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Knowing that Ashton's brother was critically ill and that Ashton attempted suicide as a young teen in order to donate his organs to his brother, gives his performance in this movie much more gravity to me.
@@tammichenard1024 oh wow, I heard losing a brother as a twin is even more brutal and a-typical from other forms of grief because of how unique and incredibly intimate the relationship between twins are. That must be so incredibly difficult..
This is definitely one of those movies where, despite all the flaws, you just have to respect that the filmmakers were absolutely not afraid to GO THERE.
Whats interesting (and incredibly depressing) to note is, that the previous miscarriages of the mom were most likely also the result of time travel suicide
And that it's only passed down from father to son, hence the implication of the line being broken with the birth of their daughter at the end of the director's cut
This movie changed my life. I was in a very dark place when I watched this. I saw the directors cut. It was like 3-4am. I called my mom, kind of rambling, ugly crying. It is my favorite movie, but I dont think I can ever watch it again.
I watched this movie again a few days ago and a subtle but interesting detail I noticed is that the aforementioned "butterfly effect" initially occurs when Evan meets that girl at the bar and she asks him to read her diaries. Such a simple thing, but it went unnoticed several times... a totally remote, random event, made him screw up.
I was so annoyed watching that scene like she just entered the dorm room and is instantly going through his drawers and under his bed looking for incense not knowing the weight of her ill-mannered actions.
Director's cut is the most consistent because his mother mentions the stillborns. This implies that the babies before him have experienced entire lives in the same fashion and chose death because it was the only outcome to help those around them. Therefore, Evan must do the same.
It might've been the most consistent but that wouldn't align with the chaos theory: Every single person out of that womb happened to come to the same conclusion? That almost speaks of some kind of predetermination! Also you can see from the final scene of the director's cut that the mother does suffer a lot from his decision. It's just that he's sheltered from experiencing the suffering he brought, so at least in the theatrical ending he spared the most suffering caused by him - except toward himself. For me it's kind of laughable to weigh the suffering of missing out on "one true love" versus all the mental and physical trauma the movie throws at you. It's not like he can't find another person to live with.
@@KingOfShadeEmpire But I think there's a "with great power" problem here where he'll always be tempted to change things for the better and can't, or worst case he'll have a child and continue the curse, so like his father had already realized it needs to stop with him. Sure mom's bummed out but it's her 3rd and presumably last stillborn.
Also because at some point, the time traveler will experience brain death from constant traveling. That final trip had to either end it in the womb or live as a vegetable
It's actually hard to believe Ashton Kutcher was so hated at one point that it manage to create unfair backlash to this film. I have nothing but positive memories and opinions of the man from growing up with that 70s show and the occasional news story about his philanthropic work.
It was because of the snarkiness of Punk’d. He wasn’t in That 70s Show likeable Kelso era at that point. He was just terrorizing other celebrities for views.
This is honestly my favorite movie of his, besides Open Season. One's an animated slapstick comedy and the other is an intense psychological thriller. It really shows his range, despite mostly acting in comedies!
I saw it the first Time with the self-abortion ending without knowing about the other 3 and it made a lot of sense to me, maybe because that cut of the movie also had a few scenes that added foreshadowing to that ending
I remember renting this movie thinking it was absolutely great (depressing but great) until the ending came along and ruined the whole movie for me (the final cut version). I was literately so pissed of by the ending that I was standing up and screaming at the screen. Fortunately I had the habit of watching the bonus material on every DVD and blue-ray back in those days so I was able to watch the alternative ending and that managed to save the movie a bit for me again, but the final cut version still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The story-line of the movie is so bleak anyways so there is no way you can escape with a "happy ending", why not just commit to the tone of your movie and go all the way. It`s the same with movies such as I am Legend were they don`t want the people leaving the cinema seats in a sad state so they opt for a slightly happier ending on the final cut of the movie.
VASTLY prefer the theatrical ending with the crossing paths on the street, and how bittersweet it is. We're left wondering if he actually recognises her. The director's cut, which AFAIK contains a scene where a literal fortune teller tells Evan he has "no soul", and the infamous suicidal ending, REALLY hits in a far more negative and depressing (to a fault) way. On the DVD I had, on the bonus features, was all the endings available - including an ending where Evan walks past Kayleigh on the street, but turns ands starts a conversation (it was called Happy Sappy Ending). That ending would have been too perfect, as it would have been if he saved everyone and got the perfect outcome. The "two strangers pass on the street" ending was perfect.
Sappy ending is the best until Kaleigh realizes Evan is the kid who threatened her back then lol. I like the suggestions that they can work out if they had stable childhoods though. Truly the best ending for everyone.
The Director’s Cut is so extremely dark & nihilistic. It’s intensely depressing, it’s like if Charlie Kaufman wrote the short story The Sound Of Thunder. Great video Ryan!
The first time I saw this movie, it was the director's cut. As someone who struggles with depression who sometimes feels that everyone would be better off without me, the ending made me bawl.
I'm pretty sure that in that final scene, Evan's wearing a St. Christopher's medal. This is kind of amazing since St. Christopher is the patron saint of both traveling (like Evan does through time) & epilepsy (like the seizures Evan has)
@@deanwinchester3356 It's one thing to be a multifaceted human who experiences a wide range of emotions, and it's another to be an actor capable of portraying these varied experiences convincingly to an audience.
@@mollytovxx4181 He played it convincingly to me. Seemed like a 22 year old college kid who has no idea what is happening to his world. Personally I never thought anyone thought Ashton was a bad actor… unlike Kristen Stewart who mumbles and makes distressing noises in every film she makes like Twilight or Jennifer Aniston who plays Rachel in every single movie I’ve ever seen. She even LOOKS the same (that washed out blonde hair).
@@deanwinchester3356 to be fair to Kirsten Stewart the director wanted her to mumble and make weird noises in Twilight that's what they pictured Bella like. I've only seen her in a few things outside of Twilight but she was notably better. Everyone in Twilight acts like they have razors in their throat that cause them pain whenever they speak lol
I always got the impression that he was happy to see his mother dying of cancer because it gave him a selfless excuse to change the time line to one where he doesn't lose his limbs and has to watch everyone around him be happy.
One thing that I never got was, tommy try’s to kill Evan right out of prison right? And evan kills tommy in self defense, so a violent ex con attempts to kill someone straight after he gets out of jail. No jury in the world would convict evan for acting in self defense he never would of gone to prison for that
Idk our system is fucked, shit happens. They either didn't believe his story, Kayleigh testified against him and lied or told the truth hysterically (she seemed very against Evan, so I wouldn't have put that past her in this timeline), or the police saw him on top of the dude killing him and just assumed he was a cold-blooded murderer.
It was not self defense. Self defense is only Possible when you can’t retreat. He was on top of the other man and killed him while he was incapacitated. Its 100% 2nd Degree murder. Not even Manslaughter. Just another example, if u ever shoot someone in self defense, u can still go to prison if you didnt try to escape first.
@@starfishandroid you’re talking about a rule that only exists in certain states, that’s not a national thing. It’s called the duty to retreat, and it’s honestly kinda stupid. In most states what Evan did would still be self defense
and it has two direct to video sequels! They don't follow the same characters though. I don't think. (though it'd be a heck of a twist if they were all prequels following his mothers other lost babies)
I only ever saw the director's cut ending. I think I'd actually have preferred only having seen the theatrical one! The aftermath of killing himself is like, the same montage of the kids growing up stable but then it shows his mom utterly broken in the hospital bed post partum.
Personally, I prefer the theatrical cut's ending. Even though the director's cut's ending might be a better fit for the general nihilism of the movie, I think the theatrical cut makes more sense from a character growth perspective. Evan killing himself in the womb kinda comes off as a childish "Well, if I can't have it my way, I'll just end it all" kind of thing, while putting his efforts to "fix" Kayleigh's life behind him shows that he's willing to move on with his life, even if it means having a future he wouldn't have preferred. Plus, it also shows there's more than one way to dodge the family curse. Evan's father and his older siblings all tried to "fix" the past but ended up dying (or hospitalised, depending on the timeline) in the effort. Evan choosing the ending in the theatrical cut shows that it's possible for someone to have this power, but also have a good life in spite of it. Ironically, it's also probably the best outcome presented. Even though nobody gets a "happily ever after" in this cut, they also had happier, more stable childhoods and were better able to build a happily ever after for themselves. Maybe Kayleigh doesn't end up with Evan or Lenny, but all three could find relationships that they'd find equally satisfying and fulfilling over the long term. I tend to be of the opinion that this is much more consistent with how Evan was presented early on in the film when he's first in college. He's presented as being a highly intelligent, relatively stable guy. Someone like that would probably realise that this kind of ending is the best possible outcome for him, especially after four or five loops.
@@Checkers1993ify I agree. Suicide seems the wrong kind of bleak ending for the story they created up to that point. Not to mention the fact that the lineage having to end with him to prevent further time traveling chaos could be achieved with, you know, a vasectomy. He could adopt a child if he felt fatherly afterwards.
One of the saddest movies of my childhood. However, it really taught me an important life lesson…you can’t change the past. That has still stuck with me to this day.
If I remember correctly, Evan's mother said she had babies before, but they all died during childbirth. Evan was "the miracle" baby. Combining this info with the director’s cut creates an interesting implication.
Wait... I remember watching the directors cut randomly on TV and never thought about that. Time travel must be somehow genetic seeing as the father also has it and the implication that his unborn brothers and sisters did what they did says that there's not even one, not a single "ok at best" ending Now thats fucked up
Regarding the Director's Cut ending. Evan's mom called him her "Miracle Child" since all of her earlier children died in utero implying this story line has happened to all of her children.
This is probably one of my favorite movies of all time. It invokes emotions in myself that are hard to understand. But as a person who made horrible decisions as an kid, and then eventually grew up to be a father and all around good person the theatrical ending reminds me i dont have to feel guilt about my past and that as long as i move forward with good intentions ill always be doing my best.
As a teen this film rocked my world. It felt more grown up and mature than most of the other horror/supernatural films I was engaging in. Now the melodrama of it all can swerve into unintentional comedy, as the video stated. But I still find the film ambitious and earnest in its goals. In a lot of ways it's head and shoulders above most other genre films of its time. It's a bit goofy now, but I subscribe to the notion that I'd much rather watch and interest film that doesn't quite stick the landing than a well made bore.
Yes, YES! I had hoped for so long some horror/movie channel would talk about The Butterfly Effect eventually! It's been forever since I watched the movie, but it left such a deep impression on me. Still unsettles me to this day.
This reminds me of the episode "It's a wishful life" from the Fairly Odd Parents. He realizes everyone would actually be better off if he never existed
I was strangely obsessed with this movie when I was in college. I even did a project centered around it…..I was also obsessed with “Donnie Darko”, “Requiem for a Dream”, & “Final Destination” so it makes sense now. I absolutely LOVED the misery porn of the 00’s. (I also worked at Blockbuster and went to film school so I was one of “those people”)
Misery porn. That’s a good term. I liked many of those movies you mentioned too. Also “Girl Interrupted”, “Cruel Intentions” and “Thirteen”. All those dark movies from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.
@@deanwinchester3356 ….I’ve seen them all. My favorite is “The Cure” about two best friends who go in the search for the cure for AIDS, when one of them catches it. The other boy is abused too for good measure.
Honestly the most brutal part of the director's cut ending is the mom screaming "NOT AGAIN". This horrible cursed life was done three times before. He was just the fourth one. Absolutely horrendous.
Ashton Kutcher has had some unspeakable things happen to him, and now he's busting people doing unspeakable things. I think he did a good job. This movie made me so fucking upset as a kid, so much so Akira was a pallette cleanser. Like it boogles my mind he found his gf murdered the on the floor
“I used to be with it. Then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. It’ll happen to you.” - Abe Simpson, philosopher
I get what you mean. The ending is so overwhelmingly depressing that you don’t *WANT* it to be the one that fits better but when you actually think about it it does fit better with both the themes and tone of the movie as a whole. It kinda reminds me of a much more serious version of little shop of horrors where the original ending that actually fit the plot involved the world being taken over but people were so upset by it that it was changed to give a bittersweet ending instead, despite the original being the better ending for the story.
Eh I disagree. The theatrical ending was a satisfying bookend to a story that never should have been (the characters lives the way they originally played out). The directors cut was little too... silly imo. It didn't have a sad reality of the theatrical one - the sad reality of life that was consistent throughout the film - and just took me out of it as it verged on the ludicrous. But hey, we see things differently and that''s cool. Still an awesome film.
8:25 yes. I hate that. For me, every time travel story is going to have a plothole (a legitimate one, not some nitpicking bs) because no matter how meticulous the rules are, they’re gonna be broken for the story’s sake. So it comes down to how well time travel serves the story and how it’s handled.
This movie is better than people give it credit for. The side characters completely changing after each time jump is done well. Watching Ashton's character fall deeper and deeper into a void with no escape (well one escape in the extended cut) and given the time travel plots flow well into each other.
@kshamwhizzle oh yea that would be a reason why, although maybe some didnt like some parts of it which i understand, there are some flaws but i mainly think it was ahead of its time and had actors that were probably typecast like you are saying
Because it's 153 minutes of misery that doesn't have a happy ending. Additionally, the director's cut is the version that made the rounds on movie pirating sites, so a lot of people saw the most batshit insane ending that wasn't satisfying at all.
@@Lyndiloo 153 minutes? Not even close to the actual runtime its less than 2 hours also that ending may not have been satisfying in that sense it made sense considering how he wasnt even supposed to exist. People complain about endings being too happy but then get mad when theres an ending thats brutal and sad
I think the reasoning behind the hand stabbing bit and why the inmate “remembers” is because evan was in the same timeline except this time he has holes in his hands. That’s why the inmate doesn’t really remember but is watching in real time what is happening in the present. He witnesses the holes being formed in evan hands because it was such a minor event in the timeline that it just changes in real time.
That was my theory as well. Small changes without "butterfly effects" aren't enough to change the timeline. So whatever it changes, it does so in real time. But the movie didn't properly establish that, so...
@@ufazig The whole point of the butterfly effect is that even the smallest changes have big consequences. The movie just broke it's own rules because it needed to for the scene to happen. Edit: For what happened to occur, his physical body would need to be able to transgress timelines, which wasn't set up, or acknowledged.
@@Hoganply Yes. But I think realistically, the movie would create more issues trying to explain why a small change (such as the cigarette scar) would cause major changes. However, the scene in question would absolutely not be a small change. He stopped in the middle of the classroom and destroyed his hand. So yeah, that scene is an issue.
Yeah I think that's what they wanted us to think but it was a cheap way to further the plot. I much prefer the impact of the idea that he has this amazing ability and no way to show it to others or prove it because he creates a different future with every change.
Even if you go with that theory, that means the timelines would be unchanged, except for the fact that he had scars on his hands since childhood. Thus he had scars when he went into the prison in this time-line, so nothing changed in that gaurds perspective
The Director's Cut ending is so edgy it's almost comical. (Miscarriage is awful but it's the execution with the aged cgi and the thought of a fetus with literal sentience that did it mostly.)
This movie is on my 'never to rewatch' list, despite being pretty good in my opinion. The scene with the dog messed me up so badly as a teenager that I never really got over it. Misery Porn is an apt description of the helplessness I felt while watching it. Thanks for the, as always, fantastic analysis!
@@Cazz8203 if the movie had focused on that scene with horrible detail it might have bothered me more. Being blown up seems like a quicker death than being burned alive? Just my opinion though bro, you feel them feelings.
Please watch DOMINION on youtube. If you care about animals at all there is something you can do other than just being traumatized by fictional violence against them.
This movie directly changed my life. After seeing the torment Tommy caused to people made me stop being a bully in school. Seeing how making small changes caused him to be religious and a nice guy struck such a chord with me. I didn't become religious but I did start to develop empathy and this movie will always hold an incredibly special place in my heart.
I remember watching this when I was 10 and crying my eyes out at the ending. This movie impacted me so much, it was one of my favorites. Not sure if it has aged well but hey it has a huge soft spot in my heart
Honestly, at least going off of this video, the theatrical ending feels better to me. Like sure the director's cut is more thematically fitting, but first of all him strangling himself with his umbilical cord is honestly kind of hilarious, and also I just feel like a bittersweet ending to round out all the suffering just feels right. Like, sure, it's not a fairy tale ending, a movie like this couldn't have one, but it's a good way to unwind from the madness and come away with something positive.
Fun fact. That scene between the two bridges where they're burning all of Evan's memorabilia? My work office is 50 feet to the left. It's a wacky industrial area but also full of wildlife.
That part in the movie when the dog dies in the bag, really stuck with me. I was a 17 year old teenager when I saw the movie, and I still remember it as if it was yesterday. That may be the only serious part of the movie that I may never forget.
I saw this for the first time as a kid. My sister showed me the alternate ending first, which was truly devastating to see as a kid and you reminding me of it was just as painful and heartbreaking as when I first saw it. I definitely prefer the theatrical ending where everyone is able to live a relatively happy life because he and the girl don’t become friends. Very underrated film.
For years I thought the director's cut was the normal ending, because the dvd I owned as a teenager, didnt say director's cut. That might have something to do with it being the EU release, not sure.
I wonder if this was true for all the DVDs? I didn't watch this movie, but someone I knew did and described it to me after. She definitely mentioned the "strangled self in womb" thing, and she definitely wasn't the type to watch alternate endings.
I'm in the US and that's the ending I saw as well. I don't remember if I saw it on some station or I got the DVD but this is the ending I always remember.
@@EmeraldAshesAudio In the US version of the DVD that was definitely the ending that played by default, and you had to watch the others in the menu. I had this when I was like 10/11 and watched it multiple times and didn't even know there WERE other endings than the suicide one.
I was 10/11 when I watched it too and all I could think was why they didn't try to know each other at the ending. Was I too dumb or my brain was just trying to save me the trauma? 😭,😭😭
In the director's cut there was an added scene where Andrea tells Evan she was pregnant twice before Evan but they died the same way Evan does later on. Makes you realize that they also screwed up their lives with this curse and had no other option but to do the same thing.
There is a stronger word than depressing for this movie, it is hopelessly disconsolate. BTW, did you know that the origin of our concept of the 'butterfly effect' comes from a Bradbury short story titled 'A Sound of Thunder'? It predates Lorenz's model by 8 years!
I've never heard the term disconsolate before, but it definitely sounds like a stronger word than depressing. This movie is definitely that. I remember seeing it in college and thinking it was one of the most bleak mainstream Hollywood films I'd ever seen.
The sound of Thunder was about consequences even if the outcome is bleak. This, sounds like it wanted to be just plain misery and reason to off yourself because your just not happy and it’s because of a family curse
Ray Bradbury kicks ass at writing existentially bleak stories. The other day somebody asked me what I thought would be the scariest way to go and I said “drifting off into space” and they immediately recommended “kaleidoscope”. His stories are so bleak and terrifying in that slow, quiet way that I literally can’t get enough of.
Thank you for this one Ryan. I struggle with mental illness, and this one resonated with me on a deep level. I appreciate you and the effort you put into your work. I look forward to the next one.
5th timeline, as a wheelchair user, was such a hamfisted attempt at depicting us that it horseshoed right around into unintentional high comedy. That’s not to say that this is a bad movie, frankly it’s one of my guilty pleasures, but damn it’s so funny to watch.
His reaction to discovering this says it all frankly. I wanted to navigate that timeline as carefully as possible because there’s some stuff in there that sends very mixed messages.
@Jackie Nova if we accept what his dad says, in that he and his bloodline cause misery in the lives of those they love, then the fifth sequences can't be the best outcome. That can only be the theatrical ending since everyone is happy, his friends live fulfilling lives and his mother gets the child she's always wanted, and he has to live with knowing the isolating truth.
Im gonna say this, I keep finding myself coming back to your channel not just for the love of cinema but the true, real appeciation of it. Its great that someone out there can make a popular trend of allowing new and old timers experience film in a new and exciting way, especially for ones that have already seen, to unite in a raw perspective of opinion. Thank you for what you do.
I was too young when I’ve watched this movie for the first time. And as an added bonus it was Director’s cut. And I was smartdumb enough to understand that all MC’s mom miscarriages probably were her children who lived but chose to go back and die. TRAUMATISED!
i saw this movie in my senior year english class and i loved it, it made me cried and i adored ashton kutcher's performance in this movie. this movie is one that tears your soul out that you enjoy but you never wanna watch it again.
My brother was absolutely obsessed with this movie when we were younger. I personally didn't care all too much for it (and I'm also someone who suffers from the like issue of "try to convince me to watch/read/play something too many times and it will just make me not want to bother") but it wasn't until recently that I actively started like. Appreciating some bits of the film. ... Although the Director's Cut ending is still probably the most depressing thing I've seen since Requiem for a Dream's ending. And I say this as someone who actively likes The VVitch.
@@SgtNicholasAngle Oh of course, of course! I personally consider The VVitch's ending to be more bittersweet with a heavy emphasis on "bitter" considering the shit Thomasin went through only to become part of the coven responsible for her family's steady decline. (Although I still consider her father's stubborn pride to be the main reasoning.)
Why yes, the extreme and depressing content is why I love both The Butterfly Effect and Requiem for a Dream. The more emotionally intense and the more intense the violence and disturbing content, the better. I like my films hard hitting, fast paced, and extreme.
This movie was/is a classic for me in the stage of Donnie Darko, 2001 and other all time classics! Also it seems so be the best portrait of time travel, with the thousand changes with one little change from him and also that he is not time traveling with his body but rather his consiousness
This film really hit me when I'm watched it on release back when I was 18 and it still haunts me years later. I've gone through bad depression and have mental health issues and yes I've had many times when I believed everyone would be better off without me. Sadly its a question I'm sure everyone has asked at some point in their lives. I enjoy stuff regarding the butterfly effect, the whole what if question. Life is Strange and Until Dawn are great video games if anyone is interested in trying them out.
Coincidentally, I revisited this movie last week and one part I did not remember was how... edgy it felt. It gets to a point where the universe is just rubbing it in on them.
You say "edgy" I say "dark". I don't gave a problem with "dark" movies. If anything I prefer them BUT this one I saw once. Even now, its something I don't chose to revisit. And I've seen Hereditary, Irreversible, etc. and other such movies multiple times. It just resonates on a certain psychological level that is super uncomfortable along with the traumatic events.
yeah, it gets so comically sad that it becomes what is called "grimdark". I guess that's why I could never feel like this was actually a sad story, because so much suffering porn becomes a bit ridiculous. As a 1970's comedian used to say: "It's not just overdramatic writing. Those characters suffer in bold letters and cry in italic". It turns itself almost into the first half of a Mexican telenovella.
@@edisonlima4647 Well, you haven't experienced this much depressing events in your life probably. I disagree with you, as I know suffering after suffering happens for some people and isn't illogical.
@@Davidvanzutphen I absolutely agree. What makes me uncomfortable is contempt from people who find ridiculous and unbelievable hellish spirals life can put some people through. And let's not forget that he basically lives five lives, not all the bad happens on the same timeline. Apparently some people don't know what tragedies are, or just don't pay attention to what's around. Good for us.
I love the director's cut. His mom says, he was her miracle baby, and the fact he killed himself (as a self-aware, time traveling baby), suggests, that all of his prior siblings went through the same experiences. It is dark and unique. Amy and Ashton (whats their names) did a fine job, but this movie would have crushed, if they used better, and less known actors. (in my opinion)
Truth. One of the only times I used a RUclips discount code and I do like my Raycons. Granted, I’m old and they’re my first wireless headphones, so I may just be enamored with what, to me, are rather newfangled contraptions.
what a great movie! although I'm a big fan of bleak tragic ending, that ''Stop Crying Your Heart Out by Oasis'' soundtrack at the end just elevated the movie to another level
We watched this on a bus on an 8th grade field trip a year after this came out and the parents agreed because they thought it was an Ashton Kutcher comedy. Everyone was horrified to say the least.
This reminds me of being on a trip with the school band where the parents got to pick a movie for the bus and chose Black Swan bc they erroneously thought it was just one of those dance/athletic movies that were really popular with preteen girls at the time
Yes, I have wanted to go back in time and change one thing - my mom dying from cancer. I don't know what would happen to me or how my life would be different now, but to prevent her from suffering all that pain and getting to live longer, would be enough for me.
Im happy you did a video on this movie. I saw this as a teen and i couldnt stop thinking about it. I thought and still think its one of the most underrated movies ever. It got shit on by critics.
Maybe it was due to my being a young man when I watched this film in the theatres, but I absolutely loved this movie. I remember watching it several times after it came out and not understanding all the hate for it. I thought Kutcher did a pretty damn good job in this movie, and the premise and execution of it blew my mind and left me thinking about this movie for a long long time. And as I come to the end of this video I just realized... Kutcher's blackouts were him time travelling into his younger self.... so does that mean that all of his changes to the timeline were predestined? I mean, he blacked out before he time travelled, and the fact that those blackouts still happened in all timelines leaves me with an even more hollow feeling. Kutcher's character is tormented by his own decisions, but if he was always destined to time travel and meddle, does that mean that none of his choices were his own?
If you are interested in good and dark time travel media, I can suggest the german series "Dark". It explores the concept of time travelling in depth with loops of consequences and their origins while generally adopting a rather dark tone overall.
Before you said this is one of the most depressing films you've ever seen, I was about to comment how its constant depression is memorable to me as a dark drama and a cinema fan. However the plot twists never end and watching this depression bundle only few times is enough. I always thought Evan's choices were from his subjective perspective, not considering that maybe his friends didn't see their lives the same way, and another interesting thing is that no matter how perfect a timeline you find, you never know how things can change in the next five years and it could _still_ be the "worse" choice - which I guess makes this movie great to teach you to enjoy the little things in life. P.S. I never had a problem with the acting, sounds like people were too latched onto Kutcher doing comedy roles instead of trying something new, and I think he was great. P.P.S. Thankfully I never knew the baby ending existed until watching this video.
I think Kutcher is a fine actor. People were just pissed because he went from the main comedy relief in That 70s Show, to films where he wanted to be more than just a comedy actor. Which is fine. Like, Kutcher pretty much stuck with comedy films and shows after this, but not many can say they went out the typecssting.
I watched this film with my dad. Enjoyed it, but then forgot about it for a while, I would occasionally remember small details but never the entire film, so I’m glad I could find it again, it’s one of my favourite films
I really appreciate how this as a teen movie (cause that's what it is) tackles with such heavy subjects, taking more seriously it's audience than most at the time. The problem is that all these subjects and questions never have a real developing. Also for me was always weird that only the people around evan were traumatized by what happened, and evan seems to grow up (in most scenarios) to be a "normal" guy. Last thing to note is that there were like 4 endings or something like, and some versions had what I call the "fetus ending" where evan kills himself in the womb, so I get why people never bothered watching it again if they saw that ending at that time. Don't know if you talk about it cause I haven't watched the whole thing yet Edit: so you pretty much talk about all of this, don't mind me then hahaha
I feel like the director's cut ending would play better if he was going back to when he was an infant or toddler. The concept of strangling himself with his umbilical cord is just. Super campy in a way that doesn't fit. Especially the way it's shot, good lord. (Also, like. generally if they see a baby that close to due date having an emergency they'd try for an emergency delivery. Strangling someone takes a long time! Although I do love the one nurse who just looks incredibly done with the whole thing. "Yeah, today I saw a kid strangle himself on the ultrasound. I'm finding another career")
i feel like it should also be harder to strangle someone if they're immersed in any sort of liquid? i mean i nearly failed physics in high school but shouldn't the water create resistance or something that would actively make it harder? it just feels so weird
My brother was almost strangled by his own umbilical cord, but the doctors didn't knew and he was born naturally, instead of a c-section which would probably be the best emercency option. My mom says the doctor literally took the newborn baby, and unraveled the cord out of his throat. Poor boy has his whole head purple for a few days after that :( But the movie clearly didn't do this fetus deletus very well, since a baby so close to due has not enough space to do that at all XD Fae B. yeah, the baby probably can't die because of suffocation as we understand the term, but most probably by the cord itself, since the lungs don't really work until the baby is born, the cord itself is what transports the oxygen and nutrients. I think a good comparison would be putting your feet on a hose with water running. The other side of the hose will dry and then voilà... Probably
@@Bane_Amesta oooo i see, that makes so much sense. and makes the movie have even less sense in hindsight i think. but i guess they just didn't do their homework and went 'y'know what a baby suicide in the womb would be such a powerful horror image'
@@faeb.9618I think it would be equally edgy as a baby but I assume anyway of a baby killing himself would show the mom as uncaring. Like, it's not a quick thing to do, dangerous things are not left at their hand reach level.
As much as I agree with this because the scene (although a clever ending) was really cringey to watch, I feel like the whole 'death in the womb' thing ties it all together best. The mother says about how she had numerous miscarriages before Evan came to be, which indicates this could potentially have happened before to his siblings with the same genes and ability to change their fates 🤔
I really enjoyed this film. I watched it as a kid and then rewatched it in college, surprised by how well it held up. Several scenes (especially the cruel ones with Tommy) still sticks with me since my first viewing. It's definitely one of the better time travel movies out there--it has an interesting and heartbreaking story that is surprisingly easy to follow. Also, Ashton did a good job despite how people may perceive him as an actor. I'm glad you gave this movie the credit it deserves.
This is one of my favorite movies that I always forget to mention when I talk about what my favorite movies are. I know it's not the best film ever but I still absolutely love it
damn ryan, as a long time fan, i gotta say you knocked it out of the park with this one. amazing work with compelling raw honesty. thanks for your efforts
*What crazy movie should I cover next?! Comment below!!* ... Also, that's technically a hint about the next video.
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The Crazies
I’d love to see you cover Mike Flanagan’s Doctor Sleep or Storm of the Century. Keep up the good work Ryan!
Session 9? Chasing sleep? Dead birds?
Here's my obligatory request for Night in the Woods and Pink Floyd's The Wall.
The Void and the Fear Street movies.
Knowing that Ashton's brother was critically ill and that Ashton attempted suicide as a young teen in order to donate his organs to his brother, gives his performance in this movie much more gravity to me.
Wait really? Geez thats heavy
Holy shit
Yeah it was his twin brother.
@@tammichenard1024 oh wow, I heard losing a brother as a twin is even more brutal and a-typical from other forms of grief because of how unique and incredibly intimate the relationship between twins are.
That must be so incredibly difficult..
@@PoptartParasol dont worry, ashtons brother michael is still alive and well
This is definitely one of those movies where, despite all the flaws, you just have to respect that the filmmakers were absolutely not afraid to GO THERE.
Yeah it's one of my favorite movies cause of that, I've never seen anything like it and haven't seen anything since
Try this one - Into The Void
Whats interesting (and incredibly depressing) to note is, that the previous miscarriages of the mom were most likely also the result of time travel suicide
Bro, imagine if she learned all this.
Hoo boy. Shit. That is just legitimately awful.
And that it's only passed down from father to son, hence the implication of the line being broken with the birth of their daughter at the end of the director's cut
Yikes
@@tehCrusix oh that makes so much sense now
Just realised the ending I grew up thinking was the real ending.. was the directors cut ending 😧
Same wish i had seen the theatrical version first
That's the ending I remember as well.
same :/
Same lmao I saw this when I was like 10
yep.
This movie changed my life. I was in a very dark place when I watched this. I saw the directors cut. It was like 3-4am. I called my mom, kind of rambling, ugly crying. It is my favorite movie, but I dont think I can ever watch it again.
Good for you! You have released all that sad, dark, negative emotion in you. You literally did change. ✌️🤍💫
I feel the same about post-rock music
I love this movie
Hope you are doing well
Same here. I consider it as one of my all-time favorites yet I’ve never ever (wanted) watched it again since the first couple of times watching it
I watched this movie again a few days ago and a subtle but interesting detail I noticed is that the aforementioned "butterfly effect" initially occurs when Evan meets that girl at the bar and she asks him to read her diaries.
Such a simple thing, but it went unnoticed several times... a totally remote, random event, made him screw up.
You literally summed up the whole Butterfly Effect Theory with that note! very cleaver.
If I remember didn't she also have a butterfly tattoo?
I was so annoyed watching that scene like she just entered the dorm room and is instantly going through his drawers and under his bed looking for incense not knowing the weight of her ill-mannered actions.
This movie is such a weird trip. Everything about it is a different kind of unexpected.
Definitely one of the darkest movies I've ever seen.
I love this movie and will not watch any other Ashton Kusher work because of that fact.
@@howiegruwitz3173 if you love this movie in which Ashton is the lead, why would you not watch his other works
It's a crap movie, good idea, horrible writing.
@@dannygreen5477 it’s really not but ok lol
Director's cut is the most consistent because his mother mentions the stillborns. This implies that the babies before him have experienced entire lives in the same fashion and chose death because it was the only outcome to help those around them. Therefore, Evan must do the same.
It might've been the most consistent but that wouldn't align with the chaos theory: Every single person out of that womb happened to come to the same conclusion? That almost speaks of some kind of predetermination! Also you can see from the final scene of the director's cut that the mother does suffer a lot from his decision. It's just that he's sheltered from experiencing the suffering he brought, so at least in the theatrical ending he spared the most suffering caused by him - except toward himself. For me it's kind of laughable to weigh the suffering of missing out on "one true love" versus all the mental and physical trauma the movie throws at you. It's not like he can't find another person to live with.
@@KingOfShadeEmpire But I think there's a "with great power" problem here where he'll always be tempted to change things for the better and can't, or worst case he'll have a child and continue the curse, so like his father had already realized it needs to stop with him. Sure mom's bummed out but it's her 3rd and presumably last stillborn.
Also because at some point, the time traveler will experience brain death from constant traveling. That final trip had to either end it in the womb or live as a vegetable
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It's actually hard to believe Ashton Kutcher was so hated at one point that it manage to create unfair backlash to this film. I have nothing but positive memories and opinions of the man from growing up with that 70s show and the occasional news story about his philanthropic work.
I think it was solely due to Punk'd.
He does great philantropic work. He founded a non profit against child exploitation that does some pretty good job
It was because of the snarkiness of Punk’d. He wasn’t in That 70s Show likeable Kelso era at that point. He was just terrorizing other celebrities for views.
Its probably the best thing he's ever done tbh I saw his character as a chapter not Ashton Kutcher
This is honestly my favorite movie of his, besides Open Season. One's an animated slapstick comedy and the other is an intense psychological thriller. It really shows his range, despite mostly acting in comedies!
*'If I was so special why did you abandon me? Why did you leave me here to rot?'*
That scene gave me the feels big time
I saw this in theaters, and man it bummed me out big time. The alternate ending is even more upsetting.
Yeah but I think we all know what “the alternate ending” is, it’s probably the most known thing about the movie
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I saw it the first Time with the self-abortion ending without knowing about the other 3 and it made a lot of sense to me, maybe because that cut of the movie also had a few scenes that added foreshadowing to that ending
I remember renting this movie thinking it was absolutely great (depressing but great) until the ending came along and ruined the whole movie for me (the final cut version). I was literately so pissed of by the ending that I was standing up and screaming at the screen. Fortunately I had the habit of watching the bonus material on every DVD and blue-ray back in those days so I was able to watch the alternative ending and that managed to save the movie a bit for me again, but the final cut version still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The story-line of the movie is so bleak anyways so there is no way you can escape with a "happy ending", why not just commit to the tone of your movie and go all the way. It`s the same with movies such as I am Legend were they don`t want the people leaving the cinema seats in a sad state so they opt for a slightly happier ending on the final cut of the movie.
Yeah I saw this in theaters with my buddies I skated with, definitely didn't do any boarding that day.
VASTLY prefer the theatrical ending with the crossing paths on the street, and how bittersweet it is. We're left wondering if he actually recognises her. The director's cut, which AFAIK contains a scene where a literal fortune teller tells Evan he has "no soul", and the infamous suicidal ending, REALLY hits in a far more negative and depressing (to a fault) way. On the DVD I had, on the bonus features, was all the endings available - including an ending where Evan walks past Kayleigh on the street, but turns ands starts a conversation (it was called Happy Sappy Ending). That ending would have been too perfect, as it would have been if he saved everyone and got the perfect outcome. The "two strangers pass on the street" ending was perfect.
Agreed. I'm glad that's the one on tubi (where I watched it) so it's the first and only one I've seen.
I loved the movie & the ending ❤
Sappy ending is the best until Kaleigh realizes Evan is the kid who threatened her back then lol.
I like the suggestions that they can work out if they had stable childhoods though. Truly the best ending for everyone.
The Director’s Cut is so extremely dark & nihilistic. It’s intensely depressing, it’s like if Charlie Kaufman wrote the short story The Sound Of Thunder. Great video Ryan!
Is that the one where he kills himself?
@@gamewizardthesecond fetus deletus
Fetal suicide. Don't do it.
Gotta be honest. I laughed when I heard the fetus strangles itself.
@@howiegruwitz3173 is it dark, yes? Is it hilarious, absolutely.
I'm convinced this movie was made in an alternate universe. It has an energy that just doesn't feel right.
I agree but then i have memories of making my grandma rent this for me at blockbusters. Seems like forever ago.
That's what makes it so great, it's original
BBL DRIZZY FEELS LIKE THAT FOR ME
The first time I saw this movie, it was the director's cut. As someone who struggles with depression who sometimes feels that everyone would be better off without me, the ending made me bawl.
It actually made me kind of happy, because his friends were better off, and he finally got some peace.
@@jackwells8107 yeah and as awful as a miscarriage is, it's not as bad as a misery compilation of a lifetime
@@bacicinvatteneaca his life was comically bad, its the only way that ending even remotely works too
I'm pretty sure that in that final scene, Evan's wearing a St. Christopher's medal. This is kind of amazing since St. Christopher is the patron saint of both traveling (like Evan does through time) & epilepsy (like the seizures Evan has)
Evan's original name was going to be Chris, but Chris Treborn was a little too on the nose. Christ Reborn 😅
I liked this movie. Aside from the premise, it definitely shows that Ashton Kutcher has range outside of the "goofy guy" persona.
I would say most people do in general. The fact that we think people only have 1 side in general is sickening.
@@deanwinchester3356 It's one thing to be a multifaceted human who experiences a wide range of emotions, and it's another to be an actor capable of portraying these varied experiences convincingly to an audience.
@@mollytovxx4181 He played it convincingly to me. Seemed like a 22 year old college kid who has no idea what is happening to his world. Personally I never thought anyone thought Ashton was a bad actor… unlike Kristen Stewart who mumbles and makes distressing noises in every film she makes like Twilight or Jennifer Aniston who plays Rachel in every single movie I’ve ever seen. She even LOOKS the same (that washed out blonde hair).
@@deanwinchester3356 to be fair to Kirsten Stewart the director wanted her to mumble and make weird noises in Twilight that's what they pictured Bella like. I've only seen her in a few things outside of Twilight but she was notably better. Everyone in Twilight acts like they have razors in their throat that cause them pain whenever they speak lol
I always got the impression that he was happy to see his mother dying of cancer because it gave him a selfless excuse to change the time line to one where he doesn't lose his limbs and has to watch everyone around him be happy.
Definitely wasn't happy to see his mother have cancer. He went back to change that and was ok with how life would have been if she was ok.
@@ThatGuyThai he definitely was not okay living as a crippled cuck. He wasn't happy she had cancer, but was very happy at the excuses it afforded him.
he had tried to fix everything for everyone already, why wouldn't he be alllowed to fix his arms "selfish;y" even if the mom was ok?
@@ThatGuyThaiI don’t know that he was “ok” with it, he literally tried to drown himself
Ashton Kutcher’s best film.
Here here
Dude Where's My Car is a close second tho 🤣
I agree. Very underrated film.
Its the only decent film he's ever been in.
@@davekennedy6315 killers was good
“What the f*#% is this!?”
Best line in the entire movie, perhaps AK’s best line ever. I know it’s supposed to be tragic, but it’s just so damn funny.
Nah Ashton's best line will always be "Dude, where's my car?"
Mans literally “fetus deletus” himself
he became An Hero like no other could.
@@Shizn0id damn, deep cut meme
What a power move
'Mans'
@@Shizn0id He was An Hero for sure.
One thing that I never got was, tommy try’s to kill Evan right out of prison right? And evan kills tommy in self defense, so a violent ex con attempts to kill someone straight after he gets out of jail. No jury in the world would convict evan for acting in self defense he never would of gone to prison for that
Idk our system is fucked, shit happens. They either didn't believe his story, Kayleigh testified against him and lied or told the truth hysterically (she seemed very against Evan, so I wouldn't have put that past her in this timeline), or the police saw him on top of the dude killing him and just assumed he was a cold-blooded murderer.
Exactly
It was not self defense. Self defense is only
Possible when you can’t retreat. He was on top of the other man and killed him while he was incapacitated. Its 100% 2nd Degree murder. Not even Manslaughter.
Just another example, if u ever shoot someone in self defense, u can still go to prison if you didnt try to escape first.
He hadn't gone to trial yet anyway
@@starfishandroid you’re talking about a rule that only exists in certain states, that’s not a national thing. It’s called the duty to retreat, and it’s honestly kinda stupid. In most states what Evan did would still be self defense
So this movie wasnt just a fever dream I had as a kid, it actually exists?
I though i was the only one lmao
and it has two direct to video sequels! They don't follow the same characters though. I don't think. (though it'd be a heck of a twist if they were all prequels following his mothers other lost babies)
It was a pretty big movie for its time. I remember seeing a ton of advertisements for it.
Gave me this impression too ?
@@Lazrael32 whether this is confirmed or not i would love to think of it as such because that'd be so neat ahh
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Can't say you're wrong
I only ever saw the director's cut ending. I think I'd actually have preferred only having seen the theatrical one! The aftermath of killing himself is like, the same montage of the kids growing up stable but then it shows his mom utterly broken in the hospital bed post partum.
No, they showed she had a daughter and was happy
Personally, I prefer the theatrical cut's ending. Even though the director's cut's ending might be a better fit for the general nihilism of the movie, I think the theatrical cut makes more sense from a character growth perspective. Evan killing himself in the womb kinda comes off as a childish "Well, if I can't have it my way, I'll just end it all" kind of thing, while putting his efforts to "fix" Kayleigh's life behind him shows that he's willing to move on with his life, even if it means having a future he wouldn't have preferred.
Plus, it also shows there's more than one way to dodge the family curse. Evan's father and his older siblings all tried to "fix" the past but ended up dying (or hospitalised, depending on the timeline) in the effort. Evan choosing the ending in the theatrical cut shows that it's possible for someone to have this power, but also have a good life in spite of it.
Ironically, it's also probably the best outcome presented. Even though nobody gets a "happily ever after" in this cut, they also had happier, more stable childhoods and were better able to build a happily ever after for themselves. Maybe Kayleigh doesn't end up with Evan or Lenny, but all three could find relationships that they'd find equally satisfying and fulfilling over the long term.
I tend to be of the opinion that this is much more consistent with how Evan was presented early on in the film when he's first in college. He's presented as being a highly intelligent, relatively stable guy. Someone like that would probably realise that this kind of ending is the best possible outcome for him, especially after four or five loops.
@@Checkers1993ify I agree. Suicide seems the wrong kind of bleak ending for the story they created up to that point.
Not to mention the fact that the lineage having to end with him to prevent further time traveling chaos could be achieved with, you know, a vasectomy. He could adopt a child if he felt fatherly afterwards.
One of the saddest movies of my childhood. However, it really taught me an important life lesson…you can’t change the past. That has still stuck with me to this day.
If I remember correctly, Evan's mother said she had babies before, but they all died during childbirth. Evan was "the miracle" baby.
Combining this info with the director’s cut creates an interesting implication.
More like depressing as fuck implication((
Wait... I remember watching the directors cut randomly on TV and never thought about that. Time travel must be somehow genetic seeing as the father also has it and the implication that his unborn brothers and sisters did what they did says that there's not even one, not a single "ok at best" ending
Now thats fucked up
Oh..oh no
Holy crap dude
That would've been a more cohesive narrative.
Regarding the Director's Cut ending. Evan's mom called him her "Miracle Child" since all of her earlier children died in utero implying this story line has happened to all of her children.
This is probably one of my favorite movies of all time. It invokes emotions in myself that are hard to understand. But as a person who made horrible decisions as an kid, and then eventually grew up to be a father and all around good person the theatrical ending reminds me i dont have to feel guilt about my past and that as long as i move forward with good intentions ill always be doing my best.
As a teen this film rocked my world. It felt more grown up and mature than most of the other horror/supernatural films I was engaging in.
Now the melodrama of it all can swerve into unintentional comedy, as the video stated. But I still find the film ambitious and earnest in its goals. In a lot of ways it's head and shoulders above most other genre films of its time.
It's a bit goofy now, but I subscribe to the notion that I'd much rather watch and interest film that doesn't quite stick the landing than a well made bore.
Yes, YES! I had hoped for so long some horror/movie channel would talk about The Butterfly Effect eventually! It's been forever since I watched the movie, but it left such a deep impression on me. Still unsettles me to this day.
This reminds me of the episode "It's a wishful life" from the Fairly Odd Parents. He realizes everyone would actually be better off if he never existed
I was strangely obsessed with this movie when I was in college. I even did a project centered around it…..I was also obsessed with “Donnie Darko”, “Requiem for a Dream”, & “Final Destination” so it makes sense now. I absolutely LOVED the misery porn of the 00’s. (I also worked at Blockbuster and went to film school so I was one of “those people”)
You should look into Mr. Nobody.
Yeah, I was a depressed and anxious teen, and I loved/love these.
Misery porn. That’s a good term. I liked many of those movies you mentioned too. Also “Girl Interrupted”, “Cruel Intentions” and “Thirteen”. All those dark movies from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.
I also gained a strange obsession with the misery porn style movies like this. Something about them is super addictive, though depressing.
@@deanwinchester3356 ….I’ve seen them all. My favorite is “The Cure” about two best friends who go in the search for the cure for AIDS, when one of them catches it. The other boy is abused too for good measure.
Honestly the most brutal part of the director's cut ending is the mom screaming "NOT AGAIN".
This horrible cursed life was done three times before. He was just the fourth one. Absolutely horrendous.
This whole movie was a wild ride
Ashton Kutcher has had some unspeakable things happen to him, and now he's busting people doing unspeakable things. I think he did a good job. This movie made me so fucking upset as a kid, so much so Akira was a pallette cleanser. Like it boogles my mind he found his gf murdered the on the floor
Ah yes, Abe Simpson the greatest philosopher to ever live at Shady Oaks Retirement Home
Damn right!
“I used to be with it. Then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. It’ll happen to you.”
- Abe Simpson, philosopher
"I tied an onion to my belt, as was the style of the time. "
-Abe
Director's Cut Hot Take: the ending is more narratively satisfying and that's *The Problem* lol
I get what you mean. The ending is so overwhelmingly depressing that you don’t *WANT* it to be the one that fits better but when you actually think about it it does fit better with both the themes and tone of the movie as a whole.
It kinda reminds me of a much more serious version of little shop of horrors where the original ending that actually fit the plot involved the world being taken over but people were so upset by it that it was changed to give a bittersweet ending instead, despite the original being the better ending for the story.
Eh I disagree. The theatrical ending was a satisfying bookend to a story that never should have been (the characters lives the way they originally played out). The directors cut was little too... silly imo. It didn't have a sad reality of the theatrical one - the sad reality of life that was consistent throughout the film - and just took me out of it as it verged on the ludicrous. But hey, we see things differently and that''s cool. Still an awesome film.
8:25 yes. I hate that. For me, every time travel story is going to have a plothole (a legitimate one, not some nitpicking bs) because no matter how meticulous the rules are, they’re gonna be broken for the story’s sake. So it comes down to how well time travel serves the story and how it’s handled.
This movie is better than people give it credit for. The side characters completely changing after each time jump is done well. Watching Ashton's character fall deeper and deeper into a void with no escape (well one escape in the extended cut) and given the time travel plots flow well into each other.
Loved this movie, such a underrated film that tackles subjects that a lot of movies nowadays dont, dont understand why people didn't like it
@kshamwhizzle oh yea that would be a reason why, although maybe some didnt like some parts of it which i understand, there are some flaws but i mainly think it was ahead of its time and had actors that were probably typecast like you are saying
Because it's 153 minutes of misery that doesn't have a happy ending. Additionally, the director's cut is the version that made the rounds on movie pirating sites, so a lot of people saw the most batshit insane ending that wasn't satisfying at all.
@@Lyndiloo 153 minutes? Not even close to the actual runtime its less than 2 hours also that ending may not have been satisfying in that sense it made sense considering how he wasnt even supposed to exist. People complain about endings being too happy but then get mad when theres an ending thats brutal and sad
@kshamwhizzle amy smart wasn't in eurotrip , you're thinking of the movie road trip
@@unknownflickz1289 the theatrical ending isn’t even bad it’s just bittersweet.
I think the reasoning behind the hand stabbing bit and why the inmate “remembers” is because evan was in the same timeline except this time he has holes in his hands. That’s why the inmate doesn’t really remember but is watching in real time what is happening in the present. He witnesses the holes being formed in evan hands because it was such a minor event in the timeline that it just changes in real time.
That was my theory as well. Small changes without "butterfly effects" aren't enough to change the timeline. So whatever it changes, it does so in real time. But the movie didn't properly establish that, so...
@@ufazig The whole point of the butterfly effect is that even the smallest changes have big consequences. The movie just broke it's own rules because it needed to for the scene to happen. Edit: For what happened to occur, his physical body would need to be able to transgress timelines, which wasn't set up, or acknowledged.
@@Hoganply Yes. But I think realistically, the movie would create more issues trying to explain why a small change (such as the cigarette scar) would cause major changes.
However, the scene in question would absolutely not be a small change. He stopped in the middle of the classroom and destroyed his hand. So yeah, that scene is an issue.
Yeah I think that's what they wanted us to think but it was a cheap way to further the plot. I much prefer the impact of the idea that he has this amazing ability and no way to show it to others or prove it because he creates a different future with every change.
Even if you go with that theory, that means the timelines would be unchanged, except for the fact that he had scars on his hands since childhood. Thus he had scars when he went into the prison in this time-line, so nothing changed in that gaurds perspective
I think Ryan could make a solid case for just about anything and I’d give it a chance.
The Director's Cut ending is so edgy it's almost comical. (Miscarriage is awful but it's the execution with the aged cgi and the thought of a fetus with literal sentience that did it mostly.)
This movie is on my 'never to rewatch' list, despite being pretty good in my opinion. The scene with the dog messed me up so badly as a teenager that I never really got over it. Misery Porn is an apt description of the helplessness I felt while watching it.
Thanks for the, as always, fantastic analysis!
I think precious is the most misery porn movie ever
Really? A fucking dog? Are you insane? A mother holding her baby was blown up.
@@Cazz8203 if the movie had focused on that scene with horrible detail it might have bothered me more. Being blown up seems like a quicker death than being burned alive? Just my opinion though bro, you feel them feelings.
@@Cazz8203 people empathize differently. I personally feel more pity towards dogs than humans. Get over it
Please watch DOMINION on youtube. If you care about animals at all there is something you can do other than just being traumatized by fictional violence against them.
This was Ashton Kutchers best performance by a mile.
I literally just watched this movie for the first time yesterday, perfect timing!
One of my favorite movies
Bro no way same here
whats it on right now?
@@ChakasCave nah, I’m home quarantining and am working through my dad’s collection of DVDs
This movie directly changed my life. After seeing the torment Tommy caused to people made me stop being a bully in school. Seeing how making small changes caused him to be religious and a nice guy struck such a chord with me. I didn't become religious but I did start to develop empathy and this movie will always hold an incredibly special place in my heart.
You saw your behavior from another person's point of view. That is empathy, and you became a better person. Kudos.
@@karenk2409 thank you. I appreciate that.
I remember watching this when I was 10 and crying my eyes out at the ending. This movie impacted me so much, it was one of my favorites. Not sure if it has aged well but hey it has a huge soft spot in my heart
Honestly, at least going off of this video, the theatrical ending feels better to me. Like sure the director's cut is more thematically fitting, but first of all him strangling himself with his umbilical cord is honestly kind of hilarious, and also I just feel like a bittersweet ending to round out all the suffering just feels right. Like, sure, it's not a fairy tale ending, a movie like this couldn't have one, but it's a good way to unwind from the madness and come away with something positive.
Fun fact. That scene between the two bridges where they're burning all of Evan's memorabilia? My work office is 50 feet to the left. It's a wacky industrial area but also full of wildlife.
Me: not having a good day :(
Ryan: *uploads*
Me: now having a good day :)
Yey!
Awe! That was really sweet (no sarcasm) I’m so tired of people not wanting to give or not know how to give an old fashioned compliment
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You: watch video (on The Butterfly Effect)
Subsequently you: not having a good day :(
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That part in the movie when the dog dies in the bag, really stuck with me. I was a 17 year old teenager when I saw the movie, and I still remember it as if it was yesterday. That may be the only serious part of the movie that I may never forget.
yes, it was so disturbing to see the sack moving with the idea of the dog going to be burned alive.
I like that you’ve leaned into the However thing. It’s shows great maturity
No, it shows that he understands fan service
I saw this for the first time as a kid. My sister showed me the alternate ending first, which was truly devastating to see as a kid and you reminding me of it was just as painful and heartbreaking as when I first saw it. I definitely prefer the theatrical ending where everyone is able to live a relatively happy life because he and the girl don’t become friends. Very underrated film.
For years I thought the director's cut was the normal ending, because the dvd I owned as a teenager, didnt say director's cut. That might have something to do with it being the EU release, not sure.
Same!
I wonder if this was true for all the DVDs? I didn't watch this movie, but someone I knew did and described it to me after. She definitely mentioned the "strangled self in womb" thing, and she definitely wasn't the type to watch alternate endings.
I'm in the US and that's the ending I saw as well. I don't remember if I saw it on some station or I got the DVD but this is the ending I always remember.
@@EmeraldAshesAudio In the US version of the DVD that was definitely the ending that played by default, and you had to watch the others in the menu. I had this when I was like 10/11 and watched it multiple times and didn't even know there WERE other endings than the suicide one.
Angsty 2000s teen: Everything would be better if I was DEAD
Donnie Darko & Butterfly Effect: Yes
Essentially
this movie had a deep impact on my 10 year old brain.
Lol, same!
@@Sin10el bro wtf same
I was 10/11 when I watched it too and all I could think was why they didn't try to know each other at the ending. Was I too dumb or my brain was just trying to save me the trauma? 😭,😭😭
ya i thot all the dark nd deperssin stuff was like the kewlist thing i had ever seen
Same bro, I caught it on TV late at night and it made me hella sad, but still one of my favorite films ever.
In the director's cut there was an added scene where Andrea tells Evan she was pregnant twice before Evan but they died the same way Evan does later on. Makes you realize that they also screwed up their lives with this curse and had no other option but to do the same thing.
There is a stronger word than depressing for this movie, it is hopelessly disconsolate. BTW, did you know that the origin of our concept of the 'butterfly effect' comes from a Bradbury short story titled 'A Sound of Thunder'? It predates Lorenz's model by 8 years!
Yeah, that's actually how I first discovered the term.
I've never heard the term disconsolate before, but it definitely sounds like a stronger word than depressing. This movie is definitely that. I remember seeing it in college and thinking it was one of the most bleak mainstream Hollywood films I'd ever seen.
What a king. I need to read more of Ray Bradbury stuff.
The sound of Thunder was about consequences even if the outcome is bleak. This, sounds like it wanted to be just plain misery and reason to off yourself because your just not happy and it’s because of a family curse
Ray Bradbury kicks ass at writing existentially bleak stories. The other day somebody asked me what I thought would be the scariest way to go and I said “drifting off into space” and they immediately recommended “kaleidoscope”. His stories are so bleak and terrifying in that slow, quiet way that I literally can’t get enough of.
9:10 that literally is what the butterfly affect is about. Small actions can have massive affects or little to none at all.
This movie is extremely bleak, but intriguing throughout. I've always liked this movie, even as dark as it is.
Thank you for this one Ryan. I struggle with mental illness, and this one resonated with me on a deep level. I appreciate you and the effort you put into your work. I look forward to the next one.
5th timeline, as a wheelchair user, was such a hamfisted attempt at depicting us that it horseshoed right around into unintentional high comedy. That’s not to say that this is a bad movie, frankly it’s one of my guilty pleasures, but damn it’s so funny to watch.
His reaction to discovering this says it all frankly. I wanted to navigate that timeline as carefully as possible because there’s some stuff in there that sends very mixed messages.
@@RyanHollinger Just my two cents, but I thought you handled the whole bit fantastically.
@Jackie Nova sounds like you didn't like the reflection.
@Jackie Nova if we accept what his dad says, in that he and his bloodline cause misery in the lives of those they love, then the fifth sequences can't be the best outcome. That can only be the theatrical ending since everyone is happy, his friends live fulfilling lives and his mother gets the child she's always wanted, and he has to live with knowing the isolating truth.
@Jackie Nova also, he didn't just lose his him, his mom lost her life so there's that...
Im gonna say this, I keep finding myself coming back to your channel not just for the love of cinema but the true, real appeciation of it. Its great that someone out there can make a popular trend of allowing new and old timers experience film in a new and exciting way, especially for ones that have already seen, to unite in a raw perspective of opinion. Thank you for what you do.
I was too young when I’ve watched this movie for the first time. And as an added bonus it was Director’s cut. And I was smartdumb enough to understand that all MC’s mom miscarriages probably were her children who lived but chose to go back and die.
TRAUMATISED!
i saw this movie in my senior year english class and i loved it, it made me cried and i adored ashton kutcher's performance in this movie. this movie is one that tears your soul out that you enjoy but you never wanna watch it again.
My brother was absolutely obsessed with this movie when we were younger. I personally didn't care all too much for it (and I'm also someone who suffers from the like issue of "try to convince me to watch/read/play something too many times and it will just make me not want to bother") but it wasn't until recently that I actively started like. Appreciating some bits of the film.
... Although the Director's Cut ending is still probably the most depressing thing I've seen since Requiem for a Dream's ending. And I say this as someone who actively likes The VVitch.
I guess it depends how you interpret the ending of the VVitch, you could see it as a happy ending
@@SgtNicholasAngle agreed.
@@SgtNicholasAngle Oh of course, of course! I personally consider The VVitch's ending to be more bittersweet with a heavy emphasis on "bitter" considering the shit Thomasin went through only to become part of the coven responsible for her family's steady decline. (Although I still consider her father's stubborn pride to be the main reasoning.)
Why yes, the extreme and depressing content is why I love both The Butterfly Effect and Requiem for a Dream. The more emotionally intense and the more intense the violence and disturbing content, the better. I like my films hard hitting, fast paced, and extreme.
We all know a guy who thinks they're a time-traveling Jesus.
I went to school with a guy that thought he was Mussolini reincarnated.
@@AdmiralAwsm I hope you always greeted him with "How's it hanging".
How dare thee question my existence!
@@AdmiralAwsm did he feel guilty for it ?
Christianity is the biggest cult with no actual cult leader.
This movie was/is a classic for me in the stage of Donnie Darko, 2001 and other all time classics!
Also it seems so be the best portrait of time travel, with the thousand changes with one little change from him and also that he is not time traveling with his body but rather his consiousness
Amazing film, seriously underrated. Ashton deserves credit for this role.
This film really hit me when I'm watched it on release back when I was 18 and it still haunts me years later. I've gone through bad depression and have mental health issues and yes I've had many times when I believed everyone would be better off without me. Sadly its a question I'm sure everyone has asked at some point in their lives.
I enjoy stuff regarding the butterfly effect, the whole what if question. Life is Strange and Until Dawn are great video games if anyone is interested in trying them out.
Coincidentally, I revisited this movie last week and one part I did not remember was how... edgy it felt. It gets to a point where the universe is just rubbing it in on them.
You say "edgy" I say "dark". I don't gave a problem with "dark" movies. If anything I prefer them BUT this one I saw once. Even now, its something I don't chose to revisit. And I've seen Hereditary, Irreversible, etc. and other such movies multiple times. It just resonates on a certain psychological level that is super uncomfortable along with the traumatic events.
yeah, it gets so comically sad that it becomes what is called "grimdark".
I guess that's why I could never feel like this was actually a sad story, because so much suffering porn becomes a bit ridiculous.
As a 1970's comedian used to say: "It's not just overdramatic writing. Those characters suffer in bold letters and cry in italic".
It turns itself almost into the first half of a Mexican telenovella.
@@edisonlima4647 Well, you haven't experienced this much depressing events in your life probably. I disagree with you, as I know suffering after suffering happens for some people and isn't illogical.
@@Davidvanzutphen I absolutely agree. What makes me uncomfortable is contempt from people who find ridiculous and unbelievable hellish spirals life can put some people through. And let's not forget that he basically lives five lives, not all the bad happens on the same timeline. Apparently some people don't know what tragedies are, or just don't pay attention to what's around. Good for us.
I love the director's cut. His mom says, he was her miracle baby, and the fact he killed himself (as a self-aware, time traveling baby), suggests, that all of his prior siblings went through the same experiences. It is dark and unique. Amy and Ashton (whats their names) did a fine job, but this movie would have crushed, if they used better, and less known actors. (in my opinion)
oh wow, I didn't even think about the other babies and the potential they did the same thing!
Movies with less known actors are usually shitty and uncharismatic . Don’t understand this logic
This movie Would’ve Worked With Tobey Maguire And maybe a Rachel Mcadams Type. Not that the movie is bad, but both are much stronger actors
@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 nah tobey is too soft spoken and kind for this kind of role. I think ashton nailed it
A product recommendation from Ryan Hollinger has more value over Snoop Dogg's.
Truth. One of the only times I used a RUclips discount code and I do like my Raycons. Granted, I’m old and they’re my first wireless headphones, so I may just be enamored with what, to me, are rather newfangled contraptions.
Either way they're both paid promotion
what a great movie! although I'm a big fan of bleak tragic ending, that ''Stop Crying Your Heart Out by Oasis'' soundtrack at the end just elevated the movie to another level
We watched this on a bus on an 8th grade field trip a year after this came out and the parents agreed because they thought it was an Ashton Kutcher comedy.
Everyone was horrified to say the least.
oh fuck lmao
This reminds me of being on a trip with the school band where the parents got to pick a movie for the bus and chose Black Swan bc they erroneously thought it was just one of those dance/athletic movies that were really popular with preteen girls at the time
God damn, what an awesome experience that must have been. To go through this movie with an entire group of people all at once
Oh my god that's both funny and traumatizing
I had seen it and tried to warn everyone... lmao
Yes, I have wanted to go back in time and change one thing - my mom dying from cancer. I don't know what would happen to me or how my life would be different now, but to prevent her from suffering all that pain and getting to live longer, would be enough for me.
Easily my favorite performance by Ashton Kutcher. I wish he’d take on more roles like this.
Im happy you did a video on this movie. I saw this as a teen and i couldnt stop thinking about it. I thought and still think its one of the most underrated movies ever. It got shit on by critics.
I love the power move of just using Abe Simpson to explain chaos theory
Maybe it was due to my being a young man when I watched this film in the theatres, but I absolutely loved this movie. I remember watching it several times after it came out and not understanding all the hate for it. I thought Kutcher did a pretty damn good job in this movie, and the premise and execution of it blew my mind and left me thinking about this movie for a long long time.
And as I come to the end of this video I just realized... Kutcher's blackouts were him time travelling into his younger self.... so does that mean that all of his changes to the timeline were predestined? I mean, he blacked out before he time travelled, and the fact that those blackouts still happened in all timelines leaves me with an even more hollow feeling. Kutcher's character is tormented by his own decisions, but if he was always destined to time travel and meddle, does that mean that none of his choices were his own?
If you are interested in good and dark time travel media, I can suggest the german series "Dark". It explores the concept of time travelling in depth with loops of consequences and their origins while generally adopting a rather dark tone overall.
Before you said this is one of the most depressing films you've ever seen, I was about to comment how its constant depression is memorable to me as a dark drama and a cinema fan. However the plot twists never end and watching this depression bundle only few times is enough. I always thought Evan's choices were from his subjective perspective, not considering that maybe his friends didn't see their lives the same way, and another interesting thing is that no matter how perfect a timeline you find, you never know how things can change in the next five years and it could _still_ be the "worse" choice - which I guess makes this movie great to teach you to enjoy the little things in life.
P.S. I never had a problem with the acting, sounds like people were too latched onto Kutcher doing comedy roles instead of trying something new, and I think he was great. P.P.S. Thankfully I never knew the baby ending existed until watching this video.
I've waited SO long for you to do this movie!!!
I think Kutcher is a fine actor. People were just pissed because he went from the main comedy relief in That 70s Show, to films where he wanted to be more than just a comedy actor.
Which is fine. Like, Kutcher pretty much stuck with comedy films and shows after this, but not many can say they went out the typecssting.
I was obsessed with this film when I was an edgy pre-teen.
I watched this film with my dad. Enjoyed it, but then forgot about it for a while, I would occasionally remember small details but never the entire film, so I’m glad I could find it again, it’s one of my favourite films
Ive only ever seen the ending of him unaliving in the womb, and thought that was the only ending! I missed out on some almost happy endings!
"Every time I try to help someone, everything goes to shit."
My life in a nutshell....
I really appreciate how this as a teen movie (cause that's what it is) tackles with such heavy subjects, taking more seriously it's audience than most at the time. The problem is that all these subjects and questions never have a real developing. Also for me was always weird that only the people around evan were traumatized by what happened, and evan seems to grow up (in most scenarios) to be a "normal" guy. Last thing to note is that there were like 4 endings or something like, and some versions had what I call the "fetus ending" where evan kills himself in the womb, so I get why people never bothered watching it again if they saw that ending at that time. Don't know if you talk about it cause I haven't watched the whole thing yet
Edit: so you pretty much talk about all of this, don't mind me then hahaha
This honestly might be your best video yet, impeccable breakdown.
I feel like the director's cut ending would play better if he was going back to when he was an infant or toddler. The concept of strangling himself with his umbilical cord is just. Super campy in a way that doesn't fit. Especially the way it's shot, good lord. (Also, like. generally if they see a baby that close to due date having an emergency they'd try for an emergency delivery. Strangling someone takes a long time! Although I do love the one nurse who just looks incredibly done with the whole thing. "Yeah, today I saw a kid strangle himself on the ultrasound. I'm finding another career")
i feel like it should also be harder to strangle someone if they're immersed in any sort of liquid? i mean i nearly failed physics in high school but shouldn't the water create resistance or something that would actively make it harder? it just feels so weird
My brother was almost strangled by his own umbilical cord, but the doctors didn't knew and he was born naturally, instead of a c-section which would probably be the best emercency option. My mom says the doctor literally took the newborn baby, and unraveled the cord out of his throat. Poor boy has his whole head purple for a few days after that :(
But the movie clearly didn't do this fetus deletus very well, since a baby so close to due has not enough space to do that at all XD
Fae B. yeah, the baby probably can't die because of suffocation as we understand the term, but most probably by the cord itself, since the lungs don't really work until the baby is born, the cord itself is what transports the oxygen and nutrients. I think a good comparison would be putting your feet on a hose with water running. The other side of the hose will dry and then voilà... Probably
@@Bane_Amesta oooo i see, that makes so much sense. and makes the movie have even less sense in hindsight i think. but i guess they just didn't do their homework and went 'y'know what a baby suicide in the womb would be such a powerful horror image'
@@faeb.9618I think it would be equally edgy as a baby but I assume anyway of a baby killing himself would show the mom as uncaring. Like, it's not a quick thing to do, dangerous things are not left at their hand reach level.
As much as I agree with this because the scene (although a clever ending) was really cringey to watch, I feel like the whole 'death in the womb' thing ties it all together best. The mother says about how she had numerous miscarriages before Evan came to be, which indicates this could potentially have happened before to his siblings with the same genes and ability to change their fates 🤔
I really enjoyed this film. I watched it as a kid and then rewatched it in college, surprised by how well it held up. Several scenes (especially the cruel ones with Tommy) still sticks with me since my first viewing. It's definitely one of the better time travel movies out there--it has an interesting and heartbreaking story that is surprisingly easy to follow. Also, Ashton did a good job despite how people may perceive him as an actor. I'm glad you gave this movie the credit it deserves.
The moment i saw this, i was waiting for the Simpsons clip to play.
Safe to say, i'm not disappointed
Literally the first thing that came to mind making this video!
I'm disappointed, I was hoping for the Ian Malcolm quote
This is one of my favorite movies that I always forget to mention when I talk about what my favorite movies are. I know it's not the best film ever but I still absolutely love it
14:13 That Evan ruins their miserable lives is some heavy bs, everybody still has free will.
damn ryan, as a long time fan, i gotta say you knocked it out of the park with this one. amazing work with compelling raw honesty. thanks for your efforts