I’m always impressed how knowledgeable people such as yourself take the time and trouble to explain this stuff so carefully for the benefit of others. Thank you Sir and much appreciated.
@@factorybear5264 Well, I am pretty sure he cleaned it before the video. They do get dirty, it's just that you don't necessarily have to take them apart all the time because it doesn't matter that much as in a semi-auto.
I like your padded raised support. It keeps the receiver off the bench making it easier to work on and protects damaging the finish of the rifle. That is clever idea for working on any lever-action. If I were you; I would invest in a small brass or nylon hammer and a brass or nylon punch, or make some from round bar stock. Using a hardened steel hammer makes it easy for bad things to happen.
The brass hammer is a great idea. Thanks. I did polish all of the "hammering" surfaces on that ball peen hammer so an accidental tap won't scratch, but brass for most applications would be better.
Yep. Since Wincherster stopped domestic production, the Rossi leverguns have filled that void. Now with Miroku ramping up production on a lot of cancelled vintage Winchester models they are available again. Nicer rifles and shotguns, but with a price to match.
@@TargetSuite I have had pretty good luck with all my Rossi's. They all averaged about $300, which is something i like. I can carry it, abuse it, shoot the piss out of it and i do t have to worry about breaking the bank. I have to admit that for the money they are really good rifles. Accurate, reliable, easy to carry.
Thank you again George, I’ve been seriously thinking about buying a 92 and now I’ve been trained on this disassembly as well as the 86. Great videos and many thanks again! Gary
Ditto, as mentioned an empty/spent case or a snap cap works as well. It frees up your hand to push the firing pin in without worrying about the ejector, spring, and collar popping out of the breach face. The 1892 is my favourite pistol caliber carbine/rifle. I have the identical rifle. Thanks for all your videos. Much appreciated.
Another great vid on disassembling / assembling a Winchester. Now, I know exactly what to do and how to do it. So, I am glad I bought a Winchester 92 in 45 colt and a 94 in 30-30 and not an 86... The way you shoot this type of video is very helpful. Keep going. Thanks again from France 😃
Fantastic! Excellent content. I have the same rifle in .44 also. Finding videos, especially quality ones on this gun is very difficult. I compare the Miroku winchester to my original winchesters and personally find it to be a superior firearm.
Thanks I really appreciate that. I have "loved" my 1886, and I really "love" my 1892. More content to come on both, but especially the '92! Stay tuned.
Interesting. Love seeing how things come apart and back together. Find the cleaning process very relaxing and therapeutic. Completes the whole thing. Ie. Making the ammo, firing the ammo then clean the firearm, clean the brass. Gives a person time to think. Thank you for sharing.
Hi Dan. I agree. It is a therapeutic thing. Being an "enthusiast" is waaaay more than just pulling the trigger and grinning. Now I'm not saying the grinning part isn't fun, there's just more to the shooting "sport"😄
Hard to elaborate when it involves wife's generous nature to get this done. Tried for 2 months to get enough information to install rear appeture on 1892. Tried Williams, tried Tang Site, called Skinner could not find anything on website. Talk to Rob at Skinner for half hour and he suggested Lo Pro with extended post. I have a good gunsmith who took on the problem and drilled hole in breach bolt for site. Suggested clearancing (mill) firing pin for extra thread or post clearance (adjustment). I hope this enough information to resolve any issue you may be working on.
Perfect. I had the same conversation with Rob myself. I guess great minds think alike. I opted to not use the LoPro sight yet because it doesn't have windage adjustment. Instead, I have been churning over other possibilities. For now, I have replaced the rear buckhorn with a Marble Arms Bullseye rear sight. I haven't shot a lot with it, but so far it is an acceptable solution. If your wife's generous nature goes as far as Instagram you can check out the short video I posted installing that sight, plus a little shooting. Here's a link to that sight . . . www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/rifle-long-bullseye-rear-sight-prod105965.aspx
Thanks, great video. Disassembling Winchester lever actions can be daunting if you are not familiar with them. FWIW, I have 3 Miroku made Winchester reproductions...a Model 1895, Model 1886 and Model 71. I bought all of them to relieve the stress and wear on originals I inherited. They are all excellently made. Dare I say it...even better build quality than originals! 😲 (I'm OK with coil springs and the rebounding hammer but the tang safety on later models is an abomination..) My Model 71 is just about the most accurate rifle I own at 100 yards or less!
@@TargetSuite Do you watch the channel "Leverguns 50"? He has a lot of great videos on Winchester/Miroku guns. He does the "handload them to the max" thing, which I am sure they are strong enough for, but I don't go that route. Using a .50-110 chambered gun he gets .458 Winchester Mag level performance 😲
I will tell you a much easier way to put the Bolt assembly and Ejector back together. Take a fired Cartridge and put it in the bolt under the Ejector and guide it back in the chamber while installing the lever. Works a lot easier.
I had to do a lot of work on my Rossi 1892 454 Casull, to get it to cycle rounds. Opened up the chamber entrance, worked on the carrier to get it to cycle. When all was done, I shimmed the trigger to get the pull down to about 3 pounds.
Hi Dale. You have me dreaming of the 454 Casull! The one thing I need to address on this WinRoku, beside replacing the rear sight, is the trigger. It's pretty bad. Thanks for the comment!
With the rifle (24") most cleaning rods will not reach muzzle from the rear. Thus, a bore snake or cleaning from muzzle with rod fitted with a muzzle protecter. This procedure did allow access to disable the rebound function of the hammer and replace the OE hammer spring with a less powerful one. The action did not need slicking, the factory did a wonderful job of that.
Great video, and the directions are clear and easy to follow along, .not rushed. I bought one of these model 1892's today, and no doubt, I will soon need to do this to clean my rifle soon. I subscribed too, so that I may be able to look up this video again, if and when I run into some bother in doing this for the first few times. Thanks for this video, George.
@@TargetSuiteYou are welcome! I should mention that my '92 is in 45 Colt as well! ( I can't use heavy recoiling rifles/shotguns due to rotator cuff damage, this rifle feels just perfect,..no jolt, no pain either.)
Sorry about the bad shoulder. I know the feeling. I'm in the process of working up very lite loads for my 44 mag '92. I just don't need the power or recoil either, most of the time ;-)
@@TargetSuite I saw those 'lighter' loads you used, and am going to talk with the Range I go to, as they re-load ammunition for the members there. I'd bet they can do this too for a few of us. Great idea!
I always look forward to seeing your postings, George. I'm amazed at the differences between the Marlin 1894 and Winnie. I love working on things, but from time to time, cleaning my old gal is a chore. So, I just remove the stock, stick the receiver in "Dunk-It" for awhile, let it drain and dry up, oil judiciously and call it good.
I saw another video where the guy actually held the ejector in place by inserting a spent round case into the end of the bolt. Worked really well. He said you could use a dummy round or a snap cap as well.
Looks like an annual service! A bore snake, shaving brush and gun scrubber should do for routine maintenance. (Frequent disassembly of slotted screws makes me nervous!). Now I want to go twiddle with my 94.
Hi Biff. I agree. Personally, I think a lot of folks over clean, and the evidence is the condition of their screws. The only exception would be if you shoot a lot of cast bullets and have a problem with leading. If that leading is allowed to build up, cleaning sessions can last a looong time.
Looks like a job that needs to be attended to with concentration and some consideration for the equipment. I could tell you are sympathetic by the way you guarded the frame with your thumb next to the screwdriver in the screw slot. Nice.
a very well explained video George. If you don't know the set up of under lever it can be a nightmare getting it back together if you don't know your way around it....best video I have watched and I have seen them all...Well done George and look forward to the next video.....looks like my gun club in Wales in the UK might be opening in August...cheers...
Mike, that's great news about your club. You can only dry fire at the bad guys on TV so long before you have to also smell the cordite! (just kidding about shooting the TV) Thanks for the comment!
I don't have access to a Miroku made Winchester 94, but I do have to a domestic made Model 94. I'll check and see if my friend Micah will let me "expose" the innards of that rifle.
Pretty simple , but not a job I would want to do in the field . I like your leather topped bench rest . I need to make one like it . I have a yoke rest but I can't turn my rifles from side to side like yours . Great video .
Thanks Spencer. The leather topped rest was something I put together out of desperation just for this video because I left my other one at the farm. But I actually like this one better.
Hey George hope all is well. I was looking forward to your Tuesday video.. I hope your taking time off if so enjoy. I hope RUclips isn't bothering you. Looking forward to your next post.
I'm humbled! And still here. I really hated to miss my weekly update but something came up and I just wasn't able to break away to post a video. I'm going to try and get one out tonight and will be back on schedule next week.
@m2gja m1 I just wanted to give you an update since you are the only one of my viewers who asked about the "missing" video. This has really been a challenging 10 days or so. I've been deeply involved helping with a couple of issues (not immediate family) that were impossible to avoid and as much as I am committed to my RUclips family, I just couldn't take time away from that to post anything this week. By God's grace, one issue was resolved today and the other will wrap up on Sunday. So I'll "see you" next Tuesday🙂
I love lever guns and that is a beauty. Probably costs 3 or 4 times what my old mossberg costs.I wanted a cheap 30-30 to throw into the pickup cab. Yours looks very well made. gonna read about those. good video. Happy Thanksgiving 2020.
Thank you very much for this great video which saves my life;); indeed, my ejector broke, despite a suitable and careful use ... on the other hand here, in France, hard to have the parts! Thanks again anyway, great video!
I had a 92 rossi for 15 years before i got up the gumption to figure out how to take the bolt out of the receiver. It was dirty in there, but the barrel was clean!
@@TargetSuite Youre absolutely right! All i did was keep the barrel brushed and oiled, and i oiled the part of the bolt that protruded from the rear of the reciever. Never had any issues, and i had shot a metric ton of black powder loads. When i finally got the bolt out, i had to use break parts cleaner to remove the build up in the bolt!
Thanks for the kind words Max! I did have a little leading from some of my first cast bullet handloads but it scrubbed right out with some bronze wool. Several folks have mentioned the Model 94. So, I'll going to do another take down video with that rifle for next week. Then the wife and I are heading back to the farm for a few weeks.
So the ejector plug pin has a shoulder that prevents it from being pushed too far through the breach block assembly. I wonder if you couldn't make a small "slave" pin, out of nylon or plastic, to hold the ejector assembly in the breach block, during reassembly. The slave could be undersized enough to allow it to be pushed through the hole in the right side of the receiver, as the plug pin is re-inserted, from the left. I don't have a 92 yet, so I'm not sure it'd work.
Thank you Sir I brought home my new Winchester 92 in 44 rem mag only last night. What i would very much like to know is from where came the raised support you used?
Thanks! The Japanese Winchesters are in a different league . . . and cost almost twice as much. On the outside, I was impressed with the Rossi R92 I made a video about. The fit and finish was very nice and much better than I expected. But I would use the word "fine" to describe the Japanese Winchester, inside and out. I wouldn't say that about the Rossi. One other thing about the Rossi R92, and this doesn't relate to quality, is that they all have 1:30 twist which limits the use of heavier bullets. So if someone is considering an 1892 style rifle and wants to shoot heavier than normal bullets, the Winchesters with their faster twist would be better.
@Hutehund Thank you! If I had access to a Miroku 1894 I would gladly make that video. But the channel budget has already been stretched to buy the 1892😉
@Rooster I just called a friend. He has a 90s vintage US made model 94 in 357 magnum. I'm going to pick that up tonight and start learning that rifle. I'll post a dis/reassembly video in the next few weeks.
@Michael Keeling I posted a disassembly/reassembly video on the Rossi a couple of weeks ago. Here' a link to that video as well as the review Review - ruclips.net/video/6Cuo-hKkp4g/видео.html Teardown - ruclips.net/video/zkjP74rcR50/видео.html
Winchester may have changed the hammer/main spring some where along the way. I don't know. But my original 1911 mfg 1892 has a leaf spring for its main spring rather than a coil spring. My 2 92 clones have a coil spring affair similar to yours. A little different because you have a tang safety. I prefer the coil spring. Your 92 seems to be well machined. Too bad it's not in 45 Colt😊
Oh, but David . . . my son bought a Miroku 1892 in 45 Colt at the same time I bought the 44 Mag! So, you'll get to see both on my channel. Do you have any other requests? Lol ! ! ! Thanks as always !
I have a Rossi 92, comes apart like this. Only I use paperclips to retain the mainspring. Also I use a fired case to help maintain the bolt/ejector when putting back together. Makes it alot easier. And I am not near as nice to it. Only done this take down on it like 3 times since I owned it. The rest of the time in between shooting I just run a bore snake down it.
really like the buttplate on that 92 winchester. I want one for my 464 mossberg. it has a crappy piece of rubber that hangs up on your coat. They say the two have some similarities.
Hi Tom. I don't think there is any difference between the assembly/disassembly process (at this level) for either the Miroku or Chiappa 1892s. Thanks for the comment!
Very good instructional video, but what strikes me is that reassembling the parts is rather difficult. When I disassemble and reassemble my Chiappa 1892 Sportingrifle (.45 Colt), it goes smoothly and without the "glitches" I see with the Miroku. While the system is the same. Any idea why that could be?
I just did an assembly video on the Rossi 1892. Probably not in the same league as your Chiappa, but the Rossi was harder to reassemble than the Miroku Winchester by far.
@@TargetSuite Although Chiappa and Rossi are related, Chiappa is clearly better in machining and tolerances in fitting! I like the Chiappa more because it is a correct clone of the original Winchester 1892, with which I am also familiar. That even with regard to the Miroku, which by the way has a high quality level. Chiappa is authentic and performs super on the shooting range.
@@TargetSuite George, that would be very special! I am also curious if there is a quality difference in export to the USA or the European market. Very interesting anyway. Most European models have South American hardwood instead of a wallnut stock as advertised. I am very curious about your findings, regards Paul
$200-ish more than the Marlin 1894. But the difference in quality is more than that. And you get a 1:26" twist standard rifling instead of 1:38 twist micro-groove which opens the door to a lot more bullet choices. Thanks!
How do you like the Miroku Winchesters as opposed to the Marlins (JM or Remington)? Would love to have one of those but “settled” for a Remington made Marlin 1894 instead. The Miroku Winchesters appear to be nearly impossible to get your hands on these days where I’m from. I actually like to get my hands on something before I purchase it. (Too old school I guess.) Think I’m going to really like the Marlin once I finally get to take it out. The Marlins appear to be well made once again unlike the horror stories I saw from a few years ago. That sure is a nice rifle you have there.
The Miroku Winchesters are "better" made and more finely finished, But the JM Marlin's I've owned and handled were very satisfying (after a few tweaks). I've always wondered if the "New Marlin" has worked out the kinks. I suspect so. And the vast majority of satisfied customers speaks to that. As for my Miroku Winchester, I have been waiting a long time for a new production, and at the same time watching the online auctions. I was very fortunate to land this one. Thanks for the comment Hank and let me know how you like your RemLin.
Target Suite took it to my Dad’s and tried it out this afternoon. Other than a jam of a 44 special semi wad cutter round partly in the magazine tube, partly out that I had to get a screwdriver and gently tap the rim of the cartridge to get it out, I absolutely love it so far. Cycles pretty smooth and shoots better than I can.
Every rifle will benefit from the occasional "deep clean" and lube. But as long as it is not stiff or binding or had dirt get into the receiver I'd leave it alone for extended periods. How long that is is hard to nail down. Personally, I'm shooting for a deep clean once a year or every 1000 rounds or so. But I'm sure some will say that is too often, and others not frequent enough.
Dumb question here from a Subscriber: My 1898 manufacture date Winchester 1892 needs a deep clean- Will this video work for my original for disassembly/ reassembly of my rifle?
I haven't disassembled an old one like yours, but I suspect the process will mostly be the same except for the hammer spring. It will probably be a leaf spring, not coil.
Hi George, awesome video of that 92 disassembly and reassembly. You explain everything to great extant and the trick of tiring the trigger back is great! Have you got any ideas for a aperture sight yet? With that Tang safety a Tang site is out. Thanks for all your hard work it's appreciated..
HI Terry. I'm still churning on the final solution, but I did order one of these to try out in the interim. It's really cheap and I don't know anyone who has ever used one. www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=53261&pid=105965
@@TargetSuite George that sight looks interesting. A peep inside of a ring. I may also get one and try it on my uberti 1873 Winchester. My old eyes hate the buckhorn site. Have a skinner peep on my Henry 22 on the receiver. Let me know what you think of it and I'll share my thoughts on it when I get mine.
Will do Terry. One thing that is not clear with that sight is how you manage elevation changes. Maybe there is a sight elevator that is just not shown. Yes, let's share thoughts. I'll post a few pics on Instagram when I get it. If you use Instagram you can message me directly there @targetsuite. If not, I'll make a note to come back to this comment thread. Or you can ping me in my next video comments.
@@TargetSuite WOW good point George forgot about elevation. I don't use instagram, but we'll figure it out. Surly there has to be some kind of elevation
So I’m looking to buy this rifle. Is this disassembly necessary after your average range trip or can I clean the majority of the barrel and action without disassembly?
Great question. Cleaning frequency is a personal thing but I only disassemble and deep clean/lube the action every few hundred rounds or every two or three months if I don't shoot a lot at each session.
Thanks for the response. I’m looking into this gun but am use to an old marlin which is very simple to breakdown. Just wondering if I could use a bore snake and a Otis cable for the barrel. Not sure what all I would need for the action.
@@TargetSuite My win is not vintage. it is a 1894 to 1994 centenary model trapper carbine with the big hoop. in 44 mag. Last time I shot it the mag tube came loose and other screws were also loosening up.
I just borrowed a Model 94 (domestic manufacture from 1982) from a friend and am working on a disassembly/reassembly video for that rifle. I hope to post that video next Tuesday. I also hope to shoot that rifle in the next week or so to see how it performs. Maybe I should put a sheet under me to catch the loose parts😄
Hi Chris. I don't have an original to compare to, but apart from the lawyer friendly changes made that I mentioned I believe it is functionally (faithfully) the same. Maybe someone can jump in who is intimate with both the originals and the modern ones.
There's a safety on the tang. The main spring is a coil now. I think there's at least one company that uses the leaf spring still but I forget. The body lines of the receiver are the same on these. The Rossi however used less body lines thus less machining time. Of course the steel is better than those old gals. Also, miroku uses a rebounding hammer. So no half cock, and that's a bummer.
And if you look at the exploded drawings on Numrich of the original and Miroku '92s, the major action components while not drop in compatible look to be functionally identical.
There is only a hammer block safety on these Miroku 1892's. My guess is that you didn't get it properly reconnected before reassembly. So, I would take the butt stock off and watch what happens when you operate the safety and when the hammer falls.
I use the Wheeler Engineering set www.midwayusa.com/product/1007363134 . It is from China so the tips are a little softer than I would like, but for the price, you get a lot.
Target Suite, that was the one i was looking at real hard and read the same thing. I saw winchester made a smaller kit so I figured Id see what you liked too before I made a decision. Thanks George. Oh by the way the new 1885 kicks like a mule, but its awesome
Target Suite yeah 45-70. Bought some cast performance 405gr flat nose from midway and followed hogdons reloading data on their website for lever guns. 46grains of H4198 was their starting load and its no joke, didnt take me long to make some trap door loads.😄
I'm not familiar with an AE model of the 1892. Are you thinking about the 94 AE? If so, that is a different rifle design and I covered disassembly of that rifle here . . . ruclips.net/video/PfjTHHVDkxY/видео.html
I love these old guns I really do..... but I wish they would breakdown like a modern rifle. Push a button and turn a lever and everything comes apart. Maybe someone will design such a thing.
I get your frustration. But that is part of the appeal of the old guns. That said, the Marlin 336/1895/Henry rifles kind of fall in that category as they are really easy to field strip, especially if you use one of the thumb screws from Ranger Point Precision for you lever screw.
@@TargetSuite I have a Winchester 1892 made in 1910. 24" full octagon barrel full mag tube. It needs some work but the bluing is all there and it's gorgeous. It's in in 38-40 and I plan on relining it and using .40/10mm hollow points
For 1892 breach bolt appetite site call Skinner for long stem lo pro besidesinstallation hole mill firing pin for extra clearance. Like your channel. 27th George
If I understand your comment correctly, I've talked to Skinner and they didn't have any breach bolt mounted sight, but may develop one. What is your comment about milling the firing pin? Is that to give clearance for screws?
Hi Chris. You are right. The Miroku Winchester 1892 is more complex than the Marlin 1894 design. It also stronger and has better fit and finish than any of the three 1894s I have owned. But that comes at a significant cost increase over the 1894. So I wouldn't say this 1892 is better that the Marlin 1894, which I love. It's just different. And I think being able to get breech access for cleaning by removing just one screw guarantees the Marlin 1894s continued dominance in the pistol caliber carbine market. Thanks for the comment as always!
Maybe or maybe frikin not could I live with my John Browning lever gun made in the house of the rising sun but that bloody tampon safety is a bridge too far!
Miroku has been making great "American" guns for decades now. And they built the Browning branded lever guns in the traditional way back in the 90's. But Import requirements have now forced them to incorporate a safety. Our Congress-men and women at work!
Another nice video George. I have a couple of articles on how to disassemble/reassemble the '92 and slick up the action. www.ktgunsmith.com/92dis.htm and www.ktgunsmith.com/92slick.htm My Rossi has a different hammer strut because it doesn't have the tang safety, but pretty much everything is the same. Yes, that pesky ejector, ejector spring and collar can be fun to deal with, but it gets easier every time I do it. The '92 rifles are very popular for Cowboy Action Shooting. I was thinking about refinishing my Rossi '92 with a different painted finish, but the bluing is just too beautiful, so I converted it into a takedown rifle instead. www.ktgunsmith.com/92takedown.htm I decided this is a rifle I will never part with because the rifle is historical and I like the action.
@@TargetSuite I have a Miruko Winchester 1886 Extra Lite. Also have several Miruko/Browning repros from the 1980's or 90's. The Browning are the model 71 and 71 deluxe and an 1886 montana commerative rifle. The Browning Miruko rifles don't have the tang safties and the fitment and finish on the older Browning rifles are superior to my winchester 1886. I wish I could try an miruko 1892 but I can't afford it yet, but I have some old original winchester and even the old 1895 rifle.
Aaron that is a great collection of classic and beautiful rifles. I tried to buy one of those Miroku Browning 1892s but not having a tang safety and rebounding hammer just wasn't worth an additional $400. So I "settled" on the Winchester version.
I know this is not going to be taken well but I think John Browning’s designs are way too complicated but I think he did that on purpose just my two cents.
Hi Craig. No argument here. They are complicated. The 1892 much less so than the 1886 but still more so than the Marlin lever guns. But the two Browning designs were both a product of their times and in the case of the 1886, an incredible breakthrough, over engineered for the powders of the 1880s yet capable of handling power levels today on par with the 458 Win Mag. Not necessarily needed, but still a tribute to JMB and exciting to see in action ruclips.net/video/AFLXjfiklnQ/видео.html
The Miroku (Japanese) Winchesters are in a different league when it comes to quality. The Rossi that I featured looked great but close inspection reveals a big difference. And on the inside, the contrast is even more stark. The Miroku Winchesters are very well made. And their price reflects it.
I’m always impressed how knowledgeable people such as yourself take the time and trouble to explain this stuff so carefully for the benefit of others. Thank you Sir and much appreciated.
Thank you. I appreciate that!
Living proof as to why God created bore snakes. This has got to be one of my favorite videos of all time. Thanks, Professor.
Haha! Thanks!
@@factorybear5264 Well, I am pretty sure he cleaned it before the video. They do get dirty, it's just that you don't necessarily have to take them apart all the time because it doesn't matter that much as in a semi-auto.
I like your padded raised support. It keeps the receiver off the bench making it easier to work on and protects damaging the finish of the rifle. That is clever idea for working on any lever-action. If I were you; I would invest in a small brass or nylon hammer and a brass or nylon punch, or make some from round bar stock. Using a hardened steel hammer makes it easy for bad things to happen.
The brass hammer is a great idea. Thanks. I did polish all of the "hammering" surfaces on that ball peen hammer so an accidental tap won't scratch, but brass for most applications would be better.
@@TargetSuite If you need to give it more than a little tap you will leave the brass color on your blued part
Boy, Miroku looks like they make a really nice precision made firearm, Man oh Man.
Yes! Very nice.
You can buy 3 Rossi for the price of that one made in Japan!
Yep. Since Wincherster stopped domestic production, the Rossi leverguns have filled that void. Now with Miroku ramping up production on a lot of cancelled vintage Winchester models they are available again. Nicer rifles and shotguns, but with a price to match.
@@TargetSuite I have had pretty good luck with all my Rossi's. They all averaged about $300, which is something i like. I can carry it, abuse it, shoot the piss out of it and i do t have to worry about breaking the bank. I have to admit that for the money they are really good rifles. Accurate, reliable, easy to carry.
That's what I hear about the Rossi leverguns. Function over form. And they offer one now in 454 Casull. Now that would be a blast . . . so to speak😉
Thank you again George, I’ve been seriously thinking about buying a 92 and now I’ve been trained on this disassembly as well as the 86. Great videos and many thanks again!
Gary
Thanks Gary. Kind words . . . and I appreciate them!
I've used a deprimed, empty case placed under the extractor claw to hold the ejector in place during reassembly.
That's a great idea. I'll try that next time. Thanks!
I just put this info in the comment I made. Should of read down farther before typing. But yeah a ton easier to do that way.
Ditto, as mentioned an empty/spent case or a snap cap works as well.
It frees up your hand to push the firing pin in without worrying about the ejector, spring, and collar popping out of the breach face.
The 1892 is my favourite pistol caliber carbine/rifle.
I have the identical rifle.
Thanks for all your videos. Much appreciated.
Another great vid on disassembling / assembling a Winchester. Now, I know exactly what to do and how to do it.
So, I am glad I bought a Winchester 92 in 45 colt and a 94 in 30-30 and not an 86...
The way you shoot this type of video is very helpful.
Keep going.
Thanks again from France 😃
Thank you. Good luck with your new rifles. Say hi for me to all our like minded brothers and sisters there in France!
What a great video! Thanks for having a camera that actually focuses. I’ve watched so many vids that are out of focus. Best 92 disassembly I’ve seen.
Thanks Max. I am still struggling with focus occasionally drifting in and out on my new main camera. But I will slay that dragon, I promise.
Fantastic! Excellent content. I have the same rifle in .44 also. Finding videos, especially quality ones on this gun is very difficult. I compare the Miroku winchester to my original winchesters and personally find it to be a superior firearm.
Thanks I really appreciate that. I have "loved" my 1886, and I really "love" my 1892. More content to come on both, but especially the '92! Stay tuned.
Interesting.
Love seeing how things come apart and back together.
Find the cleaning process very relaxing and therapeutic. Completes the whole thing. Ie. Making the ammo, firing the ammo then clean the firearm, clean the brass.
Gives a person time to think.
Thank you for sharing.
Hi Dan. I agree. It is a therapeutic thing. Being an "enthusiast" is waaaay more than just pulling the trigger and grinning. Now I'm not saying the grinning part isn't fun, there's just more to the shooting "sport"😄
Hard to elaborate when it involves wife's generous nature to get this done. Tried for 2 months to get enough information to install rear appeture on 1892. Tried Williams, tried Tang Site, called Skinner could not find anything on website. Talk to Rob at Skinner for half hour and he suggested Lo Pro with extended post. I have a good gunsmith who took on the problem and drilled hole in breach bolt for site. Suggested clearancing (mill) firing pin for extra thread or post clearance (adjustment). I hope this enough information to resolve any issue you may be working on.
Perfect. I had the same conversation with Rob myself. I guess great minds think alike. I opted to not use the LoPro sight yet because it doesn't have windage adjustment. Instead, I have been churning over other possibilities. For now, I have replaced the rear buckhorn with a Marble Arms Bullseye rear sight. I haven't shot a lot with it, but so far it is an acceptable solution. If your wife's generous nature goes as far as Instagram you can check out the short video I posted installing that sight, plus a little shooting. Here's a link to that sight . . . www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/rifle-long-bullseye-rear-sight-prod105965.aspx
Excellent disassembly video George!
Thanks Keith. I appreciate that!
Miroku makes a beautiful firearm. I wish they made the new 101’s
Fantastic rifles and beautifully built. Thanks for the great instructional video.
Thanks James! I appreciate those comments!
Thanks, great video. Disassembling Winchester lever actions can be daunting if you are not familiar with them.
FWIW, I have 3 Miroku made Winchester reproductions...a Model 1895, Model 1886 and Model 71. I bought all of them to relieve the stress and wear on originals I inherited. They are all excellently made. Dare I say it...even better build quality than originals! 😲 (I'm OK with coil springs and the rebounding hammer but the tang safety on later models is an abomination..)
My Model 71 is just about the most accurate rifle I own at 100 yards or less!
Amen on the Miroku quality. Hands down the best (affordable) lever guns out there.
@@TargetSuite Do you watch the channel "Leverguns 50"? He has a lot of great videos on Winchester/Miroku guns. He does the "handload them to the max" thing, which I am sure they are strong enough for, but I don't go that route.
Using a .50-110 chambered gun he gets .458 Winchester Mag level performance 😲
Very nice Video...thank you from Germany!!!!!!!
Great to hear from you. Thanks for the comment!
I will tell you a much easier way to put the Bolt assembly and Ejector back together.
Take a fired Cartridge and put it in the bolt under the Ejector and guide it back in the chamber while installing the lever. Works a lot easier.
Thanks Rooster344. I have adopted that and have dummies for all our Winchesters.
I had to do a lot of work on my Rossi 1892 454 Casull, to get it to cycle rounds. Opened up the chamber entrance, worked on the carrier to get it to cycle. When all was done, I shimmed the trigger to get the pull down to about 3 pounds.
Hi Dale. You have me dreaming of the 454 Casull! The one thing I need to address on this WinRoku, beside replacing the rear sight, is the trigger. It's pretty bad. Thanks for the comment!
With the rifle (24") most cleaning rods will not reach muzzle from the rear. Thus, a bore snake or cleaning from muzzle with rod fitted with a muzzle protecter. This procedure did allow access to disable the rebound function of the hammer and replace the OE hammer spring with a less powerful one. The action did not need slicking, the factory did a wonderful job of that.
Thanks Rooster!
Great video, and the directions are clear and easy to follow along, .not rushed.
I bought one of these model 1892's today, and no doubt, I will soon need to do this to clean my rifle soon.
I subscribed too, so that I may be able to look up this video again, if and when I run into some bother in doing this for the first few times.
Thanks for this video, George.
Thanks for the compliment and the sub! Glad to have you!
@@TargetSuiteYou are welcome!
I should mention that my '92 is in 45 Colt as well! ( I can't use heavy recoiling rifles/shotguns due to rotator cuff damage, this rifle feels just perfect,..no jolt, no pain either.)
Sorry about the bad shoulder. I know the feeling. I'm in the process of working up very lite loads for my 44 mag '92. I just don't need the power or recoil either, most of the time ;-)
@@TargetSuite I saw those 'lighter' loads you used, and am going to talk with the Range I go to, as they re-load ammunition for the members there.
I'd bet they can do this too for a few of us.
Great idea!
I always look forward to seeing your postings, George.
I'm amazed at the differences between the Marlin 1894 and Winnie. I love working on things, but from time to time, cleaning my old gal is a chore. So, I just remove the stock, stick the receiver in "Dunk-It" for awhile, let it drain and dry up, oil judiciously and call it good.
With that kind of crude approach to maintenance, your Winnie may only last 300 years. Such a shame😄 Good to hear from you ! ! !
@@TargetSuite You're a cruel man, George, but fair. :)
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I saw another video where the guy actually held the ejector in place by inserting a spent round case into the end of the bolt. Worked really well. He said you could use a dummy round or a snap cap as well.
That's a great idea!
Thank you for producing this video. Great quality and easy to follow. Well done.
Thanks! Comments like that keep me going.
Looks like an annual service! A bore snake, shaving brush and gun scrubber should do for routine maintenance. (Frequent disassembly of slotted screws makes me nervous!). Now I want to go twiddle with my 94.
Hi Biff. I agree. Personally, I think a lot of folks over clean, and the evidence is the condition of their screws. The only exception would be if you shoot a lot of cast bullets and have a problem with leading. If that leading is allowed to build up, cleaning sessions can last a looong time.
Looks like a job that needs to be attended to with concentration and some consideration for the equipment. I could tell you are sympathetic by the way you guarded the frame with your thumb next to the screwdriver in the screw slot. Nice.
Thanks! Yes, this is definitely a job that demands you attention or your rifle will really show your lack of care. Especially over time.
a very well explained video George. If you don't know the set up of under lever it can be a nightmare getting it back together if you don't know your way around it....best video I have watched and I have seen them all...Well done George and look forward to the next video.....looks like my gun club in Wales in the UK might be opening in August...cheers...
Mike, that's great news about your club. You can only dry fire at the bad guys on TV so long before you have to also smell the cordite! (just kidding about shooting the TV) Thanks for the comment!
Great video as someone before me post, please do a 94.
I don't have access to a Miroku made Winchester 94, but I do have to a domestic made Model 94. I'll check and see if my friend Micah will let me "expose" the innards of that rifle.
Pretty simple , but not a job I would want to do in the field . I like your leather topped bench rest . I need to make one like it .
I have a yoke rest but I can't turn my rifles from side to side like yours . Great video .
Thanks Spencer. The leather topped rest was something I put together out of desperation just for this video because I left my other one at the farm. But I actually like this one better.
the action on my 2 92 miroku's are so damn tight. this will help me get them apart and start polishing. thx
Good luck! Let me know how they turn out.
Hey George hope all is well. I was looking forward to your Tuesday video.. I hope your taking time off if so enjoy. I hope RUclips isn't bothering you. Looking forward to your next post.
I'm humbled! And still here. I really hated to miss my weekly update but something came up and I just wasn't able to break away to post a video. I'm going to try and get one out tonight and will be back on schedule next week.
@@TargetSuite OK good deal
@m2gja m1 I just wanted to give you an update since you are the only one of my viewers who asked about the "missing" video. This has really been a challenging 10 days or so. I've been deeply involved helping with a couple of issues (not immediate family) that were impossible to avoid and as much as I am committed to my RUclips family, I just couldn't take time away from that to post anything this week. By God's grace, one issue was resolved today and the other will wrap up on Sunday. So I'll "see you" next Tuesday🙂
@@TargetSuite no problem my friend family comes first. I hope everything goes well as I'm sure it will. God bless you and yours. See you next week
I love lever guns and that is a beauty. Probably costs 3 or 4 times what my old mossberg costs.I wanted a cheap 30-30 to throw into the pickup cab. Yours looks very well made. gonna read about those. good video. Happy Thanksgiving 2020.
Thanks! I hope your Thanksgiving was a good one.
Thank you very much for this great video which saves my life;); indeed, my ejector broke, despite a suitable and careful use ... on the other hand here, in France, hard to have the parts! Thanks again anyway, great video!
Thanks! It's great to hear from my "brothers" in France. Good luck getting your rifle up and running again.
@@TargetSuite Vive l'amérique !
Muito obrigado por compartilhar seus conhecimentos. Saudações São Paulo/Brasil.
Você é bem vindo. Saudações da Louisiana
I had a 92 rossi for 15 years before i got up the gumption to figure out how to take the bolt out of the receiver. It was dirty in there, but the barrel was clean!
I bet it still worked just fine!
@@TargetSuite Youre absolutely right! All i did was keep the barrel brushed and oiled, and i oiled the part of the bolt that protruded from the rear of the reciever. Never had any issues, and i had shot a metric ton of black powder loads. When i finally got the bolt out, i had to use break parts cleaner to remove the build up in the bolt!
I bet it was pretty filthy after all that black powder!😄
Incredibly well done video sir, just discovered your channel and happily subscribed. Thank you for making such great content!
Thank you! Welcome aboard!
Excellent take-down video George. Yes sir, that rifle was filthy dirty lol. Glad you gotter all cleaned up lol.
Thanks for the kind words Max! I did have a little leading from some of my first cast bullet handloads but it scrubbed right out with some bronze wool. Several folks have mentioned the Model 94. So, I'll going to do another take down video with that rifle for next week. Then the wife and I are heading back to the farm for a few weeks.
@@TargetSuite give me a days notice so I can prepare. would love for yall to stop by for some coffee or soda.
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So the ejector plug pin has a shoulder that prevents it from being pushed too far through the breach block assembly. I wonder if you couldn't make a small "slave" pin, out of nylon or plastic, to hold the ejector assembly in the breach block, during reassembly. The slave could be undersized enough to allow it to be pushed through the hole in the right side of the receiver, as the plug pin is re-inserted, from the left. I don't have a 92 yet, so I'm not sure it'd work.
Turns out and empty case or "dummy round" does exactly what you were suggesting. One of my viewers pointed that out. Thanks!
A much appreciated video sir , thanks 👍
Thanks! I hope it helped some with their cleaning.
Very Nice Video. Thanks For Sharing.
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Thank you Sir I brought home my new Winchester 92 in 44 rem mag only last night. What i would very much like to know is from where came the raised support you used?
I made that rest to get my guns up off of the table.
I dream of having a gun like that !
It's a sweet one for sure!
Very nice video!
How would you compare this Japanese to the Brazilian Rossi? Quality, finish, etc? Thanks!
Thanks! The Japanese Winchesters are in a different league . . . and cost almost twice as much. On the outside, I was impressed with the Rossi R92 I made a video about. The fit and finish was very nice and much better than I expected. But I would use the word "fine" to describe the Japanese Winchester, inside and out. I wouldn't say that about the Rossi. One other thing about the Rossi R92, and this doesn't relate to quality, is that they all have 1:30 twist which limits the use of heavier bullets. So if someone is considering an 1892 style rifle and wants to shoot heavier than normal bullets, the Winchesters with their faster twist would be better.
I have theMiroku Winchester 52 sporter .22 A well made rifle indeed.
I'm looking to upgrade my bolt action 22 some day. How does that Miroku 52 shoot?
Target Suite very accurate
Thanks!
Have 2 1894's made in 1905 best winchesters ever made.
Wow, William! One would be a treasure. Two is . . . well, you are fortunate sir.
30. 30. And a 25. 35.
Sweet!
Thank you for this. Much appreciated. I would love to see you duplicate this video for Miroku 94.
@Hutehund Thank you! If I had access to a Miroku 1894 I would gladly make that video. But the channel budget has already been stretched to buy the 1892😉
@@TargetSuite If you do a '94 you will find it much more of a challenge.
@Rooster I just called a friend. He has a 90s vintage US made model 94 in 357 magnum. I'm going to pick that up tonight and start learning that rifle. I'll post a dis/reassembly video in the next few weeks.
That's why I like marlin...
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Well made video I’m just gonna share it
Wow! Thank you. I really appreciate that.
I saw that you shared this video. I just want to say again . . . Thanks!
@@TargetSuite That's how I found out about ya. Through Leverguns 50.
@Jeramy Thanks for joining.
Great video sir. Do you know if the Rossi 92 would be the same as far as disassembly and reassembly?
@Michael Keeling I posted a disassembly/reassembly video on the Rossi a couple of weeks ago. Here' a link to that video as well as the review
Review - ruclips.net/video/6Cuo-hKkp4g/видео.html
Teardown - ruclips.net/video/zkjP74rcR50/видео.html
@@TargetSuite well thanks, look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Winchester may have changed the hammer/main spring some where along the way. I don't know. But my original 1911 mfg 1892 has a leaf spring for its main spring rather than a coil spring. My 2 92 clones have a coil spring affair similar to yours. A little different because you have a tang safety. I prefer the coil spring. Your 92 seems to be well machined. Too bad it's not in 45 Colt😊
Oh, but David . . . my son bought a Miroku 1892 in 45 Colt at the same time I bought the 44 Mag! So, you'll get to see both on my channel. Do you have any other requests? Lol ! ! ! Thanks as always !
@@TargetSuite Yup-Inow your son bought one. I just had to put a plug in for the 45 Colt
Sorry David. I missed that one. I need to pay attention to who I am dealing with😄😄😄
I have a Rossi 92, comes apart like this. Only I use paperclips to retain the mainspring. Also I use a fired case to help maintain the bolt/ejector when putting back together. Makes it alot easier. And I am not near as nice to it. Only done this take down on it like 3 times since I owned it. The rest of the time in between shooting I just run a bore snake down it.
Wow Henry! That spent case trick sounds great. I'll have to try that. Thanks!
You've done a very good job, but I think I'll let the gunsmith take care of mine thorough cleaning every now and then.
Hi John. Unless you are shooting black powder, every now and then will work just fine on the 1892!
really like the buttplate on that 92 winchester. I want one for my 464 mossberg. it has a crappy piece of rubber that hangs up on your coat. They say the two have some similarities.
A lot of guys hate the crescent but plate. But for standing up shooting, I like this one and the one on my 1886.
This is very helpful. Is there any major difference when cleaning a Chiappa 1892?
Hi Tom. I don't think there is any difference between the assembly/disassembly process (at this level) for either the Miroku or Chiappa 1892s. Thanks for the comment!
Excellent. Could you do an uberti 1873?
Hi Ray. I would love to make that video, but I don't have access to a Uberti '73. Sorry.
Very good instructional video, but what strikes me is that reassembling the parts is rather difficult. When I disassemble and reassemble my Chiappa 1892 Sportingrifle (.45 Colt), it goes smoothly and without the "glitches" I see with the Miroku. While the system is the same. Any idea why that could be?
I just did an assembly video on the Rossi 1892. Probably not in the same league as your Chiappa, but the Rossi was harder to reassemble than the Miroku Winchester by far.
@@TargetSuite Although Chiappa and Rossi are related, Chiappa is clearly better in machining and tolerances in fitting! I like the Chiappa more because it is a correct clone of the original Winchester 1892, with which I am also familiar. That even with regard to the Miroku, which by the way has a high quality level. Chiappa is authentic and performs super on the shooting range.
I'll have to try and get my hands on one of those for a comparison.
@@TargetSuite George, that would be very special! I am also curious if there is a quality difference in export to the USA or the European market. Very interesting anyway. Most European models have South American hardwood instead of a wallnut stock as advertised. I am very curious about your findings, regards Paul
Looks like a small slave pin would hold things together then when you install your keeper pin it would be pushed out other side ie a tooth pick
That would work if the smaller pin had a good chamfer to "find" the small exit hole without damaging it.
Real nice rifle and great tips on disassembly and reassembly great job well done as usual.
Are these rifles from Japan very expensive?
$200-ish more than the Marlin 1894. But the difference in quality is more than that. And you get a 1:26" twist standard rifling instead of 1:38 twist micro-groove which opens the door to a lot more bullet choices. Thanks!
How do you like the Miroku Winchesters as opposed to the Marlins (JM or Remington)? Would love to have one of those but “settled” for a Remington made Marlin 1894 instead. The Miroku Winchesters appear to be nearly impossible to get your hands on these days where I’m from. I actually like to get my hands on something before I purchase it. (Too old school I guess.) Think I’m going to really like the Marlin once I finally get to take it out. The Marlins appear to be well made once again unlike the horror stories I saw from a few years ago.
That sure is a nice rifle you have there.
The Miroku Winchesters are "better" made and more finely finished, But the JM Marlin's I've owned and handled were very satisfying (after a few tweaks). I've always wondered if the "New Marlin" has worked out the kinks. I suspect so. And the vast majority of satisfied customers speaks to that. As for my Miroku Winchester, I have been waiting a long time for a new production, and at the same time watching the online auctions. I was very fortunate to land this one. Thanks for the comment Hank and let me know how you like your RemLin.
Target Suite took it to my Dad’s and tried it out this afternoon. Other than a jam of a 44 special semi wad cutter round partly in the magazine tube, partly out that I had to get a screwdriver and gently tap the rim of the cartridge to get it out, I absolutely love it so far. Cycles pretty smooth and shoots better than I can.
I suspect that I short stroked the lever and caused the jam. Otherwise, everything I put through it has worked fine.
That's great news Hank! I suspect you are going to get hours of satisfaction out of that Marlin! Congrats!
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Do you really have to take it apart to clean? If so, how many rounds would you recommend between cleaning? thx
Every rifle will benefit from the occasional "deep clean" and lube. But as long as it is not stiff or binding or had dirt get into the receiver I'd leave it alone for extended periods. How long that is is hard to nail down. Personally, I'm shooting for a deep clean once a year or every 1000 rounds or so. But I'm sure some will say that is too often, and others not frequent enough.
does the 1866 Winchester come apart like that one ? 1866 1966 centennial never been taking apart.
The 1866 is a totally different mechanism.
Can the tang safety be removed to mount a long range adjustable sight on the tang.
You really can't just remove the tang sight because the Miroku Winchesters do not have a half-cock safety.
I'd like to ask how accurate, and dependable was the Sharps Carbine used at Civil War's end?? Doc Mike USN
I have no knowledge of that firearm's accuracy or dependability. Maybe some of the other commenters will see your question.
Dumb question here from a Subscriber: My 1898 manufacture date Winchester 1892 needs a deep clean- Will this video work for my original for disassembly/ reassembly of my rifle?
I haven't disassembled an old one like yours, but I suspect the process will mostly be the same except for the hammer spring. It will probably be a leaf spring, not coil.
Hi George, awesome video of that 92 disassembly and reassembly. You explain everything to great extant and the trick of tiring the trigger back is great! Have you got any ideas for a aperture sight yet? With that Tang safety a Tang site is out. Thanks for all your hard work it's appreciated..
HI Terry. I'm still churning on the final solution, but I did order one of these to try out in the interim. It's really cheap and I don't know anyone who has ever used one. www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=53261&pid=105965
@@TargetSuite George that sight looks interesting. A peep inside of a ring. I may also get one and try it on my uberti 1873 Winchester. My old eyes hate the buckhorn site. Have a skinner peep on my Henry 22 on the receiver. Let me know what you think of it and I'll share my thoughts on it when I get mine.
Will do Terry. One thing that is not clear with that sight is how you manage elevation changes. Maybe there is a sight elevator that is just not shown. Yes, let's share thoughts. I'll post a few pics on Instagram when I get it. If you use Instagram you can message me directly there @targetsuite. If not, I'll make a note to come back to this comment thread. Or you can ping me in my next video comments.
@@TargetSuite WOW good point George forgot about elevation. I don't use instagram, but we'll figure it out. Surly there has to be some kind of elevation
Hi George just checked the spec's on that sight and said comes with elevator. So that's all good also if I remember right fits 3/8 dovetail
mighty fine video and I look forward to using it to disassemble my new 1892 in 45colt!
is that a color code on your screwdriver tips... great idea!
Thanks! Yep those are color codes for older rifles. Good to hear from you again!
So I’m looking to buy this rifle. Is this disassembly necessary after your average range trip or can I clean the majority of the barrel and action without disassembly?
Great question. Cleaning frequency is a personal thing but I only disassemble and deep clean/lube the action every few hundred rounds or every two or three months if I don't shoot a lot at each session.
Thanks for the response. I’m looking into this gun but am use to an old marlin which is very simple to breakdown. Just wondering if I could use a bore snake and a Otis cable for the barrel. Not sure what all I would need for the action.
last time I took apart my Winchester I lock tighted all the screws back in.
There are probably lots of vintage lever guns that have never been disassembled, but just rinsed out with "coal oil" and put away to dry.
@@TargetSuite My win is not vintage. it is a 1894 to 1994 centenary model trapper carbine with the big hoop. in 44 mag. Last time I shot it the mag tube came loose and other screws were also loosening up.
I just borrowed a Model 94 (domestic manufacture from 1982) from a friend and am working on a disassembly/reassembly video for that rifle. I hope to post that video next Tuesday. I also hope to shoot that rifle in the next week or so to see how it performs. Maybe I should put a sheet under me to catch the loose parts😄
Is The Miroku a faithful copy of the 1892, or is the design tweaked for modern manufacture?
Hi Chris. I don't have an original to compare to, but apart from the lawyer friendly changes made that I mentioned I believe it is functionally (faithfully) the same. Maybe someone can jump in who is intimate with both the originals and the modern ones.
There's a safety on the tang. The main spring is a coil now. I think there's at least one company that uses the leaf spring still but I forget. The body lines of the receiver are the same on these. The Rossi however used less body lines thus less machining time. Of course the steel is better than those old gals. Also, miroku uses a rebounding hammer. So no half cock, and that's a bummer.
And if you look at the exploded drawings on Numrich of the original and Miroku '92s, the major action components while not drop in compatible look to be functionally identical.
I just put my gun back togeter and every time I dry fire the gun with the trigger safety engaged it pushes the safety off. Can someone help please!
There is only a hammer block safety on these Miroku 1892's. My guess is that you didn't get it properly reconnected before reassembly. So, I would take the butt stock off and watch what happens when you operate the safety and when the hammer falls.
Do have a recommendation on a screwdriver bit set?
I use the Wheeler Engineering set www.midwayusa.com/product/1007363134 . It is from China so the tips are a little softer than I would like, but for the price, you get a lot.
Target Suite, that was the one i was looking at real hard and read the same thing. I saw winchester made a smaller kit so I figured Id see what you liked too before I made a decision. Thanks George. Oh by the way the new 1885 kicks like a mule, but its awesome
I can't remember if you told me . . . what caliber did you get? 45-70?
Target Suite yeah 45-70. Bought some cast performance 405gr flat nose from midway and followed hogdons reloading data on their website for lever guns. 46grains of H4198 was their starting load and its no joke, didnt take me long to make some trap door loads.😄
Haha! I've been trying to get my hands on some Trail Boss for those days when I don't want the 45-70 to be an "adventure".
I the 92 AE 44 TRAPPER. IS it the same procedure ?
I'm not familiar with an AE model of the 1892. Are you thinking about the 94 AE? If so, that is a different rifle design and I covered disassembly of that rifle here . . . ruclips.net/video/PfjTHHVDkxY/видео.html
@@TargetSuite sorry, watching before sleep. You are correct 94 AE TRAPPER. i must say, your videos are very informative, thank you.
wish i had an extra hand so i could give you three thumb's up...!
Thanks! I appreciate the one!
Eu sou brasileiro não entendo sua língua. Queria uma explicação dessa em português. Sera se era vc fazer para os brasileiros
Obrigado por assistir. Não sei traduzir para meus amigos brasileiros. Se eu conseguir descobrir isso, vou tentar.
It would be nice to speak with you directly as I'm not computer RUclips savvy. Your ordeal is something I just went through with my own 1892.
Can you elaborate on your "ordeal"? Was it getting the rifle broken down and put back together?
I love these old guns I really do..... but I wish they would breakdown like a modern rifle. Push a button and turn a lever and everything comes apart. Maybe someone will design such a thing.
I get your frustration. But that is part of the appeal of the old guns. That said, the Marlin 336/1895/Henry rifles kind of fall in that category as they are really easy to field strip, especially if you use one of the thumb screws from Ranger Point Precision for you lever screw.
@@TargetSuite Yeah Marlin did a great job with its easy field stripping but Winchester stole the show with sales I think.
I think you are right. I still have a vintage mid-century Marlin 336/35 Remington in my mental "shopping cart".
@@TargetSuite I have a Winchester 1892 made in 1910. 24" full octagon barrel full mag tube. It needs some work but the bluing is all there and it's gorgeous. It's in in 38-40 and I plan on relining it and using .40/10mm hollow points
That sounds like a great rifle to build on. Good luck with that project!
is that rest your using homemade
Hi David. Yes I made it to provide a stable platform for working on lever guns. Thanks!
For 1892 breach bolt appetite site call Skinner for long stem lo pro besidesinstallation hole mill firing pin for extra clearance. Like your channel. 27th George
If I understand your comment correctly, I've talked to Skinner and they didn't have any breach bolt mounted sight, but may develop one. What is your comment about milling the firing pin? Is that to give clearance for screws?
It would be nice to speak with you directly as I'm not computer RUclips savvy. Your ordeal is something I just went through with my own 1892.
@@TargetSuite Yes to clearance of screws but there is much more to it. How do I reach you for private chat, instead of using public comment.
The only private option is for you to message me on Instagram @targetsuite. Those messages are private.
@@TargetSuite OK. I just opened an instagram account and messaged you. Let me know if you got it.
Beautifully made and finished but, so complicated, and finicky to disassemble / reassemble compared to a Marlin.
Hi Chris. You are right. The Miroku Winchester 1892 is more complex than the Marlin 1894 design. It also stronger and has better fit and finish than any of the three 1894s I have owned. But that comes at a significant cost increase over the 1894. So I wouldn't say this 1892 is better that the Marlin 1894, which I love. It's just different. And I think being able to get breech access for cleaning by removing just one screw guarantees the Marlin 1894s continued dominance in the pistol caliber carbine market. Thanks for the comment as always!
Slave pin?
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Haha! The early bird!
Maybe or maybe frikin not could I live with my John Browning lever gun made in the house of the rising sun but that bloody tampon safety is a bridge too far!
Miroku has been making great "American" guns for decades now. And they built the Browning branded lever guns in the traditional way back in the 90's. But Import requirements have now forced them to incorporate a safety. Our Congress-men and women at work!
Another nice video George. I have a couple of articles on how to disassemble/reassemble the '92 and slick up the action. www.ktgunsmith.com/92dis.htm and www.ktgunsmith.com/92slick.htm
My Rossi has a different hammer strut because it doesn't have the tang safety, but pretty much everything is the same. Yes, that pesky ejector, ejector spring and collar can be fun to deal with, but it gets easier every time I do it. The '92 rifles are very popular for Cowboy Action Shooting. I was thinking about refinishing my Rossi '92 with a different painted finish, but the bluing is just too beautiful, so I converted it into a takedown rifle instead. www.ktgunsmith.com/92takedown.htm
I decided this is a rifle I will never part with because the rifle is historical and I like the action.
I really like the capture the trigger idea!
Thanks Roy. When the smoke clears I'll check out your articles.
Releasing pressure from the sear is really is helpful on the 1892. And with the 1886, it is almost a requirement.
I got mine for half price cause the idiot I bought it from didnt know the safety was on and thought it didnt work!!!!
This is a video of how not to reassemble a firearm.
Hi Robert. I'd love to hear your constructive thoughts on reassembling the 1892.
Crickets.... no surprise there. I’ll bet he drives from the backseat.
This isn't easy. Winchesters are complex
More complex than the Marlin design for sure. But the Miroku Winchesters sure are smooth . . . right out of the box! Thanks for the comment!
@@TargetSuite I have a Miruko Winchester 1886 Extra Lite. Also have several Miruko/Browning repros from the 1980's or 90's. The Browning are the model 71 and 71 deluxe and an 1886 montana commerative rifle. The Browning Miruko rifles don't have the tang safties and the fitment and finish on the older Browning rifles are superior to my winchester 1886. I wish I could try an miruko 1892 but I can't afford it yet, but I have some old original winchester and even the old 1895 rifle.
Aaron that is a great collection of classic and beautiful rifles. I tried to buy one of those Miroku Browning 1892s but not having a tang safety and rebounding hammer just wasn't worth an additional $400. So I "settled" on the Winchester version.
I know this is not going to be taken well but I think John Browning’s designs are way too complicated but I think he did that on purpose just my two cents.
Hi Craig. No argument here. They are complicated. The 1892 much less so than the 1886 but still more so than the Marlin lever guns. But the two Browning designs were both a product of their times and in the case of the 1886, an incredible breakthrough, over engineered for the powders of the 1880s yet capable of handling power levels today on par with the 458 Win Mag. Not necessarily needed, but still a tribute to JMB and exciting to see in action ruclips.net/video/AFLXjfiklnQ/видео.html
Easy to disassemble? Not really....a Henry or Marlin is far easier.
Haha! Easier relative to an 1886. But you are right about the Marlins and Henrys being a breeze.
Foreign import. Not made in America.
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Very nice video!
How would you compare this Japanese to the Brazilian Rossi? Quality, finish, etc? Thanks!
The Miroku (Japanese) Winchesters are in a different league when it comes to quality. The Rossi that I featured looked great but close inspection reveals a big difference. And on the inside, the contrast is even more stark. The Miroku Winchesters are very well made. And their price reflects it.