I think the answer is simple. Patience. Patience because that's what needs to happen at this moment. We added more pitching to a seemingly dominant pitching roster. It started off really and has cooled down a little, but it's still one of the best pitching rosters in baseball. That's why we are treading water at this point. Management got that part right. So no one should be complaining there. The issue is the hitting. Before the season, it looked like this lineup would be able to at least do enough hittonf. Add that to the pitching, and there was a consensus around the fan base and management that we would have a top spot in the Central. But then Torkelson had an absolutely shocking performance. I think it's fair to speculate that he should've had somewhere between 14-18 homeruns before the All-Star break. Meadows was rushed, but plenty of fans and management thought he would hit. Carpenter is hurt, and getting pitched hit against lefties. Colt Kieth is still acclimating, and no one thought it would be this bad for him. Not this bad. The offense being this anemic wasn't expected. It definitely wasn't the strong suit but it wasn't expected to be this anemic. Unfortunately, that is where they miscalculated. So now, Tigers need to adjust. Nothing wrong with being patient while also maybe trading a player that can bring in a young hitter that has some MLB time and looks like he could contribute this year and next year. Don't rush anything, though. This team is still young and has potential as early as next year if they make a few more tweaks and trust the process.
@@dennis3178 agree. when you watch him you wonder about his vision? never barrels a ball down the middle. his HRs look like lucky swings. upside trade piece for sure.
I am in between these poles you presented. On one hand....begrudgingly,....some patience is needed and warranted in this situation. A young hiitter or two might turn the corner. They might find consistency in these next 30 games and go 20-10. It just might happen in the near future. On the other hand, if they signed two more bats then this situation wouldnt be so precarious. Two more bsts would have been feasible with a lower middling salary. I am sick of waiting on the kids or on a cheapskate owner who simply doesn't want to pay until some magical day arises. I want see the Tigers onvolved in meaningful September baseball pushing for a playoff berth. So there. My emotions are in a knot. Go Tigers.....whuptee fn dooo.
I remember in 06 Leyland said that he didn't know why the tigers even took the field. And some more kind words. They left for the Oakland road trip the next day. And lit it up until they got handled in the world series. Let these kids come up and prove themselves. The pitching is there. If they stay in the race, get Verlander and bring him home.
Put the peddle to metal and do not let up until you have ring. Screw patience. Gibby knows that because that is the way he played and why the Dodgers won. Play back his comments in spring training of that year.
The Detroit Tigers are baseball royalty and as a 76 year, died in the wool, fan, my patience will never run out and when we lose it always hurts but when we win it's pure joy and I will continue to believe in the greatest baseball team on the planet!
LOL..the Tigers are not in any way, shape or form, "baseball royalty." Sure, they are an original charter team of the American League, but royalty? Very, very few teams in MLB can lay claim that title. Despite my utter hatred for the Yankees, they are one. St. Louis is probably the other. If not for the recent success, maybe Boston. Thats probably it. Thats the list. The Tigers are relevant once or twice a decade or two and thats it. Strong following when they are good, forgotten when they aren't. Frustrating as a fan. My hope, as a Tiger fan, is that at some point, the family sells the team to a private equity firm who is actually sees the value of the team and its fanbase instead of a auxiliary entertainment venue. Until that happens, its unfortunately going to be the same ol same ol.
@@danielm9940 Double edge sword. Sometimes the glossy cover with the all the graphics is there to sell crap books. I spent a bunch of money as a kid buying Atari video games based on the cover. The games were usually crap. I mean my goodness I wish the Tigers would care enough to spend something. Maybe the kids they have in the system will turn out to be something, maybe they won't. Not expecting Dodgers or Yankee money but at least try to suplement the kids with something. Big, huge difference between where they are and the median MLB payroll. I don't want to turn 70 before my Tigers get a breath of playoff baseball. Thus my original statement stands. Tigers are no where near baseball royalty. Never have been. Wish they were though.
JV’s contract expires at the end of the season and Houston are sellers go get him. You won’t have to give up much to get him and you move Maeda to long relief or DFA him. The rotation of Skubal, Flaherty, Verlander, Olson and Mize I’d put that up against ANY rotation in all of baseball.
The Bally rumor story per a Comcast (rumor mill) rep is that Amazon is negotiating....this is second time I've heard Amazon wanting to have a better sport showcase on Prime.
My answer is simply, I am sick of seeing this team be mediocre or bad year after year. I completely understand we HAD to go through a rebuild and have been patient with that. However this team was 2nd in the AL Central in 2022. This team had winning records against every division rival in 2023 and if MLB didn't change the schedule where you face every single team, Detroit wins enough of those extra division games to maybe take the division. But in 2024 the Detroit Tigers were selected by so many people to be the #2 team in this division and to make the playoffs on at least a wild card. Heck some people even had them going 1st over Minnesota. While no one could have truly predicted KC and Cleveland to be as good as they are, Detroit has expectations now because this should be a team that plays October baseball. This team should be winning at least 3 games out of every 5 with Skubal, Olson and Flaherty but they aren't. The team selling would send a huge Shockwave through this fanbase that Scott Harris will not want. We don't want or care about potential prospects right now. Get wins
I opted out of being a Tiger fan after 2016. Getting rid of all your favorite players and "rebuilding" is not what any lifelong fan wants to hear and see happen. Apparently they are still rebuilding and trying to do it on the cheap. I knew it would all go south after Mike Illitch was gone. What a shame. I wish these team "owners" would realize that the team is not theirs. It belongs to the fans and the Detroit area. They are just the stewards. But of course to them it's big business.
I want to win,June 5,flaherty must stay,let's meet the gold standard,why can't we?,our pitching is much better, let's get the bats and rbis going let's be Thomas the train, I think we can be champions
My patience is gone. The Tigers haven’t had a winning season since Chris took over the team and haven’t won the division in 10 years. Rebuilds shouldn’t take a decade. Until our owner proves he is committed to winning and puts his wallet where his mouth is this team will go nowhere.
This is the difference between someone who's actually played the game, and those who haven't. Gibby knows what a WS team looks like. He knows the feeling behind a team that's a true contender and one that's not! Right now, here are the teams that are true contenders in the AL: Yankees, Orioles, Rays, Guardians, Rangers, Astros, and Mariners. Why? Because they've all been playoff teams the past 3 to 5 years or right there contending for a WC spot. Pretenders are the following: Jays, Royals, Twins, Tigers, and Angels. Red Sox, White Sox, and A's are all rebuilding. With that said, there's no way a person as clued into the game and has been for 40-plus years like Gibby looks at the Tigers and lies to himself to say, Yeah we should buy at the deadline because we can win a WS!!! Btw, there's no point in getting to the playoffs if you can't win a WS. What good would getting to the playoffs and getting swept out of the 1st round do??? Answer: Nothing. We'd still lose Flaherty to FA for nothing. Skubal would be one year closer to leaving when he's a FA. And we'd still lack any potent offensive weapons with zero chance getting any in the draft without a top 10 selection. Bottom line: We don't have a contender! Thus, we need more talent in our organization till we have enough to become contenders. Anyone who's played the game can obviously see that!
Spend 25-30 mil on two "B" grade hitters and the Tigers are probably in the playoffs and that's not exactly going all in and screwing your future. Btw 25 mil spent is still right at or below league average for the payroll. Most nights all they gotta do is score 3 or 4 runs because the pitching staff is dominant but they can't really score a measly 3 runs consistently...
@trevorthompson330 There pitching is good enough to win division if they add 3 professional batters by deadline. Upgrade 1st base. 3rd base and catcher there at least watchable and competitive. Tigers can't even draft and develop hitters that well and their hitting coaches all suck lol but keep being patient with the Billionaires 😂
Look at all the players that were traded that got us nothing but got their rings elsewhere jack Morris got most get s rings from twins and blue Jays those teams were better the 1984;team was a managed success and lance parrish only hit what 30 home runs Gibson 30?? So what tigers are outright mediocre team they're overated
I dont consider Kirk Gibson as a legend you dont hear him in the sports news hardly . Lol never played in college bowl game . Two world seriess ah hes great player bur not that great
Was in Detroit for 9 years, LA for 3 years, KC for 1 year, Pittsburgh for 1 year and back in Detroit from 1993 - 1995 so, no he didn’t finish as a Dodger.
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So by that standard, the Tigers should be restricted from raising prices until they make the playoffs.
The Red Wings nor the Tigers have played a single playoff game since Chris took the teams over. He doesn’t care as much as his dad did and it shows.
I think the answer is simple. Patience. Patience because that's what needs to happen at this moment. We added more pitching to a seemingly dominant pitching roster. It started off really and has cooled down a little, but it's still one of the best pitching rosters in baseball. That's why we are treading water at this point. Management got that part right. So no one should be complaining there. The issue is the hitting. Before the season, it looked like this lineup would be able to at least do enough hittonf. Add that to the pitching, and there was a consensus around the fan base and management that we would have a top spot in the Central. But then Torkelson had an absolutely shocking performance. I think it's fair to speculate that he should've had somewhere between 14-18 homeruns before the All-Star break. Meadows was rushed, but plenty of fans and management thought he would hit. Carpenter is hurt, and getting pitched hit against lefties. Colt Kieth is still acclimating, and no one thought it would be this bad for him. Not this bad. The offense being this anemic wasn't expected. It definitely wasn't the strong suit but it wasn't expected to be this anemic. Unfortunately, that is where they miscalculated. So now, Tigers need to adjust. Nothing wrong with being patient while also maybe trading a player that can bring in a young hitter that has some MLB time and looks like he could contribute this year and next year. Don't rush anything, though. This team is still young and has potential as early as next year if they make a few more tweaks and trust the process.
10 years and still waiting!
figuring out Tork's swing should be all hands on deck. could solve alot of problems and he's in house.
Lol yeah lol what a joke
Torkelson's problem is that he's not a big league caliber player. That's it.
@@dennis3178 agree. when you watch him you wonder about his vision? never barrels a ball down the middle. his HRs look like lucky swings. upside trade piece for sure.
I am in between these poles you presented. On one hand....begrudgingly,....some patience is needed and warranted in this situation. A young hiitter or two might turn the corner. They might find consistency in these next 30 games and go 20-10. It just might happen in the near future.
On the other hand, if they signed two more bats then this situation wouldnt be so precarious. Two more bsts would have been feasible with a lower middling salary. I am sick of waiting on the kids or on a cheapskate owner who simply doesn't want to pay until some magical day arises. I want see the Tigers onvolved in meaningful September baseball pushing for a playoff berth.
So there. My emotions are in a knot.
Go Tigers.....whuptee fn dooo.
I remember in 06 Leyland said that he didn't know why the tigers even took the field. And some more kind words. They left for the Oakland road trip the next day. And lit it up until they got handled in the world series.
Let these kids come up and prove themselves. The pitching is there. If they stay in the race, get Verlander and bring him home.
The answer is simple. I want them to win. Rico is close to the wait time. I'd give them 3 to 4 years. Waiting past that requires some turnover.
Put the peddle to metal and do not let up until you have ring. Screw patience. Gibby knows that because that is the way he played and why the Dodgers won. Play back his comments in spring training of that year.
Well said. The time is now.
The Detroit Tigers are baseball royalty and as a 76 year, died in the wool, fan, my patience will never run out and when we lose
it always hurts but when we win it's pure joy and I will continue to believe in the greatest baseball team on the planet!
LOL..the Tigers are not in any way, shape or form, "baseball royalty." Sure, they are an original charter team of the American League, but royalty? Very, very few teams in MLB can lay claim that title. Despite my utter hatred for the Yankees, they are one. St. Louis is probably the other. If not for the recent success, maybe Boston. Thats probably it. Thats the list. The Tigers are relevant once or twice a decade or two and thats it. Strong following when they are good, forgotten when they aren't. Frustrating as a fan. My hope, as a Tiger fan, is that at some point, the family sells the team to a private equity firm who is actually sees the value of the team and its fanbase instead of a auxiliary entertainment venue. Until that happens, its unfortunately going to be the same ol same ol.
Because the castle appears not to be grand from the outside does not mean that royalty does not reside on the inside
Or, never judge a book by it's cover
@@danielm9940 Double edge sword. Sometimes the glossy cover with the all the graphics is there to sell crap books. I spent a bunch of money as a kid buying Atari video games based on the cover. The games were usually crap. I mean my goodness I wish the Tigers would care enough to spend something. Maybe the kids they have in the system will turn out to be something, maybe they won't. Not expecting Dodgers or Yankee money but at least try to suplement the kids with something. Big, huge difference between where they are and the median MLB payroll. I don't want to turn 70 before my Tigers get a breath of playoff baseball. Thus my original statement stands. Tigers are no where near baseball royalty. Never have been. Wish they were though.
Always royalty for me for a million reasons and Troy I don't want you to be Close to 70 before we finally make the....... !!
Gibby will be fine if we don’t make the playoffs again till 2084!!!
Maybe Torkelson's swing will be ok by then too. 😂
He’ll be long dead by then Lmao
Yeah cause he’ll have been dead for over half a century by then lmao
@@soarinskies1105 Good deductive reasoning on that one Mr. Wizard. 😂
JV’s contract expires at the end of the season and Houston are sellers go get him. You won’t have to give up much to get him and you move Maeda to long relief or DFA him. The rotation of Skubal, Flaherty, Verlander, Olson and Mize I’d put that up against ANY rotation in all of baseball.
The Bally rumor story per a Comcast (rumor mill) rep is that Amazon is negotiating....this is second time I've heard Amazon wanting to have a better sport showcase on Prime.
When was the last time the Tigers drafted and developed a good position player a all star player ???
Curtis Granderson and Alex Avila.
Castellanos
We have the majority😂😂
My answer is simply, I am sick of seeing this team be mediocre or bad year after year. I completely understand we HAD to go through a rebuild and have been patient with that. However this team was 2nd in the AL Central in 2022. This team had winning records against every division rival in 2023 and if MLB didn't change the schedule where you face every single team, Detroit wins enough of those extra division games to maybe take the division. But in 2024 the Detroit Tigers were selected by so many people to be the #2 team in this division and to make the playoffs on at least a wild card. Heck some people even had them going 1st over Minnesota. While no one could have truly predicted KC and Cleveland to be as good as they are, Detroit has expectations now because this should be a team that plays October baseball. This team should be winning at least 3 games out of every 5 with Skubal, Olson and Flaherty but they aren't. The team selling would send a huge Shockwave through this fanbase that Scott Harris will not want. We don't want or care about potential prospects right now. Get wins
Finished with bad knees
I opted out of being a Tiger fan after 2016. Getting rid of all your favorite players and "rebuilding" is not what any lifelong fan wants to hear and see happen. Apparently they are still rebuilding and trying to do it on the cheap. I knew it would all go south after Mike Illitch was gone. What a shame. I wish these team "owners" would realize that the team is not theirs. It belongs to the fans and the Detroit area. They are just the stewards. But of course to them it's big business.
Havent been able to listen to pat in a while. What is his opinion on this topic?
I want to win,June 5,flaherty must stay,let's meet the gold standard,why can't we?,our pitching is much better, let's get the bats and rbis going let's be Thomas the train, I think we can be champions
The royals lost a ton last year , look at them this year , I’m not a fan of tigers GM
Generic GM, generic manager, generic players managed by charts and graphs. Not fun anymore.
1984 !! Lol come on Gibby tell the truth !!!
He did tell the truth
My patience is gone. The Tigers haven’t had a winning season since Chris took over the team and haven’t won the division in 10 years. Rebuilds shouldn’t take a decade. Until our owner proves he is committed to winning and puts his wallet where his mouth is this team will go nowhere.
Gibby was 100% correct.
Never ever will you be close to Yankees
This is the difference between someone who's actually played the game, and those who haven't. Gibby knows what a WS team looks like. He knows the feeling behind a team that's a true contender and one that's not! Right now, here are the teams that are true contenders in the AL: Yankees, Orioles, Rays, Guardians, Rangers, Astros, and Mariners. Why? Because they've all been playoff teams the past 3 to 5 years or right there contending for a WC spot. Pretenders are the following: Jays, Royals, Twins, Tigers, and Angels. Red Sox, White Sox, and A's are all rebuilding. With that said, there's no way a person as clued into the game and has been for 40-plus years like Gibby looks at the Tigers and lies to himself to say, Yeah we should buy at the deadline because we can win a WS!!! Btw, there's no point in getting to the playoffs if you can't win a WS. What good would getting to the playoffs and getting swept out of the 1st round do??? Answer: Nothing. We'd still lose Flaherty to FA for nothing. Skubal would be one year closer to leaving when he's a FA. And we'd still lack any potent offensive weapons with zero chance getting any in the draft without a top 10 selection. Bottom line: We don't have a contender! Thus, we need more talent in our organization till we have enough to become contenders. Anyone who's played the game can obviously see that!
That was 40 years ago. Stop being a homer. Maybe if Fans put a little heat on ownership, they'll actually try to win and spend money.
Spend 25-30 mil on two "B" grade hitters and the Tigers are probably in the playoffs and that's not exactly going all in and screwing your future. Btw 25 mil spent is still right at or below league average for the payroll. Most nights all they gotta do is score 3 or 4 runs because the pitching staff is dominant but they can't really score a measly 3 runs consistently...
Agree 100%
@@mynameismyname.967 The blueprint is still the same even 40 years later.
@trevorthompson330 There pitching is good enough to win division if they add 3 professional batters by deadline. Upgrade 1st base. 3rd base and catcher there at least watchable and competitive. Tigers can't even draft and develop hitters that well and their hitting coaches all suck lol but keep being patient with the Billionaires 😂
just quit going to the games. That will get some attention
Nobody under 40 gives a fuck let alone knows who Kirk Gibson is
Look at all the players that were traded that got us nothing but got their rings elsewhere jack Morris got most get s rings from twins and blue Jays those teams were better the 1984;team was a managed success and lance parrish only hit what 30 home runs Gibson 30?? So what tigers are outright mediocre team they're overated
AJ Hinch needs to go !!!
Gibby’s takes are usually just bad and he is annoying on TV always trying to start arguing with Benetti, just can’t get along with the guy
He was 100% accurate
I thought Gibson was an alpha male. I guess after he retired as a player and manager, he became a beta male. 😂
I dont consider Kirk Gibson as a legend you dont hear him in the sports news hardly . Lol never played in college bowl game . Two world seriess ah hes great player bur not that great
Dumb take, might want to set this one out.
He was never an elite player. A good teammate and sparkplug for his teams, yes. A legend? Depends on who you ask. For me, not a legend.
He finished as a dodger folks he don't give a shit about Detroit anymore
Was in Detroit for 9 years, LA for 3 years, KC for 1 year, Pittsburgh for 1 year and back in Detroit from 1993 - 1995 so, no he didn’t finish as a Dodger.
He played at Michigan St and was from Michigan He cared You can't play for one team your whole career
Even a dumber take than the other one, really hard to do lol
@@Det_Fan Erica is having bad takes all day.
@@trevorthompson330 lmao…no doubt.