get better mileage than my 2017 with the 6.2. . If you have trouble getting into the bed of the truck, then start by doing some more exercise - I'm 5' 9" - 58 years old and have no problem jumping on that truck anywhere (not try'n to be mean). Don't let those JD tractors do all the work, even if they can - get out there and use a shovel. BTW - I love my JD 1025R and so do my neighbors.
Ford tech for 30 years, and all your concerns and ideas are 100% valid. From suspension, actual usefulness and limited option ordering are what everyone asks about. Gonna keep my 07 350 v10 forever.
We just restored the 1988 F-250 4x4 my dad purchased slightly used in 1990. I’m not sure if we made the right decision or not, but a lot of the petty annoyances you mention on the new fancy units aren’t an issue. Ours has the 7.5 / 460, excellent visibility with the custom fabricated flatbed. We have AMP fold-out running boards, airbag suspension and a backup camera in the rear view mirror. We have no key fob. We plan to keep it local for now and will rent from Enterprise Truck for occasional trips. Again….maybe we should have bought a new one….maybe not. Time will tell.
I live in the Pacific Northwest where I need to both haul those loads AND negotiate rough terrain. My own driveway requires 4x4 and some clearance. A lower or RWD truck would just get stuck around the farm.
Most of the pure equipment haulers here use the dually F350 or F450s or equivalent RAMs.
Should have gotten a GMC or Chevorlet
I drive a SRW 3500 Denali diesel and I get about 21 mpg Highway and 14-15 mpg City. Towing 8ish… and I calculate at the pump. I do 5 mph over the limit on the highway.
Tim I bought a 2022 laterite f250 in January and got rid of it in August with less than 4,000 miles. At 200 miles I lost the steering pump after that it was on going computer issues. Neither ford or the local dealer were helpful. If it sounds like I’m bitter it is because I am. I hope you have better luck. I always enjoy the videos. Merry Christmas and a happy new year
Tim, I loved using my IPhone to start, unlock and just about everything else with the ford.
There are some videos on here that show you how to adjust the correction factor for the fuel mileage display. I had to drop my number by about 75. Now it is way closer
If you are looking for a lower truck, I believe the 2WD option will be lower to the ground. Most of us that buy 4x4's like/need the extra hight for our use. I never go off road, but plow snow, thus the need for 4x4 and the xtra hight. A lot of these trucks are construction trucks working on unfinished roads and construction sites. Then there are the off roaders. Not sure I could spend $70000 to $100000 to go mudding and feel good about it, but guys do it everyday. I have a 2019 w/6.2 and just ordered a 2023 w/7.3. Good review thank you.
Enjoyed your review of the truck,
I am not financially able to buy a new truck, guess I will just have to keep my old 2005 dodge diesel, so far so good, great old truck without all the epa requirements,
You have a beautiful truck enjoy it,
Tim, I couldn't agree more when it comes to truck height! I have a '19 F-250 STX, 6.2 gas with FX4 package and man it is a tall truck! I'm probably Christie's height at around 5'4" and I can barely see into the bed. I always liked my older trucks with a shorter stance because you can easily grab things out of the back, ie a gas can when you run to the gas station. I like the stance of the new, taller trucks, but it is not very functional, especially for short people.
According to your gross combined weight rating, you ordered the truck with 3.73 axle ratios. Do you regret not ordering it with 4.30 axle to increase your gross combined rating and have a faster take off from stop? I’m looking at possibly buying a new Super Duty and was wondering if you feel a higher ratio axle would be beneficial.
Spot on Tim. I've had 2 GMC 3500 HD trucks and have been totally disappointed in the quality. Problems start occurring around 50,000 to 60,000 miles, just as the warranty expires. I've been shopping for a new truck and researching the big 3. Totally disappoint that all have weak points and problems. Quality is a thing of the past, just build them glitzy. Lots of fancy electronics and big tires to make them look cool. I would like to have a good quality truck that I can get into without a stepladder. The height is ridiculous. I would have to raise the header on my garage door to get the 81.5" 2024 Ford into the stall. The cost is getting ridiculous. I have the ability to purchase any of them but I'm at the point I don't care to own any of them.
Tim, the power running boards in the Chevy new 1500 (and maybe other models) trucks have a feature that you can push them when extended and they shift backwards to use as a step into the bed. Great video, thanks for doing it.
Good review! I just traded my 6.0 Ford for a 2021 XLT with the 7.3 gas. I love it so far, it pulls everything we have, without the diesel headaches. I’m getting 16 mpg unloaded on the interstate.
See I love the height of the truck. I've waited year's to get the height in a factory trim. Living in Wyoming every one drives a truck and having it high is better in snow and off road.
You can adjust the computer settings to make the dash MPG read the correct amount. It’s in settings and pretty simple.😎
I like that you had some humility and weren't just a guy indulging in his consumerism and materialism.
My GMC MPG indicator is extremely accurate on trips and really close on regular daily driving.
Great video. Funny about the height of trucks these days. Had a ‘96 f150 and could easily load it flat-footed all day. These days its best to get the heavy duty full extension slide out bed trays. Of course bolting down the hardware into the bed of a brand new $80,000 truck would be painful. Air suspensions can be good if you are constantly hauling, but you may loose the use of your shocks(rougher ride) when driving normally. You may be surprised at how much better the ride is with a basic set of bilstein or fox shocks-I did on my f150, front and rear with great results, no decrease in hauling or towing. Along with being pulled over due to operating the truck over max gvwr, if you get in a wreck you could be at fault, potentially charged with manslaughter worst case, even if someone pulls out in front of you.
I have a 2022 F350 Super Duty XLT with the 7.3 Gas, and 3.73 Rear Gears. The Truck will Most Definitely Make Your Back Hurt On Long Trips! Would Love an Air Ride Seat! and/or Softer or Variable Rate Springs!! Keep Up with the Good Information!
Thanks to Christy for filming standing up on a step stool, Great Video.
I have a 2016 F350 Lariat with the diesel 4x4 crew cab and tried what you did last year. I have just under 90k om the 2016 and ordered a more basic Supercab XL with a 7.3 8" bed and gooseneck hitch setup in March. I got notified in August my special order F350 got cancelled but I could roll it into a 2023. Ford changed their option packages and all 2023 7.3L must have a $10k 4x4 package.
I agree trucks are too high and should come with air suspension. All F350s and up should come with the gooseneck prep as standard equipment. They also should have 60 to 80 gallon fuel tanks as well. My Lariat has many options I don't care for and do not use. I got a great deal on it as it was a special order that was not claimed. I have a CDL so I haven't worried too much gross weight as I rarely carry anything more that 14K on the gooseneck that can carry a 15.7k load before it maxes out.
I daily an 04 Chevy with 8.1 Allison combo. When I bought this truck more than 10 years ago with 40k miles from original owner. This truck was 15k$ cheaper than same truck with diesel. I have 167 k miles now and only normal maintenance oil belts alternator battery and radiator. I regeared truck to 4.56 due to running taller tires. Love how it runs and pulls. Hauled trailers all over surrounding states. I am in Texas so not short drive anywhere. Much lower cost of ownership than my friends diesels. I would buy new gas. My boss has new 7.3 gas and I have driven routinely and it is nice. I am gm nut but would consider a new 7.3 Ford with tremor package. Waiting anxiously for new 24 gm trucks.
I agree. all manufacturers are building these pick-ups way to high off the ground.. And also they aren't doing anyone who uses a truck to haul or work out of by putting those 20 and 22 inch wheels on a pickup.
The larger diameter wheels are needed for the larger brakes needed to stop the higher loads these trucks are rated for.
LiquidSpring suspension for both front and rear axles is the way to go. Avoid air suspension kits as the failure rate on components is high. Company I work for used to install air suspension on ambulances all the time, but now we might install 1 every 3 years. 75% of ambulance built use LiquidSpring suspension on the rear axle. Suspension kits from them are good for 2017+ on F350 chassis.
I have a 2021 F250 STX with the 7.3L.
My 250 ride quality isn't too harsh but I think its because my tires are mounted to an 18" rim rather than 20" and they are rated to be inflated to 60 psi rather than the 80psi needed for the 350 rating. Even still, I looked into suspension upgrades to soften the ride further but was afraid it would come at the expense of my towing capacity. I have left it alone for now.
Exactly correct......truck with an 18 inch rim will ride better than a truck with a 20 inch rim. Check Out Carli Suspension website and or the CJC Off-Road website. CJC is a large retailer for Carli products. CJC recommends Firestone air bags with Daystar cradles to maintain OEM GVWR - Towing - Payload specs. The Daystar cradles allow for rear axle articulation off-road and also to prevent the destruction of the air bags.
@@15Jeep Thanks for the tip!
@@stevengrey1948 You're Welcome! CJC also has both Dynatrac and EMF high quality aftermarket ball joints for the front steering....much better than OEM. For Super Duty brake replacement, check out Power Stop Z36 rotors (drilled and slotted), calipers and pads.
A neat gadget to have on a truck with power door locks and interior hood latch release.....is remote (frame mounted) battery terminals...so a locked truck can be jump started if the battery is dead. Check Out RX 2 battery terminals.
One more thing. The Dana 60 front axle on the Ford Super Duty trucks has been around for decades. The older Dana 60's had serviceable Timken bearings. The new Dana 60's (last 20+ years) have "unit bearings".....plastic encased...wear out and throw away (not serviceable). Dynatrac offers Heavy Duty Free Spin Kits for Ford and Dodge trucks.
Expensive.....but very reliable and very durable compared to the OEM parts out of the front spindles of the newer Dana 60's. One draw back so some people.....the Heavy Duty reliable DynaLoc hubs will have to be manually locked in before getting in mud and or snow......but they won't break or go out like the cheap plastic encased unit bearings.....leading to a stuck truck.
Numerous upgrades and handy accessories for Ford Super Duty trucks. Lots of information on --------> www.fordtremor.com