@@shot040 Well the attunement scales the damage of each frostbite stack as a multiplier yeah. But it's also the case for any attunement skill, whether hit-based or DoT-based. It's almost always a good idea to get as much of your primary stat as possible!
@@scottcisco8694yeah I just recently learned about this tech, though it would probably work better on a hit-based crit setup. Well you need to be a Druid so it would be a whole new build anyway, and maybe go ward with the str = int cleaver + dual wielding with mad alchemist ladle (this is viable as shaman too) By the way I forgot to mention in my shaman builds, you should definitely go for a "% chance to summon thorn totem on hit" idol and spec the "elemental/physical resistance per totem" passives. At higher corruption you want to free resistance suffixes to get a lot more health
does feel like that sometimes! in all honesty I am not an expert at the druid setup so I can't say much about it 😅 From what I gather it should be more powerful for pushing high corruption etc (big ?question mark?, I haven't pushed my build far and rn I'm on a PoE ride. It's my gut feeling). But druid should feel less smooth to play with the shapeshifting
haha yeah I remember a friend tried just tornado storm bolts (no frostbite or anything) but it was unoptimized and sometimes his GPU crashed :D Now I think they made it easier on the GPU
@@sadgothur6622 they are not required to start it but they will allow way better scaling. I use Frozen Ire sceptre, Frostbite Shackles gloves, Snowdrift boots. Idols are also a big boost, Throne of Ambition and primalist idols "% chance to apply frostbite on hit". Singularity is also neat
How is it against T4 Julra. Can you tank the smaller hits and towers? Do you need to have tonnes of hybrid health to make it through that? It seems to be the big defensive test is how hard do you have to work for T4 Julra.
Hey so I haven't tried T4 Julra with the build because I haven't needed to LP a high-lvl unique yet. But I think it is viable. Hard to say because Julra is much harder now with the ward health bars. The best might be to optimize your gear for health & endurance by relying on thorn totems for resistances. You can get idols with "% summon thorn totem on hit + cold damage per totem", at least one, maybe 2 for more reliability since they might die from Julra's damage. Another thing is the tornados clutter the screen, although not as much as Avalanche in my mind. And Julra has this cold wave to dodge which is a similar color. EHG skill effects cosmetics pretty please :D Oh and last but not least it's possible to build Ward with Mad Alchemist's Ladle + Cleaver Solution but it's a whole different build and might have better damage as hit-based rather than frostbite. I'll post an update video to talk about these methods, right after my next one which is about Static Orb Sorcerer. I'll keep in mind to include T4 Julra fights for easy comparison of builds!
forgot to mention that getting armor is also viable, especially if you spec Spriggan Form to spam some thorn shield & regen mana (and drop 2 healing totems).
Kind of confused with your planner here. I thought the damage we were trying to scale here were the storm bolts off Tornado procs? How are you proccing Maelstrom here with Fury Leap on the skill bar? Are you auto-ing with Gathering Storm often? I like the build, so we're weaving in and out with Tornado and Gathering Storm to proc Maelstrom via expending a storm stack? Seems good for SC bit harder for HC :(
Hey so the point with Maelstrom is to keep 6+ stacks to activate the skill tree nodes - Frenzy and Haste - 1 storm bolt per second - endurance threshold per stack thanks to a Shaman passive We achieve this just by using the Warcry on cooldown. You don't really have to weave Gathering Storm, I rarely use it. It's specced for buffing Storm Bolts from all sources. We also get a lot of Maelstrom stacks from killing/hitting boss & rares (the storm bolts from tornados work for that). Weaving Gathering Storm can get you more maelstrom stacks through expending Storm stacks but it's not necessary and can put you in danger for Hardcore you'll want to focus on tankiness ofc, so health, endurance/endurance threshold, maybe armor (you can use Spriggan form to spam Thorn shield and regenerate all your mana, but I don't like that gameplay). There is actually a way to build around ward on the tornado build. That should be my next video on this Shaman build (the one currently in the works is for a Sorcerer build however, but maybe after that one)
@@Vikfro thanks for the explanation!!! I'll have to tweak things with your build into getting more health and armor elsewhere for use in HC. Cheers and continue the great work.
so it has less damage on hits compared to Avalanche of course. But there are sooo many hits applying Frostbite, I sometimes see them reach the 999 number! I think the DPS is bigger on long fights because the mana is more sustainable with Tornados. Maybe an optimized crit Avalanche (whether physical or cold) could reach higher? It's really hard to tell, it would be so good if the arena mannequins would display the DPS they receive. The only good comparison is to run the same boss at similar corruption levels or a dungeon like T4 Julra. I can do that later but my Frostbite gear is way more optimized than my old crit. With trading it will be easy to get a better crit gear though
@@Vikfro if your summon spaggan is dying a lot, Swipe might be good choice. there is a node for swipe which makes you heal the summon to full. you could also try specing warcry for healing and going for heal effectiveness. i believe maelstorm has some node that gives health per second on maelstorm.
@@dodang_9147 interesting idea! I did consider using Swipe instead of Gathering Storm on my previous Avalanche build (since it's not focussed on Storm Bolt), it's also nice to get the various buffs it offers. Yeah the warcry node before the maelstrom stacks can heal minions with another node specced, which combines well with the totem node so it warcries multiple times
@@Vikfro it is old build for scorpian beastmaster that focuses on poison stacking. I am not sure if it any good for frostbite shaman. I am still trying to roll Red rings for my melee tempest strike build. red ring takes forever to get but they're only rings that are good for melee build. The DR is too important for health stack and resistances those ring provide is unmatched. same for m/s. the clear for melee build is bad without m/s rings.
@@steezzee Yeah that's no problem, maybe keep your avalanche to clear a few maps to level up Tornado a bit. Try to focus the ones that reward xp books at the end! I'd say Spriggan is not super important to have right away. When your Tornado is good enough to clear on its own unspec Avalanche and add Spriggan If you play trade buy the uniques and idols (and other gear if you want to), but they aren't required to start the build. Though they will boost your damage like crazy
@@Vikfro Thanks bro - did the respec and now it's pumping. I'm empowered monos @ 78, feeling a bit squishy so need to work on the defences a bit. Still no deaths though which is nice.
@@steezzee Nice to know! Yeah don't hesitate to prioritize defenses since the build naturally gets a lot of dmg with uniques, idols, etc. By the way there is a way to build Ward with this which I think feels tankier. But it changes all the items and might have better dmg as hit-based instead of frostbite. Maybe for the video after the next one (working on Static Orb spark charge manastacking Sorcerer)
also you can use a "% chance to summon thorn totem + cold damage per totem" idol and spec thorn totems to rely on them for elemental/physical resistances. This opens up a LOT of suffixes for health, endurance, armor. Spriggan Form can boost your armor a shit ton and regen your mana, but I'm not fond of this gameplay
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Oh. This makes a lot more sense when I’m focusing on Attunement scaling.
@@shot040 Well the attunement scales the damage of each frostbite stack as a multiplier yeah. But it's also the case for any attunement skill, whether hit-based or DoT-based.
It's almost always a good idea to get as much of your primary stat as possible!
You know this build would be a beast if you switched to druid in wearbear form. That crazy lightning damage buff would make this build sooo beast.
@@scottcisco8694yeah I just recently learned about this tech, though it would probably work better on a hit-based crit setup. Well you need to be a Druid so it would be a whole new build anyway, and maybe go ward with the str = int cleaver + dual wielding with mad alchemist ladle (this is viable as shaman too)
By the way I forgot to mention in my shaman builds, you should definitely go for a "% chance to summon thorn totem on hit" idol and spec the "elemental/physical resistance per totem" passives. At higher corruption you want to free resistance suffixes to get a lot more health
cant decide between this or druid and lightning vs cold stacking.. choosing a build in an argp is usually harder for me than the game itself :D
does feel like that sometimes! in all honesty I am not an expert at the druid setup so I can't say much about it 😅
From what I gather it should be more powerful for pushing high corruption etc (big ?question mark?, I haven't pushed my build far and rn I'm on a PoE ride. It's my gut feeling). But druid should feel less smooth to play with the shapeshifting
i remember back in the beta i tried SO HARD to get tornado to clear anything but now its actually possible lmao
haha yeah I remember a friend tried just tornado storm bolts (no frostbite or anything) but it was unoptimized and sometimes his GPU crashed :D Now I think they made it easier on the GPU
@@Vikfro what i did was use the storm orbs boy was it bad lol was there any required uniques/items to use this build?
@@sadgothur6622 they are not required to start it but they will allow way better scaling. I use Frozen Ire sceptre, Frostbite Shackles gloves, Snowdrift boots.
Idols are also a big boost, Throne of Ambition and primalist idols "% chance to apply frostbite on hit". Singularity is also neat
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@@sadgothur6622 thanks appreciate it!
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How is it against T4 Julra. Can you tank the smaller hits and towers? Do you need to have tonnes of hybrid health to make it through that? It seems to be the big defensive test is how hard do you have to work for T4 Julra.
Hey so I haven't tried T4 Julra with the build because I haven't needed to LP a high-lvl unique yet. But I think it is viable. Hard to say because Julra is much harder now with the ward health bars.
The best might be to optimize your gear for health & endurance by relying on thorn totems for resistances. You can get idols with "% summon thorn totem on hit + cold damage per totem", at least one, maybe 2 for more reliability since they might die from Julra's damage.
Another thing is the tornados clutter the screen, although not as much as Avalanche in my mind. And Julra has this cold wave to dodge which is a similar color. EHG skill effects cosmetics pretty please :D
Oh and last but not least it's possible to build Ward with Mad Alchemist's Ladle + Cleaver Solution but it's a whole different build and might have better damage as hit-based rather than frostbite.
I'll post an update video to talk about these methods, right after my next one which is about Static Orb Sorcerer. I'll keep in mind to include T4 Julra fights for easy comparison of builds!
forgot to mention that getting armor is also viable, especially if you spec Spriggan Form to spam some thorn shield & regen mana (and drop 2 healing totems).
Kind of confused with your planner here. I thought the damage we were trying to scale here were the storm bolts off Tornado procs? How are you proccing Maelstrom here with Fury Leap on the skill bar? Are you auto-ing with Gathering Storm often? I like the build, so we're weaving in and out with Tornado and Gathering Storm to proc Maelstrom via expending a storm stack?
Seems good for SC bit harder for HC :(
Hey so the point with Maelstrom is to keep 6+ stacks to activate the skill tree nodes
- Frenzy and Haste
- 1 storm bolt per second
- endurance threshold per stack thanks to a Shaman passive
We achieve this just by using the Warcry on cooldown. You don't really have to weave Gathering Storm, I rarely use it. It's specced for buffing Storm Bolts from all sources. We also get a lot of Maelstrom stacks from killing/hitting boss & rares (the storm bolts from tornados work for that). Weaving Gathering Storm can get you more maelstrom stacks through expending Storm stacks but it's not necessary and can put you in danger
for Hardcore you'll want to focus on tankiness ofc, so health, endurance/endurance threshold, maybe armor (you can use Spriggan form to spam Thorn shield and regenerate all your mana, but I don't like that gameplay).
There is actually a way to build around ward on the tornado build. That should be my next video on this Shaman build (the one currently in the works is for a Sorcerer build however, but maybe after that one)
@@Vikfro thanks for the explanation!!! I'll have to tweak things with your build into getting more health and armor elsewhere for use in HC. Cheers and continue the great work.
How does this damage compare to Avalanche? Avalanche damage on the bar looks much higher than what it hits for so it's hard to tell in this game.
so it has less damage on hits compared to Avalanche of course. But there are sooo many hits applying Frostbite, I sometimes see them reach the 999 number! I think the DPS is bigger on long fights because the mana is more sustainable with Tornados.
Maybe an optimized crit Avalanche (whether physical or cold) could reach higher? It's really hard to tell, it would be so good if the arena mannequins would display the DPS they receive. The only good comparison is to run the same boss at similar corruption levels or a dungeon like T4 Julra.
I can do that later but my Frostbite gear is way more optimized than my old crit. With trading it will be easy to get a better crit gear though
@@Vikfro if your summon spaggan is dying a lot, Swipe might be good choice. there is a node for swipe which makes you heal the summon to full. you could also try specing warcry for healing and going for heal effectiveness. i believe maelstorm has some node that gives health per second on maelstorm.
@@dodang_9147 interesting idea! I did consider using Swipe instead of Gathering Storm on my previous Avalanche build (since it's not focussed on Storm Bolt), it's also nice to get the various buffs it offers. Yeah the warcry node before the maelstrom stacks can heal minions with another node specced, which combines well with the totem node so it warcries multiple times
@@Vikfro it is old build for scorpian beastmaster that focuses on poison stacking. I am not sure if it any good for frostbite shaman. I am still trying to roll Red rings for my melee tempest strike build. red ring takes forever to get but they're only rings that are good for melee build. The DR is too important for health stack and resistances those ring provide is unmatched. same for m/s. the clear for melee build is bad without m/s rings.
Have a level 64 avalanche shaman, but thinking about switching to this - is that a high enough level for it all to come together?
@@steezzee Yeah that's no problem, maybe keep your avalanche to clear a few maps to level up Tornado a bit. Try to focus the ones that reward xp books at the end! I'd say Spriggan is not super important to have right away.
When your Tornado is good enough to clear on its own unspec Avalanche and add Spriggan
If you play trade buy the uniques and idols (and other gear if you want to), but they aren't required to start the build. Though they will boost your damage like crazy
@@Vikfro Thanks bro - did the respec and now it's pumping. I'm empowered monos @ 78, feeling a bit squishy so need to work on the defences a bit. Still no deaths though which is nice.
@@steezzee Nice to know! Yeah don't hesitate to prioritize defenses since the build naturally gets a lot of dmg with uniques, idols, etc.
By the way there is a way to build Ward with this which I think feels tankier. But it changes all the items and might have better dmg as hit-based instead of frostbite. Maybe for the video after the next one (working on Static Orb spark charge manastacking Sorcerer)
also you can use a "% chance to summon thorn totem + cold damage per totem" idol and spec thorn totems to rely on them for elemental/physical resistances. This opens up a LOT of suffixes for health, endurance, armor. Spriggan Form can boost your armor a shit ton and regen your mana, but I'm not fond of this gameplay
Will there be a loot filter for this?
hey sorry about that, I forget it every time 😅 here you go pastebin.com/6e6PBcf6
Also I recommend searching "Raxxanterax loot filter" on YT he has a universal filter for all classes, easily customizable. Very good for trading! Well maybe I should use it and customize it for my builds instead of doing it from scratch.
@@Vikfro Thanks man