@@expert3iii nah asrock just didn't put time into designing their z490 because they invested into b550 instead... their lineup is actually pretty good, pricing (for me) is comparable to b450, and that's impressive because they have more features and same quality or better as b450.
This has been a problem for quite some time when it comes to Intel mobos. High quality b-series boards go to waste cause everything is locked and on the other hand the similary priced low end z-series boards are absolute garbage most of the time.
They could give a fixed OCable range like say extra 300Mhz. Depending on price B360 can be differentiated as 100Mhz boost for low budget, 200 for middle pack and 300Mhz for most premium B460 mobos
I wish Steve could take out the hammer printed on his hoodie to smash those junk Asrock boards which couldn't run the CPU at stock frequency. In that way, Asrock will definitely remember him.
@@chadmckean9026 Yes, hopefully they will be sent all of the flagship boards, and only need to buy a few of the cheap models that the AIBs don't want reviewed. Then, we can all enjoy the content when they roast the flawed budget boards for cutting corners!
Most of the motherboard manufacturers (including MSI) have put information about the VRMs on their product pages for B550. The B550 Mortar has an 8+2 power phase design with 60A Infineon PowlRStage Power Phases, and the Tomahawk is 10+2. This is a huge upgrade over the 4-phase discrete-mosfet designs we got on the B450 Mortar and Tomahawk, and only very slightly behind the 12+2 phase design on the X570 Tomahawk. Assuming MSI don't screw anything up with the other components (I'm not really sure if it would be possible to screw up the rest of the design badly enough to negate 10x60A phases) the B550 Mortar and Tomahawk are going to be exceptionally good overclocking boards. The price is rumoured to be above $150 though, which is disappointing. The B550 A-Pro might be the true replacement for the B450 Mortar and Tomahawk - it uses discrete mosfets, and only has one low-side mosfet per phase compared to 2 on the B450s, but is 10+2-phase, so should still be better than the B450 Mortar and Tomahawk. I'm wondering if this is all because customers have started talking more about VRMs, so a better VRM is now a major selling point; or whether this is because Zen 3 will use much more power than Zen 2.
@@nathangamble125i believe it's mostly because of many channels like this who are doing proper testing of lots of board models, so the manufacturers can't get away with this shit so easily, asrock in this case. customers are much more aware of how a board truely performs under real testing. keep these channels alive!!!!!
Any chance for a 10700/F (non-K) review with different boards? The price isn't completely outrageous here so it could actually make sense to get it if it can boost properly on any decently priced boards.
Allowing b460 mobo to use 3200mhz ram and unlocking every cpu on B and Z mobos would've been a great step forward from previous gen, but intel insists on intensionally crippling their products.
Ah chipset prices, also I think asrock simply didn't care. From their point of view nobody is interest in intel platform so they puts all of their focus on b550, those boards are good.
@Surge Of Murderous Intent They're banking on the fact that a solid 97% of buyers are lightweight users/pseudo-enthusiasts that don't ever actually push their hardware anywhere close to the upper limits. Mid-tier boards are and always have been the 'sweet spot' for anyone that legitimately does push their hardware(and, when you consider how massively overpowered today's hardware is compared to the softwares ability to utilize said hardware potential, most people can't push their hardware without synthetics artificially doing it for them), because high end boards are overbuilt beyond the CPUs ability to actually benefit from it, and obviously cheaper boards are, well, cheap, and aimed at the aforementioned typical user that can't/doesn't push their hardware) There is no 'slight' here, Intel doesn't give a damn, because there aren't enough users pushing the hardware to even experience a failure on even these awful ASRock boards - nevermind that a board failure makes the board manufacturer look bad, not the CPU manufacturer. Intel gets their royalty checks for each chipset sold, they're getting their money from these.
It definitely shouldn't excuse AsRock for making such a shitty board (first bad board I see from them), but indeed the LGA1200 is a crap platform. Board partners were expecting to see the actual CPUs at CES in January this year - as the boards themselves were ready. Intel may not care of the value of this platform, but the board partners do - as they are the one who are gonna make boards that are just gonna sit in the stores, unable to drop prices as intel won't do it themselves - even if the mobos get a discount you wouldn't be able to get a CPU - just look at how old gen i-crap sits at it's launch price. Sure, intel probably offers "discounts" for laptop CPUs (the "" as they are intended for the lack of Renoir in laptops), the thing is AsRock doesn't produce laptops. This may be the reason for the crappy boards, it's still real shame how they ruin their good reputation.
I have the MSI B460M Mortar with a 10700f... 4.6 on all cores (with aftermarket cooler) I did my research before buying the Asrock Steel Legend Z490 for $40 more...Asrock really stubbed their toes on the 10th gen motherboards.
It is crazy when you compare the Asrock X570 phantom gaming 4 to the Z490 phantom gaming 4, essentially the same board but different chipsets. However the AMD board is loaded with additional features, 6x USB 3.2 (Compared to 2), 2x Pcie 4.0 M.2 slots vs 1 Pcie 3.0 on the Z490, 8x sata connectors vs 6. as well as additional stuff it also looks to have larger heat sinks on the VRM and it looks a more premium board. It is just like the Intel board was forced to be cut down on features for some reason, and that can only be to increase margins for Asrock. I am guessing Intel will be charging more for their chipset than AMD? It would be interesting to see if the X570 board has a better VRM as it just states a 10 phase VRM on the website. They still spout the unmatched overclocking garbage as well.
The heatsink on the vrm looks very similar to the heatsink on my b450 pro4, which has quite a bit smaller power delivery. 105w I think. I agree that some of the parts seem to be chosen by the accountants. As far as I know, asrock are the only motherboards manufactured outside of China. Shame to put out such an underwhelming product.
ASRock: hey, look a midrange AMD chipset! OHMYGOD! PUT OUR BEST VRM ON IT RIGHT NOW! Also ASRock: oh, some premium chipset from Intel? No. You can't have 16 phases. What do I look like? You think I'm made of power stages or something?
@walentaz Buildzoid went over them and based on what we know so far, they look solid. VRMs ofc need testing but they *look* good, IO etc is better than on z490
@walentaz All you had to do was read through the specs when they were released/leaked since 21st of May. The Taichi B550 for example is the best board out of any brand for B550. There's still the chance of a bugged BIOS or whatever.. but in terms of raw hardware specs, the B550 boards are very good. Asrock especially. The other 3 brands have some compromises, even when buying the most expensive board. One of them loses 2 sata ports (only 4 sata ports), and the others disable a PCIE slot, when second m.2 drive is used. All board makers high end boards have USB Flashback and CMOS reset on back panel. Gigabyte board doesn't have an internal 3.1 gen 2 header. VRM on all of them are solid but VRM isn't a big issue either way because 3000 series is 7nm and doesn't have huge power requirements. Overclocking doesn't yield much in terms of performance and just jacks up the power consumption for little in return.
Yeah, Yet they don't get the same praise, if you are just gaming & only have a GPU there really isn't a need for a ATX, M-ATX is cheaper for M/B & case, here in Australia I saved $30 getting the Mortar & $40 by Getting a Meshify C Mini which allowed me to get a RX580 instead of a RX570 when I built my Gaming PC early last year 😁
I've noticed in a few high-end motherboards I've started to hear coil-whine. Any idea what could be causing that? Something interesting to note is that by dropping 'maximum cpu usage' to 99%, it lowered the volume of the coil whine significantly from the MOBO.
I'm glad you guys are testing VRMs on these new boards. I've been seeing many crappy Z490 boards on the market lately. When you folks do get the chance and opportunity, will you guys test the motherboard power limit boosting for non K CPUs? (Example ASRock BFB, ASUS APE and MSI's "whatever they call it") I think it would be a nice comparison against Intel stock PL settings. If the performance uplift is good, this would be great for B and H series boards with a non K CPU. People who are not looking to overclock but get max performance out of a regular cpu by lifting the stock power limits will save tons of money for a better cooler and GPU that way.
Steve, I'd really appreciate a review of the Asus Maximus XII Formula. Almost no one has given any coverage to this board, and it sits at a much more affordable price point than the Extreme, while retaining the same VRM configuration. I've just purchased a 10900K, and would really like to know whether I should go for the Formula, or the Hero...
I have a question! I want to build a new PC and I don't know what to buy. I want to buy i5 10400f with b460 but it only supports 2933mhz ram and I want to buy 3000mhz ram, will it work? And am I going to lose a lot of performace without a z490 board?
friend the 10 generation i5 processors by default only accept memories at the frequency of 2666 to run at 3000mhz you would have to buy a motherboard z490, or if you install a 10 generation i7 or i9 on the b460 board it will work at 2933
I think that depending on the game the frequency memories from 2666 to 3000mhz should give a gain of 5 to 10fps in games, see my case I bought an i9 10900 version without ok this to arrive I have 2 memory sticks ram ddr4 3000mhz xpg adata tuf d41 these memories I managed to make over in a z390 with an i7 8700 at 3400mhz old kit, I intend to use these memories with the i9 but the motherboard is missing a b460 msi mortar here in brazil and 1100 reais a more basic z490 from msi z490a pro costs 1400 reais , if you have money left I think it's worth taking a more expensive card, in my case I think I'll go on the cheapest b460 and put these ram at 2933 this pandemic season broke my legs kkk it was worth a hug
you installed the AIO rad incorrectly, that rad should be installed on the top of a Tower to prevent any and all air (even as little as it might be) from pooling up in the end of the rad where the hoses that push and pull fluid to and from the CPU pump. it causes inconsistent CPU temps and can cause spiking from time to time from the air that temporarily gets trapped in the CPU pump. In these instances AIO's like 120mm should be installed rear/hoses down and you typical 240-360mm should be installed(if room is applicable in your tower)top mount/hoses face down, always to keep any and all air still in these AIO's away from the pump hoses... you will always see more consistent temps/ and should never see mild spiking when CPU is not under any real load. ON another note love watching your videos and as always love your tech input.
Before you shift to B550 would you guys be able to do a shoot out between the Asus Z490 TUF Gaming, GB Aorus Elite, MSi Tomahawk and ASRock equivalent? These seem to be the 'sweet spot' tier for value + OC performance Z490 boards
Yeah it really sucks that we can't OC the ram on the "locked" motherboards. For that reason alone I went with the Asus Z490 Prime, since I actually went with a locked i7-10700. I just really wanted to crank the memory speed to 3600 since there's really very little premium for buying such ram kits, and there is some benefit to be had from it. Perhaps more benefit than overclocking the core from the 4.8 it will do out of the box to the 5.1 or 5.2 you might could get with a mondo heatsink and power and heat and potentially noise.
@@AlexisyFR Well 350 boards turned up to be very good-even better than 450 mobos. I got 2 of them and they are pretty good-with upgraded bios to support 3000 series -and as I heard there will be 4000 series support too!
I think the chipset price is probably the biggest factor. I've heard rumors that it could cost over $50. I have no idea what the B460 chipset costs, but that could be $30-40 difference there. I also haven't seen whether the B series chipsets will support PCIE 4. If they don't, you could see significant savings from reduced layers, lack of redrivers or reduced shielding. Intel's production might be so bottlenecked on 14nm that it won't make a difference for this generation, but if they want to compete in the hobbyist space again, they're going to have to release some shackles. A good start would be the H*70 line. Opening XMP to 3600MHz, and allowing MB makers and users to reconfigure PL1, PL2 and tau would be a good place to start.
yep like you said the value of the processor itself is almost there, especially with the 10600k. But when factoring in the motherboard + ram price a decent motherboard is just a lot more expensive then AMD options and like seen with the 10400 you do also need some fast ram with this intel generation. Is Memory overclocking supported for those B460 boards? If not gaming performance will still be behind that of Z490 boards making the ""5-7% more fps with Intel" even more irrelevant. Then price might be similar with a B460 and gaming performance as well, just one huge argument that AMD is much faster in other applications and a future upgrade to Zen 3 on AM4 will be much more exciting then to 11th gen on LGA1200... Complete systems with 3700x vs 10600k would make for a very interesting video explaining the pro's and cons of each. always great videos here to watch, great stuff keep it up!
@@420247paul Lets build a CPU + CPU cooler + MoBo + Graphics card system for 1000$, I'd say that's a reasonable example for a 3700x vs 10600k comparison. I'm not American but I'll take all the prices from newegg.com. system 1, AMD: - 3700x: 275$ - B450 Tomahawk Max: 130$ (price before covid, where I live it is still available for the normal price) - DDR4 3200: 75$ - Stock cooler is good for stock operation, I've found on my 3600 that some decent binning can reduce temps because it can run the advertised boost speeds at much lower temps. I'm confident it will handle a quick overclock, but I guess I'll just say that it can't to keep it simple. - money left for graphics: 520$ system 2, Intel: - 10600k: 270$ (unavailability and covid made it 370$ but this would be theoretical) - MSI Z490-A PRO: 160$ - DDR4 3200: 75$ - Stock cooler is all right for stock operation, but definitely not for overclocking at all. So to make use of Z490 overclocking, good value cooler is the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO: 50$ - money left for graphics: 445$ system 3, also Intel: - 10600k: 270$ - MSI MAG B460 MORTAR: 115$ - DDR4 3200: 75$ (2933 is more expensive... ) - We're not overclocking this of course, so stock cooler will do because I am generous? - money left for graphics: 540$ lets talk performance, first is production benchmarks where the 3700x is 31.1% faster if we take the average from multi core benchmark results from the comparison on this channel. For gaming at 1080p with a 2080ti the 10600k is 5.5% faster on average, 1% low is 3.5% faster with the Intel chip. This is all with power limits removed, I'm not sure the 10600k stock cooler can handle that, but anyway. For eSports/high fps titles (tested in a separate video) the 10600k is 8.3% faster on average with a 2080ti, but with the 2060 Super there is no difference in those eSports games. So the AMD system is 31% ahead in production workloads, system 2 partners the Intel chip with nice memory, motherboard and cooler, but now is significantly more expensive than the AMD system so you end up with less for the graphics card, thus you end up hurting gaming performance as well... system 3 fixes the extra cost issue, but with RAM on 2933 and a stock cooler the 5% theoretical lead will be reduced to nothing (innoticable) and you're still behind in production workloads by 31%... No 500$ graphics card will ever be able to tell the difference between these 2 chips, not even a 2060 Super (400/450$) in high fps titles. With a 2080Ti the difference is 153 vs 145 fps, with less of a graphics card there is no difference. Going with the 10600k will just lose you 30% production performance, and money as well if you go Z490. The Intel system also used 20% more power with an all core workload, and has a worse stock cooler. Zen 3 on AM4 is most likely going to be much more of an upgrade vs 11th gen on LGA1200, both will not receive more generations after that. No need to argue with it anymore, the numbers speak for themselves.
Might be a noob question. But the text saying "Fans not controlled by the motherboard", have i missed something here? I mean, i have not followed up on the newer AIOs from Corsair or from any manufacturer. Have they changed something or what am i missing? 🤔
im trynna build a pc and the i5 10400f is 45euro cheaper as the ryzen 5 3600 in germany . You cant overclock the i5 would it make any sense for me to buy a z490 motherboard or should i pickup the msi b460m mortar which you showed in the video btw this motherboard is only 95euro in germany
plz answer. I wonder if i7 10700 will work smoothly with Asrock H410m-hvs Mobo or either way I should get B or Z Mobo for more phase to work without any problem?
Hmm..My thoughts is this might be an Indicator of what is expected to sell well. Are other B460 boards priced similarly to the Mortar equally well built? Or are we looking at the rockstar of the B460's?
Hey steve, for those of us on microatx form factor, any info on those motherboards? What do you think is the best value and for overclocking the i5 or i7? I went with msi mpg z490m gaming edge because it seemed the larger models were doing decent in the temps department, and it had the beefiest vrms and decent price.
People still buying intel ? Well they still are the best for gaming but if you're doing anything else then no. And honestly if all you're doing is gaming I wouldn't really be telling everyone because it's kind of embarrassing that you only game like a little kid and you don't do anything productive and have any plans of doing real grown up stuff with your pc and for the arm and the leg that Intel is charging for little bit of gains its quite honestly embarrassed to share that you're buying Intel right now
Nobody wants if fixed :P We play "caption bingo" until we get all the wonky permutations RUclips can come up with. So far I've got "Hammer on box", "Harbor box" "Harward uhm boxed" and "Harbor Unboxed" but I've seen others report some I haven't gotten yet... So join the caption bingo club today! :P
@@asuraValo-001 my h410 motherboard is damaged without a reason after install gix4s hsf. Now i want a motherboard with a feature extra protection and performance so i look for b460 series
Imagine an unlocked B460 and an unlocked 10400. That would mean Intel are decently competitive, but now, it all has to be artificially locked, so you are forced to buy more expensive and sometimes inferior parts. Thank god AMD doesn't lock their boards/CPUs.
G'day Steve & Teddy Jr., Even if H410 stayed as is & then allowing XMP & Ringbus support on B460 while locking the Multiplier would be a massive improvement for customers with Non K CPU to get Way better performance as G/N Showed, also just having a look at comparative H410 to A320 & B460 to B450 here in Sydney the Intel M/B is between $30-$50AUD more expensive, it really makes it hard to justify Intel when building a Low Budget PC
Intel *only* makes sense if you are into "high refresh competitive gaming" on top shelf GPUs. In every single other case you are better off with an AMD CPU these days.
Thank you for all the info ,I am 72 and already on my first cp for gaming looks like I must upgrade to a better amd system . My budget is in the area of 3000 dollars what do you recommend?
Depends on your use case and preferences... Iwould wait a few months until Zen3, RDNA2 and Ampere benchmarks, reviews and recommendations have come out though. (In the meantime the 3800XT might take the gaming CPU crown in a couple of weeks)
I'd say that spending $3000 is probably not necessary, as the cost increase of higher-end components is usually not worth the small benefit you get from those components over slightly lower-end options. I'd personally go for something closer to $2000, but if you're sure you want to spend $3000 it does give you some freedom to choose the absolute best components with no compromises. As others have said, it might also be worth waiting a couple of months to buy an RDNA2 or Ampere graphics card when they come out, but there's nothing stopping you getting a PC now with a cheaper graphics card and then upgrading, especially if you're willing to spend $3000 on it. You could sell the old GPU or give it to someone else who wants it. Are you planning to build it yourself, or buy a complete PC? If you're planning to buy a complete system rather than build, a custom PC company like CyberPower or iBuyPower would be good options to consider, as they are usually cheaper than the big brands like Dell and HP, and let you choose components and customise your system much more.
@Hardware Unboxed Any chance you could run your CPU suite on a R5 2600X? It's often very hard to gauge where it falls between 2600, 2700X and 3600, especially in gaming and there are pretty big gaps among those chips. I believe this would be a good dataset to have for the upcoming 4000-series benchmarks. It could also be interesting to inspect and compare the energy efficiency of this chip, I feel like it might be one of the worst Ryzens out there, especially when you pop PBO.
@@Hardwareunboxed I respect your answer about time usage, especially since you're replying to youtube comments on bloody Sunday. But I've seen that video and I'm not sure it answers my question. All encompassing "7% faster" means very little to me and most likely doesn't translate directly to FPS numbers on most occasions. But you do whatever seems best, can't cater to every request, take care.
so the best motherboard for i9 10900k oc would be Asus prime Z490-P am i right? pls let me know im planning on building a pc with i9 10900k i wish to oc to 5.1 5.2ghz which mobo would you recommend me? also i'll be using cpu aio cooler
Personally I am interested much more in the lower tier motherboards reviews, since I don't have neither the budget nor the need for "gaming" ones, with fancy PCIe 4, 500 watt class VRM for $1000 class CPUs, sub-zero overclocking features, wi-fi 6, etc. And I'm sure most of the consumers and "PC enthusiasts" in the world don't need or can't afford all that either. Sure, it's not nearly as fancy or sexy as are builds with RGB enabled AIO that alone cost nearly the same as budget mobo/CPU/GPU.
Thanks for doing what you do. This info is invaluable for those of us without the money to test all this hardware. Trusting a brand only takes you so far like we see with Gigabyte, though in this case i’d be glad I usually get MSI boards.
According to this video you can, but just with 4,8 Ghz (instead of 5.2) CPU Boost and 2933 Mhz slower RAM. A decent Z490 like the Gigabyte Gaming X is superior even without OC. A cheaper 10700 should perform similar on a B-Board. So why do you buy a K-processor at all?
@@frankneugebauer6455 Maybe he's using it for music production where clock speed & single core performance is important. I'm on a 10850k with the B460 Mortar for production and it's a beast.
I did not expect it to be possible to remove the TDP limits on the B460 board, too bad about XMP though if it had that even it was just allowed for k-sku CPUs
I got a MSI B460M Mortar and after 6 months all the usb`s on the motherboard stopped working, something no one seems to know why. Would love to know your opinian?
As i build mostly with locked ES processors, i would love to get more coverage on lower end intel mobos to see how they perform in term of efficiency and features, as i do not need any overclock feature (i have to go intel because of the OS i install on those system)
Yeah the Z490 lineup so far does not seem to make sense at all. If anything it would make sense to stick with the 9900K and Z390 until the next gen Intel offerings. Simply looking at the cost to performance difference between the two generations there is little incentive to upgrade in my opinion. Although I would like to see you guys include some ITX boards in these lineups as well, perhaps it is a different story there?
You are right, if you already have an 9900k there is no point in upgrading. You already have an top of the line CPU, it will last you for years. Save your cash for RTX 3000/RDNA2 or an new PC build a couple of gens from now with DDR5 PCIE-4.0/5.0
@@joeyvdm1 especially for some of us in South Africa, importing parts costs an arm an a leg so when we invest, we want to have atleast something that will be around for a while. I got an X570 setup right now and waiting to see what AMD brings in September or so on the GPU and CPU front or get a deal on an RTX 2080Ti if it goes down reasonably and will wait for RTX 3K series to mature (and will probably take its time getting here anyways)
I'll have emit that if these b460 where unlocked I would consider them for more then a few seconds unlike now. The socket support time length is to short, 3-4 years should be the rule. Sticking to X570 with zen3 until after atleast 2 years into DDR5 release, hopefully there is something more to think about by that time in the CPU space.
Probably you won't see this, but can you have a go at x370 and 3900x . Loads of people are looking for this and there is nothing. Just got one for 370€ to puto on my x370 gaming pro carbon hope it works :). Bios updates done just waiting for the cpu. Good work keep it going
The MSI Mortar series motherboards are very solid for B-series. The B450M Mortar was also very good. I wish MSI contribute to the mATX form-factor and release enthusiast grade Mortar motherboards.
Im buying a prebuild off build redux and my build only lets you go with Z490 Chipset | INTEL so is that bad because the cpu it comes with is a intel i7 10700k
I think if Intel ever unlocked multiplier overclocing on B and H series chipsets (which they probably won't for the foreseeable future) then they should make it optional for motherboard vendors. Trying to overclock on a low-end office grade B or H motherboard would end in a disaster or disappointment for most. But for boards like this B460 Mortar overclocking should be unlocked, it's sad to see a good board not live up to its potential.
@@Hardwareunboxed You would think that having to support 8 less pci lanes and less USB/usb3 ports as well as the cheaper chipset cost would free up money to go toward better vrms. I agree with your conclusion and I'm glad I wasn't eyeing either of these boards. It's a shame they produce boards that are so bad. Thanks for warning us.
Good stuff, I'd like to see mid range z490, like asus tuf, I have one and would like to see how it compares.Poor asrock, I have several ones from them x570 tiachi and they were good, that was a true disappointment to see poor boards sent out from them for z490
for the overclock it is not recommended, better avoid it. instead (example) I've noticed the B560 Pro AX has more capacitors and mosfets to provide better Ampers balance and temperature. And so with other models, there are good options with good "VRM" components for OverC
"Gigabyte Z490M" please (or the same board with Wi-Fi), very nice looking and cheap MB, but i want to know about it VRM temps before i buy it, please........
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AS Rock: "It's time our industry moved away from benchmarks..."
🤣🤣🤣 nice one!
It's whats in our hearts that counts... hopefully your hard earned cash!
more like "ist time for our company to leave Intel behind and fully concentrate on AMD"
What is AsRock smoking? I need some of that!
@@expert3iii nah asrock just didn't put time into designing their z490 because they invested into b550 instead... their lineup is actually pretty good, pricing (for me) is comparable to b450, and that's impressive because they have more features and same quality or better as b450.
Ah yes my favorite channel Hammer on Box. Exactly what I subscribed for, keep it up!
Harbor unboxed*
Ikr lol
@@Saigonas it doesnt say that anywhere. Lol
@@computerman9971 Turn on the captions.
@@Doyyumhwaji o lol
When everyone's roasting intel even intel starts to roast intel
Man, that's good one
Well I dont think any other youtuber dislikes Intel more than Steve does :)
@@AndrewTSq He doesn't hate them. He just like thing that make sense and give good value. If intel changes their behavior he would be happy for sure
I mean AMDs crappiest A320 can run 16 core 32 thread 3950x stock with zero issue, this makes some crap z490 look really bad.
@@railshot888 you are full of doodoo
This has been a problem for quite some time when it comes to Intel mobos. High quality b-series boards go to waste cause everything is locked and on the other hand the similary priced low end z-series boards are absolute garbage most of the time.
It's 2020. Why are they still locking stuff down at all?
@@SirNickyT money
@@SirNickyT still try to milk us f*ck intel
They could give a fixed OCable range like say extra 300Mhz. Depending on price B360 can be differentiated as 100Mhz boost for low budget, 200 for middle pack and 300Mhz for most premium B460 mobos
Also the biggest fucking problem is thier low end z boards are priced high as fuck 179.99+ when a 98.99$ b450 is 400% better
I'm sure ASRock will always remember you Steve
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Well they felt so much confidence in their boards they sent 2 in for review, oh wait a minute...
in all honesty they roasted msi for their initial x570 lineup, but it seems msi listens...
@@KleMih but the x570 tomahawk still not available.
@@waifuhunter9815 well some have it (not me) :) also unify is good for ~300$ however all other under 400$ lineup kinda sucks...
I wish Steve could take out the hammer printed on his hoodie to smash those junk Asrock boards which couldn't run the CPU at stock frequency. In that way, Asrock will definitely remember him.
You are correct; I would prefer that you put that money towards buying every B550 motherboard.
Every.. single.. one.
damn right! im waiting for reviews before i will buy the new B550 i hope he will post the reviews really fast :D
Really hope they get a LOT of review samples, cause that is a LOT of money, those boards are not cheap man especially at launch
@@chadmckean9026
Yes, hopefully they will be sent all of the flagship boards, and only need to buy a few of the cheap models that the AIBs don't want reviewed.
Then, we can all enjoy the content when they roast the flawed budget boards for cutting corners!
Oh, and that's not just every _model_ of B550. That's _every_ B550 motherboard!!! Let's have a Harbour Unboxed monopoly on B550 boards!
They increased the price by 70%, they better be good.
I hope that MSI keeps up this trend of high quality VRMs on B550 Mortar and Tomahawk
They increased the price by 70% compared to B450, they better be good.
Most of the motherboard manufacturers (including MSI) have put information about the VRMs on their product pages for B550.
The B550 Mortar has an 8+2 power phase design with 60A Infineon PowlRStage Power Phases, and the Tomahawk is 10+2. This is a huge upgrade over the 4-phase discrete-mosfet designs we got on the B450 Mortar and Tomahawk, and only very slightly behind the 12+2 phase design on the X570 Tomahawk.
Assuming MSI don't screw anything up with the other components (I'm not really sure if it would be possible to screw up the rest of the design badly enough to negate 10x60A phases) the B550 Mortar and Tomahawk are going to be exceptionally good overclocking boards. The price is rumoured to be above $150 though, which is disappointing.
The B550 A-Pro might be the true replacement for the B450 Mortar and Tomahawk - it uses discrete mosfets, and only has one low-side mosfet per phase compared to 2 on the B450s, but is 10+2-phase, so should still be better than the B450 Mortar and Tomahawk.
I'm wondering if this is all because customers have started talking more about VRMs, so a better VRM is now a major selling point; or whether this is because Zen 3 will use much more power than Zen 2.
@@nathangamble125i believe it's mostly because of many channels like this who are doing proper testing of lots of board models, so the manufacturers can't get away with this shit so easily, asrock in this case. customers are much more aware of how a board truely performs under real testing. keep these channels alive!!!!!
170$ for a board? is this amd ?
@@yvonnebong3371 IKR teh B550m mortar and b460m mortar look EXACTLY THE SAME! Same parts and everthing but teh b550 is 50 more expensive.
Any chance for a 10700/F (non-K) review with different boards? The price isn't completely outrageous here so it could actually make sense to get it if it can boost properly on any decently priced boards.
I hope that you get better soon! Great stuff, as always mate. :)
At this rate Steve soon would be known as the Hoodie man.
I thought he was the Monitor Steve? XD
...If only this could take 3200mhz RAM.
Even AMD's a320 has that option.
Allowing b460 mobo to use 3200mhz ram and unlocking every cpu on B and Z mobos would've been a great step forward from previous gen, but intel insists on intensionally crippling their products.
Ah chipset prices, also I think asrock simply didn't care.
From their point of view nobody is interest in intel platform so they puts all of their focus on b550, those boards are good.
@Surge Of Murderous Intent They're banking on the fact that a solid 97% of buyers are lightweight users/pseudo-enthusiasts that don't ever actually push their hardware anywhere close to the upper limits.
Mid-tier boards are and always have been the 'sweet spot' for anyone that legitimately does push their hardware(and, when you consider how massively overpowered today's hardware is compared to the softwares ability to utilize said hardware potential, most people can't push their hardware without synthetics artificially doing it for them), because high end boards are overbuilt beyond the CPUs ability to actually benefit from it, and obviously cheaper boards are, well, cheap, and aimed at the aforementioned typical user that can't/doesn't push their hardware)
There is no 'slight' here, Intel doesn't give a damn, because there aren't enough users pushing the hardware to even experience a failure on even these awful ASRock boards - nevermind that a board failure makes the board manufacturer look bad, not the CPU manufacturer.
Intel gets their royalty checks for each chipset sold, they're getting their money from these.
Are motherboard manufacturers treating the latest Intel platform the way they used to treat AMD's?!
It definitely shouldn't excuse AsRock for making such a shitty board (first bad board I see from them), but indeed the LGA1200 is a crap platform. Board partners were expecting to see the actual CPUs at CES in January this year - as the boards themselves were ready. Intel may not care of the value of this platform, but the board partners do - as they are the one who are gonna make boards that are just gonna sit in the stores, unable to drop prices as intel won't do it themselves - even if the mobos get a discount you wouldn't be able to get a CPU - just look at how old gen i-crap sits at it's launch price.
Sure, intel probably offers "discounts" for laptop CPUs (the "" as they are intended for the lack of Renoir in laptops), the thing is AsRock doesn't produce laptops. This may be the reason for the crappy boards, it's still real shame how they ruin their good reputation.
Short answer - Yes.
I have the MSI B460M Mortar with a 10700f... 4.6 on all cores (with aftermarket cooler) I did my research before buying the Asrock Steel Legend Z490 for $40 more...Asrock really stubbed their toes on the 10th gen motherboards.
It is crazy when you compare the Asrock X570 phantom gaming 4 to the Z490 phantom gaming 4, essentially the same board but different chipsets. However the AMD board is loaded with additional features, 6x USB 3.2 (Compared to 2), 2x Pcie 4.0 M.2 slots vs 1 Pcie 3.0 on the Z490, 8x sata connectors vs 6. as well as additional stuff it also looks to have larger heat sinks on the VRM and it looks a more premium board. It is just like the Intel board was forced to be cut down on features for some reason, and that can only be to increase margins for Asrock. I am guessing Intel will be charging more for their chipset than AMD? It would be interesting to see if the X570 board has a better VRM as it just states a 10 phase VRM on the website. They still spout the unmatched overclocking garbage as well.
The heatsink on the vrm looks very similar to the heatsink on my b450 pro4, which has quite a bit smaller power delivery. 105w I think. I agree that some of the parts seem to be chosen by the accountants.
As far as I know, asrock are the only motherboards manufactured outside of China. Shame to put out such an underwhelming product.
Lol seems AsRock didn't give a crap about z490 - seems they've put quite a lot of effort into b550 though 🤔😍
ASRock: hey, look a midrange AMD chipset! OHMYGOD! PUT OUR BEST VRM ON IT RIGHT NOW!
Also ASRock: oh, some premium chipset from Intel? No. You can't have 16 phases. What do I look like? You think I'm made of power stages or something?
Ballanced as all things should be.
@walentaz Buildzoid went over them and based on what we know so far, they look solid. VRMs ofc need testing but they *look* good, IO etc is better than on z490
@walentaz All you had to do was read through the specs when they were released/leaked since 21st of May. The Taichi B550 for example is the best board out of any brand for B550. There's still the chance of a bugged BIOS or whatever.. but in terms of raw hardware specs, the B550 boards are very good. Asrock especially. The other 3 brands have some compromises, even when buying the most expensive board. One of them loses 2 sata ports (only 4 sata ports), and the others disable a PCIE slot, when second m.2 drive is used. All board makers high end boards have USB Flashback and CMOS reset on back panel. Gigabyte board doesn't have an internal 3.1 gen 2 header. VRM on all of them are solid but VRM isn't a big issue either way because 3000 series is 7nm and doesn't have huge power requirements. Overclocking doesn't yield much in terms of performance and just jacks up the power consumption for little in return.
@walentaz come on. You did see the puny heatsink on these board.
Those mortar motherboards are really good, their basically smaller versions of tomahawks
😂
Yeah, Yet they don't get the same praise, if you are just gaming & only have a GPU there really isn't a need for a ATX, M-ATX is cheaper for M/B & case, here in Australia I saved $30 getting the Mortar & $40 by Getting a Meshify C Mini which allowed me to get a RX580 instead of a RX570 when I built my Gaming PC early last year 😁
When the B550s come out, the Tomahawk will have a slightly better VRM than the Mortar (10+2 phase instead of 8+2).
@@nathangamble125 they don't get much attention so I didn't know that
@@nathangamble125 If you want to run a 3700X/4700X and don't consider over clocking that won't be an issue at all.
I've noticed in a few high-end motherboards I've started to hear coil-whine. Any idea what could be causing that? Something interesting to note is that by dropping 'maximum cpu usage' to 99%, it lowered the volume of the coil whine significantly from the MOBO.
Intel is giving away so much potential with this locked motherboards!
"Welcome back to Hammer on Box" I was ready for this!
What are those elements on the backside of the board around the VRM area? static.nix.ru/autocatalog/motherboards_msi/469379_2258_draft.jpg
Those are tiny surface mount resistors.
Can you test out the Taichi Z490? Do you think it's as bad as their Pro4 and PG4?
I doubt it.
I'm glad you guys are testing VRMs on these new boards. I've been seeing many crappy Z490 boards on the market lately.
When you folks do get the chance and opportunity, will you guys test the motherboard power limit boosting for non K CPUs? (Example ASRock BFB, ASUS APE and MSI's "whatever they call it")
I think it would be a nice comparison against Intel stock PL settings. If the performance uplift is good, this would be great for B and H series boards with a non K CPU. People who are not looking to overclock but get max performance out of a regular cpu by lifting the stock power limits will save tons of money for a better cooler and GPU that way.
Steve, I'd really appreciate a review of the Asus Maximus XII Formula. Almost no one has given any coverage to this board, and it sits at a much more affordable price point than the Extreme, while retaining the same VRM configuration. I've just purchased a 10900K, and would really like to know whether I should go for the Formula, or the Hero...
I have a question! I want to build a new PC and I don't know what to buy. I want to buy i5 10400f with b460 but it only supports 2933mhz ram and I want to buy 3000mhz ram, will it work? And am I going to lose a lot of performace without a z490 board?
friend the 10 generation i5 processors by default only accept memories at the frequency of 2666 to run at 3000mhz you would have to buy a motherboard z490, or if you install a 10 generation i7 or i9 on the b460 board it will work at 2933
I think that depending on the game the frequency memories from 2666 to 3000mhz should give a gain of 5 to 10fps in games, see my case I bought an i9 10900 version without ok this to arrive I have 2 memory sticks ram ddr4 3000mhz xpg adata tuf d41 these memories I managed to make over in a z390 with an i7 8700 at 3400mhz old kit, I intend to use these memories with the i9 but the motherboard is missing a b460 msi mortar here in brazil and 1100 reais a more basic z490 from msi z490a pro costs 1400 reais , if you have money left I think it's worth taking a more expensive card, in my case I think I'll go on the cheapest b460 and put these ram at 2933 this pandemic season broke my legs kkk it was worth a hug
you installed the AIO rad incorrectly, that rad should be installed on the top of a Tower to prevent any and all air (even as little as it might be) from pooling up in the end of the rad where the hoses that push and pull fluid to and from the CPU pump. it causes inconsistent CPU temps and can cause spiking from time to time from the air that temporarily gets trapped in the CPU pump. In these instances AIO's like 120mm should be installed rear/hoses down and you typical 240-360mm should be installed(if room is applicable in your tower)top mount/hoses face down, always to keep any and all air still in these AIO's away from the pump hoses... you will always see more consistent temps/ and should never see mild spiking when CPU is not under any real load. ON another note love watching your videos and as always love your tech input.
Before you shift to B550 would you guys be able to do a shoot out between the Asus Z490 TUF Gaming, GB Aorus Elite, MSi Tomahawk and ASRock equivalent? These seem to be the 'sweet spot' tier for value + OC performance Z490 boards
Yeah it really sucks that we can't OC the ram on the "locked" motherboards. For that reason alone I went with the Asus Z490 Prime, since I actually went with a locked i7-10700. I just really wanted to crank the memory speed to 3600 since there's really very little premium for buying such ram kits, and there is some benefit to be had from it. Perhaps more benefit than overclocking the core from the 4.8 it will do out of the box to the 5.1 or 5.2 you might could get with a mondo heatsink and power and heat and potentially noise.
And another "Mortar" mobo rock's!
You rock
@@everope As rock
@@gautamdiwan5952 ass rock
I hope the AM4 B550M is going to be that good :)
@@AlexisyFR Well 350 boards turned up to be very good-even better than 450 mobos. I got 2 of them and they are pretty good-with upgraded bios to support 3000 series -and as I heard there will be 4000 series support too!
I think the chipset price is probably the biggest factor. I've heard rumors that it could cost over $50. I have no idea what the B460 chipset costs, but that could be $30-40 difference there. I also haven't seen whether the B series chipsets will support PCIE 4. If they don't, you could see significant savings from reduced layers, lack of redrivers or reduced shielding.
Intel's production might be so bottlenecked on 14nm that it won't make a difference for this generation, but if they want to compete in the hobbyist space again, they're going to have to release some shackles. A good start would be the H*70 line. Opening XMP to 3600MHz, and allowing MB makers and users to reconfigure PL1, PL2 and tau would be a good place to start.
yep like you said the value of the processor itself is almost there, especially with the 10600k. But when factoring in the motherboard + ram price a decent motherboard is just a lot more expensive then AMD options and like seen with the 10400 you do also need some fast ram with this intel generation.
Is Memory overclocking supported for those B460 boards? If not gaming performance will still be behind that of Z490 boards making the ""5-7% more fps with Intel" even more irrelevant. Then price might be similar with a B460 and gaming performance as well, just one huge argument that AMD is much faster in other applications and a future upgrade to Zen 3 on AM4 will be much more exciting then to 11th gen on LGA1200...
Complete systems with 3700x vs 10600k would make for a very interesting video explaining the pro's and cons of each. always great videos here to watch, great stuff keep it up!
nah homie the 10600k is the best chip out right now only good thing amd has is 3300x its not hamstrung like rest of zen 2
@@420247paul Lets build a CPU + CPU cooler + MoBo + Graphics card system for 1000$, I'd say that's a reasonable example for a 3700x vs 10600k comparison. I'm not American but I'll take all the prices from newegg.com.
system 1, AMD:
- 3700x: 275$
- B450 Tomahawk Max: 130$ (price before covid, where I live it is still available for the normal price)
- DDR4 3200: 75$
- Stock cooler is good for stock operation, I've found on my 3600 that some decent binning can reduce temps because it can run the advertised boost speeds at much lower temps. I'm confident it will handle a quick overclock, but I guess I'll just say that it can't to keep it simple.
- money left for graphics: 520$
system 2, Intel:
- 10600k: 270$ (unavailability and covid made it 370$ but this would be theoretical)
- MSI Z490-A PRO: 160$
- DDR4 3200: 75$
- Stock cooler is all right for stock operation, but definitely not for overclocking at all. So to make use of Z490 overclocking, good value cooler is the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO: 50$
- money left for graphics: 445$
system 3, also Intel:
- 10600k: 270$
- MSI MAG B460 MORTAR: 115$
- DDR4 3200: 75$ (2933 is more expensive... )
- We're not overclocking this of course, so stock cooler will do because I am generous?
- money left for graphics: 540$
lets talk performance, first is production benchmarks where the 3700x is 31.1% faster if we take the average from multi core benchmark results from the comparison on this channel. For gaming at 1080p with a 2080ti the 10600k is 5.5% faster on average, 1% low is 3.5% faster with the Intel chip. This is all with power limits removed, I'm not sure the 10600k stock cooler can handle that, but anyway. For eSports/high fps titles (tested in a separate video) the 10600k is 8.3% faster on average with a 2080ti, but with the 2060 Super there is no difference in those eSports games.
So the AMD system is 31% ahead in production workloads, system 2 partners the Intel chip with nice memory, motherboard and cooler, but now is significantly more expensive than the AMD system so you end up with less for the graphics card, thus you end up hurting gaming performance as well...
system 3 fixes the extra cost issue, but with RAM on 2933 and a stock cooler the 5% theoretical lead will be reduced to nothing (innoticable) and you're still behind in production workloads by 31%...
No 500$ graphics card will ever be able to tell the difference between these 2 chips, not even a 2060 Super (400/450$) in high fps titles. With a 2080Ti the difference is 153 vs 145 fps, with less of a graphics card there is no difference. Going with the 10600k will just lose you 30% production performance, and money as well if you go Z490.
The Intel system also used 20% more power with an all core workload, and has a worse stock cooler. Zen 3 on AM4 is most likely going to be much more of an upgrade vs 11th gen on LGA1200, both will not receive more generations after that.
No need to argue with it anymore, the numbers speak for themselves.
Might be a noob question.
But the text saying "Fans not controlled by the motherboard", have i missed something here?
I mean, i have not followed up on the newer AIOs from Corsair or from any manufacturer.
Have they changed something or what am i missing? 🤔
@Hardware Unboxed on which date B550 reviews and sales going to happen?
In a few days
June 16. 3 days.
@@nathangamble125 thx
Do tou think i710700 is a good pair with the msi b460m? 👊🤘
It's too bad the MSI B460 motherboards aren't available anywhere. I'm waiting to buy one for my new build.
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The only channel where hardware is spanked around and thoroughly tested.
Is benchmark standart of speed testing? Is open source ?
im trynna build a pc and the i5 10400f is 45euro cheaper as the ryzen 5 3600 in germany . You cant overclock the i5 would it make any sense for me to buy a z490 motherboard or should i pickup the msi b460m mortar which you showed in the video btw this motherboard is only 95euro in germany
Are there any resources out there with compiled B460 VRM lists? I never could find any for B360/B365 in the past.
I am so thankful of you It makes it easy to recommend boards to clients
Steve, can you overclock ram or run at xmp on that board? Or stuck at cpu ram speeds?
plz answer. I wonder if i7 10700 will work smoothly with Asrock H410m-hvs Mobo or either way I should get B or Z Mobo for more phase to work without any problem?
Hmm..My thoughts is this might be an Indicator of what is expected to sell well. Are other B460 boards priced similarly to the Mortar equally well built? Or are we looking at the rockstar of the B460's?
Hello, what is the best budget motherboard for i3 10105f ? I want the best perfomance i can get for like 100$ !
Have always avoided ASrock and gigabyte like the plague with reason. nice video Steve!
Hey steve, for those of us on microatx form factor, any info on those motherboards? What do you think is the best value and for overclocking the i5 or i7? I went with msi mpg z490m gaming edge because it seemed the larger models were doing decent in the temps department, and it had the beefiest vrms and decent price.
People still buying intel ? Well they still are the best for gaming but if you're doing anything else then no. And honestly if all you're doing is gaming I wouldn't really be telling everyone because it's kind of embarrassing that you only game like a little kid and you don't do anything productive and have any plans of doing real grown up stuff with your pc and for the arm and the leg that Intel is charging for little bit of gains its quite honestly embarrassed to share that you're buying Intel right now
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude The lower memory latency is actually superior for my simulation work, thanks for your vapid rage essay.
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MSI MAG B460M MORTAR Motherboard vs asus tuf gaming b460 which one i should buy
Same question with me
@@aditamagunawan2404 what processer u using
@@asuraValo-001 i am using intel core i3 10100f
@@aditamagunawan2404 go for h410 series mobo
@@asuraValo-001 my h410 motherboard is damaged without a reason after install gix4s hsf. Now i want a motherboard with a feature extra protection and performance so i look for b460 series
hey do you think better to get b460 tomahawk or Z490 entry gaming plus?
I wonder, does a b460 still have the same voltage settings as a z490? In particular I want the option to undervolt with offset, or adaptive offset.
Imagine an unlocked B460 and an unlocked 10400. That would mean Intel are decently competitive, but now, it all has to be artificially locked, so you are forced to buy more expensive and sometimes inferior parts. Thank god AMD doesn't lock their boards/CPUs.
So I should go with the msi b460m mortar, and download MSI boost software and set it manually at turbo boost?
G'day Steve & Teddy Jr.,
Even if H410 stayed as is & then allowing XMP & Ringbus support on B460 while locking the Multiplier would be a massive improvement for customers with Non K CPU to get Way better performance as G/N Showed,
also just having a look at comparative H410 to A320 & B460 to B450 here in Sydney the Intel M/B is between $30-$50AUD more expensive, it really makes it hard to justify Intel when building a Low Budget PC
Intel *only* makes sense if you are into "high refresh competitive gaming" on top shelf GPUs. In every single other case you are better off with an AMD CPU these days.
Would a b460 tomahawk be able to handle an i7 10700k at stock?
Thank you for all the info ,I am 72 and already on my first cp for gaming looks like I must upgrade to a better amd system . My budget is in the area of 3000 dollars what do you recommend?
Depends on your use case and preferences... Iwould wait a few months until Zen3, RDNA2 and Ampere benchmarks, reviews and recommendations have come out though.
(In the meantime the 3800XT might take the gaming CPU crown in a couple of weeks)
Yes I will wait for sure and again thank you for all your hard work this old Veteran thanks you again .🦅🇺🇸🦅
I'd say that spending $3000 is probably not necessary, as the cost increase of higher-end components is usually not worth the small benefit you get from those components over slightly lower-end options. I'd personally go for something closer to $2000, but if you're sure you want to spend $3000 it does give you some freedom to choose the absolute best components with no compromises.
As others have said, it might also be worth waiting a couple of months to buy an RDNA2 or Ampere graphics card when they come out, but there's nothing stopping you getting a PC now with a cheaper graphics card and then upgrading, especially if you're willing to spend $3000 on it. You could sell the old GPU or give it to someone else who wants it.
Are you planning to build it yourself, or buy a complete PC? If you're planning to buy a complete system rather than build, a custom PC company like CyberPower or iBuyPower would be good options to consider, as they are usually cheaper than the big brands like Dell and HP, and let you choose components and customise your system much more.
Hey Steve and Tim. can you retest the readeon vega vii aganst the 5700xt. preferably undervolted and oced. thanks
Hello i need help , is this msi b460m mortal paired well with i5 10600k or i7 10700f better? Thanks!
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@Hardware Unboxed Any chance you could run your CPU suite on a R5 2600X? It's often very hard to gauge where it falls between 2600, 2700X and 3600, especially in gaming and there are pretty big gaps among those chips. I believe this would be a good dataset to have for the upcoming 4000-series benchmarks.
It could also be interesting to inspect and compare the energy efficiency of this chip, I feel like it might be one of the worst Ryzens out there, especially when you pop PBO.
It's a waste of our time, they are much the same: ruclips.net/video/xjNwAlT0RRw/видео.html
@@Hardwareunboxed I respect your answer about time usage, especially since you're replying to youtube comments on bloody Sunday. But I've seen that video and I'm not sure it answers my question. All encompassing "7% faster" means very little to me and most likely doesn't translate directly to FPS numbers on most occasions. But you do whatever seems best, can't cater to every request, take care.
so the best motherboard for i9 10900k oc would be Asus prime Z490-P am i right? pls let me know im planning on building a pc with i9 10900k i wish to oc to 5.1 5.2ghz which mobo would you recommend me? also i'll be using cpu aio cooler
Personally I am interested much more in the lower tier motherboards reviews, since I don't have neither the budget nor the need for "gaming" ones, with fancy PCIe 4, 500 watt class VRM for $1000 class CPUs, sub-zero overclocking features, wi-fi 6, etc. And I'm sure most of the consumers and "PC enthusiasts" in the world don't need or can't afford all that either. Sure, it's not nearly as fancy or sexy as are builds with RGB enabled AIO that alone cost nearly the same as budget mobo/CPU/GPU.
What about the z490 boards with dual 8pin? Thanks for the video.
This Mag B460M can go XMP ddr4 3200mhz for i5 10400?
Can you change Tau in Turbo to be infinite like Z series?
Can I use gygabyte b460 DS3H with intel i7 10700? will there be any heating issue?
Thanks for doing what you do. This info is invaluable for those of us without the money to test all this hardware. Trusting a brand only takes you so far like we see with Gigabyte, though in this case i’d be glad I usually get MSI boards.
Should i get b450 or b550. im gonna buy a R5 3600XT. Probably not gonna upgrade till ryzen 5th or even 6th gen.
can we strap on some more heatsinks on the vrm of the z490?
Nice video, didn't expect that result lol
So... now can i buy a B460 to fit my i5 and 1660 and be safe?
Is B460 is good for i9 10850k but without over clock
Please answer me
According to this video you can, but just with 4,8 Ghz (instead of 5.2) CPU Boost and 2933 Mhz slower RAM. A decent Z490 like the Gigabyte Gaming X is superior even without OC. A cheaper 10700 should perform similar on a B-Board. So why do you buy a K-processor at all?
@@frankneugebauer6455 Maybe he's using it for music production where clock speed & single core performance is important. I'm on a 10850k with the B460 Mortar for production and it's a beast.
@@Graeme566 please man tell me about temperature of vrm how much temperature
@@kareemfathy6226 temp is fine. Good air flow for your case helps
If you stick an i5 chip in that b460 board what ram speed does it let you set? does it let it go to 2933 or just to 2666?
2666
taking cheap 3600mhz cl18 would make 10400 with b460 run 2666@cl13-4
would get nice game performance right ?
I did not expect it to be possible to remove the TDP limits on the B460 board, too bad about XMP though if it had that even it was just allowed for k-sku CPUs
I got a MSI B460M Mortar and after 6 months all the usb`s on the motherboard stopped working, something no one seems to know why. Would love to know your opinian?
same on my b250 after 2 yr. dnt knw why
As i build mostly with locked ES processors, i would love to get more coverage on lower end intel mobos to see how they perform in term of efficiency and features, as i do not need any overclock feature (i have to go intel because of the OS i install on those system)
B460 mortar vs b460 tomahawk, is it have a same vrm chipset configuration ?
Yeah the Z490 lineup so far does not seem to make sense at all. If anything it would make sense to stick with the 9900K and Z390 until the next gen Intel offerings. Simply looking at the cost to performance difference between the two generations there is little incentive to upgrade in my opinion. Although I would like to see you guys include some ITX boards in these lineups as well, perhaps it is a different story there?
You are right, if you already have an 9900k there is no point in upgrading. You already have an top of the line CPU, it will last you for years. Save your cash for RTX 3000/RDNA2 or an new PC build a couple of gens from now with DDR5 PCIE-4.0/5.0
@@joeyvdm1 especially for some of us in South Africa, importing parts costs an arm an a leg so when we invest, we want to have atleast something that will be around for a while. I got an X570 setup right now and waiting to see what AMD brings in September or so on the GPU and CPU front or get a deal on an RTX 2080Ti if it goes down reasonably and will wait for RTX 3K series to mature (and will probably take its time getting here anyways)
I'll have emit that if these b460 where unlocked I would consider them for more then a few seconds unlike now. The socket support time length is to short, 3-4 years should be the rule. Sticking to X570 with zen3 until after atleast 2 years into DDR5 release, hopefully there is something more to think about by that time in the CPU space.
Probably you won't see this, but can you have a go at x370 and 3900x . Loads of people are looking for this and there is nothing. Just got one for 370€ to puto on my x370 gaming pro carbon hope it works :). Bios updates done just waiting for the cpu. Good work keep it going
The MSI Mortar series motherboards are very solid for B-series. The B450M Mortar was also very good. I wish MSI contribute to the mATX form-factor and release enthusiast grade Mortar motherboards.
Is MSI MAG B460M MORTAR WIFI good to pair with i7 10700 (non K) processor?
Yes
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So if u cant overclock the b460 mortar how did u overclock it
Im buying a prebuild off build redux and my build only lets you go with Z490 Chipset | INTEL so is that bad because the cpu it comes with is a intel i7 10700k
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Are this channel endorsed by msi?
will be interesting to see vrm temp without airflow like you did for amd 570x motherboard
I think if Intel ever unlocked multiplier overclocing on B and H series chipsets (which they probably won't for the foreseeable future) then they should make it optional for motherboard vendors. Trying to overclock on a low-end office grade B or H motherboard would end in a disaster or disappointment for most. But for boards like this B460 Mortar overclocking should be unlocked, it's sad to see a good board not live up to its potential.
Parts * Quality = Price. Why does the decreasing parts (ie moving from Z490 to B460) having an effect on Quality/Price surprise you?
Decreasing what parts exactly?
@@Hardwareunboxed You would think that having to support 8 less pci lanes and less USB/usb3 ports as well as the cheaper chipset cost would free up money to go toward better vrms. I agree with your conclusion and I'm glad I wasn't eyeing either of these boards. It's a shame they produce boards that are so bad. Thanks for warning us.
@@billschannel1116 Yeah if the boards were the same price that might make sense. Anyway you're welcome ;)
I really like the Channel Hammer on Box
Without realizing that B460 is intel's new budget chipset, I assumed this was a reference to the year-late and pcie4 short b550.
B460 sounds and looks way too similar to B450. I thought it was a typo of some sort at first.
Good stuff, I'd like to see mid range z490, like asus tuf, I have one and would like to see how it compares.Poor asrock, I have several ones from them x570 tiachi and they were good, that was a true disappointment to see poor boards sent out from them for z490
what will happen if this b460 board is paired with i5 10600k?
I am going to buy 10900f processor,what board i should buy b460 or z490,any advise pls
I mean you can run a 10900k at 4.8-4.9ghz on 2933mhz with a b460. But if you can afford z series why not go for it
Is there any decent mobo for new intel cpus??? If not I'm getting AMD
Can I use i710700k oc @5ghz.
On this board
for the overclock it is not recommended, better avoid it.
instead (example) I've noticed the B560 Pro AX has more capacitors and mosfets to provide better Ampers balance and temperature. And so with other models, there are good options with good "VRM" components for OverC
@@georgemartinezza ok thanx bro
Thanks you for a honest and filterless review.
"Gigabyte Z490M" please (or the same board with Wi-Fi), very nice looking and cheap MB, but i want to know about it VRM temps before i buy it, please........
Msi seems to be making their focus really good budget boards
Is it because the Z490 chipsets are so costly that board partners have to skimp out so much on their low end Z490 motherboards?