This feels so crazy! I used to watch every idea channel video years and years ago. Randomly stumbled across this video and it's like running into an old friend
Very informative info. sessions, and I watch them several times to memorize the information. Mike is warm and personable and the script written for him is clever and witty. The Thought Bubble designers are hilarious. Hope Crash Course makes a series of the History of Fashions.
Its Wikipedia article starts, "Inspired by the farces of the ancient Roman playwright Plautus (251-183 BC), specifically Pseudolus, Miles Gloriosus, and Mostellaria, the musical ..."
But of _course_ ... Forum is nothing but a Plautine _contaminatio_ thrown together by Gelbart and Shevelove, which gets even funnier when you realize that the plays they used were themselves _contaminati_ .
Roman memes, huh? On the walls of Pompeii, the graffiti they scratched was preserved due to the eruption. A lot of it. Enough that I think it must have been some kind of fad or trend. It's all of a similar caliber and raunchy as hell. My favorites? "To the one defecating here. Beware of the curse. If you look down on this curse, may you have an angry Jupiter for an enemy." "Theophilus, don’t perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog"
At 0:37 you misspelled "FABULAE PALLIATAE." A "Fabula" is a play, and since it is a "First Declension" feminine noun in Latin, its Nominative Plural is "Fabulae." "Palliatae" is the adjective or participle, so its ending should match the plural noun and is correct here. BTW a "pallium" is a Greek cloak, so I guess the closest translation to "Palliatae" is "be-Greek-cloaked." These are literally "Plays Wearing Greek Cloaks" and it seems like there may be some debate on whether the actors literally wore Greek cloaks, or if they just get their name from the fact that Roman playwrights were re-adapting Greek plays and ideas.
@BLAKE BENNETT OKAY! THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA! YOU'RE RIGHT: THE WHOLE POINT OF USING A VISUAL MEDIUM LIKE VIDEO IS TO STIMULATE THE EYES. EVEN IN THE COMMENTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. AND REALLY, IS THERE ANY METHOD OF EYE-NUMBING MORE INSIDIOUS THAN OVER-WRITING AND UNDER-DELIVERING? WHETHER AS A JOKE, AND INFORMATIVE BLURB, OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, I DID WORSE THAN OVER-WRITE--I OVER-BORED!!! I WILL TAKE HEED OF YOUR LESSON, AND WILL ECHO THE NAME OF "BLAKE BENNETT" WHENEVER PEOPLE ASK ME TO NAME THE MOMENT AT WHICH MY WRITING STYLE CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. - D. M. COLLINS P.S. I'M NOT AS HAPPY WITH YOUR "ALL-CAPS" APPROACH. I KIND OF THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT FELL OUT OF A CARNIVAL BARKER'S VAGINA!
He went to grammar school (which at the time would usually teach you Greek and Latin and educate quite widely in Roman literature, history, rhetoric, etc)
It actually means "to eat from someone else's table" , so the way it was used is just as we'd think today. So by definition, always showing up at parties while never throwing your own makes one a "parasite".
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Can I ask is it possible for Crash Course to make videos on Accounting & Finance?? I'm starting the course in university from Sep 2018 and it would be lovely to have a bit of idea beforehand!
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Valdagast plagiarized seems harsh too, as that implies that the Romans were infringed upon, which means that 1) Romans had total ownership of these concepts (a dubious claim, but not totally impossible. One could claim that the exact order of the events is unique to the play in question) and 2) reading Shakespeare’s obviates the need to read the ancient Roman plays. (This is where I think infringement fails in this case) I’d say that if we are pedantically debating copyright and stuff about premodern writings, I’d say this is fair use lol
How is he going to present the medieval (European) morality play. Hilde' of Bingen is a great composer of plain - chant, mystic iconographic artist, writer on medieval medicine, and morality play writer. I think most vlogbrothers fans lean left. How can someone present the great morality play Ordo Virtutum as great and captivating?
*It might be a bit of a stretch to point out Terence as a "person a colour"* unless you're using that term very broadly... as *during the Roman Empire as well as in Italy today, North Africans are* indeed called "foreigners", but *hardly seen as if they were of "another race".* After all, North Africans are simply Middle Eastern people from Africa rather than black people. I've got an *art history professor who's a Tunisian from Italy...* and while the locals could always tell she was "foreign", it wasn't like they labelled her as "alien" in any way, but rather an *"exotic southerner."*
The Roman world (and frankly, most of the rest, as well) didn't share the modern American obsession with "race". Terence came from North Africa - therefore, _"possibly_ of colour" is the right way to refer to him. We don't know for sure, and what we know of him, doesn't really rule out anything.
North Africans are *today* related to Middle Easterners. At the time, they were as likely to be Berbers as to have Phoenecian ancestry. Look at the Tuareg, who are both Berber and more often clearly Black African.
varana312 the ancient world didn’t really have a concept of race, but I would argue based on how foreigners are treated in Europe today, and the fact that racism is an ideology that comes from Europe to justify colonialism, that racism isn’t a uniquely American issue. I think what you mean is that America just has a higher level of diversity than most European states, and that diversity has a uniquely awful history that we (speaking as an American) generally don’t know how to deal with. Most people fall between “lol that was 400 years ago” (insert Louis CK joke about slavery getting 100 years further in the past every decade) and “we must exterminate all white people in the southeastern US to build a black only state as repayment or slave labor” As you can see these are both somewhat untenable positions, and makes racial politics in the US really hard because there isn’t an easy solution that rights historical wrongs and is fair to modern people. I envy Europe in a way because your issues (how do we assimilate all these foreign people who just want a better life) is a much easier thing to deal with and works out in the end. (Ask the US, we took all your poor people and refugees in the 1800’s and used the surplus labor to become a super power)
Oh, I would certainly agree with most of that. There _is_ racism in Europe; a few decades ago, we took it to the extreme, and it's been re-surfacing again in recent years. I'd like to clarify a bit what I meant, though: In Europe, while "race" is certainly noticed, _ethnicity_ is often more important. It works very similarly but is not exclusively tied to "race" (with its most significant aspect, skin colour). So in the context of this thread, I think it is a very "American" expectation that if Terence was black (or noticeably darker-skinned than the average Roman), that must have been reflected in the sources because "race" is such an important category in the American debate. The Romans called him _Afer_ ("African", Africa being basically modern-day Tunisia), and we cannot infer much from the fact that no-one seemed to bother to record his "race" beyond that. So what I was trying to express it that this is more a difference in perspective, in how we look at people and what we expect to be important enough to mention.
nobody in the ancient world used ill omen words they used euphemism the etymology of afer is cave or dust people but we shouldnt make the mistake of taking it literal the figurative meaning in etymology of dust is meaning merely mortal men there was no word for death till 15th century it was a euphemism
This feels so crazy! I used to watch every idea channel video years and years ago. Randomly stumbled across this video and it's like running into an old friend
I put the video on 2X for the ultimate crash course
Great job! Congratulations. With your permission, I’m going to show it to my Latin students when we speak about the Roman theater.
Carla Moreira Did you show it to them?
Very informative info. sessions, and I watch them several times to memorize the information. Mike is warm and personable and the script written for him is clever and witty.
The Thought Bubble designers are hilarious. Hope Crash Course makes a series of the History of Fashions.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum, anyone?
Its Wikipedia article starts, "Inspired by the farces of the ancient Roman playwright Plautus (251-183 BC), specifically Pseudolus, Miles Gloriosus, and Mostellaria, the musical ..."
Just about the comment. I looked at the names and was like : wait a minute, I remember these!
But of _course_ ... Forum is nothing but a Plautine _contaminatio_ thrown together by Gelbart and Shevelove, which gets even funnier when you realize that the plays they used were themselves _contaminati_ .
I want to learn some Roman memes
Rough Roman Memes on facebook is pretty good.
Or the Facebook group SPQR Posting
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Roman memes, huh?
On the walls of Pompeii, the graffiti they scratched was preserved due to the eruption.
A lot of it. Enough that I think it must have been some kind of fad or trend.
It's all of a similar caliber and raunchy as hell. My favorites?
"To the one defecating here. Beware of the curse.
If you look down on this curse, may you have an angry Jupiter for an enemy."
"Theophilus, don’t perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog"
At 0:37 you misspelled "FABULAE PALLIATAE." A "Fabula" is a play, and since it is a "First Declension" feminine noun in Latin, its Nominative Plural is "Fabulae." "Palliatae" is the adjective or participle, so its ending should match the plural noun and is correct here. BTW a "pallium" is a Greek cloak, so I guess the closest translation to "Palliatae" is "be-Greek-cloaked." These are literally "Plays Wearing Greek Cloaks" and it seems like there may be some debate on whether the actors literally wore Greek cloaks, or if they just get their name from the fact that Roman playwrights were re-adapting Greek plays and ideas.
@BLAKE BENNETT OKAY! THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA! YOU'RE RIGHT: THE WHOLE POINT OF USING A VISUAL MEDIUM LIKE VIDEO IS TO STIMULATE THE EYES. EVEN IN THE COMMENTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. AND REALLY, IS THERE ANY METHOD OF EYE-NUMBING MORE INSIDIOUS THAN OVER-WRITING AND UNDER-DELIVERING? WHETHER AS A JOKE, AND INFORMATIVE BLURB, OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, I DID WORSE THAN OVER-WRITE--I OVER-BORED!!! I WILL TAKE HEED OF YOUR LESSON, AND WILL ECHO THE NAME OF "BLAKE BENNETT" WHENEVER PEOPLE ASK ME TO NAME THE MOMENT AT WHICH MY WRITING STYLE CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. - D. M. COLLINS P.S. I'M NOT AS HAPPY WITH YOUR "ALL-CAPS" APPROACH. I KIND OF THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT FELL OUT OF A CARNIVAL BARKER'S VAGINA!
Latin 101: "V" us pronounced as a "W". Learned that the first day.
Ave. True to Caesar.
What year of Latin are you in?
It depends on when a Latin text comes from.
TheTopazRobot You're right, but in this video they are pronounced as a "w"
It's actually an "u", but the u as we know it was created in the middle ages.
As a student of Latin, I love this video!
Hey Mike, when you get to Shakespeare, are you going to tell us how he had access to all these Roman plays?
He went to grammar school (which at the time would usually teach you Greek and Latin and educate quite widely in Roman literature, history, rhetoric, etc)
Is it me or was Roman Comedy a precursor to Commedia dell' Arte?
Parasite is just the Greek form of companion. Both literally mean one who eats together.
It actually means "to eat from someone else's table" , so the way it was used is just as we'd think today.
So by definition, always showing up at parties while never throwing your own makes one a "parasite".
Terence & Plautus were great comedians. Am I the only one getting a South Park reference ?
Naw, I picked that up right away too.
I think you might be stretching just a little bit...
b myers that was the first thing I thought of! 🤣😂
I had no idea that David Foster Wallace got his novel's title from the Yorick scene in Hamlet. I guess that makes sense, considering. . .
Watched CSmith
Don't forget to look up stoicism in crash course philosophy!
May you do zone of thèse choices of a new crash course series:
Internet Technology (IT)
Marketing
Banking
Just something thats related to the new chapter of our story much known as Univesity or College
Wait. There's a CrashCourse theater?
Where have you been for the past month?
yes, there is
Something for Everyone
Can I ask is it possible for Crash Course to make videos on Accounting & Finance?? I'm starting the course in university from Sep 2018 and it would be lovely to have a bit of idea beforehand!
does anyone know of any modern productions that are faithful to roman theater specifically? i cant find any.
Yay sanskrit literature!!!
I bet you'll talk about Kalidasa and Bhasa
I miss Thoth.
DUBIOUS PARENTAGE
Reviewed Work: Freemasonry and Communism by Arthur A. Weiss
Review by: James J. Meany
Philippine Studies
Vol. 3, No. 3 (SEPTEMBER, 1955), pp. 326-330
"Borrowed" sounds so much better than "stole".
Valdagast stole implies an intention to do harm and that you are unable to use the stolen thing.
Like if your TV is stolen, you can’t use your TV.
Borrowed implies that Shakespeare can give the play back when he's done with it. 'Plagiarized"? :o)
Valdagast plagiarized seems harsh too, as that implies that the Romans were infringed upon, which means that 1) Romans had total ownership of these concepts (a dubious claim, but not totally impossible. One could claim that the exact order of the events is unique to the play in question) and 2) reading Shakespeare’s obviates the need to read the ancient Roman plays. (This is where I think infringement fails in this case)
I’d say that if we are pedantically debating copyright and stuff about premodern writings, I’d say this is fair use lol
Oh, it's definitely fair use.
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Woah i did not know that!
I really want to read these plays. Do if there if a pdf version online you guys could put it in the description box?
Educational!
How is he going to present the medieval (European) morality play. Hilde' of Bingen is a great composer of plain - chant, mystic iconographic artist, writer on medieval medicine, and morality play writer. I think most vlogbrothers fans lean left. How can someone present the great morality play Ordo Virtutum as great and captivating?
"Tip top alterations that are tricky to translate."
Nice
*It might be a bit of a stretch to point out Terence as a "person a colour"* unless you're using that term very broadly...
as *during the Roman Empire as well as in Italy today, North Africans are* indeed called "foreigners", but *hardly seen as if they were of "another race".* After all, North Africans are simply Middle Eastern people from Africa rather than black people.
I've got an *art history professor who's a Tunisian from Italy...* and while the locals could always tell she was "foreign", it wasn't like they labelled her as "alien" in any way, but rather an *"exotic southerner."*
The Roman world (and frankly, most of the rest, as well) didn't share the modern American obsession with "race". Terence came from North Africa - therefore, _"possibly_ of colour" is the right way to refer to him. We don't know for sure, and what we know of him, doesn't really rule out anything.
North Africans are *today* related to Middle Easterners. At the time, they were as likely to be Berbers as to have Phoenecian ancestry. Look at the Tuareg, who are both Berber and more often clearly Black African.
varana312 the ancient world didn’t really have a concept of race, but I would argue based on how foreigners are treated in Europe today, and the fact that racism is an ideology that comes from Europe to justify colonialism, that racism isn’t a uniquely American issue.
I think what you mean is that America just has a higher level of diversity than most European states, and that diversity has a uniquely awful history that we (speaking as an American) generally don’t know how to deal with. Most people fall between “lol that was 400 years ago” (insert Louis CK joke about slavery getting 100 years further in the past every decade) and “we must exterminate all white people in the southeastern US to build a black only state as repayment or slave labor”
As you can see these are both somewhat untenable positions, and makes racial politics in the US really hard because there isn’t an easy solution that rights historical wrongs and is fair to modern people.
I envy Europe in a way because your issues (how do we assimilate all these foreign people who just want a better life) is a much easier thing to deal with and works out in the end. (Ask the US, we took all your poor people and refugees in the 1800’s and used the surplus labor to become a super power)
Oh, I would certainly agree with most of that. There _is_ racism in Europe; a few decades ago, we took it to the extreme, and it's been re-surfacing again in recent years.
I'd like to clarify a bit what I meant, though: In Europe, while "race" is certainly noticed, _ethnicity_ is often more important. It works very similarly but is not exclusively tied to "race" (with its most significant aspect, skin colour).
So in the context of this thread, I think it is a very "American" expectation that if Terence was black (or noticeably darker-skinned than the average Roman), that must have been reflected in the sources because "race" is such an important category in the American debate. The Romans called him _Afer_ ("African", Africa being basically modern-day Tunisia), and we cannot infer much from the fact that no-one seemed to bother to record his "race" beyond that.
So what I was trying to express it that this is more a difference in perspective, in how we look at people and what we expect to be important enough to mention.
nobody in the ancient world used ill omen words they used euphemism the etymology of afer is cave or dust people but we shouldnt make the mistake of taking it literal the figurative meaning in etymology of dust is meaning merely mortal men there was no word for death till 15th century it was a euphemism
Mike should be doing every single video!!!!
you left out your oxford comma... not cool
hi, I'm from Russia and I would like to know if the video about Russia will come 20th century ?
Erotium... is that where we get the word erotic?
They're both coming from the same origin - "eros" (ἒρως) is one of the Greek words for "love", esp. sexual love and desire.
do crash course philosophy
They could survive because they are the best
TL;DR: The Comedy of Errors, minus one pair of twins.
You're right. Stoicism is pretty dope my dude.
Mike are you reading DFW ?
What play is he referring to at the end of the video???
7:46 seneca
U are being demonetised for that naughty word that’s bad bad I’m at school that’s rude
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I've never clicked so fast in my life.
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Auction off a wife? Why did I never think of that. Would've been a lot cheaper than what I eventually did.
Here's an idea: Let me know where I can find you more Mike ;~;
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