The BEST Baldur's Gate 3 Class Tierlist
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2023
- Baldurs gate 3 Clerics and Sorcerers are among the best classes in the game and its about time that I told yall why. ENJOY GAMERS
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The only bad way to play BG3 is to not play it at all
Or play it on console.... no bg3 is better than bad bg3
@@niakain9194Nah it's still good on PS5 though the screen tearing and some muddy textures make the experience a little difficult.
@@niakain9194it’s really not that bad, I’ve been playing a split screen playthrough with my sister and we’ve been having a ton of fun
Shortcuts here!
Barbarian: 2:35
Bard: 4:28
Cleric: 5:41
Druid: 7:07
Fighter: 8:06
Monk: 10:22
Paladin: 13:50
Ranger: 15:42
Rogue: 17:45
Sorcerer: 19:27
Warlock: 21:10
Wizard: 23:18
Last Ranking: 24:22
Dude you're goated
You forget the secret nerf to the wizard where Everytime you level up you forget Gale autoprepares Witch bolt instead of the new spells you teach him
Ok, but witch bolt is an amazing 6th lvl spell? Like, 6-72 damage, consistently, every turn, for 10 turns, with just a single spell slot, on enemies that have vulnerability to lightning at which point it become 12-144 damage? (Steel Watchers for example have it by default, and you fight a lot of them in act 3, or just anyone that had a bo'oh'o'wa'er thrown at them) That's some premium shit my guy. And it can be improved- 'pulse' on witch lightning is considered a cantrip by the game (just like the call lightning thingy) so you can get another +15 damage (@20 int/charisma) per tick with Potent Robe, Necklace of Elemental Augmentation and 6lvl Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer/10lvl Evocation wizard thingy and +1d8 from Spellmight gloves because it's an attack roll spell. That's 22-95 damage, per action- and yes, if you're hasted you can activate it twice in a turn, and if you're a sorcerer you can twin it because it's a single target spell, so you get that 58.5/117 (with vulnerability) average damage tick on 2 enemies at once- that's up to 234 *average* damage, per action, and you only have to roll the attack the first time. Also quickened spell, so you can activate it 3rd time, I mean sure twinning 6th lvl spell costs 6 points and quicken costs 3 per spell so you can only do that twice but I doubt anybody can survive 6 ticks of that witch bolt, when vulnerable, which again, is as easy as throwing a bottle of water at them, and even targets that have resistance to lightning will become vulnerable. Also because it's not actually a 6th lvl spell you can dip 2 lvls into the tempest cleric so that you can empower one of those ticks to deal guaranteed max damage of 190.
@@IndependentObserverwitch bolt only does the big damage on the first hit. Every other turn it’s just 1d12
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d Ah! I misread that, and I just gave my DnD warlock witch bolt, because I thought, imagine having consistent 3d12 every turn. I have to see if my DM let's me change it xD
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d😂
@@IndependentObserverno, it's awful, that's not how the spell works, you clearly haven't actually used it.
My biggest problem with BG3 is rerolling to try out all the classes and having too much fun with them all.
Same!
I haven't gotten to act 2 with any of my characters, I just want to try out classes
@@primaloftheabyss3139 mhm same here! I'm also scared to finish the game and not have more to look forwards too
Same here! Im in a loop.
+1 here. Played through act 1 with Paladin, Sorcerer, Cleric, Warlock. Starting a new run with Spore Druid, and I have yet to see act two.
Hard disagree on Sorcerer being C-tier. Twinned Haste and Quickened Spells are just busted as hell in BG3 and the sheer abundance of scrolls make it easy to shore up any shortcomings on your spell list! Still, a cool video and an interesting perspective. :>
Funny that most people think sorcerer is damage caster, but I think sorcerer is more on enchantment and CC spells caster, careful metamagic with hypnotic, or extend meta with it, or twinned tasha hideous laughter.
But of course storm sorcerer is the huge damage dealer since they have all the spells they need to deal huge electricity damage.
Sorcerer is good, but not beginner friendly, and there are not much build around it, either you go for CC spells, or electricity, this youtuber is right though, they just have too little spells to have diffrent build overall.
@@violau8550Yep, sorcerer is the best support class in the game because of twinned haste. Just haste Lae’Zel and Karlach and you win.
I came into this video thinking sorcerer was going to be easy S-tier. No clue what this guy is smoking. Sorcerer is almost essential because twin spell haste is the single strongest thing in the game
Yeah, especially considering that long rests are not punished. You can go nova over and over and you gonna be fine.
@@prodigalsun1678 It also starts with Constitution save proficiency, so it has a leg up on other casters for holding concentration!
In my playthrough as an open hand Monk, I didn’t put him in armor, but I fed him Elixirs of Cloud Giant Strength. Tavern Brawler is good on that simply because it basically guarantees that I’m going to eliminate two enemies, cripple the BBEG in two hits, knocking him Prone for Lae’Zel to finish off, and still be in position to obliterate some other poor bastard when they make the mistake of existing and trying to move away from me.
What was you Armor class?
Did you have problems surviving?
What difficulty did you play?
@@Cyotis endgame my AC wasn’t amazing, just like 24 or 25, but my survivability was amazing between survival instinct, bonus action potions, Death Ward, respeccing Shadowheart as a Life Cleric, and wearing one of the Resistance to Cold robes. I went full Monk, because I wanted that Immunity to Poison, and the final boost to my Dex.
Played through on Tactician, and used Lae’Zel as a Battlemaster Fighter/Thief Rogue, Shadowheart as a Life Cleric, and Astarion as an Asassin Rogue/Gloomstalker Ranger. Act 1 was a little touch and go at times, but after that I felt like the freaking Juggernaut.
@nocteexmortis979 thats super kewl! I was interested in playing a full Monk but concerned about survivability. Thank you so much! I am going to have to give that a try on one of my play throughs.
@@Cyotis I'm doing Monk with a thief dip for more flurries per turn and you can hit 19 AC in act 1. You just go Dex and Wisdom and then you can get 18/18 with the hag stat point. Then get clothes that give +2 Dex. I think at some point my monk had like 22 AC because there's cloaks and boots and rings that give + to AC too. There are also bracers of defense in act 1, but you can get a d4 of fire damage from the mountains or get lighting charge gloves, which I valued the damage more than the AC at that point.
Realistically you don't need to minmax your survivability because you won't be getting hit often if you're positioning well. Monk also has the movement speed and the damage to kill a lot of enemies before they can act. BG3 uses a d4 instead of a d20 for initiative, so dex characters are consistently moving early in turn order. Your survivability is just taking enemies off the turn order before they have the chance to threaten you. In the earlier levels before your damage really gets crazy, you do also have missile catching. You can buy the ability as gloves too from the Druid's Grove for other classes, and it honestly helps your survivability a lot. Positioning in this game goes really far and so you can put yourself in a position where melee units have to waste turns dashing while ranged units you can get cover from have their damage ignored or greatly reduced by the gloves. I'm a fair bit into act 3 now with my monk and the only major threat I've had to my monk was by my own stupidity and bad luck by bunch of paladins have a change to crit divine smite me or by traps I was being careless around.
I think what was missed also is just how absurd strong Jump is with Step of the Wind: Dash, with how Str increases jump distance. You can basically free action jump across an entire area at some point and just hop in and out of fighting people.
Fun fact if you do sleet storm then end concentration it's like create water on a mass scale
I think that's the best compliment a game like BG3 can possibly get. Basically everything is viable, everything can work, and while some classes might out perform others in most cases, the weaker classes do enough that it can still be fun
petition to get offbeat to tell us his baulders gate 3 playtime
Never
I love how he always regrettably invites us over to his house to hang out with us.
Good breakdown, enjoyed it! My only thought when you compared wizard and sorcerer in spell slots... I think wizards also get something like arcane recovery? Allows them to extend the number of spell slots, which is also a big bonus for them.
This is absolutely true, and wizards can do this more efficiently, but it's worth noting that sorcery points can also be turned into spell slots, in addition to meta magic. Arcane recovery can only be used on spell slots.
Thank for the vid, I wanted to know more abou the classes in bg3 as there are some differences
" The Open Hand monk 'SLAPS' " got me
Wizards can upcast fireballs, and also get arcane recovery, so they technically can cast more fireballs. But it is balanced in some ways and I like the difference.
Happy to be here early. Eager to find out where you'd rank monk. Since it's actually good in BG3
For my 2nd run played with everyone as open hand monks... its impressively workable.
Offbeat do you know that a SINGLE wizard level dip is enough for you to elarn spells from any level scrolls as long as you have the spellslots. With a 2 dip for divination and x sorcerer with the act 1 band of intellect you get to be a sorcerer with 5 prepared customizable slots. You are essentially a sorcerer with almost all the benefots of the wizard
Holy shit, I must do that right now
Overall love the tier list but wish Bard was a little bit higher due to all around versatility.
Felt like the tier list was a bit too combat focused. Even if you ignore Bard utility though, Swords Bard's Ranged Slashing Flourish is the most busted ranged attack in the game, Lore Bard has a decent reaction and also gets Warden of Vitality (and other decent spells) at level 6
@@taznkid1730I came to say that swords bard is the best range damage dealer in the game but you beat me to it
Imo, most of the Bard's key features really don't matter as much in BG3, and they also have arguably the worst full caster spell list. Swords Bard is a fun time though, and no class in this game is bad, but I've personally found Bard to be weakest caster overall.
Yeah overall the bard is pretty solid it’s not necessarily going to be good at one particular thing which is kinda the whole point of the bard class in concept, but it can provide a lot of utility to a party. I will say tho not being a prepared caster sucks but you can just respec each day depending on what you want anyway so it really doesn’t matter. The best spellcaster is definitely wizard tho since it can learn every spell in the game which is insanely op.
@@taznkid1730viscous mockery is so funny imagine calling someone's mom fat and they just die
I would love to see your opinion on Baldur's Gate 3 multiclassing, and what works with the class changes
You mentioning Tasha's is almost 5 years old gave me psychic damage irl. I still say "the new Tasha's rules" when describing any of the optional features. Getting old sucks. 😢
I feel this spiritually, 2019 seemed like last year.
Druids summons are ridiculous in a good way
I am well aware that in my first ever time playing dnd, the reason my monk was taking no damage and kicking all the ass is because she was human variant with the mobile feat. Run in, punch like crazy, back off. Was fantastic. Had I done anything else, she would have struggled a lot.
I am, admittedly, a little more loose with how I go throwing around my Fireballs with Wyll. Gale pretty much uses his slots to counter scary spells coming our way.
My Monks name. Brother Jim "The Monk that eats meat."
I'm glad someone else realizes the power of ranger in d&d 5e
Wow, I am really enjoying playing Barbarian. They seem very powerful to me.
My Tavern Brawling Berserker can use their Bonus action to attack with an Impovised 11 plus pound Heavy Chest which is doing as much damage as my Great Ax. I pass Dexterity saves easily. I cant be surprised and often go first.
Bear Barbarian has great survivability.
But like he said, all clsses are good and playable.
Based
He read my comment !? 😱
I turned Karlach into a strength-based monk/rogue with the tavern brawler monk… I actually dumped DEX to maximize the points in STR, CON, and WIS.
I used the DEX gloves that fix your DEX score at 18 and the boots that add WIS bonus to unarmed attacks. She’s still unarmored and unarmed so she can unarmed strike with every action while sprinting across the entire battlefield.
She often takes out two high level enemies per turn of combat… it’s hilarious.
Me thinking he is going to put warlock(fav class in 5e) in S tier:
Him: A tier, take it or leave it
Your monk slander is somewhat forgiven lol I'd recommend trying some of the new sub classes.
let us ignore the strange sounds Offbeat has made
I disagree with the beast ranger entirely. That Spider can literally just almost completely shut down a monster permanently. If for whatever reason you don't think you can kill a monster, use cocoon and he will pretty often lose his entire turn
So excited to play a Half-Orc barbarian. I’ve been hearing a lot about multi-classing feature so I will try that on my companions. Can’t wait until BG3 drops on Xbox 🔥
Bro doesn't even need chat to bully us 😭
My rogue warlock mix is adding sneak attack to one of its eldritch blast
Sorcerers freakin rock! With haste, quickened spell, twinned spell, multiple chain lightning and fireball, my character obliterates over half the battle in just my turn! Plust Charisma focus, I can talk my way through most anything, recruit allies, and still get the XP!
I was debating starting wizard this weekend. You settled it lol
Bruh. Twin haste is enough to put sorc in S tier. As you said, haste is crazy in BG3. And then the way draconic sorc dmg bonus stacks with multiple hits like scorching ray and how quickened allows you to cast 2 full spells per turn, while having the con to make the conc saves. You can literally turn your party of 4 into a party of effectively 7 (by doubling the action economy of 3 party members, 2 for haste, yourself with quicken).
"The open hand Monk slaps."
Literally!
Personally I dislike having to rely on special items, rebuild, or wait until late game for a class or build to be good, but that's just personal preference. I just don't like waiting for the last few levels or an item in the final chapter to make a build good. But overall great list. Honestly I think BG did a pretty good job overall. Starting a new run with a Spore Druid. Honestly, my biggest gripe? Is that Shovel's shovel, the buddy finder or whatever it's called, doesn't count as an actual shovel you can use to dig.
I was about to disagree with your ranking of Sorcerer because twinned haste and 5 fireballs in one turn is absolutely not ok, but then I realized twinned haste is like one thing and 5 fireballs burns all your resources
Smart sorcerer main
True but two hasted allies and high nova damage is insane no?
@@prodigalsun1678 definitely strong, but it’s using a lot of resources. Also is it stronger than the power of the wizard or warlock? A wizard could have 1 hasted ally and then unleash a very powerful high damage spell that only the wizard can learn. Also a lot of people you would be hasting already have means of increasing their action economy, twin haste is good, but I don’t think it’s better than the rest
This is the thing. Too many ppl are overestimating sorcerer and underestimating wizard but tbh it seems that people don’t think that sorc points run out at some point.
Arcane trickster can do sneak attack with spell atck rolls, if you pick spell sniper and eldritch blast you have party member who one shot almost everyone. 10 arcane trickster, 2 wizard for level 3 spell slot and utility
Dude. Spellcrows are a GREAT idea!
eldritch knight is ridiculous just being immune to disarm
I guess a tier list all depends on how you play the game, as someone that like to play solo playthroughs and doesn't like taking a long rest after every fight my tier list is nothing like yours. But the great thing about this game is there is no wrong way to play it.
these are so hard because i agree with you but at the same time i cant fathom barbarian being that low. with how strong thrown weapons are in bg3 its so criminal to put the insane damage the berserker can do that low but i get it
Everything is so strong in this game it was so hard to make the choices
I would've put sorcerer in D at the very end so you have a baseline for spreading out the tier list more
I think you are crazy when it comes to sorcerer. Dual wield staves, with quickened spell giving an extra spell cast with bonus action, bloodlust elixir to give an extra action on kill and casting haste on yourself, the sorcerer can end entire fights, take elemental adapt fire to remove resistance and immunity on your sorc for scorching ray upcasts to nuke HP, as well as twinned spell for things like chain lightning, which RAW works since the initial cast of chain lightning targets a single character and then spreads so 2 chain lightnings in a single action/spell slot use or arcane battery use, and you just clear entire swathes of enemies and absolutely cripple bosses.
Okay, but I can also just go Evocation Wizard and spam magic missile that does 1d4 + 1d8 + 1d6 + 8 + one lightning charge per missile. I think hitting the damage threshold to kill everything is something most classes do effortlessly. You don't need the bloodlust or twinspell to hit those crazy high damage numbers. But the problem with sorcerer is it isn't as flexible as most other casters in the game because it learns spells rather than preparing them. Gale has been really helpful because I can just pull up long strider or featherfall or invisibility. Sorcerer does get these powerful utility spells, but it's starved for options. Meanwhile Gale just has every option always. Sorcerers are also more prone to go through resources than Wizard, but honestly I haven't even had to use Arcane Recovery. I imagine I wouldn't have an issue with Sorc's resource management either.
And the wizard comparison is apt because their spell lists overlap and similar roles. It's not like Bard to Sorcerer where they just have different spell lists and also bard has inspiration and expertise. Or like Sorcerer to Druid or cleric which is again different spell lists. Sorc and Wizard are similar enough to highlight Sorc's shortcomings. What Sorc does have going for it I think though is being a Charisma Caster. You can just talk your way through a lot of fights in this game, I've noticed, and Charisma does help you do that. Though they did add a lot of Wisdom and Int options for talking your way through things that I appreciate. Charisma is still the primary social stat but it's not the ONLY social stat anymore.
Hunter + swords bard is just nutty.
You're telling me that when you properly balance classes to each other they tend to preform just as well as all the others and there's more opportunities to use them efficiently? Making them harder to rank on who's better and who's worse because they all just do their job? Would have never guessed.
About dex Monks:
No (except for low levels)
About Tavern Brawler Monks:
use the gauntlets that give you 18 dex and don't use armor
gloves of soul catching says hi.
There are a lot of glove give you good elementals unarmed damage and give you diffrent build (ice skating monk, thunder reverberation monk etc).
It's best just to drink STR potion and get dex and wisdom, but you will lose out bloodlust or other good potion as well.
Dex monk is very good, one thing about TB is because of the extra attack roll which almost let you have 95% hit chance most of the time.
@@violau8550 step one: play on PC
Step two: download tavern brawler rebalanced AND unlock unarmed attack mods
Step three: profit
The fact there is no D-tiers is actually really good if you think about it... just imagine if WoTC made similar changes to 5e
wizard can cast 3 at level 6 bc of its class feture but warlock is way better with the idea that the short rest potions exist and require u to be down for 2 turns, and you have gotten a short rest, its busted
I would agree on sorcerer place if not for the fact that in bg3 you can cast two leveled spells as an action and bonus action while having long rests is not punished in any way. So you can cast say two fireballs or Hypnotic Pattern and fireball or whatever mad combination of spells with quickened spell metamagic, basically going nova in every battle and then take a long rest. Plus the sheer amount of spell scrolls that are easily available practically nullify the disadvantage of worse spell list. Wizards, on the other hand, got hugely nerfed because many powerful spells are not present in the game, and also if you want to cast a ritual spell you need to prepare it.
Idk, many people I speak with about bg3 say that there's no reason to play as a wizard when sorcerers exist x) especially when charisma is very important for your protag to be able to successfully persuade/lie/whatever.
I started playing Fist Monk, it is COMPLETELY broken ! Massive powerspikes at lvl 6 and specially at 9. You run out of Ki real quick later tho.
Ah but you are forgetting something very important which will shift up some of the classes. Social interactions. Being a charisma based class like warlock, paladin, Bard and sorcerer gives you a massive advantage when it comes to interacting in social settings, which is half the game. How many intimidation/persuasion/deception rolls have you had to make? I think I made my point. Paladin is literally the best.
if you play oath of vengeance or oath breaker he's alright, other than that he's an emotional sissy. Probably the worse RP i did.
Go for no armor tavern brawler monk there are a ton of other ways to make up for the ac with items and spells. You get so much scrolls of mirror image and blur while your cleric can use shield of faith or warding bond(you can get it for free through items). Your damage is more than enough to delete your enemies before they can kill you even on tactician.
You go dex and wisdom on monk because by the time you stop deleting your enemies without tavern brawler you have enough hill and cloud giant strength pots for the rest of the game and can then just pop those once you go into tavern brawler. If you go strength that does free you up for Elixir of Bloodlust instead, but you're probably already running out of movement speed with the actions you have, especially if you go thief dip for more flurries.
A "tip" for ANY class in BG3 that uses strengh: use giant strengh elixires and dump strengh. you can restock vendors by leveling up (withers will help) and you can buy/steal infinite of said elixires from the potion vendor in the mushroom village in the underdark in act 1/2 and the potion vendor before wyrmsrock often stocks clout giant, there fingers or hill giant elixires.
Unfortunately this is true in tabletop dnd as well, there are fairly common items that boost strength to 19 or 21 and rarer items that push strength to near 30. really no reason to put points into strength, bump up your con and mental stats a bit and hit just as hard as the guy putting his 15 points, racial bonus, and two asi bumps into strength.
Doing that however locks you out of the enlarge and bloodlust elixirs
Where do I get them in act 3?
@@SwordFighterDoggo alchemist on the left before wyrms rock often stocks them. Sadly the best i could find, but with withers it is decent. It is a downgrade in frequency.
@@EvanFarshadow that is true. It is down to personal taste for that.
you didnt mention the buff to lay on hands that pally gets!!!! it makes it almost a full fledged healer! or the fact that the arcane recovery exists and pallys use low level spell slots so they can recover there max level reasily easily
*Sorcerer ranked dead last as his worst class*
Funniest shit I ever saw. Reminds me of Game Journalists telling Darkest Dungeon players to "replace Highwayman, he falls off hard later on."
Wasnt looking for a nerd that knows a lot about DnD but a cutie talking about BG3, new audience
Sorcerer is incredible with a single level of wizard in BG3! 😊😝
For tavern brawler monk, I just use items that buff the strength of my monk and then wear no armor. I still have great AC and movement speed.
Sorcerer is C tier?? Twin haste alone puts them at least in A. And the critique about not having enough spells/damage doesn't really work if you can haste an ally, and yourself and hit twice in one turn lol.
You're sleeping on double h.crossbow-xbow expert-SS thief rogue I planned on rogue/gloomstalker first play when ps5 released never even touched gloom. It's so broken at level 8 solid damage before that and so fun
Bard B tier? Song of rest alone should make it A tier. Sharpshooter swords bards has some of the highest burst in the game. A quarter of the fights in the game a bard can go tell the boss to unaiive themselves. Glyph of warding is insane as well
Don't forget the absolute monster a ranged Swords Bard with dual hand crossbows wearing the Helmet of Arcane Acuity is.
@EvanFarshadow also the ring let you use bonus action to cast enchantment or illusion spell, and the hat that boost your spells attack and DC up to 7, and other equiment add your spell cast modifier to your damage.
I think people are in the honeymoon phase with monks.. They are good, but I wouldn't put them above ranged s-bard really... Realistically, they are great for bunny hopping around the battlefield 3x over, but with bows, range isn't an issue for sword bard.
STR Monk is absolutely the way to go.
Because there are so many magic items in act 1 that can boost your DEX, you don't need to invest any point buy or ASI's to have good AC, even without armor.
Open Hand X, Thief 3 with Tavern Brawler and 20 STR and 16 WIS does just an absurd amount of damage.
Each hit deals 1d8+1d6+18, and you can attack 8 times per turn with Wholeness of Body active (10 with haste).
DEX Monk damage is fine, but what you lose for going STR monk (a glove slot) pales in comparison to +8 damage per hit in act 2 and +10 per hit in act 3.
Im gonna say this right now rogue was placed correctly but with mindflayer abilities and increased crit rate plus piercing vulnerability my friend did like 160 something damage to the netherbrain with ONE ARROW only reason we couldn’t kill it same turn was cause he got mind broken by it and believe me he could have killed it that turn he was hastened and had fighter at the minimum for action surge like even without vulnerability that one arrow would’ve done like 80 something damage
I might have to disagree with the ranking of sorcerer. You can buy scrolls throughout the entire game, have big boy damage, and you aren't a big nerd like the wizard and rely on charisma instead. Unless scrolls don't count (and they are everywhere), I don't think utility is too much of a problem to begin with.
Although, I will say that no other class does a magic missle gattling gun impression as well a wizard which is something I am a fan of.
Go tavern brawler on monk always. The +chance to hit alone makes it way better
Only just started watching, but ima be super salty if wizard doesnt rank high. The easy availability of scrolls let wizards toolkit their way past most stuff you would normally need some sort of utility for. And ofc, magic missile + items is just busted.
Wizard is good but no where near how powerful it feels in tabletop
Maybe do it again by subclass?
4 Warlock 5/Bard 2 get 14 fireballs a day... Each
I love my sorlock. 1d10 +10 per EB
Mnk plus thief rogue
Because bonus actions now attack twice (with ki points)
So in theory a mnk does more damage with their bonus actions than their main action because the punch twice (at a certain level) with their action
And can punch twice with every bonus action
Ie: punch 4 times for 2 bonus actions and pucnh 2 times for one action.
Yeah that extra bonis action is insane for a 3 level dip
Secret message from offbeat on 23:15
Your charisma is lv 100
All of the negative points raised about bards seem easily disprovable, or avoidable.
"Limiting spell list" - They have more than enough support/utility spells one could need, and Lore enables adding top-end options to whatever role you are lacking in your comp.
Earliest action economy spike in the game, via Swords, which persists to endgame to still be equal to the top max hitters. Prepared casters are superior, for sure - But why care, when the bard has access to every great ritual cantrip for party-buffing, and st CC, almost immediately, and they never need to cast dmg spells when they can pop off multiple martial hits per action? I cant find validity in penalizing a "limited spell selection", when they don't actually want what is missing anyway (This also applies to Sorc, I feel).
Utility and dialogue seems to be completely ignored in this video, to such an extent I wonder if we are playing the same game. He repeatedly mentioned not needing to do more than is needed to accomplish the same result. Well, that seems like Bard, to a T. There are a few builds that can get a bit better DPS, or be better CC, or spread more effects, or support, but none I have found can do all of those things "as well as needed". All this, while dominating dialogue far better than anything else, while simultaneously being completely capable of being your party stealth and slight of hand.
"Action economy" doesnt just apply to the number of actions/hits, per round. It also applies to how much use one can get out of 1/4 of their party. If there is a class that can contribute more to a party comp, per five minutes of play - in combat, and out - I don't see it. In fact, I can't see anything close. If I had to pick one class, to have in every team comp, I currently feel that class would be Bard. What metric would matter more than that, for a "class tier-list", as it actually applies to playing the game?
Monk better be up
Yay some recognition. But how would a dex and wis monk be better then tavern brawler??
@@B52BoomStick TB rebalanced mod is pretty much the only option.
Tcoe was November 2020, it is September 2023. It was released 2 years and 10 months ago, 34 months. Almost 3 years, not almost a decade. Don't make me feel even older than I already do, man.
I was more referencing the PHB
Quote "There are no downsides to being a paladin". Ahem. No mention of losing the class you selected, if you make a wrong decision ? It is very easy to become fallen in BG3 and while you can 'pay a fine' to avoid falling that fine is 2,000, a huge amount., especially early in the game.
Oathbreaker is really good so yeah no downside
@@OffbeatOutlaw How good Oathbreaker is, is not the point. Losing the class you created is the point.
@@Swizz12 you are punished to get a better class lmaoooo
@@OffbeatOutlaw No, you just don't get it, not at all. You are punished by being UNABLE TO PLAY THE CLASS YOU WANT, the one you chose at creation (unless you pay a huge fine).
Bard is S tier just for Vicious mockery alone.
Next time do subclass tier list
Nah bard College of lore is definitely S tier
Maybe it'll be easier to rank if you do sub class
On the Ranger comment, I can actually understand why most people think it sucks. People usually picture two different fantasies when they think of Rangers: masters of archery and/or armies of animal companions. And from everything I’ve heard from disgruntled players is correct, those two aspects of Ranger are their weakest aspects. And when the whole entire point of why people wanna play Rangers is weak (especially the animal part), why bother playing it when you can do the same thing with Fighter or Druid?
Heck the animal companion thing is so tied to the Ranger’s identity in the public eye, I never knew it was an optional feature until I played BG3.
to be fair, the multiple different arrow types make archer ranger a blast and then you can gimp yourself by bringing in a beast companion...lol
Now rank subclasses! Then you can be REALLY harsh!
Shouldve just done this by subclass. That wouldve fixed a lot of your problems
i think i could make a tav look like you,. a Monk/Cleric multiclass with 1lvl of wizard for learning spells. 😅
I have a very computer generatable face
Every class can meet the bare minimum of damage to progress the story… by that metric, they should all be A tier. not sure what this tier list is rating by?
every tier list on youtube is different, lol what to play?
its comes down to melee vs ranged preference.
Hey now, there was no need to make us feel old with that Tasha’s comment, it was uncalled for and rude 😂
Whoo
The rogue is strongest out of combat. No such thing as a locked door or chest to a rogue in BG3.
A big club does the same thing.
oh really? Sorc C tear? Metamagic double spell Haste? No? ok
3 level thief dip is a must if you want to be a duel wielding warrior.
You rate Bard as B tier but you clearly have not seen what a Swords Bard dual wielding Hand Crossbows and wearing the Helmet of Arcane Acuity. It is literally the best martial class in the game... while being a full caster.
I dont know, I personally see Druid in S Tier as well!
2 Reasons you didnt mention in your rating:
1) Armor + Shield Profiency:
Not really important in DnD but in BG3 Armor gives you access to spells, and other stuff, and its not just AC. The Druid having access to Light and Medium Armor has a lot more Build Options than other casters. (He even can get heavy, if you can free up a single feat.) And the game also drops a lot of very specific Druid Items.
2) Wildshape Utility:
You can scare shop keepers etc. away and then just loot their Shop with Wildshape. Or you can turn tiny, and then use additional Paths and openings that are only available to tiny creatures!
Or just the fact that you can literally go anywhere as a cat and not be attacked.
3) Circle of the Land:
I personally feel like the amount of free prepared spells (10 free spells) is just ridicolus as a Land Druid, and it allows him to compete with the Wizard and the Cleric Simultaniously for the "Utility" slot. (Less Damage than a Wizard, but more healing, less healing than the cleric, but more Utility)
Edit Wizard:
I would say Divination Wizard is even better than Evocation. You get extra Portent Dice. A lot of them. Per Shortrest. Its stupid.
Abjuration is the best wizard, but yeah I concur. I think the Druid in BG3 is much more well polished than the 5e version. Definitely weaker, but that's a good thing. I have both Wizard & Druid in my B tier.
@@malmasterson3890 Would agree on Wizard being B- Tier --- whats your personal S- Tier ? (I actually would put Fighter/ Paladin in there ?)
@holokom3330 Paladin, Warlock, and Cleric. Mostly for the same reasons that they described in the video, but yeah I think Warlock and Cleric benefit alot from stuff like Spiritual Weapon having it's own initiative & Bladelocks just being in house now very effective.
I honestly don't think Fighters all that good for the most part, and originally, I had it way down at C tier. I think the weapon system heavily benefits the other martials, and most of the casters still feel like they can contribute better. A lot of it was also just because, imo, Lae'zel is going to be better than any fighter you make that isn't a Gith, since the Gith weapons are really good & easy to get.
@@malmasterson3890 Might be one reason! - I personally just feel Indomitable is op. It has no limited uses, you can jsut reroll all saves. If you have advantage from Items or sth, you effectivly roll 4d20 and take the highest.
@holokom3330 I guess that part also exposes the type of player I am, as I rated Bard as the lowest caster for the same reason I don't see as much value in Indomitable; Save scumming. Plus, Staff of Arcane Blessing's on a Cleric trivialize Saves anyways for the whole party. Basically free Peace Cleric, it's honestly insane that they allowed such an item.
sorry, skipped the intro, it's 12lvls pure class tiers?
I think you rated fighter too low even you rate it tier A. it should be tier S among with cleric and wizard. Just simple number game, 3 attacks > 2 attacks, 4 feats > 3 feats.
The argument against the sorcerer makes no sense.
The sorcerer isn't trying to be a utility caster, it's a damage dealer. It has a different role in the party.
Maybe you think that utility is more important than damage, but even then how come the barbarian is ranked above it, which only has (comperetively mediocre) damage?
My favorite build so far is a Tempest Cleric 6 / Sorcerer 6. Yes it loses out on the utility of high level spells, but maximizing two lightning bolts that deal double damage in one round (assuming someone else uses create water) more than makes up for it.
The spells argument for sorcerer isn’t that it doesn’t have utility, it’s that the sorcerer doesn’t have as many options even for damage. If you go up against a target that resists a damage type you are going to lack options. You’ll have to resort to just using chromatic orb. The sorcerer lacks spells even in the damage department which means it’s going to have to make unoptimal damage choices. The wizard doesn’t have to do this because it can just know all the spells.
@@OffbeatOutlaw That's nothing Elemental Adept can't fix, or just keeping a fireball in your pocket for if you encounter an air elemental or something.
Haste, FIreball, Lightning Bolt, Chromatic Orb, Shield, Counter Spell, Misty Step. Those are pretty much all the spells you need for a combat oriented sorcerer, and you still have 5 more.
Monk, savage attacker, lightning charges, cull the weak.