A New Stereo Audiophile 78 RPM Record in 2019: The Chicago Cellar Boys
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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The Chicago Cellar Boys have been electrifying audiences in Chicago and beyond since 2017 with raw, invigorating "hot" jazz of the 1920s -- think King Oliver, Bix Beiderbecke, Frank Teschemacher, Clarence Williams, Bennie Moten, and Jimmie Noone. The GOOD stuff. The quintet includes seasoned professionals who have toured and recorded with Leon Redbone and Vince Giordano and been featured in the hit HBO series "Boardwalk Empire."
This limited edition 78 rpm vinyl record features four exclusive performances made just for this EP. You will not find them on any other record or CD.
The audiophile quality of the recording is a marvel in itself; this record would make an excellent demonstration disc for any high-end system with a turntable capable of playing a stereo, microgroove 78 rpm record.
Personnel: Andy Schumm (cornet, clarinet, tenor saxophone); John Otto (clarinet, alto saxophone); Paul Asaro (piano, vocals); John Donatowicz (banjo, guitar); Dave Bock (tuba).
Both sides were recorded in Racine, Wisconsin on March 9, 2019.
Limited edition pressing of 550 copies.
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The return of the 78 rpm record after 60 years is so freaking cool man. Great job boys.
Just shows That 78rpm records are here to stay and what a loud crisp sound.What a good job
Higher fidelity
We need new records from German Berlin type swing like Kurt Widmann: ruclips.net/video/bxwJIyOx1bk/видео.html
La qualité sonore est ici celle des plus récents vinyles, et même meilleure que les 16, 33 ou 45 tours, puisque la vitesse étant plus grande, les aiguës seront plus précises.
records were meant to spin fast; 45s and 33s are a joke, and dont even get me started on 16s.
@@evin98 My only 16 2/3 rpm record is a 16 incher with a number of Pepsi Cola radio commercials on it. From the early 1970’s, it features “new” Diet Pepsi, now reformulated without cyclamates. The Three Dog Night is featured on one of the commercials. It’s pretty funny…
This is 78rpm record with microgroove like LP, that's why it sounds so good.
Yeah shellac records doesn't have stereo functions because the groove were bigger.
@@Gilgamoth Not only that, it was recorded on modern equipment and played back with modern stylus and cartridge. Really, the only thing it has in common with the old shellac records is the playback speed.
@@chrisantoniou4366 yup. but also, COOL old school jazz
@@chrisantoniou4366 and it's a 10 inch
@@hern01134 Quite so! I should have mentioned that.
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This is amazing, now we know how a 1920s Jazz Age band would sound using today’s recording standards. And cutting the vinyl at 78 rpm is the icing on the cake. Technically modern cutting lathes can work at any speed, but the fact that most modern TTs lack 78 rpm support is perhaps the reason we don’t see many of these around. Great work :)
I hope they can get ahold of a carbon mic.
That could have something to do with 78s being almost exclusively the old lower-fidelity shellac pressings and not exactly "audiophile" by today's standards as well as simply being out of production. I will say I do love 78s in general and not just as retro enthusiasm or as a novelty but both the music is enjoyable and I am sometimes impressed by things like bass response and dynamics given the limitations of the time.
@@pip5528 They kept making 78's into the late 1950's and the DJ copies were made of vinyl, not shellac, and if you can find one in mint condition the fidelity is incredible. But you have to play it on a fat needle. I have some R&B 78's from the 50's and the sound is staggering much better than 33 or 45 of the time period.
@@hyzercreekThere were also a few 78 vinyls available from such sources as RCA Victor and Sears’ Record Club. Played back with a standard 2.5 or 3.0 mil stylus.
As a owner of this 78, I must say, it is the finest 78 I have ever heard, in regards to sound quality. It only gets played on my REK-O-Kut CVS with an SC35C from Shure, and people purchasing, this particular 78 is played with a normal LP stylus, not a 78 stylus.
So I would argue this is not a true 78 record…
@@robvanwijngaarden It is a 78rpm record, that is what you play it at. True it is not shellac, but it is at 78 rpm, it is microgroove stereo and made of vinyl instead of shellac, it is a very quiet high quality record. Tops in the 1950's made a microgroove 78 with 2 songs on each side.
Cool, was it in stereo?
@@johntempest267 yes it is In stereo. It is a microgroove stereophonic 78rpm record.
A lot of credits should also go to the Technics SL and the incredible Audio Technica AT440MLa. I’ve got the same set up. A very interesting initiative by the way. Anyone interested in radio broadcasts carrying this genre I would recommend “Charleston Radio International” on 5140kHz from Berlin, Germany. Europe wide coverage.
That sounds so good. It's very detailed. The cool thing is that speed, there should be no inner groove distortion due to diameter loss, because even though it's significantly slower than on the outer groove, the speed of the record itself should make it unnoticeable. Thank you for sharing.
There wouldn't be any inner groove distortion anyway with that Audio Technica microline stylus. I own one of those styluses and haven't noticed any IGD even on my 33's. But your right, at that speed you shouldn't notice hardly any distortion even with a conical or elliptical tip stylus
How could anyone not just absolutely LOVE this stuff ?!?!?
Except for the noise floor, it sounds like 7.5 ips direct-to-tape. It's got that snap, punch and in-your-face presentation that most 33 1/3 records don't have. This is maybe as good as 15 ips.
I bought the entire Rivermont 78 collection. If they produce more, I'll buy them. Sound doesn't get any better than this.
78 RPM could be a good candidate for HD vinyl.
I have 2 of the Rivermont records and they sound absolutely wonderful. I wish there were hundreds more.
Sounds way better than a 45, Congratulations. I love older sound formats,and a stereo 78 is good, and excellent music.
cuanta mas velocidad mas calidad
I have purchased most of these new 78's. They sound fantastic.
This is so cool. Excellent musicians. 😊👍👍
Wow! Love this kind of music and love 78's!! I have three old phonographs and also a new one that plays 78's! Love to know they made a comeback!!
The annoying part is that the vast majority of modern phonographs only play at speeds 33 and 45.
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I agree
There's a reason, why maxi singles run with 45 RPM only
*laughs in 60s turntable*
I have a brand new TEAC turntable that plays 78rpm. That’s just one of the reasons I bought it.
@@Toast0808 are you playing 78RPM records on it? If you are, please use a proper stylus for those. Playing an old shellac record with a microgroove stylus will wear out both the record and the stylus
There used to be this "Audiophile" label in the 1950s that issued jazz sides on 78RPM red vinyl (mono), I have one of those.
What label? I’m getting into 78’s myself.
@@jeb419 The label is called Audiophile. It's 78 RPM microgroove.
Sounds great. Of course, at 78rpm, the dynamic range would be enormous and you'd have other benefits, including high frequency response and stereo separation.
The only drawback is the loss of recording time.
One could occasionally buy hi-fi recordings on 12" microgroove virgin vinyl played at 45 in the 70s and 80s and the difference was noticeable - transients just punched!
I just LOVE IT. Since my childhood I always love the sound of those old recordings. The background, the cracs, pops etc... never did bother me! THANKS for sering.
Imagine hearing one of these back in 1900. That's crazy.
Not at all. I've lots of that kind of age and they sound fine. You wouldn't have any jazz in 1900 though, ragtime maybe... The first jazz or "jass" records started to appear around 1917. Stuff like this would have been mid to late 20's. In 1900 you would have had popular light classical of the day, comedy songs and spoken word stuff and vaudeville/ music hall recordings.
Bloody hell this is good. Heading to your website now!
Great rendition of music from a time gone by. Keep the music alive. Great job. Thank you for sharing.
Now that's the way Jazz should sound! That's the best I ever heard a record sound. Excellent job guys! Great band and great tunes! I 💜 Jazz so much.
By having it at 78 RPM it's like running a cassette tape at a higher speed, less possible noise from the medium meaning you can have better fidelity and better frequency response.
Very nice! In Germany the is also the Palast Orquestra with his singer Max Raabe. They also play the repertoire of music of the 20s and 30s.!
I grew up in the era of 33's and 45's, My mother was a good singer and recording some 78 LP's but they were so badly scratched I never realized how good they sounded.
Awesome sound! If all 78s could be recorded with the LP groove I think 78s could come back with a bang.
You can just as good sound recording 12" at 45rpm!
"Extended play" 78 discs (usually lasting about five to six minutes) were issued in the early 1950's by "cheap" outfits offering "soundalikes" of hit pop tunes.
Yes. Those usually had three songs per side. The inspiration for this particular EP record was the British 4-in-1 label (c. 1932) which featured two full-length selections on each side of a normal 10-inch 78. Using a finer groove (but still not microgroove), they were able to fit up to 6 minutes per side. Here in the States, Hit-of-the-Week, Columbia, Crown, and other labels also experimented with longer playing 78s in the early 1930s, but they usually topped out at about 5 minutes and either featured one extended 5-minute selection or one full-length selection followed by one short "bonus" track.
I have some older 12 inch 78s from late 30s or mid forties
Love the Cellar boys sound.
Great to see young people bringing back REAL music!!! We need to kill off that noise that has been labeled "music" for the last 60 years!!
Bravo! What an awesome endeavor...Good luck to all. Small suggestion, future videos of the band: All should dress the part for the era...Sort of like the banjo player....He looks like he stepped right out of the pages of time. Again, this is really fabulous project!
I'm very much excited to see 78rpm recordr are produced in 2019 !! It's really something I love too much.
Even the vinyl Bell 7 inch 78s from the 50s sound pretty damn good when played on decent equipment! And they were budget singles!
They sound so damn good on 50s and 60s record player consoles
Awwww... I thought this was going to be shellac played on an acoustic record player...
yep... crappy microgroove, just an LP at a faster speed
@@gunnarthefeisty "crappy" yet sounds fantastic
ruclips.net/video/KV678Ob3tMw/видео.html if you must insist on acoustic playback
@@hdmuz8 Omg this is incredible thank you for showing me this!
Hope this takes off more artists releasing singlesthis way for the sound quality
Superb sound quality.
When the caption said that they can put 8 minutes on one side, my first thought was "Foreplay/Long Time" by Boston. I bet that would sound great mastered for 78.
Makes CDs sound lacking. Even the internet doesn't do the work justice. Well done!
Super cool 😊 78 Tours. Merci
Incredible sound. Would this be considered Dixieland jazz? Some high quality toe tapping audio there!
Excellent sound, I'm fan of 78 r.p.m. is the best and quality sound super hi-fi with microgroove. Congratullations. My name is Edward and I live in Argentina and I have 72 years old.
If only I could afford this record...
I think 78s can actually sound better than the other speeds due to the fast motion, and the fact that the information is spread out. Cool video. Great music too!
It helps that these were pressed on vinyl. The last of the 78's that were made from the late 40's throughout even the 60's were pressed on vinyl and in the then new microgroove format. High quality microphones help as well. Also, the stylus we use now for records (and particularly listening to 78's) are far superior in quality to the old "cactus" style needles used on gramophones and record players way back in the day. Mastering at high speeds also accounts for greater fidelity. This is common practice when recording to analog tape.
Absolutely fantastic !
The band looks as old as the music sounds.
Nice to see that 78's are coming back!! Some rock band did an entire album of them not too long ago.
I know I'm late, but I think cutting at 78 is a great way to make records. At that speed there can be a lot more groove modulation and even the highest frequencies will be well recorded.
sounds amazing I have a lot of 78's and a friend has a juke box 78
Beautiful!
Sounds super will look for this on line
This is the quality they wished records could have sounded 100 years ago.
I'm excited to see 78 microgroove become a new novelty! It sounds very crisp for what it is! I can just imagine, with all the new players these days with 3 speed, making "master quality" EPs/singles with all that groove/second, oh gosh! I love this
These Fella`s are GREAT! They know their 1920`s Music indeed! I PRAY that they are still Making Record`s and or playing!
Sounds so clear and hi-fi like, knowing that stereo 78s are usually rare to find, pressing a 78 in 2019 is so good as an idea but will it really come back as a medium?
it's kind of disappointing for me I want 78's a gramophone can play. I have 3 gramophones laying around I would love to buy some new music for but because the groves are smaller on these and a gramophone needle would be too thick this record is useless to me yeah I can play it on a modern record player but what's the point when we have LP records that hold way more music.
@@gravedigr12 Stereo micro-groove 78 rpm records have a way higher audio quality than normal LPs (33 1/3 rpm) because of the faster rotating speed, which means smaller songs, but better sound reproduction. It's possible to make your own (thick groove) 78 rpm records using a lacquer cutting machine - or a laser: www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-Playable-Laser-Cut-Gramophone-Record-from-B/
@@gravedigr12 Go to some yard sales when everything opens up this summer. I find 78's all the time, and at very affordable prices. You have to search, but the reward is quite worth it.
@@gravedigr12 "it's kind of disappointing for me I want 78's a gramophone can play."
It's impossible. There is no way to get the shellac plastic with abrasive, that is required for this. They tried it, but it seems that no record company stored the recipe.
There it starts.
After WW2 they pressed 78s in vinyl or a vinyl shellac mix, that isn't mend to be played on wind up players.
"but what's the point when we have LP records that hold way more music."
The point is, that a record sounds better, when the speed is high. Therefore, the 33 rpm record couldn't become popular, before using vinyl and in the 1940's the goal was to extend the playing time and to improve the sound a little bit.
It's the same with tape. In the end of 1940's they used 30 inch/s, because this was the only way to get frequencies up to 10 kHz. Today, when 15 inch/s became standard, the introduction of CD brought back 30 inch/s, in this case for better sound.
@@elliykollek " It's possible to make your own (thick groove) 78 rpm records using a lacquer cutting machine"
But this records requires special needles, the material is way too soft, will be easily destroyed.
That was the reason, why all the flexible discs couldn't become popular, before the first lightweighted saphyre pickup came.
This was definitely a worthwhile purchase of mine back in April 2022!
Folks, it is the "writing speed". Same magic occurs with tape. Ever listen to records made from 30 IPS full track mono tapes from the fifties? Writing speed.
Exactly. As I said earlier, "Except for the noise floor, it sounds like 7.5 ips direct-to-tape. It's got that snap, punch and in-your-face presentation that most 33 1/3 records don't have. This is maybe as good as 15 ips."
Great performance, I have them all and just ordered that one as well. Superb to see + hear John Otto in this band, looking very much forward to yet another quality record!
Beautiful, I love the Brunswick style label on them, it would be cool if you guys could produce copy’s of the songs you recorded and make them with the original wide grooves.
Fantastic !!!
If I ever release my tunes on vinyl, it's gonna be like this lol.
Incredible Players looking forward to buying this
I ♥️ record 78s
Just got my copy of the 78. Love it! Press them and we will buy lol
pretty neato, immediately recognized the 440mla cart on the LP120 lol
I used to have an actual 1930s 78 of "Hello, Beautiful", which they included on this disc. "Hello, beautiful / How'd you get so beautiful? / How'd you get that sunshine in your smile?...Tell me, beautiful / How can you be dutiful? / And still be mother's angel child?"
Thank you very much its so great to hear these recordings
Nicely done!
Damn these sound good! Really, really good! And that's with youtube adding lossy compression. Would love to own one of these.
absolutely blown away by this. Fantastic, love old music
Was very surprised to see you still had these in stock. I quickly bought one and can’t wait until I can play it.
Very cool. I collect old rock / r & b / blues 78s... they sound pretty good with the right cartridge and stylus. 78s are my favorite format
Instantly sold.
Would love to hear the 78 rpm masters on a downloadable FLAC I bet that would sound good. Mastered without compression.
nice work! respect!!!
The 78's were much aligned for some reason. I like the look and feel of one. It's li,e you got,your money's worth for,a decent product. Bravo cellar,boys!
This is really great, your music and the audiophile sound of the record! Great idea, must be a lot better than a 45 rpm 12 inch!
Amazing sound. I'm not a fan of 33 1/3 rpm records as they are very prone to inner groove distortion. 45 rpm is better, but 78 rpm is best.
7" discs are better, I'll give you that (because of the inner groove distortion issue). Even 45 RPMs is slightly too fast. 33 is about right. That's why is was selected for LPs in the first place. LPs were largely classical and jazz in the beginning. Music that appealed to audiophiles. The faster the disc turns, the more surface noise you get. There is still no perfect media. LPs were far from perfect. Surface noise and high frequency and inner groove distortion.. Tape at consumer level does not produce clean sound. Digital media tends to flatten treble, and over accentuate bass. This is one reason why people still attend live concerts.
@@efandmk3382 If what you've said is true, I think that's the reason I love 45s so much. It seems to be the perfect middle ground for having not too much inner groove distortion and not too much noise. I've definitely noticed that 78s are noisy, but I always wrote it off as being the shellac compound that was used for all but the newest 78s and, of course, the old age of the discs.
@@efandmk3382 From what I understand, audiophiles are a very recent phenomenon, and back when just the possibility of listening to recorded music in your home was itself a novelty, sound quality was not the highest priority. Columbia's greatest concern with creating the LP was to produce a record that could hold an entire "album" (i.e. a *literal* album of 78's, with roughly 30 minutes of music), so it would be smaller, lighter and more durable than shellac records. RCA had similar concerns with their 45's, but they focused on their record changers and giving people the ability to play songs in whatever order they wanted. A stack of 45's was just a lot less convenient than an LP, and they were stuck on a rut for a long time until rock 'n' roll took off, attracting young audiences.
It's not that audio quality wasn't a concern, but I doubt audiophiles were ever a variable in their equation. If sound quality were ever that important, 8-track cartridges would've never taken off in the States.
@@purplesabbath9057 The only reason for 45 was, that a company wanted another format based on smaller records, that can contain 6 minutes per side plus a changer. At least the album concept of the shellac age should be improved. The other concept was similar, to Edison's long play "Diamond Discs" and RCA's early "transcription discs", to get more playing time from each side.
@@robfriedrich2822 Yes, I'm well aware of that, and I'm glad it happened because I love my 45s.
I LOVE THIS! Awesome to see a BEAUTIFUL 78 RPM Record Playing! And this Band! I LOVE THEM! I do hope that Rivermount Records are still in business, And Apollo Masters was not the source of Your masters! Sadly they had a fire this AWFUL Year! I would be a Groupie for these AWESOME Fella`s indeed!
Incredible Jazz Band!!! Glorious Guys!!!
Wonderful!
I liked that a lot. Thumbs up 'ain't good enough. Great idea nicely presented.
Awesome!!! ☆☆☆☆☆
This is so rad!
I have all Rivermont 78's.
I’ve heard 45rpm recordings that are very sweet. Now 78’s. Just need to find a $12k turntable/cartridge that plays them!
I see some people talk about linear velocity especially in conjunction with the so called inner groove distortion. Just out of curiosity I’ve counted what it does for 78 rpm as I know the difference is rather negligible for 45 vs 33 rpm, here it actually comes close to the values of outer groove played at 33, see below. ;-)
Inmost Recorded Groove Radius (57.50 mm)
201 mm/s (33 rpm)
271 mm/s (45 rpm)
471 mm/s (78 rpm)
Outmost Recorded Groove Radius (146.3 mm)
511 mm/s (33 rpm)
689 mm/s (45 rpm)
1199 mm/s (78 rpm)
Thank goodness stereo micro groove records are being made in 2019! I’ve been waiting for this for a very, very long time. Excellent music on an excellent quality, analogue format! Thank you to all that made this possible. Please keep recording and releasing these wonderful 78s! All the best, Gavin. (A budding ‘audiophile’ from Bristol, in England 🏴)
Wow beautiful!!! Enjoy this a lot!!🎶💚😜
Great stuff 👒
Makes sense actually, at this speed it's like a hi-fi 45 😎 In the evolution of records, after moving to vinyl manufacturers never got the speed back to 78 although with microgrooves it's bound to be a more than sufficient playing time at high quality, especially with modern recording equipment 🎵 So this is like from an alternate universe - a steampunk record 🎩
Towards the end of 78 rpm making, a few vinyl 78's with narrow grooves were vailable. I heard a couple of these recordings at a collector's home and they were amazing. But even the 12 inch records did not hold enough music for most classical recordings to be made with only one disc. Hence the ascendency of the 33-1/3 microgroove recordings. As a child, when I heard my first 33-1/3 record, it was the playing time that amazed me. This was before the "high fidelity" revolution when quality reproduction was becoming regarded as important, and by then the 33-1/3 rpm recordings were ubiquitous -- high-speed vinyl records could never gain traction in the Long Play market.
Records that were made with variable groove pitch and which tried to keep the recorded surface as far to the outside of the record were pretty good, but the only one I can remember today was Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto #2 which was released on a single LP, occupying both sides of the record. Most manufacturers spread the grooves out as far as possible to make it look like there was more music on the record. The sound suffered in the inner grooves. It was similar to the marketing of fresh produce today. Make it look as good as possible, and to hell with the quality. Sigh ...
Very nice
Awesome
A cautionary note. The only thing this record has in common with the old 78 rpm shellac records is the playback speed. Everything else is modern - modern recording equipment and microphones, modern microgroove vinyl disc, and played back on a top quality cartridge and stylus. It sounds great but you need to bear in mind why.
Que hermosa música... Y qué buen sonido de un 78rpm. Siempre escuché decir que a mayor velocidad de reproducción, mayor calidad. Y realmente suena increíble.
Absolute analog quality, probably better than hi-res digital
Your stage should look like a giant gramophone - love it
Wonderfull
This surprised me ! With the predominance of CD and music distribution services, you can make 78 rpm records like the old days! you are good job ! 👏👏👏🥰🎵✨✨🎵
Amazing! Absolutely amazing.