5 Albums to Get You Into POST PUNK
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2017
- Here it is: 5 Albums to Get You Into POST PUNK. Let me know your favourite Post Punk albums in the comments section below!
Also I realised as I was editing that I said ‘unique’ far too many times…noted.
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5 ALBUMS TO GET YOU INTO POST PUNK:
1) Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures (1979)
2) Wire - Chairs Missing (1978)
3) Magazine - Real Life (1978)
4) Public Image Ltd - Metal Box (1979)
5) Gang of Four - Entertainment (1979)
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Not bad, not bad. Being a "man of a certain age" I was around at the time all of these albums were released and I'd have to agree, all of the albums you've chosen would have to be on an "essential post punk" list. I'd also include the following (in no particular order):
"Crocodiles" Echo and the Bunnymen.
"Heaven Up Here" Echo and the Bunnymen.
"Porcupine" Echo and the Bunnymen.
"Strange Boutique" The Monochrome Set.
"Love Zombies" The Monochrome Set.
"The Eligible Batchelors" The Monochrome Set.
"Volume, Contrast And Brilliance. Sessions And Singles. Volume 1" The Monochrome Set.
"You Can't Hide Your Love Forever" Orange Juice.
"Texas Fever" Orange Juice.
"High Land, Hard Rain" Aztec Camera.
"Three Imaginary Boys" The Cure.
"Seventeen Seconds" The Cure.
"Faith" The Cure.
"Pornography" The Cure.
"First Issue" Public Image Limited.
"The Flowers Of Romance" Public Image Limited.
"Second Hand Daylight" Magazine.
"The Correct Use Of Soap" Magazine.
"The Scream" Siouxsie and the Banshees.
"Join Hands" Siouxsie and the Banshees.
"Kalidoscope" Siouxsie And The Banshees.
"Juju" Siouxsie and the Banshees.
"A Kiss In The Dreamhouse" Siouxsie and the Banshees.
"Kilimanjaro" The Teardrop Explodes.
"Wilder" The Teardrop Explodes.
"In The Flat Field" Bauhaus.
"Mask" Bauhaus.
"The Sky's Gone Out" Bauhaus.
"Burning From The Inside" Bauhaus.
"Killing Joke" Killing Joke.
"What's This For.....!" Killing Joke.
"Revelations" Killing Joke.
"Psychedelic Furs" The Psychedelic Furs.
"Talk, Talk, Talk" The Psychedelic Furs.
"Forever Now" The Psychedelic Furs.
"Prayers On Fire" The Birthday Party.
"Junkyard" The Birthday Party.
"Nosferatu" Hugh Cornwell.
"Euroman Cometh" Jean Jacques Burnel.
"Heresie" The Virgin Prunes.
"Cut" The Slits.
"Return Of The Giant Slits" The Slits.
"Y" The Pop Group.
"Closer" Joy Division.
"Drums And Wires" XTC.
"Black Sea" XTC.
"English Settlement" XTC.
"Mummer" XTC.
"Seven Songs" 23 Skidoo.
"Dirk Wears White Sox" Adam and the Ants.
"Black And White" The Stranglers.
"The Raven" The Stranglers.
"The Gospel According To The MenInBlack" The Stranglers.
"Double Nickels On The Dime" Minutemen.
"Feast" The Creatures.
"Red Mecca" Cabaret Voltaire.
"The Return Of The Durutti Column" Durutti Column.
"The Icicle Works" The Icicle Works.
"Boy" U2.
"October" U2.
"Hex Enduction Hour" The Fall.
"A Can Of Bees" The Soft Boys.
"Underwater Moonlight" The Soft Boys.
"Only The Stones Remain" The Soft Boys.
"More Songs About Buildings And Food" The Talking Heads.
"Fear Of Music" The Talking Heads.
"Remain In Light" The Talking Heads.
"The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads" The Talking Heads.
"Speaking In Tongues" The Talking Heads.
"Marquee Moon" Television.
"Adventure" Television.
"Q: Are We Not Men?" Devo.
"The Modern Dance" Pere Ubu.
"Dub Housing" Pere Ubu.
"New Picnic Time" Pere Ubu.
"Datapanik In The Year Zero" Pere Ubu.
"The Hearpen Singles 1975 - 1977" Pere Ubu.
"Early" Scritti Politti.
"Swoon" Prefab Sprout.
"Treasure" The Cocteau Twins.
"Splendour Of Fear" Felt.
"Tin Drum" Japan.
"The Waterboys" The Waterboys.
"A Pagan Place" The Waterboys.
"This Is The Sea" The Waterboys.
"Twenty Jazz Funk Greats" Throbbing Gristle.
"Penthouse And Pavement" Heaven 17.
"Movement" New Order.
"Travelogue" The Human League.
"Dare" The Human League.
"New Gold Dream: 81/ 82/ 83/ 84" Simple Minds.
"Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark" Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark.
Along with the five already listed in this RUclips clip, if you also obtained these albums I've listed here, you'd have the majority of the essential Post Punk albums in your possession (I'm bound to have missed one or two!).
Again, speaking as someone who is old enough to have been around at the time, Post Punk covered a multitude of approaches and experiments in style. Don't let anyone tell you that Post Punk was purely the icy blast of bands like PiL and Joy Division 'cos, as important as those two bands were, it's just not true to claim that that approach was the whole picture. Each one of the bands I've listed were as important as the other in forming the overall picture of Post Punk experimentation running (roughly) between 1978 and 1983 but also encompassing the odd artist who had been in existence two to three years prior to the commencement of this vague dividing line. Accordingly, even though most of these bands made more albums than the ones I've listed here, the albums I have listed are those made by these bands that are particularly pertinent to Post Punk vis a vis: important to the development of the style in the initial but also important to how the approach developed thereafter in a variety of directions. In regards to this "development", the occasional album has also been listed here to demonstrate how eventually, certain trailers from Post Punk musicians lead towards a more mainstream and commercial sound as the approach of certain bands became more and more worked out from the point at which they had commenced. Such albums should still be considered Post Punk however as they were produced by original Post Punk bands and were a partial end result of such bands taking their original experiments through to a logical conclusion. There are only one or two of these kind of album listed here but I'll let you figure out which they are!
Finally, I should add, that, not only do I obviously prefer some of these albums (and bands) over others - as would be expected - but the odd one or two of these listed, are albums I'm not even personally keen on! Accordingly, the albums (and bands) listed are purely here because of their importance to Post Punk as a style - whether I'd listen to them now or not!🤔
Beefheart1 well written
Beefheart1 The cure is one of the firsts gothic rock bands but its so close to post-punk because its practically in the same era
with Siouxsie and the banshees
Beefheart1 Bruh
Mimi Mondello Nah, they were both Post Punk bands. Goth didn't even exist as a label when either band started. Along with bands like Bauhaus, "Goth" was a label given to these bands retrospectively. Actual Goth bands from conception were bands like Alien Sex Fiend, Sex Gang Children and Sisters of Mercy etc....and they were all crap as Goth was as a genre over all.
There were worse genres than Goth but, by and large, it was just a comedy genre for fashion victims hanging out at the "Batcave". A few of these individuals picked up instruments but had little talent and so had to co-opt bands like The Cure and Banshees etc into their scene in hope of making it legit.
Take it from me, both the Cure and the Banshees had a well established following in Post Punk circles well before Goth was ever thought of as a genre, and we're making interesting and intelligent music throughout this period.
*opens description*
*sees Unknown Pleasure*
Just making sure, lol. Good video. :)
And to think, I almost put 'Closer' instead...
If you didn't put UP as the first on your list, boy would've the chat exploded.
@@deepcuts "Be a lot cooler if you did"
Closer, Pink Flag, Secondhand Daylight , Metal Box, Heaven up here one out of five aint bad who the fuck is Yah Wobble Memories was not on the LP either entertaining critique a little pretentious at times but an excellent choice of LPs cheers!
@@nietzschesmustache9483 I'm a big fan of your owner
Television's Marquee Moon is a good start too. Very nice work like always!
Yes people should check this out, I put it on my 'More Albums' spotify playlist if anyone's following me on there
Trevor Barre you're sort of right re the period Post Punk covered, although it was definitely still trundling along by 1983 and certainly wasn't over by 1981.
You are incorrect to think that "Marquee Moon" wasn't a Post Punk album however. A number of artists that had been in existence pre 1978 only came into their own in the Post Punk era and were therefore considered Post Punk bands (much in the same way as, Pulp, who, - although they had been going for years prior, - were only recognised properly in the Britpop era and thus, will always be known, classified and remembered as a Britpop band). Examples such as Cabaret Voltaire, Pere Ubu, Television and Devo were only a handful of bands that had been together (and recording) for years prior to 1978 but were of little interest to most people until the Post Punk era when their music finally made contextual sense.
Post Punk doesn't so much refer to a period of time remember, but to an approach to music making that either takes Punk as a starting point, or, is otherwise informed by the Punk aesthetic and filtered through it. I suppose Post Punk's concerns would be more "interior" or existential than Punk Per se and - even though The Pistols and The Clash, to name just two Punk bands, were informed by the same - owed much more to an art school aesthetic than 1976 and 1977 Punk ever did.
Musically, Post Punk was generally more experimental than Punk, could be abstract or difficult and brought to the table musical influences other than those influences that had informed Punk. So, Punk's musical precedents would be artists such as The Stooges, The Mc5, The New York Dolls, The Faces, The Small Faces, Bowie (in his Glam era), Bolan, Roxy Music, The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Velvet Underground, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran etc. Few of these influences informed Post Punk. Bowie remained as a Post Punk influence (but in his Berlin era as opposed to his glam era) as did the Velvet Underground but, other than this, Post Punk's influences were artists and styles such as Eno, Krautrock, Dub Reggae, Modern and Free Jazz, Modern Classical, Nico, John Cale, Robert Wyatt, Lou Reed, Iggy Pop's Berlin albums, Captain Beefheart, Syd Barrett, Zappa, Psychedelia, Van Der Graaf Generator, Disco, Motown and Stax, Kraftwerk, Cabaret music, Pre Beatles British pop, The Beatles themselves and Peter Hammil etc, etc. Further to this, Post Punk was arguably much more influenced by elements outside of just music than Punk per se ever was. Thus, literature, fine art, philosophy the occult and cinema all went into Post Punk's melting pot whereas, in Punk, other than a few individuals in bands, these influences were primarily the purview of band managers such as Malcolm McLaren and Bernie Rhodes etc.
In a sense, you could regard Post Punk as being the music that was created by those original Punks once they had grown up a little. It was less mediated, by and large, than Punk had been, was multi dimensional (covering a wide array of approaches and experiments) and tended to be more interesting musically as a result. Accordingly, even though bands like Television had, as you state, been around prior to 1978, their music made much more sense in the Post Punk era than it ever had during the Punk period per se. As such, "Marquee Moon" was indeed a Post Punk album....it's just that it was made a little early and had to wait for the Post Punk audience to appear in order for it to gain wider acclaim and influence.
It's a great album, but Television are more considered one of the original CBGB punk bands from the same "scene" as The Ramones or Patti Smith. Sonically they had the free spirit that surrounded what was also a group of artists who were close friends looking to entertain each other.
Television technically pre-dated post-punk. Some call it proto-punk. Great band none-the-less.
I have to say it: This Heat's self titled while nearly inaccessible to newcomers, is still one of the best post punk albums ever made. It has this atmosphere that feels like being alone in a snowstorm in a cold hut with enough anxiety to freeze you in your tracks. Deceit is good, but their self titled is absolutely amazing when you get into it.
Deceit by them is amazing, I would have put Modern Dance by Pere Ubu in here too
Not post-punk
However, great album; not as good or consistent as Deceit, but still very good.
Not really post-punk
Generally more into experimental rock.
The Chameleons- Script of the Bridge.
I know this album came out in 83 but it is post punk perfection.
I was going to make the same statement. Manchester's best kept secret.
ABSOLUTELY. THE CHAMELEONS Script Of The Bridge is the greatest Post Punk album of all-time.
it doesn't get better
Excellent, agree completely! Love The Chameleons!
Seconding this. One of the best records ever
The Sound ''From The Lion's Mouth'' is one of the best and most underrated albums ever and it should definitely be there
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Yes yes yes, propaganda and shock of daylight tho
Yep. And they're debut, "Jeopardy" was also amazing.
Also, "Script of the Bridge" by the Chameleons, and maybe "Nada!" by Death In June if you want something a little more avant-garde.
@@NovemXI oh yes! The Chameleons UK are a brutally underrated band. Also Modern Eon's "Fiction Tales" also falls into the avant garde category.
For me, Closer was a lot deeper and darker than Unknown Pleasures. It may be because it was released not long before Curtis killed himself. But nonetheless, The final two songs of The Eternal and Decades were so deep you could tell straight away how Curtis felt. Joy Division had went from the stress and struggle of Unknown Pleasures to the suffering and defeat of Closer.
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Juju should be an honorable mention.
joebowles06 I thought the same thing.
Budgie's drums were incredibly ahead of the time and so creative.
Juju is their best album.
personally I think album #2 "Join Hands" is their best; the original line-up; captures a youthful passion and angst, an honest raw intensity and energy.
John McGeoch absolutely made that record
The Sound sure is an underrated band in the post punk genre. Their jeopary and from the lion's mouth albums were great.
Spot on. Massively underrated.
Yep! Utterly amazing band!
Who the hell makes those Missiles?!?!
Also really love Propaganda. 1979 recordings released in '99.
Excellent list, Oliver. "Heaven Up Here" by Echo and The Bunnymen is another must hear post-punk album to get people into post-punk.
Thanks mate! Ocean Rain is pretty great too
Great album but I prefer Porcupine. I do concede however that Heaven Up Here is more accessible.
Siouxsie and the Banshees- The scream, Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth, and The Fall - This Nation's saving grace are other amazing ones.
All great suggestions
Chrome, Tuxedomoon, Cabaret Voltaire, Chameleons, The Sound, The Cure
How were Chrome post-punk? They're first record is from 1976... Most of the San Francisco experimental scene was happening regardless of punk.
Cabaret Voltaire was more part of the Industrial and experimental scene. Though later they moved on to electro, electro-house, than just boring house.
Chrome is a great act and very interesting, but seem to be more proto punk with science fiction.
Tuxedomoon. Haven't heard that name in decades. Thank you.
Tuxedomoon were great, Steve Brown and Blaine L Rieniger if i remember correctly.
The sound, forever
As a 16yr old in 1980 I loved Joy Division the most of this list, Martin Hannett is a legend. Magazine was really great. Don't forget Killing Joke, their first album was one of the best I would have then high on my list. It was a really great angsty period.
Magazine are different class !
Guides you should do: Scott Walker, Ween, Sparks, and Lil Ugly Mane
Genre guides: New Romantic, Synth Pop, and Tape Music
Great vid btw
Thanks Dom! Shit I'm so up for a Lil Ugly Mane guide
Still waiting for the Lil Ugly Mane guide!
I would recommend: Television - Marquee Moon and Pere Ubu - Modern Dance
Totally agree.
Yeah I agree I think an American band should have been thrown in there at least
Both great albums - ones I’d prefer to listen over those he mentioned - but wouldn’t call them “post-punk” cuz they weren’t a derivative or development of punk but were recorded in parallel to punk.
I politely disagree. Some of the guys in Pere Ubu came outta the punk band Rocket From The Tombs and Verlaine came from the punk band Neon Boys.
@@coldstar5352 So? Why would that prevent them from doing post-punk as well?
echo and the bunnymen crocodiles has got to be on any post punk list
Over these 5? No chance. Sure, I might switch some of those out on his list but they're all far superior to Crocodiles.
@@quinnmichael2657 well it's all opinions but I'd take crocodiles to a desert island before wire
@@lennon1482 Yep, to each their own. Wire is my favorite band. Those first three albums are unbelievable.
I know it came later but The Birthday Party is my favorite post punk band. Prayers On Fire and Junkyard are classics.
Certainly a groundbreaking band however you categorise their sound
Andrew Cauvin The Pop Group and the Birthday Party! both fantastic bands.
The Fall were doing post punk while punk was still happening
I stuck a six inch gold blade into....
If I had a personal anthem, it would be Release the Bats.
I am a massive JD fan, I prefer Closer slightly more. To me Unknown Pleasures has a more rock influenced sound with brief moments of experimentation, its a bleak album but but the instrumentation doesn't always match the feeling. (don't get me wrong I love UP) but closer has such a wide array of sound in it, it has a few great danceable tracks (isolation, a means to and end), but the album as a whole truly captures the feeling of utter hopelessness like no other. Especially the final 4 songs.
-Heart and Soul feels like seeing a tornado or hurricane in the distance and watching it get closer and closer to you (no pun intended) and the dread is sinking in.
-Twenty four hours feels like utter chaos, whatever you where worried about and feared is not hitting you with full force .
-The eternal feels like someone contemplating there life during a cold sunny day looking through a window at people walking by who look free.
-decades feels like someone at there last moments contemplating everything they have ever done and becoming one with the cyclical nature of the world and time.
this albums ending contains the most haunting sounds I have ever heard.
The first 4 sounds are also masterworks:
-Atrocity Exobition is an uncomfortable place to be, its like Ian Curtis is taking you deeper and deeper into a nasty, hopeless place that you really want to leave but you have no choice but to follow. the ominous drum pattern pushes you further
-Isolation feels like a final dance in an empty dance hall. Your completely alone, and always will be.
-Passover is a kind of brief respite where you can reflect on the horrors you have witnessed before being sucked back in on the next track
-Colony feels like someone crying out in the woods for someone. We hear the utter isolation in curtis's voice, brought home by his chant of 'IN THIS COLONY'.
and Finally A Means To An End which is a frenetic danceable retrospective on a relationship that leave the listener wanting more
Ive been waiting for a guide....
to come and take me by the hand...
yes Closer is far better and pretty damn good all the way through
"The Modern Dance" by Pere Ubu is another really fantastic post-punk album, and a little more accessible than some of the other ones on this list. Love all these though, you've got a great list!
Dylan McMahon Not post punk
I would say it counts as post punk!
>>"The Modern Dance" by Pere Ubu is...a little more accessible than some of the other ones on this list.
@@jankafka7330 i agree, the modern dance may be the most accessible from them but its still pretty much misguiding to tell someone that pere ubu are more accessible than the bands mentioned in this video lol
Pere Ubu are Punk.
my top 3:
Entertainment - Gang of Four
Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division
Script of the Bridge - The Chameleons
Entertainment! is a hell of an album
Script of The Bridge, The Chameleons
Yes
Yes!!!
Definetly
I don't blame the guy for sticking to bands on his side of the pond, but Boston's Mission of Burma and Human Sexual Response were around in the late 70s and helped form the post-punk sound.
Was thinking the same thing!
I consider The Sound - From the Lions Mouth to be the best Post Punk album ever, closely to Joy Division and The Cure’s Seventeen Seconds, would love to hear recommendations from The Sound fans, I find it hard to find music as visceral and gritty as From the Lions Mouth. Great video, thank you!
From the Lion's Mouth - absolutely awesome album
The Sound...great band! Probably in the minority here, but thought All Fall Down was their best. Also Wire, with Pink Flag...at the time, I never realised it could be a thing to write such short songs, snippets of pure excellence. After Wire, everything changed for me.
Jeopardy and From the Lions Mouth are both awesome but you're right- I favor From the Lions Mouth. So good.
YEAAAAAH! The Sound is the best Post Punk Band
The Sound and The Chameleons are the two best and most forgotten bands IMO
A guide to Wire would be awesome!
Mark Jones wire better than joy division I think
Mark Jones Wires first three albums are powerhouse records.
Everything after that, not so much.
Still, those first three...so damn good.
Decided to give that Metal Box album a try and I loved it! Totally raised my spirits for the day, thanks for your suggestions as always!
Love hearing stories of people checking out records off the back on my videos, glad you loved it!
ENTERTAINMENT! is an amazing record. Thanks so much for including it.
Would’ve loved to see some XTC on this list. One of the most consistent and criminally underrated bands ever.
Absolutely love your channel and adding the Spotify playlist is a great move!
I like XTC. But underrated is a stretch for me.They got a lot of airplay in their day here in cenral Texas USA..
"Complicated Game" on Drums & Wires is my personal favorite track of all time.
YES!!!! XTC is criminally underrated.
Script of the Bridge, I have listened to this masterpiece for 30 plus years now. From the oomf of Don't Fall thru the beauty of View From a Hill. It really is a never ending now... Regards g
Could not agree more!
My favourite LP of all time.
Second skin.
THE BEST POST-PUNK ALBUM... EVER.
Darkland by Jesus And Marry Chain is pretty good too for anyone trying to get into post punk!
5 albums will never be enough but I couldn't leave out the Banshees (eg Juju) and the Cure (eg Seventeen Seconds) and Television's Marquee Moon.
Script of the Bridge --- by The Chameleons perfectly captures the post punk style and aesthetic in my opinion
Underrated album and band
My Top 5 To Get You In To Post Punk
Wire -Pink Flag
Gang Of Four-Entertainment
The Pop Group-Y
Talking Heads-77
Television-Marquee Moon
Pink Flag is awesome
Really happy to see Wire here, even if I prefer 154 personally.
A few great post-punk albums / bands:
Viet Cong by Preoccupations (Formerly Viet Cong) : A modern post-punk album. Definitely some inspiration from electronic music along with Joy Division and This Heat. Angular, dissonant and so often weirdly catchy.
The Method Actors : I have only listened to a compilation of there's and some of the tracks are absolutely stunning.
Deceit by This Heat : A bit borderline but astonishing, if a bit uneven. Some of my favourite lyrics from any post-punk band and really odd, often quite minimal melodies.
I love Wire. How they progressed (eg Silk Skin Paws) made it impossible to pin them down. John Peel's quote re. The Fall is equally attributable to Wire........'Always different but always Wire'.....!
I think you should do a guide to the band Killing Joke. A band worthy of a guide that with your kind of musical reviewing i believe could be given some great justice and inspire people to check them out.
Yes Unknown Pleasures is a masterpiece, Disorder is the most amazing song I've heard. Love post punk
Unknown pleasures. Probably best album ever.
The Comsat Angels- waiting for a miracle, The Chameleons- script of the bridge, The Sound - Jeopardy , Blitz- second empire justice....
At last someone mentioned that great Blitz album!
@@massimoisola9462 one of the best I know. Real postpunk, because they turned into.
The Fall The Fall The Fall The Fall
I expected The Fall X 5.
@@tonysmyth4116 i miscounted!
The Fall! can't be missing from the list
how to get into The Fall though? where to start
Its arguable that The Falls peak years where still ahead of them in 1979 though, and that year seems to be the focal point for his choices here. This Nations Saving Grace is possibly their magnus opus released in 1985.
PIL - Metal Box
This Heat - Deceit
Cure - Three Imaginary Boys
Joy Division - Closer
Pop Group - Y
If you haven't checked them out yet you're missing a lot of goodies in life.
This Heat might be the most political band ever
This heat is an incredibly unique band that were never ever going to get again. FUCKING amazing 2 albums
Everyone is a critic. Good list, even better description. Good job.
everyone's a critic and most people are DJ-s :D one of my favourite lyrics.. it's not post punk though
Never listened to Real Life, Metal Box, and Entertainment until I saw this video and loved them all. I miss this channel so much.
FINALLY I ACTUALLY KNOW EVERY RECORD YOU RECOMMEND!!!!!!!
I BETTER STEP UP MY GAME THEN ;)
For anyone interested in this area and time of music as well as its historical origins and development, I highly recommend getting hold of a copy of Rip it Up and Start Again: Post Punk 1978-1984 by Simon Reynolds. It's a brilliant, informative, well-thought-out book that is really easy to read and is written in chronological order and broken up in two sections (1978-1980 and 1980-1984). It also has a really useful chronological list of singles/albums/E.P.'s released before, during and after the post-punk period.
Absolutely agree - the extensive Discography is essential and the ultimate guide to the genre.
Couldn't agree more. I've got that book. It's exhaustively researched, exceedingly well written, and very perceptive. And as you said, the chronological lists at the end are essential for anybody seeking to delve into this type of music. It's THE ultimate guide to post-punk.
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Good selection. This Heat also worth a mention (they started playing 'post punk' in 1976!). And always Closer over Unknown Pleasures.
Deceit would be perfect if not for "Independence."
Chairs missing is one of my favorite albums ever
Albums to get you into Proto-Punk could be cool. Stuff like Television, Stooges and Velvet Underground maybe
Great! Could you do a Noise Rock vid? I'd love to hear your recs.
ElNuun Women's Public Strain for sure, one of my favorite albums.
Oh yes! :D
Yeah Noise Rock is on the cards!
Noise rock is badass so yeah lets get on it
ElNuun I second this
This is also a great gateway into the multiple worlds of not-quite-post-punk but original bands - like 70s XTC, Devo or The Fall
Wipers!
Television Personalities -
‘And Don’t the Kids Just Love It’
I'd suggest adding some of the more ethereal guitar bands of the early 80's like The Chameleons, Sad Lovers and Giants, The Church, etc.
The Comsat Angels never got the credit they deserved. Waiting For A Miracle and Sleep No More are great and still sound great today
their first three albums on polydor stand alongside anything produced in that era,
I was just about to mention Waiting for a Miracle. I actually wrote part of a university application essay about it in 1984.
My favorite of theirs is Flying Dreams, yes, they are sadly unknown by many
My favourite albums from that era are Devo - Duty Now For The Future, The Psychedelic Furs - Talk Talk Talk and Josef K - Young And Stupid (though that may be a compilation). Enjoyed the video!
I was lucky enough to see Magazine and Joy Division at Eric's club in LIVERPOOL at the Sat afternoon under 21 s gigs when I was 15 ..the J.D gig was recorded and you can hear it here on You Tube, great review cheers ,Max.,Merseyside x
Wait... Killing Joke - Killing Joke.
Beat me to it. It's amazing how few people have ever heard of them, and how many bands owe their sound to them.
You forgot "Script of the Bridge" by The Chameleons.
Strange Times seems to be the one most people prefer. I need to give Script of the Bridge another listen.
@@ThievesInTheTreasureRoom i'll call Script of the Bridge the Mountain's top of post punk, I really like this album a lot.
In Shreds is about as Post punk as you can get in my opinion
@@ThievesInTheTreasureRoom Strange Times is more accessible and less goth. I wouldn’t say more people prefer it... pretty mixed seems to me. Critics hate goth generally so they’ll prefer ST.
Fully agree. Should be so much more well known. As significant as Unknown Pleasures imo
Guide to "The Sound" would be cool. And mybe it would give them a bit of much needed recognition as the Bunnymen stole the limelight.
I love these:
The Raincoats: Self-Titled
Pylon: Gyrate
Bauhaus: In the Flat Field
Television: Marquee Moon (obviously)
Swell Maps: International Rescue
(I narrowed it to my five favorites but you also have The Fall, Mekons, The Soft Boys, The Feelies, Mission of Burma, Girls at Our Best!, and The Monochrome Set as important post punk groups that I love)
Swell maps huh? I’ve been suggested them on Spotify I’m gonna check them out based on your comment, it better be good!!!
The Chameleons album Strange Times is what got me into it
Great album.
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Manchester's best kept secret.
Their 3rd great album in a row. The debut is also a masterpiece.
1 Metal Box
2 Chairs Missing
3 Unknown Pleasures
4 Entertainment!
5 Boys Dont Cry
Great picks - I have owned the Joy Division, Magazine and Gang of Four since they were released. I saw JD live twice, Magazine once, and maybe Gang of Four (wish I had kept a record of concerts I attended).
Great list, I would also suggest: The Fall - live at the witch trials.
Nick Cave and The Birthday Party got me into post punk and I highly recommend listening to their 4 albums, they're so good
How did Siouxsie and the Banshees’ ‘The Scream’ not make the cut?
Also, ‘Unknown Pleasures’ is a masterpiece, but I think ‘Closer’ is actually better. It’s so hauntingly beautiful.
UP is better pick. Closer is much more heavier album for beginners
I agree that Unknown Pleasures is JD's masterpiece & one of the most desolately beautiful albums ever recorded. I still treasure my original vinyl version, but I only play it when I'm feeling emotionally strong enough to cope as it always sounds like a suicide note from Ian Curtis. My sister, who was also a musician, hung herself in 2018, so I know whereof I speak.
Agree on Closer.
You've gotta do something on The Fall eventually, surely?
pick an album that should have been on this list. Mine is: This Nation's Saving Grace
Live at the Witch Trials is amazing. Very much underrated.
@@glamrick649 Mine is "Hex Enduction Hour"
Shift Work!
Extricate
Loove Metal Box, fantastic choice!My favorites, however, would have to be This Heat's Deceit, Nick Cave's Good Son, Television's Marquee Moon, and Fall's Dragnet.
How can Television be Post Punk if it was part of the first wave of Punk.
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It's strange, because of their sound they are classed as post punk but yeah they're not from the post punk era really
Echo and the Bunnymen first three albums. I'm going to go with Porcupine. The Chameleons are great too.
Unknown Pleasures was a brilliant shockwave of sound....BUT...CLOSER is a transcendent masterpiece. One of the greatest musical compositions ever conceived anytime or anywhere.
Still, as far as this grouping goes, the choice of Unknown Pleasures is fair enough as CLOSER stands outside any genre.
Yeah I personally way prefer Closer but Unknown Pleasures is definitely more "classic"
I have never clicked on a video so fast before
Agustín Videla 5 modern post-punk albums:
Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights
Iceage - You're Nothing
Savages - Silence Yourself
Ought - Sun Coming Down
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
Plowing Into The Field Of Love > You're Nothing
Neel 2000 Turn On The Bright Lights is so god damn good.
@@Neel-ff4mn okay I actually want to hear these
Heaven Up Here by Echo and the Bunnymen is a perfect post-punk album that deserves a mention.
Definitely not for a beginners ear but both Prayers On Fire & Junkyard are incredible albums from Nick Caves first band, The Birthday Party.
Not to mention that their EPs The Bad Seed and Mutiny are some of the best of any genre.
The Boys Next Door (Pedantic Ed.)
Gang of Four is considered to be the foundation of dance-punk, along with Talking Heads, New Order, and i believe Public Image Ltd is also considered part of the initial influences on the genre
I just stumbled upon this and found it really helpful in pointing out some albums I hadn't heard. Cheers I will definatly be checking out Magazine and a couple of others mentioned.
It’s so funny, I see your channel for the first time today! Earlier, I was trying to explain Post-Punk to my friend. She looked at me as if I fell from the sky! So I played a few tunes from “In the Flat Field” from my fave, Bauhaus, and she told me the friendship was OFF!! She was kidding, of course! I’m so happy to have found you! I really love all of your picks...I would’ve chosen Bauhaus (previously mentioned album) and The Cure “Three Imaginary Boys” or “Seventeen Seconds”! Thanks for your interpretation of these great albums!!❤️
fantastic! these videos abd run downs have gotten me through Quarantine so thank you for all the hard work and joy you put into them!
Let it Be by The Replacements is another amazing post punk record! A very great combo of punk rock and early alternative rock
Great video, I would add Pere Ubu's Modern Dance, that was incredibly influential
As a 17 yo from Manchester in 1978, Unknown Pleasures was so different to the usual punk offerings at the time it was a spine chilling experience, the opening of "Disorder" was utterly different to anything that had gone before, the city that is now so Cosmopolitan and upbeat was a desolate shithole, that we all suffered in, and they were so uplifting in a depressing kind of way, their gigs were gloomy threatening and really cool, having attended many I can really say you had to be there
Unknown Pleasures may be the link between punk and new wave. Even though I am not a fan, I can see the importance and appreciate the influence of this album.
I was around in 1977. i was lucky enough to see all the important punk bands of the day The Clash ,The Damned and i was lucky to see The Sex Pistols Twice Keighley and Huddersfield A gig i walked to with my friend from Bradford and the story was told in the BBC4 doc Never mind the Baubles and Ghosts of Christmas past . I was hitch hiking around the country back then hanging out with punks all over the country London ,Middlesboro Norwich Burnley to name a few. i can never remember anyone ever mentioning the name Post Punk .back then .I'm not saying no one ever mentioned it because i did know a lot of punks around the country i didn't know everyone .so it's possible some one mentioned it .I also new a lot of bands Its everywhere now and seems a modern term for how punk evolved .it wasn't a separate genre of music .To suggest so to me would mean people with a separate identity to punk and i don't think that was the case . It was the same people going to see Wire in both the Pink flag period as it was in the Chairs Missing period and 154 period . I spoke to Wire quite a few times back .one night in particular at Leeds F club where we chatted about music for about 2 hours .and i don't recall Post Punk being mentioned .Everything evolves though it's the natural state so by 1979 punk as a movement was over ideologically 1977 /78 were fantastic years and i met so many great people around the country who looked after and supported each other It was a community in every sense of the word By 79 it all changed most of the bands had record contracts top of the flops was full of punk bands .This had a negative effect on the punk movement because more people came so bands played bigger venues but the attitude changed .it brought all the normal society values into punk gigs .The new punters were just music fans mainly so we ended up with more trouble at punk gigs .Where as in 77/78 punks didn't care where you came from or what team you supported or what religion you were you were just happy to see another punk in 79 all that went out the window .so regionalism returned and all the other stuff started having a negative impact at gigs .I noticed a few original punks at that point started dressing differently this was more reelected in my favourite Adam and the Ants .in 77 /78 .Adam had toned his appearance and his stage presence was a lot calmer then in the past . The Ants Crew in 77/78 were all hardcore punks wearing a mixture of DIY and Seditionaries stuff [ yes i understand the contradiction ] by 79 a lot of the original punks wanted to distance them selves from punk so adopted wedge hair cuts , flat tops Hawaiian shirts ,long green army macs but still wear Leather trousers and Seditionaries From what i've read this seems to be similar to the Post Punk identity but no one called it Post punk .Going back to your record choices I think Magazine was the first album for me that felt different to everything else that was out at the time . I liked Ultravox with John Foxx but not sure you could have called them Punk . Having said that i have pics of John Foxx wearing a dog collar and i have a recording of him in Sweden where he' seems to be identifying with the punk movement in 77 but Devoto was part of the original punk scene .Real life is the turning point i prefer to call it evolution rather then post punk That album was a fantastic album and gave people a glimmer of where punk could evolve into .That and 2nd Daylight i still play regularly now .I loved the restrained aggression that builds up in some of the songs You can feel the tension building .I saw Magazine play quite a few times .great band live as well .I was lucky to see Wire in all their periods of development from Pink Flag to silver lead .The first 3 are still the best for me but you can see their development as their music evolves .Even to this day they never stand still always changing and developing their sound but as far as i'm aware they don't call it Post Punk ? I find the whole Joy Division story quite sad really .It seems Ian was isolated by everything and everyone around him .His music was his only outlet .The only person who seemed to get him was that Belgium lass he had an affair with .That must have been difficult for him and it shows in his lyrics .Personally i saw Joy Division about 3 times and i didn't like them .i don't really recall anyone liking them when he was alive .I spoke to friends in Manchester and they weren't really liked there either .I think it was more to do with some of the band members attitudes then music ,but it put people off listening to them .They were just starting to get popular when Ian took his own life . in the last few years though it feels like the Joy Division camp are trying to re write history and make them more important then they were .And to some people they were but i don't think they deserve their new elevated position based on what i saw and other friends i know who saw them .It's quite possible that is Ian hadn't taken his life they could have gone on to be a great band . I saw Gang of Four tons of times as they were quite local in Leeds They played with the Mekons quite a few times .both bands had some great songs but i personally didn't see much difference in their material but i don't think i saw them when they were singing that album Entertainment . I never really got into PIL's music i bought the first lp and the single when they came out .. The single was ok but the only track i liked off the album was Religion . I used the accapalla beginning years later mixing it over a trance record and it worked great .One band i remember watching at that time who i thought were a good evolutionary punk band were Theatre of Hate .Most of the members had been in punk bands from 77 /78 so they'd been about a bit and Theatre of Hate retained the energy of punk but was more melodic . Anyway we all have our opinions I'm not saying I'm right i'm just sharing my memories which are not always 100% accurate after all this time take care
This clip appeared today on my recommended list and I must say that the author did an excellent job on the topic. I mean, picking 5 albums from this highly important and influential era is not an easy task at all. Being a witness of this period I might have made a different selection but this could easily be the ultimate ranking. Thanks for this video and very well done!
I appreciate the detail and depth in all the Deep Cuts videos I've watched so far. However, i'm surprised no albums by either The Fall or Pere Ubu made this list. For me these are two of the most important bands regardless of genre. I'd love to see a full guide for either band or even a parallel discussion as their career trajectory is quite similar in some regards.
Guides you have to do: alternative rock, stoner rock, and blues. PLEASE! Btw keep doing what your doing this is a unique music channel and it's very original
Mission of Burma, great boston post punk band. V.S. and signals, calls, and marches are some amazing albums
They are more post-HC,great band,try some MOVING TARGETS
The sound is the best post punk band ever, hands down.
From the lions mouth is a masterpiece, yet criminally underrated
ultravox - Ha ha ha (1979 I think) was my first contact with the harder side of Pop. It's totally band/guitar driven except the last track Hiroshima, mon amour, which hints at their future style, but the rest of the album is everything, what Post-Punk is about.
I recommend Josef K - The Only Fun In Town
Some of my other fav post punk albums are
This heat- deceit
The pop group- y
The slits- cut
The raincoats- oddyshape
This Heat - Deceit is so good!
Cameron Wade Shame how nobody seems to talk about The Raincoats. Very cool band.
Y is fantastic
I came of age in the time of grunge and didn't discover post punk until much later. I can't get over how influential and much better post punk was.
Well four out of five of my fave childhood albums! Great overview and analysis of all 5, a really good introduction for those not familiar with these works. Very well presented and informative video that does justice to some old classics and hopefully finds them some new fans. Impressive.
A few that could have made the list were from two artists from the other side of the pond; Misson of Burma & Husker Du. I guess you could also say they were Post-Hardcore, since both started in the American Hardcore Punk scene of the late 70's/early 80's. Mission of Burma's "Vs".from 1982 is magnificent. For Husker Du, their 1984 double LP "Zen Arcade" is their most lauded. But for my personal tastes, I prefer Husker Du's "New Day Rising" from a year later. Yeah, "Zen Arcade" is more experimental & ambitious, but "New Day Rising" seems more fully realized in sound, yet still staying true to the spirit of Post-Punk. So yeah, if haven't heard those, you will be the better for listening to those seminal Post-Punk albums.
Big Wire fan, saw them live in 77, good choice young man ;-)
Solid list and a good starting point for new listeners. I would also suggest The Sound and their album From the Lion's Mouth. If you like that, then check out This Heat and their album Deceit. Marquee Moon by Television is another fine album. Such an exciting period for music.
if Gang of Four (Entertainment!) and Magazine (Real Life) are missing from this list I will cry in a corner
I was hoping to see Entertainment! Here too.... I personally don't consider Unknown Pleasures to be post-punk at all. I'd probably call that album new wave
@@andrewsandberg8504 Unknown Pleasures isn't new wave, it's as post-punk as you can get, plus Entertainment! is a completely different style of post-punk from Unknown Pleasures
I'd wedge The Monochrome Set's "Love Zombies" LP in there somewhere...all are solid choices, especially Wire's "Chairs Missing" which is an unmitigated classic, no question - a damned near perfect record, imo...
I've watched a number of 'post-punk' based channels on YT, their essential albums and Top 10's....... In all of those AND in all the attached comments this is the first mention of The Monochrome Set. IMO a criminally underrated band who are phenomenal songwriters !
Metal Box, one of the best albums of all time imo.
Dewy Healy Flowers of Romance was quite good as well.
Unbelievable record
Dewy Healy Public image is also pretty amazing!
You can't go wrong with Death Disco.....a track that has an anti tank bassline that still punish as it did in 1980 when I first heard it....
On the subject of WIRE, your second choice here, people interested in the postpunk 'sound' should be aware of Brian Eno's first four albums: Here Come the Warm Jets, Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy, Another Green World and Before and After Science. Although featuring many old guard musicians, Eno's approach to writing songs could easily be a blueprint for much of the more arty postpunkers, such as WIRE. No coincidence then that Colin Newman knew Eno from his art school days?
One proviso to this is that *singles* were just as crucial to this period as albums and you'll miss a lot of the best post punk music if you don't pay attention to them (including groups who only had a couple of great songs in them).
Unknown Pleasures is iconic
Closer grows in you
Two of the most heartfelt albums ever created.
Closer is definitely better than Unknown Pleasures. More ambitious, and Ian Curtis' vocals are even more ghostly.
I do absolutely love Closer, a very different beast to unknown pleasures
Alexander Gonzalez Unknown pleasure is more true to the idea of Post Punk and is much more influential than closer, in my opinion.
u like closer more simply bcs its not as popular as unkown pleasure u fucking pretensious hipster fuck u poser go 2 hell
Ian Curtis really has a more depressing and ghostly sound to his vocals in closer because he very much was closer to death and crippling depression
@@youlose6822 Actually, Bernard Sumner has said that Closer was closer to the sound he wanted. In addition, Ian Curtis was writing about himself as opposed to other individuals as he did for Unknown Pleasures. The soundscapes on Closer are darker and more atmospheric. A more realized band musically. Nothing "Hipster" about the facts.
6:22 love that he corrects himself after saying thought like an American
Hey Oliver you should make playlists on Spotify or whatever so people can listen to all the music you discuss. I know all the post-punk stuff you mentioned but many of the other genres you talk about it'd be great to have an accompanying playlist. or just a playlist of stuff you listen to day to day. I'd be interested in listening.
For the most part Post Punk is Punk. There was such a variety of sound in Punk from the very beginning. Bands from the first wave of Punk are now called Post Punk. Wire being just one example.