Ticking Stick. Marking out and cutting curves. Fantastic old but accurate way of marking shapes.
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2023
- In this video I will use a ticking stick also known as a tick stick to create template of the curves of my milling vise. Reproduce the curves on plywood and cut and fit.
This method still wows me with the ease of use and accuracy.
I will use the ticking stick for marking.
No measuring needed.
Then cut out on my band saw, sand and fit.
Fitted after first go.
The covers are to cover the ways of my milling machine
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I have had a few comments regarding the use of a compass to scribe the curve directly to the ply. As this will not create a curve that will fit I have done a video to demo why. Have a look.
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Cheers Mike
I shall now have a ticking stick in my shop. Thanks!
Great. Its a great tool when you need it. Have a look at my internal shape video. Cheers Mike
What a brilliant idea. Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for watching and commenting. The next one on fitting to an internal shape rounds out the info. Cheers Mike
The idea behind a tikerstick was for ship wright's to convey complex shapes and structures to other workers for milling. This was a great video. I first learned about this tool on another channel, see jane drill.
Thanks for the info! Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
Thanks for watching. Cheers Mike
Thank you!! So simple it's genius.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
I’ve heard of ticking sticks, but never seen them demonstrated so clearly. Thank you 🙏 😊
Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers Mike
interesting. 👍
I sent this vid to my brother whom does wood working.
Thanks for watching. Hope your brother enjoys. Cheers Mike
Excellent demonstration made very clear, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it. Just used this process to fit decking around odd shape spa pool the other day and it was fantastic. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
Wow - so easy. I never heard of this technique before - using a ticking stick. I could have used this many times in the past, now I'll use it in the future. Nice explanation and demonstration. At first I questioned that the ticking stick wasn't kept parallel to other marks. You demonstrated that it doesn't have to, just follow the marks on the paper. Good job. 9/22/2023.
Thanks for commenting and watching. Its a great method. Glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers Mike
Marvelous. Heard of it, had no idea what it was or how to use. Thanks for the demo.
Thanks for watching. It works well. Cheers Mike
It's true that you learn something new every day and this it the thing for today. Never seen or heard of this method and device before. When you said you were covering the ways on your mill, you had me stumped, because they are already covered by the table, but you meant the T slots in the table. They can't be 'Ways', because no other part of the machine 'runs' on them.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes the T slots. Cheers Mike
Brilliant demonstration on how to avoid gaps on curves.Never too old to learn.
Thanks for watching. Yes I know the feeling never to old to learn. Cheers Mike
Wow! How cool. Thanks.
Thanks for watching. Pleased you enjoyed. Cheers Mike
You made me feel old! In the early 80's I remember using a similar - but much smaller - ticking stick when replicating complex moulding setups for a Wadkin four block moulding machine. I believe the mouldings were for some stately house restoration in Yorkshire. Three days of setup and HSS cutter grinding to get a precise match and then two days of running timber - I think it was Pearwood maybe - to produce enough material for the works. Our ticking sticks were very narrow and hand the pencil hole cut directly in line with the fine point to eliminate the need for offsets. I used a rough cut one a few years ago when doing some tiling for my niece - being old can be great :-)
Sorry for making you feel old. Great that it brought back memories from the 80s. I know the feeling thou of working in the 80s. As an electrician I have worked on many Wadkin machines here in New Zealand. I loved the huge size and weight. Thanks for the great comment and watching my video. Cheers Mike
@@mikesworkshopadventures When I first started at age 16, I was a skinny little thing. There was a little bald fella nicknamed Porky (he looked like the cartoon character) who ran this massive Wadkin bandsaw with an 8 inch wide blade and teeth like a Tyrannosaurus - scary as hell when running at full speed. Now Porky got paid piece rates so hated stopping the machine for anything.Every time the sawdust pit filled up I got sent down with a little plastic shovel like kids use on the beach to clear it out while Porky kept running timber through above my head. Horrifically dangerous and terrifying. Never be allowed today and actually wasn't then really. I worked out we were cutting upwards of 14km of 1 inch boards a day - timber straight off the boat from Scandinavia in mid-Winter. I vowed then to get an office job :-)
Yes amazing what we did when we started as apprentices that would be fround on these days. Living in New Zealand we have quite a mild climate so winters not to bad. But a nice warm office does sound good. Cheers Mike@@peterc2248
Very helpful! This is a better technique than I typically use- a set of dividers.
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for that. Yes it is also a bit more accurate. Cheers Mike
Hello Mike, great! to see a good wholesome talented New Zealander producing some excellent videos on RUclips. I'm getting geared up to make your extension leg for my sled. All the best for the new year. Jim Dean.👍
Hi Dean. Im pleased you enjoyed my videos. Much appreciated you watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
I have always wondered how the ticking stick was used. This is beyond brilliant. Thanks for putting up this video!
My pleasure. Pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks for taking the time to watch. Cheers Mike
Nice Job, Mike. Nice to see us old guys can still pass on knowledge that may have been lost in this age of CNC machines and laser cutters. I'd rather use the ticking stick. To me, it seems more like craftsmanship rather than programming.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Yes us older guys have great info to pass on. Cheers Mike
Mike, very nice comment about us old guys.
Sure is. The grey hair is a dead giveaway. Cheers Mike
Sure is. The grey hair is a dead giveaway. Cheers Mike
Here let me show you fine craftsmanship with just a stick! We do need need no ruler or tape measure! 90% of my automotive metal work is done this way! High precision with non calibrated stick every time!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes its surprising how accurate direct measuring can be. cheers Mike
So amazing! I had no idea watching this how it was going to work out! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
Worked like a charm. I have to admit I would have unbolted the vise and sat it on the plywood and marked it. But where you can not do that this looks like a great way.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes this was done to show the process. Cheers Mike
I figured that for sure. As a wood patternmaker we would need to make things fit against another surface. Most of the time we had a layout of both areas so it was easy enough. But I could see this working.
I've made covers for my shop tools like this. On the bottom surface in each corner of the cover I use a Forstner bit to make a flat recess, and epoxy in a small flat 6mm diameter neo magnet. These mags hold the cover in place, but make it really simple to remove.
Great tip! Thanks for watching. Cheers Mike
Very cool method. I think many would just grab a contour gauge nowadays, but this is a great alternative. Always nice to have multiple ways of doing things.
Also subscribed! Keep the content coming.
Thanks for that. Thanks for watching and commenting. The difference is that you can do the whole shape / area with this method. Have a look at the follow up video marking out an internal shape. Cheers Mike
Yes a fine old ship builders technique saved my bacon over the years👍
Love bacon. Cheers Mike
Thanks again!
Thanks for watching again. Cheers Mike
Great little tool with huge outcomes and brilliant explanation.Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching. Yes great tool. Cheers Mike
Ingenious. Love it for its simplicity.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Its a great process. Cheers Mike
An excellent video, well demonstrated, lots of useful tips. I will definitely try this method out soon. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching and I'm pleased you enjoyed it. Cheers Mike
Great little tool, love it 😊
Yes its simple and effective. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Cheers Mike
Definitely enjoyed it sir! Works like a charm.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Cheers Mike
Interesting, informative, educational. Well worth knowing. Pretty easy to make and easy to use. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
Thanks for taking the time to watch. Cheers Mike
Nice video about how to use a ticking stick. And I know it was merely to show how to make and use such a stick. However, in that situation, you equally could have slid the paper under the part and marked it so easily as well. But nice example of how to make and use such a device all the same... Thumbs Up!
Thanks for watching, commenting and making suggestions. Cheers Mike
The problem with your suggestion is that the vice would need to be loosened and lifted requiring retramming (alignment) of the vice to the table. Also, tick sticking works around immovable features.
Great video Mike, I’m a shipwright and I use tick sticks or a variety of often. I usually use thin ply for my templates and tack it in place with a small nail and never thought to use paper and tape. I’ll be stealing that one. Cheers
Thanks for the comment appreciate it. Great to hear from someone who uses in their profession. Cheers Mike
Excellent video thankyou for the tips
Thank for watching and commenting. Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers Mike
Wow never seen before. At first I was worried about the stick not being parallel and those off-beat markers when tracing the bottom straight section. This is amazing technique. Thanks for sharing. You also earned a subscriber 🙂
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Sime old school simple techniques are still great to use. Cheers Mike
Thanks you saved me the typing, I thought that can’t be very accurate right up until I saw it being reproduced. Then the light came on.
Just excellent !
Pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
Great idea
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See Jane drill did this I believe. Great tool!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
VERY impressive, as all simple ideas are. Brand new to this wood working kaper, so absorbing as may RUclips 'How To's' as I can find. The 'A-Ha' moment didn't click until you were transfering the marks on to the ply. Very handy trick, and thank's for passing that on 👍
Cheers
Pete' Hokitika.
Thanks Pete. Glad you enjoyed it. Have a look at the next one that extends the idea. Cheers Mike
Cheers Mike
I'll be looking at all your videos for ideas 😉@@mikesworkshopadventures
Thanks for that. Many more to come. Cheers Mike
👍👍👍.Thank you
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For edges where smooth curves stay within 0.25" of the board you're cutting when they're pressed together, I love the "Washer" technique. Just put down a washer and run your pencil along the inner edge while the washer follows the curve.
Glad to have found this for the bigger, trickier, irregular curves. Those are always such a pain, and the tolerance always winds up being a little off somewhere!!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Appreciate your suggestions. Cheers Mike
' the "Washer" technique' Note that this produces offsets. If you go up one side of a hill, it's -.25", and if you go down the other side it's +.25". So you've expanded the hill by a half inch, for example.
A ticking stick produces exact mapping to the tip of the stick.
A lot of places where using a washer is OK enough, but the ticking stick is useful basically everywhere you can think of using it, and it won't bite you with some distorting offset when you're tired and didn't happen to keep it in mind with the washer.
But even more importantly than general uses, curved ticking sticks can map inside enclosed and tight spaces that are very difficult to measure accurately using any other method.
Hi Thanks for watching. Using a compass to directly scribe the curve will not create a matching curve. Have a look at this video I have uploaded to demo why. Cheers Mike.
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@@mikesworkshopadventures 'Using a compass '
Hmmm didn't see anyone mention a compass.
Just in case you haven't tried one yet and are thinking a curved ticking stick somehow introduces a 'compass' effect, it does not.
A curved ticking stick merely creates a different X,Y offset from the notch to the tip, and allows the body of the stick to not be in line so the tip can reach around corners and behind objects. The X,Y offset is still only static and still reproduces the point locations exactly, they merely have a different offset to the notch.
Everyone even looking at ticking sticks should also make one that goes out straight and then bends 90 degrees, and then one that goes out straight, bends 90, and then bends either 45 or 90 again and comes back, and see how they both work for getting around intervening objects.
Slick, mate!
Appreciate the time and comment. Cheers Mike
Realize, a ticking stick is a DATA collection method. Where you put the tip of the stick, that location is then RECORDED onto the paper when you trace the edge notch. When you put the notch back there, the tip of the stick then REGENERATES the data point relative to the paper. It is very close to having a computer that can data collect where you put the tip of the stick, you're just recording it by hand onto the paper.
You can use multiple sticks with different notches, and using different color pens helps too. You can have many overlaid lines on the paper, and still regenerate all the points.
With sticks that curve back around, you can reach in and data collect the inside points behind something that you can't easily get to. Doing this you can plot the corners and edges of even irregular inside spaces. If you need a tight fitting shelf for inside a small closet or cabinet that you can't easily measure inside of, inside ticking sticks will let you make that tight fitting shelf in one pass. No more endless trial and error to make a shelf or liner fit where it's hard to get to.
Likely what the ticking stick was invented for, doing inside tight spaces that couldn't easily be accessed when building ships back in the age of wooden ships..
SeeJaneDrill also has a good intro video, and searching ticking stick inside shelf should get some videos on using them for that..
One of the more useful ideas there is, especially once you understand that it is data collection, and use it for anything you're doing that needs point data collection and recording.
Thanks for watching and your info. Cheers Mike
DDDDDddddddaaaaaaaammmmmmmm! This kind of thing is how the pyramids were made.
Oldie but a goodie. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
very interesting. But very long winded. I just use a compass with the pencil pulled up . I keep the orientation of the compass the same as I let the pointed leg trace while the pencil scribes. It works as long as you keep the orientation correct, which is usually 90 to part and then parallel to it's starting orientation after that. It works for something like you traced. I'll keep your info if I ever need it, I won't hesitate to use it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
Hi Thanks for watching. Using a compass to directly scribe the curve will not create a matching curve. Have a look at this video I have uploaded to demo why. Cheers Mike.
ruclips.net/video/Ft4_6hexJNM/видео.html
@@mikesworkshopadventures That is this video.. which I already watched. I understand what you are saying though, you are saying the radius will be larger, but I can easily bring it back by tracing back the compass size. or using a pointer that's that far away as a guide.
Make a stick that’s got multiple V notches in it so you can do your layout closer to the edge or further away
great suggestion. Cheers Mike
Add a couple of runners under the bottom to key it to the mill table
and voilà the cover stays neatly in place.
Thanks for watching and the suggestion. Cheers Mike
I've seen this before but haven't seen an advantage over just making a template by creasing a piece of paper down along the curve then cutting it out along the crease and transferring that pattern to the work piece.
Thanks for your info. Many ways to do the same thing. The ticking stick method is really good for small details also. Cheers Mike
Is there a way to increase scale by modifying the stick or does that require a pantograph?
You are the second one to ask this question. My suggestion would be to add 2 small saw cuts along side of tick stick. So for example if you want the new size to be 30mm bigger all round mark 2 cuts 30mm apart. When taking down the original shape use the first cut (put a mark out of it) then when you transfer to your final shape use the second saw cut there by increasing the size of you object by 30mm. You could do it in reverse if you want to reduce the size. Hope this helps. Cheers Mike
@@mikesworkshopadventures Bonus!
Didn't Ken Dodd have one of these often wondered what he did with it
Thanks for watching. Cheers Mike
Another shipwright here, trouble is that they always get lost, I use an old credit card and keep it in my wallet. Makes for clean accurate lines.
Like most tools. Always looking for them. Cheers Mike
Wow so many negative comments on what was some good information. Maybe you dont have a compass or a washer and need a way to do a fine measurement. Rather than being a critic (see asshat), appreciate that someone was willing to take the time to offer you some information that you may not have known. And if you don't like how he explained it and think you could do better make your own damn videos and don't knock others.
Thanks for a well explained and helpful piece of information. I had never heard of tick sticks before this and can think of a number of times that I could have used one to make a better easier fit. As a question about the process, can/could you just put the markings directly onto the material itself if you have the room? Granted you'd have to sand it off afterwards if it was something you needed clean but it seems like it would remove a step or two.
Thanks again for the video.
Thanks for watching and the positive feed back. You cant mark directly as the piece you will eventually cut needs to be larger so wont fit in orginal shape. Cheers Mike
Jeez what a long winded way to make a scribe!
Lay the ply on the ways and scribe round where the fit is required using a compass!
Hi Thanks for watching. Using a compass to directly scribe the curve will not create a matching curve. Have a look at this video I have uploaded to demo why. Cheers Mike.
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Thanks for that. Wrong link. Yes your assumption was correct. New link
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Looks like a compass would be a lot easier.
Thanks for watching. Cheers Mike
Hi Thanks for watching. Using a compass to directly scribe the curve will not create a matching curve. Have a look at this video I have uploaded to demo why. Cheers Mike.
ruclips.net/video/Ft4_6hexJNM/видео.html
CLEAN YOUR CUTOFFS EVERY CUT ! AND SHUT THE SAW OFF WHEN YOU ARE DONE!!!!
Thanks for watching. Cheers Mike
OK a tickingstick is an Irish idea of a ruler
Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers Mike
Great tip but why do ppl call it a "ticking" stick? It's a Tick stick!
I Thanks for watching. Yes I think (myself included) have taken on the term ticking stick instead tick stick
If he doesn’t keep REPEATING HIMSELF, this woulda been a two Minute video!!!
Thanks for watching.
5 minutes of very good info but the rest is just blah blah blah. Get an editor to review befor posting.
Thanks for watching.
Any old strip of wood with a pencil mark is just as good. Hugely overrated
Thanks for watching. Cheers Mike
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wow how confusing
Oh dear thats not the purpose of this video. Cheers Mike
Why not use a washer with a pencil in the hole? It will follow the edge perfectly and only take a few seconds to accomplish.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and subscribe also for the suggestion. The washer trick is great but produces a larger curve on the final cut curve. The ticking stick system also can do complete layout from 1 setup which the washer method can not. See my next video about fitting an internal shape. Cheers Mike
@@mikesworkshopadventures Thanks for the information.
Hi Thanks for watching. Using a compass to directly scribe the curve will not create a matching curve. Have a look at this video I have uploaded to demo why. Cheers Mike.
ruclips.net/video/Ft4_6hexJNM/видео.html