What Is Camber? A Simple Explanation
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- What is camber? How does camber work? The first of four short videos explaining tire alignment. Camber is explained in this video, and how it is used on cars. Be sure to watch the upcoming videos as well on steering axis, toe, and caster.
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Watching this in 2019. OMG, he's so YOUNG in this video.
Watching this in 2024 is even wilder
@@Claustrophobic_Clown06 yep
can I drive underwater if I have a 90 degree camber
You might drown.
In Mario Kart you can 😂😂😂
with paddle tires, and a sealed cabin... YES!
I think lotus might have an answer?
In GTA san Andreas you could
Love these videos as they help consolidate theories I have a rough understanding of. Great work. On the topic of camber there is a saying "Positive effects of negative camber" as negative camber is a very good thing for racing cars. I run between -1 to -2 degrees camber in my race car as (like previous comments have noted) when you turn, the car rolls towards the outside wheel and makes it's dynamic alignment closer to 0 maximizing the size of the contact patch. Keep up the great work
It feels like yesterday man. You've come a long way: keep up the good work.
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They're quite ridiculous haha. One of my videos I believe I say "decelerating" and the captions read "Asparagus spinach."
People don't realize but this is actually a cooking channel.
Yeah check out my "push-rod" suspension video, I mention it and cover it briefly.
@hazyazn Well, it is for most examples, like the cars you buy stock.
Haiiiiii..... I am a technician at Toyota... I passed the diploma last year.. You are my best teacher... Thank you
I actually understood this. Thanks a bunch, man. I'm new to your videos but you explain perfectly without the b.s.
What percent/degree is typical?
wow, succinct and insightful! i saw the word "camber" in a car thing that with no context, wondered what it was, saw your video, and now fully understand-- all in about the span of 3 mins. thanks, bro!~
@Hondaminican Nope. They don't really explain how the process works haha. Idk when they'll be announcing anything or how the candidate is chosen. We'll see!
Definitely something I should make a video on.
you have come a long way bro ive been watching your videos since day one keep it up
Thank you Jose!
I don't remember haha, I know its one of the earlier ones (filmed with the old camera) but I don't know which, and that doesn't narrow it down too much unfortunately.
... the main reason for that is the shape of the contact patch, not exactly "wider stance" as you mentioned. A car cornering will lean towards the outside, which will cause the contact patch to change shape, and load the outside of the tyre more. Negative camber balances this, maximizing the contact patch during cornering. There's also camber thrust, which is hard to explain in this small space, but you can look it up on the Wiki. The camber works basically in the same way as leaning a...
I believe there could be ways of altering it. Of course, changing out the control arms would be the most obvious.
What did they all say?
The body may lean a little bit, but the suspension will allow the tire to keep the camber nearly the same.
yes, camber kits are replacement upper control arms with adjustable ball joints that can slide for adjustment, at least on a double wishbone honda.
Best video on camber explained the easy way. Thanks!
Just what I needed. Thank you for the succinct explanation.
also an advantage to positive camber is that when a heavy load is applied then the camber will become level or slightly negative e.g on trucks, pickups? but these vids are all great really helping with my assignments
if you have McPherson suspension or something that pivots you don't need a fixed camber angle,the car already gains camber angle as it tilts, with extra camber you lose contact the more the car tilts. fixed negative camber is for cars that camber steer, camber steer is when the inside wheel gets positive camber and the outside wheel gets negative camber going into a turn, like how you lean a motorcycle into a turn,, if it had two front wheels, with this setup adding "slight" negative camber ( not too much because the outside wheel is already getting negative camber) will help the inside wheel (wich is getting positive camber) be more flat on the ground in a turn, negative rear camber will help the car slide because the tires arnt flat on the ground so go for it, a lot of people are very misinformed about the camber thing, but it dose look cool on lowriders
Bullshit.
I run -2.5 degrees negative camber the advantages are great. Better turn in, more grip, and car tracks dead straight always
Depends how car is set up
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Lmao did you forget to login to throw away account before posting this comment?
God, it's been 10 years. Cheers!
thanks so much for these videos. I'm just getting into this stuff and these simple explanations help so much
I understand it's a joke. But you still didn't tell me what they all say. Nascar uses positive camber on the left tire and negative camber on the right tire to compensate for the banked left turn. If they use both positive and negative, would their not be an application out there that would use neutral? What's wrong with neutral? Slight negative may be beneficial in a high speed turn, but it's still going to be very close to neutral.
I do need to get into weight dynamics eventually.
Thank you!
Modern onroad cars use cambers like -1 degree. For onroad racing its only negative camber and for offroad racing it depends but can be positive. Onroad racers are gaining more lateral traction with negative cambers and normal cars are mostly tuned for optimal wearing.
We need to understand that all alignment adjustments are made in a static state...with the hopes that they will act well in the dynamic...camber adjustment is done to insure maximum lateral acceleration in a competition setting...on street cars it can effect wear and stability...oval track cars use positive on the inside, and negative on the outside...as far as actual angle settings go, it depends on what the tire asks for...we determine this with a pyrometer...or an I R thermometer.
Thanks for explaining. now i can change it better to help me with my pc racing games!! :)
There was one group of guys obsessing over camber, tried adding some and didn't like it at all (yeah, negative camber made the car way too stable, so every time I'd try to power down for a drift, the car would stabilize and straighten up)
That's why I prefer no camber... less control but more skill required to master (and more satisfying when you nail it).
Another shot from the past... Quick question, as I'm struggling to find answers... I keep seeing setups for track day use for FR cars and they have -2.5 Deg Camber front and -2 Deg Camber rear with about 4 Deg caster. Why they don't max out caster and use less Camber on the front so, when they brake for the corner to have better tyre patch for braking? To my understanding caster gives a dynamic Camber as you steer...
... motorcycle, increasing the centripetal force. Naturally the inside tyre can do the opposite (depending on a combination of caster, camber and toe) and negate the effect, but a well setup suspension can make great use of camber thrust.
A positive camber is hellish for cornering, since it transfers even more weight to the outside of the tyre, ruining the contact patch shape and essentially doing everything to prevent turning. =)
Neutral camber increases friction of the tire while turning the steering wheel. Therefore old cars had positive camber (see other comment). Therefore, on the front axle the camber is slightly higher than on the rear axle.
I have a video on anti-roll bars, just search as you said you would. :)
Brother !!!
U just earned yourself a SUBSCRIBER!!!!!!!
Can you do a video on scrub radius and how it effects different layout cars?
Great job explaining bro
05 Honda CRV rear tires seem to have negative cambers so that’s a good thing? It’s my wife’s vehicle and my father in law noticed that the tires went slightly in from the top. My cousin who knows a lot about honda and acura says that most suv for those models have negative cambers and that you’d mostly have to worry about the bottom tire being in over the top tire being in which is the norm. So this means that the inner treading gets most of the wear. When do i know to make the changes, should they be made solely based on it being negative. It seems to drive fine on our end just all new to me, i don’t want to leave my wife and kids stranded
Finally someone that answers a my question !
can you please explain about bump steer?
Bumpsteer is not required property we have to avoid it as much as possible and we can reduce it with the help of proper FRONT VIEW SWING ARM GEOMETRY
Great explaination, simple and informative! Keep up the great job!
Great series on suspension. I learned a lot. Thank you.
Very well presented. Very articulate! Thanks for sharing!
Nice and simple, thanks.
Search my channel, I have a video on it.
On my Mercedes C-class I have different specs for the front and rear tires. The Front ones have positive camber and the rear ones are with slight negative, that increases with the added weight in the trunk. Different manufacturers prefer different setting, depending on the application of the vehicle. BMW for example uses negative camber on their M series (Sports Application). Commonly an old utility truck will be with no Camber at all.
Lately I've been seeing often vehicles that have no front Camber/Caster adjustment bolts, but rear ones. I guess that comes with independent suspension.
Svet Stefanov MB uses a double wishbone suspension that has a negative camber.
My GL550 has negative camber on the rear as well.
2008 chevy trailblazer has negative camber on drivers front only and it negative quit a bit can barely put finger between rim and casting and help would be great idk what happened to it.
Quick question: any issues/impact if i set -1.5 camber to ONLY my front wheels using caliber bolts? Primary aim is to tuck in about 8mm of the 20mm pole to ensure i clear fenders on max suspension travel. Rear would remain stock on my BRZ.
Wow what an incredible to the point video. Thanks man
great videos, very informative, short and to the point. thank you
As far as I know, most cars have a negative camber since tires need approx. 1 - 1.5°. One of the most popular cars with positive camber is the original beetle.
So than what's with all the JDMs out there at like 45%?
Nick Belanger Dumb!
Yeah it's that hell flush life rice crap.....a true JDM enthusiast will not do that, and maybe put 5% negative camber for the performance....ricers are stupid. I love my japanese cars but the amount of stupid camber people put in their cars is insane
Engineering Explained how about if just my left rear tire is cambered?can this be a possible bad lower control arm?the tire keeps wearing out quickly.any info would be great.
Because race car... Haha no seriously any more than 10/15 percent at the most possibly with full lol out is just stupid, makes the car look like the wheels weren't bolted on and the car is sitting on its arse. Waste of a good car! Just hurts me to see an skyline or Silvia on muscle car/tuner wheels about an inch of the ground with no clearance... Absolute waste
+David Henriquez Don't know if you've fixed it in these nine months, but if the alignment is visibly different from the other three corners, you likely have a pretty bad problem. The first step is to just get the car in the air and check to see what may be broken, bent, or worn. Especially pay attention to the rubber or polyurethane bushings, because any unusual play in these will make a vehicle alignment wasteful. After you've verified that none of the bushings are worn and everything else is tight, then go get the car aligned.
I don't know about today, but in the 1960's and 70's you often saw a lot of negative camber on rear engined cars. Especially racing. I recall one F Jr car at Laguna Seca. It had 15-20 degrees or more of camber. As he came off the last turn, onto the straight, he would be spinning his little tires and the axle/tires would go from / \ to | | all the while the car's rear end would be rising higher and higher as those 6:50x15 tires spun away.. this took some time and no, he didn't win, he was in the back.
Some people go overboard with their negative camber and that's pretty funny to see. :P
Would there be a situation where you want neutral camber? so not negative or positive camber?
will the camber depend on the suspension outboard point if inboard point is fixed ???
Hooray!
You forgot an important reason why the use negative camber in racing applications. Upon cornering, it also gives a bigger contact patch.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't the usual reasons for positive and negative cambera bit different? AFAIK, the main benefit of positive camber is that it makes steering lighter, which was important when power steering hadn't been invented yet. Other than that it is frankly dangerous for road holding, and none of the road cars I've been involved with had it, all were neutral or slightly negative. Then on to negative camber, I've always been under the impression that... (continued)
Good explanation
I have a 1986 Volvo 740 gle and I'm almost positive the ball joints are way past their expiration. the outer rim of both front tires is almost bald but the the rest is just fine. could the ball joints be my solution to the positive camber?
Yes I agree "anti-roll bars explained". As the other fellow suggested. I don't even vaguely understand. That is, if you have not all ready gotten to this yet! I shall look on you site.(Channel)
Thanks a lot for the information. Keep the Momentum.
question- if the camber is positive , won't the angle tend to increase while cornering?? what exactly is going to happen in such a situation/?
I do not, probably will be a while.
I discovered "camber" in one of my crossword puzzles. Thanks!
Hi there mate, is it possible to do a video about Anti Roll bars.... Been wondering how that works, I do vaguely but I want you to explain it to know how it works properly , if you can though. Thanks!
Can you do a video explaining semi independent rear suspension? Thanks!
Can you make a video explaining the details of scrub radius and how it affects handling?
They say that negative scrub radius causes toe in on acceleration and braking which I think is considered more stable and vise-versa.
How does that work? How is it possible that applying the brake can cause the tire to toe in? I would expect the opposite to always be true.
how banking of roads affect wheel alignment?
It can affect driver comfort. Banking of road can be solve by proper anti dive conditions.
Hi, with cars such as the new ford gt when the car raises and lowers how does it adjust camber and toe for maximum performance.
About weight transfer and how the weight of a front heavy car causes understeer
great, simple. well explained
Hi there, here is a difficult question what is the kind of the rubber material used in making the bushes that are made for the suspension mounting? What kind of material is is used and its characteristics with respect to temperature? I tried my luck with google but couldn't find the answer i was looking for. Thanks, Cheers.
DEEPAK AKKI late reply, but if you are talking about bushings, which is what I assume you meant, then many of the aftermarket bushings are made of polyurethane, and a lot of bearings are made of babbit
we are designing a mini BAJA vehicle and the max speed will be 40mph. what do u suggest? positive camber angle or negative camber angle?
Can you plz mention the views you are talking about when you say...car is moving around a corner...the view in which your looking the car
Eg Rear view or front view
While drawing diagram
you did not say how we have to vary for front and rear wheels? should we use camber for rear wheels or not?(offroad)
Thanks ^-^ this is exaclty what i was wondring!!
I'm I underatand. doing a off road racing rc. I will want -1ish camber on the rear. or dose this also go for the frount of a car.
your videos are super helpful. thanks heaps
Is Camber related to Ackermann?. I mean ackerman is The turning radius, or toe-out on turns, is the amount the front wheels toe out when turning. So that if we combine ackermann condition with camber, the turning radius would be great.
can you explain to me why having a wheel almost completely vertical to the car is cool or how it attributes to performance or racing?
Its for show, it actually makes it more difficult to turn, depending on the degree on the camber.
XD I'm talkin like these cars I seen had 0 suspension travel and the wheels were almost completely vertical to the car oh yeah and the turning radius of a wal-mart my car has negative camber but looking at it you could not tell unless you look at the tire wear it handles like its on rails and has almost no body roll
Hey pony rider
Aragon Evershade hai ^_^
Do you have kik?
thanks for explaining bro , god bless u 🙏🏽
Would camber be adjustable on a double wishbone suspension w/ upper and lower control arms?
You should do a video on camber kit installation!
Never understood it.but thanks for the video.what do the old timers from the 1950’s think about this modification.building hot rods and souped up cars.
This is a great channel, keep it up!
well done. thnx. you must get 'you look like george harrison/dhani harrison' a lot i am thinking? thnx again for the great explanation.
OK but what are the pros and cons of having positive and/or
negative camber in racing?
Negative: better stability and turning, but more wear. Positive: less wear and rolling resistance, less stability and turning capability.
In racing you don't care about wear, you prefer more cornering speed and more stability. F1 cars front camber is limited to -3.9 degrees, but without limitation they would use a bit more, for sure. Also, positive camber is used in cars with a high range of load variation becouse the wheels tend to bend straight, in racing you don't have load variation.
Here are some camber setups in some racing disciplines:
Grip, time attack: Slightly negative camber, there will always be more up front than at the back. It's so small you need good eyes to really see it.
Drift: For grassroots drift cars, negative up front, none in the back. For pro drift cars (FD, D1GP, etc.), negative up front, a little positive in the rear. (some of them squat hard when they drift)
NASCAR: Negative on the right wheels, positive on the left, except when they're not racing on speedways.
Hi! Awsome videos. Do you have any source on the fact that most production cars have a positive angle?
is it normal to be able to see negative camber on my mini. I had a car follow me and tell me he noticed by just driving behind me that my rear tires are slanted
Thanks for the video bro
man, how to modificate / adjust chamber become extremely maximum space?
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Great vids. 👍🏻 can you do some on torsional flexibility cause and effect?
Thanks for such helpful videos! :)
nice job man thx