Dan and NL discuss the teachers take
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024
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Stream date: 04-24-2024
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Dan's handling of those situations was perfect. Love the idea of a standoff until the 10 year old caves and apologizes.
The visual of Dan sitting across from a child in compete silence for five minutes as a single piece of paper with the words “what is a cunt” on it sits between them is killing me.
What a king shit move from Dan, hooooly
Wish I had a teacher like Dan, especially in 4th grade french class. My teacher was horrible there.
And what he said about showing you care and respect students so the punishment is just you being disappointed. I don't care how much of a class clown you are, you will feel guilty messing with the good teacher that cares about you, it will linger. They are like parent figures after all.
It only works if the student eventually caves though. I don't know how no one here has had classmates or seen students that would've never backed down.
This just comes back to NL's point, that it only works if the student buys into the teacher having some sort of authority over them.
In 5th grade when we did "The Talk" my teacher had us all "say 'penis' quietly and in unison". Especially quiet because we were right next to a 4th grade class. Every single boy in that classroom started yelling "penis" as loud as they possibly could. It was so awesome
That’s hilarious because my junior high intentionally made everyone scream all the words during the first day of health class.
My health teacher basically took the approach of "yeah these words are funny so we can laugh at them for a bit but then we need to be serious about it".
Reminds me of the game we'd play in class, whoever said penis the loudest won
@@5hirtandtieler We all went outside, lined up, and yelled "PENIS, VAGINA" over and over
We emphasized all the syllables loudly while chanting penis and vagina, but we did it alongside all the other key words
When Dan broke the 4th wall I was pretty blown away by how good natured his take was
and when he went back to talking about punishments, all of his scenarios and how he dealt with them were very reasonable
The staredown is like a perfect response too
Feel like it was a bit of a publicist response. Some people are assholes, and they start young - many kids aren't acting out because they feel neglected at home, sometimes they just want to be a smartass and get attention from their peers or talk to their buddy.
I'm not saying I disagree with Dan, I think it was a very PR statement, but its not something that is applicable to everybody. Not every kid will turn into an angel just because they like a teacher and think that teacher will care - and if they maintain it for the class that teacher teaches, there's no guarantee they'll be well behaved for the other 7 teachers they'll see that day.
@@eewweeppkktbh I don't think it was for PR purposes. Dan just believes that.
@@eewweeppkk bro thinks you need a pr team to say you gotta care about your students 💀ofc you can’t change a kid’s personality just by being nice, no one’s saying a kid will be respectful in other class if you show them affection, even if they were really neglected at home and not a natural asshole. Obviously he knows that you can only control the environment of your own classroom, he’s simply saying that if you’re a nice teacher to them then they’ll be nice to you.
I always think it’s funny how Dan treats these collabs like 20 questions (not in a negative way, I think he’s just geniunely curious). But I appreciate it cause we always get new/secret lore
My favourite thing Dan has made is his old pubg videos where he just interviews every rando with a mic he matches with
it also makes his podcast interviews incredible, since he's earnestly trying to connect and learn about the other person
@@limerslimerthat time that he got paired up with this super wholesome and sweet 12yo boy who was playing on his sister's account named "RagingLesbian" or something lives rent free in my mind
@@dukeee19844 i just looked up that video. that was super cute!
This is how we unlock the lore 😂
I literally pissed myself in late middle school because the teacher I had refused to let me go to the bathroom. We had a 15/15 policy, so you couldn't go in the first and last 15 minutes of the period. The doors were locked, so I couldn't just leave. It was nuts.
Similar situation, there was maybe 30 minutes left before lunch. I ask the teacher to go, they were really strict on bathroom breaks so they asked me "Do you REEAAALLLLY need to go?" in a dramatic way. Not to put attention on me I just said no and proceeded to slowly release tablespoons worth of piss every minute until lunch.
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@@TamingofSpyro The psychic damage from the incident has never left them.
French fries dipped in Mama Liz's 30% sugar tomato puree
"Teachers actually have no real power" only makes sense to adults. Kids don't understand that most of the time. Kids are sitting there going "I gotta deal with this person for a whole year," contextually that's like their whole life to them. Some teachers I had for two or three years, and lemme say I'm glad I wasn't really on anyone's bad side.
And they have no power technically in the school but in class the reality is they have all the power over the kids, they directly effect their life's. Sometimes they don't even know a door to something they want to do is open unless you introduce it to them. Just mentioning some clubs just so the possibility is out that.
Dan "I didn't say anything, opened the piece of paper and had a 5 minute stand off with him" HOLLLLLLLLLLLLLY GigaChad Dan my guy.
I think NL has his head screwed on right the vast majority of the time but whenever he says "There's nothing you/they can do" or any variation of that be it on this topic or any other topic for that matter, i think it's important to remember that just because NL can't think of a solution or proper course of action doesn't mean one doesn't exist and i think Dan examplified that very well when he said "A teacher can influence a school kid if the kid knows the teacher cares". And this is by no means exclusive to NL. We all have blindspots where our imagination runs short. That's why it's so important to hear opinions from a wide range of people. It helps inform you of or cover for your blindspots and you can do the same for others.
I think, like people have rightfully pointed out, NL is looking at the "power" a teacher has through the lens of an adult viewing an adult, not the lens of a child viewing and adult. He thinks that because he, as an adult, would never listen to a random grown adult trying to tell him what to do, that a child would just respond the same way, despite that often not really being the case,. This somehow warped his perspective into "that means you can put the child through some vigorous humiliation task because children respond to being humiliated amongst their peers." That response is also mostly negative and hateful rather than a "oh I learned my lesson now" revelation from the child.
@@spaghettivase4808I first want to compliment NL for being smart, quick-witted, and knowledgeable just so I don't come off as a hater.
Northernlion, the entertainer, is awful at considering alternative viewpoints. He will often make broad statements about life without considering the different circumstances and verbsets human beings have. He's a smart guy, but I feel like he assumes that his intuition is infallible and his analysis is intelligent. I forget whether that makes him dumb-smart or smart-dumb. He can be so certain about very complex issues and its super caustic to my vibes.
@@Se7enRemain kind of adjacent to this topic, as someone who doesn't watch a lot of streams live and who doesn't/can't pay attention to the chat on NL content, i've developed a skewed perspective on NL's viewers, since a lot of the chats he picks on for entertainment are (naturally) often worse takes/arguments/comebacks which are easiest to allow him to continue a bit for longer. but seeing a lot of comments on this video critiquing his points in a very thoughtful way is really nice to see
@@abandonment It's also just difficult to write a throughout response in a moving chat. If he wanted to read a 9 lines long paragraph of a comment he'd have to basically stop whatever he's doing just to read it, and that's just not his style. He finds a short comment and banters while playing a game. It's easier to sift through 10 short comments and picking whichever he likes the most than spending a few minutes reading long comments. And you can't know if that long-ass comment is gonna be a thoughtful comment or just some copypasta, or insane rant. So yeah, thought-out responses will be reserved to youtube comments where people HAVE the time to actually read it, and not fast moving twitch chat.
i think the funniest thing for me is that like. if a kid is to the point where nothing else works and you feel like you can't get across to them in a "peaceful" manner because you just don't hold enough power.... how the hell are you gonna force them into doing something they don't want to? you say "go run a few laps" or "hold your arms up" and they just don't listen, you gonna hold their arms up yourself?
ofc a teacher CAN enforce these because of the way a child will perceive them and the authority they hold, but that just goes to show that they DO hold some power
in general i get what he's saying from the perspective of teachers being human beings who are also struggling and may make the wrong decision, but ultimately physical punishments always just kinda just back to wanting to get back at someone first and foremost IMO. it's at best an exhausted teacher lashing out and it's not necessarily like, evil depending on the approach, but it is a bad idea still
Rare Dan sanity to counteract the even rarer Ryan L
Ryan Ls are as common as the sun rising and setting
There's a reason why Ryan's last name is L.
finally a sane take from the Dan-man himself
id rather only the one kid was punished but it puts into perspective how insane nl’s take was. he had a couple bad kids in his class growing up/korea and let it cloud his view to the point where any punishment even physical must be justified.
@@tobiolufotebi8995id honestly assume that his view is more from his own experience in school
@@resinfruit He said he got the point of physical punishment after korea
@@tobiolufotebi8995Ryan's reasons for thinking it's okay are flawed, but sometimes a kid needs something to be afraid of to keep them in line, if only for the sake of the other students. My own time in school taught me that kids are just as capable of being fucked up as adults, sometimes more, because they lack the self-awareness to realise they're doing something wrong.
@@tobiolufotebi8995
NL: "a wall sit isn't gunna kill you" "I would send kids to the principal's office all the time"
His audience: "it's so insane NL is in favor of any physical abuse used to control children"
My 6th grade health teacher did the opposite of the "words without laughing" thing. She read the words out one by one at the start of the unit and told us to laugh as much as we wanted at them, and then after that day we weren't allowed to laugh at them anymore. Was honestly pretty effective iirc but in hindsight the mental image is just as funny
I think NL is a little too punishment-pilled
Idk if I'm being a little too armchair quarterback with this, but I'm also a bit sensitive about this kinda thing as a kid who was perpetually bullied in school. The "punish the class because one kid ruined it" technique works, but I think you have to allow recourse if the kid genuinely apologizes and agrees not to be a dickhead again. Being totally ostracized for being an immature kid with no opportunity to redeem yourself fuckin SUCKS. From an adult perspective you're like "well yea but I can just not care and I'll never see those people again," but from a kid perspective that shit matters a LOT and I feel like while it definitely teaches you a lesson, it can really fuck with your psyche to be the one guy everyone hates for an entire year.
My first grade teacher genuinely was beefing with me. Hand to god I was a good kid, did my work, got good grades, didn't cause trouble, she just didn't like me. One time I showed her a picture I drew and I promise you she deadass said, "I don't want to see that crap, take it away." Like I am literally just a little guy, why would you say something like that to a first grader?
that's really bizarre, can you think of any way she could have been biased against you?
More Hair = Better Teacher
yep
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau its just how the power levels work in this pubilcation
Ketchup is like 20-30% sugar though, that gym teacher was right!
Type A chatter head ass
If My house was 30% glass, I wouldn't say I lived in a glass house so becareful when throwing stones.
Dan more based than NL confirmed?!
yup seems like it
Not hard to be more based than "physical abuse is okay as long as you don't leave a mark"
always has been
Sometimes
@@ngwoothat is not what he said.
4:32 Dan's absolutely right. When I was in high school I had a teacher who absolutely loved his job and put 100% into teaching us. Dude absolutely cared about us and wanted us to succeed. Funny guy, smart guy, and a very good teacher. Had fun when we had time to have fun, and was stern when he needed to be. Respected him so much, I never wanted to disappoint him since he was putting his all into teaching us. I graduated high school 17 years ago and still think about him from time to time. An absolute legend.
Dan kinda based on this one
Dan the hero saying about how actually caring about the kid does alot, even with children the friend of my nephew, just being reasonable with them when they'll playing around to much is enough. They're good people and they just want to have fun and if you just readress the boundaries explaining why they're going too much with what they're doing or just with you have that respect they'll listen to you when you say something to them. Overly nice teachers and the one who actually tried to understand the students usually got the most respect and were seen as the cool teachers.
Punitive punishments are a weak and temporary deterrent to deviant behavior, and do not reliably reduce the risk of reoffense. There is a very large body of research that supports this and it's a very quick Google search away -- a short stint teaching English doesn't make Ryan an expert on child developmental psychology.
True, but it's not always the focus to ensure every student is able to achieve success and reform into functioning members of society. Sometimes simply moving the problem kid elsewhere out of sight is the best you can do to stop them from impacting everybody else negatively.
@@jamesmccomb9525 Problem kids very well might just be kids with adhd or a troubled family situation, and it does not help to expect them to be able to manage that at their age. Teachers need to to be able to connect to those kids, as that is what they most need to cope with this, and as a side effect it often motivates the child. Dan's way of thinking seems more healthy in this way. It's understandable to be burned out or ill equipped for that as a teacher, but it does not make punishment the correct solution.
@jamesmccomb9525 Finding a job that isn't a fundamental part of raising children is the best course of action in this situation. It's important, and teachers should be paid better, but if someone's preference is offloading the problem, ot taking the easy way out, they are in the wrong field.
@@TheRadioSquareI don’t think our teachers are paid enough for this line of thought.
Teachers in my area are paid about 48k a year.
Amazon delivery drivers are paid more and are responsible for less.
@@Twarex01yeah but it’s not fair to all the other kids to kneecap their education bc 2 kids have problems. Why is the education of the lowest common denominator more important than the education of the majority?
I was starting to feel like maybe NL's views feels insane because he just got more insight from experience but Dan just confirmed NL is crazy and became jaded from a few bad students
NL's only qualification for that job in korea was being a native english speaker. What experience, NL didn't even study pedagogy in preparation.
Yeah, I feel like this is the only genuinely horrid take I've heard from him in ages
It really depends on the school though and the kids. I think people are picturing like making a 6 year old do wall sits for talking in class, whereas high school is a completely different story where the kids are old enough to know what they're doing, and still more when you get to schools where the average kids would be the bad kids at a different school and the bad kids aren't just mildly insubordinate but sociopaths in the making. Like both of the things Dan said that made him the most mad were things that my favorite kids at the school I taught at will have done regularly and we would all joke about it. Those aren't even bad to me just funny. You can try to connect with all the kids but at a certain point that only works if they'll let you, some of them just make it their mission to cause problems and make sure no one else can learn either.
@@legion999Is this widely known by his audience because I think a whole 800 comments on the last video could have maybe been avoided if it was. Now those -2's make sense!
@@soasertsusi don't think i read a point in ur writing, besides the bit abt 6 year olds doing wall sits which is literally an example NL used specifically lmao
The thing that pissed me off the most as a teacher was when we had a quiz, not even an important graded one or anything, and this one asshole kid in the front row was just fucking around and chatting and openly copying the answers off his friend next to him, and I must have told him to stop copying and write his quiz or else he'll get a zero like 4 or 5 times so he just sits there with a blank sheet of paper the whole time. Then when everyone is finished I have them pass their quizzes forward up the row and he's in the front, so when it gets to his desk, in front of my face he flips the stack over onto his desk and starts copying the answers down from the person behind him onto his own paper while I stood in front of his desk watching him, puts it on the stack, and then hands it to me. I was so annoyed by this point that I just took the stack, pulled his paper out, and then calmly tore it into 4 quarters and set it back down on his deck and told him he got a zero. Bro popped off threw the papers back at me, jumped up and started yelling while I went back to my desk and marked his zero in the grade book, and then continued carrying on until the bell rang and I walked out.
Probably shouldn't have done it and I got in trouble for it but I still think he deserved it and he was relatively well behaved after that so I guess it worked.
For pretty much Ryab’s whole life my mom has been a teacher, and she makes changes in students lives, and gets visits from adult students, because she treats them like human beings with real feelings. We were all kids, I have a kid of my own, I dunno how we all seem to be at risk of forgetting that we wanted to be treated like human beings from the beginning. Some kids really push teachers, but compassionate understanding is always the most frictionless route to behavior changes.
I just know Dan remembers that kids name AND gpa when graduating high school
Inflicting mark-less pain on children through good ole' fashioned stress positions is good because it's actually just exercise!
"put children in stress positions" - NL
My 7th grade teacher decided to teach the class the meaning of "exiled" by choosing somebody at random in the class (myself), accusing them of talking during the lesson, then later pounding on my desk telling me to stop talking then yelled at the top of his lungs at me to leave the class and sit in the hallway, until coming out moments later and saying, basically, just kidding
I was at the point of bawling given how my parents would react if they heard I had been kicked out of a class then had to endure walking back in as my peers gave me the most awkward looks imaginable
the “say penis until no one laughs” thing is pretty normal I think? We did that through multiple years of health class with different teachers.
Dan's worldview only really works because he does actually care while NL has pretty explicitly said that he didn't really care about his students it was just some job to him (totally normal not shitting on him for that). It's not really surprising that they'd have such different viewpoints about how to get kids to behave when they came into it with such different mentalities.
I would still say that's NL fault for not caring of course you don't know how to punish a kid when you don't even know who they are.
3:44 this is a wild take
6:13 I will never forget that I learned the word “Gooch” from watching that old video where a kid breaks his skateboard and it pierces his gooch. If that kid was at the top of the leaderboard, then he was cookin lol
'great punishment' and it's collective punishment
This is just a rehash of the "What makes a king?" episode of Fate/Zero and sadly I must align myself with Saber (Dan)
Didn't Saber want to erase her time as a king tho?
@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh yeah because she felt like she failed even though everything crumbling down wasnt her fault.
Had pretty much the same experience in health class. The wrestling/weightlifting coach was the health teacher and for about 2 weeks we’d basically just watch clips from supersize me and discuss why eating McDonald’s everyday for your whole life isn’t the best idea.
I watched that movie in 5th grade, love that that fraud got completely exposed after the fact but no one told us that in fifth grade
My takeaway from this is that Dan is probably one of the coolest teachers out there, and that kid deserved to get clowned on by the rest of the class for taking away Halo
But the kid didn't take away halo, it was dan
Yeah one of my teachers called me a "spineless fucking liar" in front of the class for saying I didn't do something I didn't do. This is one of the rare NL takes I disagree with. Primary and middle school teachers were mostly just failed intellectuals taking their frustration out on kids.
I got caught up in the strawman argument from NL before yikes
Low sugar ketchup goes crazy
I'd let librarian teach me, if you know what I mean
Teach you how to dougie?
Im sure he knows a book or two
Make sure you bring the mascara
Ur gonna need a fauna wig
@@squeedles_1943 FAUNA MENTION
Dude those Halo 1 sessions on school computers were a fucking rare joy. I miss that.
Dan's punishments were good. My bad teacher stories are that a teacher threw a shoe at a kid who was sleeping in class and another one told a girl she'd grow up to be an alcoholic like her mom, who he grew up with or something. The teachers were friends, lmao. The only reason the second guy didnt get fired is because he had tenure.
It's crazy that American kids just let teachers get away with that stuff, that kinda stuff would've easily escalated into a fight where I'm at.
@@jamesmccomb9525 It would only negatively impact the child, it's a lose lose situation for them.
3:34 Oh I thought that was a millennial thing since NL does it all the time
My middle school health teacher de-humorized the human anatomy in the best way. Instead of forcing us to de-humorize it, she stood up there and would list off parts just cackle. Shed make it sound like she had the hardest time getting it out over how funny it was. She let us lean into the humor too. After a couple days the jokes were worn out
I have a weird one. There was a teacher who "guest taught" us in health class and he had a transparent thing that he put on the projector. It was a suicide note and he kept riffing on how pathetic the person writing the note was and we were making jokes and shit. This wouldve been like 9th grade, freshman year of high school for us, and after much joking he pulls out the "this is my brothers suicide note" and the whole class just went silent. In hindsight its pretty weird, but memorable nonetheless.
I dunno, I think NL's take that he doesn't have any power as a teacher, seems very much like it's reflected in his experiences more than like, being the reality, to me. Teachers can do a whole hell of a lot to a kid.
Consistently goad them into bad behavior, from which other punishments can stem "justifiably", send them to detention over and over, teachers can even have students be suspended, expelled, or even potentially arrested by SROs or by real police, which can do quite a number as kids are totally excommunicated from their social groups and forced to go to a different school. This can also be a pretty big punishment on the parents as well, who might be at a loss for alternative options for schooling in their area, as is the case much of the time, and if you had a bad home life before that, which caused you to act out, then expect that to get worse after your parents have to deal with you getting expelled and sent to a different school or even school district. That shit was all fairly common when I was in school, a good handful of kids had gone through similar circumstances. Teachers can also focus on a kid and isolate them from their peers pretty effectively, depending on the level of sway the teacher has over the class, and in the worst cases this can devolve into basically a dogpile of bullying on a single kid.
Yeah, lots of kids just get absolutely fucked by the school system. The teachers do too, of course, they're underpaid, class sizes are usually too big, there's a lot of stress and work associated with it for the pay, and you can pretty much feel like you have absolutely zero control over your entire class, because socially and psychologically, you probably don't. You're like, one person in a room of 40 or 50, and most of those minds are undeveloped, immature, and potentially just mean. It's sort of like streaming, in that way, except also it's nothing like it.
I dunno, I wish things were different than they were.
NL is likely assuming a great deal of good in teachers because he is expecting to send his child of to them soon. I think NL is thinking that adults won't choose to use children as a means to exercise their power which perhaps is idealistic.
I also think it's rooted in his experience a bit. He was a foreign contractor working for a for-profit supplementary English school in Korea, his only qualification was being a native English speaker. He barely spoke Korean. Of course he felt like he had no power over those children, one wrong move and he could be out of a job in a foreign country.
For the same reason it is understandable though, I think it makes him way less qualified to talk with the kind of authority he's assuming. Can't really do the whole "what's a teacher supposed to do?" bit if you never had a nanosecond of teacher training. That's where you learn about what a teacher is supposed to do, guy who finished a bachelor's in biology and immediately flew to Korea to teach English.
No I think teachers just don't have that much power lmao, try being an adult and recognizing how little you get paid and how much you have to deal with shitty parents bs
Chatter says "I feel like physical punishment for not doing your homework is too far". NL accuses him of "doing the Gen Z thing" by phrasing it in "the most bad-faith way possible", then first changes the word "punishment" to "abuse", and then endorses "making a kid hold their arms up till their muscles start to hurt" - which is literally a physical punishment by definition. They phrased it accurately and NL confirmed their summary of his take after accusing them of bad faith. Lol
Because he knew what they meant and/or what people were going to take it as if he didn't clarify. They knew he knew what they meant, they phrased it like that specifically to allow for the interpretation of a teacher hitting a kid, which then derails everything into this nonsense they weren't even talking about.
This is the 4D chess he has to play with chat every fuckin day.
brother you are overcomplicating this shit, the obvious implication by saying physical punishment is assault that's why he meant the chatter was in bad faith. Cause no one would call having to hold your arms in the air till they get tired ´physical punishment´ even if its technically correct.
@@crizthit1249 It's a punishment. That's physical. Hmm...
This is definitely a youtube comment lemme tell ya
Just because your english teacher failed doesnt mean that physical punishment is strictly about suplexing a kid into concrete @Szanth
"here's the shoebox..."
oh no, not *the* shoebox
Dan is very correct. Having a cool teacher you feel you can trust is an essential support to keep kids academically motivated and mentally healthy. "Technically not corporal punishment"? Not so much.
theyve been fightin margit for 20 years
The reason crucifixtion is supposed to be so terrible is because they force you to hold an outstretched posture for an extended period of time without relief. The raised arms corporal punishment thing is absolutely messed up
I feel like if I were being crucified I'd probably be more concerned about the getting stakes driven through my arms and being left to die part rather than the arms being held up for an extended period of time part
@@meltenvyI’m pretty sure (most?) crucifixions weren’t actually performed with the nails, since the nails alone can’t support the weight of a body and the person would just fall off after a while. Most of the time they tied them up with ropes (EDIT: I was given wrong info!! Turns out nails WERE very common! The guy replying to me linked a source!)
@@NSNova Though there is some debate about how often nails were used, it was fairly standard and scholars think that nails were used more often than not (according to this video ruclips.net/video/Emk21WbOFo0/видео.html). My understanding was that both nails and rope might be used (the practice itself was about inflicting pain, so nailing someone to a cross makes more visceral sense from that perspective)
It can also be exercise which is more apt of a comparison
@@davidsheppard4297 very interesting, thank you! I suppose the old German lady who told me this with a lot of confidence in her voice wasn’t as well researched as I thought!
9th grade gym/health coach is right it is made of sugar
Is NL just coping with his school life with his take on punishment?
He is. This is one of his few genuinely awful takes.
@@thisusernameis2long927It reeks of resentment from his teaching career that hasn’t been let go.
Ryan "I had good to amazing teachers" Letourneau giving an example of one of his teachers in his own words being "not cut out for teaching but he's been teaching for like 35 years regardless of not being good at it". Im starting to think bro was just clueless when he went through school and is misremembering it at this point lol
Edit: Dan is absolutely correct and NL in absolutely incorrect on a fundamental level. School was hell for me, by the time I got to Highschool my mental health was in an awful place, mostly due to some undiagnosed stuff and growing up as a non-Finnish apostolic person in a community with a very large Finnish apostolic population (if you know you know, if you don't know, they're some of the worst cliquey people I've ever met). By the time I got to 10th grade, I was the latter kid that NL is talking about at 4:20. I was fucking miserable, school was the last thing I gave a shit about, I had been recorded absent over 50 times, walked out of the principles office and out of the school with him threatening to call the cops to pick me up. I didn't want to be doing any of that, and you know what saved me? It wasn't just letting me die or something, it certainly wasn't fuckin witchcraft lmao, it was exactly what Dan said. It was an alternative school with a principal who gave a shit about the kids and teachers who didn't suck ass. "Theres nothing you can do" is WRONG and detrimental directly to the kids themselves. "Welp, what can we do" is probably the exact same mindset taken on by the staff at my school, seeing as how i was wracking up absences by just not even going to school/leaving in the middle of the day for months. Nobody did a fucking thing until FINALLY the counselor at my school was able to talk to that alternative school, I was just in limbo for like 2 months, not going to school, my parents not even fucking speaking to me. I was in hell and I had no idea why, I was like 16. I try not to really take any NL takes seriously, because its not really wise to take any takes on the internet seriously, butt NL also usually just hits Ws. But this one really rubbed me the wrong way.
My experience was specifically bad, but aint no fuckin way theres enough quality schools and quality teachers to come anywhere near the generalization that school is "pretty easy if you put in any effort". I think Im just gonna leave this one at NL simply going to a good school in a good area and being lucky enough to have mostly good teachers.
The American education system is pretty wack, you often end up with people who have no teaching skills in teaching positions because their skills and qualifications are relevant to the subject, and the job is simply a means for them to make a living.
As someone who does really well in college, but almost failed out of highschool, school is only easy if your home life is good. Poverty, depression, ADHD, abuse, and loneliness are/can be debilitating. It will always seem unfair to me when kids are judged on character through their school life
I was reflecting on the previous nl teacher take and I think he just wants to believe teachers are necessarily benevolent beings because his child is imminently destined for the school system
He also thinks some physical punishments are acceptable, but what will he think if it happens to Luna?
Jesus christ RUclips comments are cooked.
@skrooz7864 It's not "cooked" it's just people criticising a guy you like for broadcasting terrible stances on a serious topic and you not being able to process it.
This is a very interesting take
I love sane and rational responses. People have been stretching NLs takes way to far when it can probably be easily distilled to NL as a concerned parent and not that good of a teacher.
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Our 4th grade teacher forced us to stand still until a few of us fainted, must've been something like 40-50 minutes. She didn't touch us (that time) but I'm pretty damn sure that was abuse. Absolute shit take from nl
I don't get how you can stretch NL using mundane exercise as a punishment to him endorsing you being treated as a WW2 Japanese POW.
holding your arms up for a minute is absolutely not the same as being forced to stand for nearly an hour man
My god, dan taking away halo because a kid used gooch is unhinged. He was that teacher. He folded like a damn piece of paper to the smallest resistance lol
Reminds me of a kind Garen player I played League with years ago named GoochGrabber
Dan from big brother and northernlion wat lmao
Of course NL has the same apathetic take most teachers have. Its always the fault of the kid regardless of the fact that their brain isn't even close to being developed enough to be consciously deciding their own behavior. Once again the argument is contingent on some people just being abject moral failures where others aren't, DON'T interrogate the environmental and sociological pressures these children exist under. These institutions have no answers to the most basic critiques people have of them, like that arguably 50% of the curriculum or more is just arbitrary busy work to prove you're capable of jumping through hoops. Or that they have no effectual answer to neurodivergent students. Why am I being made to feel like I'm an abject failure of a person for failing to learn these arbitrarily chosen skills when most of the people in the previous generations silently agree you forget 70% of it almost immediately? How is any of this going to help me deal with the fact that, statistically I won't get paid enough to live for most of my life until I can barely scrape out a retirement, only to have that clipped away by austerity measures also?
You're seriously surprised people don't trust the institutions that never had their best interest at heart in the first place, that routinely fail and abuse their authority?
NL said he didn't care. And caring is really important as a teacher
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 The thing is, its not like its an easy thing for the teachers either, the institution is failing them just as much as it is failing the students, so its even stranger that the conflict is being framed as students vs teachers. Teachers are criminally underpaid, overworked, and callously expected to perform one of the most challenging, complex tasks Society can offer them.
Trying to characterize this or any problem similar to this as simply one sides fault only serves to stop you from thinking about why its ACTUALLY happening. Because the institutions trusted with authority and resources fail on every conceivable level.
Bro I am so not cut out for teaching. I would have no idea what to do in any of these situations.
10:38 The most based teacher
Was Dan's motivation for being a teacher better than NL's? Could the students tell the difference?
Dan was probably more involved with the students than NL so yeah
wow his friend is literally me
Thank god we have a reasonable and sane person in the same room as NL. His takes on this topic were making me lose my mind.
Ostracized a kid form his peers for a bad word: sane.
Make a kid do exercise for a few minutes: insane.
ask any korean person about their parents making them do the uncomfortable poses
"Nothing compares to youth." - P. Diddy probably
How are they playing elden ring already together? I don’t see cuts for getting summoned and all
There's a mutliplayer mod
elden ring seamless co op mod
When did NL and Dan do an Elden Ring stream together?
yesterday
The ketchup guy was correct about the sugar, wtf is NL talking about?
The point isn't that he's wrong, the point is that it's silly to dedicate an entire health class to a crusade against ketchup when there's other stuff too.
@@jamesmccomb9525 He didn't dedicate a whole class to it though? NL brought one anecdote of what the teacher said, one time.
Thats why heinz ketchup is the best
The fact NL thinks kids forced to do handstands until they have blisters isnt abuse is genuinely concerning.... how far did he go when teaching? :I
Oh damn Northerlion bad take, it happened. EVERYONE PANIC!!!!
northern lion the kinda guy to ask for context on police brutality
wacky comment
the thing is that i think he isn't that guy, which is why his takes on asserting power & authority in the classroom are so weird idk
@@NoTwo nah, you just idolise NL
@@TheRadioSquare Why are you even here? Go spend time with those you love.
@NoTwo I'm here so that it's not just an echo chamber of cowards like you who want to dismiss any disagreement on a serious topic. If you can't handle to see a streamer being criticised, then log off and "spend time with you loved ones" instead of helping to justify child abuse.
Ok but ketchup, at least in America, is like 90% corn syrup
Funny I get the ketchup that is like 90% tomatoes. I always found it funny they don't have to label the alcohol content, which won't do anything to you, but it does contain some.
Maybe this is weird on my end, but I might actually be done watching watching NL after this one. I've had some teachers really treat me like garbage over the years to the point of being in a real dark place mental health wise. Hearing NL not just accept, but be so enthusiastic about the idea of physically and verbally degrading kids really hits deep and doesn't sit right with me. A grown adult using their authority to hurt kids is already bad, but then proudly talking about how the kid's pain doesn't really matter and is deserved is too much. Having some basic empathy is a real low bar, but apparently too much for some people.
Dan, an actual human who's had life experiences, telling NL to get some perspective because talking to chat all day is giving him bad opinions
Chatter (broke): Telling kids to hold their arms up and do wall sits is physical abuse against minors
Me (woke): No child should do any exercise
Chat really be like:
- Make a kid a social outcast for months +2
-Raise your hand for 15 seconds -2
Yeah why was a child using a inappropriate word such a deal?
@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh That isn't the topic of my comment.
@@TheUltimateShade667 but it is, he became a social outcast for a mundane thing
@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh I don't really care what he did. My comment is about how chat reacts to each punishment and that I disagree with them. What he actually did is irrelevant. I don't really have an opinion of it and I'd prefer if this comment doesn't become a thread for a discussion about how the matter was handled.
This comment is purely about how people react to the punishment. Please keep it that way.
i do think that the classmates wouldn't like the halo kid for a while but a child doing the exercise punishment would also face humiliation as well, it's just not as targeted.
I do agree that people are taking the exercise punishments too far though. I do think that the punishment would only last for a minute at most, not for half an hour like other people are asserting. I've done these exercises before in elementary as activities and if you stop as soon as it hurts, you won't even feel it by the next day.
I still hold that exercise punishments shouldn't be doled out though.
Tbh I'm on NL's side on this one. Ultimately he is right that the only power a teacher has over a kid is what the kid believes they have. I know because I was that kid in middle-highschool. I more or less got away with everything because I didn't respect teachers and I didn't care about consequences. There was no soft threat that could work on me, and my mother was a helicopter parent who was willing to sue the schoolboard at the drop of the hat, so no hard punishments could work either. Ultimately I abused my peers and manipulated my mother to my benefit. I didn't receive physical punishment in school, but I absolutely should have. People are too naive in believing that every student has good in them. Some are legitimate sociopaths immune to social reprecussions and just want to hurt others. There is a legitimate claim that 'they're the one's hurting most', but that falls apart when you consider the net bad vs good that comes from their actions. When it comes to the benefit of the other students, sometimes physical punishment is the only language that a certain kind of kid can understand.
Thanks for being honest. I wasn't a malicious child, but I was definitely someone who didn't shut up in class and played more of the goofster role. Teachers would get very frustrated, but all I wanted to do was get back home and play some video games. I can't speak for everyone, because maybe there's a few people here who have actually been abused by a teacher, but I honestly think about 95% of it is bologna. Teachers are far too busy with their work and homelives to be targetting children for no reason. I'm willing to bet a great deal of these people have very little self awareness and don't realize that a lot of the awful things that happen to them are due to their own actions. Now does that mean I agree with NL? I agree with him that people are being dramatic and that a lot of these students are terminators who cannot be bargained with etc etc. Probably shouldn't make them do jumping jacks or wall sits. Not because it's abusive, but just because it probably wouldn't work. What could end up happening is some of the students could try to push you to see how far you'll go. Instead you should be respectful, document all transgressions, give warnings that you will act on, and inform higher ups. There's nothing else you can do really.
My health class did something similar to what NL described, there's really nothing more to it than a teacher who doesnt want to wait for the kids to stop giggling every time they say penis and vagina.
nah man taking away halo from the entire class because a single kid's name was "sweatygooch" is an insane thing to do. if i was that kid i would still hold a grudge to this day.
Yeah it was so uncalled for
What streamer were you watching before you recently ascended to NL supremacy? No judgement
i mean i didnt really watch twitch before cause i found most streamers quite boring tbh. i mostly watched youtube
not every take from NL needs to be the best, most air tight well thought out thing in the universe. hes just a dude. calling him some kinda fascist for a shitty take on punishment. tell me ur still a teenager without telling me ur still a teenager.
Please look into Félix Guattari's lecture "Everybody Wants to be a Fascist". Just because "hes just a dude" doesn't make him immune to fascist ideology/desires. I just believe it's important to state that we're all susceptible to it. He is no different.
@@femboygenius I wanna argue with you, but I've been advised that this would only negatively effect my mental for no good reason when I have much more pressing matters to attend to in IRL. Thanks for the suggestion, I haven't read any leftist theory or studied enough philosophy to even begin to interface with any of this. I'm just a CS student who likes watching Northernlion, so try to understand how all of this talk about fascism is kind of insane to me.
@@NoTwo It's no problem and I understand. Which is why I made the comment in the first place. I just think it's better we listen to what people are saying and engage with it in productive conversation rather than just dissmissing it as someone being a child. Even if people in these comments are children, their voices matter too. Also online conversations just make it easy to have kneejerk reactions. It's all something to be aware of.
Anyways, have a good day!
@@femboygenius I mean, fair. But I feel like I have a little bit of a point when some people are insinuating NL practices police brutality apologia based on his opinions on child discipline, which I get are wacky, but is a stretch to describe as fascism, and leaps and bounds away from police brutality apologia, but that's just my opinion. Kneejerk reaction begets kneejerk reaction. At the end of the day, we're all just a bunch of meat sacks that wanna have a nice life with good people. This shit matters so little it's comedic.
I hope you have a good day too.
Oh hey, further proof that you idolise him. There's a big gap between air tight arguments and going on a tangent about how kids might deserve a form of punishment that is abusive, potentially traumatic, and is widely known to be ineffective. If you weren't a teenager, you would be able to see the gravity of even remotely normalising something like this, instead of giving a pass because NL is "just a silly little guy".
Damn there’s just too many people here crying over the fact Ryan is calling out how scuffed the system is such that teachers who get paid very little are put in a hard position where they need to instil basic respect and discipline into a child who is clearly not getting that at home. It’s not the teacher’s responsibility to be able to pick up on the fact that you have undiagnosed neurodivergencies or that you’re vulnerable to being ultra traumatized from basic punishment. They don’t know your story; they have 30-50 other kids to supervise. It’s your parents and doctor’s job. If you want teachers to be trained enough to properly handle difficult kids without any risk of physical discipline, maybe contact your government to tell them to tax you more and give that to teachers instead of 80% of it going to the military
I'm sorry but it kinda is. In the end the teacher is responsible for the kids education and well-being and the kids aren't responsible for the teacher, it's an unfair situation but that's what it is. A good teacher will absolutely pick up on those things. Now you can say they're not paid enough or given the resources to do their job well and I can understand that, but that doesn't mean that that situation is fine.
NL's take on the last video basically boiled down to "I hated being punished as a kid, but now that I'm an adult I understand it and I think it's fine" and the backlash in the chat/comments really feels "I am currently a kid and I hate being punished, shit take NL". Like the most mild punishments ever is being lauded as the most inhumane way you could treat a child. I'm in my 20's and It makes me want to say some boomer shit, like, kids these days are too soft.
To be fair it's normal for a child to be emotional and make a fairly unsupported argument
nice strawman you're arguing against man.
It's because they probably have no experience in the classroom as a teacher. I've seen so many doe-eyed teachers come through thinking they were gonna be everyone's favorite Many of whom had terrible experiences with teachers themselves, and had a favorite teacher that they wanted to emulate. Most of them get ground down into nothing and disappear from the profession. Can you imagine spending 4-6 years in college to quit during your first year? All of that debt and all of that time wasted? A lot of these people really have no idea at all what is going on between teachers, students, administrators, and parents. Not saying you should punish children in the way NL suggested, but these people think they're just gonna go in there and get these kids respect? They better have a spine and be ready to squash shit before it starts if they want any chance.
Every teacher take chat gives pisses me off. So many have never taught and it shows
"Every police conversation pisses me off. So many have never been in the police and it shows."
...bro lmao @@xzczcwc
@@xzczcwc "every film critic pisses me off, they've never even made a movie and it shows."