Tim the main reason these trucks are so tall now is because they have raised the body up higher, so the floors are almost flat. The older generations trucks had a huge transmission tunnel for the trans and the drive shaft aka the hump as we use to call it.
Yeah I have a 2001 Ram 2500 (second gen) , it has 3500 rear suspension, and 2” coil spacers on the front to level the truck out with the beefier rear end, and 35” tires, my roof line is at the same height as all new modern 1500’s but I have nearly a foot more ground clearance. All new cabs are more upright, and taller for more headroom, making the truck seem a lot taller then it actually is, yet the frame is so much lower.
@gordon borsboom I would say yes because you have a choice on the console. The console is functional for the occupation of the cab. The trans tunnel is just an obstacle that the occupants have to deal with. In crew cabs the tunnel affects the rear seats also.
The 20" wheels and tires do not make the truck taller. The OD of the 17", 18" and 20" tires are all the same from the factory. The 20" rim is taller but the sidewall is lower, which results in a more stiff ride, but better control on the highway, with less load capacity (the air in the tire is what actually carries the load), and a much higher replacement cost later.
It would all depend on what tires were installed at the factory . Between the 18 and 20 inch tires from the factory options with 20 in installed the truck could sit 2 to 3 inches taller.
@@randalls5210 No true. going from 18 to 20 is only a 1 inch radius change. More importantly, it is the tire OD that matters. When I bought mine, the factory tires on the 17", 18" and 20" rims all had the same OD.
@@carperdiem8754 There is a very minor OD difference between the 18" and 20" combo. Most people are unaware that there is more variation in OD depending upon the brand of tire and the specific tire chosen. In a given size (275/70r18) one brand may be 33" OD and another brand 34" OD of the same size tire but different tread tire.
@@briangc1972 does ford use different brands on the two sizes? Coopers run a bit big at 33.4, but most are at 33.2. On the 20s the smallest AT tires run around 34.1. So still a small difference.
The key pad is a feature that I never thought I needed, until I had it. I use it most often when camping. Truck is locked, keys are in the trailer, type my code in, and just like magic the doors are unlocked. It’s not earth shattering, it’s just convenient.
I like that feature too. However, no way to get into the truck without a lock smith if the battery (or batteries) are dead. Good reason to install R2X - Remote Battery Post Terminals.
@@15Jeep I thought Ford has it too but my RAM has 2 battery sensors that monitor and if they get low it goes into battery saver mode so the power locks will still work.
This is why I prefer my old 1995 F 250. Full length running boards. 7.3 diesel. Low bed rail height. Simple technology. Old reliable. Plus it’s hard to break things when you only make 200 hp.
Twin tanks... my dad's work truck was a 97 F350 7.3 5spd Std cab short wheelbase dually.. Had a steel flat bed on it and towed a 32ft goose neck trailer with a 1982 4400 JD and a Detriot diesel powered Herbicide spreader with chemical+100gal of water. pulled like a Freight train, still on the road now with well over 275,000 miles
I had the 1994 250 XLT 😊 till 2018.Chevy2500 with 8ft. leaf springs suck ass. I just bought a Ram with coil springs. WOW rides so great it crazy. Im about what works... not a brand.
@@crewdawg2008 actually it is because it will need a new radiator and it will need bulletproof a new head studs around 300,000 miles and the cost of all that will be about $6000
@@l8tapex yeah ram has been building better riding trucks since 94. I bought the first year of the new model ram and I had so much more horsepower on a better ride than my brand new Ford. I traded my Ford back in at the dealership and went and bought a ram and put 400,000 miles on that gas engine.
Good info about your decision. We switched from the F350 Super Duty Diesel to the 7.3 gasser this year too. We have few regrets. I like how quiet the truck is. I like how you can hear that exhaust note rumble when you are pulling heavy. Ours is the XLT and we really miss the leather seats and the center console. We actually did a couple videos on our channel of why we made the change and what options were “must have” for us. We tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel with ours.
The rim size has nothing to do with the height. The 20” wheel as a smaller side wall than the 18”. The diameter is the same on both. The 2023 coming out fixes almost every option you are having issue with.
Yeah the wheel size has nothing to do with it, the tire sidewall adjusts per rim size to make the same diameter for each trim level. They aren’t going to reprogram the trans for every specific wheel/tire package diameter from the factory. Every diameter is the same.
Everyone keeps saying that..but this one is about 4” higher than my 2018 which was equipped same way with smaller wheels. Others even say that they lowered the 2020 models. Wish I had taken photo of my 2018 right beside this one to prove the 4”.
That color is really slick. Jumping from the diesel to the 7.3 or any gas engine is a smart move. I know your fuel mileage is not amazing right now but the truck only has 500 miles. It still needs to break in. I am really not a huge fan of diesel trucks anymore. They are expensive to buy, expensive drive, and expensive to maintain. With Diesel being about $1.50 more a gallon where I am, it would take probably at least 200k miles of driving to offset the cost. Something you forgot to mention is you no longer have to ay for DEF and any expensive repairs related to the DPF(Not that you had a issue, yet). I can not believe Kelderman would not do the kit on a gas truck because of the exhaust. That is ridiculous since the exhaust system on a gas truck is smaller and less complex. If it really is only the exhaust, you could order the kit and have a exhaust shop do custom routing for you on the exhaust. Just a thought.
Be interested to see what you (and Christy) think of the power running boards after using them for a few months. My initial reaction was like yours, but now I love them. They are the first running boards I have had that actually make it easier to get in and out of the truck because they lower to the correct height to step rather than leap! IMO, fixed running boards are too high to actually be useful. Great video - I agree that the truck market is ripe for disruption - the big three have gotten "comfortable" and they are all having huge reliability issues!
I would like to add that the power running board sits farther from the truck allowing you to use them to exit the vehicle. I find with the fixed running board on could only get the back of my foot at best on the running board and it usually slid off. I also think the power running board provides more protection for the truck as it is tucked under and up against the body where the fixed running board is mostly outside the truck area.
You're absolutely right about height. I did a major project that involved daily hauling of many small but heavy parts for 6 months. I have a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 and a 1989 GMC 2500. The Dodge is nowhere near as tall as your truck, but I ended up using the 89 GMC for almost all of the project because it was so miuch easier to load and unload. This is despite the fact the air conditioner didn't work in the summer! The newer trucks are not actually built to carry loads that are loaded or unloaded by hand, because there's no practical way to get items in or out. As you said, I think it's just a cool factor. We need trucks that actually work! If you're not happy now, wait until you're stuck with a government mandated electric truck that won't even pull a trailer for a hundred miles. That's a subject for another day and another video.
You said the 2023 Super Duty has all the same problems, but the 2023 actually now comes with bedside and rear bumper steps built in. There is also the option to order flip out steps for additional ease of access to the bed. That is a huge improvement for the issue you have with the truck height and the bed access.
Interesting review. I am glad you mentioned more than once how grateful you are to be able to afford such a vehicle. We all take so much for granted. Yes, Detroit has gotten into a race of who can build the bigger more outrageous truck the last decade. I too think the new trucks are very cool, but good grief are they huge/tall.
The truck prices are ridiculous especially for all the trouble they have with them. As far as affording it you have certainly worked hard for it and deserve it.
Tall as it is at both ends, your truck still has some rake (the back end is taller than the front, probably 2-3”). You should be able to replace some of the blocks between your rear leaf springs and axle with smaller ones or you might be able to replace the shackles with ones that would lower your rear ride height down to level with the front without affecting your load capacity. If you’re going to be loaded heavy, you may want to add air bags to avoid your rear end squatting lower than the front. A lot of folks that pull rv’s or big horse trailers do this for clearance under their fifth wheels or goosenecks.
Sadly, you're one of the few that truly uses the truck as "intended". The mass majority of truck owners these days are just driving it because they're HUGE and a status symbol more or less. Or just pull a camper and once a year with it and drive it daily anyways. It seems the newer trucks cater to this group more than the ones who needs to use them as a true truck. Like no bed access except a step that can't be used with a trailer, etc.
Yeah my cousin bought a chevy 2500 gas truck and he was mislead completely. Not only does it not pull very well but the fuel mileage is extremely bad. It gets 12 mpg at best. I have a 2020 duramax and it pulls anything and gets 15 mpg. 25 when not pulling.
@@bjenkins803 I'm still in a 2001 Cummins and its the same thing. Zero "luxury" but will pull a tank up a mountain and gets roughly 20mpg doing it. Lol
@@greenwoodsbushhogging6704 Yeah those are good trucks. My cousins gas truck is a 2021 and they told him it will pull whatever and they improved the mileage. They just wanted to sell him a gas truck because they had so many. Everyone wants a diesel and they didn't have any then. They threw window tint if he bought it lol.
Greenwood sounds like sounds like someone gets upset an jealous a-lot that people get nice things. Not being able to reach in a truck and being super sensitive to loud noises makes it used as “intended”? The complaints made a video, but all I hear is 1st world complaints. What about tall people? Are the manufacturers supposed get your height before ordering. Maybe you should “lower” it since you personally don’t like the height. Some people are tall that’s why they’d move to a larger truck so they’re not cramped. Also the wheels don’t Raise the truck Tim the outer diameter of the tire size changes it. The Japanese cars/trucks you spoke of also have 10yr outdated technology maybe stick to the ridge line or get an older truck you could definitely get a nice low mileage rig for as much money that is wasted trading new trucks in complaining over a whole lot of nothing just for a video. Or stick to something smaller your more comfortable in. Doesn’t sound like the trucks problem.
My uncle had a platinum F150. The automatic side steps are a nightmare for him. After heavy salt or even a little mad around the farm they would get stuck out or get stuck in or just not come out at all. After about five years the motor and the side steps were completely gone it was a very expensive fix. Automatic side steps are great when they are new but when they wear down they lock up.
I agree, mud and or snow build up can cause the power running boards to not function. That is reason why I set mine on the 2022 F350 7.3L 4WD Tremor to not deploy when the roads are snow packed or during mud season out west. In addition, I have a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Hard Rock and an older F-150 4WD. Very little salt is used on paved roads in the Rocky Mountain states. I know people who have 10 - 12 year old trucks and have never replaced the motors.
My biggest complaint with the ride height on these new trucks comes into play when pulling goosenecks. I'm 6' 3" so reaching stuff isn't much of an issue for me but trying to get the trailer to ride level can be nearly impossible, especially on the older trailers. Then by the time you've got the coupler retracted far enough to level things out the clearance between the neck and the bed rails is down to nothing so you can only turn on a perfectly flat surface. Totally impractical if you're actually using the truck the way a truck should be used.
That’s the exact reason I’m staying with my 2016 f350. My horse trailer would only have one wheel on the ground behind the newer truck or have an inch of clearance.
My uncle bought a new 350 last year but his was a ,well I forget the correct term but with no bed on it. He had a custom aluminum bed with tool boxes an auxillary fuel tank built in. Well it sits way lower than my 2016. And yes both are 4x4 so there is an option for a new one that sits lower
Enjoy your videos. One of the reasons for the higher trucks is the extended cab. People wanted a flat floor in the back seat. Look at older models that are lower and you will see a big driveshaft tunnel running through the cab.
Great video, and I agree with everything on the new trucks. It makes it harder to buy new ones when older or flat bed trucks are more friendly to work out of. Thanks for the honest review.
I have no complaints with my 2022 F350 7.3. I love it. It’s a beast. I have the same lime green trailer lol. I tow about 15,500 with mine no problems. I love the rumble coming out of the back. I have a MBRP on mine.
My Dad just bought the 2023 , yes Platinum, he towed 12K lbs across states more than 8K miles, 360 camera got hit by a rock, he stopped at a dealership in N carolina, Dealer got a new camera free of charge , oil change and the works , yes free of charge, Man Loves his truck, He loves all the technology that came with the truck. Ford did hit the truck out of the ball park EXCEPT $82K
Great review Tim. In my 40 years of driving (90% pickup trucks) with 30+ brand new vehicles because of high mileage driving, I have owned Chevy and Fords. Two years ago I took the plunge on a Ram 1500 Limited 4x4. I will never go back to Chevy or Ford. The ride quality and creature comforts are amazing on the Ram. Other than changing oil and tires I have spent $0.00 on any type of repairs. Good luck with your beautiful new truck!
@@TheTradosaurus the big 3 truck manufacturers have their issues. None of them are perfect. Ram is no worse than any of the other 2. Just different issues.
One very simple way to smooth out the ride on these 350/3500 series trucks is to lower the tire pressure when traveling unloaded. The ride is still stiff but it gets rid of a lot of the harshness.
Hi, I own a 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3, and my doors unlock with the fob in my pocket. Only have to put your hand near the handle. Also has push start. Comes with the Lariat Ultimate package... Sorry you had to wait so long to get yours. I ordered mine Oct 11, 2021, it arrived on Dec 16 2021. Only 8 weeks! I also have the same color, with camel interior and love it. Good luck!
I had the chance to tow with a Ram 3500 dually that had the factory air suspension, the added stability was amazing, it should be standard on all heavy duty trucks. Another note Semi's also have leaf springs in tandem with their air suspension.
You just summed up why I love my 2021 Limited 3500. Air suspension and 2-stage engine braking makes the towing a breeze! Sure, I'd love a more modern trans, but under towing, the Aisin shines!
I replaced the 2035 lb per side leaf springs with 3300 lb per side leafs from husky spring and upgraded my factory shocks to bilstein 5100 shocks and my truck now rides better than a half ton. The husky springs have more leaves and have a more gradual arch. No lift in height from stock but amazing ride and load handling improvements.
Heavier capacity springs, and stiffer valved shocks somehow makes the ride like a 1/2 ton, huh… must have been all that snake oil the springs were soaked in😂
@@robmd3851 actually they have 8 leaves I believe and they are not as stiff. Many years ago I remember in 4 wheeler them writing if you ever change leaf packs get the ones with more leaves because they will ride better. I was shocked actually. Figured it was going to ride awful. But my factory leaves had flattened out and it was beating me to death already so I tried it. I knew I needed more capacity because the flat bed I added was heavier. Turned out great. But it might have been the Pb blaster during install. 😂
We purchased a 2014 Ram 3500 about 6 years ago. It had a 6.7l Cummins engine with a 6 speed manual transmission. Honestly it didn’t have the raw grunt low end power that my 2003 2500 has. The fuel economy of the 3500 was just so, so, and the engine detuned for the clutch/flywheel combination. It was almost criminal what the EPA and Ram did to that engine. I got so tired of the hassles with the 2014. I have since decided to rebuild my 2003 from the frame up. So at least I know what I have, and save about 70,000 in the process. Nice truck you have. Everything I have read about the 7.3l gas engine has been positive. It should give you many years of service.
Tim I bought a step for my truck that hung over the back of the tire with a step in front of the tire. It was a great way to reach into the bed of the truck. The only issue with this step is forgetting it’s there and driving away and crushing it.
Good video bringing up some valid points. I bet the air ride suspension would work with a minor tweak to the exhaust. IMO, it would be worth it. I found that dropping the pressure in the tires and upgrading to Fox 2.0 reservoir shocks helps tremendously with ride quality. Good luck with the new ride. It would be great to hear your thoughts from time to time on it.
Bought my 2017 used with fox shocks. Not sure when the previous owner put them on because I bought it with 43k, but just replaced them at 62k. Ride never felt good from the time I bought it. One of the fox shocks had absolutely zero gas/liquid left. I could have rebuilt them but for the price of that I went out and bought billstein 5100s. Hopefully I get more than 20ish thousand out of these compared to the terrible foxes.
The power steps are an advantage for older people and for me with large feet. I had a 2010 Ford 2wd Expedition with factory steps and my 74 year old mother had issues getting in and out. I replaced it with a 2010 Limited model with power steps and she could now easily get in and out. The steps come down 2 inches further than the factory steps, stick out from the vehicle further by at least an inch, and were at least 1" wider than the factory steps. If you keep your speed under 15-20mph (depends on tire) gravel is not thrown up from the road/driveway. Gravel roads are not meant to be driven at fast speeds. I have a 2017 Ford Expedition and a 2015 F350 diesel and I have found the factory fuel MPG estimate within 0.3 and 0.7 for both vehicles every time I check it with an actual calculation. The camera going foggy is not an electric failure, it's a plastic quality issue with the antiglare coating on the camera that has failed under UV light, cheap material. Any vehicle over 10,000lbs is considered commercial under federal law, but does not require a CDL unless it's weight/Combined weight is over 26,000lbs or has over 15 passengers. All states adhere to these laws, but some states may require additional requirements for it's citizens. Like I'm supposed to have a NC Class A License (non CDL) because my trailer has a GVWR over 10,000lbs. Mr. Hoover could probably explain better.
I have a 2022 F250 Lariat Tremor. The amp research steps work great. I have all 3. I don’t have to pull out my key fob to unlock my truck or turn it on.
Tim I went back to gas 2 years ago with my 3500 Gmc. Very happy with it. No it don’t pull as hard as Diesel but I’m not in a big hurry. Between cost of Diesel option being 10k, cost of fuel and maintenance couldn’t justify diesel. Don’t drive it everyday ,it just pulls. Figure my Mpg by hand and not seeing a big difference between gas and diesel. Pulling 13k (weight empty)5th wheel I’m getting 9mpg which I’m happy with. Height of truck I’m happy with as I need clearance as I do go off-road with a cabin in the middle of no where up north, and GMC have steps front and back so hooking gooseneck and 5th wheel is fine. Nice looking truck.
My 2018 lariat 250 does have keyless entry and push button start, I think it's part of the Lariat ultimate package so you don't have to go to a platinum just for that. in 2018 the only option the platinum had that was actually better IMO than the Lariat was the massage seat.
The 3500 Rams leaf spring in the air ride suspension is mainly for locating the axle. Having ridden in one with air, there is a NOTICEABLE difference in ride quality. As far as truck height, remember that axles and frames and such are bigger. If you section the frame if your dad's truck and your truck, one is probably 3-4" taller. Plus you got 4wd... 2wd are shorter.
Thanks for showing the new truck. I believe you are spot on when you stated manufactures are trying to built them big, tall and "mean" looking even when it detracts from being useful. Seems crazy not to have options for adjusting height and different suspension packages. My old 2004 Chevy Duramax has crank windows, a huge 8 ft bed and can tow anything I put behind it. Plus no DEF needed !!! But I do like your new truck and I am sure it will serve you well.
I guess I got a rare dmax then. 2015 with 250k miles, heavy towing with a lift and has been bulletproof so far. The only thing I've had to replace was the thermostat.
@@stevenlharris have to agree my 2004 has served me well with few issues and a pretty hard life in the early yrs. I don't push her too hard now but does all a need..and no DEF needed!!!
I always put my foot up on the back tire and pull myself up and over the bed side of my lifted 99 F350, but I guess I'm still a young feller that doesn't need running boards and bed side steps. Always interesting to hear what you have to say Tim! Real beauty of a truck that you have there.
The 7.3 is notoriously known for being inefficient on fuel. That's the mileage I get with my Cummins loaded 20,000 pounds up and down mountains hot shotting.
Tim we have a gas 2015 Silverado 6.0 4 door dually 4: 10 rear with 58,000 miles in 8 years. it gets 12 mpg religiously empty with our 9500# TT it gets 6mpg and it HATES hills. very dissapointed in it !
All of the fancy tailgates that trucks come with now look good upfront but I really wonder how well they will hold up in the long-term. So many moving parts I'm afraid they will be a maintenance nightmare, same thing applies to the power running boards! I do certainly agree with you about the high sides being a major pain and I really don't see any advantage to them!
AMP research makes the power running boards for his truck. You can get a switch installed that will leave them down all the time if you want. never heard of any real problems with any of the AMP research boards. I suggest you get some front wheel well mud flaps, that's should help take care of your rock problem.
One of the reasons the trucks have raised up is because the government required those new front bumpers that hang down lower to supposedly prevent hitting somebody from behind and climbing up there car. More government regulations for a negligible problem.
@@ictpilot The government didn't Req the truck to be raised. Yes, they Req the bumpers to be a certain maximum height above the road but if the truck hadn't been raised they would have needed to extend the bumper downward! Ford is the one that decided to raise the truck so that they had to put the lower bumper extensions on!
Love the videos, Tim. I’m sure someone beat me to it and I’ll only succeed in adding fodder to the GM/Ford debate, but my GMC half-ton’s 6.2 makes just a few hp/ft-lbs less than your 7.3 and routinely gets *measured* 19mpg unloaded and 12-13mpg loaded with 9klbs of bumper pull and Kubota L4060+implements. My electric fold-out running boards have a feature that slide them back to the rear tire to reach the bed. I use it quite often and have no complaints. Everyone has loyalties, but entertain options…
He would need a 3500 to tow his equipment. That would be the 6.6 gaser Heavier truck and larger engine would reduce the comparison advantage. GM put 6.5 liter non turbo Diesel engines in HD trucks way back in the 80’s, I think. Dog slow but economical. Mfg’s give us what they think we want coupled with what they can afford to do.
Hello again Tim. Thank you for your opinion. I’m probably the odd Duck out here. I used to keep my trucks 5-6 years, gave that up decades ago. My current rig was purchased new in 01. Yep, not a rust bucket beater either. Low mileage as well, because it’s a personal TRUCK. Not the grocery getter, or the look at me mobile. A tool that I maintain and have pride of ownership in. No Jones mobile, but I get tons of questions/comments on it. Never grossed over 16500 with it and trailer. Current trailering honest weight 14,700. Breadbox aerodynamics means 60mph if you expect 11.5 mpg or so loaded. Not something many will tolerate! At my age I have the time to not abuse the truck and maintain a speed that I can get there safely. 8th decade. A Boomer.
Tim, you are 100% correct, Lower is Better for towing. Also 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks do NOT "Give" enough in the suspension to be a real "off road' truck. 16 inch rims is plenty tall enough, and gives you MORE side wall. Tires are PART of the suspension. .
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Amen. Greatly appreciate your truth and integrity, agree with you on every comment, I hope Ford, GM, Ram truck manufacturers take your comments and implement them. Thank you
Great video Tim. Congrats on the new truck. I have seen that in the Ford fleet Specs guides that I use where I can on certain models alter the weight ratings like you mentioned. I found that really Interesting, when you showed what happened to your cameras, I immediately thought that looked like what I would think looking through the back side of a cloudy headlight cover that had been sun etched would look like. Makes perfect sense that sun will eat away at the clear plastics on the headlight housings, that it would do the same thing on the clear plastic camera lenses housings. All be it for different reasons, I too buy the big Ford Godzilla gas motors in my business HD trucks. For me I buy diesel trucks for myself to use, but because I have seen in the past that many of my employee's that drive the trucks have no clue to diesel truck operations, much less all the emissions equipment. Almost guaranteed if I ordered those F450s we use with Diesels they would end up on hook because one of my people is bound to put either DEF in the diesel tank or Diesel in the DEF tank at some point. LOL The reason I still prefer diesel for myself is nothing really to do with fuel prices one way or the other. For the past few decades Diesel HD trucks have really held their value far and above about any other vehicles on the road. I recently replaced my 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel with a 2023 GMC 2500 HD diesel, and I got about 8K more out of my RAM then I paid for it 8 years ago. Even prior to Covid I would book check the value on that truck typically once a year just to see where I was at. That truck never booked more then 4K less then I paid for it. Due to Covid supply chain problems my old RAM brought a lot more than I ever dreamed it would. Generally, there is a substantial premium in used segment for the diesel option. Which when compared to gas residual values, the diesel always wins by pretty wide margin, typically enough to cover any added cost. With these new more powerful gas trucks of recent years I am going to be very curious to see how that and the high diesel prices effects the HD truck market over the next few years.
Thanks for a honest review. For comparison I drive a 2000 Ford 250 7.3 diesel with a zf6 manual transmission. 19.7 mpg highway lightly loaded, 13 .5 pulling maximum trailer load.
I tried to purchase a Ford F350 or Chevy 3500 in 2020. I checked every dealer within 500 miles. The only trucks available were loaded models, with a hefty surcharge. On the last day of the year I bought a F150 XLT, for $9,500 under sticker, so 30-40k less than the F350s available at the time. It has the 3.5 Eco boost. So far I am totally satisfied. It's very comfortable, great mileage, and easily tows 10,000 lb. I'd like an EcoBoost in the 4.5 - 5 liter range for the superduties.
My 2022 Super Duty Lariat has the keyless entry. I can use either the door handle sensors or the keypad. This was the same on my 2019 F150 Lariat. For the height issue, I purchased the step that hangs over the tire. It works well for me to access my 5th wheel hitch. There's no doubt the ride is a bit rough, but I consider it a trade off for the payload/towing capacity.
Like the truck. In my 2022 with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears the fuel mileage improved as I put miles on it. By the time I got 5000 miles on it I was up to 16mpg (hand calculated) unloaded. When towing (10K) I would be around 9mpg. So you should see some improvements as you put miles on it.
Tim I bought a 2022 laterite f250 in January and got rid of it in August with less than 4,000 miles. At 200 miles I lost the steering pump after that it was on going computer issues. Neither ford or the local dealer were helpful. If it sounds like I’m bitter it is because I am. I hope you have better luck. I always enjoy the videos. Merry Christmas and a happy new year
This was great Tim, it all resonates with me and my truck uses. I have the same observations even on a different brand. My biggest gripe is the price of new trucks -- while my truck does the job, at some point you can no longer talk about value because the trucks have gotten so expensive. But until consumers stop forking over the money, the manufacturers will keep charging high prices. These big trucks are extremely profitable and they know it.
All the dealers (all makes ) near me are all charging 10k over sticker! no way in hell would i pay that, i will keep running my current trucks. i would like to trade mt 2018 ram 3500 dually diesel for a new model but not for the crazy prices, no way!
I really think the next big thing for these truck is air suspension so they can squat enough to be loaded. They are tall which is great for on road visibility and poor conditions, but loading is almost impossible.
Feeling a whole lot of your same pains in acquiring a new truck. Kind of like you, with trade prices, i ordered a new truck in aug of 2021. It is scheduled to be built April 10th - That's my reality, and still didn't get exactly what I wanted but close enough. Trucks are high as hell for sure with a 3/4 or 1ton. fortunately, I have a different flavor and I do love the bumper steps and looking forward to the bed step in front. But man, trucks with a heavy suspension that can pull never rode so nice as they do today or so quiet. They're fancier than a Coupe DeVille from 30 years ago. Best of luck with that beast - and ck the oil! I see some scary stuff about that engine but then, it's the internet and who knows what is real. Your mileage is, totally believe it.
9:45 yeah my Grandfather said the same thing after he bought his 2005 F150 4x4. Couldnt reach over the bed side and grab anything from the bed floor and he was in his late 60s early 70s as a Citrus grower.. The ONLY Ford he ever regretted buying after his 93 F250 non-turbo Diesel gave in. That was a 4x4 on 1/2ton 17s not a 4x4 1ton on 19s or 20s My mom's current Ram 1500 4x4 is on 20s, and is roughly the same height by an inch to my Dad's 2005 Ram 3500 4x4 24v Cummins Dually... New trucks come preinstalled with lift blocks along with the flat floor (no trans hump) Not really what you want when you have back problems, getting older etc. Both my parents are in their upper 60s and couldnt drive stick and hold the clutch on a 8000-10000lb truck anymore because of their knees. It's gotten way out of hand and there's no need for it to be that high with that much fender to wheel gap running 20s on a 275/60 30-32" tire factory
Great review. I would think a reroute of the exhaust would be a simple fix. The air setup should work wether it’s gas or diesel just might need to modify the exhaust. I’m surprised they aren’t supporting the 7.3 as I’ve seen quite a few guys lately switching from diesel to gas. Regardless, very nice truck congrats!
I will also add. I think the 20 inch rims with lower sidewall tires ride rougher. Then the 18 inch rims with the higher sidewall tires. More flex with more sidewall height.
Two responses 1) the retractable running boards are actually part of the aerodynamics the manufacturer is trying to get better gas mileage. Running boards don't act as side skirts like on a racecar, they add huge drag so by retracting them it cleans up the airflow a small bit. 2) I absolutely agree that trucks have gotten too tall and I miss the stepside old trucks used to have
it's a truck, they aren't designed for air flow lmao, you haul and tow*, they are designed to power thru loads, not to get 50mpg like a geo metro. notice the difference everything you can't do with a high mpg vehicle vs a muscular work horse, it's about ability. other wise throw a snow plow on a tesla. the real reason the running boards retract inward and upward like landing gear is to keep them from being broken when you are backing and going over curbs, or tree stumps, or burms and boulders and windrows in farm fields and pasture lands, hence the KING RANCH
@@aprilgeneric8027 yes, trucks are very UN-aerodynamic but all the truck manufacturers spent millions of CFD and wind tunnel testing to get them as good as they can to help their Federal fleet fuel economy standards. Ie, they cleaned them up as much as possible. You argument is only partially true. Yes, having them retract is a convenience for entry/exit and over high objects BUT the time a vehicle is being driven and their need for better numbers for fuel economy is a much greater reason to retract. There have been numerous articles about this in the section of the magazine industry covering automotive aerodynamics
This is one of the best reviews I've seen because you talk about stuff that matters. I just got a 2020 f250 with the 7.3 and I like it but jeez it has a lot of electronic tech stuff that I dont care about at all. I would be just as happy with analog gauges and no screen at all. Is this because I'm 45 now and they are building these things for younger people who grew up with screens everywhere? Oh well. Yes they dont need to be so high either. It's not that you couldn't go off road with the older ones. I went off road (job sites) with my 97 all the time and ground clearance was never an issue. I own and operate a semi for a living now and honestly air bag suspension is simpler and more durable than leaf springs. It rides way better too. The good news is that all the kids that want their pick up to look more like a semi will probably drive the manufacturers to make this standard before too long and coincidentally it will be a useful upgrade for guys who actually pull trailers a lot.
I definitely agree with trucks being to tall. With all the aftermarket options surely there’s something to improve the comfort for you. But for $80.000 you shouldn’t have to go to aftermarket. Overall the issues you have are good issues to have.
@18:38 Bingo! Especially out in the hinterland but I see it here in suburban Chicago also: people buy pickup trucks now to replace their family sedan. In Illinois, any Town less than 5,000 people, they drive a pickup truck even though they don't work on a farm or they don't have a construction company to go to church and to go to the grocery store and to pick the kids up from school.
Tim, I agree that the trucks don’t need to be that high. Yes, there people who want them to be high off the ground. After market equipment is available for lift but there is no real option to lower and better ride. Great review!
They do actually have to be that high given the frame height. Look under the truck, there is the bare minimum of up travel as it is. Lower them and the up travel goes away and you just end up smoking bump stops
First Time Viewer. You made some great points...Kelderman air suspension; air ride seats, etc. I have owned several Ford Super Duty diesel trucks and all trucks but the 2019 and 2022 had fixed running boards and the paint still got chipped. Look up Xpel and Suntek and have PPF (Paint Protection Film) installed on the lower rocker area between the front and rear wheel wells. Both companies have "self-healing" PPF. Another option is to have the rocker areas coated with Linex, Rhino, etc. type of product. I think Linex can be paint matched...or can be painted. I have a 2022 Ford F350 Lariat 7.3L 4WD - UP - BAP - Tremor Package with Ford Performance / Warn 12,000 LB winch; UTTCS (Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System) and numerous other options. I live in a remote area and ordered the optional Power Running Boards....because I do not want a fixed running board on a 4WD truck that goes off-road. I also ordered Carpet Delete which replaces the carpet with Heavy Rubber Flooring with the optional Rubber Floor Mats...as it will be easier to keep clean than carpet. The truck has all but three options. I did not order Adaptive Steering (don't need that...2019 truck had it); Adaptive Cruise Control (2019 truck had it...don't need that, very little interstate driving); or the Power Moonroof as I do not want future likely or potential problems with tracking, leaks, etc. BTW, The Lariat with UP (Ultimate Package) has push button start. Lariat with VP (Value Package) has a key to start the truck. The Upfitter Switches will come in handy for accessories. The Heated Steering Wheel is nice in the winter...but had to order the Rain Sensing Wipers to get it because Ford removed it from the UP which included the Heated Steering Wheel on the 2021 trucks. Guess not many people were buying the optional Rain Sensing Wipers. The 2019 Super Duty truck had the optional UTTCS available as a separate option for $720.00. People were not buying the PTBA (Pro Trailer Backup Assist).....so, Ford packaged the UTTCS with the PTBA for $1655.00. Ford figures out what options people want then they add the options that people don't often purchase...then raise the price. They want to recoup their R & D costs on options that do not sell well. The rim and or tire diameter (18 inch or 20) inch does not determine the actual height of the tire. There are other factors involved. To say it another way, there are tires that mount on 18 inch diameter rims that are taller than tires that mount on 20 inch rims. The tires on the Super Duty trucks with the Tremor package are 35.1 inches tall....and well designed for mud and snow.....great tread void and tread blocks for mud with siping on the blocks for snow. People who own trucks and live in the Rocky Mountain states do use their trucks off-road in both mud and snow.....sometimes encountering snow packed (frozen overnight) roads in the morning and snow melt off creating very muddy conditions in the afternoon. We call it "mud season" from mid March to late April. Most people appreciate the extra height / clearance; approach angle; breakover angle; and departure angle of the Ford and Dodge trucks compared to the lower stance on Chevrolet and GMC 4WD trucks which have low hanging frame rails and can get stuck on small rounded knolls ending up like a teeter totter...quite the sight to see. The GM 4WD trucks are a bad design and not well designed or engineered. 1. IFS axle that does not articulate near as well as a Solid Front axle. 2. Rectangular shaped wheel wells for a round rim and tire.
I've found to the fuel economy on my two Fords to be accurate to +/- 0.5 mpg. I don't top off ever so my fill-up routine is somewhat consistent. I've actually had my Mustang get almost 1 mpg better calculated over what the computer said. Also, the mpgs should improve somewhat on the 7.3 around 5,000 to 7,000 miles.
Our ‘22 F-350 7.3 Lariat - Crew Cab, 8’ bed, SRW with 4.30 rear end - has about 22k miles on it now. We get about 10.5-11 around town, 14-15 on the highway, both hand-calculated across many trips (our dash reading is consistently about +0.5 mpg over the true number). When unloaded 65-73 mph seems to be the sweet spot for the best mileage, starting to decline even when cruising on flat ground over 73 mph. We’ve yet to pull anything very big with it, but with 3700lb in the bed the mileage didn’t change much. My little 4’ 10” wife has to pole vault her way into the bed more or less, but she’s still spry in her mid-30s so she enjoys it. If we were a decade or two older it could definitely be a bit of a problem.
Ihave to agree with you on your points. The packages cause you to have to spend more money to get 1 feature. I try to keep the rim size down! A big complaint I have had is that the manufactures abandoned the size trucks. the Ford Maverick proves that the small truck has it's place. Wished GM still made the S-10!
I have 2021 f350 dually fx4 with 7.3 gasser and 4.30 gearing. I special ordered the truck, took forever to get it. No regrets so far. Have hauled a lot of stuff with gooseneck trailers. It’s not a diesel but it gets the job done with confidence. Thanks for your review, enjoyed it. Good luck with the truck!
The review here is stated extremely well. You’re very practical. Thank you for your thorough review. I appreciate my half ton truck but can’t see spending more for the tows that I pull. People who are clamoring for more flat screens in their vehicles are looking at expensive repairs down the road. Yet that’s what the manufacturers are hoping for, throwaway the old and just buy another brand new.
Yes, I really wish that they would build them lower, I am 6’2” and it is hard for me to do anything in the rear of the truck. Including getting in and out of the truck.
Tim, thanks for the walk through on the truck. I am actually looking to purchasing a new HD truck within the next 18 mos. I will say however, I DO LIKE the height in the trucks. I have a small farm and pull a Horse trailer, a car hauler trailer for my equipment and hay, etc. but really enjoy the height.
The camera problem is the same problem that happens to your headlights , the lens coverings for the camera and the headlights are made of plastic that fades and turns frosty ( cloudy white ) that cuts the headlight projecting capacity and prevents the camera from see through the plastic lens coverings. In my opinion when the headlight lenses becomes so faded that the lights are visibly dimmer into should be a safty hazard. All new cars and trucks in all brands seem to have this problem with the plastic lens fading problem .
However, my 2011 F150 Lariat's backup camera is still as clear as the day I got it. And it's seldom been garaged the entire time. Maybe there was a lens material switch by Ford somewhere since mine was produced?
Tim I think the first OEM to offer a practical lower to the ground work truck could sweep up all of us folks who use them. I need a new half ton but my 2004 ranger allows for ease of load inroads. If they made a new one in crew with 6.5 bed and 48 inches between wheel wells I would buy it. Designers are in a rut.
The Chevrolet 4WD and GMC 4WD trucks with IFS axle and low hanging frame rails sit considerably lower to the ground compared to Ford 4WD and Dodge 4WD trucks. That is among many other reasons is why I would never buy a GM 4WD truck.
The bed-step was option on 2016 F150...The only missing option was "heated Steering Wheel"...on King Ranch. As you say...there is no "Replacement for Displacement"....The Eco-boost turbos ( 3.5 liter) would drop from 20mpg to 8mpg under load. But I bought I for "comfort" at 6' and 250lbs!...and RARELY pulled a trailer. I did load it with a 14cf freezer and Texas beef to Alabama and it rode better...I believe because of the 800 lb difference in the aluminum frame.
I'm 6'-3" and we've had trucks as long as I can remember (65yrs old). This newer generation started 'rising' it seems around 2001-2003. I had a '94 GMC that was slightly taller than my '83 that was a bit annoying but not outrageiously so. Our current '17 F150 KR is just ridiculous for an everyday driver. It was the same on our 2009 although it was a tad lower, I don't even look at the new ones. If not for the built-in tail gate step, it would be very difficult for me to get up in the bed as I'm aging. My wife wouldn't even try. The rational, from what I've read, is driven by government EPA rules. The truck builders get some sort of benefit/mpg 'factor' vs the CAFE standards based on vehicle size. Yea, there is likely some cool/competitive aspect between the big three, but it seems the EPA regs may be the biggest driver on this upward evolution. Typical government, creates a rule that unintentionally incentivizes building bigger vehicles that the general marketplace isn't really asking for.
I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck. Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck. If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway. I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can . Driving a Computer sucks in My Book... Mike M Central Wis.
Tottally agree with the height thing Tim. I have a 2017 f150 and actually use it for work every day. Constantly climbing in the back of the truck to grab stuff out of the tool box and it's only a half ton. I think the height is definitely a status thing looks tougher ? Thanks for your videos!
Same with us on our 2021 F150, 4 by 4 with a Max tow package. Really high and a lot higher than older heavy duty trucks. The 360 camera is super handy on yge trucks.
I have a F-250 for a work truck . I carry a 4ft step ladder in the back. It grows old when your trying to get in during the winter months . It is a good truck though, just too tall.
@@michaelbayliss1794 I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck. Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck. If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway. I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can . Driving a Computer sucks in My Book... Mike M Central Wis.
Hey Tim: well nice truck. I’ve got a F350 dually. I pull the gooseneck trailer and out 42ft fifth wheel camper. I can’t span the dually fenders for my chains so I need to drop the tailgate. Personally I think they are outrageously over priced. My late father always said that the more gadgets you have, the more there is to break. Oh so true.
I discussed price paid. I believe the bubble worked to my advantage….on the trade in side. Furthermore, I got Dec 21 pricing even though the sticker showed Oct 22 pricing. Prices rose $5000 during the year…and I avoided those price hikes.
@@TractorTimewithTimhave you looked into Liquid Springs for your suspension upgrade? They do most suspensions on heavy vehicles such as Ambulances. I tried looking to see if they offered something for the 7.3 but couldnt find something right off. Maybe you could offer to do a video with them because I’d be interested in that!
Same boat. Ordered the F350 KR 2022 w/6.7 in December 2021.. Got it in October... Purchased from Chapman in PA and got the 4 percent under invoice; not bad considering other options at the time. I have a lot of the same gripes or at least understand. To be honest, I will probably rarely tow anything... I got the diesel (bucket list) as this will probably be my last dinosaur burner as I will likely keep this 15-20 years... as long as it lasts as long as my 2004 Ram 1500 did, I'll be happy. I see you got the fender badges. Mine were missing and I'm fighting with dealers trying to get them as they are now available.
I love watching auto vehicle reviews on RUclips, but truck videos never fail to pIss me off immediately for how manufacturers rip off consumers with outrageously overpriced junk that's years out of date. You're right, it's not really an elective purchase in many cases and manufacturers know this.
I probably would have kept the powerstroke. Its a huge truck doing big jobs. If we are already going to spend that much money, might as well get the diesel.
I agree with you on the high suspensions. Add to that gimmicky things like flared fenders, fake bolts in the body features, etc. All junk to make it look tough. I had a 1991 F250. Height of truck was way better and it had none of the macho crap. And you know what? The bed held 2900lbs, just like F250s today. Back then F150 F250 and F350 all looked very similar. Today the 250 and 350 are way larger but do not carry more than my 91. Towing is better... Fortunately today they haven't started adding gimmicks to power tools. If Milwaukee ever starts making their drills macho-ized...lord help us. If HD pickups were lower, used same efficient body style as F150, no 20 inch wheels, they would ride better, corner better, and get better mpg. 20 inch wheels also have a lot less cushion for rough roads.
How are the fenders flared on a newer F250 Super Duty compared to 1986 - 1991 Ford F250 or 1992 - 1997 Ford F250? What is a "fake bolt"? The plastic item that most mechanics call a "christmas tree"? Since 2017, the Super Duty has virtually the same body as the F150. The cab is identical. The doors are interchangeable. The exterior sheet metal on the doors, front fenders, hood and pickup box is different along with different sizing of the pickup boxes.
@Two45s The super dutys diverted from the F150 in a major way years ago. They got way larger but payload in the bed stayed the same. You can't possibly think that's not marketing. ? Fake bolts - Just look around at all the flared fender and plastic body styling features on trucks. They have fake bolts molded into the plastics. That is marketing. Same as the grills on super duties. They got way larger vs the half ton years ago. No functionality there btw. Marketing to guys. That's all it is. I could go on and on but don't have time for this anymore.
@@WisconsinDIYGuy Yes, I agree with you in part. Ford realized the value in making the Class 1 (F150) quite different in style than the Class 2 (F250) and Class 3 (F350). Tha alone is a function of marketing. Ford introduced a new style F150 in 1997, the same year for the new Expedition...both used many of the same parts. However, I disagree with you in other ways. It is not all marketing as you stated. The first model year for the Super Duty was 1999. Payload capacity has improved since the introduction. The F250 and F350 Super Duty trucks have more payload capability than the previous Ford F250 and F350 Heavy Duty trucks. Ford Super Duty rear spring architecture, design and engineering has improved along with larger rotors, calipers and pads compared to the older Ford Heavy Duty. Finally, it is not the marketing department at Ford that is responsible for using lower cost parts.....it is the accounting department. In addition, larger grilles do have a function and purpose.....the 6.7L high HP and high torque diesel engine requires more air than the older diesel engines.
I have a 22 7.3 crew cab long box lariat single rear wheel F350 with snow plow and 5th wheel prep, carpet delete and 3.73 gears. I get mid 15 mpg hand calculated empty driving conservatively. Towing an 8000 lb travel trailer averages about 10.5. Do you have 4.10 gears in yours? I absolutely love my truck! It tows better than my old 2002 7.3 diesel, sounds awesome when it is pulling hard and is the most comfortable vehicle I have owned in my 57 years. Big difference for me is I drive my vehicles till they are worn out and when you get a new one with 20 years of improvements it sure feels fine. Interestingly, it is mostly the guys buying the high end high dollar rigs that do the most complaining about ride, shift harshness, height, etc. Those who work these trucks for a living tend to love them. The 7.3 engine is flat out awesome and is designed to last and produce tons of torque at normal operating revs. Compare the torque curves of the big three HD gas engines and you will see that Ford 7.3 is the leader in max torque and quite literally blows the doors off the other two (especially Ram) in 1500 rpm torque. And torque is all that matters for a working HD truck.
I think you're going to have a positive overall experience with this truck despite some of its downfalls. Good luck. What's the rear axle ratio? That would affect tow ratings some.
There are variances in the readings at the pump. That's why sites like TFL use the same pump at the same station when they are doing comparisons. It eliminates that variance, and in most cases when they do that they are withing 1-2 tenths of MPG when they do their tests. So start understanding that before you start calling out the failure of the onboard guages.
Practicality is out the door for the customer the high level trim packages are designed to reach. Those guys want them for their appearance and look really good pulling a 5x8 Tarter trailer through the subdivision.
Beautiful truck! I’m my opinion, I like the higher riding trucks because of being able to see over most cars, therefore being able to see hazards earlier as you drive down the road. Most of the annoyances of the higher truck can be addressed with products like you are going to put on (I think those steps will look better than the ugly “GM like” box steps that the ‘23’s Fords will have)!
Yeah no kidding its like you dont even see people in smaller cars right? Maybe that is why i always got a grill of one of these big dumb garbage trucks inches away from my rear bumper.
Speaking of tailgates have Added a manual emergency lever to open if the button stops working. I just had my second failure. You have to remove a panel to find the lever
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Here's something crazy, our 13acres and trailer was $10,000 less than your truck. 😯
I did the same. Still drive my old paid for truck and instead bought land. Lots of land :)
16.5 acres with house, brand new tractor for less than price of that truck.
@@Retarded229 what state?
@@Nightshade_6.7 Kentucky
Lol
Tim the main reason these trucks are so tall now is because they have raised the body up higher, so the floors are almost flat. The older generations trucks had a huge transmission tunnel for the trans and the drive shaft aka the hump as we use to call it.
Yeah I have a 2001 Ram 2500 (second gen) , it has 3500 rear suspension, and 2” coil spacers on the front to level the truck out with the beefier rear end, and 35” tires, my roof line is at the same height as all new modern 1500’s but I have nearly a foot more ground clearance.
All new cabs are more upright, and taller for more headroom, making the truck seem a lot taller then it actually is, yet the frame is so much lower.
Is a trans hump any more of an obstacle then a full size console?
@gordon borsboom I would say yes because you have a choice on the console. The console is functional for the occupation of the cab. The trans tunnel is just an obstacle that the occupants have to deal with. In crew cabs the tunnel affects the rear seats also.
Absolutely love my flat rear floor. If that makes the truck higher, that's a good tradeoff to me. I have a dog crate on my rear floor.
@@gordonborsboom7460 Consoles are leveled and don't extend to the rear passenger compartment.
The 20" wheels and tires do not make the truck taller. The OD of the 17", 18" and 20" tires are all the same from the factory. The 20" rim is taller but the sidewall is lower, which results in a more stiff ride, but better control on the highway, with less load capacity (the air in the tire is what actually carries the load), and a much higher replacement cost later.
It would all depend on what tires were installed at the factory . Between the 18 and 20 inch tires from the factory options with 20 in installed the truck could sit 2 to 3 inches taller.
@@randalls5210 No true. going from 18 to 20 is only a 1 inch radius change. More importantly, it is the tire OD that matters. When I bought mine, the factory tires on the 17", 18" and 20" rims all had the same OD.
Not true the 20s are about a 34” tire and the 18s are 33”. 275/70r18 vs 275/65r20
@@carperdiem8754 There is a very minor OD difference between the 18" and 20" combo. Most people are unaware that there is more variation in OD depending upon the brand of tire and the specific tire chosen. In a given size (275/70r18) one brand may be 33" OD and another brand 34" OD of the same size tire but different tread tire.
@@briangc1972 does ford use different brands on the two sizes? Coopers run a bit big at 33.4, but most are at 33.2. On the 20s the smallest AT tires run around 34.1. So still a small difference.
One of my favorite features on Ford vehicles is that keypad on the driver door. I highly recommend learning the door code such a great feature, imo.
How is the keypad any easier or better than using the key?
The key pad is a feature that I never thought I needed, until I had it. I use it most often when camping. Truck is locked, keys are in the trailer, type my code in, and just like magic the doors are unlocked. It’s not earth shattering, it’s just convenient.
Sometimes won't have the key with me but I need to get in the truck, key pad. It's handy. You'll never be locked out of your vehicle again.
I like that feature too. However, no way to get into the truck without a lock smith if the battery (or batteries) are dead. Good reason to install R2X - Remote Battery Post Terminals.
@@15Jeep I thought Ford has it too but my RAM has 2 battery sensors that monitor and if they get low it goes into battery saver mode so the power locks will still work.
A lot of fleets have dropped diesel powered units due to costs, additional maintenance and emission equipment. It’s a shame too.
With emissions equipment, its a ticking time bomb.
This is why I prefer my old 1995 F 250. Full length running boards. 7.3 diesel. Low bed rail height. Simple technology. Old reliable. Plus it’s hard to break things when you only make 200 hp.
Twin tanks... my dad's work truck was a 97 F350 7.3 5spd Std cab short wheelbase dually.. Had a steel flat bed on it and towed a 32ft goose neck trailer with a 1982 4400 JD and a Detriot diesel powered Herbicide spreader with chemical+100gal of water. pulled like a Freight train, still on the road now with well over 275,000 miles
@@NXT_LVL 275k on a 7.3? That's not even broke in good yet.
I had the 1994 250 XLT 😊 till 2018.Chevy2500 with 8ft. leaf springs suck ass. I just bought a Ram with coil springs. WOW rides so great it crazy. Im about what works... not a brand.
@@crewdawg2008 actually it is because it will need a new radiator and it will need bulletproof a new head studs around 300,000 miles and the cost of all that will be about $6000
@@l8tapex yeah ram has been building better riding trucks since 94. I bought the first year of the new model ram and I had so much more horsepower on a better ride than my brand new Ford. I traded my Ford back in at the dealership and went and bought a ram and put 400,000 miles on that gas engine.
Good info about your decision. We switched from the F350 Super Duty Diesel to the 7.3 gasser this year too. We have few regrets. I like how quiet the truck is. I like how you can hear that exhaust note rumble when you are pulling heavy. Ours is the XLT and we really miss the leather seats and the center console. We actually did a couple videos on our channel of why we made the change and what options were “must have” for us. We tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel with ours.
Hey Tim, CDL A operator here. A lot of states the go off of weight rating of each vehicle, regardless of whether you're loaded or unloaded.
All states. It's federal law.
The rim size has nothing to do with the height. The 20” wheel as a smaller side wall than the 18”. The diameter is the same on both. The 2023 coming out fixes almost every option you are having issue with.
Yeah the wheel size has nothing to do with it, the tire sidewall adjusts per rim size to make the same diameter for each trim level.
They aren’t going to reprogram the trans for every specific wheel/tire package diameter from the factory. Every diameter is the same.
Everyone keeps saying that..but this one is about 4” higher than my 2018 which was equipped same way with smaller wheels.
Others even say that they lowered the 2020 models.
Wish I had taken photo of my 2018 right beside this one to prove the 4”.
FYI you can recalibrate your gas mileage meter. It’s in the engineering menu. You can adjust it up or down by whatever percentage it actually is
you cant know what it is until you measure the odometer accuracy.
Can you do that on a Dodge?
NOPE @@horsetrader1991
That color is really slick. Jumping from the diesel to the 7.3 or any gas engine is a smart move. I know your fuel mileage is not amazing right now but the truck only has 500 miles. It still needs to break in. I am really not a huge fan of diesel trucks anymore. They are expensive to buy, expensive drive, and expensive to maintain. With Diesel being about $1.50 more a gallon where I am, it would take probably at least 200k miles of driving to offset the cost. Something you forgot to mention is you no longer have to ay for DEF and any expensive repairs related to the DPF(Not that you had a issue, yet). I can not believe Kelderman would not do the kit on a gas truck because of the exhaust. That is ridiculous since the exhaust system on a gas truck is smaller and less complex. If it really is only the exhaust, you could order the kit and have a exhaust shop do custom routing for you on the exhaust. Just a thought.
EXACTLY, "rooling coal" takes 200,000 miles to pay for itself.
Yip 7mpg towing. Smart move...
@@jeffro582 for guys like me who tow maybe 1-2 times a year. Yes. It is a smart move.
@@vitaliyburlaka691 how much weight do you tow? 5th wheel?
@@jeffro582 travel trailer and dump trailer. Maybe 13k fully loaded
Be interested to see what you (and Christy) think of the power running boards after using them for a few months. My initial reaction was like yours, but now I love them. They are the first running boards I have had that actually make it easier to get in and out of the truck because they lower to the correct height to step rather than leap! IMO, fixed running boards are too high to actually be useful. Great video - I agree that the truck market is ripe for disruption - the big three have gotten "comfortable" and they are all having huge reliability issues!
I would like to add that the power running board sits farther from the truck allowing you to use them to exit the vehicle. I find with the fixed running board on could only get the back of my foot at best on the running board and it usually slid off. I also think the power running board provides more protection for the truck as it is tucked under and up against the body where the fixed running board is mostly outside the truck area.
I don't see heavy duty Rams having reliability issues..
You're absolutely right about height. I did a major project that involved daily hauling of many small but heavy parts for 6 months. I have a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 and a 1989 GMC 2500. The Dodge is nowhere near as tall as your truck, but I ended up using the 89 GMC for almost all of the project because it was so miuch easier to load and unload. This is despite the fact the air conditioner didn't work in the summer! The newer trucks are not actually built to carry loads that are loaded or unloaded by hand, because there's no practical way to get items in or out. As you said, I think it's just a cool factor. We need trucks that actually work! If you're not happy now, wait until you're stuck with a government mandated electric truck that won't even pull a trailer for a hundred miles. That's a subject for another day and another video.
amen brother!!
You said the 2023 Super Duty has all the same problems, but the 2023 actually now comes with bedside and rear bumper steps built in. There is also the option to order flip out steps for additional ease of access to the bed. That is a huge improvement for the issue you have with the truck height and the bed access.
just copy paste from GM
The flip and fold steps are way better than the built-in steps. Much easier to balance and place in or remove items from the pickup box.
Interesting review. I am glad you mentioned more than once how grateful you are to be able to afford such a vehicle. We all take so much for granted. Yes, Detroit has gotten into a race of who can build the bigger more outrageous truck the last decade. I too think the new trucks are very cool, but good grief are they huge/tall.
The truck prices are ridiculous especially for all the trouble they have with them. As far as affording it you have certainly worked hard for it and deserve it.
And in the case of Ford. Ugly, very ugly.ugly and tall.
Tall as it is at both ends, your truck still has some rake (the back end is taller than the front, probably 2-3”). You should be able to replace some of the blocks between your rear leaf springs and axle with smaller ones or you might be able to replace the shackles with ones that would lower your rear ride height down to level with the front without affecting your load capacity. If you’re going to be loaded heavy, you may want to add air bags to avoid your rear end squatting lower than the front. A lot of folks that pull rv’s or big horse trailers do this for clearance under their fifth wheels or goosenecks.
Sadly, you're one of the few that truly uses the truck as "intended". The mass majority of truck owners these days are just driving it because they're HUGE and a status symbol more or less. Or just pull a camper and once a year with it and drive it daily anyways. It seems the newer trucks cater to this group more than the ones who needs to use them as a true truck. Like no bed access except a step that can't be used with a trailer, etc.
Yeah my cousin bought a chevy 2500 gas truck and he was mislead completely. Not only does it not pull very well but the fuel mileage is extremely bad. It gets 12 mpg at best. I have a 2020 duramax and it pulls anything and gets 15 mpg. 25 when not pulling.
@@bjenkins803 I'm still in a 2001 Cummins and its the same thing. Zero "luxury" but will pull a tank up a mountain and gets roughly 20mpg doing it. Lol
@@greenwoodsbushhogging6704 Yeah those are good trucks. My cousins gas truck is a 2021 and they told him it will pull whatever and they improved the mileage. They just wanted to sell him a gas truck because they had so many. Everyone wants a diesel and they didn't have any then. They threw window tint if he bought it lol.
Greenwood sounds like sounds like someone gets upset an jealous a-lot that people get nice things.
Not being able to reach in a truck and being super sensitive to loud noises makes it used as “intended”?
The complaints made a video, but all I hear is 1st world complaints.
What about tall people? Are the manufacturers supposed get your height before ordering. Maybe you should “lower” it since you personally don’t like the height. Some people are tall that’s why they’d move to a larger truck so they’re not cramped. Also the wheels don’t Raise the truck Tim the outer diameter of the tire size changes it.
The Japanese cars/trucks you spoke of also have 10yr outdated technology maybe stick to the ridge line or get an older truck you could definitely get a nice low mileage rig for as much money that is wasted trading new trucks in complaining over a whole lot of nothing just for a video. Or stick to something smaller your more comfortable in. Doesn’t sound like the trucks problem.
The ones who can't lift trucks are ones who usually buy f250s
My uncle had a platinum F150. The automatic side steps are a nightmare for him.
After heavy salt or even a little mad around the farm they would get stuck out or get stuck in or just not come out at all. After about five years the motor and the side steps were completely gone it was a very expensive fix.
Automatic side steps are great when they are new but when they wear down they lock up.
I agree, mud and or snow build up can cause the power running boards to not function. That is reason why I set mine on the 2022 F350 7.3L 4WD Tremor to not deploy when the roads are snow packed or during mud season out west. In addition, I have a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Hard Rock and an older F-150 4WD. Very little salt is used on paved roads in the Rocky Mountain states. I know people who have 10 - 12 year old trucks and have never replaced the motors.
My biggest complaint with the ride height on these new trucks comes into play when pulling goosenecks. I'm 6' 3" so reaching stuff isn't much of an issue for me but trying to get the trailer to ride level can be nearly impossible, especially on the older trailers. Then by the time you've got the coupler retracted far enough to level things out the clearance between the neck and the bed rails is down to nothing so you can only turn on a perfectly flat surface. Totally impractical if you're actually using the truck the way a truck should be used.
Yep!
That’s the exact reason I’m staying with my 2016 f350. My horse trailer would only have one wheel on the ground behind the newer truck or have an inch of clearance.
2wd will fix your complaints. Don’t buy a 4wd. 🤦♂️
@@curbAL1 My 2wd is only 2" lower than a same year 4x4. Not really much help.
My uncle bought a new 350 last year but his was a ,well I forget the correct term but with no bed on it. He had a custom aluminum bed with tool boxes an auxillary fuel tank built in. Well it sits way lower than my 2016. And yes both are 4x4 so there is an option for a new one that sits lower
Enjoy your videos. One of the reasons for the higher trucks is the extended cab. People wanted a flat floor in the back seat. Look at older models that are lower and you will see a big driveshaft tunnel running through the cab.
we all ways have the best luck with the big ram 3500 and 5500
Great video, and I agree with everything on the new trucks. It makes it harder to buy new ones when older or flat bed trucks are more friendly to work out of. Thanks for the honest review.
I have no complaints with my 2022 F350 7.3. I love it. It’s a beast. I have the same lime green trailer lol. I tow about 15,500 with mine no problems. I love the rumble coming out of the back. I have a MBRP on mine.
My Dad just bought the 2023 , yes Platinum, he towed 12K lbs across states more than 8K miles, 360 camera got hit by a rock, he stopped at a dealership in N carolina, Dealer got a new camera free of charge , oil change and the works , yes free of charge, Man Loves his truck, He loves all the technology that came with the truck. Ford did hit the truck out of the ball park EXCEPT $82K
Great review Tim. In my 40 years of driving (90% pickup trucks) with 30+ brand new vehicles because of high mileage driving, I have owned Chevy and Fords. Two years ago I took the plunge on a Ram 1500 Limited 4x4. I will never go back to Chevy or Ford. The ride quality and creature comforts are amazing on the Ram. Other than changing oil and tires I have spent $0.00 on any type of repairs. Good luck with your beautiful new truck!
Give us a review of the Dodge as you get close to 100k miles. I’ve heard nothing but bad about Dodge (any vehicle).
@@TheTradosaurus the big 3 truck manufacturers have their issues. None of them are perfect. Ram is no worse than any of the other 2. Just different issues.
One very simple way to smooth out the ride on these 350/3500 series trucks is to lower the tire pressure when traveling unloaded. The ride is still stiff but it gets rid of a lot of the harshness.
I agree 100% on the truck height. I remember the old Ford camper specials.
Hi, I own a 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3, and my doors unlock with the fob in my pocket. Only have to put your hand near the handle. Also has push start. Comes with the Lariat Ultimate package... Sorry you had to wait so long to get yours. I ordered mine Oct 11, 2021, it arrived on Dec 16 2021. Only 8 weeks! I also have the same color, with camel interior and love it. Good luck!
I had the chance to tow with a Ram 3500 dually that had the factory air suspension, the added stability was amazing, it should be standard on all heavy duty trucks. Another note Semi's also have leaf springs in tandem with their air suspension.
You just summed up why I love my 2021 Limited 3500. Air suspension and 2-stage engine braking makes the towing a breeze! Sure, I'd love a more modern trans, but under towing, the Aisin shines!
Hang on the ZF is coming!
I replaced the 2035 lb per side leaf springs with 3300 lb per side leafs from husky spring and upgraded my factory shocks to bilstein 5100 shocks and my truck now rides better than a half ton. The husky springs have more leaves and have a more gradual arch. No lift in height from stock but amazing ride and load handling improvements.
Heavier capacity springs, and stiffer valved shocks somehow makes the ride like a 1/2 ton, huh… must have been all that snake oil the springs were soaked in😂
@@robmd3851 actually they have 8 leaves I believe and they are not as stiff. Many years ago I remember in 4 wheeler them writing if you ever change leaf packs get the ones with more leaves because they will ride better. I was shocked actually. Figured it was going to ride awful. But my factory leaves had flattened out and it was beating me to death already so I tried it. I knew I needed more capacity because the flat bed I added was heavier. Turned out great. But it might have been the Pb blaster during install. 😂
We purchased a 2014 Ram 3500 about 6 years ago. It had a 6.7l Cummins engine with a 6 speed manual transmission. Honestly it didn’t have the raw grunt low end power that my 2003 2500 has. The fuel economy of the 3500 was just so, so, and the engine detuned for the clutch/flywheel combination. It was almost criminal what the EPA and Ram did to that engine. I got so tired of the hassles with the 2014. I have since decided to rebuild my 2003 from the frame up. So at least I know what I have, and save about 70,000 in the process. Nice truck you have. Everything I have read about the 7.3l gas engine has been positive. It should give you many years of service.
Tim I bought a step for my truck that hung over the back of the tire with a step in front of the tire. It was a great way to reach into the bed of the truck. The only issue with this step is forgetting it’s there and driving away and crushing it.
Good video bringing up some valid points. I bet the air ride suspension would work with a minor tweak to the exhaust. IMO, it would be worth it. I found that dropping the pressure in the tires and upgrading to Fox 2.0 reservoir shocks helps tremendously with ride quality. Good luck with the new ride. It would be great to hear your thoughts from time to time on it.
Bought my 2017 used with fox shocks. Not sure when the previous owner put them on because I bought it with 43k, but just replaced them at 62k. Ride never felt good from the time I bought it. One of the fox shocks had absolutely zero gas/liquid left. I could have rebuilt them but for the price of that I went out and bought billstein 5100s. Hopefully I get more than 20ish thousand out of these compared to the terrible foxes.
I have a 2019 ford f250 lariat and I can touch my door handle and it unlocks without having to take the key fob out
The power steps are an advantage for older people and for me with large feet. I had a 2010 Ford 2wd Expedition with factory steps and my 74 year old mother had issues getting in and out. I replaced it with a 2010 Limited model with power steps and she could now easily get in and out. The steps come down 2 inches further than the factory steps, stick out from the vehicle further by at least an inch, and were at least 1" wider than the factory steps. If you keep your speed under 15-20mph (depends on tire) gravel is not thrown up from the road/driveway. Gravel roads are not meant to be driven at fast speeds. I have a 2017 Ford Expedition and a 2015 F350 diesel and I have found the factory fuel MPG estimate within 0.3 and 0.7 for both vehicles every time I check it with an actual calculation. The camera going foggy is not an electric failure, it's a plastic quality issue with the antiglare coating on the camera that has failed under UV light, cheap material. Any vehicle over 10,000lbs is considered commercial under federal law, but does not require a CDL unless it's weight/Combined weight is over 26,000lbs or has over 15 passengers. All states adhere to these laws, but some states may require additional requirements for it's citizens. Like I'm supposed to have a NC Class A License (non CDL) because my trailer has a GVWR over 10,000lbs. Mr. Hoover could probably explain better.
I have a 2022 F250 Lariat Tremor. The amp research steps work great. I have all 3. I don’t have to pull out my key fob to unlock my truck or turn it on.
Tim I went back to gas 2 years ago with my 3500 Gmc. Very happy with it. No it don’t pull as hard as Diesel but I’m not in a big hurry. Between cost of Diesel option being 10k, cost of fuel and maintenance couldn’t justify diesel. Don’t drive it everyday ,it just pulls. Figure my Mpg by hand and not seeing a big difference between gas and diesel. Pulling 13k (weight empty)5th wheel I’m getting 9mpg which I’m happy with. Height of truck I’m happy with as I need clearance as I do go off-road with a cabin in the middle of no where up north, and GMC have steps front and back so hooking gooseneck and 5th wheel is fine. Nice looking truck.
My 2018 lariat 250 does have keyless entry and push button start, I think it's part of the Lariat ultimate package so you don't have to go to a platinum just for that. in 2018 the only option the platinum had that was actually better IMO than the Lariat was the massage seat.
You’re 100% correct, you have to get the lariat ultimate package to get the keyless entry. It’s the best. I also wish I had massage seats lol 😩
The 3500 Rams leaf spring in the air ride suspension is mainly for locating the axle. Having ridden in one with air, there is a NOTICEABLE difference in ride quality.
As far as truck height, remember that axles and frames and such are bigger. If you section the frame if your dad's truck and your truck, one is probably 3-4" taller. Plus you got 4wd... 2wd are shorter.
Thanks for showing the new truck. I believe you are spot on when you stated manufactures are trying to built them big, tall and "mean" looking even when it detracts from being useful. Seems crazy not to have options for adjusting height and different suspension packages. My old 2004 Chevy Duramax has crank windows, a huge 8 ft bed and can tow anything I put behind it. Plus no DEF needed !!! But I do like your new truck and I am sure it will serve you well.
A duramax won't tow anything you put behind it. It'll either blow or the trans will fall out.
@@MrCstone1 I have been fortunate thus far and it has served me well. I don't push it too hard anymore. 😜
I guess I got a rare dmax then. 2015 with 250k miles, heavy towing with a lift and has been bulletproof so far. The only thing I've had to replace was the thermostat.
@@stevenlharris have to agree my 2004 has served me well with few issues and a pretty hard life in the early yrs. I don't push her too hard now but does all a need..and no DEF needed!!!
I always put my foot up on the back tire and pull myself up and over the bed side of my lifted 99 F350, but I guess I'm still a young feller that doesn't need running boards and bed side steps. Always interesting to hear what you have to say Tim! Real beauty of a truck that you have there.
The 7.3 is notoriously known for being inefficient on fuel. That's the mileage I get with my Cummins loaded 20,000 pounds up and down mountains hot shotting.
They should offer a flat bed option for those that want a shorter truck. A flat bed option with removable sides and boxes for storage below the bed.
Tim we have a gas 2015 Silverado 6.0 4 door dually 4: 10 rear with 58,000 miles in 8 years. it gets 12 mpg religiously empty
with our 9500# TT it gets 6mpg and it HATES hills. very dissapointed in it !
It's hard to beat a good flatbed for hooking and unhooking the gooseneck!
Rodent damage? With 3 cats?? Congratulations on the new gasser! It looks slick!! You might like the led headlights.
Agree! Useless cats. I have had cat(s) around for 35 years and NEVER a rodent problem. His are not doing their job.
The rodent damage was outside. The cats are holed up inside most of the time.
All of the fancy tailgates that trucks come with now look good upfront but I really wonder how well they will hold up in the long-term. So many moving parts I'm afraid they will be a maintenance nightmare, same thing applies to the power running boards! I do certainly agree with you about the high sides being a major pain and I really don't see any advantage to them!
and so much $$$$$$$ for a part.. IF its not discontinued in a few years
Ford has so many recalls I wouldn't even think about buying another new one, we bought 2 brand new, will NEVER again
AMP research makes the power running boards for his truck. You can get a switch installed that will leave them down all the time if you want. never heard of any real problems with any of the AMP research boards. I suggest you get some front wheel well mud flaps, that's should help take care of your rock problem.
One of the reasons the trucks have raised up is because the government required those new front bumpers that hang down lower to supposedly prevent hitting somebody from behind and climbing up there car. More government regulations for a negligible problem.
@@ictpilot The government didn't Req the truck to be raised. Yes, they Req the bumpers to be a certain maximum height above the road but if the truck hadn't been raised they would have needed to extend the bumper downward! Ford is the one that decided to raise the truck so that they had to put the lower bumper extensions on!
Diesel noise: Don't underestimate the fatigue factor associated with noise, sonic and subsonic. It makes a lot of difference at the end of the day.
Love the videos, Tim. I’m sure someone beat me to it and I’ll only succeed in adding fodder to the GM/Ford debate, but my GMC half-ton’s 6.2 makes just a few hp/ft-lbs less than your 7.3 and routinely gets *measured* 19mpg unloaded and 12-13mpg loaded with 9klbs of bumper pull and Kubota L4060+implements. My electric fold-out running boards have a feature that slide them back to the rear tire to reach the bed. I use it quite often and have no complaints. Everyone has loyalties, but entertain options…
He would need a 3500 to tow his equipment. That would be the 6.6 gaser
Heavier truck and larger engine would reduce the comparison advantage.
GM put 6.5 liter non turbo Diesel engines in HD trucks way back in the 80’s, I think. Dog slow but economical. Mfg’s give us what they think we want coupled with what they can afford to do.
Hello again Tim. Thank you for your opinion. I’m probably the odd Duck out here. I used to keep my trucks 5-6 years, gave that up decades ago. My current rig was purchased new in 01. Yep, not a rust bucket beater either. Low mileage as well, because it’s a personal TRUCK. Not the grocery getter, or the look at me mobile. A tool that I maintain and have pride of ownership in. No Jones mobile, but I get tons of questions/comments on it. Never grossed over 16500 with it and trailer. Current trailering honest weight 14,700. Breadbox aerodynamics means 60mph if you expect 11.5 mpg or so loaded. Not something many will tolerate! At my age I have the time to not abuse the truck and maintain a speed that I can get there safely. 8th decade. A Boomer.
Tim, you are 100% correct, Lower is Better for towing. Also 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks do NOT "Give" enough in the suspension to be a real "off road' truck. 16 inch rims is plenty tall enough, and gives you MORE side wall. Tires are PART of the suspension. .
16" wheels do not give adequate clearance inside for the larger brakes that these trucks require.
Trailer has its own brakes
Correct......OEM suspension on Class 2 and Class 3 trucks is not ideal for off-road use. However, the aftermarket has the solutions. For a superior ride.....Check Out the following websites --------> Carli Suspension and their number 1 retailer CJC Off-Road. The springs and shocks are superior to OEM. Larger tires are not necessary or required. The Level System only raises the front end to level the truck and optional Firestone Air Bags will retain OEM payload and towing specs. The suspensions are awesome. Check Out the RUclips video ---------------------------> ruclips.net/video/73BQDBKD3kI/видео.html
Amen. Greatly appreciate your truth and integrity, agree with you on every comment, I hope Ford, GM, Ram truck manufacturers take your comments and implement them. Thank you
Great video Tim. Congrats on the new truck.
I have seen that in the Ford fleet Specs guides that I use where I can on certain models alter the weight ratings like you mentioned.
I found that really Interesting, when you showed what happened to your cameras, I immediately thought that looked like what I would think looking through the back side of a cloudy headlight cover that had been sun etched would look like.
Makes perfect sense that sun will eat away at the clear plastics on the headlight housings, that it would do the same thing on the clear plastic camera lenses housings.
All be it for different reasons, I too buy the big Ford Godzilla gas motors in my business HD trucks. For me I buy diesel trucks for myself to use, but because I have seen in the past that many of my employee's that drive the trucks have no clue to diesel truck operations, much less all the emissions equipment. Almost guaranteed if I ordered those F450s we use with Diesels they would end up on hook because one of my people is bound to put either DEF in the diesel tank or Diesel in the DEF tank at some point. LOL
The reason I still prefer diesel for myself is nothing really to do with fuel prices one way or the other. For the past few decades Diesel HD trucks have really held their value far and above about any other vehicles on the road. I recently replaced my 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel with a 2023 GMC 2500 HD diesel, and I got about 8K more out of my RAM then I paid for it 8 years ago. Even prior to Covid I would book check the value on that truck typically once a year just to see where I was at.
That truck never booked more then 4K less then I paid for it.
Due to Covid supply chain problems my old RAM brought a lot more than I ever dreamed it would.
Generally, there is a substantial premium in used segment for the diesel option.
Which when compared to gas residual values, the diesel always wins by pretty wide margin, typically enough to cover any added cost. With these new more powerful gas trucks of recent years I am going to be very curious to see how that and the high diesel prices effects the HD truck market over the next few years.
Thanks for a honest review. For comparison I drive a 2000 Ford 250 7.3 diesel with a zf6 manual transmission.
19.7 mpg highway lightly loaded, 13 .5 pulling maximum trailer load.
This was a great review! Appreciate the input as we’re looking for a 20+ superduty and unsure if we’re going with gas or diesel
I tried to purchase a Ford F350 or Chevy 3500 in 2020. I checked every dealer within 500 miles. The only trucks available were loaded models, with a hefty surcharge. On the last day of the year I bought a F150 XLT, for $9,500 under sticker, so 30-40k less than the F350s available at the time. It has the 3.5 Eco boost. So far I am totally satisfied. It's very comfortable, great mileage, and easily tows 10,000 lb. I'd like an EcoBoost in the 4.5 - 5 liter range for the superduties.
The 7.3l gasser is a dang good motor lots of people choosing it over the diesel
My 2022 Super Duty Lariat has the keyless entry. I can use either the door handle sensors or the keypad. This was the same on my 2019 F150 Lariat. For the height issue, I purchased the step that hangs over the tire. It works well for me to access my 5th wheel hitch. There's no doubt the ride is a bit rough, but I consider it a trade off for the payload/towing capacity.
My 2020 Lariat also has the keyless with the touch handles. I suspect it was an option issue with his previous truck.
Like the truck. In my 2022 with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears the fuel mileage improved as I put miles on it. By the time I got 5000 miles on it I was up to 16mpg (hand calculated) unloaded. When towing (10K) I would be around 9mpg. So you should see some improvements as you put miles on it.
You are not getting 16 mpg with a big block heavy duty truck
@@calebthacker2162 is a 6.4 (392c.i.) a small block or big block? 16-18mpg interstate driving. 2015 Ram 2500 CCLB.
@@calebthacker2162 you can think what you want, but that is what I got on the hwy with some city driving. The 10 speed transmission helps a lot.
Tim I bought a 2022 laterite f250 in January and got rid of it in August with less than 4,000 miles. At 200 miles I lost the steering pump after that it was on going computer issues. Neither ford or the local dealer were helpful. If it sounds like I’m bitter it is because I am. I hope you have better luck. I always enjoy the videos. Merry Christmas and a happy new year
Tim, I loved using my IPhone to start, unlock and just about everything else with the ford.
This was great Tim, it all resonates with me and my truck uses. I have the same observations even on a different brand. My biggest gripe is the price of new trucks -- while my truck does the job, at some point you can no longer talk about value because the trucks have gotten so expensive. But until consumers stop forking over the money, the manufacturers will keep charging high prices. These big trucks are extremely profitable and they know it.
All the dealers (all makes ) near me are all charging 10k over sticker! no way in hell would i pay that, i will keep running my current trucks. i would like to trade mt 2018 ram 3500 dually diesel for a new model but not for the crazy prices, no way!
Agree with you on those MPG gauges being adjusted up 10 or 15% - even in economy cars.
I really think the next big thing for these truck is air suspension so they can squat enough to be loaded. They are tall which is great for on road visibility and poor conditions, but loading is almost impossible.
Depends how tall you are I'm 6"4 the height makes it easier for me
Feeling a whole lot of your same pains in acquiring a new truck. Kind of like you, with trade prices, i ordered a new truck in aug of 2021. It is scheduled to be built April 10th - That's my reality, and still didn't get exactly what I wanted but close enough.
Trucks are high as hell for sure with a 3/4 or 1ton. fortunately, I have a different flavor and I do love the bumper steps and looking forward to the bed step in front. But man, trucks with a heavy suspension that can pull never rode so nice as they do today or so quiet. They're fancier than a Coupe DeVille from 30 years ago.
Best of luck with that beast - and ck the oil! I see some scary stuff about that engine but then, it's the internet and who knows what is real. Your mileage is, totally believe it.
Can you imagine the MPG improvement, and load stability of lowering these trucks by a foot?!
9:45 yeah my Grandfather said the same thing after he bought his 2005 F150 4x4. Couldnt reach over the bed side and grab anything from the bed floor and he was in his late 60s early 70s as a Citrus grower.. The ONLY Ford he ever regretted buying after his 93 F250 non-turbo Diesel gave in. That was a 4x4 on 1/2ton 17s not a 4x4 1ton on 19s or 20s My mom's current Ram 1500 4x4 is on 20s, and is roughly the same height by an inch to my Dad's 2005 Ram 3500 4x4 24v Cummins Dually... New trucks come preinstalled with lift blocks along with the flat floor (no trans hump) Not really what you want when you have back problems, getting older etc. Both my parents are in their upper 60s and couldnt drive stick and hold the clutch on a 8000-10000lb truck anymore because of their knees.
It's gotten way out of hand and there's no need for it to be that high with that much fender to wheel gap running 20s on a 275/60 30-32" tire factory
Great review. I would think a reroute of the exhaust would be a simple fix. The air setup should work wether it’s gas or diesel just might need to modify the exhaust. I’m surprised they aren’t supporting the 7.3 as I’ve seen quite a few guys lately switching from diesel to gas. Regardless, very nice truck congrats!
Me too. Agree on both.
Nobody wants 😕 to be around 🙄 someone that has gas
I will also add. I think the 20 inch rims with lower sidewall tires ride rougher. Then the 18 inch rims with the higher sidewall tires. More flex with more sidewall height.
Two responses
1) the retractable running boards are actually part of the aerodynamics the manufacturer is trying to get better gas mileage. Running boards don't act as side skirts like on a racecar, they add huge drag so by retracting them it cleans up the airflow a small bit.
2) I absolutely agree that trucks have gotten too tall and I miss the stepside old trucks used to have
it's a truck, they aren't designed for air flow lmao, you haul and tow*, they are designed to power thru loads, not to get 50mpg like a geo metro. notice the difference everything you can't do with a high mpg vehicle vs a muscular work horse, it's about ability. other wise throw a snow plow on a tesla. the real reason the running boards retract inward and upward like landing gear is to keep them from being broken when you are backing and going over curbs, or tree stumps, or burms and boulders and windrows in farm fields and pasture lands, hence the KING RANCH
@@aprilgeneric8027 yes, trucks are very UN-aerodynamic but all the truck manufacturers spent millions of CFD and wind tunnel testing to get them as good as they can to help their Federal fleet fuel economy standards. Ie, they cleaned them up as much as possible. You argument is only partially true. Yes, having them retract is a convenience for entry/exit and over high objects BUT the time a vehicle is being driven and their need for better numbers for fuel economy is a much greater reason to retract. There have been numerous articles about this in the section of the magazine industry covering automotive aerodynamics
This is one of the best reviews I've seen because you talk about stuff that matters. I just got a 2020 f250 with the 7.3 and I like it but jeez it has a lot of electronic tech stuff that I dont care about at all. I would be just as happy with analog gauges and no screen at all. Is this because I'm 45 now and they are building these things for younger people who grew up with screens everywhere? Oh well. Yes they dont need to be so high either. It's not that you couldn't go off road with the older ones. I went off road (job sites) with my 97 all the time and ground clearance was never an issue.
I own and operate a semi for a living now and honestly air bag suspension is simpler and more durable than leaf springs. It rides way better too. The good news is that all the kids that want their pick up to look more like a semi will probably drive the manufacturers to make this standard before too long and coincidentally it will be a useful upgrade for guys who actually pull trailers a lot.
I definitely agree with trucks being to tall. With all the aftermarket options surely there’s something to improve the comfort for you. But for $80.000 you shouldn’t have to go to aftermarket.
Overall the issues you have are good issues to have.
@18:38
Bingo!
Especially out in the hinterland but I see it here in suburban Chicago also: people buy pickup trucks now to replace their family sedan. In Illinois, any Town less than 5,000 people, they drive a pickup truck even though they don't work on a farm or they don't have a construction company to go to church and to go to the grocery store and to pick the kids up from school.
Tim, I agree that the trucks don’t need to be that high. Yes, there people who want them to be high off the ground. After market equipment is available for lift but there is no real option to lower and better ride. Great review!
They do actually have to be that high given the frame height.
Look under the truck, there is the bare minimum of up travel as it is. Lower them and the up travel goes away and you just end up smoking bump stops
There are plenty of aftermarket options to better the ride quality.
Ditch the bed and get a custom tray/canopy like we do in Australia. All the big manufactures here know that people are going to do it. They expect it.
First Time Viewer. You made some great points...Kelderman air suspension; air ride seats, etc. I have owned several Ford Super Duty diesel trucks and all trucks but the 2019 and 2022 had fixed running boards and the paint still got chipped. Look up Xpel and Suntek and have PPF (Paint Protection Film) installed on the lower rocker area between the front and rear wheel wells. Both companies have "self-healing" PPF. Another option is to have the rocker areas coated with Linex, Rhino, etc. type of product. I think Linex can be paint matched...or can be painted.
I have a 2022 Ford F350 Lariat 7.3L 4WD - UP - BAP - Tremor Package with Ford Performance / Warn 12,000 LB winch; UTTCS (Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System) and numerous other options. I live in a remote area and ordered the optional Power Running Boards....because I do not want a fixed running board on a 4WD truck that goes off-road. I also ordered Carpet Delete which replaces the carpet with Heavy Rubber Flooring with the optional Rubber Floor Mats...as it will be easier to keep clean than carpet. The truck has all but three options. I did not order Adaptive Steering (don't need that...2019 truck had it); Adaptive Cruise Control (2019 truck had it...don't need that, very little interstate driving); or the Power Moonroof as I do not want future likely or potential problems with tracking, leaks, etc. BTW, The Lariat with UP (Ultimate Package) has push button start. Lariat with VP (Value Package) has a key to start the truck.
The Upfitter Switches will come in handy for accessories. The Heated Steering Wheel is nice in the winter...but had to order the Rain Sensing Wipers to get it because Ford removed it from the UP which included the Heated Steering Wheel on the 2021 trucks. Guess not many people were buying the optional Rain Sensing Wipers. The 2019 Super Duty truck had the optional UTTCS available as a separate option for $720.00. People were not buying the PTBA (Pro Trailer Backup Assist).....so, Ford packaged the UTTCS with the PTBA for $1655.00. Ford figures out what options people want then they add the options that people don't often purchase...then raise the price. They want to recoup their R & D costs on options that do not sell well.
The rim and or tire diameter (18 inch or 20) inch does not determine the actual height of the tire. There are other factors involved. To say it another way, there are tires that mount on 18 inch diameter rims that are taller than tires that mount on 20 inch rims. The tires on the Super Duty trucks with the Tremor package are 35.1 inches tall....and well designed for mud and snow.....great tread void and tread blocks for mud with siping on the blocks for snow.
People who own trucks and live in the Rocky Mountain states do use their trucks off-road in both mud and snow.....sometimes encountering snow packed (frozen overnight) roads in the morning and snow melt off creating very muddy conditions in the afternoon. We call it "mud season" from mid March to late April. Most people appreciate the extra height / clearance; approach angle; breakover angle; and departure angle of the Ford and Dodge trucks compared to the lower stance on Chevrolet and GMC 4WD trucks which have low hanging frame rails and can get stuck on small rounded knolls ending up like a teeter totter...quite the sight to see. The GM 4WD trucks are a bad design and not well designed or engineered. 1. IFS axle that does not articulate near as well as a Solid Front axle. 2. Rectangular shaped wheel wells for a round rim and tire.
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I've found to the fuel economy on my two Fords to be accurate to +/- 0.5 mpg. I don't top off ever so my fill-up routine is somewhat consistent. I've actually had my Mustang get almost 1 mpg better calculated over what the computer said. Also, the mpgs should improve somewhat on the 7.3 around 5,000 to 7,000 miles.
Our ‘22 F-350 7.3 Lariat - Crew Cab, 8’ bed, SRW with 4.30 rear end - has about 22k miles on it now. We get about 10.5-11 around town, 14-15 on the highway, both hand-calculated across many trips (our dash reading is consistently about +0.5 mpg over the true number). When unloaded 65-73 mph seems to be the sweet spot for the best mileage, starting to decline even when cruising on flat ground over 73 mph. We’ve yet to pull anything very big with it, but with 3700lb in the bed the mileage didn’t change much. My little 4’ 10” wife has to pole vault her way into the bed more or less, but she’s still spry in her mid-30s so she enjoys it. If we were a decade or two older it could definitely be a bit of a problem.
Ihave to agree with you on your points. The packages cause you to have to spend more money to get 1 feature. I try to keep the rim size down! A big complaint I have had is that the manufactures abandoned the size trucks. the Ford Maverick proves that the small truck has it's place. Wished GM still made the S-10!
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I have 2021 f350 dually fx4 with 7.3 gasser and 4.30 gearing. I special ordered the truck, took forever to get it. No regrets so far. Have hauled a lot of stuff with gooseneck trailers. It’s not a diesel but it gets the job done with confidence. Thanks for your review, enjoyed it. Good luck with the truck!
The review here is stated extremely well. You’re very practical. Thank you for your thorough review. I appreciate my half ton truck but can’t see spending more for the tows that I pull. People who are clamoring for more flat screens in their vehicles are looking at expensive repairs down the road. Yet that’s what the manufacturers are hoping for, throwaway the old and just buy another brand new.
Yes, I really wish that they would build them lower, I am 6’2” and it is hard for me to do anything in the rear of the truck. Including getting in and out of the truck.
Tim, thanks for the walk through on the truck. I am actually looking to purchasing a new HD truck within the next 18 mos. I will say however, I DO LIKE the height in the trucks. I have a small farm and pull a Horse trailer, a car hauler trailer for my equipment and hay, etc. but really enjoy the height.
The camera problem is the same problem that happens to your headlights , the lens coverings for the camera and the headlights are made of plastic that fades and turns frosty ( cloudy white ) that cuts the headlight projecting capacity and prevents the camera from see through the plastic lens coverings. In my opinion when the headlight lenses becomes so faded that the lights are visibly dimmer into should be a safty hazard. All new cars and trucks in all brands seem to have this problem with the plastic lens fading problem .
However, my 2011 F150 Lariat's backup camera is still as clear as the day I got it. And it's seldom been garaged the entire time. Maybe there was a lens material switch by Ford somewhere since mine was produced?
Tim I think the first OEM to offer a practical lower to the ground work truck could sweep up all of us folks who use them. I need a new half ton but my 2004 ranger allows for ease of load inroads. If they made a new one in crew with 6.5 bed and 48 inches between wheel wells I would buy it.
Designers are in a rut.
The Chevrolet 4WD and GMC 4WD trucks with IFS axle and low hanging frame rails sit considerably lower to the ground compared to Ford 4WD and Dodge 4WD trucks. That is among many other reasons is why I would never buy a GM 4WD truck.
@@15Jeep Those who don't need the ground clearance, but do need 4x4 for traction, would be better served by GM's offerings.
The bed-step was option on 2016 F150...The only missing option was "heated Steering Wheel"...on King Ranch. As you say...there is no "Replacement for Displacement"....The Eco-boost turbos (
3.5 liter) would drop from 20mpg to 8mpg under load. But I bought I for "comfort" at 6' and 250lbs!...and RARELY pulled a trailer. I did load it with a 14cf freezer and Texas beef to Alabama and it rode better...I believe because of the 800 lb difference in the aluminum frame.
I'm 6'-3" and we've had trucks as long as I can remember (65yrs old). This newer generation started 'rising' it seems around 2001-2003. I had a '94 GMC that was slightly taller than my '83 that was a bit annoying but not outrageiously so. Our current '17 F150 KR is just ridiculous for an everyday driver. It was the same on our 2009 although it was a tad lower, I don't even look at the new ones. If not for the built-in tail gate step, it would be very difficult for me to get up in the bed as I'm aging. My wife wouldn't even try. The rational, from what I've read, is driven by government EPA rules. The truck builders get some sort of benefit/mpg 'factor' vs the CAFE standards based on vehicle size. Yea, there is likely some cool/competitive aspect between the big three, but it seems the EPA regs may be the biggest driver on this upward evolution.
Typical government, creates a rule that unintentionally incentivizes building bigger vehicles that the general marketplace isn't really asking for.
I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck.
Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck.
If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway.
I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can .
Driving a Computer sucks in My Book...
Mike M Central Wis.
You can put air lift airbags on the back of the truck with a pump and a Bluetooth connection to inflate or deflate for round $1600.
Tottally agree with the height thing Tim. I have a 2017 f150 and actually use it for work every day. Constantly climbing in the back of the truck to grab stuff out of the tool box and it's only a half ton. I think the height is definitely a status thing looks tougher ? Thanks for your videos!
Same with us on our 2021 F150, 4 by 4 with a Max tow package. Really high and a lot higher than older heavy duty trucks. The 360 camera is super handy on yge trucks.
I have a F-250 for a work truck . I carry a 4ft step ladder in the back. It grows old when your trying to get in during the winter months . It is a good truck though, just too tall.
@@michaelbayliss1794 I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck.
Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck.
If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway.
I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can .
Driving a Computer sucks in My Book...
Mike M Central Wis.
Why did you buy a truck at the highest bubble in history! Should have waited 4 to 6 months when prices crash!
Do you really have to ask that question? It should be obvious
Tax time helps!
Hey Tim: well nice truck. I’ve got a F350 dually. I pull the gooseneck trailer and out 42ft fifth wheel camper. I can’t span the dually fenders for my chains so I need to drop the tailgate. Personally I think they are outrageously over priced. My late father always said that the more gadgets you have, the more there is to break. Oh so true.
I discussed price paid. I believe the bubble worked to my advantage….on the trade in side. Furthermore, I got Dec 21 pricing even though the sticker showed Oct 22 pricing. Prices rose $5000 during the year…and I avoided those price hikes.
@@TractorTimewithTimhave you looked into Liquid Springs for your suspension upgrade? They do most suspensions on heavy vehicles such as Ambulances. I tried looking to see if they offered something for the 7.3 but couldnt find something right off. Maybe you could offer to do a video with them because I’d be interested in that!
Same boat. Ordered the F350 KR 2022 w/6.7 in December 2021.. Got it in October... Purchased from Chapman in PA and got the 4 percent under invoice; not bad considering other options at the time. I have a lot of the same gripes or at least understand. To be honest, I will probably rarely tow anything... I got the diesel (bucket list) as this will probably be my last dinosaur burner as I will likely keep this 15-20 years... as long as it lasts as long as my 2004 Ram 1500 did, I'll be happy. I see you got the fender badges. Mine were missing and I'm fighting with dealers trying to get them as they are now available.
I love watching auto vehicle reviews on RUclips, but truck videos never fail to pIss me off immediately for how manufacturers rip off consumers with outrageously overpriced junk that's years out of date. You're right, it's not really an elective purchase in many cases and manufacturers know this.
I probably would have kept the powerstroke. Its a huge truck doing big jobs. If we are already going to spend that much money, might as well get the diesel.
I agree with you on the high suspensions. Add to that gimmicky things like flared fenders, fake bolts in the body features, etc. All junk to make it look tough. I had a 1991 F250. Height of truck was way better and it had none of the macho crap. And you know what? The bed held 2900lbs, just like F250s today. Back then F150 F250 and F350 all looked very similar. Today the 250 and 350 are way larger but do not carry more than my 91. Towing is better... Fortunately today they haven't started adding gimmicks to power tools. If Milwaukee ever starts making their drills macho-ized...lord help us. If HD pickups were lower, used same efficient body style as F150, no 20 inch wheels, they would ride better, corner better, and get better mpg. 20 inch wheels also have a lot less cushion for rough roads.
How are the fenders flared on a newer F250 Super Duty compared to 1986 - 1991 Ford F250 or 1992 - 1997 Ford F250? What is a "fake bolt"? The plastic item that most mechanics call a "christmas tree"? Since 2017, the Super Duty has virtually the same body as the F150. The cab is identical. The doors are interchangeable. The exterior sheet metal on the doors, front fenders, hood and pickup box is different along with different sizing of the pickup boxes.
@Two45s The super dutys diverted from the F150 in a major way years ago. They got way larger but payload in the bed stayed the same. You can't possibly think that's not marketing. ? Fake bolts - Just look around at all the flared fender and plastic body styling features on trucks. They have fake bolts molded into the plastics. That is marketing. Same as the grills on super duties. They got way larger vs the half ton years ago. No functionality there btw. Marketing to guys. That's all it is. I could go on and on but don't have time for this anymore.
@@WisconsinDIYGuy Yes, I agree with you in part. Ford realized the value in making the Class 1 (F150) quite different in style than the Class 2 (F250) and Class 3 (F350). Tha alone is a function of marketing. Ford introduced a new style F150 in 1997, the same year for the new Expedition...both used many of the same parts.
However, I disagree with you in other ways. It is not all marketing as you stated. The first model year for the Super Duty was 1999. Payload capacity has improved since the introduction. The F250 and F350 Super Duty trucks have more payload capability than the previous Ford F250 and F350 Heavy Duty trucks. Ford Super Duty rear spring architecture, design and engineering has improved along with larger rotors, calipers and pads compared to the older Ford Heavy Duty.
Finally, it is not the marketing department at Ford that is responsible for using lower cost parts.....it is the accounting department. In addition, larger grilles do have a function and purpose.....the 6.7L high HP and high torque diesel engine requires more air than the older diesel engines.
I have a 22 7.3 crew cab long box lariat single rear wheel F350 with snow plow and 5th wheel prep, carpet delete and 3.73 gears. I get mid 15 mpg hand calculated empty driving conservatively. Towing an 8000 lb travel trailer averages about 10.5. Do you have 4.10 gears in yours? I absolutely love my truck! It tows better than my old 2002 7.3 diesel, sounds awesome when it is pulling hard and is the most comfortable vehicle I have owned in my 57 years. Big difference for me is I drive my vehicles till they are worn out and when you get a new one with 20 years of improvements it sure feels fine. Interestingly, it is mostly the guys buying the high end high dollar rigs that do the most complaining about ride, shift harshness, height, etc. Those who work these trucks for a living tend to love them. The 7.3 engine is flat out awesome and is designed to last and produce tons of torque at normal operating revs. Compare the torque curves of the big three HD gas engines and you will see that Ford 7.3 is the leader in max torque and quite literally blows the doors off the other two (especially Ram) in 1500 rpm torque. And torque is all that matters for a working HD truck.
I think you're going to have a positive overall experience with this truck despite some of its downfalls. Good luck. What's the rear axle ratio? That would affect tow ratings some.
i would bet 3: 73 ??
Yes.
There are variances in the readings at the pump. That's why sites like TFL use the same pump at the same station when they are doing comparisons. It eliminates that variance, and in most cases when they do that they are withing 1-2 tenths of MPG when they do their tests. So start understanding that before you start calling out the failure of the onboard guages.
Practicality is out the door for the customer the high level trim packages are designed to reach. Those guys want them for their appearance and look really good pulling a 5x8 Tarter trailer through the subdivision.
LOL, Mike.
If you cant afford it, dont buy it. Stick with your W/T and enjoy your rubber floor mats.
Thats why I love my 2011 f250 diesel. Looks great, hauls whatever, and can get to most things in the bed.
Beautiful truck! I’m my opinion, I like the higher riding trucks because of being able to see over most cars, therefore being able to see hazards earlier as you drive down the road. Most of the annoyances of the higher truck can be addressed with products like you are going to put on (I think those steps will look better than the ugly “GM like” box steps that the ‘23’s Fords will have)!
Meanwhile blocking the view of everyone behind you😂😂
@@laprepper 🤷♂️
What is your experience towing a goose neck trailer with your high riding truck?
Yeah no kidding its like you dont even see people in smaller cars right? Maybe that is why i always got a grill of one of these big dumb garbage trucks inches away from my rear bumper.
@@pikadroo no that’s probably because you are doing less than the flow of traffic 😂
Love my 2021 Ram 3500 Cummins! If you ever need a house pulled let me know! 😂
true story
Made in Mexico
@@ralphfarmer7621 The truck is assembled in Mexico. The Cummins engine is built in Indiana!
@@ralphfarmer7621 so what. Look around, its unavoidable and besides, atleast it's not built in China.
Speaking of tailgates have Added a manual emergency lever to open if the button stops working. I just had my second failure. You have to remove a panel to find the lever
Should have gotten a GMC or Chevorlet