Cooley On Cars: Why are brakes so expensive?
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
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Cooley is the heart and soul of this channel. If it weren’t for him, I would’ve unsubscribed a long time ago.
xDP9x He was the only reason I subscribed in the first place
we need back full episodes
Keye T same here!
My question: when will you do car reviews again? The only reason I'm subscribed is for the day that Cooley reviews come back.
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Something about Mr. Cooley that is captivating when watching his video. I just like his no non-sense style of explaining things. I wish he also go back to do car reviews.
Great video, you need to make more of these "how car parts work".. you explain it so well!
Brian, you definitely need to start your own channel. You have such bigger following than CNET. Keep it up bro! 👊
Can we have our 25 minute CNET on Cars back. I miss those video and it was the reason why I subscribed to the channel.
I know a guy who's in denial about his addiction to brake fluid. He says he can stop at any time.
I need weekly Cooley fixes, not just every few months.
Cooley videos go live every two weeks, on average.
we need more Cooley
Roadshow please bring back CNET on Cars full length episodes! We’re all begging for it. It was great content..... worthy even for TV
It's expensive because people take it to shops to get it done. It's the labor that's expensive, the parts are very cheap. A brake job per axle costs less $100, that's both rotors and pads together, when done by yourself.
Amen! My friend got slotted rotors with akebono pads for all four for 370 total!
Just got a power stop brake kit for all 4 corners for $200 with a $30 mail in rebate
His presentation style is as close to perfectly sorted as I've ever seen. His accounts must be stacked up!
Brakes are easy. Just cost whatever aftermarket brake parts cost. I'm pretty sure the thousands I spent on automotive and diesel technology classes I took many years ago have paid off just in the fact that I only take my cars in for tires, a new windshield, and the one transmission that had to be rebuilt a few months ago. And that is after 30 years of driving
Brakes are mostly only expensive when you pay someone else to do the job. When a shop wants to charge between $800 to $1500 to do all four wheels and I can do them myself for less than $250 including new rotors it is a no brainer.
A lot of people are scared about the idea of playing with the brake system, but indeed you can't screw up that much.
Autozone offeres pads for life why would you not try to do it yourself 🤦🏾♂️
@@emmanuelalva6597 so your betting your life ?
I love your videos. I’m a automotive technician, and I see videos all the time where people make assumptions on why and how things work. You have detailed facts that I haven’t heard any false statements, yet 😂. Keep up the good work.
Pretty much all higher end cars require rotors to be replaced along with the pads. Gets expensive at a dealer, but if you do some research, use an independent shop (or do the work yourself), and buy the parts yourself, the cost is 2-4 times cheaper.
Some cars have a brake system that will not require maintenance for 100-150k miles depending on usage. All cars should get the fluid flushed ever 2 years.
I have a 30 year old car where I have only ever changed the brake pads and the rotors are still original and still smooth. In fact I am willing to bet most if not all cars of the 70's, 80's and 90's exhibit this phenomenon.
Engineers have long known that if 2 materials are in contact with one softer than the other, the softer material is the one to wear out leaving the harder material intact, making only one item needing more frequent replacement (usually the one easier to replace). This concept was also used for keys where the barrel metal is hard and did not wear out with the keys themselves being the wear item which are easier to replace meaning cheaper to repair and maintain.
Manufacturers have since become smart and tempered the 2 contacting surfaces to essentially be as hard/soft as each other, causing both surfaces to wear and requiring replacement and not just one. This allows the manufacturer to charge more since more parts are used and also charge more for work since more parts are installed.
In summary, they changed the old concept in order to increase profits and make your car higher maintenance.
Or you could get a hybrid or electric car with regen braking
I’ve heard that the pads can last 4-10 times longer.
Sir, please go back to detailed car reviews. I appreciate the details on technology, and how it affects the drive and performance.
For a normal vehicle, the brake parts really isn't expensive but they charge out the ying yang to do an install. Learn to do your own brakes and save yourself $300+.
The parts including the rotors could be less than $150. The rotors are so cheap that they not worth resurfacing.
Exactly.
Time is money, someone has to get paid and the shop wants geir cut too.
They like to force you to change disc break when it not smooth... just take it too highway it will be smooth very quickly... Greedy dealer....
@iron monkey I won't recommend that since insurance don't pay out if you work on your own break...
Cooley's back!
Good breakdown on brakes, but I must have missed it, nothing I heard was related to why brakes are so expensive. Most of the time the average driver will only need new pads. The calipers and rotors not so much. So Why are brakes so expensive?
Fantastic video Cooley! We once had an experience where after having the rotors turned, they were too thin and cracked after a heavy push on the brake pedal.
Good to see you doing your thing Cooley!
Brakes aren't expensive at all. I can get pads for $20 on Amazon and rotors for $30. I can resurface rotors at OReilly auto parts for $10.
Cool! I honestly didn't know you were still doing videos. Nice to see you again, Cooley!
Brake pads are a composite of different materials. They are not usually high performance race cars. For a normal truck or car, materials don’t change frequently. The cars computer braking calculations do vary depending on the type of vehicle you drive. Trucks (1500/2500/3500) have different size brake pads & calipers. Normal cars & SUV crossovers too. The brake calibration are set up to set differently from front to back brakes. I have noticed that my 07Honda Accord Sedan wears out the from brakes at a much faster rate than my other vehicles. Driving speed are not excessive. Frequent sudden stops are not an issue. Terrain (Mountainous), I believe is the problem. I’m starting to believe that the brake factory calibration is contributing to the issue of front brake pad wearing. My rotors are fine. Could you share your view?
You should check/replace your breaks every 20-50k miles on ANY car depending on how much you've spent on your pads and how aggressive you drive, but they don't have to cost an arm and a leg.
Most people will never drive over the stopping power of even the cheapest breaks you can get at a parts store, and even with replacing the rotors you can often get away with replacing all 4 corners for between $100-$200.
Most times though, your rotors only need to be 'turned,' or have the breaking surface machined down slightly to be smooth and even.
True of those owning Corollas, Accents, Lancers and such but step up to the "big boys" (Jag, Mercedes, BMW, Corvette, Cadi,....) and the story changes to exactly what was explained in this video. Even then these cars (mentioned) are requiring the rotors be replaced instead of machining. Driving habit is a major factor in the longevity of the braking system but the key is to check the mfr's service specs.
Auto Tech with over forty years experience here. My experience with servicing modern disc brake systems is that best results are obtained when the rotors and the pads are replaced together. The brake pads wear grooves in the rotor. The rotor also becomes hardened by heat and it often doesn't cut well on a lathe. I find that brake pads begin to lose noticeable performance ability when they are about 3 to 5 mm thick. When I service my own car I replace the rotors along with the pads. I like to replace front and rear brakes at the same time when possible and get a fresh start so to speak. There is no better feeling than driving a vehicle that stops with confidence. Especially in an emergency situation. Having good brakes and tires on your car is cheap insurance.
i didn't know that brake rotors could've been serviced.... i learned something new, ty...
German brands like to get their service ticket average around a grand. So the rotors are made out of stuff that wears out and also damages the finish of the wheels in some cases. Other brands don't have those problems and their brakes perform just as well if not better. I bought a BMW in 1999 and it had both problems (and many others) and a brake job was about $900. That was my first and last German car.
Fantastic information.
For people that are not aware and get taken advantage of when time comes for service... This is DIY stuff too...
Thanks that was so informative!
If cooley did a whole video on how engines work i feel like i'll finally know. Hes just really good at explaining things.
You didn't answer the question of why brakes are so expensive.
I usually do my own brakes so I don't find them to be expensive. Parts aren't that expensive and I can usually get the job done in under an hour. Like most things, having a shop do it can make it expensive.
Last year I was getting new tires and NTB called to tell me that my rear brakes were shot, with one side down to the backing plate. It was over $400. I could have done the job for about $150. My regular guy would have only charged about $250.
To make life even more interesting NTB put my wheel bolts on with so much torque that I needed to put a 5 ft. section of black pipe on my breaker bar to get them loose.
No more NTB for me.
European brands apparently have undersized pads that leave a noticeable ridge on the outer edge of the disc/rotor. So while American and Japanese cars can do 2 pads per rotor, European cars need a new rotor & pads at the same time.
Very good explanations and a very professional video 👍
Personally, I always change my rotors when I do a brake job. I'm also now using ceramic pads so I get good service out of both.
What’s you take on options for theft prevention of Catalytic Converters. This problem is a greater worry for everyone. I’m looking into catalytic converter plate covers or off road metal under body armor protection for my SUV. However, would this option work for regular cars too?
MB sprinter, the rotor wears equal with the pad so both are changed at the same time. First Ive seen this but how they do things
I understand that things change, but usually it's for the better, to either get better performance for the same lifespan, or a longer lifespan or both.
For everyday vehicles, they are pretty affordable. Brake jobs are quick and very profitable for shops. Every business needs higher margin services.
Pads, shoes, drums and rotors are cheap. If you own any normal car, go on rockauto and compare prices. It's only 250 to do all 4 corners on my Yaris. And that's for premium.
Got a question for you!
Can the stability and traction control systems in modern cars also increase brake component wear since they are used to either stop wheels spin and/or help stabilize an out of control vehicle?
Just get a deal on Ebay 138.00 shipped gets you front and rear brake pads and rotors
Dont go to the auto parts store and pay 60.00 per rotor or 40.00 for brake pads
Metalmachine467 ahh you really want to trust eBay parts to stop your vehicle?
I like using Rockauto because they have a lot of different name brands to choose from, only thing that isn't good is the shipping price you have to pick and choose from different warehouses to get the best shipping price. But sometimes it actually comes out to be cheaper than ebay with "free" shipping.
Another thing to take under consideration: cutting the rotors is getting more and more expensive and sometime it is a better deal to get new ones with new brake pads as opposed to reused the rotors that won't last as long and that will be definitely more prone to warp.
how does regenerative braking work? and how does it saves the dics pads and break rotors?
Confirmed Cooley is watching my amazon orders, just ordered a set of rotors and pads although at 80K miles I'm not really surprised they need to be done. lol
Just did my Lesabre brakes yesterday, cost: $120. Labor: Free.
I always bring my own parts to my mechanic. I never use the dealer unless car’s under warranty. Anyways this shop I’ve been going to for years they hired a new mechanic. He gave me the bs that the brakes I ordered do NOT fit my car. I knew that was not true. They were busy that day and they told they would call me when it’s done. No prob. I came back 2 hours later when he called. The car brakes worst than when I went into. I brought him Akebono ceramic pads, and centric rotors. I noticed the car did not stop well, I even had them do a brake fluid change. The A hole swapped out my brakes to cheap ones. Immediately the car dusted like crazy. And the wheels were very hard to clean also. And my rotors rusted like crazy! I know metal rust but these rotors rusted like no other! He swapped out my brakes for very very cheap ones. Now all 4 rotors are warped! Car shakes like crazy! I’m so mad! I paid for quality parts and got cheap parts for my car put on my car.
I miss Cooley over on cnet. He was my go to car reviewer, he would always find some thing interesting to talk about and God help you if the auto maker did some thing stupid.
This guys explanation is very good. 👍. No wonder my Bugatti Chiron’s brakes are so expensive 🤦🏻♂️. Lol 😂
A Tesla Model S owner in Canada was hit with a massive $8,500 job repair bill as i'm not making this up. These cars aren't cheap to fix past the warranty.
Awesome and informative video. Cooley is cool!
use performance break pad and routers and experience the great way of driving .. example EBC break pads and routers
I bought a 2017 Sentra last March. I've had it for 1.5 years and have 49,500 miles on it. I've never replaced anything but tires and my mechanic said the brakes look brand new still. Why would this guy have to get new brakes at 36,000 miles?
Hello. I've been hearing more and more about ACTIVE NOISE CANCELLATION in vehicles. Already use to it in headphones and Bluetooth ear pieces. How does this work in vehicles?
Most Mercedes Benz and BMW models have to change brakes and Rotors, because they almost already leave a lip on the Rotors, and if you just add break pads to them, they will make noise...
the pad material that those cars use are more abrasive to the rotor and sacrifice the life of the rotor for improved performance. same would be true with metallic pads on any other car.
+1. Apparently Japanese and American cars don't do this. Still if you own a BMW or Mercedes you shouldn't be cheapening out anyways.
Trades46 it's just a way for the auto makers to make more money
Mr. Ash perhaps but there's no denying German luxury cars have better braking feel and "bite" than any Cadillac or Lexus I have driven. You pay for what you get.
Trades46 You haven’t driven a Lexus LS then. The brakes on those cars are fantastic.
He is talking about BMW. The reason for this is that under maintenance bmw wants to resurface the rotors. Yeah I know “resurface”but they hav been doing this for a couple of years now. And when you have to pay for it unfortunately resurfacing the rotors is more expensive then buying new one depending on which model you have.
I wish you didn't mention the fluid flush.
Very complex, what if it could be FRICTIONLESS like reverse magnetic push and pull? Its possible, its used in heavy things like MagLevs.
works really well on hybrids and electric cars
EVs have Regen braking, but still require normal pads to stop the car quickly.
I have never taken my car into a shop to get pads or rotors replaced. It's so easy all you need is a little muscle and the right ratchet.
Car dealers way over charge for brake work. Here in Canada you are looking at around $100.00 per hour, not to mention a diagnostic charge for around $150.00! You need to find a good independent mechanic and stay away from dealers except for warranty work.
what about regen braking?
But he didn't say why they cost what they do, just the diff parts involved. He didn't mention everything is x2 and the fact prople could be charged new prices on reman'd parts (caliper) and shops only guarantee work if everything is replaced since they were the last people to touch them im order to take out any variable that could cause a failure. Also, shop rates have sky rocketed and maybe mfgrs don't want to be nickel/dimed on mx and have now passed the cost to the custom as a "cost saving/profit raising" measure.
Labor is expensive, parts themselves are not really that expensive.
Is it true autozone brand pads has a life time warranty because the compound is so hard that it actually wears the rotors faster than the pads?
Great explanation of what happens and why when it comes to brake service.
Those brakes dust ahh man😥
On most BMW's you are suppose to change the disk with the pads. Many people outside the dealer do not do this.......bad move. Bmw makes those rotors as light and thin as possible to cut unsprung mass. Do as the manufacturer requests.
I drive the chevy Bolt I Rarely used my mechanical brakes I used Renegerate Braking to Stop the Car my brake disc and brake Pads are gonna Last Forever, that's one of many benefits of driving a 100% Electric Car!
My front brake pads lasted 60k miles despite sporty driving habits and they were able to turn the rotor. Letting the brake pads wear down to bear metal warrants replacing the rotors.
Wether brake rotors are made out of steel or not is kinda confusing. I think they’re technically steel as they have carbon and silicon in them? It might not count because I think the carbon is in a graphite form. I think it might be some kind of industry jargon, but they’re typically not referred to as steel.
Is this video running at 12fps?
Daewoo Lanos
New disks, drums and pads costed $200. $250 with labour.
Bolt holes?
Is that a 2018 Rolex sub on Cooley's hand?
I don't change rotors unless they need changed.
I like my Lincoln Dealership. They trash it all and replace it all. Rotors, pads and Caliper guts if needed. Oh I change/flush brake fluid annually. I like the Lincoln rotor hats. A bonded satin aluminum coat. Lasts way past the next brake job. I like wheel art. Detest rusted rotor hats. See a totally knitted vehicle with rusted rotor hats is sic.
BRAKE FLUID FLUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cooley I miss u reviewing cars, I'd pay for it. Ugly included at no charge of course!
Because they are a necessity.
Blame the abnormal wear on brake vectoring, also known as trace control on most modern cars.
Surprised Brian would make this mistake, since he checks his sources..... brake rotors are almost all made of iron. Not steel.
Nice Rolex :)
Lifetime warranty everything on my 20 yo truck. Replaced pads, calipers, rotors, all free twice now.
s50201 even labor?
how ? what truck
DIY. Brake jobs are easy
old toyota 4Runner
What manufacturer is giving you a free lifetime warranty on pads?
Majority of cars you're better off buying new discs than having them machined, which are lucrative labor rate makers for shops (full book rate that is done in a tenth of the time it takes). Also resist the hype of getting drilled rotors as they are a waste of money and perform worse.
I just replace the rotors calipers brake pads on my 98 TJ Wrangler for less than $200
Cooley!
Click- no brainer.
The boys over at Roadshow must be so fed up with everybody raving about Cooley in the comments of every episode... Why not just give us what we want though?
Who else misses Cooley's car reviews?
Do it yourself and save a lot of money
Bunk
Learn how to measure you brake pads. Often you need only remove the wheel to measure pads and rotor. When time comes for replace do it yourself. Even with buying the tools to do the job you will save about 500 bucks. 36k Miles seems to soon. My accord did 120k before brake job number 1
Do automatics get through brakes/discs faster? Just thinking about sitting on the brakes whilst stopped (e.g. at traffic lights) and heat damage or something?
Only issue I have is the video addresses what make brakes work... not why they're "so expensive."
??? What is expensive? I have been waiting to change my brakes pads but it lasts forever, noooooo! And the rotor is barely worn at all.
Don't skimp on security and just buy the best brakes you can afford. And unless you do the brakes yourself, just change the rotors when you change the pads. You can cheap out on almost anything in life but you should never cheap out on safety. Good tires and brakes, and working lights the rest is not so important.
Simple you need them they use that against you to charge you more
Years ago I had my new 1980 Audi serviced at Atlas Porche Audi near San Pedro in Los Angeles. While talking to the service guy a mechanic walked up and asked a question about charging a 911 customer for several services. Done separately each service entailed a specific number of work units. Done in sequence there are overlapping work units. Lets say if you are mounting new tires and getting new brake pads you should only be charged for dismounting and remounting the tires once. The service guy told the mechanic to bill separate full work units for each service item. The mechanic gave me an uncomfortable look as he walked away. I suspect this is a common and profitable bit of fraud(?) in most new car dealers.
Expensive rotors are robbery.
They aren't as expensive. I live in Mexico and we almost never change rotors. In the US almost every shop will require change rotors.