For a taste of what Japan were doing with the genre, I can totally recommend Chu Ishikawa’s score for the film ‘Tetsuo: Iron Man’, which you can find right here on YT in its entirety.
S.P.K. - Leichenschrei If you're reading this and want to get into Industrial music, do not sleep on this record. I would absolutely list this album as my number 1 Industrial album (or even Information Overload Unit). It is a quintessential Industrial record that opened my eyes to what this music was capable of, and helped me understand what groups like Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire were doing back when I first discovered the genre. An absolutely frantic, chaotic ride that gradually spirals out of control as the album progresses. Pure sonic mayhem. Not only one of the best Industrial albums, but one of the very best experimental/avant-garde records ever made.
It's a pretty good and iconic album though imho the first half is comparatively dull for it's the second half which is the great stuff; the last 5-6 tracks building to an amazing climax. My fave collection of "SPK" though is the "Auto Da Fe" collection which with the first 5 tracks has the original line-up making awesome electro punk industrial noise rock tracks like 'Contact', 'Mekano', 'Slogun', 'Germanik' ... Stuff from 1979-80 which was so influential on so many artists that came after.
A reminder that Industrial is much more than "bro it sounds like they're playing with machines" , the core idea is provoking the listener using ugly, most of the time electronic noise. It's supposed to represent the alienation, decay, etc. that results from technology and neoliberalism with that said SPK and Test Dpt. are then essential Industrial bands
I would agree, but would also add a few releases in the genre that may be a bit more obscure but IMHO just as important: Hunting Lodge's "Will" and PGR's "The Chemical Bride", as well as ANYTHING by Esplendor Geometrico.
I remember when “Industrial” was experimental music such as Psychic TV, Coil, Chris and Cosey, Foetus, Severed Heads, Throbbing Gristle, Einsturzende Neubauten, etc. It wasn’t the “techno metal” we know today. Thanks for teaching the youngsters what Industrial really is and where it started. I appreciate your descriptions of the songs. Nice work.
Glad you included Skinny Puppy. Nivek Ogre is one of the oddest profound lyricists I've ever heard. Also the music is almost supernatural at its essence.
Great that you've included EN! Einstürzende Neubauten's name essentially comes from Blixa Bargeld's childhood experiences of post-war Germany. He was in a newly-built cinema when everyone had to clear out due to rain pouring through the roof. These new buildings were so hastily and cheaply constructed that a lot of them fell down again. Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft's name was also inspired by growing up in Germany in the 50's and 60's.
I think it's also worth mentioning some of Laibach's work, if nothing else for their introduction of martial elements to the industrial scene and heavy influence on Rammstein and other bands of the Neue Deutsche Härte. If I had to pick just one album I think I would go with Nova Akropola, but even their later albums have their moments, like "We Are Millions And Millions Are One" off of SPECTRE. I also have to do my duty as a King Crimson cultist and throw in a mention for their industrial metal period: THRAK and The ConstruKtion of Light may be just as divisive among progressive music fans as they are among industrial music fans, but as someone who loves both genres I think they're great.
Too Dark Park is one of my all time favourite albums. It evokes creeping crawling chaos and dread, polluted lakes of toxic fizz and a pitiless cosmic abyss. Shores of Pluto ........All Experiments’ proof not needed...Kiss the Masters Feet.. great stuff !
kind of the height of their popularity.. saw that tour in LA, along with a looot of other people.. never seen so many black leather jackets in one place... they really sucked then but hilt "call the ambulance" helped
I was taking a college photography class when Too Dark Park came out. The student lab assistant would play it in the dark room lol. A few of us liked it, but even for most art students back then Skinny Puppy in the dark was a bit much.
Matan Meir It's funny how with the reissue Hole in the Heart has become their best-known record when, back when I got into them in the late '00s, that cassette was *impossible* to find and you were more likely to hear people talking about Be Careful What You Wish For, Blowhole or Homeless, only the first of which I think is available on any kind of streaming... assuming they were talking about Ramleh at all, as they were really obscure. Either way, wonderfully creepy band.
@Obscure Sounds of the Dead Internet please make it clear that Life is Life is a harmonious work of glory, while Leben ist Leben is a noisy stomp of anarchy... I picked the wrong one on a Czech jukebox, and it cleared the bar!
Skinny Puppy is THE BAND that made me listen to industrial music. Because prior to them I listened only to Rammstein and Oomph! And well as much as you consider Depeche Mode industrial, you might include them too. But after Skinny Puppy and Suicide Commando I got really deep into industrial and post-industrial music.
I really do think Coil was the best original Industrial act, because they presented many forms of creating this apocalyptic and difficult landscape, fusing elements of African and Asian music, Darkwave, Acid House, the classic Musique Concréte sampling, ambient and glitch. I think C93 would be a more adequate pick for maybe a neofolk video, especially presenting their less orthodox side.
I encourage all to check out Severed Heads' 80's works such as "Since the Accident" and "Come Visit (The Big Bigot)" albums. SH was a big influence on Skinny Puppy and others, and they toured with and performed on early SP records like Bites. My faves include... LAIBACH "Nova Acropola" MY LIFE WITH THE THRILL KILL KULT "Confessions of a Knife" CHROME "Red Exposure" MANUFACTURE "Terrorvision" NITZER EBB "Belief" FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY "Caustic Grip" CABARET VOLTAIRE "Red Mecca" FRONT 242 "Front By Front"
And yes also for Laibach, ought to be in an industrial 5 or 10 albums - hard to choose one album though as they are quite distinct - perhaps "Nova Akropola" although tracks on the following "Opus Dei" set a template for acts like Rammstein 10 years later - though I also particularly love the even bleaker "Laibach" album and even moreso the related set on "Rekapitulacija 1980-84" a collection which features their earliest, bleakest and most industrial music. Great to see Manufacture's debut album mentioned there also; often overlooked.
What gets me triggered when metalheads, listeners and musicians talk about industrial meaning industrial metal, but skipping word "metal". I mean Industrial and Industrial metal are pretty different styles.
It is pretty funny. Most of the guys into metal have probably only heard Psalm 69 , The Downward Spiral or some ghastly Fear Factory record, and read in Karrang that this is industrial, even when both Al Jorgensen and Trent Reznor have said it isn't. Slabbing on a gabber drum loop and adding a Slayer riff is about as industrial as Blink 182 remix.
@@RootEight LMAO- 'Orgy is an a Industrial band.' The funny things you read on the internet. Orgy is a pop band, and a poor Depeche Mode rip off imvho. Quite what you'd make of NON/Boyd Rice, Nurse with Wounds or SPK would be amusing to note.
@@RootEight You really are a funny guy.....Sehnsuch is Arena rock! I mean I dunno if you can 'sing' along with 'Five Knuckle Shuffle', 'What a Day' or 'Hit by a Rock' but really, do yourself a favor and go and listen to Twenty Great Jazz Funk Hits and come back to us. Even Till Lindeman doesn't think they are industrial.....
Great video. Early industrial is VERY difficult to look back on since listeners tend to fall into camps, then follow their bands back leaving them with a skewed perspective. I myself come from the Ministry camp. Land of Rape and Honey honestly changed my life. A friend of mine has an incredibly similar background found Skinny Puppy first and well it's easy to see how our tastes have diverged from there. I applaud you for living Minie Inch Nails out of this video. I am a big Nine Inch Nails as well, and following their progression and sometimes separation from the 'Industrial scene' could definitely be a distraction from your goal of examining the roots of Industrial music. Keep up the great work.
Deep cuts, I think doing a video concerning the remembrance and exhultation of controversial artists would be really interesting - Industrial as a genre, in my mind, is the most pertinent area to examine. For example, Boyd Rice, operating under the moniker NON, is a venerable innovator in the genre (just listen to his early tape-loop experiments) and has a rich and abrasive discography. Yet, he holds views and maintains associations that, to put it nicely, are pretty unsavoury - in light of this I can enjoy his work yet never become fully invested in it, like with so many other artists in this genre. A video discussing this would be great!
The thing about the term "industrial" is that, like punk, it can refer to a truly broad variety of music with varying degrees of digestibility, such that one style will sound almost nothing like another under this same umbrella term. In the same way that Dillinger Escape Plan sounds nothing like Suicide, so Nine Inch Nails sounds nothing like Throbbing Gristle, and that's ok. Genre branches extend with limbs very different from their roots
The problem is that the term was hi-jacked by the music industry and by some Cock rockers like NIN. Suicide was some kind of Disco-Punk. They don't belong in the industrial context. Industrial is a small genre. The only related genres are Japanoise and Power Electronics (Whitehouse). And maybe Ritual music and Martial Industrial. Everything else is a bunch of Crossover spin-offs that are far away from the Industrial Culture movement.
@Broken Archetype What else should it be? Even Skinny Puppy called NIN a cock rock band. cEvin Key and Bill Leeb made fun of Reznor, because he tried to steal Ogre's visual appearance and attitude.
@@retrosonique7129 I love Skinny Puppy, but they can certainly be ill-informed about what constitutes cock rock, in much the same way that you are ill-informed about their influence on Trent. If anything, it is more sonic than aesthetic. Reznor never had the horror/psychedelic/ performance art thing going on like SP did, he never made fashion choices similar to Nivek and the gang that weren't already being done by countless other acts of the era, and his whole vibe has always been quite different and more varied for the most part.
@@BR0K3NARCH3TYP3 I'm not ill-informed because I inform you about the content of several Skinny Puppy interviews and Interviews with FLA. Nobody liked Reznor. FLA, S.P. or KMFDM... they all thought the same.
I love it that Too Dark Park is on this short list. A true masterpiece that even people who don't like this kind of music would appreciate. It's an uncomfortable experience and at times confusing when it slowly pulls you in and then punches you in the mouth. This album doesn't give a fuck. It was peak Skinny Puppy. One thing that I will point out to Oliver is that while he rightfully credits Cevin Key as a main contributor to the band's sound, the true mastermind was actually DR Goettel who created Skinny Puppy's apocalyptic and at times claustrophobic atmosphere. RIP Dwayne. If anyone reading this interested in other works by DR Goettel, check out his side project called Doubting Thomas.
Some other albums that I think are worth mentioning: KMFDM - "Nihil" Revolting Cocks - "Steers Beers + Queers" Celldweller - "S/T" Coil - "Horse Rotorvator" Foetus - "Nail" Great video as always! All great picks 😊
Great list ! I'd add Chance Meeting on a Dissecting Table of a Sewing Machine and an Umbrella by Nurse with Wound. The Unacceptable Face of Freedom by Test Dept, God and Beast by NON and Cop and Filth by Swans. Orgy and Marylin Manson......not so much
Horse Rotorvator would have been my guess. But also Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel-Nail would have been one of my choices too. I think a future episode about Coil, Nurse With Wound, Current 93, J.G.Thirlwell, Swans, Laibach, but there is so much to be discussed on the topic. It would have been hard choosing just 5 albums.
I personally would love an album guide for Musiqué Concreté if you can. It’s such an interesting style of music and I find it kind of hard to approach it from an album standpoint.
“Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse” will always be my favourite Skinny Puppy album, though I will definitely be giving “Too Dark Park” a listen tonight. I had no idea about the abuse that Cosi suffered at the hands of Genesis. Very sad. And, it’s got to be “Twitch” for my Ministry pick. Over the Shoulder blew me away the first time I saw the video on MuchMusic here in Canada.
Great list and great descriptions from a genre of music that saw me through my teenage & early adolescent years, and that I still enjoy today. I was blessed to see Einstürzende Neubauten live in Chicago during their last US tour in 98', one of the greatest concerts I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. The jet engine on stage reverberated through the room with such deep purring ferocity that my feet vibrated up off the floor like hydroplaning on a rain slicked street. . Unforgettable. Re-sharing this vid, thanks
Glad to hear discussion of Neubauten - it's absolutely worth it to read the translations of their lyrics (which are side-by-side in an easy-to -read way on their website). Blixa uses the meaning of the words as textures, just as he does with his screams & other vocalizations.
a great subject for '5 Albums to Get You Into...' I thought instead of coming up with an alternate list, I'd mention 2 compilations that led me to explore the albums of Legendary Pink Dots, Lustmord, Coil, Nurse With Wound and many others: 1. Rising From the Red Sand originally released on 5 cassettes in 1983, includes a track by Merzbow, as well as a personal favorite, Bene Gesserit. 2. the Elephant Table Album released on vinyl in 1983, my intro to the Pink Dots, Nurse With Wound, Muslimgauze...etc. I also think it's worth mentioning the band Fad Gadget, as I think Frank Tovey's DIY synth building and industrial noise aesthetic were of the same time as the seminal TG and the Cabs. speaking of Cabaret Voltaire: all the albums when they were a 3 piece (with Chris Watson adding some unique tape weirdness), are gold imo. I particularly love Voice of America, Three Mantras, and Eight Crepescule Tracks. I saw Einstürzende Neubauten in LA in 1989 after the release of Haus der Lüge. phenomenal show!
Einstürzende Neubauten is my favourite band and Halber Mensch is my favourite album they recorded - probably my favourite album of all time. It's hard to explain how much it shaped me and my music taste. Life is never the same once you heard Neubauten.
Yes, some of the older Front Line Assembly songs are very close to EBM, especially *"Lethal Compound"* with its bass sequences. Another one is *"Sedation"* from Gashed Senses and Crossfire.
My favourite album of all time, couldn't stand the Clocks before that, always thought they were jazzy crap! but blood hell, not a filler track on that album, from Buried Dreams all the way through to Hacker! Love Velvet Realm and Soul Mirror
Thanks again for your insight into this often overlooked genre. I'm a massive Skinny Puppy fan but sometimes I think penning them into the industrial genre sells them short. Another comment on here described their almost supernatural vibes. These vibes, along with their atmospheric use of some of the most thought provoking and mind bending samples from popular horror and sci fi film and TV culture, often carries them into the realms of hauntology. Often imitated but never bettered. All hail Skinny Puppy!
A little disappointed no mention of Foetus, not even in the more albums playlist. I feel J.G. Thirlwell is another important figure in industrial music that's worth at least a mention.
Hey Oliver! Hope you're doing very well during the pandemic so far. I'm looking forward to see your second video on the Miles Davis discography. I love these album recommending albums as well.
This has fastly become my favorite channel. You just have this really refined and knowledgeable approach to music that is otherwise easily sloughed off as unapproachable (that really shouldn't be!). U rock bud
Some other greats to look out for "Horse Rotorvator"by Coil, "Nail" by Scraping Foetus off the Wheel, Drawings of OT by Einsturzende Neubauten, "TV Sky" by The Young Gods, "The Menstral Years" by Current 93, "Loves Secret Domain" by Coil, "Sugar Fish Drink" by Nurse With Wound and "Songs of Byzantine Flowers" by SPK, just for starters. Have fun with that!
@@drackaris_ The five choices covered so much. It was very carefully selected, it took a vast range in. Certainly there is enough for a part 2 with Coil, JG Thirlwell etc. What else is there to do in Lockdown? When you have all the time, why wouldn't he?
Your videos are fantastic and I really like your casual classroom style of instruction. As a person who bought the original Industrial Records issue of 20 Jazz Funk Greats when it first came out in 1979, you are right for including this on your list. That one initial listening experience has influenced my daily listening ever since. You touched on some great works on your list, but please consider Cabaret Voltaire pre-dated TG, and so should have been included. "Nag, Nag, Nag" and "Seconds Too Late" are industrial classics. And the influence of other '80s industrial pioneers like Test Dept., Front Line Assembly, and Laibach should not be understated, and Chris and Cosey's works outside of TG are also fantastic. Keep up the great work and I'd love to hear your take on darkwave, musique concrete, Japanese harsh noise and other genres that matter.
I always thought I was an edgy little shit with my Pretty Hate Machine cassette but then I looked up the stuff you're talking about and realized I had no idea what intense was. Great video!
Pretty Hate Machine, as good as it is, was the album that "broke" industrial music, and in relatively short time it burned hot then turned to shite, imo.
larraby you’re clearly stuck in the past. Industrial is an incredibly flexible and broad genre. NIN? Death Grips? Street Sects? Pharmakon? Lingua Ignota? There’s some amazing industrial music being created these days. You need listen to more new music.
@@gigachad192 its more a case of outgrowing it. what about life suggests that its natural state is monitoring recorded audio? i've done more synthesis than all these artists combined. people don't make recordings that interest me, because my work supercedes them. plus, the region of attention, is juvenile in these modern pop artists. there is so much about music people aren't ready to appreciate when they're young, like, the money, and, the masons. and, the demons.
Re: Einstürzende Neubauten - their cover of Lee Hazelwood's 'Sand', from around the time of Halber Mensch, is well worth hunting down and listening to. Also, Industrial, and related music worth a listen; Test Dept. - Beating the Retreat Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel - Nail
Some pronunciation tips: I-Nsturzende NOIbowten (like OI!), BLIXa BARgelt (emphasis on the CAPS) Also: "Neubauten" was a term to call buildings built after WW II. So in a sense, the band is commenting on the "haste" of the new West-Germany to "build over" the memory of the recent past, while leaving most people who had served in government during the Nazi regime to keep running it. See some Dave Emory's hundreds of podcasts for details... Building dating back from before the end of the war, were dubbed "Altbauten".
Great choices. This is my "comfortable" genre, I grew up with these artists and although I rarely go to concerts I've seen EN and Young Gods live. With EN it was their Haus der luege period but they did perform Yu-gung. With Young Gods it was the tour to support L'eau Rouge. Great artists and great albums.
my first industrial albums back in the late 90s when i was a teen was Ministry's psalm 69, Skinny Puppy's Process, KMFDM's Angst, and Velvet Acid Christ' Fun With Knives
Having lived through the early emergence of Industrial music, I was struck by what seemed an almost palpable demarcation between those who genuinely enjoyed the music and those who merely wanted to be part of the scene. It was the equivalent to Punk Rock posers, who stood out like clowns amongst some genuinely esoteric people. I've always gravitated towards the raw styles of Industrial music, which is often as strong as classical music compositions. I think your choice of albums is quite good. Nevertheless, I probably would have selected one of Skinny Puppy's earlier albums. Mind The Perpetual Intercourse comes to mind.
Skinny Puppy made me buy synthesizers, Kraftwerk made me buy a vocoder, TG made me use gear it wasn't intended. At a Skinny Puppy show bought Puppy Gristle (Genesis P. Orridge & Skinny Puppy). At a different show also in Amsterdam one year later I met Ogre, very nice guy. The list is very good yet my fav SP albums are Cleanse Fold & Manipulate and Last Rights. Dwayne Goettel made SP more layered and deeper sounding, fan since 1988.
Yeah SP changed my life. Everyone has that one band that really defined them as a person in the formative years and SP did that for me. I can't say I'm a fan of anything after The Process really. I wish they'd left it there after Dwayne died. TGWOTR was ok but everything that came after sounds like an OHGR album remixed by Download. And they should have acknowledged that and released those albums under a different name. Sigh.
Finally Oliver talks about Industrial!!!! Well, an introduction with 5 great innovative bands at their time. I think bands like Front 242, Chris & Cosey, Nitzer Ebb, KMFDM, Cabaret Voltaire, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, ohGr, Die Krupps, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Portion Control, Clock DVA, A Split-Second, Doubting Thomas, Excessive Force, Revolting Cocks, Mussolini Headkick, Foetus, Wiseblood, Controlled Bleeding, Test Dept., Greater Than One, Lean Into Gold, Pankow, Pig, Pigface, Suicide Commando, Sister Machine Gun, Machines Of Loving Grace, etc, etc... are other interesting bands to get into.
a lot of good suggestions here, from the UK side of things there were a lot of small bands in the early 90's that were really pushing the sound, Drill, Oil Seed Rape, Juddah (lead singer guy with red dreads used to sell tshirts in Kensington Market I think), Leechwoman, very early Pitchshifter (before JS Clayden's voice miraculiously turned all US glam rock) not to forget our friends accross the pond Treponem Pal, Schnitt Acht, Young Gods is a good shout, Testify, the list goes on, but for me coming into it in the early 90's, Ministry's "Land of Rape & Honey" or "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" and Puppy's "Ain't it dead yet?" is what got me hooked on the sound, I understand the importance of the earlier pioneers - TG, Coil etc, but I can't listen to those albums, it's just experimental noise to my ears, granted that's what the genre started out as, but you can't fault those that took that influence and made it more accessable to the wider audience.
If you love Halber Mensch you have to check out the corresponding video they shot in an abandoned building in Japan of the same name. Recorded it there too perhaps the way it synchs up. Really great to see the manic percussion created by FM Einheit, or the assorted devices assembled by NU Unruh.. Love Too Dark Park but also want to suggest Last Rights. I feel it is intriguing in different ways as they layer in so many diverse sonic elements. Generally didn't take to Land of Rape and Honey as much as I hoped. Much prefer the Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. Anyways, great stuff for both new fans and also to create discussion.
There are so many great proto-Industrial / Industrial groups that it is really hard to distill things down to just 5 albums. For the early days [late 70's to early 80's] groups like Throbbing Gristle, Cabre Voltaire, Die Krupps, Non, Wire, Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Monte Cazzazza were very influential (building on groups like Kraftwerk and Walter/Wendy Carlo's/Devo's experimental keyboard exercursions in the early to mid 70's). However, starting around 1983 and for a decade through 1993, there was the real explosion in the Industrial genre onto the world stage, where there were dozens and dozens of interesting bands collaborating, starting new labels, touring together, and inspiring generations to come. It continued on into the mid 90s when it got more mainstream, but kind of loss momentum in the early 2000s. Here are some bands that stick out from my formative years during that time in the 80's & 90's and I'll just list them alphabetically as it is hard to rank them all:
A Split Second, Accessory, Ajax, Android Lust, Armaggedon Dildos, Assemblage 23, Battery, Bigod 20, Block 57, Blue Eyed Christ, Cabre Voltaire, Cassandra Complex, Cat Rapes Dog, Celldweller, Chemlab, Controlled Bleeding, C-tec, Cyberaktif, Deathline International, Die Krupps, Digital Poodle, Dive, Doubting Thomas, Download, Einstürzende Neubauten ,Excessive Force, Force Dimension, Front 242, Front Line Assembly, Greater Than One, Index, Insekt, Intermix, Klute, KMFDM, Kode IV, Laibach, Leather Strip, Machines of Loving Grace, Mindfield, Ministry, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Nine Inch Nails, Nitzer Ebb, Numb, Of Skin & Saliva, Oomph!, Out Out, Pain Emission, Pankow, Rammstein, Revolting Cocks, Schnitt Acht, Sister Machine Gun, Skinny Puppy, The Overlords, Throbbing Gristle and Young Gods.
So glad you covered too dark park. I was obsessed with that album when it came out. I'd lock myself in my room for hours trying to understand what I was listening to. Such a monumental album. What hell would sound like if it was curiously awesome!
Great to have you back, Oliver. EN's Strategies Against Architecture was on heavy rotation in my teens and the other bands mentioned brought back memories. Thanks.
Yo Oliver I was wondering if at some point you could do a Deep Cuts essential on Comus - First Utterance. It’s an excellent freak/prog folk album from the 70s that is criminally underrated and is honestly one of the best albums from the 70s in general. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Yes. And just on innovation alone. One of the first bands to have a internet message board, a website, sell compressed audio formats (mpeg 2 files on severything), Be a small indie band to create a cd rom, sell mp3s on a website, expand live performance to include real time video mixing etc). On top of that I continue to marvel at the level of sound layering on Severed Heads records. Wholly original and vastly underrated experimental electronic music act.
A Guide to THE MOUNTAIN GOATS would be an incredible video, the discography is huge and the growth and change throughout that discography would be worth dissecting
I only check your videos once in a while, but goddamn are they full of new music for my ears. Can't stop listening to Throbbing Gristle now. Thanks, boi!
Wow -- I proved to be well familiar with 2, 3 and 5... Not bad))) Thanks for the awesome video. And your speech habits are purely amazing -- rarely does one come across a Brit who pronounces everything so flawlessly. My hat's off
Yeah, industrial music is hard genre to pin down, it's very open ended. I personally would have added Godflesh. Early Swans is indicative of that early meshing of Metal and Industrial too. But, yes difficult to pick only five.
I got Too Dark Park in maybe early 92 (first year in university) when I was starting to expand my tastes beyond thrash and speed metal. I honestly couldn't figure out what I was hearing and felt claustrophobic. Later on that year, I saw their Spasmolytic EP used for like 3 bucks and figured that was worth a shot to give them a second try. *That* got me into them. By digesting that slightly more accessible material, Too Dark Park later made much more sense to me. And, as one should do in university, I then got into my big Skinny Puppy phase of music listening, which included tracking down all the side projects like Hilt and Tear Garden. Incidentally, Hilt's Journey To the Center of the Bowl is one of the greatest forgotten albums in history, with an amazing mix of industrial meets psychedelics. I've had a copy for nearly 30 years and still am amazed with what they did on it.
Can't argue with any of this. Definitely would have had a side branch with Coil, Current 93 and SPK though. Anyone else here had their mind blown by Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds' guitarist's other band in the early 90s?
Neubauten at the Old Greek Theatre (Melbourne, Australia) in 1990 as a 17 year old kid... mind blown, reconstructed and never the same again for the rest of my existence.
I'd like to recommend the excellent Trepaneringsritualen. It's mote accurately defined as death industrial, or on the latest album, dark ambient. Their 2017 Kainskult is stunningly good.
Finally......I used to tell people that industrial included music that used actual industrial sounds or samples to create music. Everyone I grew up insisted that industrial was more of an almost interchangeable term for bands that crossed over between new wave and ebm. You are the first person I've ever come across to mention the first type as industrial aside from those early college radio dj where I first heard it played.
To me, industrial is like indie; an aesthetic and attitude more than a genre. Throbbing gristle personify this as it was a major collaboration of the majorly controversial and experimental in genesis p orridge and the electronics nerd who listens to Abba in Chris Carter! Such opposites attract, or rather are mediated by cosey and sleazy.
Industrial music is pure inspiration and I've loved it since a kid. As you pointed out, first-wave industrial is very different and not what people expect, but it lays the roots down. My favorite two first-wave industrial groups are Clock DVA and 23 Skidoo, but NON, Cabaret Voltaire, and Nurse With Wound are in my top 5. My favorite first-wave industrial albums are Leichenschrei by SPK, Thirst by Clock DVA, Deep Floor by Clock DVA, and Stahlmusik by Einstürzende Neubauten. I never got much into industrial metal later, but was always drawn to the industrial aesthetic of Nine Inch Nails, Foetus, Chrome, Six Finger Satellite, and Ministry. And when I want to dance, I'm partial more to EBM/electro-industrial sounds of Nitzer Ebb, Portion Control, Recoil, A Split Second, and Depeche Mode. And for pure mind-expanding ambience, you simply must listen to Zoviet France, The Anti-Group, Stratum Terror, Sleep Research Laboratories, Lab Report, Lustmord, and Throbbing Gristle. The world of industrial is expansive and influential, and I hope you do more videos on the genre and subgenres. Thanks for the informative video!
Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen may there be granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will absorption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve the labour and heroism of incarnation on this planet or another, or in any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the accomplishment of their wills; yea, the accomplishment of their wills. AUMGN. AUMGN. AUMGN.
This is the first video of yours I've seen so I don't know what your relationship to industrial music is, but as someone whose life was basically changed by Too Dark Park, it was wonderful hearing what you got out of it. Really enjoyed this video.
Plus their live show is unlike anything I've ever experienced: having your entire field of vision whited out by fog, strobes pulsing in and out, manic screaming from Leo who will just appear out of nowhere right in your face. They're a treasure alone on that front.
SP- Mind the Perpetual Intercourse would have been my SP introductory album, though Too Dark Park was good! And I had the pleasure of seeing Ministry The Land of Rape and Honey Tour back in 1988! It was at Mississippi Nights in downtown St. Louis. Damn, what a show! Nevik Ogre came on stage for the last song which was a RevCo song No Devotion! Ahhh, those were the days! Thanks for your suggestions!
Halber Mensch is a very interesting song if you look at the translated lyrics (full lyrics can be found on lyrictranslate site). The meaning is up for interpretation but they're speaking to this "half man/human" (Halber Mensch) telling him "We trigger your senses, we've placed truths for you, so the second half will never meet" and one of my favorite lines- "He who is in part has nothing to impart." It builds to this crescendo of "Nothing for me, nothing for you, the Reaper stands there, keep going, keep going, keep going, go no further." Finally, Blixa gets his eulogy at the end. It is translated to "You formless clay- On which life's spirits suck the last remaining sparks, they fly away drunk, reeling and swaying. Dancing futile in the sun, you have no worth. They finish you off- A view made for the Gods, the Reaper sends his kind regards." The chanting at this point is something like "Sickle not to be" and the final word spoken is "Decay/rot," as in the verb. Love Bargeld's lyricism, even if some of the subtleties are lost in translation
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Now that we're all into industrial music, you've gotta get us into that industrial-strength hair gel you use to keep looking so fresh all the time.
I love and miss you Raul
I don’t even like industrial music, I’m just here for the hair
@@ravanaRTT I'm just here for Oliver
Gimme some of that hair gel so my hair can look like Bill Leeb's
Some more:
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Coil - Horse Rotovator
Nurse With Wound - Soliloquoy For Lilth (for drone fans)
Foetus - Nail
Streetcleaner is an absolute Juggernaut of an Album
GODFLESH!
"We won't be talking about Coil"
Now this, this feels bad :(
He'll have to make up for it by doing that Coil artist guide we've been asking for for years ;)
Coil deserves a whole another video!
Coil is post industrial.
Coil deserves a artist guide!!!
When i enter i was expecting musick to play on the dark vol 1 lol
For a taste of what Japan were doing with the genre, I can totally recommend Chu Ishikawa’s score for the film ‘Tetsuo: Iron Man’, which you can find right here on YT in its entirety.
Good call also, Dissecting Table, Der Eisenrost and Merzbow, or are they Noise/PE? there's the rub!
@@PolarRed Merzbow is Noise I believe
S.P.K. - Leichenschrei
If you're reading this and want to get into Industrial music, do not sleep on this record. I would absolutely list this album as my number 1 Industrial album (or even Information Overload Unit). It is a quintessential Industrial record that opened my eyes to what this music was capable of, and helped me understand what groups like Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire were doing back when I first discovered the genre.
An absolutely frantic, chaotic ride that gradually spirals out of control as the album progresses. Pure sonic mayhem. Not only one of the best Industrial albums, but one of the very best experimental/avant-garde records ever made.
I was looking for someone to mention this album. Definitely a classic in the genre. This one makes an apocalyptic vision of Earth very well.
Shevek I might be misremembering this, but I think he discussed or at least touched on Leichenschrei in his video on power electronics?
I’d actually say System Overload Unit over Leichenschrei
Shevek, Thanks for the recommendation.
It's a pretty good and iconic album though imho the first half is comparatively dull for it's the second half which is the great stuff; the last 5-6 tracks building to an amazing climax. My fave collection of "SPK" though is the "Auto Da Fe" collection which with the first 5 tracks has the original line-up making awesome electro punk industrial noise rock tracks like 'Contact', 'Mekano', 'Slogun', 'Germanik' ... Stuff from 1979-80 which was so influential on so many artists that came after.
A reminder that Industrial is much more than "bro it sounds like they're playing with machines" , the core idea is provoking the listener using ugly, most of the time electronic noise. It's supposed to represent the alienation, decay, etc. that results from technology and neoliberalism
with that said SPK and Test Dpt. are then essential Industrial bands
100% correct
if so, Merzbow would actually fall to the industrial category
Delta Vox not really. Industrial is more nuanced than noise.
@@gigachad192 though it stems back to the origins of power electronics which is industrial music
I would agree, but would also add a few releases in the genre that may be a bit more obscure but IMHO just as important: Hunting Lodge's "Will" and PGR's "The Chemical Bride", as well as ANYTHING by Esplendor Geometrico.
I remember when “Industrial” was experimental music such as Psychic TV, Coil, Chris and Cosey, Foetus, Severed Heads, Throbbing Gristle, Einsturzende Neubauten, etc. It wasn’t the “techno metal” we know today.
Thanks for teaching the youngsters what Industrial really is and where it started. I appreciate your descriptions of the songs. Nice work.
Glad you included Skinny Puppy. Nivek Ogre is one of the oddest profound lyricists I've ever heard. Also the music is almost supernatural at its essence.
Maybe too metal for this list but my favorite industrial record is Godflesh’s Streetcleaner
I agree, fantastic record.
Came here to type this.
It's definitely industrial, but that album could filed under alot of things
That record is hard as hell. I believe that would be the standard bearer for industrial metal in my mind.
Classic
Great that you've included EN! Einstürzende Neubauten's name essentially comes from Blixa Bargeld's childhood experiences of post-war Germany. He was in a newly-built cinema when everyone had to clear out due to rain pouring through the roof. These new buildings were so hastily and cheaply constructed that a lot of them fell down again. Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft's name was also inspired by growing up in Germany in the 50's and 60's.
Here are my recommendations:
1) Einstürzende Neubauten - Kollaps
2) Throbbing Gristle - 3rd Annual Report
3) RevCo - Beers Steers & Queers
4) Godflesh - Streetcleaner
5) Cabaret Voltaire - Mix Up
Delta Vox I would replace Mix- Up with Red Mecca or The Voice of America.
I think it's also worth mentioning some of Laibach's work, if nothing else for their introduction of martial elements to the industrial scene and heavy influence on Rammstein and other bands of the Neue Deutsche Härte. If I had to pick just one album I think I would go with Nova Akropola, but even their later albums have their moments, like "We Are Millions And Millions Are One" off of SPECTRE.
I also have to do my duty as a King Crimson cultist and throw in a mention for their industrial metal period: THRAK and The ConstruKtion of Light may be just as divisive among progressive music fans as they are among industrial music fans, but as someone who loves both genres I think they're great.
Too Dark Park is one of my all time favourite albums. It evokes creeping crawling chaos and dread, polluted lakes of toxic fizz and a pitiless cosmic abyss. Shores of Pluto ........All Experiments’ proof not needed...Kiss the Masters Feet.. great stuff !
kind of the height of their popularity.. saw that tour in LA, along with a looot of other people.. never seen so many black leather jackets in one place...
they really sucked then but hilt "call the ambulance" helped
One of my favorites too!
"FLEETING IMAGE, GHOST DESTRUCTION, TV SCREEN"
AWESOME Album!!!
I quite like VIsectVI.
@@StillRightHere OHHH it gives off an ORANGE CLOUD OF LIGHTNING just FLOATING right out of us... (sigh)
I think deepcuts could tackle the topic of "separating the artist from the art" really well
I was taking a college photography class when Too Dark Park came out. The student lab assistant would play it in the dark room lol. A few of us liked it, but even for most art students back then Skinny Puppy in the dark was a bit much.
I’d love to see a Guide to Coil
That would be so interesting!
Based Ramleh
Matan Meir It's funny how with the reissue Hole in the Heart has become their best-known record when, back when I got into them in the late '00s, that cassette was *impossible* to find and you were more likely to hear people talking about Be Careful What You Wish For, Blowhole or Homeless, only the first of which I think is available on any kind of streaming... assuming they were talking about Ramleh at all, as they were really obscure. Either way, wonderfully creepy band.
GUIDE TO COIL! GUIDE TO COIL!
@Obscure Sounds of the Dead Internet please make it clear that Life is Life is a harmonious work of glory, while Leben ist Leben is a noisy stomp of anarchy... I picked the wrong one on a Czech jukebox, and it cleared the bar!
Skinny Puppy is THE BAND that made me listen to industrial music. Because prior to them I listened only to Rammstein and Oomph! And well as much as you consider Depeche Mode industrial, you might include them too.
But after Skinny Puppy and Suicide Commando I got really deep into industrial and post-industrial music.
for me, Ministry is what got me into real industrial music. Hence after that, I listened to classic industrial music
I loved Skinny Puppy. Oh the memories.
@@moofoogee still waiting for new album
Oomph's first was really good
Depeche Mode played essentially the same music as a lot of industrial only without as much harsh effect.
Delighted that The Young Gods get a mention. Their first two albums are astonishing, and last year's Data Mirage Tangram was my favourite of 2019.
Just saw them in Munich and they were still fantastic.
Agreed, they Data is a stunning album, they have a rock solid discography.
Deep cuts is literally just compilations of Bands I’ve never heard of who make genres I can’t even define. I dig all the discovery
I really do think Coil was the best original Industrial act, because they presented many forms of creating this apocalyptic and difficult landscape, fusing elements of African and Asian music, Darkwave, Acid House, the classic Musique Concréte sampling, ambient and glitch.
I think C93 would be a more adequate pick for maybe a neofolk video, especially presenting their less orthodox side.
COIL was / is not industrial. I never found a name for their style when I try to describe it. They did to much different ways to do musick.
Throbbing Gristle is the original Industrial act and always will be.
@@HerrTelef They kinda created trance music.
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Yeah, Coil was some kind of Post-Industrial/Ambient project, like Psychic TV,
Didn't they developed dark ambient/ambient industrial? Their music relied more on industrial atmosphere than pure noise.
I encourage all to check out Severed Heads' 80's works such as "Since the Accident" and "Come Visit (The Big Bigot)" albums. SH was a big influence on Skinny Puppy and others, and they toured with and performed on early SP records like Bites.
My faves include...
LAIBACH "Nova Acropola"
MY LIFE WITH THE THRILL KILL KULT "Confessions of a Knife"
CHROME "Red Exposure"
MANUFACTURE "Terrorvision"
NITZER EBB "Belief"
FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY "Caustic Grip"
CABARET VOLTAIRE "Red Mecca"
FRONT 242 "Front By Front"
Confessions of a knife iz a great pic
Yes early Severed Heads is often awesome (particularly fond of "Since the Accident") and was a huge influence on the others.
Laibach! How could I forget??? Incredible stuff. And from a very different scene, as they came from Slovenia.
And yes also for Laibach, ought to be in an industrial 5 or 10 albums - hard to choose one album though as they are quite distinct - perhaps "Nova Akropola" although tracks on the following "Opus Dei" set a template for acts like Rammstein 10 years later - though I also particularly love the even bleaker "Laibach" album and even moreso the related set on "Rekapitulacija 1980-84" a collection which features their earliest, bleakest and most industrial music.
Great to see Manufacture's debut album mentioned there also; often overlooked.
this is a great list, Clean by severed heads is one of my favorites
Nothing like that classic Wax Trax Sound, Ministry's second album "Twitch" is the record that got me into Industrial. Howdy from Texas y'all
Yeah, I think Twitch was probably the one that got me into it too. That and Skinny Puppy's Remission & Bites.
That is a great one.
What gets me triggered when metalheads, listeners and musicians talk about industrial meaning industrial metal, but skipping word "metal". I mean Industrial and Industrial metal are pretty different styles.
Yeah....I do chuckle when people say Rammstein is an industrial band.
It is pretty funny. Most of the guys into metal have probably only heard Psalm 69 , The Downward Spiral or some ghastly Fear Factory record, and read in Karrang that this is industrial, even when both Al Jorgensen and Trent Reznor have said it isn't. Slabbing on a gabber drum loop and adding a Slayer riff is about as industrial as Blink 182 remix.
@@RootEight Rammstein isn't even industrial metal. Its Neue Deutsche Härte
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LMAO- 'Orgy is an a Industrial band.'
The funny things you read on the internet. Orgy is a pop band, and a poor Depeche Mode rip off imvho. Quite what you'd make of NON/Boyd Rice, Nurse with Wounds or SPK would be amusing to note.
@@RootEight
You really are a funny guy.....Sehnsuch is Arena rock! I mean I dunno if you can 'sing' along with 'Five Knuckle Shuffle', 'What a Day' or 'Hit by a Rock' but really, do yourself a favor and go and listen to Twenty Great Jazz Funk Hits and come back to us. Even Till Lindeman doesn't think they are industrial.....
its good to have you during quarantine, i love to kill my boredom with some new genres of music
yes please, a video about EBM would be great, massively underrated genre
I'm here for this.
Or Electro-Industrial, if there’s even a difference anymore.
Great video. Early industrial is VERY difficult to look back on since listeners tend to fall into camps, then follow their bands back leaving them with a skewed perspective. I myself come from the Ministry camp. Land of Rape and Honey honestly changed my life. A friend of mine has an incredibly similar background found Skinny Puppy first and well it's easy to see how our tastes have diverged from there. I applaud you for living Minie Inch Nails out of this video. I am a big Nine Inch Nails as well, and following their progression and sometimes separation from the 'Industrial scene' could definitely be a distraction from your goal of examining the roots of Industrial music. Keep up the great work.
Yay! Always wanted to be a builder. Didn’t know certain albums were job requirements though! Might have to reconsider :(
Deep cuts, I think doing a video concerning the remembrance and exhultation of controversial artists would be really interesting - Industrial as a genre, in my mind, is the most pertinent area to examine. For example, Boyd Rice, operating under the moniker NON, is a venerable innovator in the genre (just listen to his early tape-loop experiments) and has a rich and abrasive discography. Yet, he holds views and maintains associations that, to put it nicely, are pretty unsavoury - in light of this I can enjoy his work yet never become fully invested in it, like with so many other artists in this genre. A video discussing this would be great!
The thing about the term "industrial" is that, like punk, it can refer to a truly broad variety of music with varying degrees of digestibility, such that one style will sound almost nothing like another under this same umbrella term. In the same way that Dillinger Escape Plan sounds nothing like Suicide, so Nine Inch Nails sounds nothing like Throbbing Gristle, and that's ok. Genre branches extend with limbs very different from their roots
The problem is that the term was hi-jacked by the music industry and by some Cock rockers like NIN. Suicide was some kind of Disco-Punk. They don't belong in the industrial context. Industrial is a small genre. The only related genres are Japanoise and Power Electronics (Whitehouse). And maybe Ritual music and Martial Industrial. Everything else is a bunch of Crossover spin-offs that are far away from the Industrial Culture movement.
@@daisaigai7 NIN is definitely not cock rock, sir
@Broken Archetype
What else should it be? Even Skinny Puppy called NIN a cock rock band. cEvin Key and Bill Leeb made fun of Reznor, because he tried to steal Ogre's visual appearance and attitude.
@@retrosonique7129 I love Skinny Puppy, but they can certainly be ill-informed about what constitutes cock rock, in much the same way that you are ill-informed about their influence on Trent. If anything, it is more sonic than aesthetic. Reznor never had the horror/psychedelic/ performance art thing going on like SP did, he never made fashion choices similar to Nivek and the gang that weren't already being done by countless other acts of the era, and his whole vibe has always been quite different and more varied for the most part.
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I'm not ill-informed because I inform you about the content of several Skinny Puppy interviews and Interviews with FLA. Nobody liked Reznor. FLA, S.P. or KMFDM... they all thought the same.
I love it that Too Dark Park is on this short list. A true masterpiece that even people who don't like this kind of music would appreciate. It's an uncomfortable experience and at times confusing when it slowly pulls you in and then punches you in the mouth. This album doesn't give a fuck. It was peak Skinny Puppy.
One thing that I will point out to Oliver is that while he rightfully credits Cevin Key as a main contributor to the band's sound, the true mastermind was actually DR Goettel who created Skinny Puppy's apocalyptic and at times claustrophobic atmosphere. RIP Dwayne. If anyone reading this interested in other works by DR Goettel, check out his side project called Doubting Thomas.
Doubting Thomas changed everything for me. the Infidel remains one of my top 5 go-to records, for any reason.
I love that you did a video topic on this genre. It's one of my favorites. A Guide to Coil would be an amazing topic.
Some other albums that I think are worth mentioning:
KMFDM - "Nihil"
Revolting Cocks - "Steers Beers + Queers"
Celldweller - "S/T"
Coil - "Horse Rotorvator"
Foetus - "Nail"
Great video as always! All great picks 😊
i'd like to recommend another more underrated industrial record, you suck crap by babyland
Great recommendations!
Great list ! I'd add Chance Meeting on a Dissecting Table of a Sewing Machine and an Umbrella by Nurse with Wound. The Unacceptable Face of Freedom by Test Dept, God and Beast by NON and Cop and Filth by Swans.
Orgy and Marylin Manson......not so much
seriously i think foetus is necessary for everyone to hear
Was really hoping that Foetus record would get mentioned.
Should have had a Coil album on there imo. Probably the greatest electronic post industrial act of all time
Horse Rotorvator is obligatory to Industrial IMO
Age of Naples is a really beautiful tribute. Horse Rotovator is great as well.
I agree but Coil is quite beyond what was initially considered industrial. They are pretty much a genre themselves.
Horse Rotorvator would have been my guess. But also Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel-Nail would have been one of my choices too. I think a future episode about Coil, Nurse With Wound, Current 93, J.G.Thirlwell, Swans, Laibach, but there is so much to be discussed on the topic. It would have been hard choosing just 5 albums.
Julia Sumerling choosing 5 albums is very limited. But yeah the can of worms you mentioned deserves a deep and thorough examination
I personally would love an album guide for Musiqué Concreté if you can. It’s such an interesting style of music and I find it kind of hard to approach it from an album standpoint.
This
Listen to Edgard Varese ASAP
Musique concrète ?
“Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse” will always be my favourite Skinny Puppy album, though I will definitely be giving “Too Dark Park” a listen tonight. I had no idea about the abuse that Cosi suffered at the hands of Genesis. Very sad. And, it’s got to be “Twitch” for my Ministry pick. Over the Shoulder blew me away the first time I saw the video on MuchMusic here in Canada.
The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste is my favorite Ministry and the later From Beer to Eternity
Great list and great descriptions from a genre of music that saw me through my teenage & early adolescent years, and that I still enjoy today. I was blessed to see Einstürzende Neubauten live in Chicago during their last US tour in 98', one of the greatest concerts I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. The jet engine on stage reverberated through the room with such deep purring ferocity that my feet vibrated up off the floor like hydroplaning on a rain slicked street. . Unforgettable. Re-sharing this vid, thanks
That is wild.
Glad to hear discussion of Neubauten - it's absolutely worth it to read the translations of their lyrics (which are side-by-side in an easy-to -read way on their website). Blixa uses the meaning of the words as textures, just as he does with his screams & other vocalizations.
a great subject for '5 Albums to Get You Into...' I thought instead of coming up with an alternate list, I'd mention 2 compilations that led me to explore the albums of Legendary Pink Dots, Lustmord, Coil, Nurse With Wound and many others:
1. Rising From the Red Sand originally released on 5 cassettes in 1983, includes a track by Merzbow, as well as a personal favorite, Bene Gesserit.
2. the Elephant Table Album released on vinyl in 1983, my intro to the Pink Dots, Nurse With Wound, Muslimgauze...etc.
I also think it's worth mentioning the band Fad Gadget, as I think Frank Tovey's DIY synth building and industrial noise aesthetic were of the same time as the seminal TG and the Cabs.
speaking of Cabaret Voltaire: all the albums when they were a 3 piece (with Chris Watson adding some unique tape weirdness), are gold imo. I particularly love Voice of America, Three Mantras, and Eight Crepescule Tracks.
I saw Einstürzende Neubauten in LA in 1989 after the release of Haus der Lüge. phenomenal show!
Robert Hardin the rising from the red sand comp was pretty seminal... this guy really has no clue what he’s talking about to be honest.
Legendary Pink Dots don't get nearly enough respect
Einstürzende Neubauten is my favourite band and Halber Mensch is my favourite album they recorded - probably my favourite album of all time. It's hard to explain how much it shaped me and my music taste. Life is never the same once you heard Neubauten.
Front Line Assembly had some great records surprised they weren't mentioned
Agreed but only 5 its tough to pick and since Leeb was in Puppy its better to start with them
Could argue they are more EBM than Industrial
Their work matured with time, still relevant I’d say
Yes, some of the older Front Line Assembly songs are very close to EBM, especially *"Lethal Compound"* with its bass sequences. Another one is *"Sedation"* from Gashed Senses and Crossfire.
Clock DVA "Buried Dreams" is a great record as well.
My favourite album of all time, couldn't stand the Clocks before that, always thought they were jazzy crap! but blood hell, not a filler track on that album, from Buried Dreams all the way through to Hacker! Love Velvet Realm and Soul Mirror
Foetus is a great industrial project for other suggestions, 'Hole' is my favourite album.
Thanks again for your insight into this often overlooked genre. I'm a massive Skinny Puppy fan but sometimes I think penning them into the industrial genre sells them short. Another comment on here described their almost supernatural vibes. These vibes, along with their atmospheric use of some of the most thought provoking and mind bending samples from popular horror and sci fi film and TV culture, often carries them into the realms of hauntology. Often imitated but never bettered. All hail Skinny Puppy!
A little disappointed no mention of Foetus, not even in the more albums playlist. I feel J.G. Thirlwell is another important figure in industrial music that's worth at least a mention.
Yes. NAIL and HOLE are masterpieces of the genre.
Nail was better than all of the albums on this list.
I feel like there's enough to Foetus that you could devote a whole video to just him without even branching off into stuff about Lydia Lunch et al
I actually prefer The Second Annual Report over 20 Jazz Funk Greats
Third and Final Report or CD1 for me
Yeah, but it’s not the best album for someone new to the genre.
THANKS!
Keith Thomas CD1 is underrated, for sure. Really captures a nice happy medium between their more ambient/soundtrack work and their live vibe.
if you're so eclectic, upload acid hut
Hey Oliver! Hope you're doing very well during the pandemic so far. I'm looking forward to see your second video on the Miles Davis discography. I love these album recommending albums as well.
This has fastly become my favorite channel. You just have this really refined and knowledgeable approach to music that is otherwise easily sloughed off as unapproachable (that really shouldn't be!). U rock bud
Some other greats to look out for "Horse Rotorvator"by Coil, "Nail" by Scraping Foetus off the Wheel, Drawings of OT by Einsturzende Neubauten, "TV Sky" by The Young Gods, "The Menstral Years" by Current 93, "Loves Secret Domain" by Coil, "Sugar Fish Drink" by Nurse With Wound and "Songs of Byzantine Flowers" by SPK, just for starters. Have fun with that!
I know he could only pick 5 but leaving out coil hurt.
@@drackaris_ The five choices covered so much. It was very carefully selected, it took a vast range in. Certainly there is enough for a part 2 with Coil, JG Thirlwell etc. What else is there to do in Lockdown? When you have all the time, why wouldn't he?
Your videos are fantastic and I really like your casual classroom style of instruction. As a person who bought the original Industrial Records issue of 20 Jazz Funk Greats when it first came out in 1979, you are right for including this on your list. That one initial listening experience has influenced my daily listening ever since. You touched on some great works on your list, but please consider Cabaret Voltaire pre-dated TG, and so should have been included. "Nag, Nag, Nag" and "Seconds Too Late" are industrial classics. And the influence of other '80s industrial pioneers like Test Dept., Front Line Assembly, and Laibach should not be understated, and Chris and Cosey's works outside of TG are also fantastic. Keep up the great work and I'd love to hear your take on darkwave, musique concrete, Japanese harsh noise and other genres that matter.
STRONGER THAN REASON
STRONGER THAN LIES
THE ONLY TRUTH I KNOW IS THR LOOK IN YOUR EYES
Jawoll, noch so'n stigmatisierter
Obviously didn't get out much.The world is chock full of sociopaths who could pass a lie detector, no prob.
Stigmata
My favorite weapon.. is the look in your eye. 😎
I always thought I was an edgy little shit with my Pretty Hate Machine cassette but then I looked up the stuff you're talking about and realized I had no idea what intense was. Great video!
you're the first person in history to admit that
Pretty Hate Machine, as good as it is, was the album that "broke" industrial music, and in relatively short time it burned hot then turned to shite, imo.
larraby you’re clearly stuck in the past. Industrial is an incredibly flexible and broad genre. NIN? Death Grips? Street Sects? Pharmakon? Lingua Ignota? There’s some amazing industrial music being created these days. You need listen to more new music.
@@gigachad192 its more a case of outgrowing it. what about life suggests that its natural state is monitoring recorded audio? i've done more synthesis than all these artists combined. people don't make recordings that interest me, because my work supercedes them. plus, the region of attention, is juvenile in these modern pop artists. there is so much about music people aren't ready to appreciate when they're young, like, the money, and, the masons. and, the demons.
@@larraby But Pigface!
Re: Einstürzende Neubauten - their cover of Lee Hazelwood's 'Sand', from around the time of Halber Mensch, is well worth hunting down and listening to.
Also, Industrial, and related music worth a listen;
Test Dept. - Beating the Retreat
Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel - Nail
Sand is an extra track in the CD.
TEST DEPT.’s Unacceptable Face of Freedom is pretty damn great.
The first two Einsturzende LP's 'Kollaps' 1981, and 'Patient O.T.' 1983 are even more raw. I recommend Tanz Debil
Some pronunciation tips: I-Nsturzende NOIbowten (like OI!), BLIXa BARgelt (emphasis on the CAPS)
Also: "Neubauten" was a term to call buildings built after WW II. So in a sense, the band is commenting on the "haste" of the new West-Germany to "build over" the memory of the recent past, while leaving most people who had served in government during the Nazi regime to keep running it. See some Dave Emory's hundreds of podcasts for details...
Building dating back from before the end of the war, were dubbed "Altbauten".
This guy and these videos are a treasure for RUclips
Holy crap I was literally telling my friend how to get into industrial when my phone notification went off. Thanks man LOL
Also another band to mention is Laibach, their early work from Yugoslavia... is 80s industrial with a unique sound
Great choices. This is my "comfortable" genre, I grew up with these artists and although I rarely go to concerts I've seen EN and Young Gods live. With EN it was their Haus der luege period but they did perform Yu-gung. With Young Gods it was the tour to support L'eau Rouge. Great artists and great albums.
my first industrial albums back in the late 90s when i was a teen was Ministry's psalm 69, Skinny Puppy's Process, KMFDM's Angst, and Velvet Acid Christ' Fun With Knives
Solid list. The Too Dark Park tour was the best live show I have ever witnessed. It still echoes in my mind.
i can only imagine: dark, startling, brilliant.
Saw it in Hollywood. Amazing!
Having lived through the early emergence of Industrial music, I was struck by what seemed an almost palpable demarcation between those who genuinely enjoyed the music and those who merely wanted to be part of the scene. It was the equivalent to Punk Rock posers, who stood out like clowns amongst some genuinely esoteric people.
I've always gravitated towards the raw styles of Industrial music, which is often as strong as classical music compositions.
I think your choice of albums is quite good. Nevertheless, I probably would have selected one of Skinny Puppy's earlier albums. Mind The Perpetual Intercourse comes to mind.
Yes, with songs like Smothered Hope, Addiction and Dig It, the earlier records were special.
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Many people seem to have forgotten about Chainsaw, which was an awesome track in its own right.
Skinny Puppy made me buy synthesizers, Kraftwerk made me buy a vocoder, TG made me use gear it wasn't intended.
At a Skinny Puppy show bought Puppy Gristle (Genesis P. Orridge & Skinny Puppy). At a different show also in Amsterdam one year later I met Ogre, very nice guy.
The list is very good yet my fav SP albums are Cleanse Fold & Manipulate and Last Rights. Dwayne Goettel made SP more layered and deeper sounding, fan since 1988.
Yeah SP changed my life. Everyone has that one band that really defined them as a person in the formative years and SP did that for me. I can't say I'm a fan of anything after The Process really. I wish they'd left it there after Dwayne died. TGWOTR was ok but everything that came after sounds like an OHGR album remixed by Download. And they should have acknowledged that and released those albums under a different name. Sigh.
Finally Oliver talks about Industrial!!!! Well, an introduction with 5 great innovative bands at their time. I think bands like Front 242, Chris & Cosey, Nitzer Ebb, KMFDM, Cabaret Voltaire, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, ohGr, Die Krupps, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Portion Control, Clock DVA, A Split-Second, Doubting Thomas, Excessive Force, Revolting Cocks, Mussolini Headkick, Foetus, Wiseblood, Controlled Bleeding, Test Dept., Greater Than One, Lean Into Gold, Pankow, Pig, Pigface, Suicide Commando, Sister Machine Gun, Machines Of Loving Grace, etc, etc... are other interesting bands to get into.
This is great timing! Industrial is something I've wanted to check out for ages since I've enjoyed a lot of metal with industrial elements.
listen to foetus - hole and front 242 - tyranny for you, as well as the stuff already mentioned
a lot of good suggestions here, from the UK side of things there were a lot of small bands in the early 90's that were really pushing the sound, Drill, Oil Seed Rape, Juddah (lead singer guy with red dreads used to sell tshirts in Kensington Market I think), Leechwoman, very early Pitchshifter (before JS Clayden's voice miraculiously turned all US glam rock) not to forget our friends accross the pond Treponem Pal, Schnitt Acht, Young Gods is a good shout, Testify, the list goes on, but for me coming into it in the early 90's, Ministry's "Land of Rape & Honey" or "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" and Puppy's "Ain't it dead yet?" is what got me hooked on the sound, I understand the importance of the earlier pioneers - TG, Coil etc, but I can't listen to those albums, it's just experimental noise to my ears, granted that's what the genre started out as, but you can't fault those that took that influence and made it more accessable to the wider audience.
I saw the Young Gods live at the Kilburn ballroom, along with Meat Beat Manifesto and Sheep on Drugs. All superb bands/artists.
If you love Halber Mensch you have to check out the corresponding video they shot in an abandoned building in Japan of the same name. Recorded it there too perhaps the way it synchs up. Really great to see the manic percussion created by FM Einheit, or the assorted devices assembled by NU Unruh..
Love Too Dark Park but also want to suggest Last Rights. I feel it is intriguing in different ways as they layer in so many diverse sonic elements.
Generally didn't take to Land of Rape and Honey as much as I hoped. Much prefer the Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste.
Anyways, great stuff for both new fans and also to create discussion.
If I could go back in time to before I heard Skinny Puppy I'd do it again and enjoy the experience all over again.
Yes!
There are so many great proto-Industrial / Industrial groups that it is really hard to distill things down to just 5 albums. For the early days [late 70's to early 80's] groups like Throbbing Gristle, Cabre Voltaire, Die Krupps, Non, Wire, Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Monte Cazzazza were very influential (building on groups like Kraftwerk and Walter/Wendy Carlo's/Devo's experimental keyboard exercursions in the early to mid 70's).
However, starting around 1983 and for a decade through 1993, there was the real explosion in the Industrial genre onto the world stage, where there were dozens and dozens of interesting bands collaborating, starting new labels, touring together, and inspiring generations to come. It continued on into the mid 90s when it got more mainstream, but kind of loss momentum in the early 2000s. Here are some bands that stick out from my formative years during that time in the 80's & 90's and I'll just list them alphabetically as it is hard to rank them all:
A Split Second, Accessory, Ajax, Android Lust, Armaggedon Dildos, Assemblage 23, Battery, Bigod 20, Block 57, Blue Eyed Christ, Cabre Voltaire, Cassandra Complex, Cat Rapes Dog, Celldweller, Chemlab, Controlled Bleeding, C-tec, Cyberaktif, Deathline International, Die Krupps, Digital Poodle, Dive, Doubting Thomas, Download, Einstürzende Neubauten ,Excessive Force, Force Dimension, Front 242, Front Line Assembly, Greater Than One, Index, Insekt, Intermix, Klute, KMFDM, Kode IV, Laibach, Leather Strip, Machines of Loving Grace, Mindfield, Ministry, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Nine Inch Nails, Nitzer Ebb, Numb, Of Skin & Saliva, Oomph!, Out Out, Pain Emission, Pankow, Rammstein, Revolting Cocks, Schnitt Acht, Sister Machine Gun, Skinny Puppy, The Overlords, Throbbing Gristle and Young Gods.
One artist I would mention is Robert Turman. His album Way Down is a really really good Industrial / early EBM album. Super atmospheric and noisy.
So glad you covered too dark park. I was obsessed with that album when it came out. I'd lock myself in my room for hours trying to understand what I was listening to. Such a monumental album. What hell would sound like if it was curiously awesome!
i had 3 of these albums in my adolescence , Neubauten, Ministry and Skinny puppy all the sudden i fell really old , thank you
Great to have you back, Oliver. EN's Strategies Against Architecture was on heavy rotation in my teens and the other bands mentioned brought back memories. Thanks.
Yo Oliver I was wondering if at some point you could do a Deep Cuts essential on Comus - First Utterance. It’s an excellent freak/prog folk album from the 70s that is criminally underrated and is honestly one of the best albums from the 70s in general. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Has he ever mentioned this record? Seems like something he'd be all over. It's strangely addictive.
Nick Moss I don’t think so that’s why I’d love to hear him talk about it
Oh fucking hell, I love that record have the original pressing of it!
I love that album, even Out of the Coma is good. I wish they did more when they could but oh well!
Everyone always forgets SEVERED HEADS, and its a damn shame.
I still listen to them. Dead Eyes Opened is one of my all-time favs.
One of the best, forgotten along with Sunday Painters as Australian originators of electronic music.
Protolamna thats really a synth pop anthem... dig back a bit further. Tom Ellard is really something
Yes. And just on innovation alone. One of the first bands to have a internet message board, a website, sell compressed audio formats (mpeg 2 files on severything), Be a small indie band to create a cd rom, sell mp3s on a website, expand live performance to include real time video mixing etc). On top of that I continue to marvel at the level of sound layering on Severed Heads records. Wholly original and vastly underrated experimental electronic music act.
Wait...you mention an Australian industrial band, and it's not SPK. Very dubious.
A Guide to THE MOUNTAIN GOATS would be an incredible video, the discography is huge and the growth and change throughout that discography would be worth dissecting
I only check your videos once in a while, but goddamn are they full of new music for my ears. Can't stop listening to Throbbing Gristle now. Thanks, boi!
What's a music nerd gotta do get a Deep Cut's Guide To J.G. Thirlwell?
Great video, Oli (as usual).
Wow -- I proved to be well familiar with 2, 3 and 5... Not bad))) Thanks for the awesome video. And your speech habits are purely amazing -- rarely does one come across a Brit who pronounces everything so flawlessly. My hat's off
Yeah, industrial music is hard genre to pin down, it's very open ended. I personally would have added Godflesh. Early Swans is indicative of that early meshing of Metal and Industrial too. But, yes difficult to pick only five.
Dude I fucking love your channel, your passion for music is so infectious.
Nurse with wound?
I got Too Dark Park in maybe early 92 (first year in university) when I was starting to expand my tastes beyond thrash and speed metal. I honestly couldn't figure out what I was hearing and felt claustrophobic. Later on that year, I saw their Spasmolytic EP used for like 3 bucks and figured that was worth a shot to give them a second try. *That* got me into them. By digesting that slightly more accessible material, Too Dark Park later made much more sense to me. And, as one should do in university, I then got into my big Skinny Puppy phase of music listening, which included tracking down all the side projects like Hilt and Tear Garden. Incidentally, Hilt's Journey To the Center of the Bowl is one of the greatest forgotten albums in history, with an amazing mix of industrial meets psychedelics. I've had a copy for nearly 30 years and still am amazed with what they did on it.
Can't argue with any of this.
Definitely would have had a side branch with Coil, Current 93 and SPK though.
Anyone else here had their mind blown by Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds' guitarist's other band in the early 90s?
Headcleaner.
Neubauten at the Old Greek Theatre (Melbourne, Australia) in 1990 as a 17 year old kid... mind blown, reconstructed and never the same again for the rest of my existence.
SPK, Laibach, Test Dept, Cabaret Voltaire and Fad Gadget, better choices than your last choices of the list.
I'd like to recommend the excellent Trepaneringsritualen. It's mote accurately defined as death industrial, or on the latest album, dark ambient. Their 2017 Kainskult is stunningly good.
Finally......I used to tell people that industrial included music that used actual industrial sounds or samples to create music. Everyone I grew up insisted that industrial was more of an almost interchangeable term for bands that crossed over between new wave and ebm. You are the first person I've ever come across to mention the first type as industrial aside from those early college radio dj where I first heard it played.
To me, industrial is like indie; an aesthetic and attitude more than a genre. Throbbing gristle personify this as it was a major collaboration of the majorly controversial and experimental in genesis p orridge and the electronics nerd who listens to Abba in Chris Carter!
Such opposites attract, or rather are mediated by cosey and sleazy.
Industrial music is pure inspiration and I've loved it since a kid. As you pointed out, first-wave industrial is very different and not what people expect, but it lays the roots down. My favorite two first-wave industrial groups are Clock DVA and 23 Skidoo, but NON, Cabaret Voltaire, and Nurse With Wound are in my top 5. My favorite first-wave industrial albums are Leichenschrei by SPK, Thirst by Clock DVA, Deep Floor by Clock DVA, and Stahlmusik by Einstürzende Neubauten. I never got much into industrial metal later, but was always drawn to the industrial aesthetic of Nine Inch Nails, Foetus, Chrome, Six Finger Satellite, and Ministry. And when I want to dance, I'm partial more to EBM/electro-industrial sounds of Nitzer Ebb, Portion Control, Recoil, A Split Second, and Depeche Mode. And for pure mind-expanding ambience, you simply must listen to Zoviet France, The Anti-Group, Stratum Terror, Sleep Research Laboratories, Lab Report, Lustmord, and Throbbing Gristle. The world of industrial is expansive and influential, and I hope you do more videos on the genre and subgenres. Thanks for the informative video!
RIP Genesis 🙏😭
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Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen may there be granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will absorption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve the labour and heroism of incarnation on this planet or another, or in any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the accomplishment of their wills; yea, the accomplishment of their wills.
AUMGN. AUMGN. AUMGN.
God i love this channel. It's been a stretch since a new one.
I would've added filth by swans as well
Bryson that would be better for a No Wave list
I love your choices, I couldn’t agree more.
You really lived this, not just research.
Amazing video!
Too Dark Park is one of the most abrasive things I've ever heard, but I like it.
This is the first video of yours I've seen so I don't know what your relationship to industrial music is, but as someone whose life was basically changed by Too Dark Park, it was wonderful hearing what you got out of it. Really enjoyed this video.
May I take this time to recommend Street Sects?
The Metal Critic wake up and say something, do something, make something, pretend to feel something...
YEEEEES I LOVE THEM, DISCOVERED THEM A WHILE AND GOD THEYRE.SO GOOOOOOD
Plus their live show is unlike anything I've ever experienced: having your entire field of vision whited out by fog, strobes pulsing in and out, manic screaming from Leo who will just appear out of nowhere right in your face. They're a treasure alone on that front.
Quality stuff coming out of Austin.
SP- Mind the Perpetual Intercourse would have been my SP introductory album, though Too Dark Park was good! And I had the pleasure of seeing Ministry The Land of Rape and Honey Tour back in 1988! It was at Mississippi Nights in downtown St. Louis. Damn, what a show! Nevik Ogre came on stage for the last song which was a RevCo song No Devotion! Ahhh, those were the days! Thanks for your suggestions!
WE NEED A COIL GUIDE!
YES!
Halber Mensch is a very interesting song if you look at the translated lyrics (full lyrics can be found on lyrictranslate site). The meaning is up for interpretation but they're speaking to this "half man/human" (Halber Mensch) telling him "We trigger your senses, we've placed truths for you, so the second half will never meet" and one of my favorite lines- "He who is in part has nothing to impart." It builds to this crescendo of "Nothing for me, nothing for you, the Reaper stands there, keep going, keep going, keep going, go no further." Finally, Blixa gets his eulogy at the end. It is translated to "You formless clay- On which life's spirits suck the last remaining sparks, they fly away drunk, reeling and swaying. Dancing futile in the sun, you have no worth. They finish you off- A view made for the Gods, the Reaper sends his kind regards." The chanting at this point is something like "Sickle not to be" and the final word spoken is "Decay/rot," as in the verb. Love Bargeld's lyricism, even if some of the subtleties are lost in translation
I think the industrial movement is one of the most powerful social movements ever done
Super Hype for the NIN guide. Such a versatile catalog, lots to explore.