Wish the military had just gone to 6mm arc over the new sig spear platform. You save so much weight with the 6mm ARC and like Mac said, tons of ammo options, unlike the sig spear. For those who hate on the 6mm ARC, there’s tier 1 units using it currently, Noveske being the main company that is supplying the systems, and they are getting great feedback. So I hope and pray the 6mm ARC is here to stay and gets more and more popular in the DOD
6mm ARC didn't exist at the onset of the NGSW program, and meets neither the intent or requirements of the program. Seems like a great option for certain special operations applications. I happen to love what this cartridge is capable of, but I doubt it would be scalable for mainline infantry given that it makes tradeoffs in longevity of the weapon for the capability gained. Mainline infantry can't afford to keep guns in tip-top shape quite the same way special operations units can and this system is known for accelerated parts wear and bolt breakages.
@@iiscd5970 I'm retired ARMY and two of my buddies are still with the RANGER Bn's and they are one of the Tier 1 guys that adopted the 6 ARC. They are also using the one round that is considered the big brother to the 300 blkout. We were still using and they still are using the Glock 19 when the big ARMY adopted the peace of crap sig 320. Just like they're still using the tried and true updated M4 with 77gr 5.56. If it ain't broke why fix it, oh and the 6ARC upper receiver can be swapped out with the M4 upper by pushing two pins. The SF side of the house has deep pockets and doesn't follow the big green ARMY dodo.
@@brazzy1467 again, 6ARC, 8.6BO, and other wonderful specialized cartridges are great for specialized roles, but the comment I replied to suggested that an AR chambered in 6ARC should have been adopted instead of the XM7. I'm pointing out an AR in 6ARC wouldn't make sense for the role the XM7 was adopted for. Personally, I'm not a fan of the XM7. I like the idea of designing a new set of weapons systems all using the same cartridge to replace M4, M249, and M240, but I think that NGSW program requirements meant the XM7 was never going to be better than an M4. We'll see whether BIG ARMY continues with it in the future or the M4 will continue to persist. To the top brass in the Army the logistical benefits may outweigh the disadvantages of the platform. If we're looking at this from a civilian perspective, 6.8x51mm and the XM7 are entirely pointless. We all have ARs in 5.56 already and they work well. We don't have the budget or logistics concerns of BIG ARMY to make switching to 6.8 make sense. For us, like USSOCOM, the advantages of 6ARC are apparent, and the trade-offs are less an issue because we're dealing with them on a smaller scale. For us, parts wear and bolt breakages aren't that huge a deal. We don't need to worry about supporting thousands of rifles with an increased maintenance schedule like BIG ARMY would. If you're a civilian getting into 6ARC I already assume you know more about your rifle and the maintenance it requires than the average grunt. It's not hard for us to keep an extra bolt on hand and replace the barrel as needed.
@@iiscd5970The literal goal the Army said they wanted to do was bridge the gap between the 5.56 and 7.62 nato. Then they just went full battle rifle cartridge. The arc would literally fill that role of the initial statement.
The 6arc rifle that originally won the contract and was shipped to that unit was the geissele but I heard there were some reliability issues mainly due to the phased array gas system.
Havent been impressed by any Noveske barrels in years, in fact have seen some major issues with accuracy as well as barrel burn out super fast. I wont bring up the past, although Noveske use to have great barrels
Just ordered my first noveske. Voting season is upon us and all that kamala harris talk about a ban made me cave in and get what I've always wanted. My wallet is going to hurt for a little but I feel it's gonna be worth it. Hope you get yours soon and love it!
Noveske can’t possibly justify why their rifles are the same cost as KAC or lmt. That being said. We need to be funding 6 arc wayyy more. It’s incredible
If they are selling those rifles to the government then thats exactly why their price is justified. Can't sell to the government for one price and civvies for another. Logically you're gonna price to buttfuck the government on the contract and civvies will still pay to have the same blasters as the military.
@@CC-qb6pw That's what exactly the guy is doing. The Geissele gun that won the contract had some issues, enough to cripple the contract. Noveske wants to dunk them with this blaster
Have you guys looked at the 6mm Max at all? Similar performancw to 6 Arc, but you can use a standard bolt and don't have such a funky curve to your magazines
I'd be all about 6ARC and that build....IF I was getting that ammo issued on-tap. It has to beat 75c a round to be viable over 77OTM for everyone shooting/equipping etc out of pocket.
Very understandable. I think since it has been picked up by some units and has the backing of Hornady it will come down in price. Availability is much better these days but $1.25 - $1.30 is steep.
@@Gunny11795noveske and cgs were working together on a suppressor idk if that changed though. You can see one of the CGS hunter v2s in the video. It’s the one with a wider diameter towards the muzzle.
Been doing the same thing and filling my freezer like this with my 6.5 grendel (the superior and significantly more versatile of the two rounds) rifles (20" and 12.5") for over a decade... nice of you guys to wake up and join the club. Sincerely a fellow Oregonian.
Thats cause the dudes that worked under him and the people their constantly take into account what he believed in! Trust me… those dudes are wild about what they build
@@PoopyBoy28 Yep, and all I said was that it’s cool they’re adopting it. It’s a really awesome design. I only hope that it’s less expensive than the $700+ X2 charges for their version.
@Aaron-ed2rb noveske is already $600 for regular barrels. it's the same price as an trident barrel. The trident barrel is a true HBAR that cuts itself down to a 1.3lbs. All other hbars are 2lbs even with flutes.
Definitely a specialized setup. Ammunition cost and availability is going to be a huge downside. Not to mention the weight of a billet receiver set with a heavy barrel, this thing is probably north of 9lbs. I don't see that replacing a normal off the shelf BCM in 5.56.
Good stuff, some pretty interesting information but doubt ill make the dive into 6arc any time soon. Still on the 5.56 train, been killing pests and puttin meat in the freezer with it for a good while. I do need to get over to the site though, this reminded me i need to buy another light cap. Considering one of mine exploded a ways back and i havent had a chance to replace it yet.
I like the idea of the 6max. Same bolt. Just swap barrel and magazines. You can get a gun for a reasonable price. Or spend as much as you want. Ammo prices for both are too high. 6arc needs a dedicated upper because of the bolt, or a upgraded metal, as in expensive bolt to be reliable. Plus i don't want my tax dollars going for the heavy sig rifle, nor do i want a waste of money 6arc unless they get down to FN direct impingement 556 prices our government already pays. Both 6mm shoot 308 distances. I think geisselle sells 6 arc mags for over $100. That's worse than HK. X-RING and SOLGW both have videos on 6 max.
The really curved mags for 6.5 Grendel don't work well with 6mm arc. Even though the 6mm arc is based off the Grendel it has less case taper. The purpose built Geissele mag is straighter and works best.
As an engineer, i hate everyone squishing 6arc, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39 and 6.8spc into ar15 platform. Just please make midsize ar like ar12 that has aproppiate bolt diameter and magwell size so your 30rd mags are not comically long and your bolts never break. TY, great video.
That is a good point. I’m kind of in the same thinking but I can also see why they’d go with a common and widely used platform as well. I think if someone wanted to go that route it would do very well.
You must have studied the original Colt ×39 system( it has recently been reintroduced) and (although long stroke piston) PWS ×39 uppers. Bolt depth and corresponding extractor hook and length combined with proper gas porting and dwell time; releave lug and and extractor stress. I owned the old Colt upper (1993ish?), sold it in 2002 or so. Had PWS×39 several uppers since 2013. None of these has ever broken a lug or extractor.
Can someone clarify what was said at 4:00. How do you use a 14.5 barrel and get the same oal of a 12.5??? Im going to assume he's got the numbers backward.
with the reflex style suppressor (fits over top of the barrel by a few inches) you can run a 14.5 with a can and have the same length as a suppressed 12.5
Probably not anytime soon. leupold won’t listen to their customers. They dropped the ball big time not offering other reticles beside the pr1 and tmr in the mark 5 2-10 and mark 4 2.5-10.
Very cool to hear. I think a lot of people misunderstand not just 6 ARC but a lot of other cartridges and what they are meant to do. Depending on what I am doing I would much rather have this rifle for 0 - 800 vs a 5.56 gun.
Geissele has the only chrome lined CHF barrels for 6 ARC I am aware of but you gotta buy the complete rifle at this point in time. Still waiting on Noveske to add 11.5 CHF 556 barrels to their sales🥲
Geissele is putting chf barrels into their 6mm arc rifles. They are not planning to sell it in parts because it actually is proprietary. Upper, bolt, and barrel extension are not mil spec ar15 parts. With they being said, I am in waiting for my Robinson Arms XCR in 6mm arc which comes with a cmv steel & chrome lined barrel, according to their CS when I asked. I went this route because it isn't an ar15 so it isn't limited by the small frame receiver. Therefore the bolt has more material on it, which actually resembles an ak bolt. Unfortunately they are just as pricey as a noveske, geissele, kac, and lmt
go watch the CHF process and understand the volume vs necessity in regards to cost of tooling and setup. Crucible 416R SS has similar properties to CHF in tensile and yield strength, but what do I know. The CHF is merely a milspec requirement for select fire weapons, something you wont benefit from. Take the corrosion benefit of SS because we know, you will rust before you burn it out.
@roscoep1082 I burn out stainless barrels in my match guns every season or two. I’m looking for longer barrel life. Barrel as seen by my chrome lined barrels (CHF being just a plus).. I’m well aware that CHF requires large numbers to be financially reasonable for a company but we have several companies with them that could pump out 6 ARC barrels. I also realize that it is a manufacturing method that was originally done to decrease costs of mass produced military barrels. But it is more than just a TDP specification. I was skeptical, but military testing has shown benefits into the multiple 10s of thousands of rounds of barrel life. And you don’t need to have firing schedules with cyclic rates of fire to see those benefits. If I want ultimate precision for a competition gun, sure I go SS with a cut or button rifling. But for the rest of my semi auto rifles, including precision-oriented gas guns, I’m looking for chrome lined. CHF if a plus, but not actually a requirement for me. The biggest thing is chrome lined. I’d love it if Criterion came out with a 6 ARC barrel.
Neither and both ,yeah I know WTF, in 2024 anyone may as well look at .277 fury the new army 6.8 and leave the other two (6arc, 6.8 spr)to fight for mid range. Solgw even has a 6max now …tbh why not get a 6mm or 6.5 ar10 pattern at this level of grains. All the manufacturers are waiting to see if big army will really drop the M4, 416, spear LT type 5.56 and transition to the new “.277 fury” which is also known as 6.8X51mm. (XM7, Smallish frame Sig Spear/ XM250 automatic machine gun) if you want a more traditional round then 6.5 Grendel is about realistic max from small frame pattern AR, plenty ammo and also added performance above 5.56. Between the two you listed imo proof carbon 6arc…but is it really worth the cost of the scope to accommodate the longer ranges? Not to mention when scope is 2-5kUSD.
@@Nylonschemein the end it comes down to ammo cost... There's always the next new fancy cartridge but if it's not available or if it costs 5 bucks a round you probably won't use it that much. Hang it on your wall if you want but let's face it, you're not a tier 1 guy and you won't need your gun for home defense either. You probably also aren't shooting at 800y. Ever. You're all monkey'ing around at the range within about 100y and 556/223 works just fine for that.
@@mysterioanonymous3206totally agree. But I'm hoping 6max sticks, it's easier to suppress than 6 arc. And with 6 mm you can hunt some game you can't with 556.
12:23 work with BLK LBL to put their integrated Bipod on that rifle then you have the benefit of a bipod without all the weight and hassle of having a bolt on bipod
Very interesting, y’all were shooting in Ridgeland which is my home town on a range I never knew existed or was it private property??? I need to know because I need a range… love your gear too!!!
Do we have a date on when Noveske will offer the barrel on their site? I really wanna get my hands on one of these. Unless they’re restricting these barrels on full weapons then I’m SOL. Cause I’ve already built my rifle just want this barrel lol
I thought 6max used 350 legend magazines. I thought those mags had the same capacity issues as 6arc. Geissele sells 6 arc mags that are 30 round but they’re almost as long as a magpul 40 rounder.
I agree that 6MAX would be a better cartridge for this application. As far as magazines go, a 350 Legend/6mm Max magazine will be essentially the same length as a 30 rnd PMAG once DuraMag gets them released. The 350 Legend case diameter (.390”) is only the slightest bit bigger than 5.56 (.378”) where 6 ARC is quite a bit larger (.441”). A combat load out of 6 ARC with Geissele 30 rnd mags costs nearly half the price of the gun just for the magazines alone! $125 per mag is criminally expensive. I wish DuraMag would redesign their 6.5 Grendel/6 ARC magazines to get rid of the extreme curve. That curve is not necessary because the case taper of 6.5 Grendel/6 ARC is actually less than 5.56. You can see this with the Geissele mags, they have less curve than 5.56 mags.
What socks are you guys running?????? Nah for real, I've been thinking on a rifle almost exactly like this for my next one; 6ARC, that optic setup, that barrel length. That reflex suppressor seals the deal. I want one. People who think 6ARC is going away have no idea how much it's already in use. It isn't replacing 5.56 or 7.62, but it isn't a flash in the pan, either.
200 times enhancement in barrel cooling is effectively impossible with a single material. The company representative should know the difference between times & percentage. Also wind resistance is determined by velocity & bullet diameter/length. Not BC or bullet weight which simply aid in maintaining velocity.
@@onehundredconcepts Did notice the caption, but he said 200 times which is 20000%. Nor is it fantastic lacking basic knowledge of wind drift while talking about wind drift. Also cartridge claims verses 5.56mm where rather overblown. For a .5mm increase in bullet diameter, 5.5 grain increase in propellent, 13-28 grain increase in bullet weight(over 77grain). In a carbine barrel 6arc is not even a upgrade over issued 5.56mm 16" SPR's. None of this is on the interviewer it's on the information source.
The claim that the barrel fluting causes the barrel to cool off TWO HUNDRED TIMES faster is ludicrous. Barrels cool primarily with convection with some conduction and radiation. If you wanted to increase cooling capacity by two hundred times you’d need to increase cooling surface area by close to the same amount. Adding flutes is certainly not increasing the surface area by 200 times. The fluting might increase cooling capacity by 5-10%. Those claims along with names like “Disruptive Deep Flute Barrel” are setting off my snake oil alarm. Let’s be real: they put a fluted barrel on a 6ARC gun and sprinkled buzzwords in the name. It may be a nice gun but we shouldn’t be fooled into thinking that they reinvented the wheel.
I meant 200% faster😅. The total surface area per linear inch is increased by ~30% compared to our standard contour. Top temp on an identical cadence is decreased by 10-15% depending on bore diameter and cut length. Just another contour option. Its name describes the shape and intent. Deep fluting that disrupts SMoA expansion and reduces s-wave reverb.
im new to guns but how is a combat rifle allowed to break a bolt after what i can only assume is the same as the reccomended bold swap????? thats crazy. i mean in the overall aspect just carrying a bcg in your admin pouch or something wouldnt be bad but damn... a gun that rips itself apart being used in battle? i wonder how the new sig 277 furry round wears on its parts..!!!! thank you for the great video, it made me want a noveske
6mm ARC working pressure (52ksi MAP) is a lot less than 5.56 (62ksi MAP). Grendel is where it's at though. Faster mv with less pressure, wide selection of bullet weights, 127 factory load SKUs.
What area of sc you in. I’m in Summerville I got a range on my family farm going out to 1200 yards would love to have you join me in a 6arc shoot day. I take my 6gt out to train my PRS and NRL hunter barricade times
Please explain… i have a gen1 rifle built in 2012. I also have every generation from then. In my experience I have only continued to see improvements on the rifle systems. Also how are you sure these arent ideas that stemmed from Johnny and the guys who worked directly with him?
That’s gotta be some anti new guy “back when guns were metal two world wars” type fudd shit. I am even not the biggest Noveske fan but they have done a lot for modern rifles. They helped to spearhead the widespread mfg of correctly gassed rifles. Now a days you can get a new rifle and throw a conventional/hybrid baffle can on the end without overgassing the gun. They are part of the reason 11.5 mid length barrels are a thing. Hate them if you want but you cannot deny their work on modern weapons.
I'm developing a gas system that works off of multiple gas ports throughout the barrel and relies on direct impingement through a reciprocating gas tube. This is a hybrid gas system. If Noveske is interested I'd like to have them sign an NDA and I can send them my prototype.
Mac Johnson is the one you want. That man is an encyclopedia. We would love to send some of our stuff out to you though. I will look for you on Instagram and dm you
This all sounds "cool" and "futuristic" but at the end of the day what you're getting from 6MM ARC in terms of ballistics makes me think I'm better off moving to a large frame gas gun and running something like 6.5CR. Just my thoughts.
It's taken from a common marksman style grip when prone or zeroing guns or shooting long range. By keeping the hand on one side you reduce some torsion that gripping the pistol grip can introduce to your trigger pull. Not terribly common to use while running and gunning, but...if you can keep control of the weapon, why not I guess.
People just don't buy new things or stuff built from the ground up. So obviously they'll die out and be in patent hell until it expires or someone buys it out
Wish the military had just gone to 6mm arc over the new sig spear platform. You save so much weight with the 6mm ARC and like Mac said, tons of ammo options, unlike the sig spear. For those who hate on the 6mm ARC, there’s tier 1 units using it currently, Noveske being the main company that is supplying the systems, and they are getting great feedback. So I hope and pray the 6mm ARC is here to stay and gets more and more popular in the DOD
6mm ARC didn't exist at the onset of the NGSW program, and meets neither the intent or requirements of the program. Seems like a great option for certain special operations applications. I happen to love what this cartridge is capable of, but I doubt it would be scalable for mainline infantry given that it makes tradeoffs in longevity of the weapon for the capability gained. Mainline infantry can't afford to keep guns in tip-top shape quite the same way special operations units can and this system is known for accelerated parts wear and bolt breakages.
@@iiscd5970 I'm retired ARMY and two of my buddies are still with the RANGER Bn's and they are one of the Tier 1 guys that adopted the 6 ARC. They are also using the one round that is considered the big brother to the 300 blkout. We were still using and they still are using the Glock 19 when the big ARMY adopted the peace of crap sig 320. Just like they're still using the tried and true updated M4 with 77gr 5.56. If it ain't broke why fix it, oh and the 6ARC upper receiver can be swapped out with the M4 upper by pushing two pins. The SF side of the house has deep pockets and doesn't follow the big green ARMY dodo.
@@brazzy1467 again, 6ARC, 8.6BO, and other wonderful specialized cartridges are great for specialized roles, but the comment I replied to suggested that an AR chambered in 6ARC should have been adopted instead of the XM7. I'm pointing out an AR in 6ARC wouldn't make sense for the role the XM7 was adopted for.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the XM7. I like the idea of designing a new set of weapons systems all using the same cartridge to replace M4, M249, and M240, but I think that NGSW program requirements meant the XM7 was never going to be better than an M4. We'll see whether BIG ARMY continues with it in the future or the M4 will continue to persist. To the top brass in the Army the logistical benefits may outweigh the disadvantages of the platform.
If we're looking at this from a civilian perspective, 6.8x51mm and the XM7 are entirely pointless. We all have ARs in 5.56 already and they work well. We don't have the budget or logistics concerns of BIG ARMY to make switching to 6.8 make sense. For us, like USSOCOM, the advantages of 6ARC are apparent, and the trade-offs are less an issue because we're dealing with them on a smaller scale. For us, parts wear and bolt breakages aren't that huge a deal. We don't need to worry about supporting thousands of rifles with an increased maintenance schedule like BIG ARMY would. If you're a civilian getting into 6ARC I already assume you know more about your rifle and the maintenance it requires than the average grunt. It's not hard for us to keep an extra bolt on hand and replace the barrel as needed.
@@iiscd5970The literal goal the Army said they wanted to do was bridge the gap between the 5.56 and 7.62 nato. Then they just went full battle rifle cartridge. The arc would literally fill that role of the initial statement.
The 6arc rifle that originally won the contract and was shipped to that unit was the geissele but I heard there were some reliability issues mainly due to the phased array gas system.
Havent been impressed by any Noveske barrels in years, in fact have seen some major issues with accuracy as well as barrel burn out super fast. I wont bring up the past, although Noveske use to have great barrels
Always preferred CHF on my duty rifles
Yeah noveske barrels are pretty crap. The structured barrel is nonsensical too
Same
tacom hq has a pretty bad rep as far as their barrel stuff goes for precision rifles, on about every major precision or competition related forum.
Uh oh. You’ve angered the gods. 😂
Man John Noveske would be damn proud of his crew continuing to innovate and carry his name. Great freaking job.
Got to seem them in down in Georgia this weekend and I can confirm they are awesome.
The tiny light made me chuckle more than I care to admit. This was a dope video though, thanks for sharing!
Lol I learned something from the intro I’ve never seen a sling up on the corner of something like that for support ,nice
I shot this exact weapon at a 2 gun.
She feels like a soft AR10.
It’s impressively accurate and it’s Noveske.
I’d love to see 6mm ARC get some further adoption. Usually it being used by Tier 1 guys is a good start.
gettin my first noveske in a couple weeks. cant wait. also, that dude is a tank of a human being
Just ordered my first noveske. Voting season is upon us and all that kamala harris talk about a ban made me cave in and get what I've always wanted. My wallet is going to hurt for a little but I feel it's gonna be worth it. Hope you get yours soon and love it!
Noveske can’t possibly justify why their rifles are the same cost as KAC or lmt. That being said. We need to be funding 6 arc wayyy more. It’s incredible
But 5.56 bro's big mad
Sure they can justify it. As soon as they landed a GOV contract with special guys….they entered the club….regardless of quality lol
If they are selling those rifles to the government then thats exactly why their price is justified. Can't sell to the government for one price and civvies for another. Logically you're gonna price to buttfuck the government on the contract and civvies will still pay to have the same blasters as the military.
@@CC-qb6pw That's what exactly the guy is doing. The Geissele gun that won the contract had some issues, enough to cripple the contract. Noveske wants to dunk them with this blaster
KAC isn't all it's cracked up to be. IMO noveske is a little more refined than KAC.
That absolute unit of a man said so he can get his mitts around it 😂
Noveske white labled their handguard from a smaller Oregon based company called sws, a long time ago.
😮😯😲
Have you guys looked at the 6mm Max at all? Similar performancw to 6 Arc, but you can use a standard bolt and don't have such a funky curve to your magazines
What I can say is that this m4 is beautiful
I'd be all about 6ARC and that build....IF I was getting that ammo issued on-tap.
It has to beat 75c a round to be viable over 77OTM for everyone shooting/equipping etc out of pocket.
Very understandable. I think since it has been picked up by some units and has the backing of Hornady it will come down in price. Availability is much better these days but $1.25 - $1.30 is steep.
Exactly what I needed to buy next, thanks for the badass vid🤙🏼
😅 another clown 🤡 taken in by vanity and asinine marketing
This is looking super impressive. Won't need no boltgun or anything else beyond 556 SBR range and up to 1000 yards.
It definitely fits in nicely for intermediate distance activities 😏.
Feels like honestly 6mm ARC should ne the next step in small arms IC rifles
You misspelled 6.5 Grendel
@@PrayingPanda Grendel’s dead dude
@totenfurwotan4478 nah. Still pretty popular. Yall just the 2024 version of 224valkyrie.
Mac, what an addition to Noveske, be interesting to see where the changes come.
Is that a spectre factory can at work?
@@Gunny11795noveske and cgs were working together on a suppressor idk if that changed though. You can see one of the CGS hunter v2s in the video. It’s the one with a wider diameter towards the muzzle.
gonna have to name your reflex suppressor the foreskin
😂 I don't need to follow any more things in this world, but I ended up having to subscribe...❤
Been doing the same thing and filling my freezer like this with my 6.5 grendel (the superior and significantly more versatile of the two rounds) rifles (20" and 12.5") for over a decade... nice of you guys to wake up and join the club. Sincerely a fellow Oregonian.
Very much enjoyed the video. Thank you sir
👍🏾 There is no doubt that the spirit of Mr. Noveske has remained💪
Thats cause the dudes that worked under him and the people their constantly take into account what he believed in! Trust me… those dudes are wild about what they build
Indeed Mac is a wealth of knowledge and very passionate
Jasper County, SC. My dad was born in Robertville. I love that area. Excellent video. King Mackerel, you need your own channel.
Geissele beat this rifle for the contract.
X2 Devgru did this type of deep flutes years ago, but still cool that Noveske is adopting it!
Griffin does the same fluting structure as this "DDF" and they've been doing it for a long time.
There is a reason Noveske adopted it also…. 24:43
@@PoopyBoy28 Yep, and all I said was that it’s cool they’re adopting it. It’s a really awesome design. I only hope that it’s less expensive than the $700+ X2 charges for their version.
@Aaron-ed2rb noveske is already $600 for regular barrels. it's the same price as an trident barrel. The trident barrel is a true HBAR that cuts itself down to a 1.3lbs. All other hbars are 2lbs even with flutes.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ Fair enough
Definitely a specialized setup. Ammunition cost and availability is going to be a huge downside. Not to mention the weight of a billet receiver set with a heavy barrel, this thing is probably north of 9lbs. I don't see that replacing a normal off the shelf BCM in 5.56.
Did I miss the part where they talked about the magazine they were running? I'm guessing it was the geissele 6mm arc mag?
Geissele mags are great but pricy. Duramags have been solid as well.
@onehundredconcepts I've had great luck with the Amend 2 6.5 Grendel mags that go from double to single stack.
Question, are they gonna make a 18” to fit Large Marge ?
*”6ARC is gonna break muh bolt!”*
It is though
Same bolt, higher pressure. You *will* experience faster component wear.
@@spacecaesar7619physics is cool.
@@spacecaesar7619 But; my bolt…
@@DogOnAPhone my bolt, dough…
Is that a noveske can? I dont recognize it
I get so many compliments when wearing my shirt from "One Hundred Concepts". 👍🏻🤙🏼🇺🇸
more surface area means more rigidity? think some people might dispute that...
Good stuff, some pretty interesting information but doubt ill make the dive into 6arc any time soon. Still on the 5.56 train, been killing pests and puttin meat in the freezer with it for a good while. I do need to get over to the site though, this reminded me i need to buy another light cap. Considering one of mine exploded a ways back and i havent had a chance to replace it yet.
Hey send CS email and we will get it replaced. We have a no questions asked warranty on everything!
@@onehundredconcepts oh wow! I had no idea, thank you so much brotha!
@@onehundredconcepts i sent out the email after you told me, look forward to hear back from them. Appreciate it again brotha.
What mags are those? Breton?
They look like Geissele 30rders
Will CGS make the suppressor available as well?
Some really cool reflex options are coming. The Specter Factory will be among those options.
@@mckinleyjohnson9894 Do you know when these might be released (CAT RFX)? Thanks Mac.
@@mckinleyjohnson9894 And who is The Specter Factory? I've heard of CGS, but not them.
What reticle was in the leupold mk5hd 2-10?
Who makes that suppressor?
More information will be out soon.
I like the idea of the 6max. Same bolt. Just swap barrel and magazines. You can get a gun for a reasonable price. Or spend as much as you want. Ammo prices for both are too high. 6arc needs a dedicated upper because of the bolt, or a upgraded metal, as in expensive bolt to be reliable.
Plus i don't want my tax dollars going for the heavy sig rifle, nor do i want a waste of money 6arc unless they get down to FN direct impingement 556 prices our government already pays. Both 6mm shoot 308 distances. I think geisselle sells 6 arc mags for over $100. That's worse than HK.
X-RING and SOLGW both have videos on 6 max.
The next big step forward will be a new magazine size. The new size will most likely be about one eighth of an inch longer than an AR-15 magazine.
0.5 moa average??? From how many rounds? What firing cadence?
We will be testing this when we get ours in.
As soon as I started watching this I got an email from Noveske 🤔😂
The really curved mags for 6.5 Grendel don't work well with 6mm arc. Even though the 6mm arc is based off the Grendel it has less case taper. The purpose built Geissele mag is straighter and works best.
Suppressor and muzzle device??
Great video man
As an engineer, i hate everyone squishing 6arc, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39 and 6.8spc into ar15 platform. Just please make midsize ar like ar12 that has aproppiate bolt diameter and magwell size so your 30rd mags are not comically long and your bolts never break. TY, great video.
That is a good point. I’m kind of in the same thinking but I can also see why they’d go with a common and widely used platform as well. I think if someone wanted to go that route it would do very well.
You must have studied the original Colt ×39 system( it has recently been reintroduced) and (although long stroke piston) PWS ×39 uppers.
Bolt depth and corresponding extractor hook and length combined with proper gas porting and dwell time; releave lug and and extractor stress.
I owned the old Colt upper (1993ish?), sold it in 2002 or so. Had PWS×39 several uppers since 2013. None of these has ever broken a lug or extractor.
Good thing they made 22 arc, then.
I'd like to know more about those mags.
When will the DDF 6arc uppers be available
DDF contours will start hitting the streets around SHOT Show🤘🏼
Outstanding
Can someone clarify what was said at 4:00. How do you use a 14.5 barrel and get the same oal of a 12.5??? Im going to assume he's got the numbers backward.
I believe he means 12.5 with a can
@@onehundredconcepts that makes sense considering most 12.5's with a non K can will be around 18" barrel length, give or take a little.
with the reflex style suppressor (fits over top of the barrel by a few inches) you can run a 14.5 with a can and have the same length as a suppressed 12.5
@KELEVRA004 I know. That was just an over sight in the video.
I already know this setup is pricey but i like the thought behind the design
im still trying to figure out how everyone's getting standard powered LAM's without being active in a MIL/LE organization....
The internet.
@@Nylonscheme Ha....hilarious
Can someone tell me if Leupold is going to get those 2-10 mark5’s in fde out soon?
Probably not anytime soon. leupold won’t listen to their customers. They dropped the ball big time not offering other reticles beside the pr1 and tmr in the mark 5 2-10 and mark 4 2.5-10.
I run a 6arc for prs and it handles itself pretty well against larger cartridges
Very cool to hear. I think a lot of people misunderstand not just 6 ARC but a lot of other cartridges and what they are meant to do. Depending on what I am doing I would much rather have this rifle for 0 - 800 vs a 5.56 gun.
that light🤯
What is the flip over thing that is mounted on the rail in front of the scope?
Alpha Tara it is pretty handy
Where can I get that Arca rail for the noveske
Still can’t find the video on the vault? Is it coming soon?
Hey sorry it is posted now!
@@onehundredconceptsthanks man, I just thought I missed it and it got buried or something. Appreciate it!
Can we get more information on the configuration of the TARAC he is using on the 14.5"?
2.2mil with a 50m zero buys me MPBR of 390m when holding clavicular notch.
I’m just over here still waiting on a chrome lined CHF 6 arc barrel.
Geissele has the only chrome lined CHF barrels for 6 ARC I am aware of but you gotta buy the complete rifle at this point in time. Still waiting on Noveske to add 11.5 CHF 556 barrels to their sales🥲
Geissele is putting chf barrels into their 6mm arc rifles. They are not planning to sell it in parts because it actually is proprietary. Upper, bolt, and barrel extension are not mil spec ar15 parts.
With they being said, I am in waiting for my Robinson Arms XCR in 6mm arc which comes with a cmv steel & chrome lined barrel, according to their CS when I asked. I went this route because it isn't an ar15 so it isn't limited by the small frame receiver. Therefore the bolt has more material on it, which actually resembles an ak bolt. Unfortunately they are just as pricey as a noveske, geissele, kac, and lmt
go watch the CHF process and understand the volume vs necessity in regards to cost of tooling and setup. Crucible 416R SS has similar properties to CHF in tensile and yield strength, but what do I know. The CHF is merely a milspec requirement for select fire weapons, something you wont benefit from. Take the corrosion benefit of SS because we know, you will rust before you burn it out.
@roscoep1082 I burn out stainless barrels in my match guns every season or two. I’m looking for longer barrel life. Barrel as seen by my chrome lined barrels (CHF being just a plus).. I’m well aware that CHF requires large numbers to be financially reasonable for a company but we have several companies with them that could pump out 6 ARC barrels. I also realize that it is a manufacturing method that was originally done to decrease costs of mass produced military barrels. But it is more than just a TDP specification. I was skeptical, but military testing has shown benefits into the multiple 10s of thousands of rounds of barrel life. And you don’t need to have firing schedules with cyclic rates of fire to see those benefits.
If I want ultimate precision for a competition gun, sure I go SS with a cut or button rifling. But for the rest of my semi auto rifles, including precision-oriented gas guns, I’m looking for chrome lined. CHF if a plus, but not actually a requirement for me. The biggest thing is chrome lined. I’d love it if Criterion came out with a 6 ARC barrel.
Is 6mm ARC going to stick around or is 6.8 SPC making a comeback?
Neither and both ,yeah I know WTF, in 2024 anyone may as well look at .277 fury the new army 6.8 and leave the other two (6arc, 6.8 spr)to fight for mid range. Solgw even has a 6max now …tbh why not get a 6mm or 6.5 ar10 pattern at this level of grains. All the manufacturers are waiting to see if big army will really drop the M4, 416, spear LT type 5.56 and transition to the new “.277 fury” which is also known as 6.8X51mm. (XM7, Smallish frame Sig Spear/ XM250 automatic machine gun) if you want a more traditional round then 6.5 Grendel is about realistic max from small frame pattern AR, plenty ammo and also added performance above 5.56. Between the two you listed imo proof carbon 6arc…but is it really worth the cost of the scope to accommodate the longer ranges? Not to mention when scope is 2-5kUSD.
@@Nylonschemein the end it comes down to ammo cost... There's always the next new fancy cartridge but if it's not available or if it costs 5 bucks a round you probably won't use it that much. Hang it on your wall if you want but let's face it, you're not a tier 1 guy and you won't need your gun for home defense either. You probably also aren't shooting at 800y. Ever. You're all monkey'ing around at the range within about 100y and 556/223 works just fine for that.
@@mysterioanonymous3206totally agree. But I'm hoping 6max sticks, it's easier to suppress than 6 arc. And with 6 mm you can hunt some game you can't with 556.
South Carolina?? 👀👀
Yea we went to Ridgeland to film this! Love the content btw
12:23 work with BLK LBL to put their integrated Bipod on that rifle then you have the benefit of a bipod without all the weight and hassle of having a bolt on bipod
And here i was debating to build a 300 blk out..🤔 6 Arc could just be head of the class.. Now it's a toss up between 8.6 or 6 Arc.. 🤔
Very interesting, y’all were shooting in Ridgeland which is my home town on a range I never knew existed or was it private property??? I need to know because I need a range… love your gear too!!!
Don't see the full unedited version of this video in the Vault on the website. Definitely want to hear about the magazines you guys were running.
Sorry I will get it up as soon as I can!
looks like Geiselle mags
Do we have a date on when Noveske will offer the barrel on their site? I really wanna get my hands on one of these.
Unless they’re restricting these barrels on full weapons then I’m SOL. Cause I’ve already built my rifle just want this barrel lol
You'd have an excuse to get a new gun. Nothing wrong with that 😅
What can was that being used
It will be announced soon.
What’s that lil light on that AR
6 MAX from SOLGW is a better answer than 6 ARC especially given the magazine capacity and the bolt face required but non the less good vid 👍
I thought 6max used 350 legend magazines. I thought those mags had the same capacity issues as 6arc. Geissele sells 6 arc mags that are 30 round but they’re almost as long as a magpul 40 rounder.
I agree that 6MAX would be a better cartridge for this application. As far as magazines go, a 350 Legend/6mm Max magazine will be essentially the same length as a 30 rnd PMAG once DuraMag gets them released. The 350 Legend case diameter (.390”) is only the slightest bit bigger than 5.56 (.378”) where 6 ARC is quite a bit larger (.441”).
A combat load out of 6 ARC with Geissele 30 rnd mags costs nearly half the price of the gun just for the magazines alone! $125 per mag is criminally expensive. I wish DuraMag would redesign their 6.5 Grendel/6 ARC magazines to get rid of the extreme curve. That curve is not necessary because the case taper of 6.5 Grendel/6 ARC is actually less than 5.56. You can see this with the Geissele mags, they have less curve than 5.56 mags.
6 MAX is definitely very cool as well. I hope it takes off like 6 ARC. The more variety the better in my opinion.
My 6MM Fury NGSW round with dual metal casing will put everything else to shame. Just need to get off my keyboard and make it.
What socks are you guys running??????
Nah for real, I've been thinking on a rifle almost exactly like this for my next one; 6ARC, that optic setup, that barrel length. That reflex suppressor seals the deal. I want one. People who think 6ARC is going away have no idea how much it's already in use. It isn't replacing 5.56 or 7.62, but it isn't a flash in the pan, either.
Correct, people just can't wrap their head around something that isn't a direct 5.56 replacement lol
Didn’t Geissele win the contract over Noveske?
Edit: also, does anyone know if these barrels will be available in 556?
Looks like they are using Geissele mags with this rifle
200 times enhancement in barrel cooling is effectively impossible with a single material. The company representative should know the difference between times & percentage. Also wind resistance is determined by velocity & bullet diameter/length. Not BC or bullet weight which simply aid in maintaining velocity.
200%
@@onehundredconcepts Did notice the caption, but he said 200 times which is 20000%. Nor is it fantastic lacking basic knowledge of wind drift while talking about wind drift. Also cartridge claims verses 5.56mm where rather overblown. For a .5mm increase in bullet diameter, 5.5 grain increase in propellent, 13-28 grain increase in bullet weight(over 77grain). In a carbine barrel 6arc is not even a upgrade over issued 5.56mm 16" SPR's. None of this is on the interviewer it's on the information source.
I was hoping to hear info on those mags
It will be on the vault
Wonder how much that 6arc is lol I’m
Scared to look
I would guess at least 4-5k.
The claim that the barrel fluting causes the barrel to cool off TWO HUNDRED TIMES faster is ludicrous. Barrels cool primarily with convection with some conduction and radiation. If you wanted to increase cooling capacity by two hundred times you’d need to increase cooling surface area by close to the same amount. Adding flutes is certainly not increasing the surface area by 200 times. The fluting might increase cooling capacity by 5-10%. Those claims along with names like “Disruptive Deep Flute Barrel” are setting off my snake oil alarm. Let’s be real: they put a fluted barrel on a 6ARC gun and sprinkled buzzwords in the name. It may be a nice gun but we shouldn’t be fooled into thinking that they reinvented the wheel.
Yes!
I meant 200% faster😅. The total surface area per linear inch is increased by ~30% compared to our standard contour. Top temp on an identical cadence is decreased by 10-15% depending on bore diameter and cut length. Just another contour option. Its name describes the shape and intent. Deep fluting that disrupts SMoA expansion and reduces s-wave reverb.
Greta video and education
im new to guns but how is a combat rifle allowed to break a bolt after what i can only assume is the same as the reccomended bold swap????? thats crazy. i mean in the overall aspect just carrying a bcg in your admin pouch or something wouldnt be bad but damn... a gun that rips itself apart being used in battle? i wonder how the new sig 277 furry round wears on its parts..!!!! thank you for the great video, it made me want a noveske
Basically what Mac is saying is that maintenance has to be paid attention to more on this platform.
6mm ARC working pressure (52ksi MAP) is a lot less than 5.56 (62ksi MAP).
Grendel is where it's at though. Faster mv with less pressure, wide selection of bullet weights, 127 factory load SKUs.
buff Post Malone right there
What area of sc you in. I’m in Summerville I got a range on my family farm going out to 1200 yards would love to have you join me in a 6arc shoot day. I take my 6gt out to train my PRS and NRL hunter barricade times
Ridgeland (off the top of my head) is up closer to Charlotte. I think that's where Vickers used to do videos and such.
I’m more interested in a 308 surge bypass reflex can.
It is a very very cool can. Still working on it but I think it will be popular.
Noveske died with John.
Thats for dang sure!!
@ PeasantKing-od5lg
Demonstrate your claim.
Please explain… i have a gen1 rifle built in 2012. I also have every generation from then. In my experience I have only continued to see improvements on the rifle systems. Also how are you sure these arent ideas that stemmed from Johnny and the guys who worked directly with him?
That’s gotta be some anti new guy “back when guns were metal two world wars” type fudd shit. I am even not the biggest Noveske fan but they have done a lot for modern rifles. They helped to spearhead the widespread mfg of correctly gassed rifles. Now a days you can get a new rifle and throw a conventional/hybrid baffle can on the end without overgassing the gun. They are part of the reason 11.5 mid length barrels are a thing. Hate them if you want but you cannot deny their work on modern weapons.
This is the kind of shit that johnny loved
😮 Oh $hit... Yep times change.. Good luck to those who make the forward leap and procure themselves 6ARC
I tried to get access to the full video but it didn’t work wtf man?
It is coming. Sorry we have been pretty swamped tbh. I will get it up asap.
I can only imagine. Thank you for bringing us this content brother. I’ve never had such bad envy in my life
I'm developing a gas system that works off of multiple gas ports throughout the barrel and relies on direct impingement through a reciprocating gas tube. This is a hybrid gas system. If Noveske is interested I'd like to have them sign an NDA and I can send them my prototype.
What is the length of the rail/handguard that was used with barrel and suppressor combination?
10.75”
13.25"
Thank you
💯
Nice to see you here. I watch a lot of your videos haha!
@@onehundredconcepts I’m always lurking when 6 arc is mentioned! 😆. Enjoyed it. Should come do the podcast.
Mac Johnson is the one you want. That man is an encyclopedia. We would love to send some of our stuff out to you though. I will look for you on Instagram and dm you
This all sounds "cool" and "futuristic" but at the end of the day what you're getting from 6MM ARC in terms of ballistics makes me think I'm better off moving to a large frame gas gun and running something like 6.5CR. Just my thoughts.
Marjolaine Curve
How is the Eotech OGL?
Unobtainable 😂
You Rock. Keep It Coming.
6 mm MAX is a better option than 6 ARC. Better parts compatibility.
Edit: for AR-15 parts compatibility, given the current size of the market...
It seems to be an interesting round for sure. I hope it has enough juice behind it to become more widely available.
Would take that can on a small frame 6 creed. For the ammo cost you get better performance.
Gotta hit the gym these two are behemoths
HGH helps, doggy.
Show me something don’t tell me something. It’s a gimmick until I see proof of concept….. even at that what is the application
Application was explained in the video. We will be doing testing on it shortly
What is the purpose of not fully gripping the grip of the rifle? Dude had his thumb on his safety the whole time he was shooting.
That comes down to personal preference for some people.
It's taken from a common marksman style grip when prone or zeroing guns or shooting long range. By keeping the hand on one side you reduce some torsion that gripping the pistol grip can introduce to your trigger pull. Not terribly common to use while running and gunning, but...if you can keep control of the weapon, why not I guess.
I need to know what offset sight that is.
Alpha Tarac
Whatcha got on them nods... wink wink.
People just don't buy new things or stuff built from the ground up. So obviously they'll die out and be in patent hell until it expires or someone buys it out