Well... How do you draw if the other team had 3 points? They needed to cap all points. On the third and fourth rounds, both teams should've waited until the time ran out
@@drzalchicha because the game doesn't have a surrender option like CSGO, so most of the time when there is a cheater, both teams play 2 rounds each on attack/defend and cap all the way. It makes the game consider it a draw. It gives you little sr, but it doesn't take away any like a loss does. Good for both teams because they don't get penalized for losing/winning in unfair circumstances. I wish OW did have a surrender option for when you have 2+ leavers in Comp though :/
@@mcpuggynuggiesIt’s been a long time since I played competitive, doesn’t it give you like a 30-second timer after somebody leaves the game before you can quit without it counting?
The best part is how the prediction is often worse than normal aim because it looks at some AD strafing and assumes they’re gonna keep running in a straight line so constantly shoots way outside their strafe
@@aBlackMage it’s prolly cause tf2 and ow strafe are very very different. not to mention how much smaller a lot of ow hitboxes are in comparison to tf2 agents
Yup, it just looks at velocity and direction, they're never gonna be smart enough to be like "oh they're just AD strafing so just aim somewhere in the middle"
No aimbot can predict a person’s decision making so it’ll miss if they move erratically. It kind of makes me wonder if that’s the point of aimbotting with a projectile character vs a hit scan, you’ll miss more shots and if they watch death cam they won’t see you locked onto their head the whole time so less people will think you’re suspicious
The guys who took back the draw are about to be patient zero for the new guilty by association of cheater system. Thanks for donating your account to science.
Nah, they'll probably be alright. If you look, the cheater is actually on Seagull and Flats's team. The guys who took back the draw were just making weird choices since they said they were on alt accounts.
@@Axoe no fuck them. Unless the majority of the team is onboard and wanna continue the match, its just poor sportsmanship to not join a draw - or worse, take back their proposal for a draw.
Because cheaters are mostly noobs with very low skill, and I am not saying this to degrade them, it's actually true. They don't have patience or dedication, they just want wins without putting any effort. His positioning, his decisions, game awareness, understanding win and lose conditions are unironically on a bronze-silver level, this is why gms can easily spot hackers, because just by having great aim you wouldn't climb to top 500.
because aiming projectiles is just as much about games sense as it is about mechanics, even with 100% accurate predictions, you also have to take into account peoples behaviour when they are being shot at by a projectile hero, a machine can't do that because it doesn't understand people who are being shot at will actively try to not be hit.
Are you kidding, no, it makes sense for a hitscan player to hit their shots if they're not an acorn, but for projectile characters to be that accurate is an insanely high skill ceiling, and most people cannot compete with those who are that good through skill. The way it hard locked onto that Mercy was enough.
@@nuclearsimian3281 From a suspicion perspective a lot of people forget projectile aimbots even exist. And as we can see, they're way less effective than a hits an aimbot. Like they said at the end, it's usually very subtle. The cheater missed enough shots that unless I died to one of the especially suspect shots I wouldn't think he's cheating.
Concept: Force Draw. Its a setting in the menu and it only happens if like two or three people of each team select it Or they could just impliment an anti cheat
Well that wouldn’t work. First off you could get friend groups who separate and do similar things as trying to get into a death match together to completely ruin games if they are losing. “So make it so friends can’t do that” what happens if the 3rd vote is someone who happens to be friends with an enemy member which is more common in higher ranks.
After seeing that clip at the beginning of him shooting at the Mercy and Tracer I no longer feel bad about my inability to hit those heroes as Echo. If a cheater can't kill them then of course I can't 😂
I love when they take the point and decline the draw, they completely accept the cheater on their team and tell him to go wild, because at least he isn't as much of a douche as the enemy sojourn.
I find it hilarious how he can land the Sym projectiles on the Echo and Mercy from serious range but can't hit the Sojourn when they're practically barrel stuffing her
I hope they reported the guy on their team that took back the draw when they all knew the other guy was cheating. Actual braindead decision making skills
I agree calling for a draw and then taking it back after capping or making progress is a dick move, but also it's worth noting the cheater was on Flat's team. So it's entirely up to the enemy team if they want to play it out knowing their playing into a cheater. If the whole team agreed then imo it's not as big a deal as it would be if say, half wanted a draw and the others were playing it out.
@@blakeverdon4492 the thing is only one guy over there was like "can we just play?" And everyone else had to just go along with it or get farmed because he already said it multiple times. Nobody else over there asked for them to keep playing but the one guy on the opposite team
What I'm confused about is why were they doing this in a streamer game? Like you'd think if you're smart enough to cheat you'd be smart enough to not *blatently* use them in a streamer lobby???
To be fair if I was gonna allow a draw to be a good sportsman and then the enemy team took advantage of it to try and win, I would definitely tell the cheater to crank that shit up
5:16 I had to look up Ramattra's ult because damn that was forever. Apparently it now lasts 3-20 seconds (depending on how many enemies are in radius), instead of pausing entirely like it did here.
Funniest shit about the projectile aimbot is that it's hella counterable, if you just LR strafe they're like all gonna miss you, just like when fighting against enemies in videogames with predictive shooting
It was waaay more obvious the cheating on sym. He was definitely toggling. Sometimes he was beaming it would lock onto enemies behind who he was trying to shoot who were out of range and it would pull his crosshairs (20:52). Also the one frames peeks from behind walls
That's about the single inexorable point of evidence he's cheating. Obviously no human in the process of attacking one thing immediately and inexplicably begins tracking another thing that had only become apparent in that instant. There's no mental decision making there, only code.
@@briangreenfield311 I always thought that the absolute most hilarious thing someone should do in top 500, is play Soldier, and turn on assisted aimbot whenever they ult. How long would it take for someone to actually report them because they don't appreciate the joke? xP
I went up against a sigma that was cheating dude was hitting every shot and it was zipping straight to people's heads through walls on the killcams until people came out of cover . People he never seen once had 0 clue were there , just locked on before you've even entered his sightline
"Bet we could draw" "Ok but what if we didnt tho" I love how u guys explain it wont take away elo in a draw and he goes "this an alt so i dont really care." Like obviously you do you dont just wanna "play it out" for no reason. He clearly wanted to make it seem like he wasnt scumming a win but it just left him randomly insisting they dont draw with a cheater for literally no reason.
The cheater was on Flats’ team, not the enemy team. Flats would have been the ones to benefit from not drawing, but the enemy team just didn’t care and took the loss.
Honestly once you’re at top 500 cheaters don’t have as much impact unless it’s certain characters on certain maps like a widow on junkertown defense or something like that. I understand why no one does it anymore
I hope the people that disrespected the draw think it was worth somehow being the butt of a video that features a cheater. They 100% were already hyped up thinking they had advantage when you see the time. They should have immediately shot down the offer to draw, it was scummy.
It looked like they only had the projectile aimbot on, so the Sym beam was getting thrown off by not tracking but trying to lead when it was effectively "hitscan".
I've seen a lot of people in QP with somewhat similar aim and I always suspected cheats but wasn't quite sure. I mean first off, none were blatantly locking like this, mostly saw it with Tracer players where even in the most hectic fights it was impossible to get out of their fov - like they just had a tracker that automatically steered their view whenever you got close to the fov edge on their screen in close range fights (sub 3 meter range). Not locking with the crosshairs at all, but just always maintaining their target in focus under the most leg-breaking moves. I think they might have been simply testing out the cheats in quickplay to set up for comp, so without the aim lock part enabled but just the camera control. And yes, it looked incredibly artificial and nonhuman camera tracking.
If you watch enough of these hacker hunts you start to pick up on things. It's more likely that people will have walls on and their aimbot turned down, because the aimbot is more likely to get caught.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 in these hacker hunts they're often super obvious though. It's the ones that are borderline "this could just be an insane T500 player" but then you start questioning that thought process when you encounter just a tad too many players with such abilities. My mmr is high so it's not that I'm not used to gm mechanics, and I keep up just fine myself and have been called a cheater too, so it can be tough to tell. It's only when it seems a little too artificial and odd yet super consistent that lines get blurred. Haven't met anyone in OW2 who cranked up the cheats. A fair share in OW1 tho who I frequently reported and they got banned during a certain Hanzo projectile cheat era.
Camera control is the one inescapable positive of a cheat. The top players can track-track really freaking well-but no one keeps a target at the centre of the screen through all microscopic movements.
they really need a "call cheater timeout button" that will pause the game and kick a blizzard mod to come ban them. but limit it to like gm and t500 so its not abused
I don't know how people ever agree on draws. I had a match with two rage hackers against me, shooting through walls and and causing absolute destruction. I offered their team to back up, allow us to 5v2 against two hacker dps, and we could draw, but nobody agreed, even our tank who just kept blaming the support for bad heals and saying that bad heals were causing the game lose. It's hard to convince the enemy for draws when your own tank is an absolute moron.
People are overly thirsty for wins. They don't care if there's 2-3 leavers, someone hacking, or blatant hard throwers (from the days of priority pass). The leavers I understand to an extent, but if you have a blatant thrower, drawing is the best thing you can do because it just wastes their time. Same with drawing vs hackers, every second you waste they will get more and more pissed. It also doesn't help that everyone is paranoid that somebody will be "that guy" who goes off and breaks the draw pact.
@@PinkSpartan7209 if you're aware of the person is cheating you're just as culpable if your pocketing them. Even if you're not a duo, you're still acting like it.
It's definitely obvious when echgo beams the bridge for 2 seconds after tracer dashes away and there was 0 attempt to move or correct the aim as if they expected their aim to be on target
They really thought they had a chance to win even after everyone acknowledged there was a cheater in the game. It's like why even point it out in the first place?
I never knew that Overwatch 2 could be WAY more broken than Overwatch 1, Not just glitches but if they expect us to get the new skins they gotta give us a boost on these things
I don't understand why the supports were taking care of them after everyone found out they were cheating?? Like mercy was dmg boosting them on defense, knowing they were cheating
All you people deserve allegations made against you that you couldn't know to be true at the time, and no matter how much you plead your innocence, you should get punished too, simply for not being omniscient with powers of hindsight through time.
While that mercy did seem too thirsty for sr in voice when they were figuring out if they were drawing or not "man im on such a loss streak, i really need the sr" or whatever they said. You can't forget its literally mercys role to dmg boost their dps. And quite frankly theres too many hackusations and trolling and bs, its not worth trying to draw. Very few ppl will actually draw and not try to pull some last second bs to try to yoink the win/sr. Im of the opinion to just play it out. We're not judge and jury. Send the report of suspected cheating afterward and let blizzards anti cheat figure it out.
I can forgive them continuing to take care of him pre-draw agreement. Then the opposing team agreed to a draw, Flats and Seagull gave up 1st, and they went "Nah let's play it out". At that point, Mercy has free reign to pocket him, as the other team pulled something even more scummy - the bait and switch. Sure the Mercy *could* have pocketed Seagull or Flats instead after giving up 1st, but when you back out of the draw agreement, all gloves are off. They wanted to play it out, Mercy gave them what they wanted - playing properly. On top of that, they weren't even truly hard pocketing, they were bouncing around to whoever needed the support (minus when Flats+Seagull backed out, as Sym was the only ally near them) until after Drivebyshoota and Disconnected backed out of the draw.
That was so incredibly stupid from the enemy team.. I don't care if they don't mind losing but they just gave a win to a cheater, that's not ok. BTW incredible play with ramattra on the last point cap, it's a shame that we know the echo had any part in this though
"They keep turning it off". I feel bad for this guy cause as some one who plays echo, that's what getting 'lucky headshots' looks like. Especially the tracer kill those are fairly common.
I think they are an console player (ps4) so a echo using a PS4 REMOTE having that good of balance with her keys and aiming is insane. Lead alone balancing her flight too.
You know, I don't think they were cheating. I just think they were really good at finding derivatives with respect to x, and using that information to improve their aim in Overwatch!
-Call out a Cheater
-Refuses to draw
-Loses
-Refuses to elaborate
-Leave
It's so copium on their part it's hilarious.
I was half expecting them to be like "Draw! Draw!" When they were losing
Lol
he didn’t lose wasnt he on flats’ team?
Dude who double crossed on the draw was definetly the kid who called time out in freeze tag when he was about to get tagged
I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME
@@linuskobal are u the dude who took back the draw then?
@@linuskobal I WASNT PLAYING
@@Cameron_7127 you missed the joke
“Yeah I want to draw”
*caps point*
“Actually let’s just play”
mercy: "don't turn those cheats off, crank them to 11"
Well... How do you draw if the other team had 3 points? They needed to cap all points. On the third and fourth rounds, both teams should've waited until the time ran out
@@drzalchicha because the game doesn't have a surrender option like CSGO, so most of the time when there is a cheater, both teams play 2 rounds each on attack/defend and cap all the way. It makes the game consider it a draw. It gives you little sr, but it doesn't take away any like a loss does. Good for both teams because they don't get penalized for losing/winning in unfair circumstances.
I wish OW did have a surrender option for when you have 2+ leavers in Comp though :/
@@mcpuggynuggiesIt’s been a long time since I played competitive, doesn’t it give you like a 30-second timer after somebody leaves the game before you can quit without it counting?
@@Dash123456789Brawl it's 2 full minutes now
When they took back that draw, Flat's face said a million words.
He was absolutely incensed.
just 6, "Well, I guess you'll die, now."
He became Ramattra, ready to fist everyone
You never notice how much you miss videos spectating cheaters (or bronze) until they come back.
I hope he makes more 😭
Miss em so much
He actually did one on stream the other day, should be on RUclips soon
The best part is how the prediction is often worse than normal aim because it looks at some AD strafing and assumes they’re gonna keep running in a straight line so constantly shoots way outside their strafe
Yeah I'm pretty sure good projectile aimbot is impossible. Being a scumbag, however, is not.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 I've seen some TF2 projectile aimbots that were pretty fucked up. Never really seen any insane ones in OW for some reason
@@aBlackMage it’s prolly cause tf2 and ow strafe are very very different. not to mention how much smaller a lot of ow hitboxes are in comparison to tf2 agents
Yup, it just looks at velocity and direction, they're never gonna be smart enough to be like "oh they're just AD strafing so just aim somewhere in the middle"
No aimbot can predict a person’s decision making so it’ll miss if they move erratically. It kind of makes me wonder if that’s the point of aimbotting with a projectile character vs a hit scan, you’ll miss more shots and if they watch death cam they won’t see you locked onto their head the whole time so less people will think you’re suspicious
The guys who took back the draw are about to be patient zero for the new guilty by association of cheater system. Thanks for donating your account to science.
How, exactly? It was the echo on Flats' team that was cheating, not theirs.
Nah, they'll probably be alright. If you look, the cheater is actually on Seagull and Flats's team. The guys who took back the draw were just making weird choices since they said they were on alt accounts.
they’re facing the cheater? if they don’t care and want to play a real game then let them
@@Axoe no fuck them. Unless the majority of the team is onboard and wanna continue the match, its just poor sportsmanship to not join a draw - or worse, take back their proposal for a draw.
no the cheater was on flats team not their team
The enemy team really said "They're garbage even with the cheats" and decided to keep playing
because he was trying to get a point for free
I’m not gonna lie, that cheater looked so much worse than any top 500 I’ve ever seen lol
probably because the aimbot was throwing off his aim just as much as it was helping
Because cheaters are mostly noobs with very low skill, and I am not saying this to degrade them, it's actually true. They don't have patience or dedication, they just want wins without putting any effort. His positioning, his decisions, game awareness, understanding win and lose conditions are unironically on a bronze-silver level, this is why gms can easily spot hackers, because just by having great aim you wouldn't climb to top 500.
because aiming projectiles is just as much about games sense as it is about mechanics, even with 100% accurate predictions, you also have to take into account peoples behaviour when they are being shot at by a projectile hero, a machine can't do that because it doesn't understand people who are being shot at will actively try to not be hit.
thats cause people who cheat are bad... people who "can compete and win" dont just pussy out and download cheats to "git good"
OP bronzie 5 opinion because boosted youtuber got stomped by him.
took me to the end of the video to realize its the friendly echo who was cheating, not the enemy echo
they said their name in the chat 💀?
@@Jupiter-Jazz maybe he shut his brain off
dude.
I concur:
dude....
Nah cause same
12:00 the spectating starts.
Thanks
godsend
Hero
Yeah but 11 mins of context is kinda important.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 11mins of gameplay can be summarized, or edited and shortened. We came here to spectate the cheater as the title says.
guys he's not hacking. he just has a better echo body pillow than us
Lol
In his defense he had his gaming sock's on
Not to forget his Bluetooth gaming chair.
There is something smart about cheating as a projectile hero - people are a lot less suspicious about a projectile hero cheating compared to hitscans.
People just assume that if you're not pointing and clicking on something you can't possibly cheat.
Are you kidding, no, it makes sense for a hitscan player to hit their shots if they're not an acorn, but for projectile characters to be that accurate is an insanely high skill ceiling, and most people cannot compete with those who are that good through skill. The way it hard locked onto that Mercy was enough.
@@nuclearsimian3281 From a suspicion perspective a lot of people forget projectile aimbots even exist. And as we can see, they're way less effective than a hits an aimbot. Like they said at the end, it's usually very subtle. The cheater missed enough shots that unless I died to one of the especially suspect shots I wouldn't think he's cheating.
because projectile aimbot SUCKS
idk if smart is the right word lol
Concept: Force Draw. Its a setting in the menu and it only happens if like two or three people of each team select it
Or they could just impliment an anti cheat
Well that wouldn’t work. First off you could get friend groups who separate and do similar things as trying to get into a death match together to completely ruin games if they are losing. “So make it so friends can’t do that” what happens if the 3rd vote is someone who happens to be friends with an enemy member which is more common in higher ranks.
After seeing that clip at the beginning of him shooting at the Mercy and Tracer I no longer feel bad about my inability to hit those heroes as Echo. If a cheater can't kill them then of course I can't 😂
I love when they take the point and decline the draw, they completely accept the cheater on their team and tell him to go wild, because at least he isn't as much of a douche as the enemy sojourn.
I find it hilarious how he can land the Sym projectiles on the Echo and Mercy from serious range but can't hit the Sojourn when they're practically barrel stuffing her
Still can't get over the guy who said "crank it up". That bad that he gets insulted even with hacks on lmfao
Wow this echo was cheating I cannot believe this😡🤬. Wait echo is in the damage class right!? So is Genji, we need to nerf Genji
Finally, the only logical person in this comment section
I was worried about how no one was talking abt how op Genji is
Maybe they'll actually get around to buffing Sojourn too
Waiting for them to give Hog his big buff where he kills you by simply existing.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696she doesn't deserve any buffs, her basekit is too powerful with them.
I hope they reported the guy on their team that took back the draw when they all knew the other guy was cheating. Actual braindead decision making skills
I agree calling for a draw and then taking it back after capping or making progress is a dick move, but also it's worth noting the cheater was on Flat's team. So it's entirely up to the enemy team if they want to play it out knowing their playing into a cheater. If the whole team agreed then imo it's not as big a deal as it would be if say, half wanted a draw and the others were playing it out.
uh no lmao the cheater wasnt on that guys team
@@blakeverdon4492 The enemy team really said "They're garbage even with the cheats" and decided to keep playing
@@Jupiter-Jazz there... I edited the comment so it'll be easier to understand
@@blakeverdon4492 the thing is only one guy over there was like "can we just play?" And everyone else had to just go along with it or get farmed because he already said it multiple times. Nobody else over there asked for them to keep playing but the one guy on the opposite team
Now we know why Flats doesn't want ram ult to be nerfed
What I'm confused about is why were they doing this in a streamer game?
Like you'd think if you're smart enough to cheat you'd be smart enough to not *blatently* use them in a streamer lobby???
Maybe they didnt know? I played overwatch for a WHILE before I started seeing and watching streamers/youtubers play the game
Cheaters arent really smart. If they were theyd know how sad cheats are.
I've seen instances where the cheaters just kind of forget they're playing with streamers.
@@Jello-ri you’d think Players in GM would be aware of streamers
@@mobaisi13 ja it was just a quick Idea I threw out. I dunno why else the cheater would cheat in this Match then :^]
6:09 that was almost a whole minute of ramatra ult
I played with this guy in my diamond games and actually thought he was really good. Fooled me.
"lets draw!".... "NVM lets not!" *They proceed to lose* guess they shoulda taken that draw lololol
Hes not cheating, he saw Samito's Exho guide
200 hours in aim labs
It’s like I’m watching gameplay for Metroid Prime with how hard the Echo is locking on to everyone
To be fair if I was gonna allow a draw to be a good sportsman and then the enemy team took advantage of it to try and win, I would definitely tell the cheater to crank that shit up
The mercy damage boosting the guy the whole time 💀💀💀
At 20:52 he's shooting at Hog when his aim bot suddenly tracks off onto the echo. 100% proof of cheating right there.
He should've just took the draw lmao
I spectated myself being happy another one of these appeared.
I like how these projectile aim bots can't beat AD spamming
He's literally a bronze player in top 500.
The cheater?
Say something if you want, just know you got mad over two harmless words
@@_playa_ no flats... of course I mean the cheater
Which should indicate how necessary game sense actually is. You can literally reach the very top of the game exclusively by clicking heads.
@@burkhardt7694 bro you people just need to be so unnecessary huh? Especially with a pfp like that wth
@@_playa_ you have the awareness of a bronze 5 player if you thought he was talking about anything but the cheater.
4:04 that Kiriko was toxic as hell and I am SO here for it
5:16 I had to look up Ramattra's ult because damn that was forever. Apparently it now lasts 3-20 seconds (depending on how many enemies are in radius), instead of pausing entirely like it did here.
Funniest shit about the projectile aimbot is that it's hella counterable, if you just LR strafe they're like all gonna miss you, just like when fighting against enemies in videogames with predictive shooting
two mercy pocketed rams + ram copy is an absolute nightmare
Flats goes beast mode after they take the draw back!🤯🤯🤯💯
It was waaay more obvious the cheating on sym. He was definitely toggling. Sometimes he was beaming it would lock onto enemies behind who he was trying to shoot who were out of range and it would pull his crosshairs (20:52). Also the one frames peeks from behind walls
That's about the single inexorable point of evidence he's cheating. Obviously no human in the process of attacking one thing immediately and inexplicably begins tracking another thing that had only become apparent in that instant. There's no mental decision making there, only code.
Nothing beats Winston auto aim
Someone out there probably still has to have aim bot to use him 🤣
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@@briangreenfield311 I always thought that the absolute most hilarious thing someone should do in top 500, is play Soldier, and turn on assisted aimbot whenever they ult.
How long would it take for someone to actually report them because they don't appreciate the joke? xP
@@Falonefal this is actually impactfull now that soldier can hit headshots in his ult. So a real aimbot would still be unfair.
@@stevenwier1783 you can configure an aimbot to hit only body shots and even be accurate only a percentage of the time to make you seem more legit
I went up against a sigma that was cheating dude was hitting every shot and it was zipping straight to people's heads through walls on the killcams until people came out of cover . People he never seen once had 0 clue were there , just locked on before you've even entered his sightline
AGONY IS GRAPE FLAVORED
"Bet we could draw"
"Ok but what if we didnt tho"
I love how u guys explain it wont take away elo in a draw and he goes "this an alt so i dont really care." Like obviously you do you dont just wanna "play it out" for no reason.
He clearly wanted to make it seem like he wasnt scumming a win but it just left him randomly insisting they dont draw with a cheater for literally no reason.
The cheater was on Flats’ team, not the enemy team. Flats would have been the ones to benefit from not drawing, but the enemy team just didn’t care and took the loss.
It’s the “I’ve got content” for me
13:57 "Get down Mr. President!"
Honestly once you’re at top 500 cheaters don’t have as much impact unless it’s certain characters on certain maps like a widow on junkertown defense or something like that. I understand why no one does it anymore
Without second tank cheaters are more impactful than ever
ThEy GoTtA wIn TeH gAmE!!!!!!!111112
@@Sachock I feel like that’s a lot more at lower ranks but in the video it was pretty close and mainly came down to tank role as the deciding factor
@@Sachock in lower ranks sure but in top 500 nah
That loss was entirely brought on by themselves. Imagine taking 2 massive Ls in quick succession, first by double crossed, then by losing
I hope the people that disrespected the draw think it was worth somehow being the butt of a video that features a cheater.
They 100% were already hyped up thinking they had advantage when you see the time. They should have immediately shot down the offer to draw, it was scummy.
The range activated cheats probably helps with keeping accuracy lower.
It looked like they only had the projectile aimbot on, so the Sym beam was getting thrown off by not tracking but trying to lead when it was effectively "hitscan".
I've seen a lot of people in QP with somewhat similar aim and I always suspected cheats but wasn't quite sure. I mean first off, none were blatantly locking like this, mostly saw it with Tracer players where even in the most hectic fights it was impossible to get out of their fov - like they just had a tracker that automatically steered their view whenever you got close to the fov edge on their screen in close range fights (sub 3 meter range). Not locking with the crosshairs at all, but just always maintaining their target in focus under the most leg-breaking moves. I think they might have been simply testing out the cheats in quickplay to set up for comp, so without the aim lock part enabled but just the camera control. And yes, it looked incredibly artificial and nonhuman camera tracking.
If you watch enough of these hacker hunts you start to pick up on things. It's more likely that people will have walls on and their aimbot turned down, because the aimbot is more likely to get caught.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 in these hacker hunts they're often super obvious though. It's the ones that are borderline "this could just be an insane T500 player" but then you start questioning that thought process when you encounter just a tad too many players with such abilities. My mmr is high so it's not that I'm not used to gm mechanics, and I keep up just fine myself and have been called a cheater too, so it can be tough to tell. It's only when it seems a little too artificial and odd yet super consistent that lines get blurred. Haven't met anyone in OW2 who cranked up the cheats. A fair share in OW1 tho who I frequently reported and they got banned during a certain Hanzo projectile cheat era.
Camera control is the one inescapable positive of a cheat. The top players can track-track really freaking well-but no one keeps a target at the centre of the screen through all microscopic movements.
for those that missed it, he pre fired at 15:29
i love that perfect sub animation at 15:00
My favoriate flats videos. Exposing cheaters
they really need a "call cheater timeout button" that will pause the game and kick a blizzard mod to come ban them. but limit it to like gm and t500 so its not abused
Ngl this echo was doing so much air that I didn’t even notice that it was flats’ echo until 16:00
If they pulled that on me I'd just go "Alright Echo, crank it up then we trying"
I don't know how people ever agree on draws. I had a match with two rage hackers against me, shooting through walls and and causing absolute destruction. I offered their team to back up, allow us to 5v2 against two hacker dps, and we could draw, but nobody agreed, even our tank who just kept blaming the support for bad heals and saying that bad heals were causing the game lose. It's hard to convince the enemy for draws when your own tank is an absolute moron.
People are overly thirsty for wins. They don't care if there's 2-3 leavers, someone hacking, or blatant hard throwers (from the days of priority pass). The leavers I understand to an extent, but if you have a blatant thrower, drawing is the best thing you can do because it just wastes their time. Same with drawing vs hackers, every second you waste they will get more and more pissed. It also doesn't help that everyone is paranoid that somebody will be "that guy" who goes off and breaks the draw pact.
reason why i hate compet.... cheaters are heavy in compet and people just want to ride them for that game
I miss when Rammatra's ult just would not end until everyone is dead or out of your radius like Mauga.
it took me till capping 2nd point to realize the cheater was on your guys team
Pretty sure his name is dydx because that's a notation for derivatives in calculus and the hacks are following their current velocity
Yo hot take tho ramattras primordial skin is better then his posiden skin
Facts
that mercy is 100% a duo
Disagree
Absolutely not, they were saying the echo is cheating too. Mercy's job is to pocket dps that's why they were always with the echo.
@@PinkSpartan7209 if you're aware of the person is cheating you're just as culpable if your pocketing them.
Even if you're not a duo, you're still acting like it.
cooper isn't a duo w him tf???
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 bruh..
Imagine if Echo couldn't duplicate characters if you don't own them.
Don’t give them ideas!!
The fact that echo already gets to control enemy hero changes is bad enough
Echo is my "free dlc" character, just like ginyu in fighterz
Watch 19:54 at .07 times speed and you'll see so many fishy things, he locks onto a bunch of characters behind walls and keeps trying to shoot them.
“Toggling” is what it is better known as
"here comes the balanced character" lmao
9:59 so no one is gonna talk about this clean transition
Damn didn’t realize, that’s cool as fook
Les go, new Flats video!
It's definitely obvious when echgo beams the bridge for 2 seconds after tracer dashes away and there was 0 attempt to move or correct the aim as if they expected their aim to be on target
They really thought they had a chance to win even after everyone acknowledged there was a cheater in the game. It's like why even point it out in the first place?
So I figured it out, it only does the lock at echo beam range
Why haven't I got this map in so long?
I never knew that Overwatch 2 could be WAY more broken than Overwatch 1, Not just glitches but if they expect us to get the new skins they gotta give us a boost on these things
I don't understand why the supports were taking care of them after everyone found out they were cheating?? Like mercy was dmg boosting them on defense, knowing they were cheating
Yep, I main support and if I find a cheater they're never getting intentionally healed/damage boosted.
Yeah, that Mercy was hard-pocketing the cheater for some reason. It’s almost as bad as the actual hacking
All you people deserve allegations made against you that you couldn't know to be true at the time, and no matter how much you plead your innocence, you should get punished too, simply for not being omniscient with powers of hindsight through time.
While that mercy did seem too thirsty for sr in voice when they were figuring out if they were drawing or not "man im on such a loss streak, i really need the sr" or whatever they said. You can't forget its literally mercys role to dmg boost their dps.
And quite frankly theres too many hackusations and trolling and bs, its not worth trying to draw. Very few ppl will actually draw and not try to pull some last second bs to try to yoink the win/sr. Im of the opinion to just play it out. We're not judge and jury. Send the report of suspected cheating afterward and let blizzards anti cheat figure it out.
I can forgive them continuing to take care of him pre-draw agreement. Then the opposing team agreed to a draw, Flats and Seagull gave up 1st, and they went "Nah let's play it out". At that point, Mercy has free reign to pocket him, as the other team pulled something even more scummy - the bait and switch.
Sure the Mercy *could* have pocketed Seagull or Flats instead after giving up 1st, but when you back out of the draw agreement, all gloves are off. They wanted to play it out, Mercy gave them what they wanted - playing properly. On top of that, they weren't even truly hard pocketing, they were bouncing around to whoever needed the support (minus when Flats+Seagull backed out, as Sym was the only ally near them) until after Drivebyshoota and Disconnected backed out of the draw.
I think that Rammatra ultimate might be powerful.
I can tell it's been a long time since I played, because I was like, "Who the fuck is this character he's playing?" 😂
longest ult ever. good lord that needs a limit.
Unexpected bronze spectating from a top 500 game lmao
Yayyy new Flats upload!!!
ironic how dydx does not use the derivative of the position that the person is moving for the cheats
The Mercy pocketing the hacker is a bit scummy
It didn’t help much, but pocketing cheaters is a bad move
echo even wit cheats was so bad i forgot he was cheating mid vid
Starts spectating @ 12:20
this needs to be top comment lmfao
People who clip with medal are npcs
That was so incredibly stupid from the enemy team.. I don't care if they don't mind losing but they just gave a win to a cheater, that's not ok.
BTW incredible play with ramattra on the last point cap, it's a shame that we know the echo had any part in this though
She prob didn’t do much, also this mentality of “the entire team is to blame if the cheater wins” is just like kindergarten mentality.
Title could have easily been "shat on cheater in top 500" but flats is humble enough to show us the clips instead.
The cheater was on the same team as flats
I mean the title could have also easily been "flats looks better without facial hair", but the issue with both titles is that they would both be lies.
The cheater was in their team and they won? so how would it be "shat on cheater" ?
My bad there was 2 of them got confused 🤣
@@briangreenfield311 i was too at 1st tbh : D
"They keep turning it off". I feel bad for this guy cause as some one who plays echo, that's what getting 'lucky headshots' looks like. Especially the tracer kill those are fairly common.
That ram ult on point 3 attack lasted about 43 seconds lmfao ram isn't real
That is an INSANE projectile aimbot. Holy sh** lmao.
what was sus about the clip with echo flying over the bridge? nothing looked weird to me
I think they are an console player (ps4) so a echo using a PS4 REMOTE having that good of balance with her keys and aiming is insane. Lead alone balancing her flight too.
Rammatra pov be like double it and give it to the next person
Bro thought Echos projectiles were to hard to hit 💀
You know, I don't think they were cheating. I just think they were really good at finding derivatives with respect to x, and using that information to improve their aim in Overwatch!
Holy crap ram ult used to be so op
Wait, does switching forms get rid of the stick bombs from Echo's right click?
love the mercy pocketing the cheater the whole time. disgusting
If you're losing with a cheater on your team... Idk what to tell you, I wouldn't have drawn
Flats had the cheater on his team