Winchester 1892 Carbine Original and Miroku Reproduction Comparison

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @jeffstanfield5070
    @jeffstanfield5070 2 года назад +19

    Just put that Miroku Large Loop Carbine on Layaway Yesterday. Looking forward to getting her out in about 1.5 months. One thing is it is not John A Browning. His name was John Moses Browning. Simple mistake and thought that you would like to know. Miroku is even better than any Winchester made after 1964.

    • @foubert45
      @foubert45  2 года назад +3

      Awesome! And yes good catch didn’t realized I said A. Happy shooting!

  • @kyleawe7014
    @kyleawe7014 2 года назад +5

    Nice to see a young person with the knowledge and appreciation for the old school firearms… I have the same guns & gun leather!

  • @stangeli7
    @stangeli7 Год назад +4

    I own a Rossi 92 in 357 magnum, made in Brazil, and I can tell that it is a very good quality carabine, very close to the original model, except of course the materials (mine is in stainless steel). The action is smooth as it can possibly be and it is working perfectly with any kind of ammunition, 357 magnum and 38 special alike. I also own a Uberti 1873, in 357 magnum, made in Italy, and it is wonderfully well made too, very close to the original. I reckon that Miroku is working for the original brand Winchester and is doing a pretty good job, but it is not the only one there.

    • @Cucurú-c9v
      @Cucurú-c9v 3 месяца назад

      My daughter has an R92 .454 16"barrel. Guess what? Dagnabbit buttstock broke. So she bought a stock kit and changed the furniture to American Black Walnut with a metal butt plate. You should see it now. But it does not qualify for CAS/SASS. Ten round magazine needed. She got the Miroku 1872 Competition Carbine, and a pair of SASS Vaqueros.45. now for a shotgun.

  • @erichall7253
    @erichall7253 Год назад +1

    Amazing detailed video. You obviously have a fine collection!

  • @geradebowden3293
    @geradebowden3293 Год назад +1

    I have a Miruku Winchester m52 sporter in .22 cal. I absolutely love it. In my permanent collection.

  • @MaxResDefault2600
    @MaxResDefault2600 Год назад +4

    I also have a Miroku 1892. It's a fantastically well-built gun. I dislike from an emotional standpoint the tang safety, but it's useful for hunting and is in probably the least-worst spot. No issues with it at all and it's noticeably better made than my uberti handgun.

    • @mkshffr4936
      @mkshffr4936 22 дня назад

      I would have thought it would interfere with installing a tang sight.

  • @grayman7208
    @grayman7208 2 года назад +8

    02:00
    john moses browning.
    not john a. browning.

  • @michtailor3561
    @michtailor3561 Год назад +1

    excellent video, good closeups, i can see the nice build quality of the miroku, theyve also done their homework with the blueing hey

    • @RowdyYates-x6n
      @RowdyYates-x6n 10 месяцев назад

      As a shooter in Blighty who collects original Winchesters - I'm a Winchester nut - I note the Miroku magazine tube looks a little short. Why - and why buy a Japanese copy when there are so many originals available?

    • @Cucurú-c9v
      @Cucurú-c9v 3 месяца назад

      Could be no one wants to spend 10k on a rifle and ruin it?

  • @JeffinTD
    @JeffinTD 3 месяца назад +1

    Miroku makes some quality stuff. I have a 66, 73, and an 86. But I won’t buy another with that wart of a safety. Kinda wish I’d have gotten the Browning version of the 86 that didn’t have the safety.

  • @Tony-c9b
    @Tony-c9b 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for a great video regarding lever actions!
    I recently acquired a Chiapas 1992 because it more accurately represented Winchester’s original rather than their current version. It’s just me but I don’t like Rossi’s cross-bolt safety and Winchesters ghastly orange top tang button. I can live with Chiapas historically correct half cock safety (plus the other one between my ears). 😊!

    • @Tony-c9b
      @Tony-c9b 5 месяцев назад

      Oops. I meant 1892!

  • @matticusbond3975
    @matticusbond3975 6 месяцев назад

    Rossi 92 owner here……. Love it, smooth Action in 357. I got a good price on it, but they are more expensive now.

  • @mogulrider
    @mogulrider Год назад

    I have an old 1930s - 1892 in 44-40, A 2021 Miroku 1892 44 mag, and 3 Rossis of various rifle calibers. I can say with confidence that the Rossi's are a little less finished but the new 2020+ version are butter smooth and shoot the friggin lights out better than the others. What they lack in refinement, they make up for in Deer harvests. Iron sight 100yd shots are not a problem with them. I have several Marlins as well, I can't even imagine sluggin through the woods with my new Miroku.
    This is the problem with them. They are simply beautiful firearms. They are more museum pieces than meat getters. My Rossi's I can beat to death and not care. Yet all three are stainless versions and are tough as nails and wont scratch. If I did that with my Winchesters I'd be cryin in my soup as they are not as tough as the Rossi's in my opinion.
    It's an issue that will never be resolved. But damn, owning one is a true joy. The Japanese quality is 5 stars.

  • @michaelhodges8312
    @michaelhodges8312 Год назад

    I also have a Winchester reproduction 1892. The most well made rifle I own.

  • @skylersmith9465
    @skylersmith9465 Год назад +1

    I will say with the rossi's, they have a better cartridge guide design for straight walled cartridges, a much steeper angle. The winchesters still seem to use the original cartridge guide design meant for the bottlenecked catridges, but changed up the lifter for straight walled, making the feed angle much shallower. Though that one good thing doesn't matter, since the overall quality of the rossis are not good, they go to all that trouble of changing the design, but then everything else sucks. Overall, great video.

  • @joevalicenti2722
    @joevalicenti2722 Год назад

    How many cartridges will your original Model 92 SRC in 44-40 hold in the magazine? Some folks say 10 and others say 11. Can you verify for me please?

  • @mitchellzajac4059
    @mitchellzajac4059 2 года назад

    How r the ladder sights I was thinking about getting them but not sure if the distance would be correct for 357

  • @PastaLaVista.
    @PastaLaVista. 2 года назад +3

    John A. Browning? Cmon man! Beautiful rifles though

    • @foubert45
      @foubert45  2 года назад +1

      Haha yes my bad! John M. Browning

    • @PastaLaVista.
      @PastaLaVista. 2 года назад +2

      @@foubert45 haha I always just say the full John Moses Browning. He’s too much of a legend to abbreviate

  • @davidgardner863
    @davidgardner863 Год назад

    I have a ‘92 Miroku sporting rifle with a short 20” full octagon barrel in 38-40 cal. marked 1 of 500. I was looking for one as close to the original as possible including the caliber. That would have been available on special order back in the day. Too bad it has the tang safety though.

  • @TheREALLibertyOrDeath
    @TheREALLibertyOrDeath 2 месяца назад

    My miroku 1894 has an atrocious trigger! Fit and finish is superb

  • @tilmonr
    @tilmonr 7 месяцев назад

    I'm not saying john wayne didn't use one of these, but chuck conners, the riffleman, made this weapon famous.

  • @jimdenis8611
    @jimdenis8611 8 месяцев назад +1

    Pretty cool 😎

  • @tbcoachniblick1208
    @tbcoachniblick1208 Год назад

    Have the Chiappa 92 in 357 and is quality above the Rossi but very near the Miroku in quality cause I have a 92 Miroku also.. The Chiappa beats both because there is NO dumbass bolt or tang safety. The Chiappa safety is the FIRST click of the hammer just like the Original 92s...👍🇺🇸

  • @Bryl25
    @Bryl25 11 месяцев назад +1

    As some who has owned both I have to say the current Browning/Winchester guns are better than the New Haven, CT made guns.

  • @seandimond8609
    @seandimond8609 10 месяцев назад

    I have a original Winchester and I have 2 Henry's and 2 Rossi out all 5 my Winchester is at the bottom of the smoothest action then comes the Henry's the smoothest are my Rossi there is NO hesitation, you have to put more pressure down ward motion on the Winchester and Henry's the Rossi I do not.

  • @solomongrundy9735
    @solomongrundy9735 2 года назад

    How are the Chiappas? Those look very nice.

    • @dtnetlurker
      @dtnetlurker 2 года назад +2

      The Chiappas are spectacular. They are the one and only way to get very very close to the old quality and finish, and in absolutely identical dimensions of the original model with no added modern safeties (most parts can indeed interchange with originals). They are simply fantastic. John Wayne himself wouldn't be able to tell the difference without looking close at the rollmark. Yes they are that good. The hard part is finding them in stock though and they aren't exactly cheap. Worth every penny though. If you can find them.

    • @whiterabbit201
      @whiterabbit201 2 года назад

      I have a Chiappa carbine and I hate to say the fit and finish puts the new Winchesters to shame and makes the other imports look pitiful. Crazy high polish DEEEEEP blue with the proper shape receiver and crisp edges and fantastic wood. All parts swap with original 92 parts and no stupid safety, rebounding hammer or coil mainspring. If you can find one, get it. Mine is an early one with the all blued receiver/ barrel but with a sexy cased hammer.

    • @Cucurú-c9v
      @Cucurú-c9v 3 месяца назад

      Strange how pet kvetch about new upgrades.

  • @andrewprice1774
    @andrewprice1774 2 года назад +1

    John Moses browning...not John A browning

  • @cs-rj8ru
    @cs-rj8ru Год назад

    I've rotated through a few miroku 92s....They're beautifully built and shoot well. The rebounding hammer really ruins the gun. The cocking action is not as slick, heavier and stiffer. It also makes the trigger pull terrible and creates a 'dead' spot in cocking just like the 1894. The safety is also pretty retarded. Bought a Chiappa and I find it to be, frankly, a smoother, more enjoyable rifle.

  • @raginslone3896
    @raginslone3896 4 месяца назад

    John M. Browning, Moses

  • @alanpeterson4939
    @alanpeterson4939 Год назад

    I would buy one in a heartbeat if it did not have that stupid tang safety. That thing is ridiculous.

  • @georgesheffield1580
    @georgesheffield1580 10 месяцев назад

    I think the origional has

  • @seandimond8609
    @seandimond8609 10 месяцев назад

    One more thing the fit and finish is outstanding on the Rossi.

  • @cfluff6716
    @cfluff6716 2 года назад +2

    Hold up! So all Brownings are made in Japan now?!? That’s just horribly sacrilegious if so😵‍💫

    • @Salty-Frenchy
      @Salty-Frenchy Год назад

      @@Puckerupbuttercup261 well no the winchester sxp shotguns are made in turkey for exemple

    • @Puckerupbuttercup261
      @Puckerupbuttercup261 Год назад

      @@Salty-Frenchy oh, I didn’t know that! Thanks!

    • @hansen5652
      @hansen5652 Год назад

      ​@@Puckerupbuttercup261
      No not all brownings and winchesters are made in Japan or turkey.
      Many are made in Portugal like winchester model 70 or sx4.

    • @geradebowden3293
      @geradebowden3293 Год назад +2

      Japanese versions are fantastic don’t kid yourself .

  • @Almost_Made_It
    @Almost_Made_It Год назад

    The wood I got on my miroku is trash compared to yours. Bought it sight unseen so I can only blame myself but I’m still angry. Yours is nice straight grain. Mine is all knotty and irregular with lighter yellowish-brown shades

    • @JayBee-cr8jm
      @JayBee-cr8jm Год назад

      Sounds beautiful.

    • @Almost_Made_It
      @Almost_Made_It Год назад +1

      @@JayBee-cr8jm ehhh… you can see the forearm in one of my videos but it gets worse from there. Still love the gun but I wouldn’t count on that wood staying forever lol

  • @matthiashellmann6211
    @matthiashellmann6211 2 года назад +6

    in my opinion Winchester products should only made in the USA and nowhere else.
    Even though these are high quality rifles it is a shame to produce in Japan.
    US americana items like Jeeps, Colts, Wrangler jeeps should only made in the US .
    How stupid is that giving up production in the USA?
    greetings from Germany....

    • @adelarsen9776
      @adelarsen9776 2 года назад +2

      Jeep made in South America

    • @grayman7208
      @grayman7208 2 года назад +3

      agreed ... but people need to be willing to pay the cost of higher wages, and quality control needs to be stressed in american made products.
      it was well known when i lived in michigan, the cadillac plant made cars with built in obsoleteness ... they knew that cadi owners usually bought a new car every five years, so gm built them to last 10.

  • @SuperHorseshoer
    @SuperHorseshoer 9 месяцев назад

    why do you call the new one a remake!!! they own the winchester > they where made in europe and south america also!! the guns havent changed much

  • @brianmihlfeith7135
    @brianmihlfeith7135 7 месяцев назад

    John MOSES Browning, not John A Browning….you said it wrong more than once. Let’s honor our Father properly.

  • @billnopoles1934
    @billnopoles1934 8 месяцев назад

    Win 86 was in .45-75, not .45-70, the military cartrich ~~ as far as I know.

    • @jusportel
      @jusportel 2 месяца назад +1

      You’re thinking about the 1876. The 1886 was available in .45-70, .45-90, and even .50-100 calibre.

  • @gixxerlouis
    @gixxerlouis 2 года назад +1

    Henry....made in America...or not made at all...

    • @grayman7208
      @grayman7208 2 года назад +4

      henry ... copying other successful lever actions.

    • @sweetwater2128
      @sweetwater2128 2 года назад +2

      It’s nicer than the henry

    • @gixxerlouis
      @gixxerlouis 2 года назад

      @@sweetwater2128 it’s made in jay pan…polish a turd…it’s still a turd..

    • @Cucurú-c9v
      @Cucurú-c9v 3 месяца назад

      Henry's are junk. Sure they're pretty like another well made gun, Walther PPK. Both well made junk. I'll take a Rossi R92 before a Henry or Marlin. Henry starts making a lever action modeled on other lever actions, and people have to defend them. Sure, Henry's look like that beautiful blonde, then you get her home and she's an Airhead. Tell me. which rifle won the West, and which rifle has take down more deer, not to forget which rifle is the king of Cowboy Action Shooting?

    • @gixxerlouis
      @gixxerlouis 3 месяца назад

      @@Cucurú-c9v you do realize henry was the first lever gun right? and winchester came second right? and marlin after right? and that rossi is a cheap knock off of them all right?you should do research before you prove how stupid you really are...and cheap...

  • @chipsterb4946
    @chipsterb4946 2 года назад

    Not substantial. The biggest mechanical differences as far as I can tell are the rebounding hammer and tang safety on the Miroku version. But you had the camera aimed too low to see what you were attempting to describe.
    You also failed to mention Uberti who is by far the most prolific manufacturer of reproductions.

  • @Antonio-j1g
    @Antonio-j1g 10 месяцев назад

    what a ugly bulky front sight on the repro

    • @Cucurú-c9v
      @Cucurú-c9v 3 месяца назад

      Can be changed really easy.