Yes, this is really rare... And not in the contemporary journalist style listening which is to find out the nooks to throw the hooks, to progress through contradiction,; but a listening in which the interviewer is learning and moving "together" like K has emphasized - yet still thinking independently.
Artist Is Someone Who Is Applying Something New And Innovative In His Work. An Cook, A Singer, Actor, Director, Painter, Designer, Software Developer,All Are Form Of Artist As They Innovate
"This is very, very different from what many artists conceive of as their task. Especially in modern times, artists have this notion that they are, in some sense, reflectors of the fragmentation of their times. And so they make a statement which holds up the fragmentation as a mirror to us, and what has this got to do with anything else but reinforcing the fragmentation?" Allan W. Anderson 🙏👏 3:16
Yes, K says the artist is usually perceived as being an outsider, but really he/she is just an ordinary person, although more sensitive and alert to beauty, nature, etc. And so their task is to be a full human being, and then whatever they do will be creative. (1:27) I understand that to mean that because an artist a vehicle for bringing creative expression into the world (due to that innate sensitivity and alertness), they will naturally be creative, and so their effort can be put into their being a human being and their relationship to nature, etc. rather than making an effort that is more outward or outside of oneself. (Reminds me of the "pure observation of oneself with attention and with affection", "change begins from where you are", "not pursuing an ideal of non-violence but rather simply observing that you are violence" themes of K, but applied to creative expression.) I'd like to see more art generated from that place. And there are probably a lot of people who are artists in that pure sense but who don't realize it.
@@lilafrench i am wondering can rappers these days be considered artists? what they are doing is showing the fragmentation or hurt and making it seem relatable universal Right?
In today's modern world which operates like a never resting machine, people don't have the time to reflect on the beauty around them. Artists are sensitive, curious, childlike and are viewed as an entity that is alien to the society which seems sad. I believe everyone is an artist, we all possess the sensitivity required to perceive beauty, we just forget that we are all artists, because of the lifestyle we have created for ourselves. And as K says if we are whole human beings that is if we possess the art of living, everything we do will be art.
@@siddharthsid3638 if he is teaching you right things If his words are guiding you than he is none other than a guru J krishnamurti ji personally don't like the false guru tradition of India but he himself is the true guru language or clothes doesnt make a change He is enlightening everyone so he is a guru indeed
Artistic free expression is born out of love,not FEAR of Creation that did create with love what is a reflection of it energetically. Energetic synthesis.
Life is perceived in its profound beauty instant after instant, painting it or making a sculpture of it is like "freezing" something in an immutable way, producing an interruption of it. Life must be observed in all its beauty instant after instant without any interruption.
I consider myself an artist but people keep saying to me that I'm not because I don't do it anymore I do graphite, charcoal, color pencil, portraits, also ceramics and music. Every time someone tells me that I'm not an artist it makes me so angry just because I don't make it anymore or I don't sell my work I have never sold my work, and they said I'm not a drug addict I'm not an artist or homeless I'm tired if these people who tell me that. If a Musician retired from the music industry is he not still a musician or dose he forget how to play no he just doesn't
You also can be an artist without make any art just by observing the forms, shapes, the relationship between the elements of expression. There people which create beautiful art but they are not artist. Be an artist is not related to bring external results but involved to internal perceptive journey.
@@rajanishchandradikshit4467 if K teachings are beyond success and failures , happiness and sorrows mean he is talking about non-dual nature of existence and that is nothing but the core lesson of Vedanta but K is master in articulating all Indian sanatana/eternal knowledge without giving a single credit. Space/intelligence beyond body and mind is the foundation of all existence and that can only be experienced. Life/creation itself is the most unique art in my opinion and artist is the creator and it is one and same. Anything we do with full awareness/attention becomes an art in itself, true art is effortless.
By mocking the fragmentation, you can reinforce the fragmentation to the point of identifying and rectifying its absurdity, and thus provide reconciliation.
In mocking , and translating into words, it keeps getting reinforced … that’s what thoughts and words do… JK didn’t want us to even “fight for justice”… instead develop compassion within through “observation/ attention to whatever is - within and without”… That compassion/ intelligence / Truth ( not yours or mine, but above us all) will guide us on what to think/ do / say etc …
Your everyday life, second by second, is the true art. It is common to committ yourself to an "art form", which may look beautiful, all the while you as a human being only perpetuate the disorder you may point out through your art. There is nothing wrong with being creative, but don't escape your life through one particular little form of creativity, making it all-important. That's how I saw it, hope it helped.
“If there is an understanding of nature, of life, that is whole (!) “ ...then the expression of e.g. the artist’s (of al human beings) relationship with it is creative. If the artist wants to become something, or is seeking something with his art, sets himself apart (outsider) then there is division and he’s in a trap. The art becomes a means to an end (my interpretation) and that will never satisfy or be creative...”then the art becomes extremely important to him and the people” (dualism) That he was refering to in the beginning of the video. -> So, what is an artist? 🙃
I think the point here is that art by fragmented people will also be a fragment. I can also point out the horror of murder by murdering somebody. Or I can do something that has nothing to do with horror whatsoever, including emphasizing it by pointing it out.
There’s nothing wrong with that (nor good). If I understand correctky what’s being said...There is this idea though, that the so called sublime (in “great art”) can not arise out of an attempt to illustrate something material, or to derive some artistic idea out of fragmentation, such as “to create awareness of a wordly issue”, what makes the artwork more like a one-dimensional political pamflet or claim (what I found not interesting, but then, who am I?) . Then there is nothing else but to recognize, agree or disagree, to like or not like it, because of personal taste etc., but no pointer for the audience to freely-whatever-seems-to-happen when looking at some great art, which one often cannot put into words. A sublime meaningless creation, e.g. music that totally absorbes you, but there’s no association with something else in it. *art that “moves”)
True, BUT the question is why there is fragmentation to begin with?. We have broken the life into innumerable fragments and then "by being aware of them" we try to make them whole, which is impossible. Because as long as the human mind, perceives and operates fragmentally, there is no end to this cycle. "First be a total human being and then whatever you do would be beautiful" - JK . A mind that is whole in itself, perceives and acts holistically.
Does he? you can show the existence of fragmentation without creating or exposing a fragment. Most do the latter, appeal to raw emotion to shock/impress the(ir) truth into you. As you see daily, this method doesn't work, people don't change except superficially. And next time the shock must be even greater in order to impress.
“...but apart from that he’s JUST an ordinary man.” So??? Apart from that, Osama was just an ordinary man. So was Jesus. So was Hitler. So was Picasso. So was Shakespeare. So was Beethoven. So was J Krishnamurti.
That’s the exact equality and oneness JK felt, knew and spoke about and lived… … when we realize it deeply from within, our way of living changes … Or so he said … 🙏
What a great listener the interviewer is.
Yes, this is really rare... And not in the contemporary journalist style listening which is to find out the nooks to throw the hooks, to progress through contradiction,; but a listening in which the interviewer is learning and moving "together" like K has emphasized - yet still thinking independently.
Right. Very few listen JK silently like dr bohm, allen.
@@truthandspirituality2528 I feel great about the fact that bhom was a physicist
Both are listening patiently. This is called communication.
You'll listen more when you can barely understand
Can you guys also feel the compassion K has when he's talking about artist?
Yes bro.
Artist Is Someone Who Is Applying Something New And Innovative In His Work. An Cook, A Singer, Actor, Director, Painter, Designer, Software Developer,All Are Form Of Artist As They Innovate
"This is very, very different from what many artists conceive of as their task. Especially in modern times, artists have this notion that they are, in some sense, reflectors of the fragmentation of their times. And so they make a statement which holds up the fragmentation as a mirror to us, and what has this got to do with anything else but reinforcing the fragmentation?" Allan W. Anderson 🙏👏 3:16
That's the striking quotation from this talk. Thanks for your comment.
Yes, K says the artist is usually perceived as being an outsider, but really he/she is just an ordinary person, although more sensitive and alert to beauty, nature, etc. And so their task is to be a full human being, and then whatever they do will be creative. (1:27)
I understand that to mean that because an artist a vehicle for bringing creative expression into the world (due to that innate sensitivity and alertness), they will naturally be creative, and so their effort can be put into their being a human being and their relationship to nature, etc. rather than making an effort that is more outward or outside of oneself.
(Reminds me of the "pure observation of oneself with attention and with affection", "change begins from where you are", "not pursuing an ideal of non-violence but rather simply observing that you are violence" themes of K, but applied to creative expression.)
I'd like to see more art generated from that place. And there are probably a lot of people who are artists in that pure sense but who don't realize it.
@@lilafrench i am wondering can rappers these days be considered artists? what they are doing is showing the fragmentation or hurt and making it seem relatable universal Right?
I feel like he is sitting right beside me and whispering his lesson in my ear which is stabbing my ego and making me feel like living again
i think anyone who is listening to k is making strikingly penetrating statements
In today's modern world which operates like a never resting machine, people don't have the time to reflect on the beauty around them. Artists are sensitive, curious, childlike and are viewed as an entity that is alien to the society which seems sad. I believe everyone is an artist, we all possess the sensitivity required to perceive beauty, we just forget that we are all artists, because of the lifestyle we have created for ourselves. And as K says if we are whole human beings that is if we possess the art of living, everything we do will be art.
His words are treasure for a learner.
This is the kind of message that in two or five hundred years in the future still gonna be active and true.
It is a lasting truth.
truth is timeless
Great! Life as art (not just science).
Thank you
thanks guru ji
He is not guru
@@siddharthsid3638 if he is teaching you right things
If his words are guiding you than he is none other than a guru
J krishnamurti ji personally don't like the false guru tradition of India but he himself is the true guru language or clothes doesnt make a change
He is enlightening everyone so he is a guru indeed
Don't call him a guru,,,,in his whole life, he refuses all kinds of gurudom
Yes , he is not guru. He is just mirror where we all see our own foolishness.
@@siddharthsid3638 A guru also means somebody whose opinions you admire and respect, and whose ideas you follow.
Loved the way how animate, the great man went in the middle.
Whatever one does, be a total human being, to start with ... Understanding the life, dead love relationships.... Be free of conflict within the self
🌹💙 The way one lives their life shows what caliber of artist they are. 🌞🙏
brilliant
Artistic free expression is born out of love,not FEAR of Creation that did create with love what is a reflection of it energetically.
Energetic synthesis.
Life is perceived in its profound beauty instant after instant, painting it or making a sculpture of it is like "freezing" something in an immutable way, producing an interruption of it. Life must be observed in all its beauty instant after instant without any interruption.
I consider myself an artist but people keep saying to me that I'm not because I don't do it anymore I do graphite, charcoal, color pencil, portraits, also ceramics and music. Every time someone tells me that I'm not an artist it makes me so angry just because I don't make it anymore or I don't sell my work I have never sold my work, and they said I'm not a drug addict I'm not an artist or homeless I'm tired if these people who tell me that. If a Musician retired from the music industry is he not still a musician or dose he forget how to play no he just doesn't
You also can be an artist without make any art just by observing the forms, shapes, the relationship between the elements of expression. There people which create beautiful art but they are not artist. Be an artist is not related to bring external results but involved to internal perceptive journey.
THE MOST PROFOUND THINKER THAT THE WORLD HAS KNOWN.
Beautiful ❤️😊
Is there a transcript available: "First be a total human being, and whatever you create --- whatever you do will be beauftiful!" "Of course."
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Your positive action combined with positive thinking results in success.
Indeed,it's impossible to succeed without managing our actions and attitude.. beautiful little mermaid btw size of our soul is same 💟😇
@@rajanishchandradikshit4467 if K teachings are beyond success and failures , happiness and sorrows mean he is talking about non-dual nature of existence and that is nothing but the core lesson of Vedanta but K is master in articulating all Indian sanatana/eternal knowledge without giving a single credit. Space/intelligence beyond body and mind is the foundation of all existence and that can only be experienced. Life/creation itself is the most unique art in my opinion and artist is the creator and it is one and same. Anything we do with full awareness/attention becomes an art in itself, true art is effortless.
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By mocking the fragmentation, you can reinforce the fragmentation to the point of identifying and rectifying its absurdity, and thus provide reconciliation.
Maybe not even mock; reconcile within yourself the fragmentation; What you reconcile within yourself, you can reconcile within others.
In mocking , and translating into words, it keeps getting reinforced … that’s what thoughts and words do…
JK didn’t want us to even “fight for justice”… instead develop compassion within through “observation/ attention to whatever is - within and without”…
That compassion/ intelligence / Truth ( not yours or mine, but above us all) will guide us on what to think/ do / say etc …
Score one for krishnamurti
Nice
Can someone please explain to me what are J.K. trying to say? Thanks
Your everyday life, second by second, is the true art. It is common to committ yourself to an "art form", which may look beautiful, all the while you as a human being only perpetuate the disorder you may point out through your art.
There is nothing wrong with being creative, but don't escape your life through one particular little form of creativity, making it all-important.
That's how I saw it, hope it helped.
Thanks again. It was helpful.
Did you mean - “I’m trying to understand what K is saying.”
“If there is an understanding of nature, of life, that is whole (!) “ ...then the expression of e.g. the artist’s (of al human beings) relationship with it is creative. If the artist wants to become something, or is seeking something with his art, sets himself apart (outsider) then there is division and he’s in a trap. The art becomes a means to an end (my interpretation) and that will never satisfy or be creative...”then the art becomes extremely important to him and the people” (dualism) That he was refering to in the beginning of the video. -> So, what is an artist? 🙃
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To point out a fragmentation serves to raise awareness of it, doesn’t it. I don’t see what’s wrong with that.
I think the point here is that art by fragmented people will also be a fragment. I can also point out the horror of murder by murdering somebody. Or I can do something that has nothing to do with horror whatsoever, including emphasizing it by pointing it out.
Where in the conversation did either of them mention it was "wrong"?
There’s nothing wrong with that (nor good). If I understand correctky what’s being said...There is this idea though, that the so called sublime (in “great art”) can not arise out of an attempt to illustrate something material, or to derive some artistic idea out of fragmentation, such as “to create awareness of a wordly issue”, what makes the artwork more like a one-dimensional political pamflet or claim (what I found not interesting, but then, who am I?) . Then there is nothing else but to recognize, agree or disagree, to like or not like it, because of personal taste etc., but no pointer for the audience to freely-whatever-seems-to-happen when looking at some great art, which one often cannot put into words. A sublime meaningless creation, e.g. music that totally absorbes you, but there’s no association with something else in it. *art that “moves”)
True, BUT the question is why there is fragmentation to begin with?. We have broken the life into innumerable fragments and then "by being aware of them" we try to make them whole, which is impossible. Because as long as the human mind, perceives and operates fragmentally, there is no end to this cycle. "First be a total human being and then whatever you do would be beautiful" - JK . A mind that is whole in itself, perceives and acts holistically.
And what is an artist in a dark alley?
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Sketchy
Ohhh god 😂😂
Those fonts at the start are so nice, anyone know what they are?
Warnock Pro/Gill Sans
@@KFoundation
Thank you.❤
Didn't jiddu doing the same what interviewer pointed out in the end of video?
To show the fragmentation of society to society.
Does he? you can show the existence of fragmentation without creating or exposing a fragment. Most do the latter, appeal to raw emotion to shock/impress the(ir) truth into you. As you see daily, this method doesn't work, people don't change except superficially. And next time the shock must be even greater in order to impress.
“...but apart from that he’s JUST an ordinary man.” So??? Apart from that, Osama was just an ordinary man. So was Jesus. So was Hitler. So was Picasso. So was Shakespeare. So was Beethoven. So was J Krishnamurti.
Yes. We are not as different from Hitler or Picasso as we'd like to believe.
That’s the exact equality and oneness JK felt, knew and spoke about and lived…
… when we realize it deeply from within, our way of living changes …
Or so he said … 🙏
Seems jk has not understood anything about art or artists!
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