Buddhist Science: Spiritual & Material Wisdom in the Service of Life, Robert A.F. Thurman
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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Many people think of Buddhism as a religion, but it is even more a science and a philosophy. In this talk and meditation, Robert Thurman elucidates how the Buddha discovered absolute relativity, 2500 years ahead of Einstein, through the rationally experimental and contemplatively experiential insight into voidness, or emptiness. The Buddha employed the truly scientific method of inquiry in the exploration of the reality of the self and the world. Turning to the nondual relative, he taught the evolutionary causality of karma as a well-evidenced, but not dogmatic, biological theory, long before Darwin and his successors. His causal evolutionary theory envisions compassion as the force that develops higher qualities in beings, intelligence, sensitivity, love, and contentment, and the bodily mutations that correspond to these qualities. Also in this session, Robert will bring the audience along with him experientially, by guiding a meditation on the process of realizing voidness or selflessness, rehearsing the entry to it through the opening of bliss awareness, and the transcending of its transcendence that leads to the embrace of the nondual relativity of love. Finally, he will critically examine the common pitfalls that seekers tend to fall into, such as the use of emptiness as a path of separateness rather than a path of union, and also the misguided nihilistic view of voidness as nothingness. He elucidates the concept of “bare awareness.” The only way to “get” reality is through a “bare,” i.e nonconceptual, awareness, which melts the boundaries between subject and object.
Robert A.F. Thurman is the Jey Tsong Khapa Professor of Indo-Tibetan Buddhist Studies in the Department of Religion at Columbia University, President of the Tibet House U.S., a non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation and promotion of Tibetan civilization, and President of the American Institute of Buddhist Studies, a non-profit affiliated with the Center for Buddhist Studies at Columbia University and dedicated to the publication of translations of important artistic and scientific treatises from the Tibetan Tengyur. Time chose Professor Thurman as one of its 25 most influential Americans in 1997, describing him as a “larger than life scholar-activist destined to convey the Dharma, the precious teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha, from Asia to America.” The New York Times recently said Thurman “is considered the leading American expert on Tibetan Buddhism.” Thurman is known as a talented popularizer of the Buddha’s teachings.
Just a great talk to stumble on after my evening meditation. Thank you for this!
Bob Thurman is brilliant here, as usual. Thank you Bob for directly addressing these issues that the paradigm-dependent cannot speak of out loud.
There are a few very welcome references and some humor that is relevant for the last few months in the US...if you are listening for it! :) Anyone can argue with some of his Buddhist centric vocabulary, which describes concepts, but his understanding precisely meets other ancient understandings on common ground.
From his website - "He (Thurman) reasons passionately that H. H. the Dalai Lama, a true man with no worldly rank, is the most practical leader of world leaders, with principles that must be heeded by them to avert the worst outcomes of our present global crisis: nonviolent dialogue in place of war, environmental restoration in place of consumerist exploitation, inter-religious mutual affirmation in place of ideological competition, hope and determination in place of cynicism and denial."
Great talk. So many insights and so much wisdom.
Outstanding!!!
So nice you talked about the Right view. I believe Understanding Right view "Samma Ditti" is the first point to start path (Noble eightfold path). No doubt about it. It is also important for ordinary people like us the friendship with noble friends (Kalyana Mithra). Thare is a part in the practice and realization, that wisdom needs to channel through the lineage (Some one who has attained those realizations - called Arya or noble person), otherwise very rarely said to be discovered by self, with extremely skillful and capable (Paramitha) people could do it either ...
I feel so much better about my nose now, thank you :)
that was a good one
Thank you
Just like I have been puzzled by the author of ‘Tibetan Book of the Dead’ for his ability to write his book without having died, I am now equally nonplussed with Dr. Thurman’s eloquent exposition of the experience of the enlightened while admitting he himself is not enlightened.
Who the heck is disliking a Bob Thurman talk?! 😄 Bitter souls
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Praying for me with wisdom and knowledge and understand in the reality way i believe God he is a big God he is in the universe we have to believe God when I was a little girl i was taught he knows everything what's going on he knows your purpose in life you have not tap into it's my parents was a Methodist Church i don't know why they didn't stay in the church i was little girl my self i has got sprinkler when i was little girl at the church
If Buddhism is truly non-dual how does Mara exist ?
Dennis Gaffney mara only exist in alternative truth but in ultimate truth mara don't exist.
Duality is the nature of mind. When we accept X exist (1) we inevitably create the condition of negation - X, for the mental conditioin X does not exist (-1). This is true for all our sense based Object s and is created in mind immediately. Hence all kleshas are dualistic too (Loba, Aloba; Dosa, Adosa, Moha, Amoha) which means - Attachment, Non-Attachment, Aversion, Non Aversion, Ignorence, Non Ignorence). In Buddhism worldly things typically explained in pairs of opposite.
This is when the idea of middle path practice comes in. Idea of keeping a middle mind (Equanimity).
Another example of duality : The Eight Worldly Concerns
Craving for pleasures of the six senses. [Pleasure]
Craving to be free of the unpleasant. [Pain]
Craving to hear sweet, ego-pleasing words or sounds. [Fame]
Craving to not hear ugly, displeasing words or sounds. [Disgrace]
Craving to acquire material things. [Gain]
Craving to avoid losing or not obtaining material things. [Loss]
Craving for personal praise and admiration. [Praise]
Craving to avoid personal slander, blame and criticism. [Blame]
Dennis Gaffney Mara doesn't exist but your mind that created Mara.
so the buddha is good for human
at 4.31 professor said that buddha met god that's completely wrong don't mix brahmin text in buddhism
According to the Samsara theory, every fish In the sea had once been one’s wife, and one has been the wife of every fish that has ever swim in the 7 seas! And, mutandis mutates, one has been related to all the ants in the universe. What a fantastic notion !
Typo - swum.
Quantum physics = paticcasamuppada
Ignorance, construction, consciousness, wave function collapse (determinant matter), measurement, observation, valence, thirst, grasping, becoming, birth, entropy and death.
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Its all human coception. Even science is ultimately a conception we develop through a particular process. Science is certainly a useful tool, but there is a fantasy that it explains reality which is just not the case.
Mike C very true
this channel mixes science with fiction and faith. i cant take it serious if you have people like deepak chopra.
+ Eclectic - Lesson learned yet? So then you won't be around to feel offended and express it any more? Thanks! Good for you.
studio 2020 what do you mean "lesson learned"?
Buddhism is not just Faith! Buddha who existed 2700 years ago but his ideas are the early foundation of logic, philosophy and Science! Don't think that you are alone the person who have studied Science!
Who the fook is Deepak.
Deepak Chopra
this man has a very liberal vision of what science actually is...buddha did not use the scientific method. many of his points are actually faith based yet he seems to twist it into science, its not...
Buddha used 'observational science' like many other Eastern contemplatives!
I give you an example(fun one!)....For nearly 2500 years,Eastern contemplatives knew that we experience "Lucid Dreaming". They didn't need modern scientific instrument like 'fmri' to prove that 'Lucid Dreaming' exists. They used 'observational techniques' to find out that "Lucid Dreaming' exists. The fun part is,modern scientists kept denying that humans can have the experience of "Lucid Dreaming'(until,people like Stephen LaBerge proved its existence!).....
Mamunur Rashid can you define "observational science" for me?
It was not science until the scientific method came into play. Science is a method, so if the method is not used it is not science. Pretty straight foreward.
//Science is a method, so if the method is not used it is not science//
You answered your own question!!!!
Looks like,you have not much idea of how the 'contemplatives' work! Why not study some of their processes? Or,why not do some research?
How,do you think,those contemplatives 'discovered' that 'Lucid Dreaming' exists? Accidentally? Or,using 'methods' of observation? Yes,they didn't/couldn't use 'sophisticated machines' like we have now to experiment stuffs. They simply used their 'mind' METHODICALLY to discover how the 'mind' works. They still use 'method'! You can argue that observing with the mind may not give us the 'right' conclusions. Yes,you are right. But that doesn't mean,they didn't discover some accurate 'stuffs',too,by observing human mind using specific methods. For example,one of their methods is : meditation!
And if you are so ignorant(which I believe you are not....you are trying to ignite an argument in which I am not interested at all.........),then why not 'search' google!! And if you are really 'honestly' want to explore more about this 'observation' and how the contemplatives worked,then why not watch youtube videos of the buddhist scholar Alan B Wallace(I get the term from him....He uses the terms 'Observational science or contemplative science'),who had nicely explained about this.....!!
I'm 'done' here. Not interested to argue with you on any issue anymore. My 'peace of mind' is more important than 'enlightening' you........Have a wonderful day! :D
Mamunur Rashid wow. Dont expect you to get mad. Why did that trigger you so?
I anwsered my own question? How so? Many of the points in this video do not follow the scientific method (not just method, there is a difference) thus inherently it is not science. Just contemplation is not the scientific method, its subjective there are no controls for things like bias, no data pointd and its non-reproducable .
Many of the things put foreward by contemplation turned put to be false, some were true and some were kinda true. Just because One things turned out to be true does not mean everything is. This is a logical fallacy and has a bit of post hoc bias.
Im not saying things like contemplation have no place. It just isnt science. Humans have many perceptual and cognitive flaws, which is why certain methods and controls came to be. In your example of lucid dreaming it became science once there were properly controlled experiments and reproducabillity. Not sure why this would upset you.
Thanks I will check out Alan b Wallace for the explenation. Just try not to get mad if someone questions your believe. That holds you back so much.
Ha? I am not mad or upset at all....! May be,my sentence formation or selection of words was a bit harsh. Sorry for that. I'm not a native english speaker....Also,I'm just not interested to spend my valuable time in pointless internet 'discussion'! ;-)
Thank you